Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
semi-vegetarian lunch
54 views
Skip to first unread message
George Plimpton
Apr 15, 2013, 4:31:20 PM4/15/13
to
I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
product. I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
product. I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
casey
Apr 15, 2013, 4:41:43 PM4/15/13
to
On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>
> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> experience life" in order to make this product.
Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>
> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> experience life" in order to make this product.
have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
treated kindly and are given a good if short life. The reality is
that animals eat each other to live.
> I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>
George Plimpton
Apr 15, 2013, 4:51:36 PM4/15/13
to
On 4/15/2013 1:41 PM, casey wrote:
> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>
>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>
> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> have had a life to begin with.
Correct. But if we didn't and they never existed, that wouldn't mean
> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>
>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>
> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> have had a life to begin with.
anything. If the entire world became vegetarian and the demand for cows
and chickens and other meat-yielding livestock went to zero, and so no
more of them were bred, it is not as if the animal lives would be
"missing" from any ethical calculation. Livestock animals aren't bred
into existence because anyone thinks it's ethically good for animals to
exist and "get to experience life"; they're bred into existence only so
they can be consumed by humans.
> The important thing is they are
> treated kindly and are given a good if short life. The reality is
> that animals eat each other to live.
not breed animals into existence in order to satisfy an innate need to
worry about the welfare of others.
casey
Apr 15, 2013, 5:57:24 PM4/15/13
to
coming from and take your point.
Virgil
Apr 15, 2013, 7:15:17 PM4/15/13
to
In article
<2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
--
<2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> > I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> > yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> > good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> > rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
> >
> > Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> > experience life" in order to make this product.
>
> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
> treated kindly and are given a good if short life. The reality is
> that animals eat each other to live.
Eat each other? Some animals eat other animals, but eat each other?
> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> > I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> > yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> > good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> > rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
> >
> > Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> > experience life" in order to make this product.
>
> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
> treated kindly and are given a good if short life. The reality is
> that animals eat each other to live.
--
BruceS
Apr 15, 2013, 7:28:15 PM4/15/13
to
HTH. Of course, there are animals that eat other animals of the same
species. Very few animals eat themselves, so it's unclear why you're
(apparently) surprised at the idea of animals eating each other. Aside
from pure vegetarians, it's the way of the world---the beautiful cycle
of life.
casey
Apr 15, 2013, 8:04:32 PM4/15/13
to
On Apr 16, 9:15 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1-b384-dd71619e8...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
There are good evolutionary reasons why species avoid eating
their own kind but it does happen. It isn't however what I was
thinking of when I wrote animals eat other animals. A better
wording would have been animals eat other animals.
Of course the molecules that make up our body have been
recycled many many times so you are made up of molecules
that have been part of creatures all the way back to the
start including humans.
> In article
> <2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1-b384-dd71619e8...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
their own kind but it does happen. It isn't however what I was
thinking of when I wrote animals eat other animals. A better
wording would have been animals eat other animals.
Of course the molecules that make up our body have been
recycled many many times so you are made up of molecules
that have been part of creatures all the way back to the
start including humans.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 15, 2013, 11:43:11 PM4/15/13
to
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
?WTF are you on about now?
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
All the animals in the food chain,
including you and your gut bugs,
"got to experience life".
Dhu
> product. I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>
> https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 1:46:03 AM4/16/13
to
On 4/15/2013 8:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>
> ?WTF are you on about now?
Just trying to find a way to cause you to lose a few synapses. Looks
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>
> ?WTF are you on about now?
like it worked.
> All the animals in the food chain,
> including you and your gut bugs,
> "got to experience life".
Mr.Smartypants
Apr 16, 2013, 1:58:27 AM4/16/13
to
RedAcer
Apr 16, 2013, 3:14:50 AM4/16/13
to
On 15/04/13 21:31, George Plimpton wrote:
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
> product
The people who made the product got to experience life?
> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
> product
> I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>
> https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
>
Dhu on Gate
Apr 16, 2013, 3:54:16 AM4/16/13
to
Dhu
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 11:26:21 AM4/16/13
to
On 4/16/2013 12:14 AM, RedAcer wrote:
> On 15/04/13 21:31, George Plimpton wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product
>
> The people who made the product got to experience life?
Of course! But that wasn't a "benefit" to them, compared with never
> On 15/04/13 21:31, George Plimpton wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product
>
> The people who made the product got to experience life?
existing.
>
>> I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
>> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>>
>> https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
>>
>
> That's all a very convoluted way to say that you're are not a vegetarian.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 11:27:17 AM4/16/13
to
claim to have no interest.
Mr.Smartypants
Apr 16, 2013, 11:52:31 AM4/16/13
to
dh
Apr 16, 2013, 5:01:33 PM4/16/13
to
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:57:24 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Apr 16, 6:51�am, Goo wrote:
>> On 4/15/2013 1:41 PM, casey wrote:
>>
What Goo does is try to encourage people to accept the elimination
objective. One of the ways Goo does that is by maniacally insisting that nothing
has ever benefitted from living. Do you take that point too?
>> >> � I don't really care about that. �I imagine a few animals died
>On Apr 16, 6:51�am, Goo wrote:
>> On 4/15/2013 1:41 PM, casey wrote:
>>
objective. One of the ways Goo does that is by maniacally insisting that nothing
has ever benefitted from living. Do you take that point too?
>> >> � I don't really care about that. �I imagine a few animals died
dh
Apr 16, 2013, 5:01:45 PM4/16/13
to
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:43:11 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>
>?WTF are you on about now?
For over a decade Goo has been maniacally opposing the suggestion that the
lives of domestic animals be given as much or more consideration than their
deaths. This time he appears to be boasting that his lunch didn't contribute to
life for any domestic animals but only to the deaths of wildlife.
Eliminationists should be proud of that, but some seem to be ashamed of it. Some
dishonestly want to pretend that even though they go out of their way to NOT
contribute to life for domestic animals, their lifestyle still helps them in
some way. It's contemptible really, that they want to boast of NOT contributing
to their lives in any way out one side of their mouth, and want to take credit
for contributing to something better for them out the other. I saw one woman who
actually was trying to estimate how many chickens and cattle etc she "saved"
during her time as some sort of veg*n. That sort of thing is either horribly
stupid or horribly dishonest, or some mixture of both.
>All the animals in the food chain,
>including you and your gut bugs,
>"got to experience life".
People like Goo are desperate that people in general don't learn to
appreciate that aspect, but it certainly IS a basic foundation of human
influence on animals that should be given as much or more consideration as the
animals' deaths. Those type people don't want it taken into consideration
because and ONLY because doing so works AGAINST the elimination objective. ONLY
eliminationists have good reason to oppose considering the lives of domestic
animals.
Also. People like Goo who claim that nothing has ever benefitted from its
life are in the extremely ignorant and stupid position of necessarily not being
able to distinguish between those that do benefit and those that do not. How
much more stupid and clueless could people be than that?
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>
>?WTF are you on about now?
lives of domestic animals be given as much or more consideration than their
deaths. This time he appears to be boasting that his lunch didn't contribute to
life for any domestic animals but only to the deaths of wildlife.
Eliminationists should be proud of that, but some seem to be ashamed of it. Some
dishonestly want to pretend that even though they go out of their way to NOT
contribute to life for domestic animals, their lifestyle still helps them in
some way. It's contemptible really, that they want to boast of NOT contributing
to their lives in any way out one side of their mouth, and want to take credit
for contributing to something better for them out the other. I saw one woman who
actually was trying to estimate how many chickens and cattle etc she "saved"
during her time as some sort of veg*n. That sort of thing is either horribly
stupid or horribly dishonest, or some mixture of both.
>All the animals in the food chain,
>including you and your gut bugs,
>"got to experience life".
appreciate that aspect, but it certainly IS a basic foundation of human
influence on animals that should be given as much or more consideration as the
animals' deaths. Those type people don't want it taken into consideration
because and ONLY because doing so works AGAINST the elimination objective. ONLY
eliminationists have good reason to oppose considering the lives of domestic
animals.
Also. People like Goo who claim that nothing has ever benefitted from its
life are in the extremely ignorant and stupid position of necessarily not being
able to distinguish between those that do benefit and those that do not. How
much more stupid and clueless could people be than that?
dh
Apr 16, 2013, 5:01:54 PM4/16/13
to
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:14:50 +0100, RedAcer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>On 15/04/13 21:31, Goo wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product
>
>The people who made the product got to experience life?
Goo's boasting that he didn't contribute to life for any domestic animals.
Why is Goo proud of that? ONLY eliminationists have reason to be proud of not
contributing to life for any domestic animals but only to the deaths of
wildlife, as Goo clearly appears to be.
>> I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
>> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>>
>> https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
>>
>
>That's all a very convoluted way to say that you're are not a vegetarian.
