Yes, Vriginia, There Is An Indigenous Iraqi Christian Community
Dharmananda
Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
By Sonia Nettnin
The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq. They
live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of Mosul
-- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
Since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, what is the future of this Christian
society? Recent bombings and attacks on Christian churches and institutions
in Iraq raise questions about the security of these people in their
homeland.
On Wednesday, human rights attorney, Robert DeKelaita, Esq. spoke about the
Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq at North Park University in Chicago. DeKelaita,
who is a prominent activist also, discussed his visit to Iraq in October
2003. He is a member of the Assyrian Academic Society and The Hamurabi Law
Society.
He told a tragic account of an Assyrian girl, 16 years-old, kidnapped for
ransom. The men raped her. Dekelaita recounted a phone call from the girl
to her family.
"They have all taken me," she said. "I feel death."
She felt she dishonored her father and her brother. She explained that if
she did get out, she would kill herself.
Her family listened to her heartbreaking words?the girl was never heard from
again.
Even today, kidnapping-for-ransom is still prevalent. President of the
Interim Government of Iraq, Ghazi Al-Yawar explained that kidnappers are
selling people to third or fourth gangs (Interview on Meet the Press, aired
December 5, 2004).
What is happening to Iraq's women? How can they conduct daily activities? If
Iraq's women are not safe, then how can they participate in January's
elections?
"My recent visit?allows me to tell the story of our people and the agony
they are experiencing." DeKelaita said. Iraq is in a fragile state and the
diversity within Iraqi society is at a fork in the road also.
DeKelaita explained churches hold landmark status, but there is no testament
to this vanished people. Now, some of the churches are museums. "Indeed,
their heritage is an integral part of Iraq," he added.
While in Iraq, DeKelaita visited towns such as: Alqush; Batnaya; Tell Skope;
Tell Kepe; Sharafiyan; Baqufa; Qaraqosh (or Qar-Qudsh); Karimlsih (ancient
Kar Mulisi); Bartillah; and Ba'shiqa. Together, their population is at
least 70,000 people. The towns lacked proper, public sewerage. In Qaraqosh,
sewer water flooded the town's main road.
"These sites beg for reconstruction," he explained. "The water treatment
system is outdated."
For almost thirteen years, Iraqis suffered under U.N. and U.S. sanctions.
Their experiences crossed ethnic and religious lines.
According to Medact's report, "Enduring Effects of War: Health in Iraq
2004," summarized on the Voices in the Wilderness web site (vitw.org),
Medact details Iraq's health-sustaining infrastructure. Vitw summarized
from the report:
"The Iraqi infrastructure has been severely and repeatedly damaged by over
20 years of war, neglect and mismanagement, economic collapse and
sanctions. This has a direct and indirect impact on health as water and
sanitation, power supply, food security, housing, transport and many other
factors are important health determinants."
After the U.S.-invasion in March 2003, 90,000 Chaldo-Assyrians fled from the
chaos and escaped across Iraq's borders. As a result, Chaldo-Assyrians
abandoned their villages and they risk the loss of heritage.
At present, no governing body or organization conducted an official census
of this community. DeKelaita stated there are 28 million people in Iraq.
Hundreds of thousands of Chaldo-Assyrians live in Baghdad, Basra and Mosul.
Around 600,000 Chaldo-Assyrians live in Baghdad. Some estimates for the
total Chaldo-Assyrian population in Iraq are as high as 2.5 million. Here
are some approximations:
If there are a minimum of one million Chaldo-Assyrians in Iraq, they make up
3.6 per cent of Iraq's total population. If the maximum number of
Chaldo-Assyrians in Iraq is 2.5 million, then they total 8.9 per cent of
the population.
Within this range, the median population total is 1.75 million or 6.3 per
cent of Iraq's total population.
Since reconstruction began, sufficient funding is missing for this
community. Several non-governmental organizations began initiatives, but
their rebuilding is in isolated projects. These indigenous people feel
strongly about their coexistence within the community of Iraq.
