We've Got A Good Thing Here...
Poly Glot
I've always believed that diversity is good. Diversity of opinion, of
attitudes, of interests, etc. I'll never demean someone just because
his or her opinion diverges from mine or for any other perceived
difference. However, I believe that we are genetically encoded to
behave in just the opposite manner. Oddballs, whether by their look or
behaviour are usually shunned or attacked by their neighbours.
The subscribers to this newsgroup have interests which would be
considered odd by most members of society. The internet allows us to
find others with similar interests and develop our own community of
misfits. I find it a little disappointing that some whose interests
would likely result in them being considered outcasts by society at
large, behave in a manner designed to marginalize individuals within
their own interest group. I.e., we attack each other too much. We
should seek allies, not enemies.
It's obvious that someone with a distinct dislike for Bill Dobbins
spoofed the identity of James Harris (who I believe founded the
newsgroup used by him in his transfer of photos) and probably also
spoofs Lasse Vorma, perhaps others and likely has several identities of
his own.
I don't know why some subscribers hate Dobbins so much. He does have an
ego and he is not really one of us (in the sense of this genetically
programmed interest in muscular women). He is trying to make a living
from his site and is behaving in what I would consider responsible ways
to promote it. Hopefully, his approach to business is to win customers
by his merits, not by killing all his competitors off and leaving no
choice. (Just look at the junk posted on the newsgroup used by James
Harris to see the kind of spam which irritates me.) But...diversity is
good.
The spoofing and copyright issues are troubling. For example, I have
about 100k of my own photos. But I also have thousands pages of
magazine excerpts of interesting, relevant material going back to the
early 1930's. Someday I would like to share some of this material, but
I am puzzled by the copyright issues. I'm certain that much of the
older material is out of copyright, but I don't want to have to spend
onerous amounts of time trying to find out the status of any particular
item. Moreover these excerpts come from all over the world. Most
importantly, the internet is not a US phenomenon. So quotes regarding
California or US law seem irrelevant to me. I don't live in the US.
(For example, there are sites in Russia and other countries offering
copyright material for free. I suspect the proprietors of these sites
are Americans and I doubt that much can be done about them. Check the
keyword, 'fosi', for interesting freeware. So if I were aggressive
about flouting someone's copyrighted material, I would just set up shop
in one of these rogue countries.)
The spoofing and attempted hacking of members' computers also trouble
me. When economic damage is done by these activities, then the
authorities will be pressured to develop countermeasures or regulations
to minimize such damage. This is already happening to some extent with
the FBI's new monitoring program and the new IP protocol, IP6, will have
features which will allow more tracking.
So...if we abuse this good thing we have, we're going to lose it.
(Recognize as well that there are some individuals who would like this
good thing to go away and if they were aggressive in attaining this goal
they would foment chaos and discourse.) We should all have a vested
interest in behaving responsibly.
Rouhi Huddleston
diffferent from the norm (by the same token, we instinctively tend to
worship those that we consider the strong/"best and the brightest"- even if
some of these individuals actually do terrible things eg. a Napoleon, for
example, who is admired by many as being a "master military strategist", but
who by the same token was responsible for the deaths of thousands of
innocents; my own pet peeve is against the CEOs of some big corporations,
who are unwittingly worshipped by many in our society for their 'rags to
riches stories' and their huge salaries, but many of whom are actually
responsible for carrying out massive amounts of environmental destruction
and social injustices), but this can be avoided if we learn to follow our
INTELLECTS rather than our INSTINCT.
Poly Glot <poly...@neverevermind.com> wrote in message
news:39A95263...@neverevermind.com...
Bill Dobbins
determine who is "genetically programmed" in what way or whether this is an
essential qualification for being involved in this newsgroup.
One thing: You talk about not "killing off competitors." I agree. I
CREATE competitors by giving the women I shoot full access to my photos to
use on their own websites and setting up links to those sites. I feel that
the more interest there is in female physique on the Internet in general,
and the more traffic there is interested in this subject, the better my
site is going to do in the long run.
But people who use my photos (or those of any other photographer) without
authorization and use them on pay websites, free websites or published in
"floods" are NOT legitimate competitors. They are copyright violators
using protected intellectual property against the interests of those who
created that material in the first place. That is no more competition than
it would be if I stole cars from an auto dealer and opened a lot to sell
them across the street.
BD
Dr Arm®
>
> Let's not spoil it.
Dobbins has been poisoning this newsgroup for just over a year. And
since that cocksucker showed up the quality of this newsgroup has
suffered.
