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Charlie does not let Lisa near those scary ultra loud crinkly biodegradeable Sun Chips bags.
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I love this movie,and Wendy.Saw it when it premiered,but still,besides all the camp of it,how old is too old for a girl's "reform school" ? LOL ! But aside from that,THANKS for sharing this !
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Thanks for uploading this movie I love this movie so much I ordered the dvd off of eBay this movie clearly needs a remake.
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25:48 Bad girls sure do a lot of Showering.
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😲 Great movie! Thanks for uploading! Yay yay! 🍺😎👍
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Franchement ce film est excellent: amazing. Wendy puisses tu reposer en paix.
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Okay, this only is directed to the "stupid" side of America, not the genius scientists, engineers, electricians and other very helpful people too.
I referring to the Karens, People who wave their confederate flag proudly, Flat Earthers, Biased Feminists, Anti-Vaxxers, and facebook boomers who are calling millenials and Gen Z "incompetent".
The people who were born with 2 brain cells. I swear to god, the U.S. has such a bad look. Not only do we look like a fat, greedy, lob of poop in this world, half of us DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN SCIENCE! It's insane, there are people who deny BASIC SCIENCE AND BIOLOGY, claiming "We've done research to prove the earth is flat" and its not just them, the anti-vaxxers who claim that "the human body can develop without outside help" WHILE THEIR KID IS GROWING UP SPREADING MEASLES. I absolutely loathe the karens who are saying "we're in the U.S., speak english" it leaves such a bad impression on
U.S. when all we look like we spend our tax dollars on is farming oil, and crutches for chickens! We have terrible healthcare, I mean look at the people who have attempted suicide have had hospitable bills in the THOUSANDS! PEOPLE WONDER WHY PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEPRESSION DON'T SEEK HELP, BECAUSE THEY ARE GONNA GO INTO DEBT BY STAYING IN A HOSPITABLE ROOM FOR 2 DAYS SUFFERING FROM A KNIFE TO THE HEART! My god, I don't know how we are even a country.
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Can i rent one of those hospitable rooms ? Flat earthers ? Not all of us, champ - some of us can set up an equatorial mount telescope & tell u how it works.
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These people don't really exist. Only online. This is hurting you, making you more afraid and pessimistic than you'd be if you weren't seeing your worst nightmare traits in people all the time. Understand that the entire reason you feel this way is because public opinion influencers are paid to take advantage of millions of people like yours anxiety and weapons it for politics and identity engineering.
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We're not ever going to agree, the best we could hope for might be compromise. We still need to learn to live together, even if we completely disagree on almost everything.

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This is all kids cartoons in 2030
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Pretty much what "The Tom and Jerry Show" was. They sucked out the violence, and therefore the identity.
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Ironically, this is how the modern Roadrunner cartoons are.
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The Simpsons predicted today's crappy society and culture..
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Genuinely the only itchy and scratchy episode that made me laugh 😁 & I'm a huge Simpsons fan
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Around 6:00 - I thought it was just a helmet stuck on the rocks and I was like "Fuck it, just leave it. It's not worth your life." but then I saw it was a PERSON stuck in in there.=\
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Now, call me a fucking spoilt brat all the fuck you want but I don't give a shit. So, my parents are fucking dickheads who don't understand my social life, they check my fucking messages so that means my friends barely fucking text me. My parents force me to use my phone fucking downstairs, so if I Ft they listen in like pervs, so my friends don't fucking ft. Anyway, so my phone has a problem with it where data doesn't work on it. I lost my mango card (it's a type of bus card) and cos of Coronavirus I can't get a new one. I need £6 a day in cash which is quite hard since my family are more of card people (I don't have a credit or debit card yet tho). There was this app u need but it only works with data. SO my parents bought me a new phone. I was really excited cos I was going to get a good phone, my old phone as it is now, is fucking shit. But they got me a phone people would use in the fucking 2000s. A proper shit phone. Now, before you say "oh maybe they can't afford more than a £60 ($75) phone!". No. No. No. No. My parents send me to a schl that costs £15000 ($20000) a year so of course they could buy me a fucking phone them god-damn pricckkkks. So I'm going to go to school with my ugly ass bag and pencil case now with a shitty phone. FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING HELL

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"Now, call me a fucking spoilt brat all the fuck you want but I don't give a shit. "

That's all I needed to here. I swear to God if you were my kid, I would soap your mouth good. Second, you would be liucky if I didn't keep you locked -WITH A KEY- in your room. I would never give you a phone.

Fuck you spoiled rotten shits.

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All this article does is complain that the author doesn't look at what they buy before, you know, buying it.

You can plug anything into a wall outlet, but if you bought a cardboard box expecting it to contain a blender but did not bother to read what was printed upon that box, don't be surprised when you find a vacuum.
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This is what I like to call the "fix the user" argument. That users need to become better at navigating the world of inconsistent electronic and computing standards.
Can you imagine if the same was true of your regular wall power outlet i.e. if you had to research the voltage and current draw of every outlet before plugging in.
This is not a user problem, but a design problem. USB-C should have a minimum standards that at least does what 99% of users expect it to do. Any implementation not meeting that should not be allowed to use the ports or to identify as USB-C.
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Agree. And if there are different modes that a single tech can run in, make it as compatible as possible but make those modes transparent as the thunderbolt designation did successfully.
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if you plug arbitrary shit into an outlet in arbitrary countries, some of which share plugs, but not voltage or current ratings (or having varying length wire runs or circuit topology), you deserve to have it burst into flames.
Do your homework. Take responsibility for yourself.
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I've lost track of how many USB-C devices I have between my family. Never once have I had a problem charging a device or data transfers. None of my friends have ever complained either. While it is anecdotal evidence everyone I know loves the simplicity of USB-C from the reversible plug to higher power to faster data transfer.
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Reversible you say? So how come my samsung s9 charges slow when plugged in one way and fast the other? Original charger and cable. Pray tell.
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nipslan an hour ago
Your phone could be damaged. It's only reversible if the phone isn't broken. It's not magic but USB-C PD is designed right and works both ways. Either your charger or your phone are broken, the cord itself wouldn't work at all in both directions it was the issue. To some extent your phone may not even be USB PD because Samsung may have said screw it we want to make pele's life difficult and use USB-C with QC which is a proprietary format. This isn't USB-C PD's fault as again the spec is working perfectly.
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Joe_Dragon 31 minutes ago
you may need to pick out the dust in the port on the phone.
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fahrbot-bot an hour ago
Reversible you say? So how come my samsung s9 charges slow when plugged in one way and fast the other? Original charger and cable. Pray tell.

A long time ago my aunt had an electric analog/dial clock. Every time the power would go out/on, the clock would start running backwards (you could see the sweep second hand moving counter-clockwise). Simply un/re-plugging it wouldn't fix it, you had to turn the plug over and plug it back in reversed. Electrical devices can be weird.
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jellomizer an hour ago
I expect it is an old AC powered clock. I am willing to guess it would go backwards 50% of the time you plug it in and out. depending how where you were on the AC curve.
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fahrbot-bot 31 minutes ago
I expect it is an old AC powered clock. I am willing to guess it would go backwards 50% of the time you plug it in and out. depending how where you were on the AC curve.

Ya, someone explained it once like that, but in more detail, but thought I'd mention it anyway as a case of weird, unexpected behavior, like the post a few up describing his USB-C charger/cable fast charging plugged in one way and slow charging the other way.
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Malays2 bowman 5 minutes ago
"I expect it is an old AC powered clock. I am willing to guess it would go backwards 50% of the time you plug it in and out. depending how where you were on the AC curve"
It must be a very old clock, with a motor directly driven from the AC line.
I'd expect newer analog clocks to convert and step down the voltage to pulsed DC. In the US, this would give you a nice steady 60hz signal that can be easily/cleanly divided into seconds/minutes/hour pulses (60 each) though surely only seconds pulses would be used in practice. Even older/cheap digital alarm clocks get their timing signal from the AC wave.
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Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago
"divided'
More like 60hz converted to 1 pulse/sec
done with either an electronic counter or
a mechanical wheel. Easily scaled up from
there if at all required for minutes and
hours

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Chip Industry Wants $50 Billion To Keep Manufacturing in US
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The U.S. chip industry said as much as $50 billion in federal incentives will be needed to halt a decades-long trend of manufacturing moving overseas as China spends heavily to become a leading semiconductor producer. From a report:
The federal government needs to deploy $20 billion to $50 billion to make the U.S. as attractive a location for plants as Taiwan, China, South Korea, Singapore, Israel and parts of Europe, the Semiconductor Industry Association said in a study released Wednesday. Failure to do that threatens U.S. leadership of the sector as a whole, it added. The lobbying group, which represents companies such as Intel and Qualcomm, is making the pitch at a time when it believes Washington is more open to listening. The China-U.S. trade war and supply-chain disruptions caused by the pandemic have revealed the risks of having such vital components made abroad.
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago
Gotta love these welfare queens leaching off the American tax payers.
Here is an idea - pay your fucking taxes and then we can talk about bailouts or 'incentives' or whatever you hypocrites call your corporate welfare.
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago
If they could afford the taxes, they can afford to sell cheaper. No gov money needed. Its just greed that drives these stupid ideas.
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ShanghaiBill 5 hours ago
No gov money needed. Its just greed that drives these stupid ideas.
This isn't about "greed'. It is about national security.
Semiconductors are a critical industry. Everything depends on them, including every weapon system.
So is it worth $50B to keep semiconductor manufacturing on-shore?
In my opinion, no, it isn't worth it. Taiwan and Korea are reliable American allies. Even for $50B, we are only going to keep a small trailing edge portion of the industry. Any real product is still going to rely on foreign parts.
Rather than relying on "self-sufficiency" for security, we should build strong alliances with our friends and avoid pointlessly antagonizing our adversaries.
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timeOday 5 hours ago
The other question is whether a domestically-subsidized chip industry violates international trade agreements. If so, we would not find much of a global market for our chips. They would be banned or face stiff import tariffs around the world. Losing the export market would drive the cost of domestic production that much higher still. The result is a death spiral as the 'freedom chips' fall further behind in both price and performance.
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ShanghaiBill 4 hours ago
The other question is whether a domestically-subsidized chip industry violates international trade agreements.
There are exceptions for national security. For instance, France has declared yogurt making to be critical to national security, and Canada has a strategic maple syrup reserve. So I think America can justify subsidies for semiconductors. We have done so in the past.
If so, we would not find much of a global market for our chips. They would be banned or face stiff import tariffs
Indeed. America can subsidize them for domestic use, but exporting subsidized chips would violate trade agreements.
Losing the export market would drive the cost of domestic production that much higher still. The result is a death spiral as the 'freedom chips' fall further behind in both price and performance.
Indeed. America has subsidized semiconductors in the past, while falling further and further behind. There is no reason to expect this time to be different.
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AmiMoJo 3 hours ago
France tried, the EU rules prevented it.
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I'mjusthere 5 hours ago
So is it worth $50B to keep semiconductor manufacturing on-shore?
No, even if they did adhere to the agreement; which they won't. They'll use the money to do stock buybacks and for CEO bonuses - total waste of money - and move out of country anyway because of reasons.
They'll use "campaign contributions" (bribes) to get a one-sided deal that favors them and fucks us over. Nothing would happen to them when they double crossed us. And they'd come back for money.
IF these chips are soooo important, then how about spending a fraction of that money to build a fab plant or two owned and operated by the DOD?
Frankly, this is just a bullshit scare tactic to extort money out of the US taxpayer. And most of these chip makers are ALREADY multinationals. Having a factory here does jack shit. Even IF we had some sort of WWIII and these plants stayed, supply chains would STILL be disrupted because of our globalized supply chains.
tl;dr: BS scare tactic by the industry to get free money.
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ShanghaiBill 4 hours ago
No, even if they did adhere to the agreement; which they won't.
They aren't going to get a check for $50B. The subsidies would be in the form of higher prices for government contracts mandating "made-in-America" components.
how about spending a fraction of that money to build a fab plant or two owned and operated by the DOD?
Do you have any idea how much a modern fab costs to build and operate?
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cb88 4 hours ago
TSMC's 3nm fab cost something over 20billion... so There really is no reason you couldn't build a 3nm fab in the USA + a couple 7nm fabs for $50B, $50B is enough to start a brand new fab and operating costs until it breaks even most likely...

We already have fabs in the USA from which CPUs are sold across the glow many last gen AMD chips were diffused in NY... etc.. then shipped to China for dicing and assembly into a package. If they were the best CPUS people would buy them just as they always have reguardless of any incentives.
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Archtech 4 hours ago
Rather than relying on "self-sufficiency" for security, we should build strong alliances with our friends and avoid pointlessly antagonizing our adversaries.
Good advice, Bill. But excuse me, I just gotta....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Anonymous Coward an hour ago
I suppose you laugh at trade embargoes too.
The world theater matters and if you think more than a fraction of these multinationals exist as a supply chain here, if you think they're even remotely near the word "self-sufficient" on local soil, Archie, you'll need to excuse me as well.
Your lifestyle is supported by several industries and forms of expertise. You wear, eat, sleep, etc in things beyond your self-sufficiency, because you chose to focus on marketable strengths rather than spread yourself across shit others can do for you. Can do better.
Teenagers can figure this out, but if it seems complex then laugh on.
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dgatwood 4 hours ago
Semiconductors are a critical industry. Everything depends on them, including every weapon system.
So is it worth $50B to keep semiconductor manufacturing on-shore?
In my opinion, no, it isn't worth it. Taiwan and Korea are reliable American allies.
And are practically potato cannon distance away from China. In the event of another actual world war, provided the whole world doesn't get nuked, trusting countries that are so easily land-invadable or inflatable-raft-invadable by the country that is statistically most likely to be on the opposite side of that war is dubious at best.
Any real product is still going to rely on foreign parts.
You're not wrong, but having a silicon manufacturing presence somewhere other than eastern Asia is still pretty security-critical no matter how you look at it.
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hackertourist 3 hours ago
Taiwan and Korea are reliable American allies.
Taiwan has a target painted on its back - which has rapidly gotten bigger over the past few years. One more crisis in the USA, and China will feel free to invade.
South Korea is in a better position, if only due to the nutjobs North of them.
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Anonymous Coward an hour ago
Taiwan has become a direct path for the movement of information from the west to Mainland
Anything that Taiwan does at this point to protest actions from the Mainland are just kabuki (theater of a predictable nature)
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GroundBounce 2 hours ago
Sorry, don't hang our national security on Taiwan, unless the US makes a FULL commitment to defend Taiwan against an attack by the PRC with whatever effort is necessary - strong enough of a commitment to become a deterrent. Right now, we appear to the CCP as a paper tiger. Regardless of how you feel about the probability of the PRC invading Taiwan at any given time or whether the PRC will take the risk of doing so, the threat is there and must be accounted for in our national security strategy. Both Taiwan and South Korea are ideologically reliable partners at the moment, but Taiwan is heavily threatened by the PRC.
If Taiwan gets attacked, even if we defend them, those resources will be offline or compromised for a long time. That leaves South Korea as our least-threatened alliance partner. I've been designing chips for 35 years and I've dealt with both Korean (Dongbu, etc.) and Taiwanese fabs (TSMC, UMC) and the Taiwanese ones are better. Global Foundries is good but doesn't offer everything TSMC does. We ABSOLUTELY need to retain/regrow onshore cutting-edge, sustainable semiconductor capabilities to maintain stable national security. There's just no other option. It will have a cost. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be careful about how any funding or assistance is structured, and make sure it includes ways to keep companies accountable, but after working in this industry for my entire career (which makes me biased, I admit), I believe we absolutely must retain the lead in this technology, onshore as well as with reliable partners.
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Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago
Rather than relying on "self-sufficiency" for security, we should build strong alliances with our friends and avoid pointlessly antagonizing our adversaries.

Fortunately we've got just the right stable genius in charge to pull it off.
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DrMrLordX 2 hours ago
Add to this the fact that China is rapidly become LESS attractive as a location to move your business. Of all the times to ask for money to not move to China, why now? China jumped the shark. Sure, they want to keep spending money on moving more semicon (and other industries) to their country, but its becoming increasingly clear that doing so has ugly consequences for IP management and potential future supply chain interruptions as China starts up more trade disputes.
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jellomizer 5 hours ago
The Race to the bottom is a big problem with the American Economy.
The products that are strong exports from America are expensive quality product.
The products that seem to become soon to be outsourced are the cheap low quality products in which people only buy on price.
The trend with technology is making more disposable products vs a quality technology that we can use for decades. Any country can compete with cheap if you are willing to exploit you human capital.
If a company is willing to invest in its human and technology capital. Then they can focus on making a more quality product that you can sell for more.
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Rockoon 6 hours ago
I think the essential problem with giving an industry special benefits, as well as an industry wanting special benefits, is the part where its "special."

How about a non-special tax incentive. How about EVERY industry gets a tax credit for selling 100% American goods within America.

