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Sound of Trumpet

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Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)

Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet

Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter

Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
just like Michael “Mucko” McDermott, the lone gunman behind the
devastating workplace killings at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield in
2000.

Bishop, now a University of Alabama professor, and her husband James
Anderson met and fell in love in a Dungeons & Dragons club while
biology students at Northeastern University in the early 1980s, and
were heavily into the fantasy role-playing board game, a source told
the Herald.

“They even acted this crap out,” the source said.

When questioned about it yesterday, Anderson, 45, a research scientist
in Huntsville, Ala., dismissed the egghead escape as “a passing
interest. It was a social thing more than anything else. It’s not the
crazy group people think they are.”

McDermott studied engineering at Northeastern in the late 1980s, but
Anderson said he never met him. Police seized two Dungeons & Dragons
books from McDermott’s Haverhill apartment after he shot seven co-
workers to death on Dec. 26, 2000.

The popular fantasy role-playing game has a long history of
controversy, with objections raised to its demonic and violent
elements. Some experts have cited the D&D backgrounds of people who
were later involved in violent crimes, while others say it just a
game. A federal appeals court recently upheld a prison ban on the game
in Wisconsin, where prison officials reportedly testified they were
afraid the game could promote “hostility, violence and escape
behavior.”

Quadibloc

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17 févr. 2010, 06:27:4017/02/2010
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On Feb 17, 1:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
quoted, in part:

> The popular fantasy role-playing game has a long history of
> controversy, with objections raised to its demonic and violent
> elements.

If you call "controversy" being objected to by people on the lunatic
fringe, yes.

John Savard

Michael Grosberg

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17 févr. 2010, 08:03:0317/02/2010
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On Feb 17, 10:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:

I have it on good sources that 100% of mass murderers wore shoes. The
nazis also wore shoes. Hitler swore by them, he was never caught
barefoot in public! I think we should ban shoes altogether, just to be
safe.

Jimbo

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17 févr. 2010, 08:42:3717/02/2010
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On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -


What has that to do with alt.atheism?

Jimbo

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17 févr. 2010, 08:45:1417/02/2010
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On Feb 17, 8:03 am, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Holy shit! I never saw that before!! I have to run out and launch a
world-wide media campaign to have shoes outlawed! I'll have to write
a best selling novel titled "Shoes: The Murder Connection", maybe even
start a reality shoe featuring people that live without shoes! Oh the
horrors of shoes!!!

Quadibloc

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17 févr. 2010, 08:59:5017/02/2010
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Well, you see, good healthy young boys go to church on Sundays and
enjoy themselves with healthy forms of recreation like football,
soccer, hockey and baseball.

Then there are these freaks and loners who don't make friends with
everyone else, and who think they're better than other people! Losers
like that end up involved in weird things! They might get confused by
foreign demagogues, and support radical ideologues who want to
overthrow our wonderful free enterprise system. Or they might still be
patriotic Americans, but take that good thing just a little too far,
and become violent white supremacists. They could even end up as
homosexuals!

Those are the kind of people who go around shooting up schools! And
they're also the ones who try to ridicule God-fearing Americans by
claiming that Darwinism is more "scientific" than the account of the
origin of life by the Creator of life Himself!

*This* is what that had to do with alt.atheism. If we could just ban
those awful TV shows like Star Trek, there would be less chances for
the forces of Satan to warp our kids' minds!

So, basically, it's like this - if it happens that a killer is found
to play D&D, then instead of this being taken as either

- maybe just a coincidence; a lot of people play D&D, or

- if, indeed, some maladjusted people are drawn to activities like
D&D, maybe we need to do something about bullying and cliquishness in
the schools,

no, by God, we'll use this evidence to justify a witch-hunt against
all the people who don't buy into our brand of conservative
Christianity, so that the Taliban will have nothing on us when it
comes to mind control!

So a declaration of war against atheists is definitely on topic for
alt.atheism, and you should recognize what the real agenda behind
Sound of Trumpet's posting is.

John Savard

Chris

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17 févr. 2010, 09:35:1117/02/2010
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There is speculation that Dr. Bishop never played the oboe while tap-
dancing in a zoot suit, either.

