Captive EDUCATION!
Doug Cartlidge
of the captivity industry!! It also proves captive cetaceans
need *therapy*...in the traders own words!
Cetaceans need their FREEDOM - not painting lessons!!!!
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Feb 4, 2000 - 07:47 PM
Painting dolphin tries brush with greatness on Bay site
By LYNN PORTER
Clearwater Marine Aquarium's painting dolphin, Sunset
Sam, hasn't made much of a splash in cyberspace.
A 16-by-20-inch acrylic painting of his in royal blue,
pink, maroon, green and yellow slashes and priced at $1,500 had
received no bids by Thursday after being offered on the auction Web
site eBay since Jan. 27.
``We're pretty positive that it's not his product,
it's just the way we're presenting it,'' said Terri Hepburn, aquarium
assistant director.
A plan was devised this week to tweak the presentation
to increase interest, she said. The aquarium planned to put a
``picture in a picture'' on eBay: a photo of Sam painting along with
the work, Hepburn said. Previously, just the painting appeared.
Aquarium officials are concerned some people might shy
away from bidding, thinking the artwork is a ``fake'' - that there's
no such thing as a painting dolphin, Hepburn said.
``I don't think most people are used to seeing a dolphin
painting,'' she said. ``We have a painting dolphin and we're still
enamored by it.''
Sam creates in his tank, holding himself up by his
pectoral flippers and gripping a brush in his mouth, which he uses to
make brush strokes - usually short ones - across a canvas held by a
trainer.
The Atlantic bottlenose dolphin's artistic avocation
has created some controversy, with at least one animal activist
calling it ``no better than a dancing bear or a boxing kangaroo.''
Folks at the aquarium say that while Sam's painting
makes money for the place, it is really done mostly as therapy for
him, a diversion from his exercises and training.
A resident at the aquarium since 1984, Sam is partially
blind and has permanent liver damage. His painted T-shirts, posters,
lithographs and hats have raised an estimated $10,000 for the
aquarium's program to help stranded marine animals.
The painting on eBay comes with a certificate of authenticity
and an autobiography of Sam - much like you'd find on the dust jacket
of a book about a famous artist.
Aquarium officials are hoping someone will snap up the
artistic accomplishment - and soon. It goes off eBay at 7:05 p.m.
Sunday.
``Maybe somebody is just holding off to that last
minute,'' Hepburn said.
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Sick or what?
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DC
kind of "admission" that captive dolphins need
a "shrink".
The more appropriate term would be "enrichment" - which would describe
encouraging activities to stimulate the animal. During sesssions of such
activity the animal will benefit by interaction and affection, as well
as be mentally stimulated (with trainers and the public) and challenged
by learning a new behavior, and participating in a new activity. Since
the dolphin will be encouraged to "offer" variations of the brush
stroke, he will also be challenged mentally to think up new "strokes".
All of this aids in maintaining alertness and positive attitudes in the
animal. The
area of "enrichment" is becoming a major concern in zoos and aquariums
today, and animal care staffs are becoming very creative in finding ways
to stimulate their animals. Perhaps if you were a professional within
the field, you would be aware of that. But many who were terminated from
their positions over 10 years ago are unaware of this important area of
animal care.
While the concepr of "dolphin as Picasso" may strike many as "silly", it
demonstrates a positive effort by trainers to maintain and encourage a
healthy mental state in the dolphin. It is not "sick" at all.
What may be termed as "sick", would be a person so bitter about being
tossed out of the aquarium field, and not allowed back into it, that he
must use a positive activity like this behavior / enrichment as an
arguement against training dolphins. I would say that someone like that
would be in need of 'therapy" in order to cope with his feelings of
failure and rejection - perhaps its time to get on the couch, Mr
Cartiledge, because you demonstrate exactly those
"symptoms"....and that IS sick.
Doug C.
Doug Cartlidge
>I would say that "therapy" is a bad choice of word(s), rather than some
>kind of "admission" that captive dolphins need a "shrink".
I'm sure YOU would, but the majority of right minded folk would
agree with me!
>The more appropriate term would be "enrichment" - which would describe
>encouraging activities to stimulate the animal. During sesssions of such
>activity the animal will benefit by interaction and affection, as well
>as be mentally stimulated (with trainers and the public) and challenged
>by learning a new behavior, and participating in a new activity.
Two years ago I investigated every dolphin prison in Spain and
Portugal. Recent video of those facilities shows little to NOTHING has
changed in that time. The dolphins are doing EXACTLY the same tricks
day in day out, year in year out until they die...you call that
*enrichment?*
>Since the dolphin will be encouraged to "offer" variations of the brush
>stroke, he will also be challenged mentally to think up new "strokes".
>All of this aids in maintaining alertness and positive attitudes in the
>animal.
The only variation on *brush strokes* we filmed was which way their
teeth were *cleaned* with a toilet brush! I suppose a paint brush is
some kind of *improvement* on that.