Dobbins posts hundreds of posting under false names and attacks other
posters by emailing complaints to either them or their ISP's. CrazedVole
and many others have stopped posting because of complaints from Dobbins
and Goode and the other money grubbers.
Dobbins and his ilk can go elsewhere. This was a fine newsgroup long
before Dobbins and his spammers started coming around here and trying to
run it. Good ridance to his kind.
da
phob...@my-deja.com
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/pubs/95psa.html
http://www.theatriarch.com/usenet/posts/dobbins0.jpg
In article <39A95CDE...@gte.net>,
> Poly Glot wrote:
>
> > Let's not spoil it.
> >
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Before you buy.
Paul B. Goode
totally filtered out of my home computer but not out of my laptop. I'll
take care of that now. What a joker. I can't believe his mom hasn't
spanked his butt silly yet for being such a naughty boy. Got to keep these
immature12 year olds off the newsgroups.
Dr Arm®
Newsgroup Poisoners such as Bill Dobbins have been harrassing
posters
that post pictures in the newsgroup, even though that has never
been
shown to cause any financial loss to anybody and NO ONE has ever
collected any damages from p[osting in Usenet newsgroups.
Yet these same multimedia parasites feel free to add stolen
commercial MUSIC to their videos without the permission of the
owner,
or payment, or even acknowledgements!
The same bastards that whine about newsgroup posting are
stealing from the musicians that wrote the music. And their theft
is
COMMERCIAL, unlike the posters that post picturers in this
newsgroupo.
These same paracites feel free to spam their pay-for
websites in the newsgroups but they are quick to forget about the
illegality
of that, even though we all have to pay to support their
advertising.
Their ILLEGAL advertising.
Recently I saw one of them whining about how much money
Annie would lose do to the free posting of her pictures. Ha what
a lie
that is!
Annie was paid just $150 dollars for all those poses,
Note, Dobbins doesn't even pay that much! Zero is his
payment.
And no matter how many time those pictures of Annie get sold
SHE DOES NOT GET ANOTHER PENNY!
The laugh about this is that the money grubbers that piss
and moan about the postings pocket all the money and do not ever
share
it
whith the women. And now they have the nerve to point the finger
of
guilt and say that Annie will lose money! Bullshit! Just another
lie
from
a spammer.
There are labels for these people that make their money off
women like this, without doing any benefit for the women: Pimps
and
Paracites.
The few dollars they that the womwen get, if they get that,
is hardly a stipend that helps support them.
When wewas the last time you were able to travel very far
for $200 to a sitting? Yet the women are expected according to
one
spammer, to add to their lifestyle from the petty fees? Nonsense!
The only one that might suffer from posting a thousand Annie
picturers is the pimp and paracites that ripped her off for the
free
or nearly free sittings. And they corner the market so in some
ways
the women are trapped by these bastards.
Playboy pays $30000 for a sitting. These parasites that
photograph FBB's don't. They are vermon and bastards and deserve
to be
treated as such.
Starting with bastards Dobbins and Goode.
Don't support these cocksuckers!
Dr Arm®
picturers here, Others have borne witness to this fact.
It's the people that complain to ISPs that destroy the newsgroup, not
people that defend the right to free posting here.
Anybody that was here two years ago knows how far down this newsgroup
has sunk thanks to Dobbins and Goode and their ilk.
Harris, ~con, and others no longer post because of the poison emails of
Dobbins and Goode and a few others!
There used to be hundreds of binaries posted here every day. Now maybe
just a few.
It's your newsgroup! Don't let the greedy spammers and money grubbers
that post one picture for you to "admire" take it away.
Screw the money grubbers like Dobbins and Goode! They have NO RIGHT to
post and advertise in the newsgroups that YOU PAY FOR!
Don't subscribe to pimp paysites that keep the money for themselves and
the women get ZERO! Blast these pimps inthe newsgroup! Send complaints
when they post their illegal spam! Drive them out of the newsgroup!
da
Dr Arm®
I want to point out that for about a year and a half now
Newsgroup Poisoners such as Bill Dobbins and his sidekick Goode have
been harrassing posters that post pictures in the newsgroup, even though
that has never been shown to cause any financial loss to anybody and NO
ONE has ever collected any damages from having pics posted in a Usenet
newsgroups.
Yet these same multimedia parasites feel free to add stolen
commercial MUSIC to their videos without the permission of the
owner, or payment, or even acknowledgements!