As far as "special" solutions go, notice how Intel/etc arent asking for "special" Tarrifs on foreign fabrication, and in fact lobby against it. The problem they really wish to solve is clearly not what they are claiming.
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AmiMoJo 3 hours ago
These kinds of things damage international trade. As much as domestic sales benefit, overseas sales suffer because other countries notice you are giving your own companies a boost that theirs have to compete with.
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fenrif 3 hours ago
Is that why no one trades with or does business in China then?
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AmiMoJo 3 hours ago
It's why countries don't do better trade deals with China and just rely on WTO rules instead, yeah.
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fenrif 2 hours ago
And this of course has really harmed China.
Crippled the country even.
If only they could trade with bespoke trade deals like literally every other country on the planet, eh?
One might wonder why the WTO even has a set of rules since they are so awful and lop sided against one of the parties.
But wait, you said "overseas sales would suffer" not "overseas sales would be conducted with slightly different regulations." Hmm....
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AmiMoJo an hour ago
Well actually the WTO rules do limit what they are doing. Just today the WTO ruled against the US trade war with China. Eventually it will lead to some kind of restitution. The US can of course make similar complaints if China breaks the rules.
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thegarbz 6 hours ago
Gotta love these welfare queens leaching off the American tax payers.
Not really. They are just being realistic. These companies make a fortune by producing in China. It stands to reason that if the government wants local industry they'll have to pay up.
"Pretty please forgo your profits to help #MAGA" Isn't going to get you very far.
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spun 5 hours ago
No, it stands to reason that if industry wants access to American markets, THEY should pay up. Don't want to make jobs here? Fine, we have plenty of people who will, and THEY can reap the benefits. Fuck China, we won't lose a thing if we cut them off. 100% tariffs for murdering, freedom hating, free market destroying state capitalists.
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timeOday 5 hours ago
You can try to hide the costs of rolling back globalization by using mandates such as trade restrictions instead of incentives. That doesn't make the costs go away, they're just hidden in higher prices etc. Better to see the costs up front and make the decision.
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Rob Y. 3 hours ago
Well, then you need to equalize the costs. A global minimum wage and global environmental standards would be a good start. Then what you lose in cheap imports, you gain in larger markets of people that can afford your stuff. The trick is to produce a prosperous global middle class without destroying the planet in the process. Easier said than done, but the current trends are sure to destroy the planet, while producing a global lower-middle class - including a large swath of the U.S. population.
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cygnusvis 5 hours ago
Fine, we have plenty of people who will,
No, we dont. The USA has a un-surprising lack of talent in chip manufacturing (or any manufacturing). The reason is that we convince kids to go to college instead of going to manufacturing (because jobs arent there). We dont have people that will produce chips in the USA, and we dont have the capital to produce chips in the USA.
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spun 4 hours ago
The richest country in the world lacks the capital to make modern factories? The country where everyone else sends their kids for an education, lacks the education?
I don't buy it.
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gweihir 5 hours ago
Sooo, you think the US can do without semiconductors in the future? Because that is pretty much what would happen.
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spun 4 hours ago
Funny thing, as a patriot, I believe in our country and our remarkable citizens. Why don't you?
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gweihir an hour ago
Funny thing, as a patriot, I believe in our country and our remarkable citizens. Why don't you?
A) I am not a patriot. That is a kind of stupidity I stay far away from. It blinds you to the truth.
B) If I were a patriot, I wold not be cheering mindlessly for the US, but for some entirely different country.
Also, invalid AdHominem argument is invalid.
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spun 39 minutes ago
Patriotism is not nationalism. Learn the difference. Patriotism is mature love, with eyes wide open. If you see your friend is being an asshole, you'd tell them and try to help them not be such an asshole, right? That's patriotism. I love my country and so I want to fix it.
Nationalism is "My country right or wrong." It's toxic, dependent love.
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thegarbz an hour ago
No, it stands to reason that if industry wants access to American markets, THEY should pay up.
That's not how companies work. That's at best how tariffs work, or how Putin's Russia works. Not something you should ever wish for America. The government has no business deciding winners and losers, they decide performance metrics at best.
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spun 41 minutes ago
For fucks sake, the government already decides winners and losers, just look at this story! The industry wants a hand out. Giving it to them would be deciding winners and losers.
We subsidize all sorts of American industries. We do not have a fee market, and the capitalists who control our society do not want one. They want to capture, corner and control every market they can find. Competition is anathema to capitalism.
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Krishnoid 5 hours ago
How about "Build the chips, not the wall?" . I mean, it's not like the wall project's going that well, and I hear the actual budget is kind of comparable.
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cygnusvis 5 hours ago
Its cute that you think budget means anything. 50 BIL is NOTHING to the US gov.
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WindBourne 4 hours ago
No.
Simply taxing them say 5-10% on GROSS sales unless they produce here, will likely move them here.
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thegarbz an hour ago
Don't be stupid. At best you can apply a tarrif, but a government taxing a specific corporation to get them to move is some Putin's Russia level of bullshit. An incredible slippery slope.
I'm not normally an advocate for small government, but fuck you idea is horrible.
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coastwalker 6 hours ago
Interestingly the strategic subsidy of semiconductor manufacturing overseas seems to have stolen America's lunch. It appears that there is and never has been any such thing as the "free market". Don't you think it is time to revisit that ideology and and join the rest of the world?
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spun 5 hours ago
Join the rest of the world in kowtowing to people who own everything but built nothing? Nah.
If the free market is a myth, well buddy, I have a system that maybe we should actually try. We run things democratically, and we, the people, own the means of production. No masters, no owners, no landlords, no rich.
Just because it's your kink to submit to Big Daddy War Bucks, doesn't mean the rest of us share your perversion.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago
No masters, no owners, no landlords, no rich.
LOL, you don't want anybody to be rich? SMH.
And the trees are all kept equal

By hatchet,

Axe,

And saw
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cygnusvis 5 hours ago
well said
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spun 4 hours ago
Better than a small group of trees elevating themselves on the corpses of their brothers. But I don't want everyone equal. Welthy is okay. Not rich, and not even wealthy as long as any are suffering from a lack of the basic necessities.
Get everyone into a house, fled, clothed, with adequate medical care and we can revisit whether or not we need to allow people to become rich.
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Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago
Now you want to play semantic games with "rich" vs "wealthy"? LOL, we all know what you meant when you said "we, the people, own the means of production", Mr. Marx.
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spun 3 hours ago
Yup. I'm a proud democratic socialist. No, that's not Marxist. I'd be ashamed to be a "LOL no free market for you" capitalist.
To be clear, I believe in private ownership of the means of producing luxuries. We should all co-own and democratically control he means of producing basic necessities. Otherwise, you have a society where the rich can legally point a gun at the head of the poor and say "Pay me or die."
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zabbey 2 hours ago
What if I want to own more than democratically allowed? What's the penalty for violating the ownership rules? And what happens if I don't want to pay that penalty? If the answer to the last 2 questions is anything other than "nothing", it changes from "pay me or die" to "share with me or die". I bet we can solve most of the world's economical problems by abolishing patent, trademark, and copyrights.
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spun 43 minutes ago
Here's the way I want things to work. Pipe dream, I know.
Own as much personal property as you like. Also, as much real property that is not used for production, or is only used for luxury production, as you can hoard. As soon as you start using your property for production of basic necessities, your property enters into "use rights." The people who use the property to produce the goods, and the people who consume the goods, have controlling rights over it, but not sales rights. Use of the means of production would be governed democratically.
I'm not saying people's wealth should be limited, but treating all forms of property the same is ludicrous. Real and personal property (chattels) are different, and take a much different commitment from the rest of society to protect.
As long as there are people starving, or dying of preventable disease, or exposure to the elements, it is neither moral nor ethical to hoard wealth. If everyone's basic needs are met, then the hoarders could be allowed to go hog wild.
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klubar 4 hours ago
Isn't this about picking winner and losers? I'm ok with corporate welfare as long as the companies are willing to accept the limits that go along with it.
Some suggestions:
- Top executive pay limited to 20x lowest paid employee
- No stock buybacks/no golden parachutes
- Limited use of contractors/outsourcing
- Commitment to environmental law
Others?
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cusco 5 hours ago
Once taxpayers get gouged their $50 billion then they'll ask to be exempted from all pollution and water/air quality rules as well. Grant that and workplace safety rules will be next, and the list will be never-ending.
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Foxconn's taxes are paid where Foxconn is, silly (+1)
raymorris 5 hours ago
The taxes for chip makers are paid where the chip makers are, silly. Foxconn pays it's taxes - in Taiwan and China, where Foxconn is, making chips.
Hardly anybody makes chips in the US, and therefore the US gets hardly any taxes from chip makers, because the US has made it far too expensive to produce anything here. "Raise the taxes people will have to if they produce in the US" is exactly how you ensure the problem gets worse, how you make sure *nobody* makes a single chip in the US anymore (and the US then gets exactly $0 in taxes).
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Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago
Foxconn doesn't make chips. Foxconn (Hon Hai Precision) operates the factories that complete final assembly on iPhones, etc. Pre-assembled modules (assembled in Vietnam, Malaysia, and elsewhere) arrive on site and factories of teenagers screw them into the housing.
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Silly me. Not Foxconn, the chip company (+1)
raymorris 2 hours ago
Good observation, I shouldn't have said Foxconn.
The chip factories in South Korea, China and Taiwan pay taxes in South Korea, China and Taiwan.
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Anubis IV 5 hours ago
Framing this as a "how about you do your part first?" question is cutting off your nose (misbehaving companies) to spite your face (national interests).
The fact is, if having these production and manufacturing capabilities kept in-country is truly a matter of national security (and the rest of my post will operate on that assumption), the fact that we need them isn't affected by their behavior. If you crack down on them via regulation, they hold all the cards, so they can simply call your bluff and find someplace more accommodating, thus shooting ourselves in the foot. Meanwhile, I'm all for the free market deciding things in general, but the free market fails in cases like these because it doesn't include national interests when valuing companies, just private interests. Until the government puts its finger on the scale to tip how we value those companies in some way, the free market will continue to not recognize the true worth to the country of keeping those capabilities in-country.
Is it distasteful? Absolutely. But this is reality.
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JBMcB 4 hours ago
Meanwhile, I'm all for the free market deciding things in general, but the free market fails in cases like these because it doesn't include national interests when valuing companies, just private interests.
This has little to do with a free market. China and Taiwan have huge subsidies and tax breaks to lure high-tech manufacturing. China did this about 20 years ago with contract furniture manufacturing. They built-out entire factories and supply chains, then offered to produce furniture at cost with zero tariffs and practically free shipping (via Mersk, their own shipping company.) And within a decade there are hardly any furniture factories left in the US. Pretty much Herman Miller, Steelcase, Knoll, and a few boutique brands like Stickley and Thomas Moser.
This is short-term smart on their part, as they can siphon off a big chunk of economic production out of other countries. However, it depends on funding it with further growth. They *must* keep massive growth going, or it collapses like a multi-level marketing scheme. This is, more or less, what happened to Japan in the 90's.
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cygnusvis 5 hours ago
Why do you think its bad for corporate welfare int he USA, but not have issues with China literally financing businesses (and having full control over them because of it)? Frankly, taking jobs out of asia invites war, because right now the USA must make peace (and Trump is doing a great job at making peace, like it or not) or lose access to things made in china.
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You said it. (+1)
Comboman 2 hours ago
Why do you think its bad for corporate welfare int he USA, but not have issues with China literally financing businesses (and having full control over them because of it)?

You just answered your own question; "full control". Corporate welfare is just throwing taxpayers money away. You have no real control over the recepiants and if some other country offers a better deal, they're gone again. You need to invest the money into those companies and own them (or at least a significant share of the stocks). Then you have real control as a shareholder and the dividends can go into paying back the taxpayers who funded it. Win-win.
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djp2204 5 hours ago
Companies don't pay any taxes. Their customers pay the taxes. Taxing companies only raises costs for consumers.
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toadlife 3 hours ago
Companies don't pay any taxes. Their customers pay the taxes. Taxing companies only raises costs for consumers.
Consumers don't pay any taxes. The companies that produce the goods that consumers buy do. Taxing consumers only reduces the pool of revenue available to companies.
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Circular logic (+1)
Comboman 2 hours ago
Consumers don't pay any taxes. Consumers are employees of companies. Taxing consumers only raises costs for companies.
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ObliviousGnat 5 hours ago
Tax breaks aren't the only form of corporate welfare. Do you remember the story the other day about how oil companies abandon their wells, go bankrupt and then leave the mess for the states to clean up? We need to make companies pay ALL of the societal costs that they create, and don't let bankruptcy get them out of paying.
Also--and this is important--tax/tariff anything from foreign countries that don't make their companies pay for their societal costs. One reason why chip manufacturing went overseas is because companies there are allowed to pollute with impunity, and that makes manufacturing in those countries artificially cheap. How can our companies expect to compete with that?
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gweihir 5 hours ago
Oh, they will pay their taxes. But not in the US. That ship has sailed. The remaining semiconductor manufacturing in the US will vanish pretty soon.
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Re: Corporate Welfare (+1)
WindBourne 4 hours ago
Here is a better Idea. Make the taxes fair. As it is, both China, Ireland, and a number of other nations are basically tax-avoidance havens. So, the best way is simply to change the American (if not western) tax model.

1) get rid of ALL tax breaks, write-offs, exemptions, etc on corporate and personal taxes.
2) create a pre-sales tax of say 5-10% on consumed goods/services which move from wholesale to retail. It is also applied to all goods that are shipped directly to customers over borders.
3) change corporate tax for companies HQed here, to be either 5% on ALL GROSS SALES or 0% depending on where work is done.
A) for resale, if 40% of goods is M.i.America, then 0%, else 5%.
B) for service industry, if 40% of labor costs/hrs is Americans, then 0%, else 5%.
C) for manufacturing, if 40% of parts/labor is American, then 0%, else 5%.
D) the 40% is raise yearly by 5% until it hits 75-80%.
E) all dividends are paid through America first(i.e. not offshore), then 0%, else 5%

4) For personal taxes, simply add all of the money/bonus that anybody has obtained for the year and tax on simple progressive tax rate.
A) for $ obtained, that includes wages, salaries, bonus, dividends, interest (including banks), lottery, inheritance, gifts, etc.
B) start at 1% on everything above livable wage (say 25-30K), and then stop raising it at say 33% on everything above $5M. Remember there are no write-offs, breaks, exemptions. So, better for us all to pay, but fairly.