If you have never tap danced in a zoot suit while playing an oboe, you
are likely to be a mass murderer too!

Chris

Ilya2

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17 févr. 2010, 11:40:4217/02/2010
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On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts

I clicked on Free Republic link to read the comments. Almost all
commenters think Laurel Sweet is an idiot.

Same on Boston Herald website, where it was originally published.

Ilya2

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17 févr. 2010, 11:46:5617/02/2010
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Actually, on Boston Herald website it seems to be 100%. I especially
liked this comment:

"I'm pretty sure that it is quite a stretch to be calling McDermott a
'devotee' of the D&D game in the same article where it mentions that
police seized two books on the game from his apartment. That would be
more 'passing interest that went nowhere'. In fact, I would take it as
far as 'thought about it and decided he didn't like it'.

You're off by a few orders of magnitude to use devotee. 20 books will
get you 'regular player' and perhaps 200 would qualify you for
devotee.

Thank you for playing, Laurel, you fail, please try again."

Mike Schilling

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17 févr. 2010, 11:54:2017/02/2010
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Laurel's alignment is "chaotic moron".


Boo Radley

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17 févr. 2010, 12:44:1617/02/2010
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">Michael Grosberg" <grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:be2f60bc-8d7c-4482-ba46->ae374b...@i39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...


BURN THE SHOES! SATAN LOVES SHOES! KILL ANYONE WEARING SHOES! ONWARD
CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!!!

I just hope that someone has the good common sense to keep shoes off their
children's feet. Jesus never wore shoes and neither should anyone else.

But I also heard that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Janeane Garofalo and
Barack Obama breathe air. I am calling on all christians to stop breathing
air immediately, make sure everyone of your congregation know about this
call and immediately adhere to the law of Jesus. Jesus didn't need air, he
was god, god's son and a Zombie.

Ilya2

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17 févr. 2010, 13:16:1817/02/2010
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> > Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
>
> What has that to do with alt.atheism?

In SoT's brain[1] atheism, communism, socialism, Islam, rock-and-roll,
D&D, contraceptives, homosexuality, mass murderers, wicca and Pokemon
(to name a few), all come from Satan and all are interchangeable.

[1]OK, in the game of whack-a-mole he keeps in place of brain

Syd M.

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17 févr. 2010, 15:40:3317/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
> just like Michael “Mucko” McDermott, the lone gunman behind the
> devastating workplace killings at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield in
> 2000.
>

Big deal, Sound Of Stupidity... Does that mean that all D&D's are
murder suspect?
My brother played the game, and he's far from a murderer.

PDW

MarkA

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17 févr. 2010, 15:42:5517/02/2010
à

Follow the gourd!

--
MarkA
(This space temporarily unavailable)

Robert Carnegie

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17 févr. 2010, 16:00:2317/02/2010
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I'm not sure about the 100%, but I believe this woman didn't just hear
ordinary shoes. I think a cow was killed and those shoes were made of
the skin taken from its corpse.

Always the quiet ones, isn't it!

T Guy

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17 févr. 2010, 18:50:0817/02/2010
à
(Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> ):

> > What has that to do with alt.atheism?

(Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca>):

> Well, you see, good healthy young boys go to church on Sundays and
> enjoy themselves with healthy forms of recreation like football,

> soccer, hockey and baseball...


>
> *This* is what that had to do with alt.atheism. If we could just ban
> those awful TV shows like Star Trek, there would be less chances for
> the forces of Satan to warp our kids' minds!
>
> So, basically, it's like this - if it happens that a killer is found
> to play D&D, then instead of this being taken as either
>
> - maybe just a coincidence; a lot of people play D&D, or
>
> - if, indeed, some maladjusted people are drawn to activities like
> D&D, maybe we need to do something about bullying and cliquishness in
> the schools,
>
> no, by God, we'll use this evidence to justify a witch-hunt against
> all the people who don't buy into our brand of conservative
> Christianity, so that the Taliban will have nothing on us when it
> comes to mind control!
>
> So a declaration of war against atheists is definitely on topic for
> alt.atheism, and you should recognize what the real agenda behind
> Sound of Trumpet's posting is.

(T Guy):

An excellent presentation of the case, John, which I wish I had
written myself.