From my pov it's most likely that the Goober IS some sort of veg*n but he
lies about it in an attempt not to lose the respect of people who disrespect
veg*nism and the elimination objective. Though Goo dishonestly imo claims to
favor decent animal welfare over elimination, eliminationists agree with Goo and
Goo agrees with himself about all of his following quotes:
"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
"Life "justifying" death is the
stupidest goddamned thing you ever wrote." - Goo
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
""appreciation for decent AW" doesn't *MEAN* anything" - Goo
"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
to experience life" - Goo
"Shut the fuck up about "consideration" for "their lives"" - Goo
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths" - Goo
"It is not "better" for the animals to experience a good life than
never to live at all." - Goo
""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
"Rights are not given. Rights exist." - Goo
>On 15/04/13 21:31, Goo wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product
>
>The people who made the product got to experience life?
Why is Goo proud of that? ONLY eliminationists have reason to be proud of not
contributing to life for any domestic animals but only to the deaths of
wildlife, as Goo clearly appears to be.
>> I don't really care about that. I imagine a few animals died
>> growing the black beans and corn, but I don't care about that, either.
>>
>> https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/chipotle-black-bean-burger
>>
>
>That's all a very convoluted way to say that you're are not a vegetarian.
lies about it in an attempt not to lose the respect of people who disrespect
veg*nism and the elimination objective. Though Goo dishonestly imo claims to
favor decent animal welfare over elimination, eliminationists agree with Goo and
Goo agrees with himself about all of his following quotes:
"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
"Life "justifying" death is the
stupidest goddamned thing you ever wrote." - Goo
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
""appreciation for decent AW" doesn't *MEAN* anything" - Goo
"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
to experience life" - Goo
"Shut the fuck up about "consideration" for "their lives"" - Goo
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths" - Goo
"It is not "better" for the animals to experience a good life than
never to live at all." - Goo
""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
"Rights are not given. Rights exist." - Goo
dh
Apr 16, 2013, 5:04:41 PM4/16/13
to
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>
>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>
>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
much or more consideration than their deaths, but eliminationists are opposed to
people taking them into consideration because doing so works against what they
want to accomplish. To people like Goo the quality of life doesn't matter in the
least. To them it's just as wrong to give an animal a good life that it enjoys
as it is to cause an animal to endure a life of suffering. They can appreciate
no distinction between lives of positive and negative value, which is something
most people have no problem thinking about and we discussed regarding slavery in
America back when I was in grade school. That very significant aspect of human
influence on animals means nothing at all to people like Goo:
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
its quality of live" - Goo
"A life - *any* life of *any* quality - is not a "benefit" to an animal
versus never existing" - Goo
>The reality is
>that animals eat each other to live.
� Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:
tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings
The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. �
>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>
>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>
>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
much or more consideration than their deaths, but eliminationists are opposed to
people taking them into consideration because doing so works against what they
want to accomplish. To people like Goo the quality of life doesn't matter in the
least. To them it's just as wrong to give an animal a good life that it enjoys
as it is to cause an animal to endure a life of suffering. They can appreciate
no distinction between lives of positive and negative value, which is something
most people have no problem thinking about and we discussed regarding slavery in
America back when I was in grade school. That very significant aspect of human
influence on animals means nothing at all to people like Goo:
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
its quality of live" - Goo
"A life - *any* life of *any* quality - is not a "benefit" to an animal
versus never existing" - Goo
>The reality is
>that animals eat each other to live.
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:
tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings
The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. �
dh
Apr 16, 2013, 5:06:15 PM4/16/13
to
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>rice,
The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>rice,
entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>egg whites
That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
raised for food, Goo.
>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>product. I don't really care about that.
we know it, Goo.
>I imagine a few animals died
>growing the black beans and corn,
>but I don't care about that, either.
to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 5:23:02 PM4/16/13
to
On 4/16/2013 2:01 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/15/2013 2:57 PM, casey wrote:
> What Professor Plimpton does is try to encourage people to accept the elimination
> objective.
No - there is no such objective.
> One of the ways Professor Plimpton does that is by maniacally insisting that nothing
compared with never existing. Existence is not a benefit - it *cannot* be.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/15/2013 2:57 PM, casey wrote:
> objective.
No - there is no such objective.
> One of the ways Professor Plimpton does that is by maniacally insisting that nothing
> has ever benefitted from living.
Nothing ever did benefit from existing or "getting to experience life",
compared with never existing. Existence is not a benefit - it *cannot* be.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 5:28:17 PM4/16/13
to
On 4/16/2013 2:01 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:43:11 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>
>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>
> For over a decade Professor Plimpton has been maniacally opposing the suggestion that the
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 03:43:11 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>
>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>
> lives of domestic animals be given as much or more consideration than their
> deaths.
Yes, because 1) their "getting to experience life" has no meaning, to
> deaths.
them or to any thinking person, and 2) their deaths *do* matter to people.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 5:30:27 PM4/16/13
to
On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>
>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>
>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>
> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
> much or more consideration than their deaths
That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>
>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>
>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>
> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
> much or more consideration than their deaths
reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
George Plimpton
Apr 16, 2013, 5:39:26 PM4/16/13
to
On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
2. Prove it
>
>> egg whites
>
> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
You don't know anything about egg production.
>
>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product. I don't really care about that.
>
> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals
There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and "get to
experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
intelligent person gives it any.
>
>> I imagine a few animals died
>> growing the black beans and corn,
>
> And even more for the rice
Prove it.
>> but I don't care about that, either.
>
> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
> to decent life for beef cattle
No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
including you.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice,
>
> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than
1. Irrelevant
>
>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>> rice,
>
> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than
2. Prove it
>
>> egg whites
>
> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>
>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>> product. I don't really care about that.
>
> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals
experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
intelligent person gives it any.
>
>> I imagine a few animals died
>> growing the black beans and corn,
>
> And even more for the rice
>> but I don't care about that, either.
>
> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
> to decent life for beef cattle
including you.
dh
Apr 17, 2013, 4:07:09 PM4/17/13
to
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:54:16 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:46:03 -0700, Goo wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2013 8:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
livestock animals experience lives which are of positive value to them, because
and ONLY because doing so works against the objective to eliminate all domestic
animals.
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:46:03 -0700, Goo wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2013 8:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>
>>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>>
>> Just trying to find a way to cause you to lose a few synapses. Looks
>> like it worked.
>>
>>
>>> All the animals in the food chain,
>>> including you and your gut bugs,
>>> "got to experience life".
>>
>> Meaningless.
>
>Rite. Then stop wasting my oxygen, asswad.
People like Goo are desperate that people in general not appreciate it when
>>>
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>
>>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>>
>> Just trying to find a way to cause you to lose a few synapses. Looks
>> like it worked.
>>
>>
>>> All the animals in the food chain,
>>> including you and your gut bugs,
>>> "got to experience life".
>>
>> Meaningless.
>
>Rite. Then stop wasting my oxygen, asswad.
livestock animals experience lives which are of positive value to them, because
and ONLY because doing so works against the objective to eliminate all domestic
animals.
dh
Apr 17, 2013, 4:07:26 PM4/17/13
to
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>
>
>Prove it.
The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>
>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>rice,
>>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>rice,
>>
>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>
>>>egg whites
>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>
>>
>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>raised for food, Goo.
>
>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>raised for food, Goo.
>
>You don't know anything about egg production.
I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
raised for food, Goo.
raised for food, Goo.
>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>
>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>
>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>we know it, Goo.
>>
>>we know it, Goo.
>>
>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>
>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>
>
>Prove it.
The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>
>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>
>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>including you.
Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>including you.
dh
Apr 17, 2013, 4:08:32 PM4/17/13
to
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:30:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>
>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>
>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>
>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>>much or more consideration than their deaths,
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>
>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>
>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>
>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>
>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation of the
>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 17, 2013, 4:31:10 PM4/17/13
to
to 4 generations regardless of what they start out looking like. In Moscow they
have thicker yellow fur than in Ho Chi Min City. Pretty much all our domestics
will do the same.
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 17, 2013, 5:03:41 PM4/17/13
to
On 4/17/2013 1:31 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:09 -0400, dh wrote:
>
--
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:09 -0400, dh wrote:
>
=====================================================================
SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT GROUPS / COUNTRY
=====================================================================
George Plimpton
Apr 17, 2013, 7:45:20 PM4/17/13
to
On 4/17/2013 1:08 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
*Goo*.
Fact: it isn't.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/16/2013 2:30 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey
>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>> Costco
>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>
>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>
>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>> given as
>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>
>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>> Costco
>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>
>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>
>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>> given as
>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>
>> That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>
> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
No. Nothing is missing from the "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say
>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>
> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
*Goo*.
Fact: it isn't.
George Plimpton
Apr 17, 2013, 7:45:21 PM4/17/13
to
On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>
>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>
>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>
>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
Prove it.
