20 Dollars Per Gallon = Conservation
Immortalist
continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-
so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks
brilliantly in this provocative work.
Consider the following societal changes:
- People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to
live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
- Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
- Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used
to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
- Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating
northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
- Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
oil).
And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino
effect that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
This simple but constant rise
in oil and gas prices will totally
re-structure our lifestyle.
But all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher
in some new and very promising aspects of our society; the liberation
of technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will
change our lives.
http://www.amazon.com/20-Per-Gallon-Inevitable-Gasoline/dp/0446549541
John Galt
> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil)
> continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
> that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
> about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
> junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-
> so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks
> brilliantly in this provocative work.
>
> Consider the following societal changes:
>
> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to
> live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
I doubt the former, agree with the latter. Many people just think living
in cities sucks. Besides, if half the people living in the exurbs move
"in", then the traffic won't be bad, and you won't waste energy sitting
on jammed freeways.
(Always remember that a Tahoe on the open road is more "green" than a
Prius that spends two hours a day in stop and go traffic.)
>
> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used
> to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
For some, maybe. Anyone who's ridden Amtrak transcontinental would
rather have teeth pulled.
>
> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating
> northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
Nah. Air conditioning ain't cheap.
>
> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
> oil).
God help the trees should this occur.
JG
robert bowman
> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
> oil).
After the '70s oil embargo, some manufacturers switched to furane resins for
thermoset molding. Furane is typically produced by the destructive
distillation of corn cobs. The resins had different shrinkage rates than
epoxy or phenolic resins, and flowed a little more freely so they were
mostly used in new molds designed for the material. When petroleum based
resins became available again, most switched back.
The point is there are alternatives, given economic conditions that favor
them. Getting there will not be without pain.
Rod Speed
> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline
> (and oil) continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about
> the immediate impact that would have on our lives.
Not much. A bit less room in the car when they change to using natural gas etc.
Not even that if they just buy a new car that runs on it.
> Of course, everybody already knows how about
> gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't
> wait to junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius.
A few fools do in fact.
> But there are more, not-so-obvious changes on the horizon
> that Chris Steiner tracks brilliantly in this provocative work.
Nope.
> Consider the following societal changes:
> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants
> to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
That wont happen, they will just use natural gas instead.
> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
Expand, yes. Rapidly, nope. There are real downsides with that and always will be.
> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation
Nope, that wont happen.
> (as it used to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
That wont happen either. The fuel they use will come from coal instead.
> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price
> of heating northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
No one heats using gasoline and not that many heat with what comes from crude oil either.
Most of those will change to using natural gas.
> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
Not a chance. The cost of the crude oil in them is peanuts and they
can be made from coal instead if that makes economic sense.
> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from oil).
Only because it currently makes sense to do that.
> And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino
> effect that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
Pure pig ignorant fantasy.
We might see the first and second world get a clue and build lots of
nukes and heat the houses with the electricity from those and stop
wasting natural gas on heating and use that in cars and trucks instead.
> This simple but constant rise in oil and gas prices will totally re-structure our lifestyle.
Like hell it will.
> But all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher
> in some new and very promising aspects of our society; the liberation
> of technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will
> change our lives.
Not much, you watch.
> http://www.amazon.com/20-Per-Gallon-Inevitable-Gasoline/dp/0446549541
Just another completely mindless pig ignorant steaming turd.
Bret Cahill
> Prius that spends two hours a day in stop and go traffic.)
Hybrid mpg profile is reversed from conventional drive train: A Prius
does even better in stop and go traffic than it does cruising the
freeway.
This is because the hybrid drive train output closely reflects the
wind drag.
A conventional drive train output reflects the waste turning over the
large engine necessary for stop and go traffic.
Bret Cahill
Zerkon
> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline
... is actually realized as dead bodies.
Beam Me Up Scotty
The right tool for the right job.
It has always been so, except for places that are socialist where one
size fits all.
--
AZDuffman
> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil)
> continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
> that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
> about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
> junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-
> so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks
> brilliantly in this provocative work.