I do admire your restraint in not pointing out that research suggests
that actual criminals - that is, people who are in jail because after
a trial they were found guilty of a crime - are overwhelmingly
Christians.

T Guy

D.F. Manno

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17 févr. 2010, 19:05:4117/02/2010
à
In article
<bb13e49d-7d11-4247...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@dcemail.com> wrote:

> Subject: Mass Murdering Professor Was Fan Of Demonic "Game" Dungeons &
> Dragons

Since when does three kills constitute "Mass Murder"?

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts

That answers the question: when it provides a hobbyhorse for the nutball
Freepers.

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
intelligent are full of doubt. (Bertrand Russell)

Moriarty

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17 févr. 2010, 19:11:1217/02/2010
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On Feb 18, 3:46 am, Ilya2 <il...@rcn.com> wrote:

<Snip>

> Actually, on Boston Herald website it seems to be 100%. I especially
> liked this comment:
>
> "I'm pretty sure that it is quite a stretch to be calling McDermott a
> 'devotee' of the D&D game in the same article where it mentions that
> police seized two books on the game from his apartment. That would be
> more 'passing interest that went nowhere'. In fact, I would take it as
> far as 'thought about it and decided he didn't like it'.
>
> You're off by a few orders of magnitude to use devotee. 20 books will
> get you 'regular player' and perhaps 200 would qualify you for
> devotee.

Disagree with that. I'm a D&D devotee in that I play once a week and
have done on and off since ~1980. However I only own 5 D&D books, 7
if you count the first edition AD&D Players Handbook and DM's Guide,
long in dis-use. One of my friends who plays with us only owns the PH
(3.5ed) which, if you're not going to DM, is all you really *need*.

PS Don't argue with me on this point. As a D&D devotee, I'm obviously
socially maladjusted and probably homicidal. There's no telling what
I'll do if provoked.

-Moriarty

Will in New Haven

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17 févr. 2010, 19:31:1417/02/2010
à

We weren't playing long before it became _extremely_ rare for any of
the players to buy any of TSR's books. I had some of the references
and one or two of the original group had the Player Handbook. Then we
stopped playing D&D and started playing by our own rules, for which
there _were_ no books. Then we published our rules and sold all the
copies at a con in New Jersey and realized we STILL didn't have a
book. So we published a second edition for us.

--
Will in New Haven

Michael Price

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17 févr. 2010, 19:38:3217/02/2010
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_Convicted_ criminals are overwhelmingly Christian, maybe the guys
smart enough not to get caught are all atheists.

Michael Price

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17 févr. 2010, 19:40:4317/02/2010
à

Is Laurel smart enough to know that "please try again" is only an
expression?

Michael Price

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17 févr. 2010, 19:42:2417/02/2010
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On Feb 18, 11:05 am, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <bb13e49d-7d11-4247-af7d-f748f8cdd...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

>  Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Subject: Mass Murdering Professor Was Fan Of Demonic "Game" Dungeons &
> > Dragons
>
> Since when does three kills constitute "Mass Murder"?
>
It constitutes a serial killer, I'd guess that means if they all
happen in the same incident that makes a "mass murderer".

> >http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> That answers the question: when it provides a hobbyhorse for the nutball
> Freepers.
>
> --

> D.F. Manno | dfma...@mail.com

Mike Schilling

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17 févr. 2010, 20:14:0517/02/2010
à

I hear ex-cows, and they don't know they're dead!


Mike Schilling

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17 févr. 2010, 20:17:2417/02/2010
à
Will in New Haven wrote:
> We weren't playing long before it became _extremely_ rare for any of
> the players to buy any of TSR's books. I had some of the references
> and one or two of the original group had the Player Handbook. Then we
> stopped playing D&D and started playing by our own rules, for which
> there _were_ no books. Then we published our rules and sold all the
> copies at a con in New Jersey and realized we STILL didn't have a
> book. So we published a second edition for us.

"We've sold every last book!"

"That must earn us experience points."

"I don't think so."

"Of course it does."

"How many"?

"I'm not sure, but I'll look it up in the .... Oh, bugger."


