A little touch of Harry in the night
Greg Swann
The rantings of Joe Zychik and his troupe of would-be moles, poking
their wet noses out from under the ruins of the failed Tompkins
campaign, put me in mind of this sequence. I could wish that Harry
Browne were this eloquent, this moving, but it remains that his
acceptance speech before the LP Convention was a wonder to behold.
And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik. Come
thou no more for ransom, craven assassin. You have won nothing but
the exposure of your callow scheming. And to those who crave sweet
Liberty: The fewer men, the greater share of honor. If you vote for
tyranny for any reason--Clinton's, Dole's, Perot's or Zychik's--you
vote for your enslavement and for your children's.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
Greg Swann
10/19/96
From KING HENRY V
by William Shakespeare
ACT IV
SCENE III: The English camp.
{Enter GLOUCESTER, BEDFORD, EXETER, ERPINGHAM, with
all his host: SALISBURY and WESTMORELAND.}
GLOUCESTER: Where is the king?
BEDFORD: The king himself is rode to view their battle.
WESTMORELAND: Of fighting men they have full three score thousand.
EXETER: There's five to one; besides, they all are fresh.
SALISBURY: God's arm strike with us! 'tis a fearful odds.
God be wi' you, princes all; I'll to my charge:
If we no more meet till we meet in heaven,
Then, joyfully, my noble Lord of Bedford,
My dear Lord Gloucester, and my good Lord Exeter,
And my kind kinsman, warriors all, adieu!
BEDFORD: Farewell, good Salisbury; and good luck go with thee!
EXETER: Farewell, kind lord; fight valiantly to-day:
And yet I do thee wrong to mind thee of it,
For thou art framed of the firm truth of valor.
[Exit SALISBURY.]
BEDFORD: He is full of valor as of kindness;
Princely in both.
{Enter the KING.}
WESTMORELAND: O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!
KING HENRY V: What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honor.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honor,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honor
As one man more, methinks, would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbors,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
{Re-enter SALISBURY.}
SALISBURY: My sovereign lord, bestow yourself with speed:
The French are bravely in their battles set,
And will with all expedience charge on us.
KING HENRY V: All things are ready, if our minds be so.
WESTMORELAND: Perish the man whose mind is backward now!
KING HENRY V: Thou dost not wish more help from England, coz?
WESTMORELAND: God's will! my liege, would you and I alone,
Without more help, could fight this royal battle!
KING HENRY V: Why, now thou hast unwish'd five thousand men;
Which likes me better than to wish us one.
You know your places: God be with you all!
{Tucket. Enter MONTJOY.}
MONTJOY: Once more I come to know of thee, King Harry,
If for thy ransom thou wilt now compound,
Before thy most assured overthrow:
For certainly thou art so near the gulf,
Thou needs must be englutted. Besides, in mercy,
The constable desires thee thou wilt mind
Thy followers of repentance; that their souls
May make a peaceful and a sweet retire
From off these fields, where, wretches, their poor
bodies
Must lie and fester.
KING HENRY V: Who hath sent thee now?
MONTJOY: The Constable of France.
KING HENRY V: I pray thee, bear my former answer back:
Bid them achieve me and then sell my bones.
Good God! why should they mock poor fellows thus?
The man that once did sell the lion's skin
While the beast lived, was killed with hunting him.
A many of our bodies shall no doubt
Find native graves; upon the which, I trust,
Shall witness live in brass of this day's work:
And those that leave their valiant bones in France,
Dying like men, though buried in your dunghills,
They shall be famed; for there the sun shall greet them,
And draw their honors reeking up to heaven;
Leaving their earthly parts to choke your clime,
The smell whereof shall breed a plague in France.
Mark then abounding valor in our English,
That being dead, like to the bullet's grazing,
Break out into a second course of mischief,
Killing in relapse of mortality.