>
> Consider the following societal changes:
>
> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to
> live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same
city. Many will work closer, though some will start to figure the big
yard is not worth the commute. But this would be a longer-term
change. I doubt many people commute more than 30 miles and even at
$40/day it is hard to justify moving.
Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to
telecommuting and of the ones that do, most people will not be as
productive working from home or/and need to develop skill/trust levels
to do so.
> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used
> to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
I do not see this happening. Tacks need to be laid and stations
built. Train travel died off because it could not compete with
planes, even the jump you are saying would not make them a super-
better deal.
> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating
> northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
Een more expensive to air condition in the summer. Though as a person
who loves the south and its values I'd be ready to move before the
increase.
> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
> oil).
>
> And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino
> effect that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
>
> This simple but constant rise
> in oil and gas prices will totally
> re-structure our lifestyle.
>
> But all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher
> in some new and very promising aspects of our society; the liberation
> of technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will
> change our lives.
Climbing oil and gas prices would be a big, big net negative for the
USA. If you buy it, it got there on a truck. So a fuel price jump
raises the cost of everything.
Rod Speed
> Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil)
>> continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
>> that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
>> about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
>> junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more,
>> not- so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks
>> brilliantly in this provocative work.
>> Consider the following societal changes:
>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants
>> to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
>> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
Nope.
> Many will work closer, though some will start to figure the big yard
> is not worth the commute. But this would be a longer-term change.
Not necessarily, employers can just choose to locate the workplaces there.
> I doubt many people commute more than 30 miles
> and even at $40/day it is hard to justify moving.
But it would likely see rather less choose to buy where that extra cost is included.
> Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to telecommuting
That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
> and of the ones that do, most people will not be as productive working from home
Easy to claim. Plenty are more productive from home.
> or/and need to develop skill/trust levels to do so.
It shouldnt be that hard to monitor what that employee gets up to.
>> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation
>> (as it used to be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
> I do not see this happening.
I dont either. We'd just get aircraft fuel from coal instead
of from oil. That has been feasible for almost a century
now, just not economic at current crude oil prices.
> Tacks need to be laid and stations built. Train travel died
> off because it could not compete with planes, even the jump
> you are saying would not make them a super-better deal.
And the prices he waved around wouldnt happen anyway, we'd
just get aircraft fuel from coal at a much lower price instead.
>> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price
>> of heating northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
> Een more expensive to air condition in the summer.
> Though as a person who loves the south and its
> values I'd be ready to move before the increase.
>> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
>> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from oil).
>> And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino
>> effect that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
>> This simple but constant rise in oil and gas prices will totally re-structure our lifestyle.
>> But all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher
>> in some new and very promising aspects of our society; the liberation
>> of technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will
>> change our lives.
> Climbing oil and gas prices would be a big, big net negative for the USA.
Not necessarily. It could easily see the US get a clue, build lots
of nukes and heat houses etc with the electricity from those,
stop wasting natural gas on heating and use that as a
transport fuel instead and drastically cut the crude oil imports.
> If you buy it, it got there on a truck. So a fuel price jump raises the cost of everything.
Not if they use natural gas instead.
AZDuffman
> >> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
> >> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants
> >> to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
> >> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
> > This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>
> Nope.
How intelligent, can you ever back up your claims?
> > Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to telecommuting
>
> That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
Not really. Telecommuting only works for "office space" type work,
which is not the majority of work. Then you have most functions there
who need to interact with others face-to-face or actually see
customers. 90% of jobs do not work for telecommuting.
> > and of the ones that do, most people will not be as productive working from home
>
> Easy to claim. Plenty are more productive from home.
PROVE IT. Most people will be more distracted at home with the TV,
kids, phone, and other things. PROVE WHY THEY WOULD BE ***MORE****
PRODUCTIVE. And do it without name-calling and foul language for
once.
> > or/and need to develop skill/trust levels to do so.
>
> It shouldnt be that hard to monitor what that employee gets up to.
As someone who has managed an "outside" force of employees let me tell
you monitoring them is far harder than "inside" employees. When you
get a career beyond your current high-school job you may learn that.
> > Climbing oil and gas prices would be a big, big net negative for the USA.