Mike Schilling

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17 févr. 2010, 20:18:2417/02/2010
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I'd guess "no", but I wouldn't bet more than the GDP of the US on it.


Spartakus

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17 févr. 2010, 21:18:5017/02/2010
à
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -

Ah yes, grooving with the classics...

JohnN

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17 févr. 2010, 21:50:3417/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>

wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
> just like Michael “Mucko” McDermott, the lone gunman behind the
> devastating workplace killings at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield in
> 2000.
>
> Bishop, now a University of Alabama professor, and her husband James
> Anderson met and fell in love in a Dungeons & Dragons club while
> biology students at Northeastern University in the early 1980s, and
> were heavily into the fantasy role-playing board game, a source told
> the Herald.
>
> “They even acted this crap out,” the source said.
>
> When questioned about it yesterday, Anderson, 45, a research scientist
> in Huntsville, Ala., dismissed the egghead escape as “a passing
> interest. It was a social thing more than anything else. It’s not the
> crazy group people think they are.”
>
> McDermott studied engineering at Northeastern in the late 1980s, but
> Anderson said he never met him. Police seized two Dungeons & Dragons
> books from McDermott’s Haverhill apartment after he shot seven co-
> workers to death on Dec. 26, 2000.

>
> The popular fantasy role-playing game has a long history of
> controversy, with objections raised to its demonic and violent
> elements. Some experts have cited the D&D backgrounds of people who
> were later involved in violent crimes, while others say it just a
> game. A federal appeals court recently upheld a prison ban on the game
> in Wisconsin, where prison officials reportedly testified they were
> afraid the game could promote “hostility, violence and escape
> behavior.”

She's one of those damn uppity air breathers too!

JohnN

JohnN

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17 févr. 2010, 21:52:1117/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 8:03 am, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com>
wrote:

A lot of Christians go to church in shoes. It has something to do
with their soles.

JohnN

Howard Brazee

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17 févr. 2010, 22:12:3917/02/2010
à
Posting from rec.arts.sf.written:

I bet there was some old movie that he was a fan of as well.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Smiler

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17 févr. 2010, 22:54:0817/02/2010
à

No! No! The sandal is the one true sign.
Follow the sandal!

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer


Matt Hughes

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17 févr. 2010, 23:14:1217/02/2010
à
On 17 Feb, 18:52, JohnN <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> A lot of Christians go to church in shoes.  It has something to do
> with their soles.

You'd think they'd want to go barefoot, to save their soles.

Matt Hughes
http://www.archonate.com

Shawn Wilson

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18 févr. 2010, 12:59:0918/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 1:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:

> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -


> just like Michael “Mucko” McDermott, the lone gunman behind the
> devastating workplace killings at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield in
> 2000.


That makes me so MAD!!! I think I'll grab my guns and shoot up a
school or something... That'll show THEM.

Shawn Wilson

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18 févr. 2010, 13:01:2118/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 4:50 pm, T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

> I do admire your restraint in not pointing out that research suggests
> that actual criminals - that is, people who are in jail because after
> a trial they were found guilty of a crime - are overwhelmingly
> Christians.


And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
anything...

Smiler

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18 févr. 2010, 15:50:0418/02/2010
à
Michael Price wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:05 am, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <bb13e49d-7d11-4247-af7d-f748f8cdd...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: Mass Murdering Professor Was Fan Of Demonic "Game"
>>> Dungeons & Dragons
>>
>> Since when does three kills constitute "Mass Murder"?
>>
> It constitutes a serial killer, I'd guess that means if they all
> happen in the same incident that makes a "mass murderer".
>

Only if it happened at a Catholic Church during one of their services.

Carl Henderson

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19 févr. 2010, 17:48:1919/02/2010
à
"D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote in news:dfmanno-579FDF.19054117022010
@news.albasani.net:

> That answers the question: when it provides a hobbyhorse for the nutball
> Freepers.

The vast majority of the freepers commenting thought she was nuts, too.