The same bastards that whine about newsgroup posting are
stealing from the musicians that wrote the music. And their theft
is COMMERCIAL, unlike the posters that post picturers in this
newsgroup.
These same paracites feel free to spam their pay-for
websites in the newsgroups but they are quick to forget about the
illegality of that, even though we all have to pay to support
their
advertising. Their ILLEGAL advertising.
Recently I saw one of them whining about how much money
Annie would lose do to the free posting of her pictures. Ha! what
a lie that is!
Annie was paid less than $150 dollars for all those poses,
Notice, Dobbins doesn't even pay that much! Zero is his
payment! ZERO!
And no matter how many time those pictures of Annie get sold
SHE DOES NOT GET ANOTHER PENNY! Zip, none, nada.
The laugh about this is that the money grubbers that piss
and moan about the postings pocket all the money and do not ever
share it with the women.
And now they have the nerve to point the finger of guilt and say
that
Annie will lose money! Bullshit! Just another lie from a spammer.
There are labels for these people that make their money off
women like this, without doing any benefit for the women: Pimps
and Parasites.
The few dollars that the poor women get, if they get any at all,
is hardly a stipend that helps support them!
When was the last time you were able to travel very far
for $150 to a sitting? Yet the women are expected, according to
one spammer, to add to their lifestyle from these petty fees?
Nonsense!
The only one that might suffer from posting a thousand Annie
pictures is the pimp and parasites that ripped her off for the
free or nearly free sittings and make MONEY FROM YOU that does
not go to
the women! Ask these bastards how much money they have given
Annie! Ask
Annie!
And these bastards corner the market so in some ways the women
are
trapped by these bastards. Promises of being in magazines that
never
wash true.
Playboy pays $30000 for a sitting. These parasites that
photograph FBB's don't.
They are vermon and bastards and deserve to be treated as such.
Starting with bastards Dobbins and Goode.
Don't support these cocksuckers! Don't support their paysites!
Get them
out of the newsgroups!
Tre' Scott
"Don't subscribe to pimp paysites that keep the money for themselves
and the women get ZERO!"
Please inform us about what the women get in return for competing.
For winning the heavyweight class of the Jan Tana this year, Th-resa
Bostick received a check for $2000. The woman who placed second has
been training for at least as many years and has also spent countless
thousands of dollars in preparing to get on stage, yet she walked away
with nothing...not even a trophy.
Before you start picking on the photographers for the way in which they
create their art, perhaps a more pertinent issue to deal with are the
'pimps' who have these women willing to sell their very souls for the
'fame' that they'll never be able to translate into a steady income.
ciao
--Tré
jabber
>
less from you.
As Bill Dobbins even questioned though, why do you, Poly Glot, not think he
is one of us? There's such a thing as a distancing mechanism, and some of
"us" he may choose not to emulate - this goes for many folks, but say it
loud and say it proud, "I am a femuscle admirer"...
Again, thanks for your comments....
-jabber
Bill Dobbins
one of degree. As in
liking
preferring
requiring
BD
Tre' Scott
one of degree. As in liking preferring requiring
Ya, like Dr. Drew says, "A fetish is something you really can't do without."
--Tre'
Paul B. Goode
was doing just fine until you got here.
Paul B. Goode
always wanted to do video.
What kind of drugs is this guy on? I guess the reform school needs to keep
the violent young thug sedated.
Panthe8236
see some Donna Olivera
Bill Dobbins
exploited pawns. They are pioneers in a new and difficult sport and one that
hasn't yet achieved the level of respect they deserve. They are athletes but
they are also women in a complex, modern society and that means they have to
deal with all the stresses, pressures and choices that face all women.
They may be fantasy objects but they have real lives that have little to do
with the stuff of fantasy.
BD
Lucky wrote:
> Tre' Scott wrote:
>
> >
> > Before you start picking on the photographers for the way in which they
> > create their art, perhaps a more pertinent issue to deal with are the
> > 'pimps' who have these women willing to sell their very souls for the
> > 'fame' that they'll never be able to translate into a steady income.
> >
> > ciao
> >
> > --Tré
>
> If the women are indeed "willing to sell their very souls", then I would
> suggest that is entirely down to them, and not these so called pimps. Am I
> the only one who finds it difficult to reconcile the image of the female
> bodybuilder as the strong, independant amazon, and that of the exploited
> and manipulated pawn?