>
> Not necessarily. It could easily see the US get a clue, build lots
> of nukes and heat houses etc with the electricity from those,
> stop wasting natural gas on heating and use that as a
> transport fuel instead and drastically cut the crude oil imports.
Flaw in your thinking is oil is not used to heat houses much except in
a very few parts of the northeast. It is not used to fuel power
plants much either. NG is far better for heat than electric as anyone
who has had both will tell you. If oil rose to $700/bbl which is
about what $20 gas would mean it cost, then the Saudi Arabias of shale
oil and tar sands would long since have become econimically viable and
be North American supply to boot.
> > If you buy it, it got there on a truck. So a fuel price jump
raises the cost of everything.
>
> Not if they use natural gas instead.
If they all did, price of NG would skyricket as well.
Michael Coburn
> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil)
> continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
> that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
> about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
> junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-
> so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks brilliantly
> in this provocative work.
>
> Consider the following societal changes:
>
> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that there's
> no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to live too
> far away because it's too expensive to commute to work). - Telecommuting
> will begin to expand rapidly.
I am retired and I live here because I don't have to commute to work and
I intend to die here. The "market" value of my home is of _NO_ interest
to ma at all. And if I decide to do some work, it _WILL_ be over the net.
> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used to
> be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
BULLSHIT! Algae biofuel may provide a very large portion of jet fuel.
> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating
> northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
Global warming will produce the opposite.
> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
> oil).
>
> And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino effect
> that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
>
> This simple but constant rise
> in oil and gas prices will totally
> re-structure our lifestyle.
This comment is actually correct and so too will global warming change
our lives.
> But all of these changes may not be negative--but actually will usher in
> some new and very promising aspects of our society; the liberation of
> technology and innovation, triggered by climbing gas prices, will change
> our lives.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/20-Per-Gallon-Inevitable-Gasoline/dp/0446549541
We need to stop holding on to the past.
--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Jan 4, 1:16 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>>>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants
>>>> to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to work).
>>>> - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
>>> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> How intelligent, can you ever back up your claims?
It would mean that interstates would get little use and thereby little
repair. That would be the demise of the Federal interstate system.
--
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>>>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants
>>>> to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute to
>>>> work). - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
>>> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>> Nope.
> How intelligent, can you ever back up your claims?
Odd that you never ever do yourself. In spades with that claim in the next line.
>>> Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to telecommuting
>> That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
> Not really.
Yes, really.
> Telecommuting only works for "office space" type work,
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist pathetic excuses for a bullshit artists ?
> which is not the majority of work.
90%+ is just a tad more than the majority of work, stupid.
> Then you have most functions there who need to interact
> with others face-to-face or actually see customers.
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist pathetic excuses for a bullshit artists ?
> 90% of jobs do not work for telecommuting.
That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
>>> and of the ones that do, most people will not be as productive working from home
>> Easy to claim. Plenty are more productive from home.
> PROVE IT.
Have a look at where most authors do their work, stupid.
> Most people will be more distracted at home with the TV,
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out how to turn that off if someone
was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane, stupid.
> kids, phone,
Corse there are never ever any phones with non telecommuting, eh ?
> and other things.
Corse there are never ever anyone else at non telecommuting work, eh ?
> PROVE WHY THEY WOULD BE ***MORE**** PRODUCTIVE.
Try asking most authors sometime.
> And do it without name-calling and foul language for once.
Go and fuck yourself, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.
>>> or/and need to develop skill/trust levels to do so.
>> It shouldnt be that hard to monitor what that employee gets up to.
> As someone who has managed an "outside" force of employees let
> me tell you monitoring them is far harder than "inside" employees.
Still perfectly possible for anyone with even half a clue, stupid.
> When you get a career beyond your current high-school job you may learn that.
Havent been in high school for more than half a century now thanks.
Longer out of it than you actually.
>>> Climbing oil and gas prices would be a big, big net negative for the USA.
>> Not necessarily. It could easily see the US get a clue, build
>> lots of nukes and heat houses etc with the electricity from
>> those, stop wasting natural gas on heating and use that as a
>> transport fuel instead and drastically cut the crude oil imports.