Wexford

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21 févr. 2010, 13:26:1821/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 9:35 am, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 17, 8:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 8:03 am, Michael Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 10:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>

> > > wrote:
>
> > > I have it on good sources that 100% of mass murderers wore shoes. The
> > > nazis also wore shoes. Hitler swore by them, he was never caught
> > > barefoot in public! I think we should ban shoes altogether, just to be
> > > safe.
>
> > Holy shit!  I never saw that before!!  I have to run out and launch a
> > world-wide media campaign to have shoes outlawed!  I'll have to write
> > a best selling novel titled "Shoes: The Murder Connection", maybe even
> > start a reality shoe featuring people that live without shoes!  Oh the
> > horrors of shoes!!!
>
> There is speculation that Dr. Bishop never played the oboe while tap-
> dancing in a zoot suit, either.
>
> If you have never tap danced in a zoot suit while playing an oboe, you
> are likely to be a mass murderer too!
>
> Chris

Would doing the boogie-woogie in a leisure suit while playing the
kazoo suffice. I'm serious, now. Will it??

Wexford

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21 févr. 2010, 13:27:1221/02/2010
à

We slave for the Romans, and what have they done for us??

Mike Schilling

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21 févr. 2010, 13:32:3721/02/2010
à
Wexford wrote:

>>
>> If you have never tap danced in a zoot suit while playing an oboe,
>> you are likely to be a mass murderer too!
>>
>> Chris
>
> Would doing the boogie-woogie in a leisure suit while playing the
> kazoo suffice. I'm serious, now. Will it??

What, a mass murderer who does the boogie-woogie in a leisure suit while
playing the kazoo? It's a million to one shot!


Wexford

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21 févr. 2010, 13:46:2321/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
> Suspect in slays fan of ‘Dungeons’ (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
> just like Michael “Mucko” McDermott, the lone gunman behind the
> devastating workplace killings at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield in
> 2000.
>
> Bishop, now a University of Alabama professor, and her husband James
> Anderson met and fell in love in a Dungeons & Dragons club while
> biology students at Northeastern University in the early 1980s, and
> were heavily into the fantasy role-playing board game, a source told
> the Herald.
>
> “They even acted this crap out,” the source said.
>
> When questioned about it yesterday, Anderson, 45, a research scientist
> in Huntsville, Ala., dismissed the egghead escape as “a passing
> interest. It was a social thing more than anything else. It’s not the
> crazy group people think they are.”
>
> McDermott studied engineering at Northeastern in the late 1980s, but
> Anderson said he never met him. Police seized two Dungeons & Dragons
> books from McDermott’s Haverhill apartment after he shot seven co-
> workers to death on Dec. 26, 2000.
>
> The popular fantasy role-playing game has a long history of
> controversy, with objections raised to its demonic and violent
> elements. Some experts have cited the D&D backgrounds of people who
> were later involved in violent crimes, while others say it just a
> game. A federal appeals court recently upheld a prison ban on the game
> in Wisconsin, where prison officials reportedly testified they were
> afraid the game could promote “hostility, violence and escape
> behavior.”

SOT: Where were you when the Christian Science couple let their child
die? Could it be that this strange sect that calls itself Christian
feels somehow compelled to sacrifice their children?

Father Haskell

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21 févr. 2010, 14:29:1021/02/2010
à
On Feb 17, 7:31 pm, Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sweet evil baby jesus, can you imagine the unmitigated
slaughter if the prof had been using the *bible* as a
handbook?

Michael Price

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22 févr. 2010, 12:14:5622/02/2010
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Hey I play Cyberpunk (or did until recently) I'm WAYYYY more
dangerous than you. ; )

Michael Price

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22 févr. 2010, 12:16:1222/02/2010
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If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
Christian on the form won't have any benefit.

Unattractive Meatball #7

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22 févr. 2010, 14:23:3222/02/2010
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Michael Price <nini...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 5:01=A0am, Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Feb 17, 4:50=A0pm, T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>>> I do admire your restraint in not pointing out that research suggests
>>> that actual criminals - that is, people who are in jail because after
>>> a trial they were found guilty of a crime - are overwhelmingly
>>> Christians.
>> And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
>> have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
>> convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
>> anything...
> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
> Christian on the form won't have any benefit.