Noni Juice
wrote:
>
>
>Tre' Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> Before you start picking on the photographers for the way in which they
>> create their art, perhaps a more pertinent issue to deal with are the
>> 'pimps' who have these women willing to sell their very souls for the
>> 'fame' that they'll never be able to translate into a steady income.
>>
>> ciao
>>
>> --Tré
>
>If the women are indeed "willing to sell their very souls", then I would
>suggest that is entirely down to them, and not these so called pimps. Am I
>the only one who finds it difficult to reconcile the image of the female
>bodybuilder as the strong, independant amazon, and that of the exploited
>and manipulated pawn?
It's what you call a "pair a ducks", isn't it?
Lucky
Lucky
Noni Juice wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:24:27 +1000, Lucky <luckee...@earthling.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> It's what you call a "pair a ducks", isn't it?
Sorry, that's gone right over my head. No idea what that means.
Lucky
Bill Dobbins wrote:
> Female bodybuilders, as a group, are neither independant Amazons nor
> exploited pawns.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's not the message one might get from
reading this group for example. Tre' went so far as to say that they sell their
souls for next to nothing. Others would raise them to mythical status based on
their physical attributes. These perceptions are often promoted by the women
themselves. It presents a paradox which is impossible to ignore.
> They are pioneers in a new and difficult sport and one that
> hasn't yet achieved the level of respect they deserve.
I believe you need to give the public more credit than that. It knows what it
likes and it doesn't particularly like female bodybuilding. It is a new sport,
but not that new.
Bill Dobbins
it is in a constant state of change and development so becomes "new again" over
and over. People who were surprised by the muscularity of Rachel McLish were
surprised again when Cory came along 20 lbs bigger, again with Lenda and once more
with Kim Chizevsky. And it isn't just that the sport is new - the whole concept
of women developing their muscles for aesthetic purposes is unique in all of
history. It never happened before. So of course it is difficult for many people
to accept. But as somebody said, "It wouldn't be much of a revolution if everyone
agreed with you at the beginning, would it?"
Actually, people like female bodybuilding more than they think. They get confused
by the stereotypes. But if you have Denise Masino, Lenda, Melissa Coates and
others walking through a mall in tight dresses they not only get attention from
the males, but frequently find women come up to them and want training and diet
advice.
Personally, I think female bodybuilding will end up much more popular than
bodybuilding for men. But only time will tell.
BD
Dr Arm®
>
> I had no idea I had any videos out. I wish I knew what I was shooting.
Yeah, I think most people would say that about you also.
I
> always wanted to do video.
>
> What kind of drugs is this guy on?
And that too.
I guess the reform school needs to keep
> the violent young thug sedated.
Do they? You would know.
Dr Arm®
>
> Before you start picking on the photographers for the way in which they
> create their art, perhaps a more pertinent issue to deal with are the
> 'pimps' who have these women willing to sell their very souls for the
> 'fame' that they'll never be able to translate into a steady income.
>
No, Tre, I think that the photographers are an excellent place to start.
Especially the two boobs that frequent this newsgroup, the same the two
that are pelting the ISP's of people like crazedvole when they post pics
here. Indeed, it's extreamly appropriate.
da
> ciao
>
> --Tré
Dr Arm®
Am I
> the only one who finds it difficult to reconcile the image of the female
> bodybuilder as the strong, independant amazon, and that of the exploited
> and manipulated pawn?
What is difficult about that? It's been going on for millenia!
Ever see a tougher girl than a teenaged street hooker? You think her
pimp is her best friend? You think she's exploiting HIM???
It seems the real tragic crimes are the ones that the prevailing social
climate is incapable of seeing as crimes. Not too long ago spousal abuse
was just domestic squabling, and rape was a forgivable crime of urges.
The direction of history is towards greater civilization, Lucky, not the
other way around.
da
Dr Arm®
Dobbins has been poisioning this newsgroup with his constant haranging
complaints to the ISPs of the posters here. That's why people like ~con
and Crazed and other s have stopped posting here.
da
Dr Arm®
>
> I've never made a complaint to an ISP. You are certainly insane. The ng
> was doing just fine until you got here.
I was here long before you. And we did a lot better before you got here,
parasite.
da
Tre' Scott
"If the women are indeed 'willing to sell their very souls', then I
would suggest that is entirely down to them, and not these so called
pimps. Am I the only one who finds it difficult to reconcile the image
of the female bodybuilder as the strong, independant amazon, and that
of the exploited and manipulated pawn?"