Note that somebody;s stock raising/falling does not impact this. Only upon a sale does it impact calculations.
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Alwina31 3 hours ago
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rho 3 hours ago
Gotta love these welfare queens leaching off the American tax payers.
Here is an idea - pay your fucking taxes and then we can talk about bailouts or 'incentives' or whatever you hypocrites call your corporate welfare.
Gotta love these welfare queens leaching off the American tax payers
I'm no fan of corporate welfare, but $50B is cheap.
Half of the federal budget is actual welfare, about $2T, which doesn't exactly go into the pockets of Americans either. It's a big trough where lots of other corporations feed, and millions of middlemen wet their beak.
Returning the silicon to Silicon Valley (or, more likely, Texas) is a good thing all around for America and Americans. If we can keep our chips from even having a whiff of NSA fingers, that's a competitive advantage to the rest of the world. And it makes a home for the technically inclined so they have a career path that doesn't end in yak shaving in the bowels of some high-frequency trading company to gain an extra nanosecond. Offshoring our manufacturing is 100% the worst thing our leaders, both corporate and government, has done to the country.
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larryjoe 3 hours ago
Gotta love these welfare queens leaching off the American tax payers.
Here is an idea - pay your fucking taxes and then we can talk about bailouts or 'incentives' or whatever you hypocrites call your corporate welfare.
When it's other people, they're "welfare queens". When it's us, it's just the normal system of tax deductions, subsidides, and funding that are part of our "rights."
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All this has happened before (+4, Insightful)
cellocgw 6 hours ago
Just ask Wisconsin about FoxConn.
Or ask any number of cities how long $SPORTS_TEAM stayed after getting a stadium built for free.
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Even a slumlord cannot square the circle (+1)
shanen 5 hours ago
Hmm... I think the AC FP was more relevant to the topic, but at least you [cellocgw] put your name on this one, shallow though it be. It's even likely that you are aware of the deeper issues and you felt this was the first step in the right direction, but took the short step because of the race condition on FP visibility.
So let me try to clarity that your issue seems to be the proper relationship between governments and corporations. The level of the story is about national governments and corporations in crucial industries, though your first example is about a state government and a non-crucial manufacturing corporation and your second examples are city governments and non-crucial recreational corporations. As you have properly implied, corporations only care about short-term profits, not the long-term social objectives that governments are supposed to be thinking about.
The obvious conclusion is that this is a great solution only until some other government offers $51 billion to move the semiconductor corporations to that country. But the stock market loves it! The stock market is not insane! It merely reflects the priorities of the bureaucrats who are printing money per the instructions of our duly elected political leaders.
In related political news, the real profit of being a slumlord does not come from collecting rents from "good" tenants and evicting the "bad" tenants. The YUGE profit is when you evict all of the tenants, good and bad, and upgrade the property for a "highest and best" use. The quick and YUGE profit is when you flip the property before paying the new property taxes on the higher assessed value. For example, as the site of a new semiconductor factory in a former slum.
So have a nice day. We are so phucked.
Hmm... Should I have explained the Subject more explicitly? Or do I need sarcasm tags on that paragraph?
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cusco 5 hours ago
Don't tell a Packers Backer that their team is "non-crucial", they'll come after you with pitchforks and torches.
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SWPadnos 5 hours ago
Don't tell a Packers Backer that their team is "non-crucial", they'll come after you with pitchforks and torches.
I think they use guns now.
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Archtech 4 hours ago
I think they use guns now.
Yes - the dreaded Camembert cannon.
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cmdr_klarg 3 hours ago
The Green Bay Packers are a publicly owned team, unlike any other pro sports team in the US.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago
your first example is about a state government and a non-crucial manufacturing corporation
If you don't think the manufacture of semiconductors is crucial to national security, then you are living in some sort of fantasy world.
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Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Dodger Stadium - 100yr (+1)
raymorris 5 hours ago
> ask any number of cities how long $SPORTS_TEAM stayed
Okay. Let's see - Fenway Park, Wrigley Field and Dodger Stadium are least 100 years old. Looks like about half the MLB teams have been in the same *stadium*, not just the same city, for at least 25 years. I'm not a sports guy, so I don't have a bunch of stats memorized, but the one I know of that moved is the Chargers - after 56 years in San Diego. So I guess there's your answer to how long they stay - somewhere between 56-100 years.
> built for free
Let's see, the Chargers rent of $2.5 million / year for 56 years = $140 million. Plus the taxes on concessions, hotel rooms, etc. You have a strange definition of free.
By the way, are you a good artist, or a musician? I ask because you suck at logic, but I'm sure you're good at something.
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SpankiMonki 4 hours ago
Okay. Let's see - Fenway Park, Wrigley Field and Dodger Stadium are least 100 years old.
LOL, Dodger Stadium isn't even close to 100 years old.
By the way, are you a good artist, or a musician? I ask because you suck at logic, but I'm sure you're good at something.
Uh huh. Insulting someone after making an error like that is not a good look. For anyone.
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You're right, 58 years (+1)
raymorris an hour ago
I stand corrected. Quoting Wikipedia:
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Opened 58 years ago on April 10, 1962, it was constructed in less than three years at a cost of US$23 million.
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Hopefully over those 58 years, the city got their $23 million back. Oh wait, the city didn't pay a dime of that. It was it privately funded.
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Anon42Answer 3 hours ago
Don't forget San Diego City's Ticket Guarantee that if a certain number of tickets were not sold, then the City would simply PAY the Chargers for the tickets not sold. Once the public was informed how bad this was for the taxpayers, the City politicians tried to 'buy' the tickets instead of just giving the money. But then showed their corruption by giving away what they claimed were free tickets to themselves, doners, family, special interest paid for by the tax payers.
Now San Diego City has given away the stadium and all land surrounding it to a tax exempt organization for a one time paltry amount - no more tax revenue from that source. This instead of selling the land to a taxable entity that would generate future tax revenue worth much much more.
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Comboman 2 hours ago
One thing you said is correct, you're definitely not a sports guy (I'm not either but at least I can do research and math). The Dodgers played in Brooklyn until 1958, so LA must have had a lot of foresight to build them a stadium 40 years in advance. There are only 2 ballparks over 100 but lots under 20. The average age of an MLB ballpark is 27 years. The average age of an NFL arena is 31 years. The average age of a NBA stadium is 16 years. The average age of an NHL rink is 21 years.
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raymorris an hour ago
> The Dodgers played in Brooklyn until 1958, so LA must have had a lot of foresight to build them a stadium 40 years in advance.
You're right, it's only 58 years old. Of course the city didn't build it either, it was 100% privately funded.
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It's worse if $SPORTS_TEAM stays (+1)
rsilvergun 31 minutes ago
multiple studies have shown that sports is just a money sink for the cities. All the profits go to the associations. They get away with it because people _love_ sports. As someone completely indifferent to them it's just extra taxes I have to pay.
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Okay, sure (+5, Informative)
Dutch Gun 6 hours ago
Great. Then let's impose $20 to $50 billion in taxes and tarrifs on companies that refuse to build any manufacturing capabilities in the US. Problem solved.
Oh, that wasn't what you meant? You get all the benefits and security of being a US company, but don't want to invest a little back in the US manufacturing economy? You instead want US taxpayers to foot that bill? Fuck that.
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thegarbz 5 hours ago
The tax payers always foot the bill. Whether it be for a tax bailout, whether it be loss of economic competitiveness due to the rise of China, or whether it would be the subsequent bail out of a company the government unintentionally sunk.
Typically the government isn't going to fuck over an employer of 110 thousand people, just because #MAGA. The world is a big place, and there's no reason for a company to stay in a country hostile towards them anymore.
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Dutch Gun 5 hours ago
Of course taxpayers always foot the bill in the end. I'm hoping a bit of sarcasm came through in this post, although that's sometimes tricky in writing,
Taxing corporations too heavily simply causes prices to rise (which consumers ultimately pay for) and makes them noncompetitive in a global marketplace. That being said, it's a far cry from simply giving them taxpayer money. Many of these companies are already hugely profitable. We can surely work out some reasonable compromises that encourage them to bring at least some proportion of manufacturing here without doing it in too punitive a manner, such that they'd feel the need to incorporate elsewhere.
Long-term, it's far better for market stability to avoid relying on too few vendors. We rely FAR too much on manufacturers in potentially hostile countries, and since corporations only look at the immediate bottom line (in fairness, they have to compete economically), they're not going to impose more costs on themselves voluntarily. Probably the best we could do is impose a system that's at least tax revenue neutral - impose additional tariffs or taxes on companies that rely too heavily on manufacturing in potentially hostile countries (friendly / allied countries should be penalized much less), and direct it as incentives towards companies that are at least willing to build some percentage of manufacturing here in the US.
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OpinOnion 5 hours ago
Tax them all, then give incentives to mission critical industries and call it National Security. Sooo many problems solved!
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ShanghaiBill 5 hours ago
You get all the benefits and security of being a US company
There are no benefits to being a US company.
America imposes extraterritorial taxes on companies headquartered in America, putting American companies at a disadvantage to their foreign competitors.
Many companies have re-incorporated overseas to avoid these taxes.
America has passed multiple laws to prevent American companies from fleeing American jurisdiction, with limited success.
Perhaps we should make America attractive to investors rather than punishing those who try to build their businesses here.
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Rockoon 4 hours ago
Does it really need to be said that there should be a rewards for 'good behaviors' and a punishments for 'bad behaviors' ...

But then a lot of the crowd here these days is from a generation that got rewards just for participating.
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ShanghaiBill 4 hours ago
Does it really need to be said that there should be a rewards for 'good behaviors' and a punishments for 'bad behaviors' ...
Since we currently do the opposite, yes, it does need to be said.
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Or how about this: (+1)
Shadow of Eternity 6 hours ago
You do business with the modern day version of Nazi Germany and we hang your board of executives for treason. Want to move manufacturing to an allied country like South Korea that isn't running genocidal concentration camps? Fine, you're welcome to do that, but you lose the sum total of every single tax and trade benefit we've ever given you.
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thegarbz 5 hours ago
and we hang your board of executives for treason.
Sure. Point to exactly which laws they broke and you can hang away. Unfortunately for you we live in a world where the rule of law and not mob justice or angry internet rants prevail.
Want to move manufacturing to an allied country like South Korea that isn't running genocidal concentration camps? Fine, you're welcome to do that
Except there's no law manufacturing anywhere, including the former Nazi Germany (which had a lot of deals with private USA based companies). Shareholders, an angry manchild president, and an internet poster not being happy with the way you run your company is not "treason".
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Archtech 4 hours ago
You do business with the modern day version of Nazi Germany and we hang your board of executives for treason.
Are you referring to the USA?
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Most corps go where the labor is CHEAP (+1)
p51d007 5 hours ago
After WW2, they started going to Japan to make everything (electronic). I remember as a kid in the 60's if it said made in Japan, it was JUNK. Then, Japan got really good (think Sony stuff etc), but, their labor rates went up as their people started demanding better wages. Then, the corporations moved into China for the cheap labor. Difference between manufacturing things in Japan, U.S. Europe and most of the world and China, is the Chinese "citizens" can't demand anything like higher wages or they will be "disappeared". I hope more corporations move OUT of China, but I think China has a death grip on the (slave)labor market and will still be attractive to corporations, not to mention the under the table money, that will keep them in China
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cusco 5 hours ago
Actually wages in China are going up faster than in the US, working conditions are improving as well as environmental considerations. They're probably about where we were a couple of generations ago, but catching up **MUCH** quicker.
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Re: Most corps go where the labor is CHEAP
Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago
With added genocide!
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cusco 4 hours ago
[citation needed]
And no, Falung Gong propaganda is not actual documentation.
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Type44Q 4 hours ago
After WW2, they started going to Japan to make everything (electronic).
Japanese companies began to conquer cameras in the 50's, stereos/electronics in the 60's and cars in the 70's but little to none of that was outsourced by American firms, at least not until years later.
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cb88 4 hours ago
FABs are one of the worst examples for this... the people that do work in fabs are few and highly skilled so the wage gap there is much less as they can move elsewhere and get a job because they are skilled and mobile.
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Is this cash or incentives? (+1)
GregMmm 5 hours ago
Honest question:
Is this giving money to companies, or just tax brakes?
I'm not into giving money, like writing a check, but the tax brakes make sense. Keeping the manufacturing here is really important. As far as I know Intel is the only company with their own fabs. There are other fabs in the US, but are foreign owned.
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Re: Is this cash or incentives? (+1)
lessSockMorePuppet 5 hours ago
This sounds like collusion and acting as a cartel.
Arrest the boards of the colluding manufacturers.
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Archtech 4 hours ago
This sounds like collusion and acting as a cartel.
Arrest the boards of the colluding manufacturers.
That ship sailed in the 1880s.
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Fuck “Cuties,” fuck the directors (because there’s more than one), and fuck the defenders. Media that shines a light on the sexualization of children is something we really need today and you had the chance and you ROYALLY FUCKED IT UP.

The movie itself is boring and dull and obviously nothing was put into it but you know what did have lots of effort in it? The zooming in and lingering on shots of actual children’s backsides and crotches. This movie, meant to show the horrible side effects of sexualizing children, decided to do so by sexualizing these little girls. They’re gonna grow up one day and wonder why no adult stood up for them and said that was inappropriate.

I’m mad about this because I was one of those girls that thought it made me “grown” to sexualize myself at twelve. I believed my abuser when he told me I was plenty “adult” enough to pose for dirty pictures in lingerie or less. And when I woke up and realized I didn’t want to do this anymore, that I never really wanted to at all in the first place and that it made me feel sick and used... he threatened to mail those pictures to everyone I knew. My parents, my neighbors, my friends, everyone in the school... He told me every time I sassed him or gave him attitude when he told me to do something that he would stick a printed picture of me with my face clearly present somewhere in town for someone to find and then word would spread about what a trashy little whore I was at only fifteen. This abuse didn’t end until that man died of a heroin overdose. Yes, I let it go on that long before I felt like I could admit that what I was doing was actually hurting me.

I wanted something that showed parents just how much sex and sexualization is pushed onto their children and from how many angles. I wanted something that would help show the world how easy it is for a child to misunderstand what it means to be an adult. I wanted something that would save more little children and teens from falling into the same trap that I did. That was too fucking much I guess. What should have been a serious and delicately handled topic (because I do believe that it should absolutely be discussed if we want to do something about it) was instead treated like... this! I just don’t have words for how stupid it is to claim you’re some kind of warrior fighting to save children from sexualization by having these girls sexualize themselves and MAKING IT THE FOCUS OF SO MANY SHOTS.

I really hope I reach people that think this was an appropriate and acceptable approach to making media around this issue. Please, read my message as one of passion. If you really want to stop the sexualization of children because of what paths it leads to, then you’ll understand why victims of that same thing are so outraged that these young girls were filmed in such a way.
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Thank you. I cant believe how many people are trying to normalize this and act like we're overreacting. We need more people like Chris Hansen in this day and age. The media is obsessively trying to normalize pedo shit, and its just absolutely disgusting and evil. Im so sorry that happened to you.
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"And when I woke up and realized I didn’t want to do this anymore, that I never really wanted to at all in the first place and that it made me feel sick and used... he threatened to mail those pictures to everyone I knew."

Ah, a moron, just like the person I'm up against. You would think that this moron would realize that there existed the possibility that people might not believe you. You would think that this moron would realize that threatening to send evidence of his crime to everyone you knew would only ensure that people did believe you. Some people just have the intelligence of a gnat. I'm sure if it were a team sport the uniforms would read "I'm with stupid!"
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And Netfux still insists on trying to push this perversion through.

People are cancelling Netfux left and right but they don't give a shit.
Looks like Netfux will be history by the end of the year.

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That filth "Cuties" makes it clear what road Netflix is going down.

Cancel Netflix and go with any other streaming provider. Don't worry about your favorite Netflix non pervert exclusives as the production houses will move to Hulu or another service to host their content (Netflix does not produce anything).

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Now, call me a fucking spoilt brat all the fuck you want but I don't give a shit. So, my parents are fucking dickheads who don't understand my social life, they check my fucking messages so that means my friends barely fucking text me. My parents force me to use my phone fucking downstairs, so if I Ft they listen in like pervs, so my friends don't fucking ft. Anyway, so my phone has a problem with it where data doesn't work on it. I lost my mango card (it's a type of bus card) and cos of Coronavirus I can't get a new one. I need £6 a day in cash which is quite hard since my family are more of card people (I don't have a credit or debit card yet tho). There was this app u need but it only works with data. SO my parents bought me a new phone. I was really excited cos I was going to get a good phone, my old phone as it is now, is fucking shit. But they got me a phone people would use in the fucking 2000s. A proper shit phone. Now, before you say "oh maybe they can't afford more than a £60 ($75) phone!". No. No. No. No. My parents send me to a schl that costs £15000 ($20000) a year so of course they could buy me a fucking phone them god-damn pricckkkks. So I'm going to go to school with my ugly ass bag and pencil case now with a shitty phone. FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING HELL

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"Now, call me a fucking spoilt brat all the fuck you want but I don't give a shit. "

That's all I needed to here. I swear to God if you were my kid, I would soap your mouth good. Second, you would be liucky if I didn't keep you locked -WITH A KEY- in your room. I would never give you a phone.

Fuck you spoiled rotten shits.

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OMFG, if you were my kid, you would be working your ASS off for a 'better phone'. They gave you the basics so they can keep in contact with you. Want better/more expensive? Work for it. They're paying to send you to a place you can get a better education to get a good-paying job. Use that to your advantage.
And fuck, start being grateful for what you have. They didn't HAVE to send you to that school or give you a phone at all.
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A patient died after a German hospital was hit by ransomware attack, when hackers thought they were targeting a university. German authorities said that what appears to have been a misdirected hacker attack impacted systems at a major hospital in Duesseldorf, and a woman who needed urgent admission died after she had to be taken to another city for treatment. Duesseldorf police established contact and told the attacker that the hospital, and not the university, had been affected, endangering patients. The attacker then withdrew the extortion attempt and provided a digital key to decrypt the data.
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However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
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The number one takeaway from this event should be that hospitals are too dependent on technology. They should have been able to admit and begin treatment.
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They could have treated, however without the computers they couldn't get paid so pawned the patient off on someone else. The real blame is the hospital breaking the oath of 'do no harm'. The entire admissions department should be sacked.

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Re: Destroy JEWS, Gypsies, and Towelheads via Malwa

Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

No. Round up all you fucktards and put you up against the wall, shoot you in the head. Your time is OVER. Either go hide back under the rocks you assholes used to hide under, or be annihilated. I'm just as happy to see you all killed.
b-b-but I'm just trolling! I don't really mean it! IT'S JUST A JOKE, STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT ME!
Too late. Die like the rest. We don't need trolls anymore either, you shit up everything. Die, die, die.

Bonus points: We put you in a GAS CHAMBER. We have a black man who has lost a family member to you throw the switch. Poetic justice made real.
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Re: Wow (+3, Informative)
JeffOwl 4 hours ago
This was in Germany, so your reasoning is flawed.
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Re: Wow (+2)
gweihir 4 hours ago
That is not how things work in Germany.
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omnichad 2 hours ago
The patient never even showed up at this hospital. They were referred to the other hospital before they ever left home because this hospital was not admitting patients.
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Re: Wow

Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

The number one takeaway from this event should be that hospitals are too dependent on technology.
No shit. What's the alternative?
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Re: Wow (+2)
Bengie 2 hours ago
The technology needed to do their fundamental jobs were unaffected. They refused to accept new patients because it was too inconvenient. It's a risk management issue. Not having your system's up and running in order to track patients can lead to more mistakes, and mistakes can be deadly. But if you're talking about an ER, there is plenty they can do without their network working. The issue is they have no back-up plan. It's like they just gave up. Ohh no, the internet went out, I think I'll just curl up and die, I don't know how to function without it.
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Re: Wow (+3, Insightful)
shadowrat 5 hours ago
However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
I would imagine we have computer technology that allows us to keep someone alive that we didn't have in the past. In the past, that person would have simply died sooner.
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Mr. Dollar Ton 5 hours ago
Badly. Two of my family members were saved last year and two years ago from things that were lethal in the 80s. A failure of this kind is not a reason to abandon the technology, but to improve it.
And a major step would be to finally introduce product liability for software bugs that create this kind of situation, which will change the tradeoff between that shiny new half-assed feature and security towards a more sane proportion.
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jellomizer 4 hours ago
Many of these patients died 40 years ago.
40 years ago without these advanced computers and communication many of these procedures would have been extremely risky to perform.
Also a lot of time was wasted in moving of paperwork and a lot of useful information wasn't available.
They didn't manage to treat these patents 40 years ago. They often died in the attempt, or were decided to be not get treated, and allowed to get worse without an attempt to fix the problem.