>The area of "enrichment" is becoming a major concern in zoos and aquariums
>today, and animal care staffs are becoming very creative in finding ways
>to stimulate their animals. Perhaps if you were a professional within
>the field, you would be aware of that. But many who were terminated from
>their positions over 10 years ago are unaware of this important area of
>animal care.
Here you go again Cookie boy! Snide inferences are all you have to
battle with. If I were you I'd spend some time outside your cave and
look at the industry you are part of...*enrichment* to slave traders
is simply making as much £$ as they can off the backs of their slaves.
>While the concepr of "dolphin as Picasso" may strike many as "silly", it
>demonstrates a positive effort by trainers to maintain and encourage a
>healthy mental state in the dolphin. It is not "sick" at all.
But it IS anthropromorphic, something we hear so much about here when
folk compare cetacean feelings to their own. You can't have it all
your own way, choose one or the other Cookie boy! Either you are
exhibitting animals so people can *see* what they are truly like, or
you are *educating* Joe Public that they are clowns who *like* to
paint pretty pictures.
>What may be termed as "sick", would be a person so bitter about being
>tossed out of the aquarium field, and not allowed back into it, that he
>must use a positive activity like this behavior / enrichment as an
>arguement against training dolphins. I would say that someone like that
>would be in need of 'therapy" in order to cope with his feelings of
>failure and rejection - perhaps its time to get on the couch, Mr
>Cartiledge, because you demonstrate exactly those
>"symptoms"....and that IS sick.
Again, check your facts and TRY to be honest with folk. If you call
painting pictures *enrichment* why not get your slaves to paint their
prison cells while they're at it! They could also try catching their
own food, now THAT could be called enrichment, how many slave
camps do that? As for needing a couch, maybe you should try it to
bring you into the new millenium with some REAL feelings and humanity.
Doug Cartlidge
DC
does not diminish the value of enrichment.as a concept.
What IS important is that the animals are given new things to learn and
do. That is what stimulates them, and that is the desired end result.
"Painting" in itself
is not the aim of enrichment, even if public relations people make it
sound that way.
Attaching human traits to animals is fairly common, but apparently you
feel that it is ONLY appropriate when someone wants to describe dolphins
as "slaves" in order to
serve an AR agenda be it for money, or be it for revenge on an industry
that cast you out.
Doug
Doug Cartlidge
>Dwelling on the specific activity (in this case the act of "painting")
>does not diminish the value of enrichment.as a concept.
*Enrichment* is needed, mainly due to the archaic environment
provided in captivity. Barren concrete and a sterile captive
environment scream out for something...in your case *enrichment*, in
my case...CLOSE 'EM DOWN!
>
>What IS important is that the animals are given new things to learn and
>do.
So look at my comments on the dolphin slave camps in Spain & Portugal.
Cetaceans being forced to perform the same mundane tricks day in day
out, year in year out...do you consider that is right Cookie boy?
>Attaching human traits to animals is fairly common, but apparently you
>feel that it is ONLY appropriate when someone wants to describe dolphins
>as "slaves" in order to serve an AR agenda be it for money, or be it for revenge
>on an industry that cast you out.
Here you go again twisting and turning, remember, it's YOUR side who
put folk down whenever they hint at being anthropromophic! As for the
rest of your garbage...keep frothing at the mouth!!
spab
>
> European Cetacean Organisation
> England
>
> Tele/fax: +44 1903 241 264
> email: e...@eco1.co.uk
> homepage: www.eco1.co.uk
>
Hi!
I am all with doug Cartlige!
I think DC you're dreaming... :(
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Lord Angel 2000
Doug Cartlidge wrote:
> pier6s...@webtv.net (DC) wrote:
> >Dwelling on the specific activity (in this case the act of "painting")
> >does not diminish the value of enrichment.as a concept.
>
> *Enrichment* is needed, mainly due to the archaic environment
> provided in captivity. Barren concrete and a sterile captive
> environment scream out for something...in your case *enrichment*, in
> my case...CLOSE 'EM DOWN!
Am I getting this right: They have a dolphin that knows how to paint???
The only animal other than human that can "learn" how to paint are monkeys. If
monkeys are learning how to paint, then I do not see a reason why dolphin should not
be able to learn how to paint. Though, I am picturing a very messy painting from the
dolphins. :)
Does anyone have pictures of dolphins painting? How does this painting work? They
actually give paper, paint, and brushes to the dolphins for them to play with? This
is weird, but interesting. :)
>> Doug Cook
> Doug Cartlidge
>
>
> European Cetacean Organisation
> England
>
> Tele/fax: +44 1903 241 264
> email: e...@eco1.co.uk
> homepage: www.eco1.co.uk
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Kasatka
Lord Angel 2000 <ar...@NOSPAM.freeservers.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Doug Cook and Doug Cartlidge,
>
> Doug Cartlidge wrote:
>
> > pier6s...@webtv.net (DC) wrote:
> > >Dwelling on the specific activity (in this case the act of "painting")
> > >does not diminish the value of enrichment.as a concept.
