Toronto, Ontario - New Proposed pet bylaws banning many of the animals we keep!
lizar...@geocities.com
Im sorry to post this to the lists as it's sort of off topic to many, but I
think some of you, Particularly Canadians from Ontario- especially the Toronto
area, will find this extremely important. So please pardon the intrusion.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO OTHER LISTS OR NEWSGROUPS, CO-WORKERS, SOCIETIES ECT
.. THE ANIMAL KEEPERS OF TORONTO NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION ... AND THESE
BY-LAWS ARE JUST THE START, IT MAY SPREAD THROUGHOUT ONTARIO ... SO ANYONE IN
ONTARIO THAT OWNS A PET SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION.
The NEW Toronto City council has been discussing newly reformed proposed
by-laws regarding the care of animals in the city of Toronto. The Toronto
Board of Health is drafting the by-law, along with the help of Liz White,
Director, Animal Alliance of Canada, and Holy Penfound, Director, Zoocheck
Canada Inc. (Known animal rights activists).
These new by-laws will be voted on as early as mid-December, and may come
into effect on April 1st, 1998. They have apparently been in discussion since
June or so of '98 but since very few societies concerned with the keeping of
many of the prohibited or restricted animals were consulted with most people
did not find out about these proposed by-laws until mid-October. :(
We have very little time to make a difference! There is a public meeting
with the board of health from 9:30 am until midnight on Dec. 1st, 1998. The
meeting will be held in Council Chambers, 2nd flr., Metro Hall, 55 John St.
(up from the Skydome). You must register if you would like to speak before
the board, please call 392-7039 to register.
These by-laws affect people who own cats, dogs (no straying, muzzling,
microchiping and spaying, registration and liscences too!), rabbits, ferrets
.... Here is a sample list of the prohibited animals (some are ridiculous!
and many are already covered by federal laws!), However if you would like to
view the full list of prohibited animals and the regulations and liscensing
fees etc please go to:
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/8401/ Toronto by-laws that may make
keeping your pet ILLEGAL!
PROHIBITED ANIMALS
MAMMALS
coyotes, wolves, foxes, hybrid wolf dogs, except dogs; beluga whales, orca,
whales, dolphins; bats Such as fruit bats, myotis, flying foxes; such us
anteater, sloths, armadillos; tigers, leopards, cougars, except cats; hyaenas;
hedgehogs and shrews; such as rabbits, hares, pikas, except domesticated
European rabbits and crosses thereof; Marsupials (such as kangaroos, opossums,
wallabies, sugar gliders); mink, skunks, weasels, otters, badgers, except a
ferret; seals, sea lions, walruses; chimpanzees, gorillas, monkeys, lemurs;
elephants; raccoons, coatimundi, cacomistles; chinchilla, porcupines, flying
squirrels, prairie dogs, woodchucks, pocket gophers, and kangaroo rats; except
domesticated Norway rat, Black rat, House mouse, gerbils, hamsters and guinea
pigs; manatees, dugongs; cattle, goats, sheep, pot-bellied pigs; horses,
donkeys, jackasses, mules;
BIRDS
ducks, geese, swan; scremers; swifts, tree-swifts, hummingbirds;
whip-poor-will, nighthawks, oilbird; gulls, terns, oystercatchers, Ibisbill,
stone-curlews, plovers, sandpipers, snipe, puffins, guillernots; herons,
storks, shoebill, Ibises, spoonbills; Mousebirds; pigeons, doves,
sandgrouse, except domesticated species such as the Rock Dove and Ringed
Turtle Dove; kingfishers, bee-eaters, rollers, hornbills; Turacos and
cuckoos, Including roadrunners, Coueals, anis; diurnal raptors such as
vultures, condors, hawks, falcons, ospreys, eagles; pheasants, grouse,
guineafouls, and turkeys; loons or divers; cranes, tumpeters, rails, crakes,
coots, moorhens; swallows, martins, wrens, mockingbirds, chickadees,
nuthatchers, cardinals, orioles, meadowlarks, finches, sparrows, starlings,
crows, jays, ravens) Except species derived from self-sustaining captive
populations such as canaries, mynahs, and finches; pelicans, gannets.