Lucky, first off, let me say that I'm actually happy you're disagreeing
with me here - maybe now people will stop trying to say that you and I
are one and the same! lol
I don't want to overgeneralize here, but a large number of the women in
this industry are not as 'strong & independent' as you might think.
Many get into training in the first place in an effort to overcome a
variety of disorders or to escape abusive situations drowned in
negativity.
But something in the brain chemistry holds some of them back from being
able to make a complete break - for example: there's a beautiful young
female bodybuilder with a huge physique (5-6, and up to 185-190 in the
off-season) - she's 27 years old, but cannot seem to get her ex-
boyfriend out of her life. She says they're no longer dating, yet he
still controls her. I've met the guy and he was nothing but a barely-
literate roid-punk...and while she used to be into the drugs herself,
she does hold a college degree and has good job prospects.
Her example is just one of many, but the more global issue here is that
of women (and men, too, but I don't care about them!) who pay so much
and who put in so many hours chasing a promised dream that will never
be.
As you said, it *is* up to them to decide, but the problem as I see it
is that MOST competitors do not have all the knowledge possible in
order for them to make informed decisions. And personally, I see
nothing wrong with sharing knowledge about the way this
shady 'business' works.
Is Tiger Woods a Nike whore? You bet, but Nike, Buick, etc and his
abilities on the golf course make it possible for him to make ends meet
each month and also to enjoy a few niceties on the side.
USA Canoe/Kayaking are sponsored by Eddie Bauer and Champion. Ok, it
makes sense for Eddie B to be linked, as those can be
considered 'adventure sports', but Champion?? They make paper, for
crying out loud!
Bottom line: canoeing and kayaking are Olympic sports and even though
they don't get a lot of media coverage, it's still good PR for those
companies to back them.
When the bodybuilding & fitness industry gets smart and opens up,
things will be better for everyone involved. But for now, it's not
even a joke to the outside - worse, it's a non-factor, and that's not
good for anyone.
ciao
--Tré
jabber
"Bill Dobbins" <bill...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:39AC4ACC...@gte.net...
>
> They may be fantasy objects but they have real lives that have little to
do
> with the stuff of fantasy.
>
-jabber
Lucky
Tre' Scott wrote:
> "If the women are indeed 'willing to sell their very souls', then I
> would suggest that is entirely down to them, and not these so called
> pimps. Am I the only one who finds it difficult to reconcile the image
> of the female bodybuilder as the strong, independant amazon, and that
> of the exploited and manipulated pawn?"
>
> Lucky, first off, let me say that I'm actually happy you're disagreeing
> with me here - maybe now people will stop trying to say that you and I
> are one and the same! lol
They're saying that? I'm flattered....
>
>
> I don't want to overgeneralize here, but a large number of the women in
> this industry are not as 'strong & independent' as you might think.
> Many get into training in the first place in an effort to overcome a
> variety of disorders or to escape abusive situations drowned in
> negativity.
My question, which in all honesty, was mostly rhetorical, was posed to
challenge the often ridiculous and non-real perceptions of the women held
by some (most maybe), in groups like this. (I understand I may be
misjudging people, but that's how I see it). To me, female bodybuilders are
just people with muscles. I like them. I'm attracted to them. But they're
just people. I've read quotes and articles from some that left me impressed
with them, and then others that, well, didn't.
Thinking about it now, however, I almost regret posing the question as it
appears I may be about 2 years late in doing so. There does seem to be a
more cynical mood within the group these days compared to its 'glory days'.
I'm not sure.
>
>
> But something in the brain chemistry holds some of them back from being
> able to make a complete break - for example: there's a beautiful young
> female bodybuilder with a huge physique (5-6, and up to 185-190 in the
> off-season) - she's 27 years old, but cannot seem to get her ex-
> boyfriend out of her life. She says they're no longer dating, yet he
> still controls her. I've met the guy and he was nothing but a barely-
> literate roid-punk...and while she used to be into the drugs herself,
> she does hold a college degree and has good job prospects.
>
> Her example is just one of many, but the more global issue here is that
> of women (and men, too, but I don't care about them!) who pay so much
> and who put in so many hours chasing a promised dream that will never
> be.
This is what often leaves me confused. You say they chase a promised dream.
Are they tragically naive or merely misinformed? Or is that perception
wrong again? Perhaps most women know extactly what they're getting into and
what they can expect from it. Competing only for the satisfaction of doing
so and to nourish the competitive spirit. Any thing more would be great but
not necessarily counted on. I'm speculating now. I'm not the best placed to
know.