> Flaw in your thinking is oil is not used to heat houses
> much except in a very few parts of the northeast.
Never said it was. I clearly said that NATURAL GAS is, fool.
> It is not used to fuel power plants much either.
Never said it was, fool.
> NG is far better for heat than electric as anyone who has had both will tell you.
Not when there is a shortage of natural gas because its used in
cars and trucks instead of gasoline and diesel from crude oil, fool.
> If oil rose to $700/bbl which is about what $20 gas would mean it cost,
That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
> then the Saudi Arabias of shale oil and tar sands would long since
> have become econimically viable and be North American supply to boot.
And it makes a lot more sense to stop wasting natural gas on heating and
heat using electricity from nukes and use the natural gas in cars and trucks.
>>> If you buy it, it got there on a truck. So a fuel price jump raises the cost of everything.
>> Not if they use natural gas instead.
> If they all did, price of NG would skyricket as well.
Not if they stopped wasting it heating houses and used electricity from nukes to heat houses instead.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>>>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody
>>>> wants to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute
>>>> to work). - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
>>> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>> Nope.
> It would mean that interstates would get little use
Nope, they would still be used by trucks, stupid.
> and thereby little repair.
If they have to be repaired for the trucks and the damage they do to them,
the extra wear done by cars is not worth worrying about, so that is wrong too.
> That would be the demise of the Federal interstate system.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland.
AZDuffman
> > When you get a career beyond your current high-school job you may learn that.
>
> Havent been in high school for more than half a century now thanks.
Maybe you should have stayed and finished it, though.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>>>>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody
>>>>> wants to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute
>>>>> to work). - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
>
>>>> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>
>>> Nope.
>
>> It would mean that interstates would get little use
>
> Nope, they would still be used by trucks, stupid.
>
Hey dim-bulb, that would be less use. Jesus it must hurt to be as
stupid as you.
>> and thereby little repair.
>
> If they have to be repaired for the trucks and the damage they do to them,
> the extra wear done by cars is not worth worrying about, so that is wrong too.
>
remind me of that when the next interstate bridge fails and dozens are
killed.
--
Rod Speed
>>> When you get a career beyond your current high-school job you may learn that.
>> Havent been in high school for more than half a century now thanks.
> Maybe you should have stayed and finished it, though.
Did finish it and went on to university and did more than one degree there too thanks.
Unlike you.
AZDuffman
Yet you still cannot carry on a conversation without name calling,
rage and foul language. The majority of your posts are one-line
replies calling people a "liar" when they are expressing and opinion,
just gainsaying and adding "fool" or more foul language. You rarely
if ever make constructive points at all.
Again, unlike me.
You should really get a life. Go to the local pub and find someone
you would like to take home. Buy him or her a drink and see where it
leads.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that
>>>>>> there's no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody
>>>>>> wants to live too far away because it's too expensive to commute
>>>>>> to work). - Telecommuting will begin to expand rapidly.
>>>>> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same city.
>>>> Nope.
>>> It would mean that interstates would get little use
>> Nope, they would still be used by trucks, stupid.
> Hey dim-bulb, that would be less use.
Pity you said LITTLE use, fuckwit.
>>> and thereby little repair.
>> If they have to be repaired for the trucks and the damage they do to them, the
>> extra wear done by cars is not worth worrying about, so that is wrong too.
> remind me of that when the next interstate bridge fails and dozens are killed.
Hardly ever happens.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> AZDuffman wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> AZDuffman wrote
>>>>> When you get a career beyond your current high-school job you may learn that.
>>>> Havent been in high school for more than half a century now thanks.
>>> Maybe you should have stayed and finished it, though.
>> Did finish it and went on to university and did more than one degree there too thanks.
>> Unlike you.
> Yet you still cannot carry on a conversation without name calling, rage and foul language.
And you cant carry on a conversation without lying to your teeth.
> The majority of your posts are one-line replies calling people a "liar"
Everyone can see for themselve that you are a pathological liar.
<reams of your purile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
Les Cargill
>
> This assumes everyone in the far-off suburbs commutes to the same
> city. Many will work closer, though some will start to figure the big
> yard is not worth the commute. But this would be a longer-term
> change. I doubt many people commute more than 30 miles and even at
> $40/day it is hard to justify moving.