>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>
>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>> animals
>>
care.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice,
>>>
>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than
>>
>>>
>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>> rice,
>>>
>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than
>>
>> 1. Irrelevant
>> 2. Prove it
>>
>>
>>>
>> 2. Prove it
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> egg whites
>>>
>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>
>>>
>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>
>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>
> I know enough to
You don't know anything about it.
>
> I know enough to
>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>
>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>
>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>
>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>
>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>> animals
>>
>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and "get to
>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>
>>
>>>
>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>
>>> And even more for the rice
>>
>> Prove it.
>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>
>>> And even more for the rice
>>
>>
>>
>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>
>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>> contributed
>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>
>>
>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>
>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>> contributed
>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>
>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>> including you.
>
> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>> including you.
>
> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
care.
dh
Apr 21, 2013, 8:16:08 PM4/21/13
to
is the fact that PeTA kills more than half the dogs and cats it takes in, it
does NOT turn them loose to begin happy wild populations. And for another thing
what happens to wild dogs, wild frogs or wild hogs doesn't have anything at all
to do with the value of life to domestic animals raised by humans.
dh
Apr 21, 2013, 8:16:15 PM4/21/13
to
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>
>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>
>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
there... Goo.
>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>
>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>rice,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>rice,
>>>>
>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>
>>>>>egg whites
>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>
>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>
>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>
>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>
>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>raised for food, Goo.
>
>>raised for food, Goo.
>
>You don't know anything about it.
Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>
>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>
>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>
>Prove it.
>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>
Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
there... Goo.
>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>
>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>
>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>including you.
>>
>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>including you.
>>
>
>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>care.
If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>care.
to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
dh
Apr 21, 2013, 8:17:42 PM4/21/13
to
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:30:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
consider both sides of it, to get a realistic interpretation of human influence
on animals you must consider both the deaths and lives of domestic animals, Goo.
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:30:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>
>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>>>>much or more consideration than their deaths,
>>>>
>>>>>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>
>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>>>
>>>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>
>>>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>
>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation of the
>>situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
>>elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
>
>>situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
>>elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
>
>No. Nothing is missing from the "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say
>*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
Just as in order to get a realistic interpretation of a coin you must
>*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
consider both sides of it, to get a realistic interpretation of human influence
on animals you must consider both the deaths and lives of domestic animals, Goo.
George Plimpton
Apr 22, 2013, 12:48:04 AM4/22/13
to
On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>
>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>> than
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>
>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>> than
>>>>
>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>
>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>>>
>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>
>>> I know enough to
>>
>>>
>>> I know enough to
>>
>> You don't know anything about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>> animals and
>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>
>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>
>> Prove it.
>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>> animals and
>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>
>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>> animals
>>>>
>>
>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>> animals
>>>>
>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and "get to
>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>
>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>
>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>>>> contributed
>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>>>> contributed
>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>
>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>> including you.
>>>
>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>
>>>> including you.
>>>
>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>
>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>> care.
>
> If they want them to continue living then
"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>> care.
>
> If they want them to continue living then
George Plimpton
Apr 22, 2013, 12:52:09 AM4/22/13
to
On 4/21/2013 5:17 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
Nothing is "missing" "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say *WHY* a
"consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything, *Goo*.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/17/2013 1:08 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2013 2:30 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>> On 4/17/2013 1:08 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2013 2:30 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey
>>>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>>>> given as
>>>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>>>
>>>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>>>> given as
>>>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>>>
>>>> That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>
>>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
>>
>>>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>
>>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
>>
>> No. Nothing is missing from the "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say
>> *WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>> *WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>> *Goo*.
>>
>> Fact: it isn't.
>
> Just as
>>
>> Fact: it isn't.
>
Nothing is "missing" "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say *WHY* a
"consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything, *Goo*.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 22, 2013, 6:48:17 AM4/22/13
to
to their natural way. And I strongly disagree that there is some fundamental
difference between the existence of domestic vs. wild animals.
M Purcell
Apr 22, 2013, 9:46:41 PM4/22/13
to
On Apr 22, 3:48 am, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:08 -0400, dh wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:08 -0400, dh wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:31:10 GMT, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:09 -0400, dh wrote:
>
>
> >>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:09 -0400, dh wrote:
>
controlled by humans, and they have much more freedom. Domesticated
animals are not natural.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 23, 2013, 3:32:13 AM4/23/13
to
that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". The same argument was used to mistreat
the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. Besides which happy pigs
grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 23, 2013, 5:30:35 AM4/23/13
to
In article <1Oqdt.12358$lp.1...@newsfe22.iad>,
It definitely does not.
Different diets mean different-smelling shit.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Different diets mean different-smelling shit.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
M Purcell
Apr 23, 2013, 8:33:38 AM4/23/13
to
humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
natural?
Dhu on Gate
Apr 23, 2013, 8:35:27 AM4/23/13
to
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 23, 2013, 3:52:09 PM4/23/13
to
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 23, 2013, 3:52:41 PM4/23/13
to
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 23, 2013, 3:53:10 PM4/23/13
to
dh
Apr 23, 2013, 4:25:06 PM4/23/13
to
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>egg whites
>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>
>>>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>
>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>
>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>
>>>You don't know anything about it.
>>
>>
>> Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>
>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>
>>>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>
>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>there... Goo.
>>
>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>there... Goo.
>>
>>>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>
>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>including you.
>>>>
>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>including you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>care.
>>
>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>care.
>>
>> If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>
>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>
>"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed, Goo?
dh
Apr 23, 2013, 4:25:18 PM4/23/13
to
different than pig shit. All of them smell different that dog shit. I've never
smelled bear shit but I'm certain there are people who recognise the smell of
it.
dh
Apr 23, 2013, 4:25:28 PM4/23/13
to
and egg which unite to begin the life. If a different sperm hit the egg, a
different being would be born. That being the case, afawk, EVERY animal that's
born because of human influence is a result of that influence. That's true of
wildlife but in case you can't appreciate it at all we should consider first
domestic animals and see if you can ever learn to appreciate that. NO domestic
animals that have ever lived or ever will live would exist if humans hadn't had
influence on the mating of their parents. Can you get that far?
dh
Apr 23, 2013, 4:25:36 PM4/23/13
to
animals or negative value to them the same as with humans, and that value can
and does change during the course of life. But the main significant difference
is that none of the animals raised by humans, for whatever reason, would exist
at all if they were not. Animals are not being cheated out of any life by being
raised for food, but instead are experiencing whatever life they do be it good
or bad because of it.
dh
Apr 23, 2013, 4:25:45 PM4/23/13
to
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:17:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:30:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing out on a
more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:17:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:08:32 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:30:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:04:41 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>>>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>>>>>>much or more consideration than their deaths,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Apr 16, 6:31�am, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. �They were pretty
>>>>>>>> good. �They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>�Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>>>have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>>>treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be given as
>>>>>
>>>>>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>>>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>>
>>>>>That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>>>reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>>
>>>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation of the
>>>>situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
>>>>elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
>>>
>>>>situation than a person could get by only considering things that favor
>>>>elimination as you people want to do, Goo.
>>>
>>>No. Nothing is missing from the "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say
>>>*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>>
>>>*WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>>
>> Just as in order to get a realistic interpretation of a coin you must
>>consider both sides of it, to get a realistic interpretation of human influence
>>on animals you must consider both the deaths and lives of domestic animals, Goo.
>
>Nothing is "missing" "interpretation"
>>consider both sides of it, to get a realistic interpretation of human influence
>>on animals you must consider both the deaths and lives of domestic animals, Goo.
>
By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing out on a
more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
George Plimpton
Apr 23, 2013, 4:50:14 PM4/23/13
to
On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything, *Goo*.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/21/2013 9:52 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/21/2013 5:17 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:08 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:30 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>> On 4/21/2013 5:17 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:08 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:30 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:04 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), casey
>>>>>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>>>>>> given as
>>>>>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
>>>>>>>>> experience life" in order to make this product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
>>>>>>>> have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
>>>>>>>> treated kindly and are given a good if short life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lives of animals raised for food should certainly always be
>>>>>>> given as
>>>>>>> much or more consideration than their deaths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what you keep shrieking, but you've never been able to give a
>>>>>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
>>>>
>>>>>> reason *why*. That's because you don't have a valid reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> One valid reason is to develop a more complete interpretation
>>>>
>>>> No. Nothing is missing from the "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say
>>>> *WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>>>> *WHY* a "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything,
>>>> *Goo*.
>>>>
>>>> Fact: it isn't.
>>>
>>> Just as
>>
>> Nothing is "missing" "interpretation", *Goo*. You can't say *WHY* a
>>>>
>>>> Fact: it isn't.
>>>
>>> Just as
>>
>> "consideration" for the animals' lives is needed for anything, *Goo*.
>
> By ONLY considering things that
Nothing is missing from the ethical consideration, *Goo*.
> By ONLY considering things that
George Plimpton
Apr 23, 2013, 4:50:15 PM4/23/13
to
On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/21/2013 9:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>
>>>> You don't know anything about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and "get to
>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have
>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life",
>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>
>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>
>>>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>> care.