Let me speak proudly: tell the constable
We are but warriors for the working-day;
Our gayness and our gilt are all besmirch'd
With rainy marching in the painful field;
There's not a piece of feather in our host--
Good argument, I hope, we will not fly--
And time hath worn us into slovenry:
But, by the mass, our hearts are in the trim;
And my poor soldiers tell me, yet ere night
They'll be in fresher robes, or they will pluck
The gay new coats o'er the French soldiers' heads
And turn them out of service. If they do this,--
As, if God please, they shall,--my ransom then
Will soon be levied. Herald, save thou thy labor;
Come thou no more for ransom, gentle herald:
They shall have none, I swear, but these my joints;
Which if they have as I will leave 'em them,
Shall yield them little, tell the constable.
MONTJOY: I shall, King Harry. And so fare thee well:
Thou never shalt hear herald any more.
[Exit.]
KING HENRY V: I fear thou'lt once more come again for ransom.
{Enter YORK.}
YORK: My lord, most humbly on my knee I beg
The leading of the vaward.
KING HENRY V: Take it, brave York. Now, soldiers, march away:
And how thou pleasest, God, dispose the day!
[Exeunt.]
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James A. Donald
gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
> And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
> does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik.
Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
money from libertarians.
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Greg Swann
jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) wrote:
>gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
>> And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
>> does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik.
>
>Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
>money from libertarians.
Sweet are the uses of adversity,
Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;
And this our life exempt from public haunt
Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
Sermons in stones and good in every thing.
--GSS
James A. Donald
msi...@rworld.com (M Simon) wrote:
> You know I liked his con so well that even after finding out
> about it I sent him $100.
Your choice, but it seems to me that for a libertarian to support
Browne is as stupid as for a republican to support Dole.
Ernest Brown
On 19 Oct 1996, Greg Swann wrote:
> This story shall the good man teach his son;
So, you're comparing Browne to a statist, murderous tyrant who boiled
religious dissenters in oil and embroiled his country in an unwinnable war
that resulted in the murder of his son and the dissolution of his dynasty?
That'll show Zychik!
E. Brown
M Simon
jam...@echeque.com (James A. Donald) wrote:
>Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
>money from libertarians.
You know I liked his con so well that even after finding out
about it I sent him $100.
Republicans campaign like Libertarians and govern like
Democrats." -- Harry Browne, _Why Government Doesn't Work
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can vote for what you've always had, or you can vote for what
you've always wanted.
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your beliefs, is a betrayal of your candidate... and your
beliefs.
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politicians to attempt to portray his call to end the War
on Drugs as "extremist."
"But the real extremists are the ones who continue
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Brian Carnell
On 19 Oct 1996 22:45:02 -0700, gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
>The rantings of Joe Zychik and his troupe of would-be moles, poking
>their wet noses out from under the ruins of the failed Tompkins
>campaign, put me in mind of this sequence.
Those involved in the Libertarian Party are so intolerant of
dissenting views.
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Greg Swann
br...@carnell.com wrote:
>On 19 Oct 1996 22:45:02 -0700, gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
>
>>The rantings of Joe Zychik and his troupe of would-be moles, poking
>>their wet noses out from under the ruins of the failed Tompkins
>>campaign, put me in mind of this sequence.
>
>Those involved in the Libertarian Party are so intolerant of
>dissenting views.
I am not involved in the Libertarian Party.
I am not intolerant of dissenting views. For example, I think both
Browne and Nathaniel Branden are wrong about abortion, but I said
nothing about Branden's open letter _about the issue._
I _am_ intolerant of hysterical, libelous character assassination. If
it happens to you, and if I know about it, I'll stand up for you, too.
Greg Swann
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James A. Donald wrote:
>M Simon wrote:
>> You know I liked his con so well that even after finding out
>> about it I sent him $100.
>
> Your choice, but it seems to me that for a libertarian to support
> Browne is as stupid as for a republican to support Dole.
Hey, I think the political climate would improve greatly if Dole got
the Browne vote and vice versa. ;-)
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M Simon
bri...@net-link.net (Brian Carnell) wrote:
>On 19 Oct 1996 22:45:02 -0700, gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
>>The rantings of Joe Zychik and his troupe of would-be moles, poking
>>their wet noses out from under the ruins of the failed Tompkins
>>campaign, put me in mind of this sequence.
>Those involved in the Libertarian Party are so intolerant of
>dissenting views.
Well let me just say that in my opinion Joe has a very
superficial understanding og Libertarianism.