"It is possible for people to live with each other," DeKelaita said.
Thus far, the Assyrian community in the U.S. organized a conference in
Washington D.C. Their message to Congress is the U.S. Government must
provide a safe haven for this community. "Hope is slipping," DeKelaita
added. "We need to find a way to protect our people."
One bright spot for these people is their education. The ten towns DeKelaita
mentioned have Aramaic-speaking schools. However, their communities need
funding so the people can improve their socio-economic conditions.
Together, Arabs and Assyrians are Iraqis who can coexist in peace. Decisions
made from fear do not create long-term solutions - the strength in
resilience is unity.
If the Iraqi people receive the financial means for reconstruction, then
they can rebuild their country. Increased trade and business will create a
vibrant economy for Iraq because Iraqis have the collective mind and heart
to make decisions about their future.
*************
Sonia Nettnin is a freelance writer. Her articles and reviews demonstrate
civic journalism, with a focus on international social, economic,
humanitarian, gender, and political issues. Media coverage of conflicts
from these perspectives develops awareness in public opinion.
Nettnin received her bachelor's degree in English literature and writing.
She did master's work in journalism. Moreover, Nettnin approaches her
writing from a working woman's perspective, since working began for her at
an early age.
She is a poet, a violinist and she studied professional dance. As a writer,
the arts are an integral part of her sensibility. Her work has been
published in the Palestine Chronicle, Scoop Media and the Washington Report
on Middle East Affairs. She lives in Chicago.
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Triratanam sharanam gaccami
Dharmananda
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Kavik Kang
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> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
>
> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
>
>
> By Sonia Nettnin
>
> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq. They
> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of Mosul
> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday. So
actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
--
22: 40. Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is
made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help
them. - Holy Qur'an
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>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
>>
>> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
>> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
>> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
>>
>>
>> By Sonia Nettnin
>>
>> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq. They
>> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of Mosul
>> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
>
> Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday.
> So
> actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
> obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
Hey, Donkey-Donger, you don't think it's possible someone might have missed
something that has been circulated (according to YOU *rollseyes*) for
24hours only?
Missed my other post didja?
Gutless wonder.
Just like yer soldiers.
> --
> 22: 40. Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is
> made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help
> them. - Holy Qur'an
CSGD: Aw Sharky luvs me.
Dharmananda
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>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
>>
>> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
>> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
>> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
>>
>>
>> By Sonia Nettnin
>>
>> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq. They
>> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of Mosul
>> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
>
> Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday.
> So
> actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
> obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
>
>
You're SO negatistic. Did you know that the majority of the planet cannot
afford TVs? And even if they could, the truth owes nothing to your
pathetic self-involved emotional affectations.
Kavik Kang
> Kavik Kang wrote:
>
> > "Dharmananda" <N...@neph.net> wrote in message
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> >> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
> >>
> >> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
> >> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
> >> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
> >>
> >>
> >> By Sonia Nettnin
> >>
> >> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq.
They
> >> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of
Mosul
> >> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
> >
> > Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday.
> > So
> > actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
> > obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
> >
> >
>
> You're SO negatistic. Did you know that the majority of the planet cannot
> afford TVs? And even if they could, the truth owes nothing to your
> pathetic self-involved emotional affectations.
It's all right here in this post. You said the US media does not report
about it. That is simply incorrect, they have reported on it. When faced
with the fact of your lie, you responded with... insanity. I don't even
understand the relation your response has to the conversation. Nobody even
has to look back in the thread, it's all right here in this post.
Basically, you had a nervous breakdown when shown to be wrong. It's all
right here in this post. Good work...
Kavik Kang
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> >> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
> >>
> >> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
> >> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
> >> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
> >>
> >>
> >> By Sonia Nettnin
> >>
> >> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq.