>
That's about $880 a month. It just got a lot easier.
> Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to
> telecommuting and of the ones that do, most people will not be as
> productive working from home or/and need to develop skill/trust levels
> to do so.
>
>
Best Buy saw massive gains in productivity with their ROWE (
results-only work environment) program.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/business/yourmoney/03mgmt.html?pagewanted=print
It depends on the place, really.
--
Les Cargill
bigfl...@gmail.com
Perhaps high tension leads, for mutual therapy? :-)
BOfL
bigfl...@gmail.com
Perhaps to high tension leads for mutual therapy :-)
BOfL
bigfl...@gmail.com
How DARE you speak for me. I suppose that makes you a lier too, or is
that just your opinion?
BOfL
robert bowman
>> Telecommuting I don't buy. 90%+ of jobs do not lend themselves to
>> telecommuting
>
> That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
Didn't you get the memo? The US switched to a service economy a couple of
decades back. It's difficult to cut hair, do nails, or mow lawns remotely.
The jobs that can be done via telecommuting have a nasty tendency to
commute themselves offshore.
robert bowman
>> It would mean that interstates would get little use
>
> Nope, they would still be used by trucks, stupid.
That usage would drop off also. I spent a few years hauling Georgia carpet
to LA and turning around to take LA carpet to Georgia. The same applies to
furniture, paper, and many other commodities. Cheap transportation makes it
feasible to print all that crap you pull out of your Sunday paper in
Colorado and haul it to Baltimore. Expensive transportation will change the
game quite a bit as local manufacturing becomes more cost effective.
I believe it was E. F. Schumacher in 'Small is Beautiful' that puzzled about
lorries transporting biscuits (cookies) from one British city to another,
while other lorries took more or less identical biscuits in the other
direction. He was worried about 100 miles; the US does the same on a much
grander scale.
Strabo
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:06:28 -0800, Immortalist wrote:
>
>> Imagine an everyday world in which the price of gasoline (and oil)
>> continues to go up, and up, and up. Think about the immediate impact
>> that would have on our lives. Of course, everybody already knows how
>> about gasoline has affected our driving habits. People can't wait to
>> junk their gas-guzzling SUVs for a new Prius. But there are more, not-
>> so-obvious changes on the horizon that Chris Steiner tracks brilliantly
>> in this provocative work.
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>> Consider the following societal changes:
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>> - People who own homes in far-off suburbs will soon realize that there's
>> no longer any market for their houses (reason: nobody wants to live too
>> far away because it's too expensive to commute to work). - Telecommuting
>> will begin to expand rapidly.
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> I am retired and I live here because I don't have to commute to work and
> I intend to die here. The "market" value of my home is of _NO_ interest
> to ma at all. And if I decide to do some work, it _WILL_ be over the net.
>
Very good point. At its base, one's home is ultimately worth what it can
provide - a place to live, work and grow food.
Some analysts project 2,000 more banks going under during 2010-2011 with
loans becoming increasingly difficult to get.
The 'baby-boomers' have already made the emotional accommodation to
staying put. With fewer moves and local production of food, goods
and services, the US will likely be quite different in a few years.
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>> - Trains will become the mode of national transportation (as it used to
>> be) as the price of flying becomes prohibitive.
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> BULLSHIT! Algae biofuel may provide a very large portion of jet fuel.
>
It can. Switchgrass and other plants can be converted to fuel, but
for various reasons flying will likely decrease.
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>> - Families will begin to migrate southward as the price of heating
>> northern homes in the winter is too pricey.
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> Global warming will produce the opposite.
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Forcing Southerners to close their state borders.
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>> - Cheap everyday items that are comprised of plastic will go away
>> because of the rising price to produce them (plastic is derived from
>> oil).
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>> And this is just the beginning of a huge and overwhelming domino effect
>> that our way of life will undergo in the years to come.
>>
>> This simple but constant rise
>> in oil and gas prices will totally
>> re-structure our lifestyle.
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> This comment is actually correct and so too will global warming change
> our lives.
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Or global cooling.
Whichever, the devastation of the economy will force changes.