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VEGETARIANS LIVE LONGER, HEALTHIER LIVES

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Forwarded message from Ted:

WHAT MIGHT BE THE GREATER LIFESPAN OF VEGETARIANS?

Scharffenberg [John Scharffenberg PROBLEMS WITH MEAT, 1989]
drawing upon epidemiological data provided by Lemon &
Walden (JAMA, 1969, 18:950) reported that the best diet for
human beings in terms of health and longevity is
vegetarian. In general, vegetarians live about 6 years
longer than their meat eating counterparts (i.e., meat-
eating Seventh Day Adventists).

If we select as our comparison group only those Seventh Day
Adventists who still eat meat AND who do not smoke, it
turns out that their total vegetarian counterparts still
out live them by 3 years. Hence, even when we use a
somewhat CONSERVATIVE comparison group (remember, even
though not all SDA's are vegetarian but on the whole they
would still eat less meat then the average North American)
and thereby control for known life style hazards like
smoking, VEGETARIANS STILL LIVE LONGER (ABOUT 3 YEARS) THAN
EVEN MODERATE MEAT EATERS, and here we are talking a
comparable comparison group of meat eaters who otherwise
share essentially the same life style. This is still a
substantial difference and it would appear that the hazards
of meat eating are on the same level as that of smoking
(which as we have seen shortens this comparison group's
life-span by about 3 years).

Also, keep in mind that the observed-to-expected coronary
heart disease mortality among total vegetarians is only
14%. Vegetarians, of course, do have heart attacks but they
occur approximately 20 years later in life than for meat
eaters. Thus, not only is longevity increased but so is the
quality of health for the life span that one does live out.
This is important, especially if we hope to live a robust
and vital life and not end up being a valetudinarian or
invalid during our "golden" years, which indeed should be
golden.

Now, it is the case that the 3 year figure I cited for
greater longevity of vegetarian SDAs over their meat-eating
SDA counterparts (after activity levels, smoking, etc. had
been controlled) would LIKELY BE GREATER between
vegetarians and non-vegetarians in the population at large.
There is a greater heterogeneity (or heteroscadasticity, if
you wish) of dietary practices in the larger population.
That is, North Americans as a whole eat about twice as much
meat as even our SDA omnivores. Hence, our "with-in"
population comparison of SDA vegetarians with SDA non-
vegetarians is more homogeneous with respect to meat
consumption and would therefore likely manifest a smaller
magnitude of difference.

Also, when attempting a proper longitudinal follow-up study
there are real-world constraints that WORK AGAINST the
comparison. That is, many omnivores in our SDA population
during the interim of a longitudinal study actually reduce
their meat consumption or even become vegetarians. For
instance, Snowdon and Phillips (AMER. JOURNAL OF PUBLIC
HEALTH, 75(5): 507-12) found in their 21 year long follow-
up study that meat consumption patterns changed as follows
in a sample of 7,012 SDA's:

1960 1976
<1 day/wk (vegetarian) 12% ate meat at least >1 day/wk

1-2 days/wk 49% " " " " " "
3-5 days/wk 72% " " " " " "
6+ days/wk 83% " " " " " "

Hence, some vegetarians during the interim became meat-
eaters and many meat-eaters became vegetarians. This change
of dietary habits does NOT explain the finding of why
vegetarians live 3 years longer but works AGAINST it.
Hence, this 3 year figure is a very conservative
underestimation of the even the actual difference, let
alone the potential difference of how vegans and meat-
eaters in the population at large would compare..

This figure of three years is therefore a CONSERVATIVE
figure and one can say, therefore, that vegetarians live AT
LEAST 3 years longer than omnivores. And this is not even
taking into account the greater difference that likely
would further occur if vegans rather than just lacto-ovo-
vegetarians were instead used as our comparison group. It
is this figure, conservative as it is, that ought to be the
figure you cite since at least we here a figure that is
empirically justified and applicable to the North American
situation. Incidentally, I've seen higher estimates but I
can't find them right now.

One last note. The biologic cost of a North American
omnivorous diet is only partly given by life expectancy
estimates. Certainly, the quality of life is reduced when
one has to suffer from, say, non-lethal but debilitating
strokes and heart attacks. Problems of obesity, reduced
endurance, crapulence, and so on are not to be ignored.
Even the cognitive contradiction of being one who loves
animals but who would still sit down at dinner to eat dead
animals might also be something that detracts from enjoying
a quality life, a life in which one can say

"I lived a good life and in my small way helped to
mitigate some of the suffering in the world instead of
helping to increase it".

Ted

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May 11, 2009, 4:22:41 PM5/11/09
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But how does this explain why the longest lifespans are found in e. asia
where animal producs are a common diet item? Coming close is the so
called mediterranean diet area for health level and lifespan, where
animal products are a common diet item?

How does it explain that india far from the most animal product
consuming country, has the world's highest level of diabetes and heart
disease and other nutritional diseases?

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BMA - VEGETARIANS LIVE LONGER

Enviro: Meat & Health (fwd)

Forwarded article <32ddqm$...@ionews.io.org>,
from e...@io.org (eye WEEKLY):

eye WEEKLY August 11 1994

Toronto's arts newspaper .....free every Thursday

ENVIRO

IN MY FIFTH DECADE, I'M ENTERING MY SALAD DAYS

By
Bob Hunter

It has been eight months since I have eaten any meat. When
my wife and I decided to get serious about becoming
vegetarians, it required a fair amount of bracing of the
shoulders and a deep breath or two. I fully expected it to
be an ordeal. But the principles involved were clear
enough. I mean, at what level do you want to enter the
debate?

There's the ethical side, to do with not wanting to be part
of the horrendously cruel agri-business farming system. In
Canada, some 400 million farm animals are killed every
year, in most cases after having endured appallingly
crowded living conditions.

Apart from the cruelty, which can be remedied by treating
the animals well, there's the moral issue of killing and
eating anything.

And then there's the human health question.

For us, all three were factors, but it was certainly the
health issue that gave us the strongest push. I'd worked in
a slaughterhouse as a young man, and still managed to carry
on eating meat through my adult life until now, so
obviously I was impervious to the ethical and moral
arguments.

But when you enter the fifth decade of your life, you begin
to pay attention to details of bodily maintenance that
could be ignored before because death seemed so far away.
As your own personal expiry date approaches, you realize
that, barring accident, it is pretty much up to you whether
you will be departing from this world sooner or later.

If you want to make it later, there are a few obvious
things you can do, like exercise, quit smoking, take
vitamins, stay out of the sun and don't drink excessively.
Until very recently, it hasn't been anywhere near so
obvious that the other thing you ought to do is cut meat
out of your diet.

The medical debate over the health problems posed by a meat
diet had been raging below the surface of the media for
years. By that, I mean coverage has been just about zilch.
The meat industry has, indeed, faced some tough scrutiny
and criticism, but nothing on a scale such as the tobacco
drug lords have faced.

That is, until the results of a recent British study were
released. And even now, press reports have been shockingly
brief.

For some reason, probably the usual media unwillingness to
rock the boat, the story has been played down. The Globe
and Mail saw fit to run two paragraphs. Yet it is arguably
one of the biggest pieces of news of the year.

In case you somehow missed it, let me bring you up to
speed. The ultra-conservative British Medical Association
has released a report stating categorically that
vegetarians live longer than meat eaters.

Vegetarians, the report concludes, have a 28 per cent lower
risk of dying from heart disease and a 39 per cent lower
risk of dying of cancer. These figures are based on 12
years of collecting data on 5,015 British meat eaters and
6,115 non-meat eaters.

It was a thoroughly controlled study which took into
account the effects of living conditions, social status,
weight, job hazards and smoking, and still ended up
pointing the finger at meat.

I must say I had not seen any of these figures when I
started onto my own vegetarian diet, for the simple reason
they hadn't been released, but they certainly confirm the
general material I had been reading beforehand.