>>>
>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>
>>>> care.
>>>
>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>
>> "vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>
> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
No. They have no reason to want livestock to continue to be bred into
>
> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
Dutch
Apr 23, 2013, 4:58:47 PM4/23/13
to
<dh@.> wrote
> The lives of both wild and domestic animals can be of positive value to
> the
> animals or negative value to them the same as with humans, and that value
> can
> and does change during the course of life. But the main significant
> difference
> is that none of the animals raised by humans, for whatever reason, would
> exist
> at all if they were not.
So when you talk about "providing life" for livestock animals you mean their
existence, glad we finally have that cleared up. That's the end of that
equivocation once and for all.
> Animals are not being cheated out of any life by being
> raised for food, but instead are experiencing whatever life they do be it
> good
> or bad because of it.
Animals are not being cheated out of life by NOT being raised for food
either.
> The lives of both wild and domestic animals can be of positive value to
> the
> animals or negative value to them the same as with humans, and that value
> can
> and does change during the course of life. But the main significant
> difference
> is that none of the animals raised by humans, for whatever reason, would
> exist
> at all if they were not.
existence, glad we finally have that cleared up. That's the end of that
equivocation once and for all.
> Animals are not being cheated out of any life by being
> raised for food, but instead are experiencing whatever life they do be it
> good
> or bad because of it.
either.
Dutch
Apr 23, 2013, 5:01:55 PM4/23/13
to
<dh@.> wrote
nonsense to oppose "elimination".
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing out
> on a
> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
We're not missing out on anything. You make up unnecessary, irrelevant
> on a
> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
nonsense to oppose "elimination".
George Plimpton
Apr 23, 2013, 5:22:59 PM4/23/13
to
On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:08 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:09 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:54:16 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:46:03 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2013 8:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 07:54:16 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:46:03 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2013 8:43 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just trying to find a way to cause you to lose a few synapses. Looks
>>>>>>> like it worked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the animals in the food chain,
>>>>>>>> including you and your gut bugs,
>>>>>>>> "got to experience life".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rite. Then stop wasting my oxygen, asswad.
>>>>>
>>>>> People like
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>> rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?WTF are you on about now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just trying to find a way to cause you to lose a few synapses. Looks
>>>>>>> like it worked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the animals in the food chain,
>>>>>>>> including you and your gut bugs,
>>>>>>>> "got to experience life".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rite. Then stop wasting my oxygen, asswad.
>>>>>
>>>>> People like
>>>>
>>>> Dogs, when left alone, will selectively breed themselves into yellow dingoes in 3
>>>> to 4 generations regardless of what they start out looking like. In Moscow they
>>>> have thicker yellow fur than in Ho Chi Min City. Pretty much all our domestics
>>>> will do the same.
>>>
>>> For one thing that wouldn't happen, and
>>
>>>> to 4 generations regardless of what they start out looking like. In Moscow they
>>>> have thicker yellow fur than in Ho Chi Min City. Pretty much all our domestics
>>>> will do the same.
>>>
>>> For one thing that wouldn't happen, and
>>
>> PeTA is an Americanski affectation. In most of the Wierld things operate according
>> to their natural way. And I strongly disagree that there is some fundamental
>> difference between the existence of domestic vs. wild animals.
>>
>> Dhu
>
> The lives of both wild and domestic animals can be of positive value to the
> animals or negative value to them
Meaningless gibberish.
>> to their natural way. And I strongly disagree that there is some fundamental
>> difference between the existence of domestic vs. wild animals.
>>
>> Dhu
>
> The lives of both wild and domestic animals can be of positive value to the
> animals or negative value to them
Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit compared
with never existing.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 24, 2013, 1:33:42 AM4/24/13
to
M Purcell
Apr 24, 2013, 8:00:53 AM4/24/13
to
Uncle Steve
Apr 24, 2013, 9:22:22 AM4/24/13
to
idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it
flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
-- Friedrich Neitzsche
dh
Apr 24, 2013, 3:11:45 PM4/24/13
to
eliminationist whacko terrorism:
_________________________________________________________
April 4, 2005 Burton, UK:
In letters to the media, a group calling itself the Animal Rights Militia
offered to return “one-sixth” of the remains of the 82 year old
mother-in-law of a part-owner of Darley Oakes Farm, which raises guinea
pigs for biomedical research. The woman’s body was stolen from her grave
in October. . .
February 19, 2005 Chino Hills, CA:
Animal rights activists vandalized the home of the chief veterinarian for the
city of Los Angeles. They threw rocks through windows, and left behind fliers
with the veterinarian’s photo, accusing her of animal cruelty. ALF is
suspected in this incident as well as prior threats against the veterinarian
and other employees of the LA City Animal Shelter.
January 12, 2005 Auburn, CA:
Five incendiary devices were found in an office building under construction.
Devices of the same type were discovered in an upscale subdivision in near-by
Lincoln on December 27. Official stated the firebombs were capable of extensive
damage. Graffiti found on the Lincoln homes included “U will pay” and “Enjoy the
world as it is - as long as you can.” In a letter sent to the Auburn Journal on
January 18, ELF claimed responsibility, and warned of more terrorist attempts to
come - "We are setting a new precedent, where there will be at least one or more
actions every few weeks," it read. The Joint Terrorism Task Force is
investigating.
September 5, 2004: East Peckham, England: Animal Rights activists vowed
to launch ten "terror attacks" a night across Britain. An ALF spokesman at
a "training camp" for AR activists to learn "direct action" said "Ten attacks
a night would be an absolute minimum "Think of the number of butcher
shops: at least a couple of windows are already being broken every night
and then you have people spraying graffiti on cars to those targeting
employees of Huntingdon Life Sciences." There have been reports of at
least six serious incidents in the last ten days, including attacks on cars
and other property of people connection with GlaxoSmithKline, HLS, and
a farm raising guinea pigs for research.
August 11, 2002:
Arson by the ELF caused $700,000 worth of damage at a Forest Service lab
in Irvine, PA, and destroyed 70 years of research focused on maintaining a
healthy forest ecosystem. An e-mail from Elf's office said "While innocent
life will never be harmed in any action we undertake, where it is necessary,
we will no longer hesitate to pick up the gun to implement justice, and
provide the needed protection for our planet that decades of legal battles,
pleading protest, and economic sabotage have failed so drastically to
achieve." It further stated that all Forest Service stations were targeted,
and, if rebuilt, the Pennsylvania station would be targeted for complete
destruction.
September 21, 2001 UK:
Ashley Broadley Glynn Harding, the mail bomber
who sent 15 letter bombs to animal-related businesses and individuals over
a three-month period last winter, was sentenced to indefinite detention in
mental hospital. Additional court ordered restrictions mean that Harding will
not be released until the Home Secretary is satisfied that he poses no risk to
the public. The bomber's mail terror campaign injured two adults and one
child, one woman lost her left eye, the child scarred for life. At trial,
evidence
indicated that he had intended to mail as many as 100 letter bombs.
August 16, 2001 UK:
One of the three men who assaulted Brian Cass, managing director of
Huntingdon Life Sciences, at his home, received a sentence of three years in
jail for his part in the attack. David Blenkinsop and two others donned ski
masks and ambushed Cass as he arrived home, bludgeoning him with wooden
staves and pickaxe handles. DNA on the handles and Blenkinsop’s clothing
helped convict him of the offense.
June 12, 2001 MO:
A 30-year-old animal rights activist attacked a
"Survivor" series cast member at a workplace safety promotion, pepper
spraying him in the face and hitting several onlookers, including children, as
well. Police arrested the attacker. Michael Skupin, who lasted six weeks on
"Survivor," attributed the attack to his killing of a pig for food on the
series.
May 31, 2001 Canada:
In a raid late this month, Toronto police arrested
two men and put out an appeal for apprehension of a third in connection
with animal cruelty charges stemming from the videotaped skinning of live
animals. The video showed a cat being tortured and killed allegedly by a
self-styled artist and vegan protesting animal cruelty. Anthony Ryan
Wenneker, 24, and Jessie Champlain Powers, 21 were arrested. The raid
turned up a headless, skinned cat in the refrigerator, along with other
animal skeletons, including a dog, some mice and rats, and the videos.
Police are searching for the third person seen in the videos.
May 23, 2001 UK:
Three men, ages 34, 31 and 34, were arrested for the
attack on Brian Cass, Director of Huntingdon Life Sciences. The baseball bat
brandishing attackers split Cass' scalp and bruised him and sprayed a
would-be rescuer with CS gas on February 22, 2001. One of the men was
arrested at an animal sanctuary run by TV script writer Carla Lane.
May 9, 2001 Israel:
Shraga Segal, an immunologist and former dean of the
Ben-Gurion University medical school, resigned his post as chairman of the
government body that supervises research involving animals. Segal received
a faxed death threat and threats of violence against his family.