A study was performed to address this very issue, dated 1996 but still
relevant

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/gp017.htm

Atheists are grossly under-represented in Western prison systems because
atheists use illegal narcotics much less frequently than the religious do,
an artifact, one prison warden suggested, of atheists enjoying life
"straight up" as opposed to cultists who enjoy fantasy delusions more than
real life.

Atheists evidence not only the superior intelligence and morality over
their less fortunate, cultist brothers and sisters, but they also evidence
much stroinger preference for stark reality.

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No, gods and goddesses can't punish atheists, loon.

Howard Brazee

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22 févr. 2010, 18:04:5322/02/2010
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:16:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Price
<nini...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
>> have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
>> convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
>> anything...
>
> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
>Christian on the form won't have any benefit.


Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?

Paladin

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22 févr. 2010, 21:54:3922/02/2010
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:16:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Price
> <nini...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
>>> have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
>>> convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
>>> anything...
>> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
>> Christian on the form won't have any benefit.
>
>
> Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
> convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?
>

Of course they do. They may be criminals, but they aren't
necessarily stupid as your average rightard. Besides,
why would they lie about a question of religion? what're
they gonna do?--lock them up if they say they're atheist?

David Johnston

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22 févr. 2010, 22:07:2222/02/2010
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:54:39 -0600, Paladin <pala...@giganews.com>
wrote:

>Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:16:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Price
>> <nini...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
>>>> have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
>>>> convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
>>>> anything...
>>> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
>>> Christian on the form won't have any benefit.
>>
>>
>> Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
>> convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?
>>
>
>Of course they do. They may be criminals, but they aren't
>necessarily stupid as your average rightard.

It isn't stupid at all for a prisoner to suspect that his privacy will
not be respected.

Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org

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22 févr. 2010, 22:46:4822/02/2010
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Paladin wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:16:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Price
> > <nini...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> And we know this from surveys taken of convicts, who couldn't possibly
> >>> have any reason to tewll anything but the unalloyed truth or try to
> >>> convince people they've 'reformed' so they can get out of jail or
> >>> anything...
> >> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
> >> Christian on the form won't have any benefit.
> >
> >
> > Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
> > convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?
> >
>
> Of course they do. They may be criminals, but they aren't
> necessarily stupid as your average rightard.

Actually, many convicts are quite stupid.

Anyway, God saw what they wrote.

> Besides,
> why would they lie about a question of religion? what're
> they gonna do?--lock them up if they say they're atheist?

I'm not sure how to present this, but I've heard it proposed that if
you sign in as Jewish, the guy who spits in your food in the kitchen
is a qualifid rabbi.

Lawrence Watt-Evans

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22 févr. 2010, 23:09:0822/02/2010
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:54:39 -0600, Paladin <pala...@giganews.com>
wrote:

>Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>> Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
>> convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?
>
>Of course they do. They may be criminals, but they aren't
>necessarily stupid as your average rightard.

You think the smart ones are in prison? Convicts generally ARE
stupid, often VERY stupid.

They're bright enough not to believe everything they're told, though.


--
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I'm selling my comic collection -- see http://www.watt-evans.com/comics.html
I'm serializing a novel at http://www.watt-evans.com/realmsoflight0.html

Ray Fischer

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22 févr. 2010, 23:50:0622/02/2010
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> Paladin <pala...@giganews.com>
>>Howard Brazee wrote:

>>> Lots of things convicts (and other people) do have no benefit. Do
>>> convicts believe that the surveys are anonymous?
>>
>>Of course they do. They may be criminals, but they aren't
>>necessarily stupid as your average rightard.
>
>You think the smart ones are in prison? Convicts generally ARE
>stupid, often VERY stupid.

So is your average rightard.

>They're bright enough not to believe everything they're told, though.

Not so with rightards.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Jon Schild

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23 févr. 2010, 00:12:4723/02/2010
à
Jimbo wrote:
> On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> wrote:
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>>
>> Suspect in slays fan of �Dungeons� (Amy Bishop)

>>
>> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>>
>> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>>
>> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
>
>
> What has that to do with alt.atheism?

Nothing. This guy should post on alt.loon or if there is no such
newsgroup, it should be created just for him.