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Re: Wow (+1)
masasuka 4 hours ago
Not necessarily, from the sounds of it this was the equivalent of a hospital having a fire/flood in the patient records room. File folders of patient data, allergies, medical history, etc... would have been lost in that case as well, and doctors would be guessing as to whether or not 'medical sedative X' is going to knock out the patient in prep for surgery, or kill the patient.
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Re: Wow (+3, Insightful)
jellomizer 4 hours ago
Compared to modern Electronic Records, the Paper Records were much less detailed. A doctor if requesting the medial records, will take the top few pages, While an Ill patient could have a large stack of pages of useful details. As well as Drug to Drug interactions, Allergies...
Now hospitals should have proper downtime procedures in place. This doesn't sound like they really didn't have that inplace.
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Re: Wow (+1)
ljw1004 4 hours ago
However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
Inefficiently, and with a vastly higher rate of injury and death due to "medical accidents" (e.g. administering the wrong medicine)
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Re: Wow (+2)
Aristos Mazer 4 hours ago
Often we didn't. People died at a much higher rate at hospitals in the past than they do today.
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Re: Wow (+1)
ebonum 3 hours ago
Billing may have killed him. If the hospital couldn't admitted him as a patient and track treatment for the purpose of creating a bill, the hospital may have decided it was better to send him on his way rather than take the unacceptable risk of not being able to fully bill for his treatment.
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nomadic an hour ago
In Germany?
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thegarbz 3 hours ago
However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
Yeah and a fuckton more died back then than do now.
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Re: Wow (+1)
John Cavendish 20 minutes ago
40 years ago cars also had no computers, yet try to use a nowadays car after removing a computer from it, when they're not equipped with carburettors anymore.
You see the point, times change, and tools change as well, hospitals nowadays have no means to maintain paperwork for patients, however would be good to have some contingency for emergency just in case.
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Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+2)
Koreantoast 5 hours ago
If the hacker is within the Western world, they've got to be feeling some heat since they've just gone from "simple" extortion to murder.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (-1)

Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

Or the hacker could say he was peacefully protesting black lives and get off with no punishment and possibly an award.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+1)
Rick Schumann 2 hours ago
Fuck you.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+4, Insightful)
AmiMoJo 5 hours ago
I'd be amazed if this was the first time this has happened, the other hospitals probably just covered it up to avoid any potential liability.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+1)
chispito 5 hours ago
I'd be amazed if this was the first time this has happened, the other hospitals probably just covered it up to avoid any potential liability.
That's actually a good point. I don't think I've seen a study on how ransomware has affected patient outcomes. There were waves of hospitals being hit with ransomware not too long ago.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+1)
gweihir 4 hours ago
From what I have seen of the abysmal state of IT security in some really large hospitals, I completely agree.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+2)
sg_oneill 5 hours ago
At the very least its a manslaughter charge. Accidental death caused by a crime. Yeah, thats some hard prison time.
At least a few US states will even upgade that to a full blown capital murder case, and thats a very very very unhappy life outcome for the bad dude
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder
jcr 5 hours ago
Not accidental at all. This should be prosecuted as one count of murder, and as many counts of attempted murder as there are patients in the hospital the perp attacked.
-jcr
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+2)
pak9rabid 5 hours ago
What would the motive be for murder? From what I understand, murder requires a motive to be proved, which I doubt is possible here. At worst it would probably get charged as involuntary manslaughter.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+2, Interesting)
jcr 5 hours ago
In the USA, we have the "felony murder rule", which says that if you kill someone during a felony, it's a murder, and everyone involved in committing the felony is culpable for the murder. I would expect German law to have similar provisions.
-jcr
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+3, Funny)
K. S. Kyosuke 4 hours ago
Why would you expect German law to have random ridiculous provisions of other countries? German law is perfectly capable of having its own original, non-copycat ridiculous legal provisions.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+1)
moronoxyd 4 hours ago
I'm pretty sure we don't have anything like that here in Germany. Wikipedia suggests that is is something more or less limited to Anglosaxon countries.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+3, Interesting)
Ungrounded Lightning 4 hours ago
In the USA, we have the "felony murder rule", which says that if you kill someone during a felony, it's a murder ...
Not just if one of the perps does it, too. If anybody involved dies. For instance, if the police at a bank robbery shoot one of the perps and he dies, the other perps are up for a count of murder one.
Not just the US either. It comes from English common law and predates the US revolution by about half a century, and variations of it are curent in the UK, Austrailia, Canada, ...
In the US. because it's criminal law, it's a state matter and varies somewhat by state rather than being uniform.
In most jurisdictions, to qualify as an underlying offense for a felony murder charge, the underlying offense must present a foreseeable danger to life, and the link between the offense and the death must not be too remote. For example, if the recipient of a forged check has a fatal allergic reaction to the ink, most courts will not hold the forger guilty of murder, as the cause of death is too remote from the criminal act
In the US a ransomware ought to qualify just fine, even if the perp didn't realize his attack happened to include computers at a hospital. Some computers do life-critical stuff, so taking computers down and demanding a ransom to let them be recovered is right up there with firebombing a store in an extortion racket.
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Re: Extortion Upgraded to Murder (+1)
gweihir 4 hours ago
That is pretty much a complete perversion of the idea of right and wrong. Not that I am surprised.
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thereddaikon 4 hours ago
How so? If someone dies because of a crime you committed then you should be responsible for it. Don't commit the crime if you aren't willing to do the time.
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gweihir 3 hours ago
You really have no idea about fundamental legal principles. One is that you are only responsible for aspects you control. Another one is that punishment has to be in proportion to the crime.
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thereddaikon 3 hours ago
Clearly I do since this is one that is commonly applied here. Perhaps we just have different legal codes that disagree on the matter. There is no ultimate truth in the universe. Therefore, each is equally valid. I suggest you act like an adult and realize that different societies do things differently and have different perspectives. What works for you does not work for me.
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gweihir 3 hours ago
You think the US "justice" system is aware of fundamental legal principles? Also, I suggest you realize that this crime took part in Germany.
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thereddaikon an hour ago
Do't be absurd, of course the US Justice system has fundamental legal principles. Its based upon common law, tempered with the US constitution. This makes its legal system and underlying assumptions and principles very similar to every other nation that sprang from the British empire. Major differences arise where the US constitution breaks with older convention but that's a discussion for another day.
Just because You don't like it or agree with it does not make it any less valid.
Also, I suggest you realize that this crime took part in Germany.
Oh I realize that. But this little side discussion has nothing to do with that. We went off on a separate tangent from the start. Your comment that I replied to was criticizing the US legal system in a childish way because it doesn't conform to your world view.
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smooth wombat 2 hours ago
One is that you are only responsible for aspects you control.

There is another aspect which says if you do X but also should have known Y could result from doing X, you are held accountable for Y as well as X. For example, if you set fire to a building with the intent of burning it down, but someone dies as a result that arson (a firefighter trying to put out the fire), even though you only intended to burn down the building, you are held liable for that death because you should have known there was a reasonable assumption someone could have been injured or killed as a result of that fire.

Another one is that punishment has to be in proportion to the crime.

Someone died as the result of your actions. Punishment should be death so you can't harm anyone else.
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MobyDisk 2 hours ago
You really have no idea about fundamental legal principles.
No, YOU have no idea about fundamental legal principles, since this IS one. This goes back at least to the 18th century, around the time of William Blackstone, when legal philosophy was being developed and criticized and formalized. It has stood over 200 years of criticism and analysis. I'd wager that you just found out about this about an hour ago when you read that post, and instantly decided that two and a half centuries of philosophy that you have never heard of must be wrong.
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Anonymous Coward an hour ago

The earth used to be considered flat. The earth used to be considered the center of the universe. Both ideas far older than 200 years. The age of this legal philosophy is not relevant.
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kenai_alpenglow 2 hours ago
the criminal controlled the act of crime he committed. He did not have to commit the act. So he controls the root cause. Death as a result of his criminal actions? Well, capitol crime seems to be proportional here. Maybe people should stop committing crimes, huh?
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bsolar 2 hours ago
Nobody questions there should be responsibility for the killing, but if there was no intent to kill, it should not be charged as first-degree murder. There is a reason second-degree murder and manslaughter charges exist too and that's what the felony-charge rule circumvents.
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FunkSoulBrother 4 hours ago
Does this apply to white-collar financial felonies?
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GrumpyGeek 3 hours ago
Pretty sure that law to used to prosecute 'undesirables' (people who can't afford lawyers) and keep our prisons full (for profit)
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LenKagetsu 3 hours ago
If I recall it doesn't even have to be you that snuffs someone. If your accomplice gets shot by whoever you're robbing or falls down a staircase and breaks his neck that's still a murder charge against you.
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Thelasko 2 hours ago
In the USA,
No, in some US states there is a "felony murder rule". As murder is generally a state crime, the details vary from state to state.


Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
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RabidTimmy 5 hours ago
This is Germany so I don't know the applicable laws, but in the US, a death during the commission of a high risk crime, whether intentional or not, can in some cases be treated as murder.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Germany has a sane legal system that requires intent for murder. Quite unlike the revenge- and hate-based system the US has.
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getuid() 3 hours ago
"Intent" in German law doesn't mean what you think it means.
Affirmatively accepting death is enough to qualify as intent (i.e. knowing that someone might very well die as a result, and knowingly take that chance).
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gweihir 3 hours ago
And who did do the "billigende Inkaufnahme" here? Right. Nobody.
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getuid() an hour ago
You're right, probably, if they can prove that they never intended to attack a hospital. Because else, when the attacked the hospital they should have known that people would run arisk of having treatment denied and die as a result.
If that's enough I don't know, but at least it's probable enough (to me) that I imagine a judge wanting to have a closer look at it. I. e. this going to trial.
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Nidi62 5 hours ago
Not accidental at all. This should be prosecuted as one count of murder, and as many counts of attempted murder as there are patients in the hospital the perp attacked.
-jcr
Murder implies an intent to cause physical harm leading to death. If he had intentionally target a hospital then yes, murder is correct. But this squarely falls into manslaughter, and maybe aggravated assault for any other patients that may have been impacted.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Murder implies an intent to cause physical harm leading to death. If he had intentionally target a hospital then yes, murder is correct. But this squarely falls into manslaughter, and maybe aggravated assault for any other patients that may have been impacted.
Nope, not even then. "Murder" in any sane legal system, requires specific intent to kill. This falls under "accidental unintended killing". Incidentally, the police is not even investigating for that, because it is unclear whether the attacker would even be the guilty party. They are investigating because of the IT attack.
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Mspangler 3 hours ago
I'd see it as involuntary manslaughter too. Plus maybe a hundred assault charges for everyone else whose medical care was compromised during the event.
It's a ten year sentence for the manslaughter charge, that will keep him/her/it out of trouble for awhile. Assuming the police can catch the perpetrator.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
That is not how the legal system works in Germany. There was no intent to kill, hence this cannot be murder. This is a legal system still aimed at reforming criminals, so it tries to be fair. The US system just tries to destroy those heretics that dared to violate the state-given quasi-divine order, hence it heaps any and all conceivable charges on the accused.
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Dunbal 5 hours ago
Those who designed the hospital computer system are complicit, however. When your backup solution (or lack of one) puts lives in danger, that's no solution. I don't need an electronic patient file to treat patients and save lives. That's an admin thing.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Indeed. And that is why there currently is _not_ an investigation because of the death. That is just somebodies imagination running wild. The original report just got corrected 20 minutes ago.
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shanen 3 hours ago
Mod parent up to FP. Short, but very much to the point. Two additional points could have been included.
(1) Murder in the commission of another crime is often regarded as a more serious crime.
(2) Many nations depend on computers. A lot. As in vulnerable to cyber-warfare. As in America really is #1 in being vulnerable. (Don't worry. The Chinese hordes can't attack us as long as they are still hoping to collect their money.)
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Murder one (+1)
Baconsmoke 5 hours ago
Mistake or not, if they catch them, full murder charges. Nothing less.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Germany is not a country of vicious barbarians, so no. At the very max, involuntary manslaughter, but even that charge is currently not on the table.
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Rick Schumann 2 hours ago
It's probably not 'currently on the table' probably because (A) it's an ongoing investigation, and (B) they're likely compiling a whole list of charges against whoever that is, and (C) they'd probably rather not spook whoever it is too much so they have a little time to track them down and arrest them. As I said above, that persons' life is over. They'll be paying for this for the rest of their life.
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Re: Murder one (+1)
kenai_alpenglow 2 hours ago
Tell that to the Romans...
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Re: Murder one (+1)
nomadic an hour ago
Or the Jews.
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Rick Schumann 2 hours ago
You're responsible for any collateral damage done when you commit a crime, yes. So that hacker gets sent up for murder. He/she also gets sued by the family members for wrongful death. Whoever that is, their life is over. Being a criminal however they'll flee to some other country with a new identity, no doubt, unless it was just some dumbass who thought he could use his leet skiilz to make some fast cash off some fatcat business.
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the government should be (+2, Insightful)
FudRucker 5 hours ago
hunting these bastards down and raiding their homes or shops or whatever, with guns locked and loaded, and dragging them off to prison in chains, and if they resist shoot to kill
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Re: the government should be (+3, Funny)
ebcdic 5 hours ago
Stay in America, please.
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fazig 5 hours ago
Come on. They deserve a fair trial first.
After that they should be hanged publicly.
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hcs_$reboot 4 hours ago
The "government" of where? These "bastards" do not hide in NYC, they're in Somalia / China / Russia ... with a almost zero-risk of being worried (unless they attack their own country).
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ELCouz 4 hours ago
It's common for other government to intervene in another country. Even with no extradition treaty, things could happen by "people inland" CIA style.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Spoken like a true cave-man.
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Aristos Mazer 4 hours ago
Put the guns away -- these aren't armed criminals in a hostage situation. Arrest them calmly, then hold a trial to make sure you actually arrested the right suspects (because mistakes happen all the time). Remember: Innocent until proven guilty.
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Rick Schumann 2 hours ago
If it's one lone hacker thinking they'd make some quick money in what amounts to a victimless crime (or so they convince themselves), that's one thing. Whoever it is in that case is probably shitting themselves right now in fear knowing what it is they caused.
If however it's a criminal gang then they might well be armed and dangerous.
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Re: the government should be (+1)
Aristos Mazer 2 hours ago
Might be. There's still ways to arrest them from street corners, etc, without going in guns blazing.
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Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+5, Insightful)
BradyB 5 hours ago
Ok, so the patient needed to be admitted urgently, what about this would need them to take the patient to another hospital if they were in that much distress.
It takes a computer to treat patients?
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
Viol8 5 hours ago
This is what you get when you let bean counters run an organisation - no usable backups , they cost money.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+2)
TimothyHollins 5 hours ago
Could be that they couldn't access the medical records of the patient, and needed to move her to a location where they could. If someone comes in with an emergency problem that is related to a disease, you really need to know what that disease is if you wish to provide the correct response. When you have less than 20 minutes to fix the problem or lose the patient you can't start running tests.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
omnichad 4 hours ago
When you have less than 20 minutes to fix the problem or lose the patient you can't start running tests.
From the article:
Doctors weren’t able to start treating her for an hour and she died.
However, it looks like she was transported directly from home. She was not actually waiting at the hospital to be admitted. She was sent directly to the other facility.
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Fly Swatter 4 hours ago
They can't call a nearby hospital with access to the record? No Fax machine? That is much faster than shipping someone over.
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TimothyHollins 4 hours ago
They can't call a nearby hospital with access to the record? No Fax machine? That is much faster than shipping someone over.
That violates several laws unfortunately.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
gweihir 4 hours ago
Could be that they couldn't access the medical records of the patient, and needed to move her to a location where they could.
Nope. Emergency care does not rely on the availability of records.
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TimothyHollins 2 hours ago
Could be that they couldn't access the medical records of the patient, and needed to move her to a location where they could.
Nope. Emergency care does not rely on the availability of records.
That's a strange thing to say, because I would be quite unhappy if someone treated my immuno-deficiency induced pneumonia as acute viral encephalomyelitis or a pulmonary embolism. The medical history can be pretty damn useful in figuring out what's going on before it's too late, especially in an environment that's sensitive to lawsuits.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
Joey Vegetables an hour ago
Strongly disagree. Consider e.g. treating a stroke patient.* There are two main kinds of strokes, with similar presentations, yet more or less opposite causes. Hemorrhaegic strokes, which result from bleeding inside the brain, and ischemic strokes, which result from blood vessels that are obstructed, typically due to plaques or clots. Both kinds are common; the treatment for either type of stroke will badly worsen the other, and you may not have time to do scans to determine which type you're dealing with. Compounding the matter is that the patient may already be on clotting factors, blood thinners, or other drugs that may interact with the ones you need to push immediately, or else the outcome is likely to be bad. You have to know all this and you have to know it now. Either electronic or paper records would contain this information. But you need those records NOW. If you can't get them instantly, you may worsen the patient's condition, or kill the patient outright.
The 2 takeaways I see:

1. Interfering with hospital networks and systems can be deadly, not just for emergency care but especially for emergency care. It should be deterred, prevented, mitigated, and if all else fails, punished severely enough to motivate others not to do so.