cormorants, anhingas, frigatebirds; flamingos; toucans, woodpeckers; grebes;
albatrosses, petrels, shearwaters; parrots, lorries, cockatoos, lovebirds,
parakeets. macaws, except domesticated species derived from self-sustaining
captive populations such as cockatiels and budgerigars; penguins; owls;
flightless rattites such as ostriches, rheas, cassowaries, emus, kiwis; other
rattites known as tinamous such as crested tinamou; trogons, Including the
quetzals
REPTILES
alligators, crocodiles, Gavials; tuatarus; Squamata (such as lizards, snakes)
which are larger than 1 metre and of the families: Anomalephididae (blind
snakes); Atractaspididae (mole vipers); Boidae (such as boa, python,
anaconda) which may grow larger than 2 metres; Colubridae (such as mangrove
snakes, Island racers, glossy snakes); Crdylidae (such as Spiny tail
lizards); Dibamidae (such as blind Skinks, Mexican Blind Lizard); Elapidea.
(such as Peron's Seasnake, Desert Death Adder, Bardick Snake); Gekkonidae
(only the Tokay gecko); Gymnophthalmidae (such as Arhrossaura, Bachia,
Mlcroteiid, Tegu, Neusticurus); Helodermidae (Gila Monsters); Iguanidae (only
Iguana iguana); Teiidae (such as Teiids, ameiva, whiptail, Iightbulb
lizards); Viperidae (such as Cantil, Puff adder, Green Bush Viper, Prairie
Rattlesnake); Testudines (turtles and tortoises)
AMPHIBIANS
Anura of the families Ascaphidae (tailed Frogs)
Dendrobatidae (such as Skunk frog, Blue Poison Frog)
Leiopelmatidae (such as Coromandel New Zealand Frog)
Rhinodermatidae (such as Darwin's Frog, Mexican Burrowing Toad)
Sooglossidae (such as Tomasset's Frog, Seychelles Frog)
Caudata of the family Cryptobranchidae (such as hellbenders, Chinese Giant
Salamander)
INVERTEBRATES
Arachnids (such as scorpions, tarantulas)
OTHER
All venomous reptiles, amphibians and Invertebrates
Animals not indigenous to Canada that have been taken from the wild at any
stage of development including eggs or embryos
All species of fauna which have been classified as endangered or threatened
with extinction by any one of the Committee on the Status of Endangered
Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC), Appendix I of the Convention on International
Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) or the International Union for the
Conservation of Nature (IUCN).
Thank you for your time, sorry for interupting your list. Please get the
word out! We need lots of people at the Dec 1st meeting and any other public
forums that are held. You can also help by calling your local council member
and discussing these issues.
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Terry Danks
>
> The NEW Toronto City council has been discussing newly reformed proposed
>by-laws regarding the care of animals in the city of Toronto. The Toronto
>Board of Health is drafting the by-law, along with the help of Liz White,
>Director, Animal Alliance of Canada, and Holy Penfound, Director, Zoocheck
>Canada Inc. (Known animal rights activists).
>[big snip]
I am not too sure how to take this post. First there is that "(Known
animal rights activists)" phrase. This is bad, is it?
Seems like a good idea to me to restrict, nay criminalize, the
"ownership" of exotic animals. NOBODY IMO has a right to
keep a boa constrictor as a "pet"... or a tiger, or any other "wild"
creature not domesticated. It is a practice just too fraught with
problems and all too frquently ends up badly for the animal.
That said, of course there will be difficulties that I can not
address. If someone takes in an injured robin and, for whatever
reason, is unable to release it back to the wild, what will happen?
I don't know, but I do not believe "exotics" should be turned into
pets for our amusement.
Just call me one of them blankety-blank animal-rights people. Ohh,
what a stinging rebuke to be so labeled!
Terry Danks
Nova Scotia
CANADA
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/danksta/home.htm
zerg...@my-dejanews.com
> Seems like a good idea to me to restrict, nay criminalize, the
> "ownership" of exotic animals. NOBODY IMO has a right to
> keep a boa constrictor as a "pet"... or a tiger, or any other "wild"
> creature not domesticated. It is a practice just too fraught with
> problems and all too frquently ends up badly for the animal.
> That said, of course there will be difficulties that I can not
> address. If someone takes in an injured robin and, for whatever
> reason, is unable to release it back to the wild, what will happen?