April 27, 2001 WA:
Governor Gary Locke signed into law this week a
measure that would make it a misdemeanor to knowingly interfere with or
recklessly injure a guide dog, or to allow one's dog to obstruct or intimidate
a guide dog. Repeat offenses could net up to one year in jail and a $5,000
fine. The measure sailed through the legislature in record time after reports
of blind people being harassed by animal rights fanatics, both verbally and
by looking for opportunities to separate the guide dogs from their owners.
April 19, 2001 UK:
In the US District Court for the District of New Jersey,
the US subsidiary of Huntingdon Life Sciences joined in the filing of an
amended complaint against SHAC, Voices for Animals, Animal Defense
League, In Defense of Animals, and certain individuals. The amended filing
asserts claims under the Civil Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization
Statute (RICO) and cited physical attacks on individual employees, death
threats, bomb threats, destruction of property, burglary, harassment and
intimidation; and also asserts claims for interference with contractual
relations and economic advantage. The original plaintiffs in the action were
the Stephens Group and its wholly owned investment-banking subsidiary,
Stephens, Inc.
February 23, 2001 UK:
In a major public escalation of animal rights terrorist violence, the managing
director of Huntingdon Life Sciences was attacked as he arrived home by
three masked goons wielding baseball bats or ax handles. Brian Cass, 53,
bludgeoned with head and body wounds and bruises, including a 3-inch
scalp gash, was saved from further injury by his girl friend's screams and
the aid of two passersby. One of the Good Samaritans chased the
attackers, but was debilitated by CS gas from one of the attackers. Cass,
stitched up and back at work the next day, vowed to continue the work of
HLS, which includes government mandated tests seeking cures for
dementia, diabetes, AIDS, asthma and other diseases. In reaction to the
attack, Ronnie Lee, ALF founder who is no longer with the group, condoned
the attack and expressed surprise that it didn't happen more often,
declaring that Cass got off "lightly." Other animal rights groups publicly
backed off condoning the act, but expressed "understanding" of how it
could occur. In calendar year 2000, 11 Huntingdon employees' cars were
firebombed.
February 21, 2001 UK:
Two men ages 26 and 36, and one 31 year-old woman were arrested in
connection with letter bombing attacks against at least eleven agricultural
businesses. Since December 10, 2000, three bombs were intercepted, but 5
of 10 others exploded, causing serious eye and facial injury to two adults,
and leg wounds to a 6-year old daughter of one of the intended victims.
Authorities considered all of the bombs potentially lethal. The businesses
included pet supply, pest control, farming, agricultural supply, and a
livestock auction agency.
February 13, 2001 Scotland:
A letter bomb was sent to an agricultural entity in the Borders. Army
experts were called out to defuse the bomb.
February 12, 2001 UK:
An agricultural firm in North Yorkshire received a letter bomb which was
defused without incident by army experts.
February 4, 2001 UK:
In an attack near Nantwich, Cheshire Beagles master George Murray, his
wife and five other hunt members were assaulted by masked animal rights
activists. At least five hunt members were injured by the stick- and
whip-wielding attackers. Murray was beaten, kicked in the head and face
and his wife was punched in the face. They were threatened with death as
retribution for the death 10 years ago of hunt saboteur Michael Hill.
January 31, 2001 UK:
A letter bomb exploded in Cumbria in a charity shop owned by the British
Heart Foundation. The woman who opened the package was not injured.
January 30, 2001 UK:
Two nail bombs, sent to an agricultural supplier in Sheffield and a cancer
research campaign shop in Lancashire, were detected and defused by
authorities before being opened by the recipients. Both bomb attacks were
linked to letter bomb mailings that started in mid-December.
January 5, 2001 UK:
Livestock auction estate agents in East Yorkshire are attacked by letter
bomb. One female staff member sustained serious eye injuries from the
explosion.
January 5, 2001 UK:
A farmer in North Yorkshire was injured by nails from an exploding letter
bomb.
December 30, 2000 UK:
A mail bomb sent to a pest control company in Cheshire exploded, injuring
the owner's 6-year old daughter who was helping her father with the mail.
The girl was cut on her legs and feet by shrapnel from the envelope.
Authorities suspect animal rights activists in the bombing.
October 23, 2000 UK:
Two hunt members received death threats and car bombs. Both were on a
publicized list of seven huntsmen considered to be "legitimate targets" by
the Hunt Retribution Squad." All seven had received threatening letters on
September 4, 2000. Amateur whip David Pitfield's van was destroyed by one
bomb in South Nutfield, Surrey. The bomb under a woman hunt member's
vehicle in East Sussex, discovered five hours later, did not detonate and
was removed by army bomb experts. Both bombs were considered lethal.
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/arterror.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
dh
Apr 24, 2013, 3:17:45 PM4/24/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:01:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
><dh@.> wrote
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing out
>> on a
>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>
>We're not missing out on anything.
You sure are, for example everything that works AGAINST elimination.
><dh@.> wrote
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing out
>> on a
>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>
>We're not missing out on anything.
>You make up unnecessary, irrelevant
>nonsense to oppose "elimination".
aren't just killed as animals in the crop fields that grow you people's veggies
are. I just point it out, sometimes to people like you who dislike it because
and ONLY because it works against elimination.
dh
Apr 24, 2013, 3:18:45 PM4/24/13
to
dh
Apr 24, 2013, 3:20:27 PM4/24/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
>No.
Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>egg whites
>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't know anything about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>
>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>care.
>>>>
>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>care.
>>>>
>>>> If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>
>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>
>>>"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>
>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed, Goo?
>>
>
>No.
Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
Dutch
Apr 24, 2013, 3:49:56 PM4/24/13
to
<dh@.> wrote in message news:0kbgn852h3t6p89ti...@4ax.com...
>>You make up unnecessary, irrelevant
>>nonsense to oppose "elimination".
>
> I didn't "make up" the fact that the billions of animals raised for
> food
> aren't just killed as animals in the crop fields that grow you people's
> veggies
> are. I just point it out, sometimes to people like you who dislike it
> because
> and ONLY because it works against elimination.
If no livestock animals had been born because there was no demand for meat
then no animal will have suffered or lost its life as a result and no
advocate of that would be guilty of any morally assailable act.
You are not saying anything meaningful. The animals that will "miss out on
life" if we stop consuming animal products are imaginary, non-existent,
their lives carry no moral weight.
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:01:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
>><dh@.> wrote
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing
>>> out
>>> on a
>>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>>
>>We're not missing out on anything.
>
> You sure are, for example everything that works AGAINST elimination.
You haven't introduced a single meaningful argument against "elimination".
>
>><dh@.> wrote
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing
>>> out
>>> on a
>>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>>
>>We're not missing out on anything.
>
> You sure are, for example everything that works AGAINST elimination.
>>You make up unnecessary, irrelevant
>>nonsense to oppose "elimination".
>
> I didn't "make up" the fact that the billions of animals raised for
> food
> aren't just killed as animals in the crop fields that grow you people's
> veggies
> are. I just point it out, sometimes to people like you who dislike it
> because
> and ONLY because it works against elimination.
then no animal will have suffered or lost its life as a result and no
advocate of that would be guilty of any morally assailable act.
You are not saying anything meaningful. The animals that will "miss out on
life" if we stop consuming animal products are imaginary, non-existent,
their lives carry no moral weight.
Dutch
Apr 24, 2013, 3:59:37 PM4/24/13
to
<dh@.> wrote
While your mind is open a crack, chew on this..
The judgment of whether or not we are acting morally towards livestock
animals, or our children for that matter, starts first with their existence,
then is based on how we act towards them after that. There is no valid
component of the argument that says that "they got to experience life"
factors into it. While that is a truism, it has no relevance in the context
of the argument.
You've had this wrong for many years, its never too late to wake up and
smell the coffee.
The judgment of whether or not we are acting morally towards livestock
animals, or our children for that matter, starts first with their existence,
then is based on how we act towards them after that. There is no valid
component of the argument that says that "they got to experience life"
factors into it. While that is a truism, it has no relevance in the context
of the argument.
You've had this wrong for many years, its never too late to wake up and
smell the coffee.
Uncle Steve
Apr 24, 2013, 3:58:50 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 03:11:45PM -0400, dh@. wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:22:22 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
> >> On Apr 23, 10:33 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> >> > >> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
> >> > >> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". The same argument was used to mistreat
> >> > >> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. Besides which happy pigs
> >> > >> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
> >> >
> >> > > Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
> >> > > humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
> >> > > natural?
> >> >
> >> > "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
> >>
> >> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
> >
> >Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
> >idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>
> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
[snip]
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:22:22 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
> >> On Apr 23, 10:33 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> >> > >> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
> >> > >> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". The same argument was used to mistreat
> >> > >> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. Besides which happy pigs
> >> > >> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
> >> >
> >> > > Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
> >> > > humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
> >> > > natural?