> >
> > *Enrichment* is needed, mainly due to the archaic environment
> > provided in captivity. Barren concrete and a sterile captive
> > environment scream out for something...in your case *enrichment*, in
> > my case...CLOSE 'EM DOWN!
>
> Am I getting this right: They have a dolphin that knows how to paint???
>
> The only animal other than human that can "learn" how to paint are
monkeys. If
> monkeys are learning how to paint, then I do not see a reason why dolphin
should not
> be able to learn how to paint. Though, I am picturing a very messy
painting from the
> dolphins. :)
Some zoo had an elephant who painted by holding a paintbrush in his/her
trunk. They sold the paintings at the zoo, I think.
Kasatka
Dolphin
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"A 16-by-20-inch acrylic painting of his in royal blue, pink, maroon,
green and yellow slashes and priced at $1,500 had <...>"
In article <22338-38...@storefull-228.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
pier6s...@webtv.net (DC) wrote:
<SNIP>
> While the concepr of "dolphin as Picasso" may strike many as "silly",
> it demonstrates a positive effort by trainers to maintain and
> encourage a healthy mental state in the dolphin.
Ohh, and then trying to sell it at minimum $1,500 per piece. Suuure,
that dolphin will get all the money!
> It is not "sick" at all.
That's called "exploitation" and it IS sick! Dolphins need no money,
and providing that enrichment no way costs $1,500+ per one picture.
It's all about the profit, which oceanariums are all about, actually.
<SNIP>
> Doug C.
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In article <38A38485...@NOSPAM.freeservers.com>,
ar...@NOSPAM.freeservers.com wrote:
<SNIP>
> Does anyone have pictures of dolphins painting? How does this
> painting work? They actually give paper, paint, and brushes to the
> dolphins for them to play with? This is weird, but interesting. :)
<SNIP>
The method, I know, is people give a brush and dolphin holds it in the
mouth. Then they hold a paper and a dolphin touches a paper with that
brush. After several touches they change a brush to another one with
another paint and it repeats. I will try to grab a short video from the
documentary with that painting (need to find that tape first). In a
meantime, take a look at this picture:
http://www.don.sitek.net/home/aaz/38.htm
It's a page of one of my russian friends. Sorry, it's slow and the text
is in Russian, but the picture is by a dolphin. The only thing, that was
added by trainers is an "eye" of that "parrot" (they couldn't resist).
The hidden joke is that there is a well-known (in Russia) cartoon for
children, called "38 parrots", so the picture instantly has got a name
"38 parrots".
Dolphin.
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Lord Angel 2000
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> In article <38A38485...@NOSPAM.freeservers.com>,
> ar...@NOSPAM.freeservers.com wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > Does anyone have pictures of dolphins painting? How does this
> > painting work? They actually give paper, paint, and brushes to the
> > dolphins for them to play with? This is weird, but interesting. :)
> <SNIP>
>
> The method, I know, is people give a brush and dolphin holds it in the
> mouth. Then they hold a paper and a dolphin touches a paper with that
> brush. After several touches they change a brush to another one with
> another paint and it repeats. I will try to grab a short video from the
> documentary with that painting (need to find that tape first). In a
> meantime, take a look at this picture:
>
> http://www.don.sitek.net/home/aaz/38.htm
>
> It's a page of one of my russian friends. Sorry, it's slow and the text
> is in Russian, but the picture is by a dolphin. The only thing, that was
> added by trainers is an "eye" of that "parrot" (they couldn't resist).
> The hidden joke is that there is a well-known (in Russia) cartoon for
> children, called "38 parrots", so the picture instantly has got a name
> "38 parrots".
Cool, that is a good painting. I never knew dolphins could paint. :)
FROM ANOTHER POST
Quoted by Doug Cook:
>> While the concept of "dolphin as Picasso" may strike many as "silly",
>>it demonstrates a positive effort by trainers to maintain and
>> encourage a healthy mental state in the dolphin.
Dolphin replies:
>Ohh, and then trying to sell it at minimum $1,500 per piece. Suuure,
>that dolphin will get all the money!
I do not see a problem with zoos selling the paintings by the dolphins,
but for $1500??? What a rip-off! Ok, there are rare paintings made by
animals, but I still think selling a painting made by a dolphin for 1.5K is
too much! I hope they are a non-profit facility.
I know that the zoo that had the monkeys painting sold some to the
public, but I don't think it was as expensive as the dolphin's painting.
Hopefully, some of the money will go on better brushes, training, and
food for the dolphins.
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Lord Angel 2000 <ar...@NOSPAM4ME.freeservers.com> wrote:
> I do not see a problem with zoos selling the paintings by the dolphins,
>but for $1500???
If someone's wiling to pay it, why not?
It seems quite a few animals are fascinated by painting... there's a book
out with a collection of paintings by cats titled "why cats paint". Though
it doesn't actually answer the question why they do it, it's pretty
interesting anyway.
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>
> The only animal other than human that can "learn" how to paint are
>monkeys. If
>monkeys are learning how to paint, then I do not see a reason why dolphin
>should not
>be able to learn how to paint.
We trained a sea lion to paint for a particular shot in a movie.