They
> >> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of
Mosul
> >> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
> >
> > Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday.
> > So
> > actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
> > obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
>
> Hey, Donkey-Donger, you don't think it's possible someone might have
missed
> something that has been circulated (according to YOU *rollseyes*) for
> 24hours only?
He lied. He said our media has not reported on it and they have. It's all
right here in this post. He was just lying, as usual.
ClickGraphics
Your an idiot, as usual.
It's all there in your post.
ClickGraphics
Your an idiot.
It's all right here in every post you write.
You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
between yer teeth.
Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than post
idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you dissagree
with, without providing any actual anything at all.
What a toss.
It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
ones. Good work...
Kavik Kang
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> > "ClickGraphics" <some...@dafrontdoor.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> >> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
> >> >> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> By Sonia Nettnin
> >> >>
> >> >> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq.
> > They
> >> >> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of
> > Mosul
> >> >> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
> >> >
> >> > Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this
yesterday.
> >> > So
> >> > actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is
> >> > an
> >> > obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
> >>
> >> Hey, Donkey-Donger, you don't think it's possible someone might have
> > missed
> >> something that has been circulated (according to YOU *rollseyes*) for
> >> 24hours only?
> >
> > He lied. He said our media has not reported on it and they have. It's
> > all
> > right here in this post. He was just lying, as usual.
>
> Your an idiot, as usual.
> It's all there in your post.
No, you just had no response so you said this instead. Clearly, he said our
media had not reported it and, clearly, they had. There is no debate to be
had here, these are simple and obvious facts.
Kavik Kang
No, that's just you attempting to mimic my posting style without
understanding how it works. You are ineffective when you do that, because
your words are not meaningful.
> You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
> inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
> between yer teeth.
> Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than
post
> idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you dissagree
> with, without providing any actual anything at all.
> What a toss.
> It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
> ones. Good work...
It doesn't work when it is not there in the post. All that is present in
this post is the obvious fact that he said that the media had not reported
about Christians in Iraq when, in reality, they had a report on that very
subject the day before he wrote that. Attempting to apply my tactics
against me won't work when you don't understand them. It is not right here
in this post, only my being proven correct is right here in this post. It's
simple and verifiable. It doesn't work when I am clearly correct. He said
it hadn't been reported, it had been reported.
Try and play my game with someone else, because you certainly are not
capable of playing it with me.
(I don't believe I'm saying this but... Thanks, Dean:-)
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> "ClickGraphics" <some...@dafrontdoor.com> wrote in message
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>> Your an idiot, as usual.
>> It's all there in your post.
>
> No, you just had no response so you said this instead. Clearly, he said
> our
> media had not reported it and, clearly, they had. There is no debate to
> be
> had here, these are simple and obvious facts.
You're more of an idiot than ever. Clearly.
You said all sorts of bullshit that you thought was smart and possibly
infuriating, and spat it out in an endless loop of repeated words and
concepts. Clearly. I'm not making this obvious. It's a simple and obvious
fact, and it's right there in your post. It's blatantly obvious.
You're an idiot and you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
CSGD
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>> >> Kavik Kang wrote:
>> > It's all right here in this post. You said the US media does not
>> > report
>> > about it. That is simply incorrect, they have reported on it. When
> faced
>> > with the fact of your lie, you responded with... insanity. I don't
>> > even
>> > understand the relation your response has to the conversation. Nobody
>> > even
>> > has to look back in the thread, it's all right here in this post.
>> > Basically, you had a nervous breakdown when shown to be wrong. It's
>> > all
>> > right here in this post. Good work...
>>
>> Your an idiot.
>> It's all right here in every post you write.
>
> No, that's just you attempting to mimic my posting style without
> understanding how it works. You are ineffective when you do that, because
> your words are not meaningful.
But if I'm mimicking your posting style and my words are not meaningful your
entire audience and fan-base that you think follows your every post can see
that your posts are therefore not meaningful.