What is bizarre about the British study was the fact that
its authors said they were "unable to pinpoint exactly what
in the vegetarian diet contributed to increased longevity."

Good grief, it's not a question of what's in a vegetarian
diet, it's a matter of what's not in it! And what's not in
it is meat, period. Scientists only make idiots of
themselves when they refuse to face the implications of
their work.

What they should be asking now is what is it about meat
that kills? The irony of people dying from consuming the
flesh of the animals they have slaughtered is like some
interspecies retribution horror tale. Call it The Revenge
of the Cows.

According to the Arthur Upton, director of the National
Cancer Institute in the U.S., "up to 50 per cent" of all
forms of cancer are caused by diet. Yet only 1 per cent of
that organization's budget is dedicated to doing anything
about it.

According to John Robbins, author of Diet For A New
America, "there is not a single population in the world
with a high meat intake which does not have a high rate of
colon cancer."

Oh, and by the way, I'm feeling great. Haven't felt better
in years. Doing cold turkey on meat has turned out to be
surprisingly easy. Hardly any withdrawal. I just keep
thinking I don't want to drive a steak through my heart, or
impale myself on one either.

Bob Hunter is a co-founder of Greenpeace
and ecology specialist for CITY-TV.

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McDonald's issues formal apology to vegetarians

By Som Chivukula, in New York
Rediff
Wednesday, June 5, 2002

Fast-food chain McDonald's has issued a formal apology to
Hindus and vegetarians over the alleged use of beef
flavouring in their French fries, settling a year-long
class action lawsuit.

It also agreed to pay $10 million to different
organisations that promote vegetarianism.

"This is a new era for the fast-food industry and sets a
new standard of disclosure," claimed Seattle-based
attorney Harish Bharti, who filed the lawsuit. "Because
of this lawsuit the food disclosure standards have been
enhanced."

Despite the monetary settlement, Bharti is still
sceptical whether McDonald's will pay.

"I'll get much better sleep if all the deserving
organisations get paid. My hope is that the judge takes
control rather than their lawyers deciding which
organisations gets the money," he said.

"I'm kind of still losing sleep. The judge should appoint
a court representative to oversee the distribution so
that there is no bias or complaints from the
organisations," he said.

McDonald's on its Web site said, "We regret we did not
provide these customers with complete information, and we
sincerely apologise for any hardship that these
miscommunications have caused among Hindus, vegetarians
and others."

"We should have done a better job in these areas and
we're committed to doing a better job in the future."

Bharti has not yet been paid for his services, but
expects a payment from McDonald's after the final
approval on August 22.

"I haven't seen a single dime yet. After the final
approval, I will file a petition before the court to have
my fees paid by the defendant," he said. "This amount
(not yet determined) will not be from the $10 million
settlement."

Last month, Bharti also filed a lawsuit against the
Dallas-based Pizza Hut alleging the company of using beef
enzymes in the cheese used to top its 'veggie lover's'
pizzas.

"It's way too early to discuss the case (in terms of
settlement)," he said.

http://rediff.com/us/2002/jun/05us.htm

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Vegetarians have a better antioxidative status

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ironjust...@aol.comdoe (doe) posted:

Physiol Res. 2004 Apr;53(2):219-224. Related Articles, Links

Lipid peroxidation and nutrition.

Krajcovicova-Kudlackova M, Spustova V V, Paukova V V.

Institute of Preventive and Clinical Medicine, Limbova 14, SK-833 01
Bratislava, Slovak Republic. kudlack...@upkm.sk

Levels of conjugated dienes of fatty acids (first
peroxidation product) in relation to their substrates and
promotors (triacylglycerols, homocysteine, iron) as well as
to their inhibitors (essential antioxidative vitamins) were
assessed in a vegetarian group (n=24) and compared with
subjects on a mixed diet (traditional nutrition, n=24).
Positive significant linear correlation between conjugated
dienes and triacylglycerols, homocysteine, iron as well as
inverse relationship between conjugated dienes and vitamin
E, vitamin C, beta-carotene were observed in pooled groups.
Lipid peroxidation risk in vegetarians seems to be caused
predominantly by hyperhomocysteinemia, whereas in a mixed
diet group this was due to a higher supply of substrates or
risk iron values. The incidence of only 8 % of risk
conjugated diene values in vegetarians in contrast to 42 %
in the group with traditional diet indicates that
vegetarians have a better antioxidative status as a
consequence of regular consumption of protective food.

PMID: 15046560 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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MEAT INDUSTRY'S FAT LIES

Excerpts

Meat Industry's Fat Lies

The meat and dairy industries have spent many millions of
dollars to promote the belief that carbohydrates, such as
potatoes, bread and pasta are the real culprits that cause
excess weight gain. But literally thousands of impartial
studies have shown this to have no basis in fact. Due to
their high fat content, meats are far indeed from "calorie
conscious."

The renowned Harvard nutritionist, Dr. Jean Mayer,
explained the matter this way:

"In becoming a vegetarian, you will eat a greater
percentage of your calories from cereal grains, dried beans
and peas, potatoes and pasta -- the very foods most dieters
avoid with zeal. And you will lose weight."

Because people eating the standard American diet eat such a
very high percentage of their calories as fat, most of them
fight a never-ending "battle of the bulge." But obesity is
not merely an aesthetic issue. It has been found to be a
significant co-factor in all the degenerative diseases that
cripple and kill modern man.

The obese, and to a lesser but still significant extent the
overweight, have higher rates of heart disease, diabetes,
liver disorders, gallbladder disease, cancer, arthritis,
and virtually every other degenerative disease. Infant
mortality rates are far higher for babies born to obese
mothers. Obese teenagers have a life expectancy that is 15
years shorter than normal.

Clinically, the term "obesity" refers to excessive levels
of body-fat. It is, quite literally, a case of being fat.

From a clinical standpoint, the body weight most of us
think as "normal" is anything but healthy. As one authority
wrote:

"A teenager who remains 20% under the normal weight enjoys
a 15-year increase over and above normal life expectancy.
Lower than normal weight is also associated with marked
reductions in the incidence of cancer, cardiovascular
disease, diabetes, and other degenerative diseases. In a
very real sense, then, U.S. and European weight standards
are excessive, and the overwhelming majority of Americans
and Europeans are detrimentally overweight . . . The U.S.
Public Health Service estimates 60 million Americans are
overweight. In reality, the number of Americans who are
above optimal weight may be three times the government
estimate." [That is 3 out of 4 Americans.]

When we realize that so-called "normal" weights are
actually too high for optimum health, and a very high
percentage of Americans are above even these weights, a
picture emerges that is neither flattering nor healthy.
What is considered "normal" in our culture is actually a
moderate form of obesity.

So, if you are concerned about your health and our
environment, eliminate meat from your diet.

- Mayer, J. and Goldberg, J., "Nutrition" (a syndicated
column) Washington Post, July 26, 1981

- Tartter, P., "Cholesterol and Obesity as Prognostic
Factors..." Cancer, 47:2222, 1981

- Donegan, W., "The Association of Body Weight with
Recurrent Cancer...," Cancer, 41:1590, 1978 Editorial,
"Obesity -- The Cancer Connection," Lancet, 1:1223, 1982

- Hur, R., "Foor Reform: Our Desperate Need" Neidelburg
Publishers, 1975, pg 74

Source of excerpts - Robbins, John, "Diet For A New
America" Stillpoint Publishing, Walpole, NH; 1987.

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VEGETARIANS ENJOY LONGEST LIFESPANS

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Longevity and Health

"The cultures with the longest lifespans in the world are
the Vicambas, who reside in the Andes of Ecuador, the
Abkhasians, who live on the Black Sea in the former USSR,
and the Hunzas who live in the Himalayas of northern
[Bharat, aka India].

Researchers discovered a striking similarity in the diets
of these groups, scattered though they arein different
parts of the planet. All three are either totally
vegetarian or close to it. The Hunzas, who are the largest
of the three groups, eat almost no animal products. Meat
and dairy products combined account for only 1-1/2% of
their total calories.