> >> >
> >> > "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
> >>
> >> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
> >
> >Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
> >idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>
> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
Not even remotely related to your habit of using empty words, empty
phrases, and an inability to engage meaningful topics off your
"approved for public consumption" list.
> http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/arterror.htm
Unrelated URL
You losers shouldn't bother if you can't in fact project a competent
and consistent persona. As it is it is completely obvious your
employer is getting ripped off.
George Plimpton
Apr 24, 2013, 5:29:27 PM4/24/13
to
On 4/24/2013 12:20 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
existence. They have no reason to want that, and they're not "failing
to consider" anything.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/23/2013 1:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/21/2013 9:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/21/2013 9:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were
>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic
>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and "get to
>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life",
>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good
>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>
>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>
>>>> "vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>
>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>
>>>
>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>
>> No. They have no reason to want livestock to continue to be bred into
>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>
>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>
> Then if they want them to continue living
They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
existence. They have no reason to want that, and they're not "failing
to consider" anything.
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 24, 2013, 5:36:07 PM4/24/13
to
M Purcell
Apr 24, 2013, 11:07:23 PM4/24/13
to
Uncle Steve
Apr 24, 2013, 11:17:22 PM4/24/13
to
M Purcell
Apr 25, 2013, 12:09:05 AM4/25/13
to
Father Haskell
Apr 25, 2013, 12:25:00 AM4/25/13
to
On Apr 15, 7:15 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1-b384-dd71619e8...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> --
Never had rodents for pets, I guess.
> In article
> <2e3227f4-ea5b-40e1-b384-dd71619e8...@id10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > On Apr 16, 6:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> > > I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> > > yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> > > good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> > > rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>
> > > Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> > > I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
> > > yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
> > > good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
> > > rice, egg whites and a bunch of seasoning.
>
> > > Apart from the small amount of egg white, no animals "got to
> > > experience life" in order to make this product.
>
> > Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> > have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
> > treated kindly and are given a good if short life. The reality is
>
> > Of course if we didn't eat cows and chickens they would never
> > have had a life to begin with. The important thing is they are
> > that animals eat each other to live.
>
> Eat each other? Some animals eat other animals, but eat each other?
>
> --
Never had rodents for pets, I guess.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 25, 2013, 4:09:06 AM4/25/13
to
So are comets, volcanoes and cholera.
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 25, 2013, 2:30:03 PM4/25/13
to
On 4/25/2013 2:09 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> animals are not natural.
>>>
>>>>> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
>>
>
>>> animals are not natural.
>>>
>>>>> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
>>
>
dh
Apr 25, 2013, 6:14:59 PM4/25/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:49:56 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
><dh@.> wrote in message news:0kbgn852h3t6p89ti...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:01:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>><dh@.> wrote
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>>>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing
>>>> out
>>>> on a
>>>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>>>
>>>We're not missing out on anything.
>>
>> You sure are, for example everything that works AGAINST elimination.
>
>You haven't introduced a single meaningful argument against "elimination".
That's a blatant lie. If everyone could appreciate when livestock experience
><dh@.> wrote in message news:0kbgn852h3t6p89ti...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:01:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>><dh@.> wrote
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:52:09 -0700, Goo feebly puled:
>>>> By ONLY considering things that support elimination you are missing
>>>> out
>>>> on a
>>>> more full and realistic interpretation of reality, Goo.
>>>
>>>We're not missing out on anything.
>>
>> You sure are, for example everything that works AGAINST elimination.
>
>You haven't introduced a single meaningful argument against "elimination".
lives of positive value then no one would be an eliminationist, and of course no
one would contribute to eliminationist organizations because there wouldn't be
any. Instead there would be organizations trying to promote lives of positive
value for livestock animals, but no organizations trying to eliminate them.
DUH!!!!
>>>You make up unnecessary, irrelevant
>>>nonsense to oppose "elimination".
>>
>> I didn't "make up" the fact that the billions of animals raised for
>> food
>> aren't just killed as animals in the crop fields that grow you people's
>> veggies
>> are. I just point it out, sometimes to people like you who dislike it
>> because
>> and ONLY because it works against elimination.
>
>If no livestock animals had been born because there was no demand for meat
>then no animal will have suffered or lost its life
> as a result and no
>advocate of that would be guilty of any morally assailable act.
>
>You are not saying anything meaningful. The animals that will "miss out on
>life" if we stop consuming animal products are imaginary, non-existent,
>their lives carry no moral weight.
will vanish as you so desperately wish it somehow could though. In fact you
can't even try to pretend that it does, much MUCH less could it possibly do so.
So of course that means bringing it up is no more significant in regards to this
topic than bringing up anything else that has nothing to do with it.
dh
Apr 25, 2013, 6:15:07 PM4/25/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:58:50 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 03:11:45PM -0400, dh@. wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:22:22 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
>> >> On Apr 23, 10:33�pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> >> > >> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. �It is delusional to think that *anything*
>> >> > >> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". �The same argument was used to mistreat
>> >> > >> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. �Besides which happy pigs
>> >> > >> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
>> >> > > humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
>> >> > > natural?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
>> >>
>> >> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
>> >
>> >Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
>> >idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>>
>> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
>> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
>[snip]
>
>Not even remotely related to your habit of using empty words, empty
>phrases,
I point out significant aspects of human influence on animals that
>On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 03:11:45PM -0400, dh@. wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:22:22 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
>> >> On Apr 23, 10:33�pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> >> > >> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. �It is delusional to think that *anything*
>> >> > >> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". �The same argument was used to mistreat
>> >> > >> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. �Besides which happy pigs
>> >> > >> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
>> >> > > humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
>> >> > > natural?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
>> >>
>> >> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
>> >
>> >Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
>> >idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>>
>> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
>> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
>[snip]
>
>Not even remotely related to your habit of using empty words, empty
>phrases,
eliminationists are opposed to seeing taken into consideration, and I point out
the lies they tell in their attempts to oppose the information I present and
they're opposed to.
>and an inability to engage meaningful topics
>off your
>"approved for public consumption" list.
>
>> http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/arterror.htm
>
>Unrelated URL
>
>You losers shouldn't bother if you can't in fact project a competent
>and consistent persona. As it is it is completely obvious your
>employer is getting ripped off.
talk about, do you have any idea?
dh
Apr 25, 2013, 6:17:26 PM4/25/13
to
meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise porcupines
for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples specifically because
they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as yourself SHOULD BE able to
appreciate them.
>chew on this..
>
>The judgment of whether or not we are acting morally towards livestock
>animals, or our children for that matter, starts first with their existence,
"Taking moral credit for a livestock animal's very
existence is analagous to taking moral credit for the
life of a daughter you sell onto the streets." - "Dutch"
and you expect that everyone else should change their pov completely about
things every time you do. For example you at one time claimed you could
appreciate lives of positive value for livestock animals but later you claim to
have unlearned and you can't do it any more. Even more absurd seeming is that
you think everyone else who had learned should have unlearned with you. EVEN
MORE pathetically absurd is the fact that you can't say HOW you unlearned so a
person could try to unlearn with you if they wanted to. I challenge you to
explain how you unlearned now. Go:
dh
Apr 25, 2013, 6:17:53 PM4/25/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Goo tried to defend eliminationists:
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
can't either, Goo.
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>
>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed, Goo?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>
>
>They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>existence. They have no reason to want that
If they want them to experience those lives they should want animals to
>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>existence. They have no reason to want that
experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
can't either, Goo.
George Plimpton
Apr 25, 2013, 8:21:52 PM4/25/13
to
On 4/25/2013 3:17 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
experience those lives, *Goo*. But *if* livestock animals exist,
"vegans" want them not to be killed.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> On 4/24/2013 2:29 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/24/2013 12:20 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/23/2013 1:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM,
>>> Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/21/2013 9:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>> On 4/24/2013 12:20 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 4/23/2013 1:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 4/23/2013 1:25 PM,
>>> Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/21/2013 9:48 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/21/2013 5:16 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 4:45 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2013 1:07 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:39 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/2013 2:06 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and
>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life",
>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good
>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>>>
>>>> No. They have no reason to want livestock to continue to be bred into
>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>
>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>
>>> Then if they want them to continue living
>>
>>
>> They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>> existence. They have no reason to want that, and they're not "failing
>> to consider" anything.
>
>> to consider" anything.
>
> If they want them to experience those lives
They don't have any reason to want them to come into existence and
experience those lives, *Goo*. But *if* livestock animals exist,
"vegans" want them not to be killed.
George Plimpton
Apr 25, 2013, 8:21:53 PM4/25/13
to
On 4/25/2013 3:15 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 03:11:45PM -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:22:22 -0400, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:33 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
>>>>>>>> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". The same argument was used to mistreat
>>>>>>>> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. Besides which happy pigs
>>>>>>>> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
>>>>>>> humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
>>>>>>> natural?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
>>>>
>>>> Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
>>>> idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>>>
>>> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
>>> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Not even remotely related to your habit of using empty words, empty
>> phrases,
>
> I point out
No. You don't "challenge", and you don't "point out." Not ever.