> I don't know, but I do not believe "exotics" should be turned into
> pets for our amusement.
I agree that there is something wrong with keeping certain animals such as
tigers and wolves (VERY hard to take care of) but the law is way too strict.
Many people own hedgehogs, chinchillas and other DOMESTICATED animals on the
list which have been bred and raised in captivity. These small animals are
not difficult to take care of and they can make very good pets so what's
wrong with having them?
Walk'N'Sit Dogs
Terry Danks wrote in message <365c3b61....@news1.sympatico.ca>...
proposed
>>by-laws regarding the care of animals in the city of Toronto. The
Toronto
>>Board of Health is drafting the by-law, along with the help of Liz White,
>>Director, Animal Alliance of Canada, and Holy Penfound, Director, Zoocheck
>>Canada Inc. (Known animal rights activists).
>
>I am not too sure how to take this post. First there is that "(Known
>animal rights activists)" phrase. This is bad, is it?
>
>"ownership" of exotic animals. NOBODY IMO has a right to
>keep a boa constrictor as a "pet"... or a tiger, or any other "wild"
>creature not domesticated. It is a practice just too fraught with
>problems and all too frquently ends up badly for the animal.
>That said, of course there will be difficulties that I can not
>address. If someone takes in an injured robin and, for whatever
>reason, is unable to release it back to the wild, what will happen?
>I don't know, but I do not believe "exotics" should be turned into
>pets for our amusement.
Regarding the exotic pets is only a protion of the what the purpose
legislation is doing.
There are some things i agree with the new legislation one been that cat's
should be liciensed. I live in Toronto and rarely see a loose dog in my time
of walking dogs, but see an amazing amount of cats. I habe nothing against
cats but i do blieve there should be some restrictions. I also agree that
SOME exotic pets should not be allowed but not all of them. You have some
very good responisible owners to these pets that take great care of them.
Should they be penalized or not have the freedom of choice of pet? I am not
fond of having a bird as a pet muyself but why should someone who loves
exotic birds & takes care of them not have them?
Now a part of the legislation does effect my business. (Dog Walker). If this
legislation goes through. I am only allowed to walk 3 dogs at a time. I as a
rule will only walk 4 at a time. So by going down to 3 effects my business
cause i would have to come up with another way of dealing with that 4th dog.
How do i choose if i cant walk that 4th dog that sorry you wil have to get
someone else. I am to lose business cause of irresonsible walkers? Hmmm so
instead of punishing that individual punish them all.. i dont agree with it.
I do understand the bases of that part. I have seen myself someone walking
with 5 or more dogs & they dont have control. (not all just some) Any
responsible dog walker will only take 4. If they take more i would be gonig
to another dog walker myself. How many pets can you have in N.S.?
Can you have more than 3 of each?
Are you able to have exotic pets of your choice?
I believe that this legislation is too restricited in some ways. That is
major compliant
This is just one pup's opinion !!!
Happy Wagging!!!
Colliepup
Bullmarket
"Walk'N'Sit Dogs" <coll...@home.com> wrote:
> Now a part of the legislation does effect my business. (Dog Walker). If this
> legislation goes through. I am only allowed to walk 3 dogs at a time. I as a
> rule will only walk 4 at a time. So by going down to 3 effects my business
> cause i would have to come up with another way of dealing with that 4th dog.
This is not my understanding of the by laws. It was explained to me that
the prohibition is from owning more than 3 dogs, not from 'having control
of' more than 3 for a limited time period.
I actually had this clarified, as at one time I was at the 3 dog limit,
and agreed to care for a friend's 2 while she went to the UK. I was told
that as long I could prove that 2 of the 5 did not belong to me, I was
exempt. As a dog walker, this would be as simple as having owners sign a
form confirming that they own the dogs you are caring for.
As well, if you are a lic. dog day care operation, your permit will permit
you to be over the limit based on the same exemption.
My main problem with this is the mandatory spay/neuter clause, purely on
the basis of the fact that I show, but I understand that there will also
be exemptions in place for this. Apparently a clause to the effect of
"dogs or cats kept for the purpose of exhibition in pure bred shows and
events" is how they plan to handle it.