>
>
> As you said, it *is* up to them to decide, but the problem as I see it
> is that MOST competitors do not have all the knowledge possible in
> order for them to make informed decisions. And personally, I see
> nothing wrong with sharing knowledge about the way this
> shady 'business' works.
Answers the above question.
>
>
> Is Tiger Woods a Nike whore? You bet, but Nike, Buick, etc and his
> abilities on the golf course make it possible for him to make ends meet
> each month and also to enjoy a few niceties on the side.
>
> USA Canoe/Kayaking are sponsored by Eddie Bauer and Champion. Ok, it
> makes sense for Eddie B to be linked, as those can be
> considered 'adventure sports', but Champion?? They make paper, for
> crying out loud!
I thought they made spark plugs :/
>
>
> Bottom line: canoeing and kayaking are Olympic sports and even though
> they don't get a lot of media coverage, it's still good PR for those
> companies to back them.
>
> When the bodybuilding & fitness industry gets smart and opens up,
> things will be better for everyone involved. But for now, it's not
> even a joke to the outside - worse, it's a non-factor, and that's not
> good for anyone.
I would have to agree with you here.
Thanks.
Dr Arm®
Dr Arm®
phe...@my-deja.com
Tre' Scott <tres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't want to overgeneralize here, but a large number of the women in
> this industry are not as 'strong & independent' as you might think.
> Many get into training in the first place in an effort to overcome a
> variety of disorders or to escape abusive situations drowned in
> negativity.
>
> But something in the brain chemistry
SNIP Well lets broaden that to just plain 'something' least we begin an
unyieldy list. Good point though and agreed, sad may it be.
> holds some of them back from being
> able to make a complete break - for example: there's a beautiful young
> female bodybuilder with a huge physique (5-6, and up to 185-190 in the
> off-season) - she's 27 years old, but cannot seem to get her ex-
> boyfriend out of her life. She says they're no longer dating, yet he
> still controls her. I've met the guy and he was nothing but a barely-
> literate roid-punk...and while she used to be into the drugs herself,
> she does hold a college degree and has good job prospects.
>
SNIP Unfortunately some... many (people in abusive situations FBB's, women,
men, children, anyone) find themselves unable to break free of such
situations. They can be so consumed and overwhelmed by their predicaments
that even with intervention, support, and counceling (three needed
ingredients which many never recieve) they may never break free mentally and
emotionally.
> Her example is just one of many, but the more global issue here is > that
> of women (and men, too, but I don't care about them!) who pay so much
> and who put in so many hours chasing a promised dream that will never
> be.
>
> As you said, it *is* up to them to decide, but the problem as I see it
> is that MOST competitors do not have all the knowledge possible in
> order for them to make informed decisions.
SNIP Exceedingly good point. One I overlooked in a previous post.
>And personally, I see
> nothing wrong with sharing knowledge about the way this
> shady 'business' works.
SNIP Walk through the darkness with open eyes huh? A little dramatic Tre' but
agreed nonetheless.
>
> Is Tiger Woods a Nike whore? You bet, but Nike, Buick, etc and his
> abilities on the golf course make it possible for him to make ends meet
> each month and also to enjoy a few niceties on the side.
SNIP To apply this example to one of your other examples Tre', Tiger is that
"winner walked away with $2000", there were golfers at Tiger's heels who
despite talking second, third, etc, walked away with little. (Okay the
definition of 'little' here must be taken in proportion.... winning million
dollar contracts vs $2000 and recieving runnerup money vs no money)
>
> USA Canoe/Kayaking are sponsored by Eddie Bauer and Champion. Ok, it
> makes sense for Eddie B to be linked, as those can be
> considered 'adventure sports', but Champion?? They make paper, for
> crying out loud!
SNIP Paper, sparkplugs (Lucky), and here I'm thinking athletic apparel...
which does go with the theme. http://www.championusa.com/
> When the bodybuilding & fitness industry gets smart and opens up,
> things will be better for everyone involved. But for now, it's not
> even a joke to the outside - worse, it's a non-factor, and that's not
> good for anyone.
SNIP Well fitness recieves some mainstream opportunities, but not in the
areas to which you are refering.
>
> ciao
>
> --Tré
>
> -- http://www.femsport.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
-Phenoms
Paul B. Goode
I have to disagree with you here. I've stood in the lobby of Ceasar's
Palace with Melissa Coates. I didn't notice anyone look at her with
respect. They thought she was a freak of nature. The comments I heard
after I left Melissa were extremely negative.