Particularly striking to researchers who have visited
these cultures is that the people not only live so long,
but that they enjoy full, active lives throughout their
many years, and show no signs of the many degenerative
diseases that afflict the elderly in our culture.

They work and play at 80 and beyond; most of those who
reach their 100th birthday continue to be active, and
retirement is unheard of. The absence of (excess protein)
in their diets engenders slower growth and slim, compact
body frames. With age, wisdom accumulates, but physical
degeneration is limited so the senior citizens of these
remote societies have something unique to contribute to the
lives of others. They are revered.

- Leaf, A., National Geographic, 143:93, 1973.

- Hur, Robin, 'Food Reform: Our Desperate Need,'
Heidelburg, 1975, pg. 95."

Source - Robbins, John, DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA, Stillpoint,
1987, pg. 155.

Dutch

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<hari....@indero.com> wrote

Radical vegetarians like Jay Not-a-Hindoo are not interested in reasonable
debate, but thanks for trying.

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Non-Vegetarians, Reduced Sperm Counts and Birth Defects

"Farhan Siddiqui" <siddi...@digiplace.com> wrote:
> The other side of the argument would be, may be all
> that vegetarianism caused . . . impotency . . .

Scientific studies have provided conclusions about sexual
and reproductive problems related to the animal-based diet.
Please consider these facts:

"Ominously, a recent government study found PCB's
present in 100% of the human sperm samples tested.[75] They
also found a correlation between high PCB levels and low
sperm count.[76] PCB's are considered one of the chief
reasons for the staggering fact that the average sperm
count of the American male is today *only 70% of what it
was only 30 years ago.*[77]

"Tests done at several major universities have found
that nearly 25% of today's college students are
sterile.[78] This is a terrifying trend. Only thirty-five
years ago, the sterility rate was less than one-half of one
percent.[79]

[...]

"Men who think they may someday wish to father a child
would do well to realize that the toxic chemicals they
ingest today, including those specially damaging to sperm
cells, tend to collect and concentrate in the male
reproductive tract.[147] The result is that a very high
number of birth defects stem form the male's absorption of
these chemicals. . . .

[...]

"Even if a man does not father a child, he should be
concerned. His sperm will still collect these chemicals.
And, during intercourse, they will be transmitted to the
female.[149] She will absorb them through her vaginal
mucosa, and then store them in her womb, like the worst
kind of biological time bomb, waiting to cause birth
defects and cancer.

"Fortunately, wise food choices today can do a great
deal to protect the health of the as-yet unborn.

[...]

"Toxic chemical authorities agree that human
contamination with PCB's come mainly from eating fish from
waters in which PCB levels are high.[82] . . . The EPA
estimates fish can accumulate up to 9 million times the
level of PCB's in the waters in which they live![83]...

[...]

"Livestock in today's factory farms are fed huge
quantities of fish meal. Half of the world's fish catch is
fed to livestock.[87] In fact, more fish are consumed by
U.S. livestock than by the entire human population of all
the countries of Western Europe combined.[88]

[...]

"'Foods of animal origin (are) the major source of...
pesticide residues in diet.'[19]"

Excerpts from Robbins, J., "Diet For A New America,"
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.

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""The cultures with the longest lifespans in the world are
the Vicambas, who reside in the Andes of Ecuador, the
Abkhasians, who live on the Black Sea in the former USSR,
and the Hunzas who live in the Himalayas of northern
[Bharat, aka India]."

Always, always fact check jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. when he posts
such as above. First the "aka india" was something he added, I saw the
original sources for this.

There are two items here to correct him. First who live longest:

"Residents of Okinawa, a Japanese island, have long been endowed with
high
life expectancies. In 2002, there were 34.7 people 100 years or older
per
100,000 residents, the highest life expectancy of any area in the world"

They eat seafood and love pork which is consumed on festivals etc. or
for honored guests.

Second, here is the world's by expected life span,ie. the average of all
people, among which animal product consumption is not rare:

Macau 84.36 2009 est.
ndorra 82.51
2009
Japan 82.12 2009 est.
Singapore 81.98 2009 est.
San Marino 81.97 2009 est.
Hong Kong 81.86 2009 est.
Australia 81.63 2009 est.
Canada 81.23 2009 est.
France 80.98 2009 est.
Sweden 80.86 2009 est.
Switzerland 80.85 2009 est.
Guernsey 80.77 2009 est.
Israel 80.73 2009 est.
Iceland 80.67 2009 est.
Anguilla 80.65 2009 est.


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Most Pesticides Come from the Meat Diet

[View table with a fixed-width font]

Pesticide Residues in U.S. Diet


DDT, 0.3-
DDE, | .281
TDE | XXXX
R | XXXX
E | XXXX
S 0.2- XXXX
I | XXXX
D | XXXX
U | XXXX
E | XXXX .112
S 0.1- XXXX XXXX
| XXXX XXXX
in Parts | XXXX XXXX .041
per | XXXX XXXX XXXX .036 .027 .026
Million | XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX .008 .007 .003
0.0- ---------------------------------------xxxx--xxxx--xxxx-
Meat Dairy Oils Leaf Fruit Leg- Grain Root Pot-
1964-68 Fish Prod. Fats Veg- umes Cereal Veg- ato-
Levels Pou- Sho- eta- eta- es
ltry rte- bles bles
ning

Source: Cornellusen, P.E.
"Pesticide Residues in Total Diet"
Pesticides Monitoring Journal
2:140-152, 1969

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Contaminated Meat & Poultry

Say Goodbye if you eat chicken or meat:

Congress wanted to know just how commonly meat in the
United States today is infected with salmonellosis. They
summoned Dr. Richard Novick, of the Public Health Research
Institute, and asked for his expert testimony. The
authority didn't mince his words:

The meat we buy is grossly contaminated with
both coliform bacteria and salmonella.

One of the reasons our meat supply is so heavily
contaminated with these disease agents is the way the
animals are handled today. To begin with, they are sick
creatures, due to how they are kept, and thus susceptible
to just about any disease that comes down the pike.

Then they are fed contaminated byproducts from the
slaughterhouse, and crowded into cages, feedlots, trucks
and holding pens which are perfect environments for disease
to spread. And as if that weren't enough, the
slaughterhouses themselves could hardly be better designed
for the spread of disease.

It is not just food reformers and vegetarians who are
concerned. The Journal of the American Veterinary
Association surveyed a cattle slaughterhouse and found a
very high percentage of the carcasses were contaminated
with salmonellosis.

When 60 MINUTES asked the head of the USDA Inspection
Service, he answered (in March, 1987) that if you go into a
supermarket anywhere in the United States and buy a
chicken, the odds are better than one in three it will be
contaminated.

Alarmed, 60 MINUTES conducted its own test, and the results
brought no peace of mind. Over half the birds they
purchased were found to be contaminated with salmonellosis.
Amazed, they interviewed a number of meat inspectors, who
publicly acknowledged on national television that the
inspection system provides no protection to the consumer.

Even the industry acknowledges this is the case. Poultry
Science, a journal of the poultry trade, reported that 90%
of the dressed product from a poultry processing plant was
contaminated with salmonellosis. The National Research
Council, evidently not believing things could be this bad,
conducted its own survey, and found out things were worse.
No less than 90% of the poultry from a federally-inspected
plant they examined were contaminated with salmonellosis.

