AMORC Is Fake

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Pictor et Architectus

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May 21, 2004, 9:10:27 PM5/21/04
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After many years of belonging to AMORC, I finally verified what I
originally suspected of the founder, Harvey Spencer Lewis.
BTW, he was no "PhD". Even AMORC, if you insistently ask them (like I
had to do) will inform you that the title was honorary. Worse,
what they don't tell you is that none of the supposed institutions (2)
that presumably gave Lewis those "titles", existed at the time.

I can't tell you who I am but I can direct you to a Spanish language
site in Spain, put together by a Spanish university professor and
academic researcher about the falsehoods of Mr. Lewis from the start
of AMORC.

It is an ivestigative report that "60 Minutes" would be proud of. The
only thing, it's in Spanish:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/truthamorc/index.html

Let's not forget that English is the NOT the only language in the
planet and that Rosicrucianism has a much longer history in Europe
than in America.

After MANY years with AMORC, I can say, after meeting and spending
personal, one-to-one quality time with the Imperator of the
Orden Rosacruz of Spain over a few days, that this Order has much more
to offer to the sincere seeker.

It started its cycle of activities in 1988 after the Order being
dormant for about 108 years in Spain.

The website in English (even more recent due to the translation
efforts) is:

http://www.rosicrucian-order.org/

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Pictor et Architectus

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DFeyers

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May 22, 2004, 9:00:20 AM5/22/04
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> After MANY years with AMORC, I can say, after meeting and spending
> personal, one-to-one quality time with the Imperator of the
> Orden Rosacruz of Spain over a few days, that this Order has much more
> to offer to the sincere seeker.
>
> It started its cycle of activities in 1988 after the Order being
> dormant for about 108 years in Spain.
>
> The website in English (even more recent due to the translation
> efforts) is:
>
> http://www.rosicrucian-order.org/

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Dear "anonymous " ,
It is relatively common knowledge that H. S. L .
obtained
his P.H.D from some obscure University in India . At that time
everybody was giving each other Charters , titles ,etc . Because of S.
Clymer's attacks
against Lewis , FUDOSI was created . Clymer responded by creating a
similar network of " authentic orders " whose name I forgot .
Could you kindly answer 3 questions :

1 ) What proof did your Imperator show you that the Orden Rosacruz
existed prior to becoming dormant sometime around the year 1884 ?

2 )What topics does your order cover that is not covered in the
AMORC
degrees ( e.g. Alchemy ,Astrology , Kabalah , Hermeticism ) ?

3 )If you were in the shoes of Imperator Bernard , what changes would
you introduce to make the AMORC teachings Better ?
Peace Profound

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Pictor et Architectus

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May 22, 2004, 3:51:19 PM5/22/04
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On 22 May 2004 06:00:20 -0700, Fey...@hotmail.com (DFeyers) wrote:
>
> 3 )If you were in the shoes of Imperator Bernard , what changes would
>you introduce to make the AMORC teachings Better ?
> Peace Profound
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________

Thanks; and Peace Profound to you too.

If I were Imperator of AMORC I would start by stripping all the "PhD"
titles off AMORC books written by HS Lewis and erasing all
references to "Dr." as in "Doctor Lewis" in all AMORC publications; by
telling all AMORC members via a special edition of the
"Rosicrucian" Forum that Mr. Lewis had no PhD and that he invented and
falsified a lot of correspondence between him and the
French and that he was never initiated into anything R+C.

I would offer to translate the pages that I mentioned,

http://usuarios.lycos.es/truthamorc/

into English and French to begin.

I would come clean that AMORC has no roots in antiquity, beyond the
20th century.

I first joined AMORC in 1970 and then again in 1980 when I started
"from scratch" again and have been to this day, a member. I
finished the 12th Degree and much more.

However, I am no longer interested and with the 50% or so increase in
dues, that'll do it for me.