It really is clearly obvious, I'm not making it up.
It's right there in all your posts.
It's a bad idea to attack strangers for no reason.
>> You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
>> inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
>> between yer teeth.
>> Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than
> post
>> idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you dissagree
>> with, without providing any actual anything at all.
>> What a toss.
>> It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
>> ones. Good work...
<KAPOW>
> Try and play my game with someone else, because you certainly are not
> capable of playing it with me.
But it is YOU that can't play the game, schizo.
It is clearly obvious, and there for anyone to see.
All it takes is a basic understanding of usenet idiosyncracies, which you
clearly don't have.
You mimic other poster's styles that have thwarted you before, spewing out
what little usenet slaps you've found to be effective, without having any
actual content to reveal.
That is obvious. It's right there in every post you write.
And stop snipping me.
I don't need to resort to your dishonest tricks.
> (I don't believe I'm saying this but... Thanks, Dean:-)
You're welcome.
CSGD
Dharmananda
>
> Your an idiot.
> It's all right here in every post you write.
> You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
> inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
> between yer teeth.
> Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than
> post idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you
> dissagree with, without providing any actual anything at all.
> What a toss.
> It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
> ones. Good work...
>
Nice Rant!
Dharmananda
>
> It doesn't work when it is not there in the post. All that is present in
> this post is the obvious fact that he said that the media had not reported
> about Christians in Iraq when, in reality, they had a report on that very
> subject the day before he wrote that.
You're picking nits. A TV program isn't "the media." The Neogoon media has
neglected this story, systematically, and right down the line, because it
doesn't jibe with their Cromagnon phantasies that Iraq is a bunch of
gibbering Muslim extremists.
Your mindlessness is astonishing. Drool me another pile. It will help me
figure out how many dozens of psychotic buffoons inhabit your one brain.
ClickGraphics
> ClickGraphics wrote:
>
>>
>> Your an idiot.
>> It's all right here in every post you write.
>> You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
>> inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
>> between yer teeth.
>> Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than
>> post idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you
>> dissagree with, without providing any actual anything at all.
>> What a toss.
>> It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
>> ones. Good work...
>>
>
> Nice Rant!
Thanks man.
It was a "poor mimickery" of Kubla Khan's.
Dharmananda
>
>>> You said total crap, like yer colon was attached to yer mouth from the
>>> inside, and now even when you close yer mouth it still squeezes out from
>>> between yer teeth.
>>> Basically you are a complete wanker that has nothing better to do than
>> post
>>> idiocy to try to rile up people whose political disposition you
>>> dissagree with, without providing any actual anything at all.
>>> What a toss.
>>> It's right here in your post, nobody needs to look at any of your other
>>> ones. Good work...
>
> <KAPOW>
>
>> Try and play my game with someone else, because you certainly are not
>> capable of playing it with me.
>
> But it is YOU that can't play the game, schizo.
> It is clearly obvious, and there for anyone to see.
> All it takes is a basic understanding of usenet idiosyncracies, which you
> clearly don't have.
> You mimic other poster's styles that have thwarted you before, spewing out
> what little usenet slaps you've found to be effective, without having any
> actual content to reveal.
> That is obvious. It's right there in every post you write.
> And stop snipping me.
> I don't need to resort to your dishonest tricks.
>
Nobody does, if they have an actual opinion. The guy is a troll, pure and
simple. He never posts anything but put-downs to what has been intiated by
somebody else.
Kavik Kang
I don't think that. Lots of people read these groups, lots of people see
these posts. They aren't reading to follow me, they are reading to follow
all of the discussions that interest them. I'm not delusional like you are.
> can see
> that your posts are therefore not meaningful.
No, because I speak of the subject being discussed. I confine my comments
to what has been or is being said. If you re-read this thread you will see
that your comments are "mimic without context" and are therefore
meaningless. If you track down posts where I have said the same things,
you'll find that they were directly related to the discussion and had
meaning within the discussion. So you couldn't be more wrong.