- Statement by Richard Novick, Hearings before the
Subcommittee on Agricultural Research and General
Legislation of the Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and
Forestry September 21, 1977

- "Salmonellae in Slaughter Cattle" Journal of the
American Veterinary Medical Association 160(6):884, 1972

- "Salmonella Contamination in a Commercial Poultry
Processing Operation," Poultry Science, 53:814-21, 1974

- Robbins, John, "Diet For A New America" Stillpoint

Publishing, Walpole, N.H., 1987, pgs. 302-303

- Wellford, H., "Sowing the Wind" Bantam Books, 1973, pgs.
133-134

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IRON CONTENT OF COMMON FOODS

(in Milligrams per 100 Calories)

Spinach 11.3 #############################################
Cucumber 6.0 #######################
Lettuce 3.8 ################
Bell Pepper 3.3 #############
Strawberries 2.7 ###########
Cabbage 2.4 ##########
Lima Beans 2.3 ##########
Sirloin Steak 1.9 ########
Grapefruit 1.1 ####
Wheat 1.1 ####
Ground Beef 1.1 ####
Chicken Breast 0.8 ###
Bologna 0.6 ##
Cheddar Cheese <.1
Cottage Cheese <.1
Milk <.1

"<" means "less than"

Source: "Nutritive Value of American Foods in Common Units"
U.S.D.A. Handbook No. 456

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BREAST CANCER RISK GRAPH

[View with a fixed-width font]

A WOMAN'S RISK OF BREAST CANCER
RISES DRAMATICALLY
WITH HER INTAKE OF MEAT

4 _....................................................
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B ....................................############....
R ....................................### 3.83 ###....
E ....................................############....
A 3 _....................................############....
S ....................................############....
T ....................................############....
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C ....................### 2.55 ###....############....
A 2 _....................############....############....
N ....................############....############....
C ....................############....############....
E ....................############....############....
R ....................############....############....
1 _....................############....############....
R ....############....############....############....
I ....### 1.00 ###....############....############....
S ....############....############....############....
K ....############....############....############....
0 _....############....############....############....
Less than 1 2 - 4 7 or more
MEAT Servings Per Week

Source:
Paper presented by Dr. Takashi Hirayama at the
Conference on Breast Cancer and Diet
U.S.-Japan Cooperative Cancer Research Program
Fred Hutchison Cancer Center
Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
March 14, 15, 1977
Based on graph on page 265 of
DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA
By John Robbins
Stillpoint Publishing; 1987; ISBN: 0-91329955-3

pearl

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<hari....@indero.com> wrote in message news:4a088911$0$23834$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu...

> But how does this explain why the longest lifespans are found in e. asia
> where animal producs are a common diet item? Coming close is the so
> called mediterranean diet area for health level and lifespan, where
> animal products are a common diet item?

"Indeed, dietary moderation is a consistent feature of the lives of the superwrinklies.
Protein and animal fat typically play a minimal role in their menus. In Sunchang, for
example, rice and boiled vegetables are a staple. "The white-rice- and-vegetables-
dominated diet consists primarily of carbohydrate, while remaining low in fat," says
Dr. Park Sang Chul, who heads the World Health Organization's aging-research
center in Seoul and has spent three years studying the residents of Sunchang. "Low
fat content is one of the more crucial keys toward longevity." The story is similar
for the locals of Hunza Valley, says Khwaja Khan, a physician in the Hunza town
of Karimabad who has treated many of the valley's eldest residents. The Hunza,
Khan says, were cut off from the outside world for centuries by the 7,000-meter
Himalayan peaks ringing the valley, and until recently were forced to subsist on a
spartan menu of apricots, walnuts, buckwheat cakes and fresh vegetables. Many
cross the century mark, and a few motor on for another 10 years or longer.
...'
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/printout/0,13675,501030721-464472,00.html

'Chin Med J 2000;113(4):358-360

Oral mucosal conditions and some related factors in 140 Uygur centenarians

QIU Hongsheng , LIU Yi , BAI Shengyi , LI Cuifang , and FENG Mimi
Urumqi General Hospital of Lanzhou Military Region, PLA, Urumqi 830000,
China (Qiu HS and Feng MM)
Department of Physiology, Xinjiang Medical University, Urumqi 830054, China
(Liu Y)
Health Section of Hetian Military Subarea, PLA, Hetian 848000, China (Bai SY)
Clinic of Rear-Service Department Xinjiang Military Region, PLA, Urumqi
830002, China (Li CF)
...
Subjects consisted of 140 Uygur centenarians among the ages of 100 to 135
years(100 males and 40 females). All of them lived in the rural areas of Aksu,
Kashi and Hetian counties in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.[1] Nearly
two thirds of them could take care of themselves and some even could do
slight physical labor. All subjects were given to these examinations on a
voluntary basis.
...
Footnotes:
..
(6) Higher than expected levels of serum sex hormones, thyroid hormones
and OST;
(7) Intaking of large quantities of fresh maize, melon, fruits and onion all
year round;
..'
http://www.cmj.org/Periodical/PaperList.asp?id=LW8518

'Hormones and diet: low insulin-like growth factor-I but normal bioavailable
androgens in vegan men.
Allen NE, Appleby PN, Davey GK, Key TJ.
Cancer Epidemiology Unit, Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Radcliffe
Infirmary, Oxford, UK.

Mean serum insulin-like growth factor-I was 9% lower in 233 vegan men
than in 226 meat-eaters and 237 vegetarians (P = 0.002). Vegans had higher
testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters, but this was offset by
higher sex hormone binding globulin, and there were no differences between
diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing
hormone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&listuids=10883675&dopt=Citation

(Higher levels of insulin-like growth factor-I are associated with cancer.)

> How does it explain that india far from the most animal product
> consuming country, has the world's highest level of diabetes

'.. when you are a member of a culture of people known to have a genetic
predisposition for diabetes, this tendency to eat high-fat, high-sugar food
can lead to health problems.
..
"Much of this increase will occur in developing countries and will be due
to population growth, aging, unhealthy diets, and sedentary lifestyles,"
the WHO states.
..
According to the NYT's analysis, the dramatic and widespread rise of
the form of diabetes that has historically only affected older adults is a
function of increasing incomes in India and the invasion of western fast
food. Instead of the traditional lentils, rice, and fresh vegetables, many
are opting for convenience foods that their new wealth allows. This
trend, combined with the ubiquitous sweet shops in India and the money
to frequent them much more often than usual, has thickened the middles
of a formerly svelte people known more for yoga and meditation than
diseases.
..'
http://diabetes1.org/News/Diabetes_Epidemic_in_India_Linked_to_Affluence_Gone_Astray

'Type 2 diabetes is known as the "disease of affluence"; it preys on
people who, as they become better off, take less exercise and change
their diet away from fresh vegetables and fruit.

Professor Ramachandran, a diabetes physician in Chennai says: "Of
course people want to be better off. They want to have an easier lifestyle.

"But what many of them don't realise is that as they adjust their lives and
become more sedentary and consume more junk food they are opening
the door to diabetes."
..
For reasons that doctors do not fully understand Indians seem to have
an unnaturally high risk of contracting diabetes.

So if they stray just slightly into an unhealthy way of living they become
very vulnerable.
..'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7728092.stm

'Top U.S. Cardiologist Spreads Vegan Message in India
..
Taking a vegetarian message to India might strike some as akin to shipping
orange juice to Central Florida, but there's a real and urgent need, says that
American physician, Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr., M.D., a longtime Cleveland
Clinic cardiologist and PCRM advisory board member. Even though half
of India's 1 billion people are more or less vegetarian, urbanization and an
increasing middle-class appetite for Western fast-food has contributed to
"a real epidemic of heart disease and diabetes there," says Dr. Esselstyn,
whose November 2000 trip marked his first visit to India. In 1998, India
recorded 1.8 million heart attacks, a 50-percent increase from 1991.
Without widespread dietary improvements, he told listeners, India's heart
disease death toll will double by 2015, cancer rates could triple by 2025,
and India may have a world-topping 57 million diabetes patients by 2025.

"Indians have been vegetarians for years, but sadly they drench their
food in oils, and they have lots of dairy. And now there's this Western
influence where you have McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken
creeping in," Dr. Esselstyn says.
..'
http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/GM01Spring/GM01Spring05.html

> and heart disease

In addition to the above, again...

'The major causes of heart disease are tobacco use, physical
inactivity, and an unhealthy diet often linked to the developed world.

So in a country that traditionally frowns upon smoking and embraces
the idea of a vegetarian diet, it was unexpected to find such a high
percentage of the disease.