2. Since it might happen in spite of your best efforts, hospitals and similar institutions should have emergency plans in place for this sort of event. One thought might be to print paper records summarizing what one might need to know if treating the patient in question for any sort of common medical emergency. Not as good as a complete chart, but still way better than nothing, as well as more practical than printing every page of every chart every time something in it changes.
* Yeah, I'm oversimplifying. Blockages, dissections, traumas, and other things can cause a person to have both at the same time. It still makes my point.
** No, I'm not a doctor or other medical professional, nor do I play one on TV; this isn't medical advice, even if I were a doctor I'm not *your* doctor, yadda yadda etc.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

In some cases yes. If I was unconscious and a doctor determined I needed an antibiotic as part of my treatment, without a computer, chances are very good they would give me something fatal, since I am anaphylactic to most common antibiotics. That information pops up when doctors or pharmacists type my name into the computer.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+4, Interesting)
silanea 5 hours ago
Almost everything in today's hospitals is a computer. Our ultrasound machines run on anything from DOS to Windows 7, so do MRI's, CT's, many x-ray machines and other diagnostic devices. Even those that run other embedded systems are commonly operated from a Windows computer. And ever more of those devices are plugged into the hospital network. Images, lab results etc. feed into digital databases, often without any paper backup. Our cath lab is inoperable without computers, so are several vital pieces of gear in our OR's.
The news reports released so far are light on details, but if the patient had suffered from anything that needed imaging or a lab to diagnose and subsequently treat, then yes, it may well have taken a computer to treat her. This could have been a condition as ordinary as a heart attack or stroke.
Many hospitals – and far too many companies in general – still treat IT as "the people who fix printers" instead of the mission-critical backbone of their whole enterprise. Sometimes this comes at the cost of human life.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
hcs_$reboot 4 hours ago
It takes a computer to tell if a room / surgeon / ... is available and the way to contact them.
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Re: Why'd they have to take the patient elsewhere? (+1)
gweihir 4 hours ago
Ok, so the patient needed to be admitted urgently, what about this would need them to take the patient to another hospital if they were in that much distress.
It takes a computer to treat patients?
It is pretty clear something else went badly wrong here. Apparently, this person had to make an additional 1h journey in the ambulance. That is not how the German medical system is supposed to work.
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Patients die all the time (+2)
Gabest 5 hours ago
In fact, ransomwares caused the least patients to die in the history of modern medicine. Think of Tesla and road accidents. It's only news because it's Tesla.
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thegarbz 3 hours ago
It's only news because it's Tesla.
No it's news when a computer is at the wheel. No one cares if you crash your Tesla due to your own stupidity.
Just because patients die all the time doesn't mean it's not worthy to note that they were killed by a common (previously considered harmless to health) scam.
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Thelasko 2 hours ago
Things you hear about in the news are rare. If they were common, they wouldn't be interesting.

"If we are not extremely careful, we come to believe that the unusual is usual: that this is what the world looks like." -Hans Rosling

I highly recommend his book.
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Hunt that bastard down. (+1)
jcr 5 hours ago
This is a murder. The perp's decision to relent and give up the key doesn't change that.
-jcr
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Re: Hunt that bastard down. (+1)
hcs_$reboot 4 hours ago
This is a murder. But when a whole company has to shutdown due to a ransomware attack, leaving many employees out in the cold, that's not much better.
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gweihir 4 hours ago
Nope. This is an accidental death caused by negligence. "Murder" requires intent to kill. At least in a sane legal system. The US does not have one of those though.
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ebcdic 3 hours ago
Where I am, murder requires intent or "wicked recklessness". I think this could be a case of the latter. I don't know what the definition is in Germany.
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Murder anyone? (+1)
Schoenlepel 5 hours ago
The attacker should be prosecuted for murder. After all, he deliberately went out of his way to perform a crime. Someone died of that crime, he should be prosecuted and put in prison for a looooong time.
On the other hand: this is also gross negligence by the hospital. They should have had their security in order, apparently they had not. The hospital should be ordered to pay the relatives of the victim a substantial amount of money for their negligence.
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Re: Murder anyone? (+1)
Nidi62 5 hours ago
The attacker should be prosecuted for murder. After all, he deliberately went out of his way to perform a crime. Someone died of that crime, he should be prosecuted and put in prison for a looooong time.
Manslaughter, not murder. The intended target was a university, not a hospital. By targeting a university there is no reasonable expectation that bodily harm could be done to someone. If he intentionally targeted the hospital then there is a reasonable expectation that someone could be injured worse or killed and a murder charge would be warranted. But still yes, lock him up.
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Re: Murder anyone? (+1)
shentino 3 hours ago
Felony murder doctrine.
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Re: Murder anyone? (+1)
Joey Vegetables an hour ago
Not currently applicable in Germany, nor generally outside of common-law jurisdictions, as noted by others above. But maybe it should be. It evolved in our legal system many centuries ago, as an added layer of deterrent against participating in a dangerous felony. And this is a pretty good example of why it is necessary.
Here is a brief overview. This Wikipedia article goes into a little more detail.
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Automatic PMITA prison.... (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

.....oh wait, this is Germany. The attacker will just get a stern no no lecture.

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Re: Destroy JEWS, Gypsies, and Towelheads via Malwa (+1)
Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago

No. Round up all you fucktards and put you up against the wall, shoot you in the head. Your time is OVER. Either go hide back under the rocks you assholes used to hide under, or be annihilated. I'm just as happy to see you all killed.
b-b-but I'm just trolling! I don't really mean it! IT'S JUST A JOKE, STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT ME!
Too late. Die like the rest. We don't need trolls anymore either, you shit up everything. Die, die, die.

Bonus points: We put you in a GAS CHAMBER. We have a black man who has lost a family member to you throw the switch. Poetic justice made real.
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Little tykes need a spanking (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

Aww come on now, little britches just learned about swastikas and that they are
a "bad symbol" and now he thinks he's a 'rebel' for posting them. He'll be in juvie when he gets bored with posting ASCII art and moves on to cherrybombing mailboxes.

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Re: Wow (+3, Informative)

JeffOwl 6 hours ago

This was in Germany, so your reasoning is flawed.
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Re: Wow (+2)

gweihir 5 hours ago

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Software patents are void under Alice (+1)
zoobab 3 hours ago
We wrote about it in May already:
https://ffii.org/covid-19-trac...
Tomorrow there is an important vote on software patents in Germany and in Europe:
https://ffii.org/open-letter-t...
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another patent for do something obvious (+1)
presidenteloco 3 hours ago
with a computer.
or in this case with a pocket computer with a radio transceiver.

There's a reason all the other contact app makers didn't check these patents in order to design their apps, and are undoubtedly surprised that the patents exist.
It's because it's OBVIOUS how to do it, given the structure of the problem, and the capabilities of the underlying tech.
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Re: another patent for do something obvious (+1)
kaur 2 hours ago
It is definitely not obvious. As a proof, there are many different implementations by different countries. Most are location-based and require the citizen to disclose his social graph to the government or to the agency managing the backend services. DP-3T digs into the Bluetooth Low-Energy tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Low_Energy) and distributed cryptography (nothing fancy besides being decentralized) to offer a better solution. Both the protocol itself and the implementation on the phones are also still in motion, not final.
Remember the fights in the internatiional privacy community in the spring and early summer? Those have died off by now mostly because the protocol is mostly okay from pricacy point of view. However, nothing was _obvious_ there, and things may have turned out very differently for everyone involved.
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Re: another patent for do something obvious (+1)
dgatwood 2 hours ago
It is definitely not obvious. As a proof, there are many different implementations by different countries. Most are location-based and require the citizen to disclose his social graph to the government or to the agency managing the backend services.
You're missing a key part of "given the structure of the problem", which is defining what the problem is. The problem is not "contact tracing", but rather "contact tracing in a manner that does not require users to invasively reveal their location history". As soon as you introduce that requirement, there are very few possible ways to implement it, and all involve devices detecting that other devices are nearby and recording that they were nearby.
And if you further add the constraint "without revealing the fact that two people were near each other until after one of them has been diagnosed with a contagious disease", then at least at a high level, the number of possible solutions drops to exactly one, with the only differences being in the details of how the randomly generated nonces are constructed, transmitted, and stored.
I would argue that if the only thing non-obvious about a patent is in recognizing that there is a specific problem to solve, then the patent is obvious, because patents aren't intended to cover mere ideas, but actual inventions.
Then again, I haven't looked at the patent in question, so it is possible that they're doing something interesting and non-obvious. That still doesn't necessarily mean that anyone should license their tech, of course, particularly given the need for standardized protocols if we want contact tracing to be successful, but that's a slightly different question.
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There's another reason. (+1)
Ungrounded Lightning an hour ago
There's a reason all the other contact app makers didn't check these patents in order to design their apps, [obviousness]
There's another reason: If it's discovered at the infringement suit that your engineers looked at the patent, any infringement found is deemed "wilful" and the penalties are multiplied by three.
As a result engineers are generally ordered NOT to look at patents when designing new products.
So that's ANOTHER way that the patent system is broken. It was supposed to give a limited-term monopoly in return for "teaching" the method for use after the patent expires. But if the engineers aren't allowed to be "taught" there's no other half of the "trade".
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Some background, and international adoption (+4, Insightful)
kaur 2 hours ago
The original contact tracing protocol is / was DP-3T, described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The one implemented in iOS and Android is GAEN, Google Apple Exposure Notification:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
GAEN is quite a formidable feat both as a privacy-preserving protocol and as an implementation. Google and Apple announced this jointly on the same day in April, just a month in to the real pandemic. GAEN is also a great boon to the international society. It is decentralized (as is DP-3T) and privacy-preserving. Without GAEN, the governments of the world would have buiit their own, centralized, location-based tracking apps. The social graphs of the citizens and their location data would all be exposed to the governments. For US or Chinese citizens, this means nothing as the US government can get this data from Google, Apple or the phone manufacturers anyway. For the rest of the world, this makes a huge difference. My government can currently NOT get my location data easily. And the joint protocol + implementation by Google + Apple will keep it so.
Goverments now do implement their tracking apps based on GAEN, because it is both easy and secure. The protocol is already on the phones, and there are reference implementations available. A country only needs to add the local UI (in a local language & branding), add integration with local health services (to allow citizens to declare themselves as contagious), roll out and be done.
Look at the implementation list in Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... I can only wish governments luck on implementing this.
The thing to notice here is how Google and Apple overplayed all governments of the world by joint and swift action. In the current case, this is a good thing - GAEN is better and more secure / private than the location-based and other approaches that the national govermnents had. In some cases, the GPS-based apps have been pulled and replaced by GAEN-based ones already.
However, in the long run, this is scary. The digital sovreignty of a country (or state) means nothing. What the US-based mobile giants do, the rest of the world will use and follow.
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inode_buddha 2 hours ago
I remember the last time something came out of Utah, it was called "SCO" and yeah it was a scam. Fuckers got off with it too, as in they are still alive even though their "company" is long since dead.
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Martin S. 2 hours ago
A patent must be a novel solution to the problem; this clearly fails the test given the number of contact tracing apps that have produced the same solution when presented with the same problem.
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eatvegetables 2 hours ago
From the actual patent:
"One embodiment may include a method of converting an electronic device into a tracking device that is part of a system of tracking devices distributed throughout a geographic area to track signal emitting devices travelling through the geographic area."
Police use cell tower information to identify the location of suspect phones retrospectively. They've done this for many years. For example, Bob says he was at home when Sally's house was robbed, so he must be innocent. Oops. Bobs phone was recorded as being near cell tower next to Sally's house when the robbery occured.
1. A system of tracking devices: cell towers
2. Signal emitting devices: Bob's cell phone
3. Traveling through geographic area: Bob's cell phone was seen by all the cell towers between his house and Sally's house. Bob was at Sally's house at the time of the robbery.
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"says his patent fight is driven by concerns about their privacy and effectiveness, not an attempt to profit."
Riiiiiiight....purely selfless.....for the people.
So will 100% of the money collected go towards Covid-19 vaccine research, or privacy groups?
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Bengie 10 hours ago

The technology needed to do their fundamental jobs were unaffected. They refused to accept new patients because it was too inconvenient. It's a risk management issue. Not having your system's up and running in order to track patients can lead to more mistakes, and mistakes can be deadly. But if you're talking about an ER, there is plenty they can do without their network working. The issue is they have no back-up plan. It's like they just gave up. Ohh no, the internet went out, I think I'll just curl up and die, I don't know how to function without it.

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dackroyd 4 hours ago

"They refused to accept new patients because it was too inconvenient."

Or because they would be unable to get the patients records to be able to see if they had any allergies to medicines.

"The issue is they have no back-up plan. "

The backup plan was diverting patients to an alternative hospital.
For some patients it might be better to start treatment at the nearest hospital. But it's not possible to know the right choice in emergency situations.
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guruevi 4 hours ago
In the US hospitals are required to have backup plans for all technology downtime.
Where Iâ(TM)ve seen it implemented this is done by working off paper and having phone-based access to an isolated EHR system (they run from a data backup on an airgapped system) to request records.
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Malays2 bowman 5 minutes ago

"you're talking about an ER, there is plenty they can do without their network working. The issue is they have no back-up plan. It's like they just gave up. Ohh no, the internet went out, I think I'll just curl up and die, I don't know how to function without"

Wow! I would not want to depend on them
when a major disaster strikes and comms
gets wiped out.
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shadowrat 13 hours ago

However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
I would imagine we have computer technology that allows us to keep someone alive that we didn't have in the past. In the past, that person would have simply died sooner.

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Mr. Dollar Ton 13 hours ago

Badly. Two of my family members were saved last year and two years ago from things that were lethal in the 80s. A failure of this kind is not a reason to abandon the technology, but to improve it.
And a major step would be to finally introduce product liability for software bugs that create this kind of situation, which will change the tradeoff between that shiny new half-assed feature and security towards a more sane proportion.

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jellomizer 12 hours ago

Many of these patients died 40 years ago.
40 years ago without these advanced computers and communication many of these procedures would have been extremely risky to perform.
Also a lot of time was wasted in moving of paperwork and a lot of useful information wasn't available.
They didn't manage to treat these patents 40 years ago. They often died in the attempt, or were decided to be not get treated, and allowed to get worse without an attempt to fix the problem.

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masasuka 12 hours ago

Not necessarily, from the sounds of it this was the equivalent of a hospital having a fire/flood in the patient records room. File folders of patient data, allergies, medical history, etc... would have been lost in that case as well, and doctors would be guessing as to whether or not 'medical sedative X' is going to knock out the patient in prep for surgery, or kill the patient.

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jellomizer 12 hours ago

Compared to modern Electronic Records, the Paper Records were much less detailed. A doctor if requesting the medial records, will take the top few pages, While an Ill patient could have a large stack of pages of useful details. As well as Drug to Drug interactions, Allergies...
Now hospitals should have proper downtime procedures in place. This doesn't sound like they really didn't have that inplace.

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ljw1004 12 hours ago

However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
Inefficiently, and with a vastly higher rate of injury and death due to "medical accidents" (e.g. administering the wrong medicine)

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Aristos Mazer 12 hours ago

Often we didn't. People died at a much higher rate at hospitals in the past than they do today.

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ebonum 11 hours ago

Billing may have killed him. If the hospital couldn't admitted him as a patient and track treatment for the purpose of creating a bill, the hospital may have decided it was better to send him on his way rather than take the unacceptable risk of not being able to fully bill for his treatment.

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nomadic 9 hours ago
In Germany?
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guruevi 4 hours ago
Yes. In Europe itâ(TM)s not uncommon to have to pay the ambulance or hospital before admittance. This practice is illegal in the US.
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Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

"Yes. In Europe itÃ(TM)s not uncommon to have to pay the ambulance or hospital before admittance. This practice is illegal in the US."
Yikes! Do I detect a flaw in Europe's perfect healthcare system?
Yes, ours (US) still sucks major ass in comparison, but Europe's isn't the big shiny knight on the proud steed as it's often made out to be.
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thegarbz 11 hours ago

However did we manage to treat patients 40 years ago without computers...
Yeah and a fuckton more died back then than do now.

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John Cavendish 8 hours ago

40 years ago cars also had no computers, yet try to use a nowadays car after removing a computer from it, when they're not equipped with carburettors anymore.
You see the point, times change, and tools change as well, hospitals nowadays have no means to maintain paperwork for patients, however would be good to have some contingency for emergency just in case.