I have the chance now to be in the ground floor of a more traditional
Rosicrucian Order who's Imperator I have known and talked to
for days.

Try that with Bernard.

I have learned a lot about AMORC from former members too. Some of them
were AMORC Legates to other countries and another one spent a
lot of time with Ralph during his walks around R+C Park in San Jose
before his physical body died.

Ralph Lewis was a decent man compared to his father and didn't invent
any tales except for the false explanation of HS Lewis' arrest
in NY for which he was cleared, it has to be noted. The problem is
not that he was arrested (anyone can be) but that he was cleared
of the misappropriation of AMORC funds BUT the problem is that Ralph
lied about the cause of the arrest. The story he gave was
completely invented.

If you don't understand Spanish, I'd suggest you get someone to
translate this research for you; it's worth it.

AMORC has done a fair job of interesting people in the Western
Esoteric Tradition (and even at that they could have done a better
job by teaching us more about the names and works of past R+C
Masters).

To Each His Own.

With best wishes of Peace Profound

Yours Truly

Pictor et Architectus

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May 22, 2004, 6:33:16 PM5/22/04
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:48 GMT, Sar Repertoris
<sar.rep...@cyberia.net> wrote:

>...The question, of course, when it comes to
>an individual's claim to the possession of such a title is whether it has
>been genuinely conferred and done so by a legitimate university.
>
>Sar Repertoris

In American culture (as in the USA), honorary degrees are never
mentioned with the person's name and real titles when trying to
attract the attention of potential buyers.

Simply put, HS Lewis wanted to impress his audience by mentioning his
fake "PhD". Did you know that there is no record of him having
graduated from high school?

Another thing: For he having been a professional photographer he took
no photographs of the places and people he presumably "visited" in
Europe.

AMORC is a an HS Lewis invention. He even implies that in his account
with a being called "AMORCUS" in a christian church in NY.

"Thank god" that others took AMORC over, including his son Ralph, who,
having the utmost respect for his father (nearly the perfect son)
didn't object to anything his father did while he was alive but upon
his father's death he stripped or eliminated some mailings after the
ninth degree that were a total invention of his father.

This all comes from people who were there. I will not refer to this
again.

I have no agenda here but the truth.

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Pictor et Architectus

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May 22, 2004, 8:05:03 PM5/22/04
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:17:17 GMT, Sar Repertoris
<sar.rep...@cyberia.net> wrote:

>
>No one has to submit to a particular culture of any nation. We all have
>free will, therefore it is up to us individually what we do in respect to
>the inclusion or non-inclusion of honorary titles after one's name. ...

So you agree with the truth that I presented: HS Lewis was a charlatan
and nothing that he founded can be of real value, right?

Thanks.

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Kerouac

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May 23, 2004, 3:32:08 PM5/23/04
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Sar Repertoris <sar.rep...@cyberia.net> wrote in
news:KnTrc.4991$L.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au:

> Pictor et Architectus wrote:
>
>> However, I am no longer interested and with the 50% or so increase in
>> dues, that'll do it for me.
>