Researchers had long been aware that heart disease, which according
to the World Health Organization will kill almost 20 million people by
2015, is exceptionally prevalent in the sub-Indian continent.

But it is only recently that scientists discovered the gene responsible.
The research, published in January in the journal Nature Genetics,
explains how a genetic mutation affecting four per cent of Indians
and one per cent of the world's population, leads to a formation of
an abnormal protein.

This protein often results in cardiomyopathy, a disease that causes
deterioration of the heart muscle.
..'
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/02/india.heart.disease/

> and other nutritional diseases?

'Mineral content: This may be the most important nutritional difference
between organic and regular produce since heavy use of fertilizer inhibits
absorption of some minerals, which are likely to be at lower levels to
begin with in soils that have been abused. This may be caused in part
by the lack of beneficial mycorrhizae fungi on the roots since high levels
of fertilizer tend to kill them. Standard diets tend to be low in various
minerals, resulting in a variety of problems including osteoporosis.
..'
http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Foods/organic.html

'There were indications that trace element deficiencies in Indian soils
might be comparatively widespread with intensification of agriculture.
..'
http://www.ipipotash.org/udocs/Potassium%20Research%20in%20India%20Past%20and%20Future.pdf

'Green revolution in India has witnessed a jump in agricultural production
with the introduction of HYVs of various crops and by following intensive
cultivation practices with the use of fertilizers, pesticides and other inputs.
The intensive use of inputs has not only polluted the soil, water and the
environment causing their slow degradation but also affected the human
beings. With the increase in the country's population, compulsion would
be not only to mobilize the agricultural production but also to increase
further in a sustainable manner. The scientists have realized that the green
revolution with high input use has reached a plateau and is now sustained
with diminishing return and falling dividend. Therefore, there is a need to
study the past trends in inputs usage like fertilizers and pesticides which
are the major components in crop production and future challenges and
strategies for sustainable agriculture.
..
Consumption of chemical fertilizers has increased tremendously in recent
years. Nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium are the primary fertilizers
nutrients which are widely used in our country.
..
The total consumption of chemical fertilizers is in increasing trends from
0.69 lakh (-100,000) tonnes in 1950-51 to 173.18 lakh tonnes in 1997-98.
..
Continuous use of inorganic fertilizers mainly containing major nutrients
NPK in large quantities and neglecting organic and bio-fertilizers paved
the way for deterioration of soil health and in turn ill effects on plants,
human being and cattle.

The adverse effects of using fertilizers are explained below.
..
Development of soil acidification and alkalization due to continuous use
of acidic (NH4 Cl (NH2 ) SO4 etc.) and basic (NANO3 ) (CAN basic
slag etc.) fertilizers causing imbalance in nutrients availability to crops
and affecting activities of beneficial micro organisms.
..'
http://www.manage.gov.in/managelib/faculty/manohari.htm


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Dear pearl, what a blessing to instruct you again and what joy to see
you at my feet so entralled by each word.

> But how does this explain why the longest lifespans are found in e.
asia
> where animal producs are a common diet item? Coming close is the so
> called mediterranean diet area for health level and lifespan, where
> animal products are a common diet item?

""Indeed, dietary moderation is a consistent feature of the lives of the
"

Indeed, not total exclusion of animal products, which the e. asia
example where the world's longest living consume seafood and pork in
moderation illustrate well.

"> How does it explain that india far from the most animal product
> consuming country, has the world's highest level of diabetes

'.. when you are a member of a culture of people known to have a genetic
predisposition for diabetes, this tendency to eat high-fat, high-sugar
food
can lead to health problems."

Indeed, low use of animal products is no benefit alone to prevent
diabetes and heart disease. In traditional areas where consumption is
lower and exercise higher the rates are low. There is also some reason
to think the use of the particular fat sources plays a role. More
wealth allows greater use of them.

Genetics alone does not account for the within population change and
only a minority of the between population levels. By statistics the
difference can be removed and still india has the world's highest, and
rising, levels.

In both the longest living and the low animal using cases the answer is
no where close to a black and white division based on excluding animal
products.

That is the reality of the fanatic and I know my dear pearl no one could
ever accuse you of being same.

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"IRON CONTENT OF COMMON FOODS

(in Milligrams per 100 Calories)

Spinach 11.3 #############################################
Cucumber 6.0 #######################
Lettuce 3.8 ################
Bell Pepper 3.3 #############
Strawberries 2.7 ###########
Cabbage 2.4 ##########
Lima Beans 2.3 ##########
Sirloin Steak 1.9 ########
Grapefruit 1.1 ####
Wheat 1.1 ####
Ground Beef 1.1 ####
Chicken Breast 0.8 ###
Bologna 0.6 ##
Cheddar Cheese <.1
Cottage Cheese <.1
Milk <.1"

Now you and pearl should get togather and get your story straight.

She says animal products provide too much iron and this implies plant
sources might. Now which is it?

Of course do take in account those substances in plants which block iron
absorption.

Consider too the 1/3 of the world who eat mostly plant foods because of
poverty or cultural choice and who have iron levels too low for good
health. Could there be any connection with the fact their diet contains
plant foods very high in those substances blocking iron?

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Cholesterol Content of Common Foods

in milligrams per 100 gram portion

ANIMAL FOOD

Eggs, whole 550
Kidney, beef 375
Liver, beef 300
Butter 250
Oysters 200
Cream Cheese 120
Lard 95
Beefsteak 70
Lamb 70
Pork 70
Chicken 60
Ice Cream 45

PLANT FOOD

All grains 0
All vegetables 0
All nuts 0
All seeds 0
All legumes 0
All vegetable oils 0

Pennington, J.
Food Values of Portions
Commonly Used
Harper & Row, N.Y., 1985

Excerpts from Diet For A New America by John Robbins,
published by Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.

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Cholesterol Content of Common Foods
"
in milligrams per 100 gram portion

ANIMAL FOOD

Eggs, whole 550
Kidney, beef 375
Liver, beef 300
Butter 250
Oysters 200
Cream Cheese 120
Lard 95
Beefsteak 70
Lamb 70
Pork 70
Chicken 60
Ice Cream 45

PLANT FOOD

All grains 0
All vegetables 0
All nuts 0
All seeds 0
All legumes 0"
All vegetable oils 0

Ah, but jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. forgot the most important animal
source of all, ourselves. Diet usually provides 12 percent of it, the
rest is easily and normally made by our body. It is essential for
normal metabolism and if the dietary part goes down the body
contribution goes up to compensate.

Only when with heart disease and similar problems should one make an
effort to limit too much of it. In which case one should also take
statin or similar acting drugs to limit the body contribution also.

It is not found in plants because they unlike humans and other animals
must absolutely have it to live.

Levels too high is a big problem in india where heart disease is the
world's highest, with a low animal product
contribution except of the humans involved.

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DIABETES - VEGETARIAN DIET TO THE RESCUE

Diabetes and A Vegetarian Diet

Forwarded message from Ferrell S. Wheeler

NOTE TO THE READER: This article is for you if you are a
vegetarian who has just developed diabetes, or if you are
a diabetic who would like to try a vegetarian diet. If
you are a diabetic, be certain to work with a registered
dietitian when planning your diet, especially if you are
a new diabetic.

DIABETES AND A VEGETARIAN DIET

By VIRGINIA MESSINA, M.P.H., R.D.

The earliest diabetes diet was described in Egypt around
1550 B.C.E. and suggested the use of "wheat grains, fresh
grits, grapes, honey, berries, and sweet beer," in other
words, a high carbohydrate diet. However, by the late
18th century, a British surgeon was recommending "animal
food and confinement with an entire abstinence from every
kind of vegetable matter." Almost every type of diet
that falls between these two extremes has been
recommended at one time or another. Our understanding of
the best diet for diabetes is ever evolving. We do know,
as did our ancestors, that diet is important in the
control of this disease.

WHAT IS DIABETES?