> It really is clearly obvious, I'm not making it up.
> It's right there in all your posts.
> It's a bad idea to attack strangers for no reason.
For example, like this. This is "mimic without context". When I say "I am
not making this up", I am always referring to defense doctrine. When I said
it was "all right there in your posts", it very obviously was. You are
merely mimicing the statements without any context. They relate to nothing,
and are therefore meaningless. Thanks for the example, no I don't have to
go looking through your posts to find one. You saved me a lot of work,
thanks.
> > Try and play my game with someone else, because you certainly are not
> > capable of playing it with me.
>
> But it is YOU that can't play the game, schizo.
No, it's obviously you. I made a simple statement that the original poster,
who was not even you, was wrong when he said that an item had not been
reported in american media. I was obviously correct, and that original post
was only 3 lines long. You, through your ego-based insanity, have turned it
into 5 or 6 100+ line posts of your attacking me for no reason at all. You
have no point, nothing to discuss, no information to add. All you have
done, for 5 or 6 100+ line posts now, is to attempt to attack me. If you
had any brain power at all you would realize that I have a nearly unmatched
level of experience in dealing with such attacks and that you are
essentially banging your head against a brick wall. I am more than willing
than to let you do so, as the more you do it the more you reveal your true
nature. At this point, I've pretty much taken care of you, since you have
no written nearly 1000 lines attempting to attack me over my original 3 line
post of demonstratably correct information. The news story very clearly did
air a day before the poster said the american media was not covering it.
That's what all of this has been about, that simple true statement.
"Schizo" is turning a 3 line, demonstratably true statement, into 1000 lines
and 3 days of name calling and ranting and raving. I'd stop now if I were
you, you are only embarrassing yourself and proving your ego based insanty.
But you won't, because you can't help yourself. I will, however, stop
replying too you soon, because there is no longer a need to reply, as you
have throughly demonstrated your ego based insanity and no longer have any
credability.
Would you like to bang your head against this brick wall of 20 years of
experience... or are you done yet?
> It is clearly obvious, and there for anyone to see.
> All it takes is a basic understanding of , which you
> clearly don't have.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. They don't call me "The
Teflon Believer" for nothing you know... I have three nicknames in the UFO
groups. "The Teflon Believer", "The Rational Proponent", and "The One and
Only Great Wall Debunker". Two of those nicknames are related to my expert
understanding of "usenet idiosyncracies", which is apparent to anyone who
has been reading my posts in this group. You really do harm yourself more
and more with every word you say.
> You mimic other poster's styles that have thwarted you before, spewing out
> what little usenet slaps you've found to be effective, without having any
> actual content to reveal.
This is, quite obviously, wholely applicable too you. It's amazing that you
would even dare to say this. You are describing yourself perfectly, and not
describing me at all, which is obvious to everyone.
> That is obvious. It's right there in every post you write.
> And stop snipping me.
> I don't need to resort to your dishonest tricks.
I don't resort to dishonest trickery, I expose it. Which is also clear to
anyone following my posts. And I have no choice but to snip parts of your
posts, if I didn't we would be up to 2000 lines of response to 3 lines of
obviously true statement rather than just 1000 lines. When I clip parts, I
clip the entire part, not a portion in order to alter the intended meaning
of the original poster. There is a big difference between keeping your
insane, endless rantings to a managable level without altering your intended
content and cutting out half a paragraph while leaving the other half out of
context so that it can be attacked dishonestly.
> > (I don't believe I'm saying this but... Thanks, Dean:-)
>
> You're welcome.
If you were Dean Adams this would be quite a challenge. I know Dean Adams,
I've met Dean Adams... You sir, are no Dean Adams:-)
I'm about done with you, since you aren't discussing any subject and are
only attempting to attack me. Attempting being the key word. 1000 lines of
response to a 3 line statement, without ever so much as mentioning the
original 3 line statement, has got to be some kind of Usenet record.