Jon Schild

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23 févr. 2010, 00:15:4323/02/2010
à
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>
>
> Suspect in slays fan of �Dungeons� (Amy Bishop)
>
> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>
> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>
> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -

I thought the great unwashed had given up demonizing the most creative
leisure activity ever invented. But this loon is not only stupid but way
out of date.

Paladin

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23 févr. 2010, 02:09:1623/02/2010
à


Very true. But in what way would denying religious
affiliation hurt them? Most are not eligible for parole.

Paladin

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23 févr. 2010, 02:11:1523/02/2010
à
Jon Schild wrote:
> Jimbo wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>>>
>>> Suspect in slays fan of �Dungeons� (Amy Bishop)

>>>
>>> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>>>
>>> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>>>
>>> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
>>
>>
>> What has that to do with alt.atheism?
>
> Nothing. This guy should post on alt.loon or if there is no such
> newsgroup, it should be created just for him.


I really wish you guys would remove the political
newsgroups from the cross-postings.

Greg Goss

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23 févr. 2010, 03:06:2523/02/2010
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meat...@peta.org (Unattractive Meatball #7) wrote:

>> If the surveys are any good they're anonymous, so saying you're
>> Christian on the form won't have any benefit.
>
>A study was performed to address this very issue, dated 1996 but still
>relevant
>
> http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/gp017.htm
>
>Atheists are grossly under-represented in Western prison systems because
>atheists use illegal narcotics much less frequently than the religious do,
>an artifact, one prison warden suggested, of atheists enjoying life
>"straight up" as opposed to cultists who enjoy fantasy delusions more than
>real life.
>
>Atheists evidence not only the superior intelligence and morality over
>their less fortunate, cultist brothers and sisters, but they also evidence
>much stroinger preference for stark reality.

Cause and effect may be reversed there. If your life sucks, maybe you
go looking for alternate reasoning.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27

Robibnikoff

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23 févr. 2010, 04:29:4523/02/2010
à

"Paladin" <pala...@giganews.com> wrote in message
news:uImdnRvVza8...@giganews.com...

Jon Schild wrote:
> Jimbo wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 3:51 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452886/posts
>>>
>>> Suspect in slays fan of ?Dungeons? (Amy Bishop)

>>>
>>> Boston Herald ^ | 2/16/10 | Laurel J. Sweet
>>>
>>> Posted on 17 February 2010 01:53:17 by ruralvoter
>>>
>>> Accused campus killer Amy Bishop was a devotee of Dungeons & Dragons -
>>
>>
>> What has that to do with alt.atheism?
>
> Nothing. This guy should post on alt.loon or if there is no such
> newsgroup, it should be created just for him.


>I really wish you guys would remove the political newsgroups from the
>cross-postings.

I really wish everyone would remove alt.atheism from theirs. Not a perfect
world, sweetie. Just ignore the posts you don't want to read and use your
killfile.
--
Robyn
BAAWA Knight
#1557


Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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23 févr. 2010, 08:17:4223/02/2010
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It's a well-known trope that prisoners who show Christian religious
beliefs -- especially if it's accompanied by signs of reform -- may be
more accepted by society. It may not be entirely TRUE, but it's a common
concept, and thus there's good reason to profess to be Christian

--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com

David Johnston

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23 févr. 2010, 11:47:4923/02/2010
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:09:16 -0600, Paladin <pala...@giganews.com>
wrote:

What gives you that idea?

Paladin

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23 févr. 2010, 21:53:5823/02/2010
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Men hiding in foxholes in battles do pray. But are they
praying to god or god in general? are they perhaps saying
the equivalent of "Oh shit what the fuck am I doing
here." Are the attackers praying to the same god or gods,
or are they too saying the equivalent of "Oh shit what
the fuck am I doing here."

Paladin

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23 févr. 2010, 21:57:5523/02/2010
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To my family, in order to keep them from shedding tears
over my lost soul, I profess to be a newborn Christian. I
once claimed to be atheist; now I admit that I just
don't know. But I am unwilling to bow down to a god who
allows babies to starve while billionaires dine on golden
platters.

Paladin

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23 févr. 2010, 22:00:3023/02/2010
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Dear BAAWA Knight. I am a married man, I do not wish to
date you. So don't call me "sweetie."

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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23 févr. 2010, 22:25:2023/02/2010