I find this to be true when I am with any woman bodybuilder who approaches a
national amateur or pro status. People in general find their appearance
disgusting.
I spent a lot of time this week photographing and relaxing with two women
bodybuilders and no one came up to them to ask about diet or workouts. As
with Melissa, people either thought they were men in drag or freaks.
Debbie Kruck is a big woman but I've never seen anyone who thought her
physique was disgusting. I hate to bring up the drug issue again but that's
what seems to separate the "freaks" from the muscular women who are
appreciated.
Let's be honest. Women's bodybuilding at it's present level of muscularity
will only be accepted by a very very very small group of people. Roller
Derby gets better sponsorship than bodybuilding. So do the new women's
extreme sports like mountain biking.
This shouldn't matter to bodybuilding fans and it should only matter to the
competitors if they want to earn a better living. Many famous artists and
musicians died as paupers and became famous only after their deaths. For
those on the fringe, that is the chance you take.
Bulldog930
"Dr ArmŽ" <Ar...@Armory.arm> wrote in message
news:39AC8D...@Armory.arm...
> Dobbins is an opertunistic exploiter. And a newsgroup spammer.
>
>
> Dobbins has been poisioning this newsgroup with his constant haranging
> complaints to the ISPs of the posters here. That's why people like ~con
> and Crazed and other s have stopped posting here.
>
>
> da
>
decimated this newsgroup. You never have anything positive to say. You
continuously attack people and there work. You use profanity way too much.
Finally, you think you are informed. The truth of the matter is that you
have allowed others to do the thinking for you. Unfortunately, those who
you learn from are bottom-feeders.
Dr Arm®
> >
> > You are so crude and out of touch to even realize it is you who has
> decimated this newsgroup. You never have anything positive to say. You
> continuously attack people and there work. You use profanity way too much.
> Finally, you think you are informed. The truth of the matter is that you
> have allowed others to do the thinking for you. Unfortunately, those who
> you learn from are bottom-feeders.
>
>
this newsgroup except for your unwanted off topic political biases and
misinformation.
You are prejudicial and judgemental and totally off topic.
You are rude, and ill mannered, And you are a political flunky, a
product of the Democratic Party's huge propaganda machine, you jump to
your party's tune that is called for you by your party masters.
You do not know how to think for yourself. I hope you've learned
something herduring your short and unappreciated stay, bottomfeader.
In case you didn't here's a new lesson for you to learn: Truman started
the cold war. Regan ended it.
Go and pontificate no more!
da
Cary Jacobs
By the by... It was Eisenhower who started the cold war, and Bush finished
it.
Dr Arm®
>
> For the most part, you just described yourself, DrCoward...
>
> By the by... It was Eisenhower who started the cold war, and Bush finished
> it.
I'm sure I'm wasting my time on you, ignorant turd, but the cold war
started under Truman. The Korean War started under Truman. The Vietnam
War started under Truman.
Eisenhower didn't take office until 1953 at which time all these things
were going on.
Idiot.
Now the other part: The cold war ended under Regan. The formal collapse
of the Soviet Union occured under Bush.
Idiot.
da
Cary Jacobs
forces, and the retalitionary buildup of american forces, started under
Eisenhower. The Korean war? Eisenhower. Vietnam? I believe Truman was
dead by then, fool.
And Reagan put the knife into the soviet union, but the berlin wall didn't
drop 'til Bush. You're too stupid for words sometimes, DrCoward.
Dr Arm®
>
> No, Germany was seperated under Truman, but the military buildup of russian
> forces, and the retalitionary buildup of american forces, started under
> Eisenhower. The Korean war? Eisenhower. Vietnam? I believe Truman was
> dead by then, fool.
You really are stupid.
No, Germany was seperated under Roosevelt, moron. Potsdam meeting
Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill. Idiot!
The cold war started under Truman, moron. Churchill coined the phrase.
Idiot!
The military buildup of Russian and other forces was under Truman,
moron. The Berling airlift took place up till 1947, Under Truman, and
forces were already built up b y then, obviously. Moron!
The Korean war? Truman, moron. His idiotic sec of State said something
implying that we would not defend Korea, Stupid. The Korean war started.
You really are stupid!
Truman fired Mcarthur for "insubordination" while the war was still in
progress. You really are a moron. Learn your Korean war history from
MASH? Stupid.
The Vietnam war began umnder Truman, moron. Truman violated FDR's
promise to Ho Chi Min to support free elections in Vietnam in exchange
for support in fighting the Japanees. After WWII Truman reniged on that
promise, Vietnam was returned to France, and the Vietnam war began. YOu
really are a funcking moron. What an idiot you are. Too stupid!