Kavik Kang
Well, here is the original post that you are talking about. Let's see if
anything you have said has any relation too it at all...
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"Dharmananda" <N...@neph.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm
>
> Sonia Nettnin: Chaldo-Assyrian Community of Iraq
> Monday, 6 December 2004, 11:46 am
> Opinion: Sonia Nettnin
>
>
> By Sonia Nettnin
>
> The U.S. media does not report about the Chaldo-Assyrians of Iraq. They
> live in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, and numerous towns north and east of Mosul
> -- around the ancient ruins of Nineveh.
Yes they do, there were stories all over the news about this yesterday. So
actually, they were a day ahead of you. Since this first sentance is an
obvious lie, there is no reason to read any further.
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Well, there it is. And as everyone can see, your response above has no
relation to the subject at all. As is readily apparent, you are merely
attempting to mimic my posting style (and doing a very bad job of it) and
using some phrase that I have used with you. It doesn't work when you have
no point, and when you aren't talking about anything at all. As is plainly
obvious, I am correct, and the poster said that it had not been reported in
the media when in fact it had the day before he said it. Your losing your
mind over this thread, and ranting and raving about essentially nothing,
only goes to prove that you are only interested in attack those whose
opinions you do not agree with.
Also, in the thread where I repeatedly told you that you didn't have the
slightest idea of what you were talking about, that was very obviously the
case. In that thread you were droning on and on about military issues when,
as anyone with any knowledge of the subject at all could plainly see, you
actually didn't have any idea what you were talking about. In that thread
you were saying things like "US soldiers are the worst trained soldiers in
the world" and similar rediculous nonsense that anyone, in any country, with
any knoweldge of the subject at all know with certainty are not true.
You continue to humilate yourself with stunning effectiveness. You think
you are being smart, when in reality you are merely proving to the world
that you are the opposite. The more you speak, the more you reveal your
true intent. I did mention that I have a lot of experience with people like
you, didn't I... Yes, that's right, I did.
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>> But if I'm mimicking your posting style and my words are not meaningful
> your
>> entire audience and fan-base that you think follows your every post
>
> I don't think that. Lots of people read these groups, lots of people see
> these posts. They aren't reading to follow me, they are reading to follow
> all of the discussions that interest them. I'm not delusional like you
> are.
That's right.
You just have a rambo Grand-daddy that single-handedly won both world wars,
think that we're fighting world-war III now, think that you worked on
developping Star Fleet Battles (and yet can't hold your job because you're
too special to be working where you're working), and think that saying the
same thing over and over again makes you smart.
It's a really bad idea to attack a stranger for no reason.
>> can see
>> that your posts are therefore not meaningful.
>
> No, because I speak of the subject being discussed. I confine my comments
> to what has been or is being said.
You might even believe that.
> If you re-read this thread you will see
> that your comments are "mimic without context" and are therefore
> meaningless.
You may not be able to see meaning in me hollowly repeating your idiocies,
but that does not mean they are without meaning. That is blatantly
obvious... I'm not making this up.
> If you track down posts where I have said the same things,
> you'll find that they were directly related to the discussion and had
> meaning within the discussion. So you couldn't be more wrong.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about, as usual.
You're an idiot, it's clearly obvious. Anyone can see that. It's right
there in every post you write.
>> It really is clearly obvious, I'm not making it up.
>> It's right there in all your posts.
>> It's a bad idea to attack strangers for no reason.
>
> For example, like this. This is "mimic without context". When I say "I
> am
> not making this up", I am always referring to defense doctrine.
I know. I've got a good understanding of Kevin Khan Doctrine. It is very
poorly worded, but it goes something like this:
When a poster is saying something that isn't pro-war enough, Kevin steps in
and uses terminology, phrases, and words that are carefully constructed to
make Kevin Khan appear as though he knows a lot about the subject without
actually providing any content whatsoever that proves it.