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:00:53AM -0700, M Purcell wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:33 pm, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bullshit smells the same, wild or no. It is delusional to think that *anything*
>>>>>>>> that occurs under the Sun is "unnatural". The same argument was used to mistreat
>>>>>>>> the Roma (and others) as an "unnatural" social graft. Besides which happy pigs
>>>>>>>> grow quicker and taste better.. same-smae for chickens and cows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Despit your delusional bullshit domesticated animals are produced by
>>>>>>> humans, not nature. Do you also believe in vitro fertilisation is
>>>>>>> natural?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unnatural" doesn't exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you also believe terrorism is natural.
>>>>
>>>> Another empty word in your hands, much like 'organic' to most of the
>>>> idiot enviro-whacko lightwights.
>>>
>>> I don't have anything from recent years, but here are some examples of
>>> eliminationist whacko terrorism:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Not even remotely related to your habit of using empty words, empty
>> phrases,
>
> I point out
M Purcell
Apr 25, 2013, 9:46:50 PM4/25/13
to
However as much as terrorism, murder, and lying may come naturally to
you, they are generally not considered normal.
Dutch
Apr 25, 2013, 10:02:25 PM4/25/13
to
<dh@.> wrote
different reality than it is. In the actual reality the LoL is limited to a
very few exceptionally dimwitted people like yourself, and it always will
be. In that respect you are even a smaller marginal minority than "ethical
vegetarians".
In the actual reality the proponents of AR are simple unable to convince the
rest of us (the 99%) that using animals and eating meat is morally wrong.
Unless things change drastically, they will always have this problem.
The LoL is completely nonsensical and unnecessary. This is intuitively
obvious to most people which is why you form a .000001% minority.
>. If everyone could appreciate when livestock experience
> lives of positive value then no one would be an eliminationist
If The Logic of the Larder were a common philosophy this would be a
> lives of positive value then no one would be an eliminationist
different reality than it is. In the actual reality the LoL is limited to a
very few exceptionally dimwitted people like yourself, and it always will
be. In that respect you are even a smaller marginal minority than "ethical
vegetarians".
In the actual reality the proponents of AR are simple unable to convince the
rest of us (the 99%) that using animals and eating meat is morally wrong.
Unless things change drastically, they will always have this problem.
The LoL is completely nonsensical and unnecessary. This is intuitively
obvious to most people which is why you form a .000001% minority.
Dutch
Apr 25, 2013, 10:03:41 PM4/25/13
to
<dh@.> wrote in message news:enajn8h79kg9akat2...@4ax.com...
George Plimpton
Apr 25, 2013, 10:55:30 PM4/25/13
to
On 4/25/2013 3:14 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
nothing to appreciate.
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
> If everyone could appreciate when livestock experience
> lives of positive value
You mean if everyone would appreciate when livestock exist. But there's
> lives of positive value
nothing to appreciate.
Dhu on Gate
Apr 26, 2013, 1:42:31 AM4/26/13
to
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:26 -0400, dh wrote:
> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>
>>chew on this..
Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic
> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>
>>chew on this..
formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the
scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact
wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of
existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to
discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the
problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the
mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all,
one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely
different way ...
-- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"
To be more prosaic, non-existence is a real thing as a shadow is a
manifestation of the interaction of real phenomenon; surely this
is the case with irrational numbers.
That the dinosaurs are extinct is not to say they never were and
in truth porcupine is one of the more edible critters in the
woods around here, but skinning them's a misery (gotta go thru
the belly). These things have bearing upon the world that now
is and will come to be.
r@not.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
Apr 26, 2013, 6:25:16 PM4/26/13
to
On 4/25/2013 11:42 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
George Plimpton
Apr 26, 2013, 6:40:41 PM4/26/13
to
> that non-existence is asmeaningless as the facts that dinosaurs
You're trying to do a parlor trick to persuade people that coming into
existence and "getting to experience life" is a benefit compared with
never existing, and that "vegans" not wanting any more livestock to
exist is "denying" "future farm animals" of that benefit. That's the
stupid bullshit you've been trying for 14 years, always without success.
Not one person has ever bought it.
The animals that will be raised for us to eat
are more than just "nothing", because they
*will* be born unless something stops their
lives from happening. Since that is the case,
if something stops their lives from happening,
whatever it is that stops it is truly "denying"
them of the life they otherwise would have had.
Goo/Fuckwit - 12/09/1999
Yes, it is the unborn animals that will be
born if nothing prevents that from happening,
that would experience the loss if their lives
are prevented.
Goo/Fuckwit - 08/01/2000
What gives you the right to want to deprive
them [unborn animals] of having what life they
could have?
Goo/Fuckwit - 10/12/2001
What I'm saying is unfair for the animals that
*could* get to live, is for people not to
consider the fact that they are only keeping
these animals from being killed, by keeping
them from getting to live at all.
Goo/Fuckwit - 10/19/1999
It's right there: "I'm saying is unfair for the animals that *could*
get to live...[to keep] them from getting to live at all." HOW do you
want to try to get people to think it's "unfair", *Goo*, do you have any
idea?
dh
Apr 30, 2013, 5:19:24 PM4/30/13
to
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:02:25 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
><dh@.> wrote
>>. If everyone could appreciate when livestock experience
>> lives of positive value then no one would be an eliminationist
>
>If [...appreciating lives of positive value for millions of animals] were
><dh@.> wrote
>>. If everyone could appreciate when livestock experience
>> lives of positive value then no one would be an eliminationist
>
>a common philosophy this would be a
>different reality than it is. In the actual reality [...appreciating lives of positive
>value for millions of animals] is limited to a
>very few exceptionally dimwitted people like yourself,
You claimed to appreciate them yourself for a short time, and then you claim
to have unlearned. HOW do you want people to think you unlearned?
. . .
> [...appreciating lives of positive value for millions of animals] is completely nonsensical
>and unnecessary.
Not for people who honestly favor lives of positive value for millions of
animals, ie decent animal welfare, over elimination. Duh. I do. You don't. Duh
again.
dh
Apr 30, 2013, 5:20:04 PM4/30/13
to
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:42:31 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:26 -0400, dh wrote:
>
>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>>
>>>chew on this..
>
>Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic
>formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the
>scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact
>wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of
>existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to
>discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the
>problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the
>mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all,
>one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely
>different way ...
>
>-- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"
>
>To be more prosaic, non-existence is a real thing as a shadow is a
>manifestation of the interaction of real phenomenon;
No, it sure is not. It's not like any interaction of real phenomenon, in
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:26 -0400, dh wrote:
>
>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>>
>>>chew on this..
>
>Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic
>formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the
>scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact
>wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of
>existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to
>discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the
>problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the
>mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all,
>one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely
>different way ...
>
>-- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"
>
>To be more prosaic, non-existence is a real thing as a shadow is a
>manifestation of the interaction of real phenomenon;
fact.
>surely this
>is the case with irrational numbers.
>
>That the dinosaurs are extinct is not to say they never were and
>in truth porcupine is one of the more edible critters in the
>woods around here, but skinning them's a misery (gotta go thru
>the belly). These things have bearing upon the world that now
>is and will come to be.
world that now is and will come to be?
dh
Apr 30, 2013, 5:20:24 PM4/30/13
to
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:03:41 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
Even someone as stupid as yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them, but
apparently you can't. Maybe you're even more stupid than I judge you to be.
>mind has been closed tight, and it is back that way now.
That's bullshit. I've been trying to get you to explain how you want people
to think anti-consideration is superior to having consideration, and how you
want people to think you unlearned for years, but you can't even attempt to
explain. A person couldn't try to look at it from your pov if they tried because
YOU can't explain.
>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>>meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise porcupines
>>for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples specifically because
>>they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as yourself SHOULD BE able to
>>appreciate them.
>
>Your
>>meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise porcupines
>>for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples specifically because
>>they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as yourself SHOULD BE able to
>>appreciate them.
>
Even someone as stupid as yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them, but
apparently you can't. Maybe you're even more stupid than I judge you to be.
>mind has been closed tight, and it is back that way now.
to think anti-consideration is superior to having consideration, and how you
want people to think you unlearned for years, but you can't even attempt to
explain. A person couldn't try to look at it from your pov if they tried because
YOU can't explain.
dh
Apr 30, 2013, 5:21:42 PM4/30/13
to
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:21:52 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:53 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Goo tried to defend eliminationists:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
lives they should not want animals to experience those lives you inept clueless
Goober. It's hard to believe something this easy and obvious is incomprehensible
to you, Goo.