Diabetes, or Diabetes Mellitus as it is properly called,
is the inability to process food properly. Much of what
we eat is digested and converted to glucose, the sugar
found in blood. Glucose, carried through the blood to
the body organs, is transported into individual cells,
where it is used as an energy source. Most of the body's
organs require the hormone insulin to get glucose into
cells. In diabetes, insulin is either absent, present in
insufficient amounts, or ineffective. Therefore, cells
cannot get enough glucose. As a result, glucose builds
up in the bloodstream. When blood glucose (blood sugar)
is high, it is called hyperglycemia.

Short-term effects of hyperglycemia may include thirst,
frequent urination, weakness, lack of ability to
concentrate, loss of coordination, and blurred vision.
With very high levels of blood glucose, loss of
consciousness is possible.

COMPLICATIONS OF DIABETES

Diabetes is much more than high blood glucose. The
effects of the disease are far-reaching, sometimes
unexplained, and potentially devastating. Diabetics
often have high levels of blood lipids (cholesterol and
triglycerides) and are at increased risk for developing
atherosclerosis, or blocked arteries. Untreated diabetes
results in increased risk for heart attack, stroke, and
vision problems, including blindness. Some experts feel
that the long-term complications of diabetes may result
from years of high blood glucose.

As ominous as this sounds, there is good news about
diabetes. Diabetes can be controlled. A look at the diet
recommended for diabetics can help us to see why
vegetarians may have the advantage in controlling this
disease.

TWO TYPES OF DIABETES

Much confusion about diabetes arises from the fact that
it is really two separate diseases. Type I diabetes is
also called insulin dependent diabetes mellitus (IDDM)
and was formerly referred to as juvenile onset diabetes.
Those with type I diabetes produce no or very little
insulin. There is no cure for this type of diabetes
although proper diet and exercise can decrease insulin
needs.

Type II diabetes, or non-insulin dependent diabetes
mellitus (NIDDM), used to be called adult-onset diabetes.
About 90% of all diabetics fall into this category.
Obesity is believed to be a major risk factor for type II
diabetes. Some type II diabetics produce insufficient
insulin and may benefit from insulin injections. More
typically however, these individuals produce sufficient
or even excess insulin; but their cells are resistant to
the insulin. These diabetics may take medications called
"oral hypoglycemic agents" to help lower blood glucose.
In many cases weight reduction alone will help to
normalize blood glucose levels. Regardless of the type,
diet is a critical factor in attaining normal blood
glucose levels in diabetes.

There are four goals of the diabetic diet.

1. TO ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN NORMAL BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS.
Blood glucose levels are affected by the type and amount
of food consumed, and for people taking insulin, by the
timing of the meals.

2. TO ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE BLOOD FAT LEVEL.
Since diabetics are at higher risk for atherosclerosis
and associated problems, blood levels of cholesterol and
triglycerides are important.

3. TO PROVIDE GOOD NUTRITION. The nutritional needs of
diabetics are the same as those of all other individuals.

4. TO MAINTAIN AN APPROPRIATE WIEGHT. This is especially
important for type II diabetics, many of whom are
overweight. Obesity is a significant risk factor for
diabetes

Based on these goals, the principles of the diabetic diet
are as follows.

1. LOW-FAT, SPECIFICALLY LOW SATURATED FAT. This is the
most important principle of the diabetic diet. Foods high
in fat are also high in calories, and therefore
contribute to obesity. Additionally, high fat, high
saturated fat diets are associated with atherosclerosis.

2. HIGH CARBOHYDRATE. Many people are surprised to learn
that diabetics can and should eat starches such as
potatoes, bread, pasta, and legumes. A high complex
carbohydrate diet helps to control blood glucose. The
American Diabetic Association recommends that at least 55
- 60% of the calories consumed be from carbohydrate.

3. HIGH FIBER. Fiber seems to be especially effective in
normalizing blood glucose levels and lowering blood lipid
levels, as we shall see.

FIBER

The hottest area in diabetes in the past decade has been
the effect of fiber on blood glucose levels. Fiber is
found only in plant foods. Foods derived from animals do
not contain any fiber. Some researchers have been able to
show that the total level of complex carbohydrate (starch
and fiber) is more important than the level of fiber
alone. Indeed, several studies have shown that when the
level of carbohydrate is held constant, varying levels of
fiber have no effect on blood glucose levels. However,
the majority of studies support a role for fiber in
regulating blood glucose.

There are two types of dietary fiber. Insoluble fiber
has little effect on blood glucose. Soluble fiber,
however, has been associated with improved blood glucose
control in diabetics and with lowering of blood
cholesterol levels. The best sources of soluble fiber
are shown in the chart on the next page.

What level of dietary fiber should be used in the
diabetic diet? Different amounts have been proposed. The
American Diabetes Association recommends 40 grams of
dietary fiber per day. For com-parison purposes, the
average American consumes between 10 and 15 grams of
dietary fiber per day. The American Diabetes Association
does not make a recommendation for a specific amount of
soluble fiber.

The panel of National Institutes of Health Consensus
Development Conference on Diet and Exercise in NIDDM
(Non-Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus) believes the
evidence for increasing fiber in the diabetic diet is
inconclusive. However, Dr. James Anderson, whose
research helped to establish a role for fiber in control
of diabetes, recommends very high intakes of fiber. He
states that the "ideal" diabetic diet could include as
much as 70 grams of dietary fiber per day. Some health
professionals suggest caution in the use of very high
fiber diets. In some studies, dietary fiber, when
consumed at very high levels, has been shown to bind
minerals such as iron and calcium, making them
unavailable to the body.

Although there is no consensus on the amount of fiber to
be eaten, health professionals agree that many Americans
do not eat enough dietary fiber. Vegetarians are more
likely to achieve the recom-mended increase in fiber
intake because of their reliance on plant foods.
Replacing non-fibrous foods such as meat, cheese, and
eggs with grains and legumes is an excellent way to
increase dietary fiber. While a high-fiber diet is
difficult for many Americans to achieve, it is a way of
life for most vegetarians.

GOOD SOURCES OF SOLUBLE FIBER

dry or cooked oat bran
cooked oatmeal
black eyed peas
kidney beans
pinto beans
split peas
butter beans
lentils
fresh peas
baked potato with skin
Brussels sprouts
corn
zucchini
prunes
apricots
bananas
blackberries
barley

NOTE: Dr. Anderson from the University of Kentucky has
compiled data for the amount of soluble fiber in the
above foods. However, since data on soluble and
insoluble fiber in foods has not been agreed upon by
experts on fiber, we have not included amounts per
serving.

Increasing your intake of soluble fiber is really quite
easy. Be sure to include a serving of legumes in your
diet daily -- they are the best food source of soluble
fiber, and black eyed peas are the best of the beans!
Tofu does not count since it does not include the fibrous
portion of the soybean. Experiment with oat bran. See
Bobbie Hinman's article in the March, 1989 Vegetarian
Journal. Replace 1/4 - 1/2 of the flour in baked
products with raw oat bran. Your product will be
heavier, but delicious. Eat more berries. Experiment
with grains and breads. Barley and corn meal both have
more soluble fiber than brown rice.

SUGAR

Can diabetics consume sugar? And if so, how much?
Historically, the recommendation has been for diabetics
to avoid all sugar. This is because sugars have a simple
chemical structure; they are digested and absorbed
quickly. It was thought that this could cause a dramatic
rise in blood glucose levels. Recent evidence shows that
foods high in sugar are not as harmful to diabetics as
once thought. Several studies have shown that sucrose
(common table sugar) when fed as part of a meal does not
cause increases in blood glucose levels any more than do
most starches.

Does this mean that there are no restrictions on sugar in
the diet of diabetics? Well, not necessarily. For one
thing, a number of studies have linked sugar consumption
by diabetics with an increase in blood triglycerides, a
type of fat. Although the actual significance of
increased blood triglycerides remains controversial,
unlimited use of sugar does not seem prudent.