> When I said
> it was "all right there in your posts", it very obviously was. You are
> merely mimicing the statements without any context. They relate to
> nothing,
> and are therefore meaningless. Thanks for the example, no I don't have to
> go looking through your posts to find one. You saved me a lot of work,
> thanks.
Don't thank me till my job's done.
I've got a lot more examples for you yet, Dickk.
Felt the shiver when I first spotted ya didja?
Who am I, though, Bettis?
>> > Try and play my game with someone else, because you certainly are not
>> > capable of playing it with me.
>>
>> But it is YOU that can't play the game, schizo.
>
> No, it's obviously you. I made a simple statement that the original
> poster,
> who was not even you, was wrong when he said that an item had not been
> reported in american media. I was obviously correct, and that original
> post
> was only 3 lines long. You, through your ego-based insanity, have turned
> it
> into 5 or 6 100+ line posts of your attacking me for no reason at all.
There's reason.
You just can't see it, yet. Probably never will.
> You
> have no point, nothing to discuss, no information to add.
Because I am mimicking you. Still can't see how that works, can you?
> All you have
> done, for 5 or 6 100+ line posts now, is to attempt to attack me.
The word "attempt" alone shows your weakness, Bettis.
You incessantly respond because, like under all your other sockpuppet
identities, you desire the attention.
And know that you can't get rational educated attention because it is not in
your nature to be able to deal rationally or in an educated way with it.
So you knock it and bluff it and hope your imaginery fan-base will believe
your bluff over the posts of your adversary.
You really haven't changed at all, have you?
> If you
> had any brain power at all you would realize that I have a nearly
> unmatched
> level of experience in dealing with such attacks and that you are
> essentially banging your head against a brick wall.
Well I am at a dissadvantage, since I don't make imaginary games for an
unnamed software manufacturer that I am abandoning because I could do such a
better job without a paycheck from someone whose been in business for many
years, and I don't have an imaginery grandpappy that was skilled at every
aspect of war and espionage but mysteriously was very mysterious about it.
> I am more than
> willing
> than to let you do so, as the more you do it the more you reveal your true
> nature.
Like I have any other nature.
> At this point, I've pretty much taken care of you, since you have
> no written nearly 1000 lines attempting to attack me over my original 3
> line
> post of demonstratably correct information.
You're still on about that original post are you?
I thought it wasn't about Iraq, it was about World War III?
Now it's not about the big picture, it's about the small one at the start.
My you are confused, aren't you? It's right there in your post. I'm not
making this up.
> The news story very clearly
> did
> air a day before the poster said the american media was not covering it.
> That's what all of this has been about, that simple true statement.
>
> "Schizo" is turning a 3 line, demonstratably true statement, into 1000
> lines
> and 3 days of name calling and ranting and raving.
Oh, no, that's just self-entertainment.
See, like every single poster you've come across in the past that has
slapped you with the slaps you now use in this newsgroup, I find you
amusing. You are like a toy for a pet. The more the pet chews and slobbers
on it, the more fun they get out of it. Especially if that toy jiggles and
squeaks from time to time... you see what I'm saying here, elite IQ boi?
> I'd stop now if I were
> you, you are only embarrassing yourself and proving your ego based
> insanty.
Oh please! Please stop!
Did the press stop when Michael Jackson asked them to stop knocking him?
That would just have been boring.
> But you won't, because you can't help yourself. I will, however, stop
> replying too you soon,
I know.
You've been sprung, Dickk.
If and when you stop, you'll recommence.
> because there is no longer a need to reply, as you
> have throughly demonstrated your ego based insanity and no longer have any
> credability.
You think I want credibility?
What, with your fan-base?
I couldn't give a rats dung what your imaginery fan-base thinks of me, you
self-declared alien-abductee.