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SuperDre 7 hours ago
Well, a lot more people just died back then because there wasn't a treatment/cure...
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Maxo-Texas 4 hours ago
We didn't. World population levels were still under half what they are today when computers got started.
Hospital staffing levels were much higher to handle administration, fill out and file physical cards, and so on.
Not just hospitals but many aspects of our lives today would be much slower, more labor intensive, more error prone, and more expensive without computers

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Nintendo has discontinued its 3DS handheld after about 76 million sales over a nine-and-a-half year period. The BBC reports:
A notice on the Japanese firm's site says "manufacturing of the Nintendo 3DS family of systems has ended." The device had the ability to trick the human eye into seeing 3D images like those in some cinema screenings -- but without special glasses. However, its launch received a lukewarm reception and it only gained popularity later. The console's demise has long been expected. Last year, the company said it no longer planned to make any new first-party games for the system. It means the original Nintendo DS retains the title of being the bestselling mobile console. And the Nintendo Switch -- a hybrid handheld-and-home machine -- is the current focus of Nintendo's efforts.
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3D was huge in 2010. Avatar had just come out. I remember only going to movies "in 3D". I would look for theaters with specific technology. I bought the 3DS and it was awesome. Then I found myself playing more and more with 3D mode turned off. I also stopped caring if movies were 3D... Theater technology had started to age / fail making it a crapshoot at quality. Maybe one day it will be amazing again. It was fun in 2010.
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I just bought a 2DS XL a few weeks ago. It has everything that a large 'XL' 3DS has except there is no 3D function to have to turn off. And it was only $99.
I'm now glad I bought it, because there probably won't be many more shipments of them to stores.
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Anonyrnous 2 hours ago
I love NVidia 3D Vision. I can't believe they've discontinued it in preference to focus on VR, as if they can't afford to support both. I don't think I can go back to playing Witcher 3 in 2D. Now that their new driver doesn't support 3D Vision I have no compulsion to by the new 3080 since I assume it won't work with the last 3D Vision capable driver.
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93 Escort Wagon 3 hours ago
But now that the Switch exists, there's not nearly as much separation between "portable" and "console".
Especially when you've got the Switch Lite...
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I'm still dreaming that they might release a console-only version of the Switch. I really don't like the idea of paying for a screen and battery I will never use - no matter how cheap screens are getting.
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OrangeTide 2 hours ago
there interface of the DS/3DS is substantially different than the Switch and the kinds of games made for that platform often have no equivalent on the Switch. Maybe it's the end of dual-screen touch & pen gaming.
R.I.P. Etrian Odyssey, Professor Layton, The World Ends with You, etc.
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3ds is basically 1996 technology based around N64 hardware.
10 years sounds about right given that the original Gameboy and it's color upgrade
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the same length of time.
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32:30 I feel better now that he is safe 'n secure in his room.

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I remember watching this at school. I was in 3rd grade and I was so mad that my music teacher didn’t let the whole class to continue watching this and just move on from a different topic where the movie was about the end. I was so much worried what will happen to Toby’s dad burned down his toys. Now I’m glad I’m watching this now to see what has happen to the near end of the movie.

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The Swan looks like the one in the Swan Princess movies where Odette turns into a Swan.
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Duuude my nana gave me the dvd and a stuffed velveteen rabbit when I was little :0
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I just watched the Christmas Bunny which led me here. Thank you!! 🎄🙋
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My g-ma has the movie and says its sad, yes it does have a sad part but, that's not the message, the message, to me is that "Loving will make everything real"
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I completely forgot about this movie from my childhood!!! This is the most I’ve cried from a movie ever like why is this free?😭😭 (not complaining lol)
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The movie brings back the good hoping days.🐰🐇
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Thx so much for that. You're a legend. My son and I are still crying :/
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I'm pretty sure I've seen this movie before, thanks for having a showing of it here on this strange website.
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This was one of my favorites as a kid. I remember his mother singing to him "love makes anything real' Was this my dream or is it a mandelia effect?
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Posted by carg85 on 2015-03-15 13:13:18
Hi Michi, thanks for sharing your 'adventure'. Looking back at it, did you also find some excitement/enjoyment in not being in control and at the mercy of your wife?

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Posted by michi on 2015-03-16 22:59:43
I did, actually. I really was not sure how far she'd take it or how long I'd last. Since I returned to the store a few times, I told a couple of the employees what was going on. Interestingly, there were mixed opinions of what she was doing to me. One thought she was being cruel for making me wet my pants, but a couple of them said things like "Have you learned your lesson? I bet you make sure you stop next time, huh?'

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"She asked me to close my eyes and started messing around with the zipper of my jeans and my belt. I heard the "click" of a padlock. She told me to open my eyes and try to undo my pants. I couldn't, I was stuck"

I saw an old vintage photograph of woman in Ohio wearing a full Victorian dress with a high stuff white collar which was fastened and had a big bowtie. She also was wearing a belt that was LOCKED, as in with a key.

It didn't stop her from using the bathroom, but imagine being fully covered up, locked in a dress like this, with the man holding the key.

I could not find more info about it sadly, but I am wondering if this was common practice.

There was another vintage photograph of a woman imprisoned in San Quinten who had a full length prison dress that zipped up in the front. There was a metal band around her neck, and it appeared it kept the zipper locked closed and kept her from removing the dress.

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After searching through some of the tens of millions of encrypted messages pulled from Encrochat devices, Dutch police have launched a new investigation team that will look specifically into corruption, the police force announced on Wednesday. In some cases authorities are looking to identify police who leaked information to organized criminals. The news broadens the scope of the Encrochat investigations, which have focused heavily on drug trafficking and organized crime more generally. Earlier this year, French authorities hacked into Encrochat phones en masse to retrieve message content, and then shared those communications with various other law enforcement agencies.

"Criminal investigations into possible corruption are currently underway and there are likely to be more in the near future. In addition to investigations into drug trafficking and money laundering, investigations into corruption are also given top priority," Chief of Police Henk van Essen said in a Politie press release.

Encrochat was an encrypted phone company that took base Android units, made physical alterations to them, and added its own software. Encrochat devices sent messages with end-to-end encryption, meaning only the intended recipient was supposed to be able to read them. The phones also had a remote wipe feature, letting users destroy communications if they lost physical control of the device, as well as a dual-boot system that let users open an innocuous looking operating system, or the second one containing their more sensitive information. The phones were particularly popular with criminals, including drug traffickers and hitmen. There are indications Encrochat may have had legitimate users too, however. Other Encrochat customers are allegedly those involved in corruption, including police themselves, the press release suggests.

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raymorris 2 hours ago
Quoting TFS:
"French authorities hacked into Encrochat phones en masse to retrieve message content"
The phones are the ends.
It can't be encrypted while you're read it, or while you're typing it.
For that, you have to rely on your phone not being hacked.
Specifically, you have to rely on the app not being cracked and you have to rely on the OS to do what it is supposed to do.
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They caught the techie that was making the phones, put the screws to him, and forced him to send out an update that disabled the encryption, and then sent the messages to a forwarding address.
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You haven't really made it as a crim unless you're working with the cops. At least at that point you're only looking over one shoulder.
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Joe_Dragon 3 hours ago
But what do expect for the money we make?
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brian.stinar an hour ago
I'm glad to see the French following our American example in giving authorities complete access to electronic communication, shaking it, and seeing what crimes(s) fall out. It's a good feeling to know that we have a partner in the war on terror/dictatorships/crime/rights.
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I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
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"I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!" - Don't Tase me Bro!

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plateshutoverlock

Fuck the dog is literally gagging the suspect so he can't talk. OMFG FUCK THE POLICE!
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Kenneth W
Ok one thing I don't understand here. When they have the suspect subdued in the cuffs, why are the police STILL allowing the dog to bite the suspect?! Is that police brutality too?
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Floyd Harrison
police arent public servants, they arent your friends.
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JRLM
Floyd Harrison they are trained by Israeli millitary
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Rah beat
@JRLM they are?
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JRLM
Rah Beats yes
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Messi
They also shouldn’t be the enemy
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Jacob S
JRLM ?? what are you talking about
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Jacob S
Rah Beats the police in america are trained by AMERICANS in USA 😂
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Rakesh Gupta
Yes,they are the idiots to whom government gave power to show their sadist actions
1 year ago
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REDNECKSH!T T&S
Yea they are ur just thug
1 year ago
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dehas1
Actually, despite your dexision to not acknowledge it, that neighbor he robbed is part of the public. People's rights don't end where your entitlement begins.
1 year ago


Redneck Rap Star
@zombiefinatic They are a paramilitary unit and citizens are the enemy combatant. You are not their boss, the private prison system and the military industrial complex are.

We guarantee these private prisons a 95 percent fill rate and then we hire cops to satisfy the contract thru fictitious "Wars on drugs" and other unconstitutional legislation.

No worries, its spilling over to middle class White folks now--men, women and even children being shot in the back, in their own homes, on no knock warrants served in the middle of the night to the wrong address and still, no indictments. Your dog is not safe, your child is not safe and even your grandmother is not safe.

Even former cops are not safe...


We'll see how friendly you think they are when they shoot your dog for nothing more than wagging his tail.
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Trailer Park Life
Like a pack of blood thirsty Wolves.
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Phil Jackson
he said stand up slowly 8 times before he sent em in, no ones fault there but the perp
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John B
UMMM YES sue the shot out of them
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Far2noble
21 trillion dollars in debt and counting XD
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KYLE PIELOCH
"...attacks his face."
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2nightsLater
Watching this reminds me of the time I bit my dog
4 years ago


Young Cutie
3:05 OUCHHHHH!
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Almighty Defender
Where’s the part when that chair falls on his face
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Remy Redd
Damn that's all I can say...
5 years ago


Tony Leon
Omgg
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lorenzo lohman
There is no shame inlaw enforcement
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Nikki N
Think of it like you in your home, with someone breaking in and refusing to leave. You have to threaten and follow through with violence, if they don’t obey.
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89df nyc
wow that was vicious
5 years ago

Tiddles A.
I’m Australian & I wouldn’t trust US cops after what happened to Justine Damond.
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Faizah Hussain
I always cone back to watch this it's brutal
1 year ago


R33C3
XD epic
2 years ago


Patience Hopkins
Eesh! On the freakin mouth. He did say “stand up or I’m letting the dog go” the guy did nothing they said. Why? That’s the real question.
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Dee Mac
dmn;
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plateshutoverlock
Fuck the dog is literally gagging the suspect so he can't talk. OMFG FUCK THE POLICE!
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Armani T. Fryer
😹😹😹😹😹
5 years ago


meatdogg101
SMDH
5 years ago


KELVIN GILMORE
That was tough to watch!
5 years ago


orod22
This was the inspiration for Ramsey Bolton's death.
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yung yung
"stand up slowly"
continues to sit
3 years ago
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Yvette Glover
Looks like the guys already had a pair of handcuffs on when he raised his hands, so not sure what that was all about. Maybe he resisted earlier and they had to bring in the dog? At any rate once a dog is brought in you had better comply because you don't get too many chances and the K9 doesn't always bite the extremities as we saw here.
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ViskaDrake
Correct. He did, it was because he’s a known arsonist with violent tendencies who burned his neighbour’s Christmas tree and threatened him with a knife
2 years ago
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Jacob S
I think you’re right girl.
1 year ago


Jibril X Isreal
poochie a savage! jk but I thought the dog was supposed to bite a suspects arm?
5 years ago


jesse robinson
He passed out because of the pain and the dog was tearing at his side. Dogs should be used only in certain situations.
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SIRE POSEY
Why the big ass dog sound like chihuahua tho lol
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stick killer
the face is the first impression you give to others in this society. and u just scarred him for life..
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DDiez15
Well isn't it fitting given the fact that he's a criminal?
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ukpkmkk
DDiez15 Hope you’ve never had any kind of tickets cause that would make you a criminal as well. Good job 👍
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BBR
@ukpkmkk he deserves it. The officer told him to stand up slowly several times. If he doesn't comply then guess what? You get bit. It's not rocket science 😂.
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Enzo
@BBR you're a weak fucking person
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BBR
@Enzo keep crying pussy 😂. The fact is , if police are telling you to comply, you comply.
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Enzo
@BBR yeah that's what you look like
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TheShermanTanker
Personally i feel that the force used just borders on excessive. The dog biting the guy while he was handcuffed was ok, as it was biting his ass, which is thick muscle and hence tougher. The dog should not have gone for his face though, unlike the rest of the guy (Limbs butt etc) the face is very easily destroyed
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Simple
omg
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Jo Seph
And parasites who defend police wonder why they're so hated. Saddest part is they will justify anything. Sadder still, many of them will never know the injustice that lower class people have to endure from the police because they live in privileged bubbles. All of this happened not to a man who was abusive, or a sexual predator or a criminal of any kind; but to any other guy who was simply complained about by a neighbor due to noise. I've had noise complaints from my neighbors because of my dogs. And in response, the police defy his constitutional rights, invade his home, and have their dog bite his face into oblivion and then bite him some more after he's handcuffed. Anytime I see police getting attacked or murdered I remind myself of the myriad of horrors I've seen too many of their kind inflict upon the common people and I think of one simple word: Justice.
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I want this do sooooooooooooooo bad 🥰 I love dogs
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Peaceful Hooligan
Where the heck is the clip of them looking at his face and then a chair falls and nails him in the face?
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JR
Police have become extremely draconian I dont see how this serves or protects public interests in the slightest. Rush in unleash dogs to maim a man's face who is obviously not posing a threat (has hands raised and sitting down).. just don't see how cops are anything other than a bunch of cowardly armed thugs run by the deep state mafia.
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hi everyone
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Wow
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Anas saleh
He got a settlement for 125.000
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Pointless Banter
What savages
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Ok Okkk
I'd gouge that dogs eyes out.
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I hope they burned that wicked dog to a pile of ash.
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Four armed cops got scared of one man and set a dog on him. They have guns and they make the dog do their job for them.

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Colin Moore
"209, you might wanna back your unit up."
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wow, looks like a scene from the movie "Independence day".
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This officer quick actions may have saved his life... Wow....
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tall32guy
damn i just realize that you can hear a second shockwave come through at 1:17; I'd always noticed the first one right after he started backing up but had never noticed the second one.
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PickelJars ForHillary
Directed by Micheal Bay!!!
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Nash1a
"Explosion following a de-railure"
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Cade Ramsey
You can really hear that crown Vic V8!!!
2 years ago
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cloudtoground
Almost like the fire is chasing him down the street. Oh man, that's a wicked explosion there.
2 years ago
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⚠️Mobile Alabama⚠️☑
General rule of thumb on a derailment with tankers like that you wanna be a mile away..

Tanker cars have been thrown well over half a mile from explosions like this.
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Jonathan Graham
Damn he drives that car great in reverse !
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Bombardier Transportation
10/15/16 11 years after the explosion
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excidental
Well, everyone says everything's bigger in Texas, so thus is no exception.
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Carpaintry of God
Excellent driving skills. Backing up at that speed & staying straight; good job.
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Anime Mark
That explosion reminded me of the explosion from atomic train first the small explosions then the big one
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Michael Hocutt
I remember this like yesterday. I lived about 3 blocks from the train, shook the house and caused lots of damage. I stayed on ferguson street then.
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That's a proper brown trouser moment
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Nathan Grafil
"Damnation!"
3 years ago


A Heimdahl
I live in a rural area with freight trains going through regularly hauling god knows what.
I'm only a few blocks away from the tracks and something like this happening is always in the back of my mind.
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Scott Hayes
There was a boom and then a wall of fire.
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Big Time77
Sound like an explosion from gta v
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Chief Morgan
Nobody:

Me dropping my phone on my wooden floor at 6 am 0:13
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Zayin Frye
0:14 What the...
0:50 HOLY CRAP!
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Dat Boi
that explosion was ginormous
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Tesla Model X
Good thing Randy McAdam (His real name) backed out quickly with his nice sounding V8 (I think) engined Ford Crown Victoria.
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Kristoffer Gullersbo
Wow thats nuts what a big fireball!!
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null95
omg-
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illogicalGhost
Sure hope that officer was wearing his brown pants that day...
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Smokey and the Bandit Part 5
Bandit attempts to haul 400 tankers of anhydrous ammonia to Texarkana
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Jason Marshall
Dame
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The Countryhumans Fanatic
At one point it looked like the sun was rising.
5 months ago


D M
But what about the train engineer?
10 months ago


Kat Turner
Holy shit. That was incredible.
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Officer Trainman
Country Roads intensifies
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Marcus Dunning
Those days are done thank goodness
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Andrew Ace
!!!!!!!
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Shift Lizard
This is what happens when you under pay your chemical operators. You end up hire morons that are willing to work for less, and they blow the place up.
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K Nazir Ingram
He backed up into the next state and I don't blame him
7 months ago


tall32guy
In the title, you meant to say "explosion follows derailment." LOL The explosion happened BECAUSE of the derailment, not the other way around.
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Kitsune Scribe
Actually, according to the report, the explosion was caused by a maintenance truck idling near the leaking tanker.
10 months ago


plateshutoverlock
After an explosion like this, a derailment is the least of your worries.
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Corey English
If this car or officer is considered 209 why is it showing 207 on dash cam?
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plateshutoverlock
This might not be his regular patrol car.
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Nicole Avery
Dang
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Hoobastankus The Wise
Shitshitshitshitshit
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Bryan A.Cal
what the hell is a train carrying, that does that kind of explosion
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Justin Farley
Anhydrous Ammonia
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CPWindsorsub
Stuff that can't be shipped by truck because of how volatile it is. Still a lot safer to ship it by rail than by truck though.
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Dat Boi
military equipment like missles
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tall32guy
Propylene, as I recall.
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Justin Farley
cornbread1996 propylene? the same gas thats turned to liquid for propylene glycol? i mean it is flammable but isn't it technically slightly lighter then air? if so would it travel so low?
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tall32guy
It's basically another petroleum-derived flammable hydrocarbon gas like propane.
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tall32guy
that stuff ain't explosive. it ain't even flammable. lol
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plateshutoverlock
Not much comfort for those who live by the rail line.
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ruby 2001
wow that the biggest exposure i ever seen
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Jt Carpenter
wtf was that train carrying or near?
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Damir Osmanovic
❓ why that texekana
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ClockySauce
I'm a transient and when I was passing through Texarkana I actually camped right next to the track where this happened. They don't use it anymore even though it's fully repaired.
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Justin Gomez
why did it derail?
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John Ferguson
Liquid propane is dangerous stuff. The biggest conventional bombs dropped by the US Air Force (The Mother of All Bombs) use LPG as the explosive.
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Justin Farley
Anhydrous Ammonia
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tall32guy
This was propylene also known as propene. Found that out when researching the occurrence.
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David Parry
Did a really good job of 'protecting and serving' that community... while reversing away at high speed.
Salute that striped rag really hard, little usa...
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Dante Inouye
What's he supposed to do? Stand in the way of the giant explosion?...
1 year ago
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Anthony Evich
And the moron award goes to... Sir David Perry!
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Brandon W
David Parry what could he have done, shot at the fire?
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Kitsune Scribe
209 was actually part of the detail alerting the public to evacuate (this happened late at night). He was blocking the roadway so civilians wouldn't try to go near the accident site.
10 months ago
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Alfonso Medina
@Dante Inouye he could have shot at the flames or turned on his lights or used his fire extinguisher
10 months ago
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Alfonso Medina
@Brandon W yes he could have or used his fire extinguisher
10 months ago


Guy that uses Plotagon
That shockwave was movin fast my guy. This dude won't be able to save a cent if he drove Into it.
4 months ago


plateshutoverlock
So what's he supposed to do, run to every house when he only had seconds before being burned to a crisp? He had no way of knowing how dangerous the vapor cloud was outside of what he could see.