The horse thing is odd, tho' - where does that leave the stables at the
CNE? Boarding and lessons to the public are available there, and it's also
where the Toronto Police Dept.'s horses are kept. There's also, altho few
people know it, still a very large stable right in North York.
Carol
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Walk'N'Sit Dogs
Bullmarket wrote in message ...
>In article <xrm72.1002$Pc1.1...@news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>,
>"Walk'N'Sit Dogs" <coll...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>This is not my understanding of the by laws. It was explained to me that
>the prohibition is from owning more than 3 dogs, not from 'having control
>of' more than 3 for a limited time period.
PART IV
DOGS
(4)No person shall have more than 3 dogs under his or her control at any
time while off the premises of the owner or owners of the dog or dogs.
I interpret this new section to apply to my business
wouldn't you?
This has been also been on the news & in the newspapers regarding this
issue.
>As well, if you are a lic. dog day care operation, your permit will permit
>you to be over the limit based on the same exemption
If they exmept dog walkers (which are not under any licensed dog care
operation).
That is another issue altogether different. Then that would be fine. They
would then though probably have to license us too. Then there would be all
whole new set of legislation for that.
It isnt that i couldnt control 5 dogs. I choose to only take 4 at a time.
You are correct about having 3 dogs in ownership. Now the example u gave
regarding having 5 dogs ( 2 not yours) you would have to take 2 different
walks under this new legislation.
>
.
>
>My main problem with this is the mandatory spay/neuter clause, purely on
>the basis of the fact that I show, but I understand that there will also
>be exemptions in place for this. Apparently a clause to the effect of
>"dogs or cats kept for the purpose of exhibition in pure bred shows and
>events" is how they plan to handle it.
It kinda takes the freedom out of it. my own dogs are spayed/neutered. My
female though did have 3 ( planned) litters of purebred collies. I chose to
have mine done. It doesnt mean though everyone SHOULD have to. I do see
exceptions to that though. If you were to get a dog from the humane society
or another type of rescue dog.
>
>The horse thing is odd, tho' - where does that leave the stables at the
>CNE? Boarding and lessons to the public are available there, and it's also
>where the Toronto Police Dept.'s horses are kept. There's also, altho few
>people know it, still a very large stable right in North York.
Well see we all have points that effect us in one way or another. It is very
important to go to the council meeting on december 1. So they we can voice
these opinions.
Hope to see you there !!!!
Happy Wagging!!!
Colliepup
Dog Game SuperStar
> PART IV
> DOGS
> (4)No person shall have more than 3 dogs under his or her control at any
> time while off the premises of the owner or owners of the dog or dogs.
>
> I interpret this new section to apply to my business
> wouldn't you?
> This has been also been on the news & in the newspapers regarding this
> issue.
>
> >As well, if you are a lic. dog day care operation, your permit will permit
> >you to be over the limit based on the same exemption
>
> If they exmept dog walkers (which are not under any licensed dog care
> operation).
> That is another issue altogether different. Then that would be fine.
No it wouldn't be fine. Wake Up! You let them pass this
legislation, and next year, they will cut it down to two
dogs. Fight every law tooth and nail. It's time to start
fighting like dogs over all this legislation. It's time to
start baring our teeth.
No, it's not going to be fine,
specially if you think it is.
The SuperStar
Surveys the Beach before launching the Assault on Erie
http://changethemuzzle.com/FaceLake2.jpg
From the Video in Progress
DOGZ ALLOWED
taking dogz where they ain't allowed,
and getting away with it, Bitch!
> Happy Wagging!!!
>
> Colliepup
Walk'N'Sit Dogs
--
Dog Game SuperStar wrote in message <36624DF4...@earthlink.net>...
>Walk'N'Sit Dogs wrote:
>>
>No it wouldn't be fine. Wake Up! You let them pass this
>legislation, and next year, they will cut it down to two
>dogs. Fight every law tooth and nail. It's time to start
>fighting like dogs over all this legislation. It's time to
>start baring our teeth.
>
>No, it's not going to be fine,
>specially if you think it is.
gee am glad u didn't include the part about seeing the person there at city
hall..
I will be there to speak and fight the legislation.. ( I did feel by saying
"Hope to see you there !!!!") implied to anyone that I will be there to do
so ... please excuse me for assuming some common sense here.
Happy Wagging!!!
Colliepup