You know - the BIG BAD Federal Government will make the States
and Cities give the citizens their rights. A big government
Libertarian.
I am a small government Libertarian. Reduce the Federals to the
minimum and let the States and Cities deal with their own
problems.
So lets see how the Federal Government enforces our liberties
and freedoms: Civil War, affirmative action, forced bussing.
I think the 14th Ammendment is a good idea. I just don't think
the Feds should enforce it. But they should be allowed to apply
judicial review without recourse to enforcement except perhaps
capital cases. In all but capital cases moral victories only.
Greg Swann
Ernest Brown <c50...@showme.missouri.edu> wrote:
>On 19 Oct 1996, Greg Swann wrote:
>> This story shall the good man teach his son;
>
>So, you're comparing Browne to a statist, murderous tyrant who boiled
>religious dissenters in oil and embroiled his country in an unwinnable war
>that resulted in the murder of his son and the dissolution of his dynasty?
>That'll show Zychik!
I had mail the other day indicating that Rick Tompkins couldn't tell my
essay "America's Most Educated" was satire. Ernest Brown cannot distinguish
history from an historical play. These are not promising data...
--GSS
KAZ Vorpal
In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Brian Carnell (bri...@net-link.net) wrote:
>)On 19 Oct 1996 22:45:02 -0700, gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
>)>The rantings of Joe Zychik and his troupe of would-be moles, poking
>)>their wet noses out from under the ruins of the failed Tompkins
>)>campaign, put me in mind of this sequence.
>)Those involved in the Libertarian Party are so intolerant of
>)dissenting views.
umm...
How many Democrats were allowed by the Party Elite to run against
Clinton this year for the nomination?
At least the Libertarian party allowed a RACE, even if the party
elite may very well have worked in favor of a specific candidate in much
the same unseemly way the Republican elite worked in favor of Dole.
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Della Lu
In article <54dg55$a...@nntp1.best.com>
jam...@echeque.com "James A. Donald" writes:
> gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
> > And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
> > does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik.
>
> Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
> money from libertarians.
Even if that were true one could argue that at least we know he's not
running with an ulterior motive, his motive is clear...buy my book.
And if he does some good doing so, so much the better.
--
Della Lu
Brian Carnell
On Fri, 25 Oct 96 17:23:59 GMT, Della Lu <del...@hana.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Even if that were true one could argue that at least we know he's not
>running with an ulterior motive, his motive is clear...buy my book.
>And if he does some good doing so, so much the better.
Exactly. Zychik's, and those like him, problem is that they want
purity before they'll even consider voting for someone. Why not just
be like Wendy McElroy and argue that voting is inherently immoral,
since even if Zychik finds someone to vote for, he's still going to be
electing them to a system he finds tyrannical.
Brian Carnell
On 24 Oct 1996 20:30:19 GMT, k...@upx.net (KAZ Vorpal) wrote:
>In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Brian Carnell (bri...@net-link.net) wrote:
>>)Those involved in the Libertarian Party are so intolerant of
>>)dissenting views.
>
>
> umm...
>
> How many Democrats were allowed by the Party Elite to run against
>Clinton this year for the nomination?
>
> At least the Libertarian party allowed a RACE, even if the party
>elite may very well have worked in favor of a specific candidate in much
>the same unseemly way the Republican elite worked in favor of Dole.
Even if some of the party elite were on Browne's payroll!!
Look, I've got no love for the Dems or Repubs and I'll even cast my
vote for Browne. But the LP is a pathetic shell of a party.
Look at these nutty press releases they post on the Internet, for
example. Did you see one the other day where they found some poll that
said a large number of Americans favored smaller government and their
press release said something like "Majority of Americans favor
Browne"??
The LP is its own worst enemy.
KAZ Vorpal
In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Della Lu (del...@hana.demon.co.uk) wrote:
])Della Lu
I'm reading /Peace War/, by Vernor Vinge, and Della Lu is this slimey
badguy chick.
Ick.
I hope there's another explanation for your name.
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Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a
continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national
emergency...Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if
we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums
demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened,
seem never to have been quite real. -- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957
KAZ Vorpal
]) jam...@echeque.com "James A. Donald" writes:
])> gsw...@primenet.com (Greg Swann) wrote:
])> > And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
])> > does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik.