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:53 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Goo tried to defend eliminationists:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
>>>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>>>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed, Goo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>
>>>
>>>They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
>>>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>existence. They have no reason to want that
>>
>>>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>existence. They have no reason to want that
>>
>> If they want them to experience those lives they should want animals to
>>experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
>>they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
>>get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
>>can't either, Goo.
. . .
>>experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
>>they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
>>get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
>>can't either, Goo.
>*if* livestock animals exist, "vegans" want them not to be killed.
If they want them to experience those lives they should want animals to
experience those lives you Googoots. If they don't want them to experience those
lives they should not want animals to experience those lives you inept clueless
Goober. It's hard to believe something this easy and obvious is incomprehensible
to you, Goo.
George Plimpton
Apr 30, 2013, 5:27:27 PM4/30/13
to
On 4/30/2013 2:21 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and
>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life",
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good
>>>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. They have no reason to want livestock to continue to be bred into
>>>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>>>
>>>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then if they want them to continue living
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
>>>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>> existence. They have no reason to want that, and they're not "failing
>>>> to consider" anything.
>>>
>>>> to consider" anything.
>>>
>>> If they want them to experience those lives
>>
>>
>> They don't have any reason to want them to come into existence and
>> experience those lives, *Goo*. But *if* livestock animals exist,
>> "vegans" want them not to be killed.
>
> If they want them to experience those lives
They have no reason to want them to experience any lives at all, *Goo*.
>
> If they want them to experience those lives
Dhu on Gate
May 1, 2013, 7:07:18 PM5/1/13
to
for a walk in the woods with me sometime to discuss some points of contention.
r@n�t.cda SpamƁusteᴙ
May 1, 2013, 6:21:18 PM5/1/13
to
On 5/1/2013 4:07 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>
>>>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>>>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>>>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>>>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>>>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>>
>>>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>>>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>>>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>>>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>>>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
George Plimpton
May 1, 2013, 7:28:18 PM5/1/13
to
On 4/30/2013 2:20 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid,
illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:26 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>>>
>>>> chew on this..
>>
>> Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic
>> formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the
>> scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact
>> wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of
>> existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to
>> discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the
>> problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the
>> mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all,
>> one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely
>> different way ...
>>
>> -- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"
>>
>> To be more prosaic, non-existence is a real thing as a shadow is a
>> manifestation of the interaction of real phenomenon;
>
> No, it sure is not.
It is. You're too stupid - too far below the rest of us - to understand it.
>>> For probably over a decade I've pointed out that non-existence is as
>>> meaningless as the facts that dinosaurs are extinct, we don't raise
>>> porcupines for food, and rocks are not alive. I use those examples
>>> specifically because they cover a wide range and even people as stupid as
>>> yourself SHOULD BE able to appreciate them.
>>>
>>>> chew on this..
>>
>> Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic
>> formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the
>> scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact
>> wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of
>> existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to
>> discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the
>> problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the
>> mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all,
>> one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely
>> different way ...
>>
>> -- Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad"
>>
>> To be more prosaic, non-existence is a real thing as a shadow is a
>> manifestation of the interaction of real phenomenon;
>
> No, it sure is not.
dh
May 2, 2013, 6:36:01 PM5/2/13
to
(prediction: the Goober can't even attempt to try to explain because he has no
idea what he thinks he wants people to think he thinks he's trying to talk
about)
dh
May 2, 2013, 6:37:40 PM5/2/13
to
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:27:27 -0700, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:21:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:21:52 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:53 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Goo tried to defend eliminationists:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
>On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:21:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:21:52 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:17:53 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, Goo tried to defend eliminationists:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:20:27 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:50:15 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:48:04 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:16:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:45:21 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:39:26 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:06:15 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean "burgers" at Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle peppers, brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife deaths than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire burger would have if it had been grain fed beef Goob, and it almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly would have if it had been grass fed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain fed burger would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>been imo Goo. You people go for your veg*n foods Goober, but so often they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>contain egg whites which almost certainly come from battery raised hens and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the suffering associated with it, on top of the cds produced in raising the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>grain to feed them of course. I consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to consider caged laying hens to have one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>highest percentages of lives of negative value to the animals of all animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>raised for food, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not only are the cages themselves overly restrictive for even one hen but
>>>>>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>when more than one hen are kept together there is too often the situation where
>>>>>>>>>>the more dominant hens keep beating on the lowest hen. That's a horrible
>>>>>>>>>>situation I've seen first hand more than once, and good enough reason to outlaw
>>>>>>>>>>the cage method imo, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in order to make this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for domestic animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone cause lots of deaths,
>>>>>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>and of course the harvesting does for a couple of reasons, and then the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>chemicals causes even more deaths, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Small animals can't withstand the crushing weight of tractor tires Goots.
>>>>>>>>>>ESPECIALLY when there's a tractor attached to them Goob. It goes on from
>>>>>>>>>>there... Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to decent life for beef cattle AND fewer cds, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger would have contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from them, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience life", *Goo* -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good reason to
>>>>>>>>>>>care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then they have no good reason to want
>>>>>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be killed, Goo?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then if they want them to continue living they have no good reason to want
>>>>>>to prevent more of them from living in the future, Goo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for human
>>>>>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>>>existence. They have no reason to want that
>>>>
>>>>>use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>>>existence. They have no reason to want that
>>>>
>>>> If they want them to experience those lives they should want animals to
>>>>experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
>>>>they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
>>>>get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
>>>>can't either, Goo.
>>. . .
>>>>experience those lives Goob. If they don't want them to experience those lives
>>>>they should not want animals to experience those lives Goots but they can't even
>>>>get as far as that most basic of aspects of the situation. It appears that you
>>>>can't either, Goo.
>>. . .
>>>*if* livestock animals exist, "vegans" want them not to be killed.
>>
>>
>> If they want them to experience those lives they should want animals to
>>experience those lives you Googoots. If they don't want them to experience those
>>lives they should not want animals to experience those lives you inept clueless
>>Goober. It's hard to believe something this easy and obvious is incomprehensible
>>to you, Goo.
>
>>experience those lives you Googoots. If they don't want them to experience those
>>lives they should not want animals to experience those lives you inept clueless
>>Goober. It's hard to believe something this easy and obvious is incomprehensible
>>to you, Goo.
>
>They have no reason to want them to experience any lives at all, *Goo*.
If they don't want them to experience those lives they should not want
animals to experience those lives, Goo.
Dutch
May 2, 2013, 6:43:55 PM5/2/13
to
<dh@.> wrote
posts as long as anybody, now try something new and make some sense. Go:
> If they don't want them to experience those lives they should not want
> animals to experience those lives, Goo.
You've demonstrated beyond any doubt that you can continue responding to
> animals to experience those lives, Goo.
posts as long as anybody, now try something new and make some sense. Go:
George Plimpton
May 2, 2013, 11:45:55 PM5/2/13
to
On 5/2/2013 3:37 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
but wasting time ever since, lied:
but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:31:20 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought a carton of Morningstar chipotle black bean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "burgers" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday, and I ate a couple of them for lunch today. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. They have black beans, corn (maize), chipotle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peppers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rice is likely to have contributed to more wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> egg whites
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's MUCH worse a contribution than an entire grain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about egg production.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we know it, Goo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice Goob.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The flooding, draining and use of farm machinery alone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a bunch of seasoning. Apart from the small amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of egg white, no animals "got to experience life" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. I don't really care about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people are proud to not contribute to anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no virtue in causing livestock animals to exist and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life." It deserves no ethical consideration,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent person gives it any.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I imagine a few animals died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing the black beans and corn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even more for the rice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't care about that, either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people also don't care that a grass raised burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to decent life for beef cattle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares about the beef animal "getting to experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - including you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then no one should care when their lives are taken from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that doesn't follow. People *do* care, and they have good
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to
>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they want them to continue living then
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "vegans" have no reason to want them to continue living, *Goo*.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be
>>>>>>>>> killed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're saying they do want all livestock animals to be
>>>>>>>>> killed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. They have no reason to want livestock to continue to be bred
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> existence, *Goo*. But you knew that already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then if they want them to continue living
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They want any that exist to continue living and not be killed for
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> use. They have no interest in seeing any more of them be bred into
>>>>>> existence. They have no reason to want that, and they're not "failing
>>>>>> to consider" anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>> to consider" anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they want them to experience those lives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They don't have any reason to want them to come into existence and
>>>> experience those lives, *Goo*. But *if* livestock animals exist,
>>>> "vegans" want them not to be killed.
>>>
>>> If they want them to experience those lives
>>
>>>
>>> If they want them to experience those lives
>>
George Plimpton
May 2, 2013, 11:45:56 PM5/2/13
to
On 5/2/2013 3:36 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - stupid, illiterate
Done.
cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and doing nothing
but wasting time ever since, lied:
but wasting time ever since, lied:
dh
May 6, 2013, 6:30:34 PM5/6/13
to
different then try explaining what you want people to think about it. Go:
It is loading more messages.
0 new messages