> Would you like to bang your head against this brick wall of 20 years of
> experience... or are you done yet?
Your an idiot.
It's clearly obvious. It's there for anyone to see.
>> It is clearly obvious, and there for anyone to see.
>> All it takes is a basic understanding of , which you
>> clearly don't have.
>
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. They don't call me "The
> Teflon Believer" for nothing you know... I have three nicknames in the
> UFO
> groups. "The Teflon Believer", "The Rational Proponent", and "The One and
> Only Great Wall Debunker".
Search for Author "The Rational Proponent"... ZERO entries.
http://www.google.com.au/groups?safe=images&as_uauthors=The%20Rational%20Proponent&lr=&hl=en
Search for posts containing text "The Rational Proponent"...SUCCESS.
Shit you really are good at giving yourself away, aren't you??
http://www.google.com.au/groups?as_q=The%20Rational%20Proponent&safe=images&lr=&hl=en
Third post down, "Rational ETH Proponent"... Dickk (Kevin Khan) creates a
new identity called "Mark Michalik", camoflages it with "dissengage lurk"
bullshit, and proceeds to start a new thread.
Signs the post with his self-designated nic "The Great Wall Debunker:-)".
http://www.google.com.au/groups?q=The+Rational+Proponent&hl=en&lr=&selm=01bd6d50%24fc9b7660%2460057cce%40Kavik.worldnet.att.net&rnum=5
Re-engages "lurk", like his Klingon character "Kang" (that his current
character is named after) would re-engage cloak. Notice the email address
of
Michael Michalik. ka...@dimensional.com. Current sockpuppet's name "Kavik
Kang".
Sharkmeat; I present to you - Dickk Bettis.
You total and utterly transparent twat, Dickk.
Now, as I said before, run off and get yourself a new sockpuppet name,
because now that I know what sockpuppet you've been using more recently than
"Dickk" and "DICK BETTIS", you are far weaker than you were yesterday.
> Two of those nicknames are related to my
> expert
> understanding of "usenet idiosyncracies",
Two (out of two searched) are self-appointed nicknames.
So if they come from this superb understanding of yours, they come from YOUR
BELIEF of this superb understanding.
Surely you can see by now just how sprung you are, and that you cannot
possibly hide from me or anyone else that knows about you.
Would you like me to drag up some of your more memorable posts, Dickk?
Usenet never forgets.
> which is apparent to anyone who
> has been reading my posts in this group. You really do harm yourself more
> and more with every word you say.
You're a loser, Dickk.
You always will be.
You make no effort to be anything else; the closest you come is creating a
new sockpuppet name, and "retrying" to appear intelligent, starting a new
bluff and seeing how long it will last.
This bluff lasted all of two days since I noticed you.
How long you wish to draw it out is completely up to you, and only amuses
me.
Lahoo.
Zaher.
>> You mimic other poster's styles that have thwarted you before, spewing
>> out
>> what little usenet slaps you've found to be effective, without having any
>> actual content to reveal.
>
> This is, quite obviously, wholely applicable too you. It's amazing that
> you
> would even dare to say this. You are describing yourself perfectly, and
> not
> describing me at all, which is obvious to everyone.
Yes, I'm sure your fan base hates my guts, Bickk Dettis.
>> That is obvious. It's right there in every post you write.
>> And stop snipping me.
>> I don't need to resort to your dishonest tricks.
>
> I don't resort to dishonest trickery, I expose it.
You post under thousands and thousands of different sock-puppet names, each
one spewing forth a new message, sometimes even directly in opposition to
previous messages, and yet leaving a glowing red trail linking them all
together.
You are about as dishonest as a Usenet poster gets, Dickk.
And you've been busted.
Again.
> Which is also clear to
> anyone following my posts.
Your fan-base is mighty quiet, aren' they.
Must all be without keyboards.
> And I have no choice but to snip parts of your
> posts, <SLAP!>
Bye Dickk.