What is more important is that foods high in sugar are
often high in saturated fat and calories and low in
nutrients. For this reason, diabetics, like everyone
else, would do well to keep their intake of sweets to a
minimum.

The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development
Conference on Diet and Exercise in NIDDM states that it
is acceptable for up to 5% of total calories to come from
sugar. This means that for a person on a 1500 calorie
diet, with 60% of calories from carbohyrate,
approximately 2 and 1/2 teaspoons of sugar are allowable.
While this is a fairly small amount of sweetener, the
allowance for some desserts on the diabetic diet is a
welcome and realistic one.

ALCOHOL

Use of alcohol should be limited on the diabetic diet.
Alcoholic beverages are high in calories and contribute
little nutritional value to a diet.

Your physician may allow occasional use of alcoholic
beverages. If you do drink alcohol, keep the following
in mind.

* Be certain to always eat some solid foods when
drinking.

* Insulin reactions can be difficult to recognize when
you have been drinking.

* If you use an exchange list diet, count alcohol using
the following guidelines:

12 oz. regular beer 1 bread plus 2 fats

12 oz. light beer 2 fats

1-1/2 oz. distilled spirits 2 fats

3-1/2 oz. dry wine 1 1/2 fats

EXERCISE

Exercise is especially important for Type II diabetics.
Research shows that regular exercise can help to increase
the body cells' sensitivity to insulin. Remember that
one problem in Type II diabetes is that cells are not
sensitive to insulin. So exercising diabetics may be
better able to regulate blood glucose. This effect is
seen only when diabetics exercise on a regular basis.
Exercise has the added benefits of improving
cardiovascular fitness and aiding in weight reduction.
Both are of concern to the diabetic.

Diabetics who take insulin injections can certainly
exercise also. However, precautions need to be taken.
Rigorous exercise must be accompanied by an increase in
food intake, or hypoglycemia (low blood glucose) may
result. A dietitian can help you plan appropriate snacks
for exercise. All diabetics should consult their
physicians before beginning an exercise program.

DIABETES IN PREGNANCY

There are two types of diabetic pregnancies.

GESTATIONAL DIABETES is diabetes that develops for the
first time during pregnancy. It usually disappears after
the baby is delivered. Women who develop gestational
diabetes are at greater risk for developing Type II
diabetes later in life.

WOMEN WHO ALREADY HAVE DIABETES WHEN THEY BECOME PREGNANT
will experience some changes in blood glucose control.
If they are using insulin, they typically will experience
a decrease in insulin needs during the first half of
pregnancy, followed by an increase in insulin needs
during the latter part of pregnancy.

Each diabetic pregnancy is treated individually.
Pregnant diabetics need to be certain to consume adequate
calories, eat frequent small meals, check their blood
glucose frequently, and follow their doctor's advice.
Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for
pregnant diabetics.

DIABETES IN CHILDREN

Diabetes that occurs in childhood is almost always
insulin dependent diabetes (Type I). It is controlled
with insulin injections. Diabetic diets for children
must contain adequate calories, fat, and nutrients to
ensure adequate growth, in addition to controlling blood
glucose.

Diet planning with the help of a dietitian is especially
important for these children. A plant-based diet for
diabetic children should meet all of the above described
needs while being acceptable to the child.

THE GLYCEMIC INDEX

The glycemic index is a measure of the blood glucose
response to a particular food. Consumption of a food
with a high glycemic index value produces a significant
rise in blood glucose levels. The theory is that
consuming foods with lower glycemic index values will
help to maintain a normal blood glucose level.

As interesting as the glycemic index is, most
nutritionists consider it to be of little use. For one
thing, equal amounts of foods were compared rather than
normal serving sizes. Secondly, when foods are served as
part of a meal, along with other foods, this index
changes dramatically. Thus, a dinner of carrots alone
might cause a surge in blood sugar; but a meal of brown
rice, lentils, and carrots will have a very different
response.

NOTE FROM THE EDITORS: Since there is such conflicting
evidence concerning the glycemic index, our dietitians
questioned whether to include this section. However, we
left it in, since the glycemic index is mentioned in some
of the popular literature. We decided not to include
glycemic index values, since they are considered more
theory than fact at this time.

IN CONCLUSION, recommendations for control of diabetes
include a diet low in fat, particularly animal fat, to
control blood lipid levels and weight, and high in
carbohydrate and fiber to control blood glucose levels.
By replacing 6 ounces of meat with 1 1/2 cups of beans,
an individual can reduce dietary fat by over 10% and add
10 -25 grams of dietary fiber! She or he might save up
to 200 calories per day.

While few researchers actually recommend a vegetarian
diet per se for diabetes, it is clear that the vegetarian
pattern is closer to the recommendations than is the
typical American diet. Research and nutrition educators
are concerned that individuals will not be able to make
the diet changes necessary to achieve a high-
carbohydrate, high-fiber diet. For most vegetarians,
this type of diet is a way of life. A strict or lacto-ovo
vegetarian diet is not only allowable for diabetes, it
may be the preferred diet pattern.

RECIPES

Diabetics do not need special recipes. The key is to
choose vegetarian dishes that are low in fat and high in
fiber. Most vegan recipes fit the bill, but be careful
with lacto-ovo recipes. Eggs, whole milk, and cheese add
lots of saturated fat and have no fiber.

Since the diabetic diet is one which is low in saturated
fat and cholesterol, look for cookbooks that emphasize
low-fat cooking. Here are a few recommendations to get
you started.

Eat Smart for a Healthy Heart Cookbook, Copley and Moore,
Barrons, Woodbury, N.Y., 1987. Hardcover, $18.95

Dr. Anderson's HCF Diet: The New High-Fiber Low-
Cholesterol Way to Keep Slim and Healthy, Anderson, J.
Available from HCF Diabetes Foundation, Box 22124,
Lexington, KY 40522. Softcover, $5.00.

Low-Fat Cooking, Foley, L. (ed), Meredith Corporation,
Des Moines, IA. Hardcover, $6.95.

The Quick and Delicious Low-Fat, Low-Salt Cookbook, J.
Williams and G. Silverman, Perigee Books, N.Y.C., N.Y.
Softcover, $8.95.

The American Heart Association Cookbook, R. Eshleman, M.
Winston, Ballantine Books, N.Y.C., N.Y.

The Oats, Peas, Beans and Barley Cookbook, E. Cottrell,
Woodbridge Press, Santa Barabara, CA.

Jane Brody's Good Food Book, J. Brody, Bantam Books,
softcover $12.95.

REFERENCES

Anderson, et al. Professional Guide to HCF Diets, HCF
Diabetes Research Foundation, Inc., Lexington, KY., 1981.

Bantle, John. "The Dietary Treatment of Diabetes
Mellitus," Medical Clinics of North America, Vol. 72, No.
6, Nov. 1988, pp. 1285 -1299.

Anderson, James, et al. "Dietary Fiber and Diabetics: A
Comprehensive Review and Application," Journal of the
American Dietetic Association, Vol. 87, No. 9, September
1987, pp. 1189 -1197.

Wheeler, Madelyn. "Diet and Exercise in Noninsulin
Dependent Diabetes Mellitus: Implication for Dietitians
from the NIH Consensus Development Conference," Journal
of the American Dietetic Association, Vol. 87, No. 4,
April, 1987, pp. 480 - 485.

Snowdon, David and Phillips Roland. "Does a Vegetarian
Diet Reduce the Occurence of Diabetes?" American Journal
of Public Health, May, 1984, Vol. 75, No. 5, pp. 507 -
512.

The Surgeon General's Report on Nutrition and Health,
1988. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

A FEW WORDS ABOUT EXCHANGE LISTS

If you or someone you know is diabetic, you probably have
heard about the Exchange Lists for meal planning. This
is a diet planning tool used by many Type I diabetics to
achieve a consistent daily meal pattern. For a person
who takes insulin, a consistent calorie and carbohydrate
intake at each meal is important.