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I had a church lady zip my pants zipper for me. I didn't know my fly was down, and she came over and without asking zipped up the front of my pants.

She buttoned the collar of my shirt too and the cuffs and told me I had to dress this way and that I better not be sloppy in my apperance ever again.

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Forget glossy travel brochures and whizzy online sites; one of the most cost-effective ways tourism chiefs can drive business to their towns or cities is by updating their Wikipedia page. From a report:
An experiment by economists at the Collegio Carlo Alberto in Turin, Italy, and ZEW in Mannheim, Germany, found that a few simple edits to a Wikipedia page could lead to an extra $130,000 a year in tourism revenue for a small city, underscoring the power of the free online encyclopaedia. The researchers randomly selected cities across Spain to receive targeted improvements to their Wikipedia pages, adding a few paragraphs of information on their history and local attractions, as well as high-quality photos of the local area.

It didn't take an expert, either. Most of the content added was simply translated over from the Spanish Wikipedia into either French, German, Italian or Dutch. Doing so had an immediate and remarkable effect: adding just two paragraphs of text and a single photo to the article increased the number of nights spent in the city by about 9% during the tourist season. In some instances, the increase was even larger. For cities with barely anything on their Wikipedia pages, a minor edit could raise visits by a third.

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Malays2 bowman 5 minutes ago

Tourism industries have a knack for covering up all of the bad stuff that happens in those areas.
If I go to a resort and there is a high risk of me get robbed and assaulted the moment I step off of the grounds of the resort, I'm not going to want to go to that place either.
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Drumpf Furhor's Orange Makeup is Smearing (-1)

Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

It's time to whine on Twitter like a bitch as faggot, Mr President.
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Re: HA! ECONOMISTS! Sniffing a magic 8 ball, are we (+1)
Mister Transistor 3 hours ago
Well, that lasted what, 4 days? Good job, it was nice not seeing these ass-wiped rolls of used toilet paper on EVERY FUCKING THREAD HERE.
WTF, /.???
Do you need a fucking PROGRAMMER to FIX THIS FOR YOU????
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Why kids should not have unfettered net access (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

Defacement of threads with 20 consecutive giant swastikas is something a kid would do. But of course, parents are expected to be just another school chum, not an actual parent. Else, they can expect CPS to come knocking on their door.
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Scotland (+3, Funny)
phalse phace 5 hours ago
Wikipedia Edits Have Massive Impact on Tourism, Say Economists
How's Scotland's tourism industry doing?
Most of Scottish Wikipedia Written By American in Mangled English
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Re: Scotland (+1)
geekmux 5 hours ago
Wikipedia Edits Have Massive Impact on Tourism, Say Economists
How's Scotland's tourism industry doing?
Not to be stereotypical, but aren't they too drunk to care?
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Re: Scotland (+1)
crobarcro 4 hours ago
You're thinking of the irish
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Re: Scotland (+1)
Too Late for Cool ID 4 hours ago
I assume the Scottish are big users of Wikipedia because it's free.
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Re: Scotland (+2)
frank_adrian314159 4 hours ago
That's right, the Scotch are too cheap to ever drink enough to get drunk.
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Re: Scotland (+1)
geekmux 3 hours ago
You're thinking of the irish
Scotch: whiskey distilled in Scotland especially from malted barley; also called also Scotch whisky
OhAye...Yoorrrright....wat da fook wuz I thinkin'?
(Any country that has a base alcohol named after them couldn't possibly fit the stereotype...)
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Correlation is not causation (+1)

Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

So, an increase in tourism followed modifying Wikipedia articles.
But, to assume the Wikipedia article is the *reason* behind the increase is somewhat ridiculous unless you can completely rule out all other variables.
Did the economy do well the year tourism increased? The increase bay be due primarily to an increase in disposable income.
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+1)
DontBeAMoran 5 hours ago
It could be the increase in tourism that caused the edits to the related Wikipedia pages. People added things that they thought were missing but would have been useful to know.
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Resaerched (+1)
DrYak 4 hours ago
It could be the increase in tourism that caused the edits to the related Wikipedia pages.
Nope.
The summary and the news article both mention that the edits were done by the researcher themselves.
(And were banned by the dutch wikipedia admin for being too commercial).
The increase was measured after the edits.
But the news article fails to mention what the researcher used to establish a baseline against which to measure this increase.
(Did they also did a random selection of cities that they did not edit as a negative control ?) or other form of analysis.
(Did the cities' tourism office report an increase of tourists from the specific languages targetted by the editing experiment ?)
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+3, Insightful)
ranton 4 hours ago
to assume the Wikipedia article is the *reason* behind the increase is somewhat ridiculous unless you can completely rule out all other variables. Did the economy do well the year tourism increased? The increase bay be due primarily to an increase in disposable income.
For god's sake, how do you think any research is done? Just use a control group. Very little of their methodology was mentioned in the article so who knows if it was worthwhile research, but it wouldn't be too hard to design a study to mitigate for the factors you mention. At a high level just pick a good distribution of 100 cities you will make the Wiki updates to and 100 cities you will not. Then check the change in tourism in each city. Perhaps monitor other Wiki changes not done by your research team to see if those cities should be removed from the study.
That is just the basics. There are plenty of techniques they could use to ensure they aren't just measuring normal economic improvements, among other factors.
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+5, Informative)
Anubis IV 4 hours ago
So, an increase in tourism followed modifying Wikipedia articles.
But, to assume the Wikipedia article is the *reason* behind the increase is somewhat ridiculous unless you can completely rule out all other variables.
Did the economy do well the year tourism increased? The increase bay be due primarily to an increase in disposable income.
They asserted that there was a causal impact in the opening line of the paper.
It's not difficult to control for such variables, which they did. The 9% improvement the summary talked about? That's 9% over the control group according to the paper.
They selected a randomized set of cities across Spain, updated those pages on Wikipedia across multiple languages, and then waited to see what the results were. Simultaneously, they randomly selected a different set of cities for their control group, then used those cities as a basis for comparison, allowing them to control for whether changes in local or national economy, overall tourism trends towards Spain, etc., etc. etc. had made a difference. And one of the benefits of using Spanish cities is that the hotels keep a record of the nationality of the tourists staying overnight, providing the scientists with an additional indication of whether their changes to Wikipedia had been effective (i.e. if a city sees a tourism boom in general, it proves nothing, but if it sees a boom specifically from the people who speak the languages of the pages they had edited, that would point towards a causal relationship, which in a quick skim of the paper appears to be what they saw). Oh, and they also performed a statistical analysis to make sure that their selection of control cities did not affect their results.
I love how the first thing that everyone on Slashdot does is assume that no one who literally does this job for their living knows how to properly control for variables. While there are some scientists who cut corners, most of the time they've done their homework, especially when the research took over a year to perform in total.
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+4, Funny)
penandpaper 3 hours ago
>knows how to properly control for variables.
Well if you have seen some of the code I have seen, programmers don't know how to properly control their own variables. Maybe it's projection.
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+1)
dgatwood 3 hours ago
No matter how good you get at programming, you never outgrow the tendency to accidentally forget to increment/accumulate at the end of a sufficiently complex loop.
Maybe they should repeat this experiment in Russia. After all, <Yakov surname="Smirnoff">in Soviet Russia, variables control you.</Yakov> :-D
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Re: Correlation is not causation (+1)
ljw1004 3 hours ago
I love how the first thing that everyone on Slashdot does is assume that no one who literally does this job for their living knows how to properly control for variables. While there are some scientists who cut corners, most of the time they've done their homework, especially when the research took over a year to perform in total.
Thank you for your summary of the paper.
We all know that correlation isn't causation. But I think that correlation is *correlated* with causation... (at least, scientific reports of correlation are correlated with scientific discoveries of causation).
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Re: Correlation is not causation
Rockoon 2 hours ago
Its so easy to control for such variables, that they pretended to control for it but clearly didn't.

Reason: Their editing of wikipedia articles has an effect on what other wikipedia editors do, and they absolutely did not control for that, as you so clearly explained without fucking noticing.
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commentsubject

Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

"and nothing of value was produced"
only shuffled
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DontBeAMoran 5 hours ago
The job of everyone working with computers is to re-organize zeroes and ones into different patterns.
Random zeroes and ones have no value. Zeroes and ones in specific patterns have value.
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Re: commentsubject (+2)
Anubis IV 4 hours ago
Random zeroes and ones have no value.
Technically, random 0s and 1s do have values: they're literally either 0 or 1. ;)
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Re: commentsubject (+1)
DontBeAMoran 4 hours ago
Obligatory Red Forman.
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Re: commentsubject (+1)
davidwr 3 hours ago
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Um, "don't be a smartass"??? This IS Slashdot after all.
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DontBeAMoran 3 hours ago
Requirements to be a smartass (SFW)
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They have a lot of value to some of us (+1)
raymorris 4 hours ago
That's funny. It also reminds me ...
> Random zeroes and ones have no value.
TechyImmigrant was paid well to produce random ones and zeroes which I use to secure your communications.
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Re: commentsubject (+2)
ranton 4 hours ago
"and nothing of value was produced". only shuffled
Unless perhaps some people were able to pick a better tourist destination because of the information they found in Wikipedia. That would have value.
If you want to take advantage of the benefits of a free market, you must live with sales and marketing being a significant portion of the economy. In my opinion the main reason we don't have 20 hour work weeks now is because increased productivity has mostly led to companies spending more money to compete against each other. Did Customer Success Managers or Product Managers even exist in 1920? While I also believe it has led to better products and better client service, it has certainly created a lot of jobs that wouldn't need to exist if not for the profit motive.
This is the why even though I do think AI and robotics will continue to cause upheaval in many industries, businesses will always find new ways to people to grab another 1% market share from their competitors. Thus forcing their competitors to do the same, and now we have new jobs created by the corporate version of mutually assured destruction.
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This is what Wikivoyage is for (+2, Informative)
xack 5 hours ago
WIkipedia has a sister project called Wikivoyage that is specifically designed for tourism info. I think the Wikimedia foundation should promote that to tourists more.
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Re: This is what Wikivoyage is for (+1)
aaarrrgggh 3 hours ago
Personally, I look up information on a city for a random reason, and it either ends up in the bin, or as a place where maybe I want to go at some point in the future for whatever reason. For people like me, having interesting content of varied nature (not just tourist attractions) can leave a good impression. It doesn’t even need to be cities that are considered tourist destinations— knowing that The Dish Room in Burlington, CO is owned and operated by a local guy that went to culinary school in the big city, but missed country life and now runs one of the best restaurants on I-70 between Denver and Kansas City might be enough for me to spend the night in town.

Many people use Yelp and their ilk in the moment of a decision, but creating interest via Wikipedia
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Re: This is what Wikivoyage is for (+1)
demonlapin 2 hours ago
I use Atlas Obscura for this sort of thing, and while it's not all that often that I find something that appeals to my interests and isn't far out of the way, I find enough to make it worth checking out my planned routes to see if they mention anything along the line.
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Re: This is what Wikivoyage is for

Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

Modded you up, but had to add a thank you. I never knew about wikivoyage before now.
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Study limitations (+4, Informative)
skoskav 4 hours ago
Link to actual study: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/p...
Some of my quick takeaways of the possible limitations of the study:
1) They acknowledge that a significant part of the effect could just be tourism "stealing" from neighboring cities.
2) The effect was more significant if the original article was nearly empty.
3) They used control groups in a perhaps unintuitive way:
To ensure balance in the treatment and control groups, we used a stratified randomization design. We ordered the 60 cities by the total number of tourists. Then we divided the cities into ten groups of six cities each. Within each group, we randomly assigned the city to one of six treatments. The six treatments were as follows: treat the city page in one of the six possible language pairs (Dutch & German; Dutch & French; Dutch & Italian; German & French; German & Italian; French & Italian). Hence, 120 city pages were treated and 120 pages remained as controls.
It's not an issue per se to group the different wiki languages like that, but I did not find a clear justification for it. If not properly accounted for it could be an indicator of p-hacking, by looking at their collected data whichever way is the most favorable for a positive outcome, and downplaying the remaining data.
4) The Dutch wiki admins were assholes.
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Re: Study limitations

Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

> 4) The Dutch wiki admins were assholes.
Is that not the norm for most wikipedia admins? At least it seems to me that most of them are more worried about their procedures than actually getting correct information.
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Re: Study limitations (+2)
Anubis IV 4 hours ago
4) The Dutch wiki admins were assholes.
The word "Dutch" was unnecessary in that sentence.
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Re: Study limitations (+1)
ShanghaiBill 4 hours ago
a significant part of the effect could just be tourism "stealing" from neighboring cities.
Perhaps. But if I run a restaurant in town X, I don't care if my competitors in neighboring town Y get less business.
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Re: Study limitations (+1)
skoskav 2 hours ago
Yeah, the local businesses wouldn't care whether the tourists are just diverted or if the country's tourism sector is actually affected. But it would matter for the government.
So the study's design limited the effect from being better quantified and understood.
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New business or displacement? (+1)
petes_PoV 4 hours ago
a few simple edits to a Wikipedia page could lead to an extra $130,000 a year in tourism revenue for a small city,
Does this just divert visitors away from other nearby locations or does it actually generate new business and attract visitors to make additional journeys.
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Re: New business or displacement? (+1)
b0bby 3 hours ago
From the point of view of any particular city, that may not matter.
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Re: New business or displacement? (+1)
aaarrrgggh 3 hours ago
Tourism has plenty of zero-sum scenarios, but the more places people want to go, the more time they will spend traveling.
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Re: New business or displacement? (+1)
im_thatoneguy 3 hours ago
Every second of every day is a zero sum situation. So probably. But it might increase the chances of going to a region if there is something nearby. E.g. my wife wanted to go to Sevilla in Spain but we had to stop in Barcelona and Madrid for the airports so we spent time in each of those locations. And we also read about towns that were a train ride away from Sevilla.
So yes that probably took away time we could have used to go to the Netherlands or Austria but usually people journey a bit around the destination they want to go to. And the more things there are nearby the more likely they are to visit. We would have been less likely to visit Sevilla if there wasn't also a couple neighboring towns that also filled out our visit.
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Next, Try YouTube (+1)
Lije Baley 3 hours ago
Those live cams seem to quite effective as well.

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feeding the trolls - a huge mental midget (-1)
Anonymous Coward a day ago
poster also licks the ice cream at the supermarket
P.S. => he's not "being edgy" just another sadsack ne'er-do-well
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An old ditty from Spike Jones (+1)
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Re: Was surprised at how reasonable the IA folks ar
Anonymous Coward a day ago
What an absolutely horrible thing for you to do.
Thanks for breaking the archive, scumbag.
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I wonder if this a reaction to Archive.is (+1)
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Archive.is not .org blocks cloudflare and browsers the owner dosen’t like. By partnering with it’s competitor cloudflare is sending a message that they are the real organisation in charge of the internet.
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--- cloudflare is sending a message that they are the real organisation in charge of the internet. --- .... Good, google needs some competition in that space. What we need now is a cloudflare browser. Though that may not be necessary, as cloudflare seems to be gaining its foothold in the lower levels of the network stack.
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Good, google needs some competition in that space.

Definitely agree, Google needs more competition in all the markets they are in.
What we need now is a cloudflare browser.