])>
])> Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
])> money from libertarians.
])Even if that were true one could argue that at least we know he's not
])running with an ulterior motive, his motive is clear...buy my book.
])And if he does some good doing so, so much the better.
The idea of a LIBERTARIAN profiting from his actions!
Gee...as long as the exchange is voluntary, who cares?
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Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication--after that it is
only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to
him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it can not be
incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation
made to ME, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.
--Thomas Paine, /The Age Of Reason/
Della Lu
> In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Della Lu (del...@hana.demon.co.uk)
> wrote:
> ])In article <54dg55$a...@nntp1.best.com>
> ]) jam...@echeque.com "James A. Donald" writes:
> ])> Harry Brown, like Terra Libra, is another con man who seeks to make
> ])> money from libertarians.
>
> ])Even if that were true one could argue that at least we know he's not
> ])running with an ulterior motive, his motive is clear...buy my book.
> ])And if he does some good doing so, so much the better.
>
>
> The idea of a LIBERTARIAN profiting from his actions!
>
> Gee...as long as the exchange is voluntary, who cares?
Could you maybe describe in more detail your problems with his actions.
--
Della Lu
Elias Israel
Della Lu wrote:
>
> In article <54dg55$a...@nntp1.best.com>
> > > And it remains that Harry Browne is a good and honorable man who
> > > does not deserve to be encysted with the likes of Zychik.
> >
>
> Even if that were true one could argue that at least we know he's not
>
> Della Lu
As someone with some experience in this area, I can assure you that
Harry could never hope to drive enough sales of his book with a
political campaign to make the personal and financial costs worth it.
The only people who make money on political book deals are those like
Newt Gingrich who accept inflated and impossible advances for books that
are traded like playing cards from one PACs storage closet to another's.
By the way, now that I've mentioned it, everyone should go out and buy
*my* book, "The X Window System Server." You'd make me and my co-author
very happy, but I'm afraid it won't tell you much about why government
doesn't work. Buy Harry's book for that. :-)
--
Elias Israel
Director of Engineering, CableSoft Corporation
e...@cablesoft.com
Della Lu
> In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Della Lu (del...@hana.demon.co.uk)
> wrote:
>
> ])Della Lu
>
>
> I'm reading /Peace War/, by Vernor Vinge, and Della Lu is this slimey
> badguy chick.
Eventually, if you read the whole book, she sides with the rebels, prevents
the destruction of the world and destroys the peacer goverment.
She is also in the book _Marooned_in_Real_Time_, in that book, set
50 million years in the future she comes back to Earth after roaming the
galaxy for 9000 subjective years. There are only a few hundred humans
left on Earth as the rest of humanity disappeared in the 23rd century,
leaving them marooned. She helps investigate a murder, and in the end
saves the world...twice.
(It's sci-fi, what else do you expect the characters to do?)
> I hope there's another explanation for your name.
I just liked the name. I have propogandised for anarcho-capitalism in
the past, although not right at the moment because I have other things
to do.
--
Della Lu
Ernest Brown
Mr. Swann, I am quite aware of the difference between a historical and a
"fictional" character. However, the Chorus makes it quite clear in the
Epilogue that the play DELIBERATELY IGNORES the foul fruits of Henry's
efforts, thus tying the "character" to the historical actor.
If you want to be led by a charismatic despot, fine! The rest of us find
the Founding Fathers to be more inspirational heros.
E. Brown
KAZ Vorpal
In Newsgroup alt.politics.harry-browne, Ernest Brown (c50...@showme.missouri.edu) wrote:
])If you want to be led by a charismatic despot, fine! The rest of us find
])the Founding Fathers to be more inspirational heros.
Hmm...you should find the Founders to be what they REALLY were,
no more, no less. You should remember the bad as well as the good. To
blindly dote over them, ignoring their wrongs, is as ridiculous as to
pretend they were just villains, like the other side does.
--
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The Democrats seem to basically be nicer people, but they have demonstrated
time and again that they have the management skills of celery. They're the
kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage
to set your car on fire. I'd be reluctant to trust them with a Cuisinart, let
alone the economy. --Dave Barry