You rally are a moron, aren't you? You can't even pass a basic twentith
century history test, stupid.
YOu didn't know the right anwser to one of these! Not one! You really
are stupid.
What a fucking moron, Ollie! Too stupid for words.
Stupid and never had a woman, What a idiotic combination!
MORON!
da
Cary Jacobs
every once in a while.
Dr Arm®
misconceptions about almost eveything that's happened since WWII!
You must have either attended the Democrat schools system or are just
plain stupid. Probably both. At leasst you are smart enough to be a
Democrat, you Al Gore-worshiping moron!
Maybe you should consider that GED program. I hear it's even offered in
prisons, Caryann.
da
Dr Arm®
Cary Jacobs wrote:
>
> No, Germany was seperated under Truman, but the military buildup of russian
> forces, and the retalitionary buildup of american forces, started under
> Eisenhower. The Korean war? Eisenhower. Vietnam? I believe Truman was
> dead by then, fool.
You really are stupid.
No, Germany was seperated under Roosevelt, moron. Potsdam meeting
Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill. Idiot!
The cold war started under Truman, moron. Churchill coined the phrase.
Idiot!
The military buildup of Russian and other forces was under Truman,
moron. The Berling airlift took place up till 1947, Under Truman, and
forces were already built up b y then, obviously. Moron!
The Korean war? Truman, moron. His idiotic sec of State said something
implying that we would not defend Korea, Stupid. The Korean war started.
You really are stupid!
Truman fired Mcarthur for "insubordination" while the war was still in
progress. You really are a moron. Learn your Korean war history from
MASH? Stupid.
The Vietnam war began umnder Truman, moron. Truman violated FDR's
promise to Ho Chi Min to support free elections in Vietnam in exchange
for support in fighting the Japanees. After WWII Truman reniged on that
promise, Vietnam was returned to France, and the Vietnam war began. YOu
really are a funcking moron. What an idiot you are. Too stupid!
You rally are a moron, aren't you? You can't even pass a basic twentith
century history test, stupid.
YOu didn't know the right anwser to one of these! Not one! You really
are stupid.
What a fucking moron, Ollie! Too stupid for words.
Stupid and never had a woman, What a idiotic combination!
MORON!
da
Dr Arm®
of the word "moron" to describe Cary-the-moron. It really isn't
necessary to repeat wht everybody already knows anyway...
Caryann, you might want to clip and save this, just in case you're ever
asked anything about post-WWII history! MAybe Regis will call you up
some day and ask you if you want to earn fifty dollars. Hahahaha.
Cary Jacobs (a well-known moron) wrote:
>
> No, Germany was seperated under Truman, but the military buildup
of russian
> forces, and the retalitionary buildup of american forces,
started under
> Eisenhower. The Korean war? Eisenhower. Vietnam? I believe
Truman was
> dead by then, fool.
No, Germany was seperated under Roosevelt. Potsdam meeting
Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill where they planned Germany's "future".
The cold war started under Truman, Churchill coined the phrase.
The military buildup of Russian and other forces was under Truman,
Ever hjear of the Berling airlift? It took place up till 1947. That was
under Truman, and
forces were already built up by then, obviously.
The Korean war? Truman. His idiotic Sec of State said
something implying that we would not defend Korea, north of the 47th
parallel. The Korean war
started when North Korea invaded South Korea. Truman.
Truman fired Mcarthur for "insubordination" while the war was
still in progress. Did you learn your Korean war history from watching
MASH?
The Vietnam war began umnder Truman. Truman violated FDR's
promise to Ho Chi Min to support free elections in Vietnam in
exchange for HCM's support in fighting the Japanees. After WWII Truman
reniged on
that promise, Vietnam was returned to France as a colony, and the
Vietnam war
began.
YOu didn't know the right anwser to one of these! Not one!
MORON! <---Hahaha. I left that one in.
da
>>
>> And Reagan put the knife into the soviet union,
>
Dr Arm®
Spend the entire eight years of your highshchool career on drugs>? It
shows, stupid.
Brilliant post, Itchy the Moron!
Itchy wrote:
>
> Arm doesn't even understand WWII!
>
> Go, Arm! Go! The more you say, the more of an a**ho*e idiot you show
> yourself to be! Go! Do it, bro! Do it!
Cary Jacobs
out for propositioning the boy's basketball team.