> Commercialism is somewhat acceptable in our contemporary world, simply
> because a monetary system is imposed onto us by governments,
> businesses and even the ordinary citizen. It should be realised,
> though, that extreme commercialism of which is based on greed and
> imbued with selfish motives is definitely not sanctioned. In other
> words, an organisation has to financially survive in the world, but
> not at the expense of its members and friends. The principle of
> brotherhood, which is one of the foundational teachings expounded by
> the Great White Brotherhood and all true Masters, Adepts and
> Initiates, would be compromised were humanity taken financially
> advantage of by supposed mystical, metaphysical, occult,
> philosophical, alternative thought, new age and spiritual
> organisations with their officials and members.
>
> So-called spiritual, philosophical, metaphysical, occult, esoteric,
> psychic, alternative thought and new age organisations have become
> popular in today's world. In many instances, though, rather than
> abiding by the Cosmic Law, the spiritual principles and possessing
> right motives, such as these have in the main degenerated to varying
> degrees into what can be best described as commercial enterprises
> instead of spiritual, uplifting and educational movements based on
> selflessness and magnanimity of heart instead of selfishness and
> greed. In this respect, unfortunately, they have made thesame mistake
> as those of old of whom strayed in that direction. For example, some
> of the sects of the Egyptian priesthood in ancient Egypt essentially
> degenerated into making money their god.
>
> This means that where fees have to be charged to cover worldly
> expenses, such is done so with the appropriate spiritual insight,
> which entails keeping the high spiritual principles to the fore of
> consciousness. The fees must be kept reasonable and should not
> disadvantage the members and friends of the organisation. Fees,
> however, shouldn't be charged for the teaching. In fact, it is an
> ancient principle of the White Brotherhood that a fee for teaching is
> not acceptable.
>
> The foremost work of these organisations is the preservation and
> promulgation of the ancient wisdom and all genuine additions thereto
> in the world of form that are derived from the progressive revelation
> of Truth for the benefit of humanity. This cannot be done successfully
> when the mindset of the leaders of organisations as well as their
> members is primarily focused on the acquisition of money. Money is not
> the end, it is not the most important thing to concentrate on.
> Unfortunately, though, in our contemporary world money has become the
> be-all and end-all of everything. People have lost perspective, which
> has led to the development of an unbalanced mind and a lust for money
> that never is satisfied. Building up treasures on Earth is not
> building up treasures in heaven, as the saying goes.


The values that are stated in the AMORC monographs are quite sound. It's
Code of Life is salutory. It's teachings provide a sound basis for
developing as a mystic and human being. It is also very important to read
non-AMORC material particularly by writers who are outside of the
'mystical' writing loop, to be skeptical and not treat the monographs like
the Bible.

As for the discussions about the characters of AMORC and other Rosicrucian
notables, some of what I have read here seems quite contrary to how members
of the Order are supposed to conduct themselves.

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Teletourgos

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May 24, 2004, 5:55:52 AM5/24/04
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> After many years of belonging to AMORC, I finally verified what I
> originally suspected of the founder, Harvey Spencer Lewis.
> BTW, he was no "PhD". Even AMORC, if you insistently ask them (like I
> had to do) will inform you that the title was honorary. Worse,
> what they don't tell you is that none of the supposed institutions (2)
> that presumably gave Lewis those "titles", existed at the time.

How did you verify this ? Any details ?

>
> After MANY years with AMORC, I can say, after meeting and spending
> personal, one-to-one quality time with the Imperator of the
> Orden Rosacruz of Spain over a few days, that this Order has much more
> to offer to the sincere seeker.
>
> It started its cycle of activities in 1988 after the Order being
> dormant for about 108 years in Spain.


And what was the Rosicrucian history in Spain before that ? Can you
verify any of it ?

Names, dates, initiations, that sort of thing ?


Jean

Teletourgos

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May 24, 2004, 6:05:26 AM5/24/04
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>
> Simply put, HS Lewis wanted to impress his audience by mentioning his
> fake "PhD". Did you know that there is no record of him having
> graduated from high school?
>
> Another thing: For he having been a professional photographer he took
> no photographs of the places and people he presumably "visited" in
> Europe.


What would this indicate ? These people were members of secret
societies in a srongly Catholic country, France.

Do you think they would have let him take photos of them ?

When AMORC did publish a photo of members of FUDOSI in 1946, it caused
a lot of anger from the Europeans, and I am sure it was a factor in
the dissolution in 1951.

So Lewis's failure to provide mugshots and addresses need not add up
to much, when you consider it in its proper context.

>
> AMORC is a an HS Lewis invention. He even implies that in his account
> with a being called "AMORCUS" in a christian church in NY.
>
> "Thank god" that others took AMORC over, including his son Ralph, who,
> having the utmost respect for his father (nearly the perfect son)
> didn't object to anything his father did while he was alive but upon
> his father's death he stripped or eliminated some mailings after the
> ninth degree that were a total invention of his father.