The Exchange Lists contain six food groups (starch, meat
(or protein), vegetable, fruit, milk, and fat).
Individuals are allowed a particular number of servings
in each group at each meal.

A quick look at the Exchange Lists reveals that while
they are usable by lacto-ovo vegetarians, their use by
vegans is more complicated. This represents a shortcoming
of the Exchange Lists -- not the vegan diet. The Lists
are based on the habits of the average omnivore and are
not the only means of achieving diabetic control. Vegan
diabetics can use the list with some modifications and
should insist on guidance from their health care provider
in doing so.

VEGAN DIABETICS: Vegan diabetics may substitute soy milk
for 2% cow's milk in the milk exchanges. However, if you
do not use soy milk, you may eliminate the milk exchanges
from your meal planning and use only the remaining five
lists. Be certain to include plenty of tofu (with a
calcium coagulant) and leafy green vegetables in your
diet to ensure adequate calcium intake.

EXCHANGES FOR SPECIAL VEGETARIAN FOODS

FOOD SERVING SIZE EXCHANGES

brewer's yeast 3 TB 1 bread
carob flour 1/8 Cup 1 bread
kefir 1 Cup 1 milk plus 1 fat
Loma Linda Veggie Links 1 oz. 1 high-fat meat
Morningstar Farms Grillers 1 oz. 1 high-fat meat
miso 3 TB 1 bread plus
1/2 lean meat
seaweeds, cooked 1/2 Cup 1 vegetable
soy flour 1/4 Cup 1 lean meat
plus 1/2 bread
soy grits, raw 1/8 Cup 1 lean meat
soy milk 1 Cup 1 milk plus 1 fat
tahini 1 teaspoon 1 fat
tempeh 4 oz. 1 bread plus
two protein
wheat germ 1 TB 1/2 bread (If you use large
amounts, may need to add a
fat exchange. Speak to your
dietitian.)

Remember that most diabetics are non-insulin dependent,
and most do not need to depend on exchange lists, though
some may. While we are including information about
exchange lists, note that for most peo-ple, Non-Insulin
Dependent Diabetes can be controlled through a low-fat,
high-carbohydrate meal plan with calorie control -- and
these diabetics do not need to follow a rigid diet
pattern using the exchanges. Consult your health care
provider for more information on your situation, and for
exchange lists if you need them.

NOTE TO DIETITANS: In my practice as a dietitian, I treat
legumes differently than the American Diabetes
Association Exchanges do. I always count 1/2 Cup of
legumes as 1/2 protein and one bread exchange, while ADA
just counts them as a bread. For a vegetarian, this
needs to be modified.

This article may be reproduced for non-commercial use
intact or with credit given to The Vegetarian Resource
Group. The contents of this article, as with all The
Vegetarian Resource Group publications, is not intended
to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice
should be obtained from a qualified health professional.

This article was originally published in the
VegetarianJournal_Reports

The Vegetarian Resource Group
P. O. Box 1463, Dept. IN
Baltimore, MD 21203

The Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG) is a non-profit
organization dedicated to educating the public on
vegetarianism and the interrelated issues of health,
nutrition, ecology, ethics, and world hunger. In
addition to publishing the _Vegetarian_Journal_, VRG
produces and sells cookbooks, other books, pamphlets, and
article reprints.

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hari....@indero.com

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The information jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. would have you read and
accept is very bad for a diabetic. It represents a food diet approach
now discredited as providing the worst outcomes for diabetics.

I encourage readers who are also diabetic to seek real professional
opinion and ignore this trash article.

harmony

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i have seen it at so many places vegetarians live longer and happier than
their meat eating neighbors. meat eating is for the cats and dogs.


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hari....@indero.com

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"i have seen it at so many places vegetarians live longer and happier
than
their meat eating neighbors. meat eating is for the cats and dogs."

Ah, you have put your finger on the problem, they should be eating the
cats and dogs.

Dutch

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"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote

>i have seen it at so many places vegetarians live longer and happier than
>their meat eating neighbors. meat eating is for the cats and dogs.

Simply untrue.

1) The societies with the greatest longevity invariably include meat in
their diets, such as Okinawa and The Mediterreanean diets.

2) Those who eat meat derive great satisfaction and joy from their food.
Vegetarians are constantly unsatisfied, finding they must create a story in
their minds of how compassionate they are in order to maintain their
self-denial.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Yes, and there are vegan/vegetarian-plus-synthesized
foods for pet cats and dogs as well.

In article <4a0c83b5$0$23781$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:

>
> i have seen it at so many places vegetarians live longer and happier than
> their meat eating neighbors. meat eating is for the cats and dogs.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

harmony

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May 14, 2009, 6:30:27 PM5/14/09
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thank goodness for that.
to snuff life out of fellow sentient being just to fatten yourself is what
the meat eaters colonialist brits did to hindus.

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hari....@indero.com

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"thank goodness for that. to snuff life out of fellow sentient being
just to fatten yourself is what the meat eaters colonialist brits did to
hindus."

What a horrble practice, it is a wonder that after eating so many that a
billion should be left.

hari....@indero.com

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May 14, 2009, 6:50:35 PM5/14/09
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"Yes, and there are vegan/vegetarian-plus-synthesized foods for pet cats
and dogs as well."

Oh silly boy jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., please do your homework.

Cats must eat meat for a protein they require and is only found in meat
and no plant sources. If there is a cat food with plants only and not
this meat derived hormone they quickly are dead.

The protein can be gotten seperatly of course and added to plants , and
of course its ultimate origin was meat.

One would think the best known sage of all of western hemisphere would
know this.

Dutch

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"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote
> thank goodness for that.
> to snuff life out of fellow sentient being just to fatten yourself is...

..what you and everyone else does.

There is no free lunch on this earth, every agricultural process extracts a
toll in animal death and suffering, that is the way it is.

I understand that you need to place yourself on this pedestal in order to
try to make all the self-sacrifice seem worthwhile.

Well, enjoy your mung beans and your status as a social outcast, I hope its
all worth it.

Don't be surprised though if someday you don't wake up to realize what a
dope you've been.


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Tea helps prevent cancer, arthritis: study

PTI
Monday, January 7, 2002

Tea, an antidote for environmentally induced diseases,
decreases the harmful effect of tobacco and could help
prevent tooth decay and diseases like cancer, arthritis,
tumours, diabetes and certain skin infections, a panel
discussion at the Indian Science Congress in Lukhnow felt.

Recent researches have proved that tea which contained
vitamins, flavonoids, proteins, poly-saccharides and poly-
phenols, helps in absorbing fats, provides self-resistance
and promotes blood circulation in a controlled way, the
discussion on "environment and health" said. According to a
research paper "Drinking of the millennium tea" presented
by a group of researchers led by Dr Hasan Mukhtar, tea has
the potential of giving quality to human health.

The session, chaired by an eminent scientist and former
Director of Central Drug Research Institute (CDRI), Prof
B.N. Dhawan, said the non-alcoholic beverage makes the
defence system of the body strong. PTI

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SuryaArya

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As did the Muslims.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4a0c9b85$0$23742$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:

>
> thank goodness for that.
> to snuff life out of fellow sentient being just to fatten yourself is what
> the meat eaters colonialist brits did to hindus.
>

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

and/or www.mantra.com/jai

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Please visit: http://www.pcrm.org

Forwarded message from Ted:

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

Since newsgroup posts are being removed
by forgery by one or more net terrorists,
this post may be reposted several times.

ex-PFC Wintergreen

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On Dec 13, 5:01 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Please visit:  http://www.pcrm.org

No. That is a thoroughly discredited propaganda site.

> Forwarded message from Ted:
>
> WHAT MIGHT BE THE GREATER LIFESPAN OF VEGETARIANS?

None. It is not documented in any way that vegetarians have a longer
expected lifespan.

Peter B

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95% of all dead people ate corn or a product of corn within 2 weeks
prior to their death


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On Dec 21, 3:03 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
> "ex-PFC Wintergreen" <notgen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Nonsense.

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