He also cut out the alchemy and took a buddhist, agnostical tack on
things. Which is probably nice, and good luck to him, but it aint
necessarily Rosicrucian, you know.

This is also the guy who suggested AMORC members steal library books
written by arch-rival Clymer, so let's not get too warm-n-fuzzy about
him.


Jean

Teletourgos

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May 24, 2004, 6:18:10 AM5/24/04
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>
> >
> >No one has to submit to a particular culture of any nation. We all have
> >free will, therefore it is up to us individually what we do in respect to
> >the inclusion or non-inclusion of honorary titles after one's name. ...
>
> So you agree with the truth that I presented: HS Lewis was a charlatan
> and nothing that he founded can be of real value, right?
>
> Thanks.


What is it they say ? There is an answer to any problem ,that is
simple, clear and wrong.

He was a bit of a charlatan. Not the worst by any shot. But a bit of
a liar.

But how do you get from this that anything he founded would not be of
real value ? Isn't that a bit of a jump in reasoning ?

Jean

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Pictor et Architectus

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May 29, 2004, 9:00:19 PM5/29/04
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:17:17 GMT, Sar Repertoris
<sar.rep...@cyberia.net> wrote:

> Also, I should add, it will be ongoing until genus homo of Terra
>live the spiritual life and begin to tell the truth about things rather
>than inventing accounts while presenting them as fact.

Agreed!

And AMORC should tell all of its members of the lies that it has
propagated throughout the ages. Especially by "Dr" Lewis himself.

Pictor et Architectus

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Jun 4, 2004, 8:20:42 PM6/4/04
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On 24 May 2004 02:55:52 -0700, telet...@yahoo.co.uk (Teletourgos)
wrote:

>> After many years of belonging to AMORC, I finally verified what I
>> originally suspected of the founder, Harvey Spencer Lewis.
>> BTW, he was no "PhD". Even AMORC, if you insistently ask them (like I
>> had to do) will inform you that the title was honorary. Worse,
>> what they don't tell you is that none of the supposed institutions (2)
>> that presumably gave Lewis those "titles", existed at the time.
>
>How did you verify this ? Any details ?
>

Sure. I already gave them but here it is again:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/truthamorc/

It's in Spanish, written by a Univ. professor and researcher.

AMORC from Mexico wrote to the Spanish Lycos system administrators
that host those pages and gave them 15 days to remove the site "or
else".

Well, it took much less time than that for the University professor to
reply telling AMORC of his credential as a well respected impartial
academic researcher and that if AMORC thought some of his research
results were incorrect they were welcome to present proof of that.
And that since his pages were a result of legitimate, professional and
academic research, they would not be removed.

AMORC's reply? "Uh, OK!".

When confronted by a powerful adverasry (THE TRUTH), AMORC blinked.

Bah!

susanatorr...@gmail.com

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Dec 27, 2019, 8:48:05 PM12/27/19
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Wonderful. I always suspected that the writings of H. Spencer Lewis were FAKE!. I do have a legitimate Ph.D. degree and whenever we publish a book, or a paper, or anything, we must give references from where the material was referred. That is NOT the case of books like "The Mistical Life of Jesus" written by H. Spencer Lewis, and so many other garbage he wrote. He NEVER, EVER, provided any academic references about what anything he mentions. All he mentions is the verbal tradition, but all that was only in his head. I AM SO HAPPY I LEFT THE ROSICRUCIANS (AMORC). i GOT THE 12TH DEGREE and all I can say is that there is a lot of fanfasy, lies, and absurds in their teachings which ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING!. Becoming a member of AMORC or of ANY OTHER "MYSTICAL" organization is literally a WASTE OF MONEY and a WASTE OF TIME!!!!. TOTAL WASTE OF MINEY AND TIME!.
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