Oh! I would love to see what a cloudfare browser would be like. Probably just another Chromium browser, but hey, who knows!
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Oh! I would love to see what a cloudfare browser would be like. Probably just another Chromium browser, but hey, who knows!
Or another fork of Firefox. Neither of which I feel is really necessary today...
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Or worse... the only fork that doesn't need to answer a CAPTCHA
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A Story Luc, Please?

Posted by early_bedtimer on 2009-05-23 21:11:41
Please, ask detailed questions, you'll receive detailed replies ;-)

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Posted by nray999_b on 2009-05-27 01:58:19
Luc, I saw your posting on Google so here I am. I have lots of questions but I will start with a few. It looks like you added some questions to the poll, is this correct? I would like to know more about what you wear to bed and how you are put to bed for a start.
Can you describe your nightclothes in detail? In the last question you mention wearing a nightie, can you tell me more about styles and materials? Are you involved in buying them and do you have any choice in what you wear? Also do you wear different nighties if you are being punished or sent to bed for your sister's convenience? Do you normally wear anything else to bed like a night cap, ear plugs or a sleep mask? How do you feel wearing nighties, are they comfortable, embarrassing, exciting or?

When you are in bed are you allowed to read or listen to music and can you get up to go to the bathroom or is your door locked? Do you have a baby monitor in your room? What sort of sheets and covers are on your bed and are there any other restrictions on you. Does your mother use medication to make you sleep?

When you are prepared for bed do you undress yourself or are you undressed by another? Is this different for a punishment? When do you normally change into your nightie? Also what are the arrangements for bathing, both normally and for a punishment.

When your sisters babysit you do they treat you more strictly (earlier bedtime or immediate bed time) or the same. Does anybody else babysit you if your mother and sisters are away?

Thanks V

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Posted by early_bedtimer on 2009-05-27 17:24:07
"how you are put to bed for a start?"

I've ever been put to bed early by mom. At the birth of Edith, my first half-sister, I was 6 y.o. and my bedtime was already at 6:00 pm. My sister did sleep in my room at the same time. Two years later, when Sarah, my other sister came, that continues so: bedtime at 6 for the three of us, in the same bedroom. When Edith was 7 (and I was 13-14), she slept in her own bedroom and her bedtime was later because she had dance lessons and mom takes care of her. My bedtime and the one of Sarah did stay at 6 for a while, until Sarah starts also to dance and to play piano. Both the girls had then the same room (my former one, I had to move in a smaller one), and a later bedtime than mine that did stay at 6:00 pm. Since such an early bedtime suits mom (who doesn't like I'd go out in the evening and thinks I'm less mature and reliable than the girls) and my sisters (who can stay in peace after dinner with mom, play together, chat, watch TV programs they prefer…), I've still to be ready to sleep for the night at 6:00. As when I was younger, I've then to make me ready for bed at 5:15 and to dine in nightie at 5:30 to be in bed on time, while the younger girls are still fully clothed.

I've then such early bedtimes since I was a little baby, and mom said I'm today a big baby and I'll have to get into bed as soon as she wants, as long as I'll live with her and my younger sisters. The girls bedtime is at 9:00 or 9:30 on weekdays and 11:00 or even midnight on holidays.

My mother was always stricter about me than about my younger sis. When we fought (and still we fight) or when one of my sisters accuse me rightly or unfairly, that's everytime me who's punished, put straight to bed for the rest of the day, had (and has) earlier bedtime on weekdays and whole day in bed during weekends and holidays. And that's often so. Besides, sometimes mom spanks me bare bottom (with only my nightie on) in front of my younger sisters (and even some of their young mates) before a cornertime and a more or less long time bed confinement.

Mom always put me to bed earlier everytime she or my sistres have guests. I've to sleep before they come and in this case mom usually uses medication (sirup or suppositories). I've off course to stay in bed since next morning even when the guests leave early.

When mom goes out, I've to be in bed before she leaves. When she's absent only for a short while, that's rather my sisters who put me to bed and babysit me. For a longer lenght, my babysitter is usually a neighbour (a girl younger than me, without a risk for her because I'm anyway in bed and locked up with babyphone on) or Catherine, one of my classmates who is also my girlfriend.

Once in bed, at any time, I'm not allowed to read nor listen music or radio, except sometimes when I'm in bed before 3:30 pm (I've next to take a snack then to sleep) because of bad weather outdoor (and for not hampering mom and sisters at home). That's usually Edith and/or Sarah who do me ready to sleep. They close my shutters and curtains, tuck me in, switch my baby monitor on (a "Switel" which has also a talkie-walkie function), kiss me nite-nite, order me to obey and to sleep immediatly, switch my light off, then lock me up.

Punished or no, I'm no more allowed to get up once put to bed. I'm moreover not able to go out my bedroom since I'm shut away, nor to dress again since I had to leave all my clothes and shoes in the wardrobe before to get into bed (and I'd punished if I'd forget its). I've a potty in my bedroom and, if I've a need daytime, I can call mom, sisters or babysitter by the baby monitor. One of them eventually goes upstairs to let me go to the toilet before to put me again to bed.

Other explanations in a next message 

Chris

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Posted by nray999_b on 2009-05-28 00:11:05
Thanks for answering so quickly. I hope you can tell more about nighties and bed preparation next time. Also when you are confined to bed all day for punishment are you allowed up at all for meals or bathing?

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Posted by early_bedtimer on 2009-05-28 14:26:31
"Can you describe your nightclothes in detail?"

I never wear pyjama nor panties, only female or girl nighties with nothing under. They are different depending the season. In summer, they are short and fine, light colored (pink, blue pastel, white, yellow), most of them without sleeves, often with floral or childish motives. In automn and winter, they are longer and larger, are in cotton and have sleeves. Some of them were the former ones of mom. Others are gifts from mommy, from my girlfriend and babysitter Catherine (2 years a half younger than me even if in the same class), and even from other classmates.

The one I prefer, comes from Catherines mother. Its color is salmon, it's long, almost transparent, with black thin straps. I received its for my 19th anniversary. I had to accompany Catherine, her mother and her younger sister Christine in the lingerie boutique of a friend of Catherines mom and mine. I had to undress fully for fitting some babydolls and nighties. The owner was amused seeing me walking so barefoot and naked under nighties through her shop in front of other amazed female customers. Herself gives me a well-matched night cap! During the whole fitting, I was very, very embarrassed but I'd in the same time to refrain my trouble and my excitation. I was happily soon token back home and put straight to bed in the early afternoon by Catherine, after the boutiques owner and her customers wished me an "happy birthday" and a "good night".

I normally wear a fresh nightgown once a week, when I've to get into bed at my usual Sunday bedtime, at the latest in the middle of the afternoon.

I've not other nightclothes when bed punished, but I put my current nightie on when I've to be spanked bare bottom and to have a cornertime downstairs in the living room.

Mom wants I have my night cap on when I've to stay in bed all day as a punishment or by bad weather, especially during winter weekends and Xmas holidays. On cold days, I've then to spend most of the time in bed and, rather than to get up barefoot to go to brush my teeth and occasionaly go to the toilet or bring back downstairs my tray after a meal in bed, mommy lends me slippers of her. They are pink with a pompom and have heels.

I feel absolutely comfortable with a nightie on in bed, but at once embarrassed and excited to be seen by everyone, as a near 20 years old boy so undressed, already in bed or ready to go to sleep, at any time in the day, when all the others, even very much younger kids, are still up and fully dressed for hours. Usually, however, I'm already tucked in bed and asleep light off when guests come home, and like this I don't see them when they come by curiosity to glance at me being without a doubt the only for miles around lying so early, daytime, between his sheets, without to be ill nor actually a little baby.

Chris

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Epic Games says Fortnite: Save the World will no longer be playable on macOS beginning on September 23rd because Apple is preventing the game from receiving new updates. The Verge reports:
The co-op action shooter was initially released as a paid early access title in 2017. Epic's far more popular free-to-play battle royale will still be playable on Mac, the company says. Epic says Apple is blocking new updates and patches for the macOS version of Save the World, and an upcoming update going out to other platforms will cause bugs and "a very poor experience" for players stuck on the current version.

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Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store... (+4, Insightful)
williamyf 7 hours ago
There is no way in hell apple cold stop Epic from publishing updates on their website.
Granted, the update will not be notarized, and MacOS would throw a warning and refuse to run the binaries. But cancelling the warning and being able to run the update is actually easier than sideloading an android app downloaded from a Website. You know, like Epic did a while ago with Fortnite itself...
Good grief, just do the update, publish them and let the chips land were they will.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+2)
dgatwood 7 hours ago
If the app is sandboxed, it's actually quite a lot worse than the machine refusing to run the binaries because of lack of notarization. The app wouldn't be able to access its sandbox container at all, so even if you dismissed the warning, you still won't be able to usefully run the app.
They could, of course, have you re-download with sandboxing disabled, and then the app could manually migrate the sandboxed preferences and similar back into the main Library directory, but it would require some coding effort, and the resulting app would probably still be unable to access anything that the previous sandboxed app had stored in the keychain (including the user's login credentials), or at best would trigger a flurry of extra permissions dialogs.
Impossible, no. Painful, definitely. :-)
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+1)
angel'o'sphere 7 hours ago
I did not understand a single word.
I download and install "applications" on my Mac quite often ... what "sandbox" are you talking about?
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+2)
dgatwood 7 hours ago
App sandboxing. Required for any app distributed in the Mac App Store.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+2)
adamstew 2 hours ago
It's a computer. They are free to distribute the app via their own website. Users can download it and install it. No Mac App Store required.
The only plausible argument is that users will have to delete the version they have downloaded from the app store and do a brand new "full install" of the game from outside of the app store...but there is absolutely nothing preventing Epic from doing so.
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CoolDiscoRex 5 hours ago
what "sandbox" are you talking about?
Damn, dude, don't they have playgrounds where you're from?
Google the nearest one, drive over to it, find the sandbox, kick the down the sand castle of the little wiener kid who made it, and as the kid is crying while the mother is berating you for destroying her little messiah's masterpiece, sit down and download the application of your choice.
Once it's installed, you're good to go. It'll stay installed so long as you don't delete it.
Come on, people, what's so hard about this?
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DontBeAMoran 4 hours ago
"Once it's installed, you're good to go. It'll stay installed so long as you don't delete it and as long as you stay in the sandbox."
FTFY
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+1)
idontusenumbers 6 hours ago
So package it in a DMG or PKG and have them log into epic account again and re-sync all their content?
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+1)
dgatwood 5 hours ago
Pretty much, yeah. Like I said, not impossible, just annoying.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+2, Insightful)
CoolDiscoRex 5 hours ago
Personally, I think this is awesome. I want my computer manufacturer to determine what software is acceptable for me to run, and I feel like we’re finally getting closer to that awesome reality. The walled garden that is iOS has, at least to varying degrees, found it’s way to the Mac. I guess all us frogs saw it coming when Apple began slowly turning up the heat. They didn’t turn it up fast enough for us to leap out, though.
It’s a matter of time before it will be impossible to disable SIP, and all software will have to be blessed by Apple on the Mac as it is on the phone. Phones and tablets are simply smaller computers, and most of us actually accepted that we could not get root on our own private property, while the manufacturer got to keep it. Many of you prefer it this way, no doubt the higher-IQ segment of users.
We’ve finally progressed. I try to imagine being denied root on a personal computer (of any OS) in the 1990s, and I can’t imagine it meeting anything but ridicule. Now, it’s an actual thing that people don’t just accept, but defend. Even though it’s been shown repeatedly that duopolies are nearly equivalent for consumers as monopolies, the consumer still champions their “choice”. Much like Democrat/Republicans do.
Alas, the promise of the great liberating giving a voice to the people never materialized. Instead, the big companies used it to accelerate their hold on the population. Now we compete over who’s more loyal to the corporation. I just read another post on another site where, in response to someone posting the specs for an iPhone X, a guy posted “You shouldn’t post unofficial specs. Apple has asked us not to care how much RAM our phones have, and some of us have agreed not to.”
This appeared to be an otherwise intelligent, rational adult.
We’re a smart species, having invented jets and radar and skyscrapers, etc. but our narcissistic self-defense mechanisms are exploited with little effort.
Speaking of, if you disagree with anything I’ve said, then remember, I’m a Troll, or maybe, just maybe, either insane or evil. They’re the only rational explanations.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+1)
nitehawk214 2 hours ago
And not worth the development effort, thus they are shutting it down.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store. (+1)
SleepingEye 7 hours ago
They could, but why? They've already lost access to the SDKs. The computer noobs using those laptops aren't going to want to or know how to leave the confines of the garden. They could easily turn blacklist Epic Games should the lawsuit get worse. Throw them on the malware list. There's literally no reason why they should waste any more effort on that platform
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store. (+1)
Arkham 4 hours ago
They didn't lose "Access to the SDKs". I don't have an active developer account, but I have access to all the SDKs. Go to the app store on a Mac, download Xcode, and there you have access to every SDK that Apple has.
This is purely about signing the app and putting it in the app store. The SDK access thing is fear mongering by Epic to try to justify to the court why they shot themselves in the face.
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Anonymous Coward 28 minutes ago
They didn't lose access to the physical code, but they lost access to the LICENSE. This means Apple can turn around and sue them into the ground for IP infringement because they are using copyrighted Apple stuff without permission, and for profit.
IMHO, Epic is digging themselves a big hole. They signed Apple's contract, and just that alone will get their case thrown out of court. A contract is a contract, period.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (-1)
K. S. Kyosuke 7 hours ago
Or, people could just ditch those fakeputers.
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Re: Unless Epic published it in the Mac App Store.. (+1)
msauve 5 hours ago
"There is no way in hell apple cold [sic] stop Epic from publishing updates on their website."

Perhaps, but this isn't about that. Epic is trying to win users over to their side. I predict this will turn out to be a major backfire. They'll be cutting off paying customers, and those customers can't blame anyone but Epic.
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Apple has nothing to do with this (+2)
SuperKendall 5 hours ago
Fortnite is instilled on the Mac through Epic's own store, which you install outside the App Store.
Apple has absolutely nothing to do with Fortnite being disabled on the Mac, it's 100% on Epic.
This is where class action suites from users should start up...
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Re: Apple has nothing to do with this (+1)

Cmdln Daco 3 hours ago

Is 'Save the World' mode playable from the Fortnite Mac binaries that you can download for free from Epic? I only have 'Save the World' on my Windows system that I paid for directly from Epic and I never play the free version of Fortnite. Possibly did Epic utilize a 'paywall' on STW for the Mac by selling it on the App store?
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Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

installed, suits... drunk?
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Anonymous Coward an hour ago

"Sideloading" an Android app is as simple as tapping the apk and enabling unknown sources when prompted. It's not even "sideloading" since Android is designed to be open and allow users to control it, unlike anything from Crapple.
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LOL!
Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago
This just keeps on getting better! :D
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago

How? macs and games, two of the most irrelevant things in the universe.
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First streaming boxes now this (+1)
Malays2 bowman 7 hours ago
Seems like we are entering an era of "the new bad old days" where computing is heavily balkanized and one service/game won't run on certain boxes when there is no technical reason for it to be the case. Just because of some 'dispute'.
Do I miss the shitfest that was home computing/gaming in the early 1980s? Nope.
Do I want a return to those days? Nope.
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Anonymous Coward 22 minutes ago
It has been happening for a while now. Between console exclusivity agreements and the fact that game companies have a 0% piracy rate on consoles make those quite attractive to the game makers, coupled with "gamers" who are more than happy to pay ever-hiked prices for buggy content that requires multitudes of DLC and microtransactions, as well as forcing new console purchases every few years.
I have been hoping for another 1983 for the game industry, and a return to the PC, because a humble PC or Mac will run rings around any console out there. With we squarely in a Greater Depression, who is going to be spending the cash for these new consoles, the monthly fee to have access to the consoles, the game itself, the DLC, and all the other crap the console makers pile on.
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Re: First streaming boxes now this (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

" "gamers" who are more than happy to pay ever-hiked prices for buggy content that requires multitudes of DLC and microtransactions, as well as forcing new console purchases every few years.
I have been hoping for another 1983 for the game industry, and a return to the PC, "
I'm hoping that all of the bullshit crashes soon and there will be a return to sanity. Really, I do.
However the culture of 1983 is far different than what goes on now. I was around back then playing video games, but I often forget just how much had changed between the 80's and the 90's and now. People now had years of conditioning to accept and not even think about the stuff that would have gotten a company tarred and feathered back then.
Always on internet required DRM would've been unthinkable 20, 30 years ago but people now routinely deal with it and ask for more with their wallets. Loot boxes were unheard of outside the Evercrack community, though these were people selling their in game characters and accounts for real world money going against the company's TOS (IIRC).
The 80's and 90s were not without it's own bullshit such as nasty anti-copy floppy disk schemes that sometimes could knock the drive's head out of alignment, and hardware dongles for database programs and other high end software, but there was no constant phoning home to the man just to get the prog to start up either. And players didn;t have to keep their wallets open wide outside the arcade enviroment so Mario could see if the princess is in the next castle. Such nonsense which is acceptable now would have shuttered a company back then.
Computers were very expensive back then, and so was software. I'm talking months of salary expensive. They would never allow or tolerate the kind of routine abuse of today. Today, it's cheap throwaway junk and there isn't the kind of investment and incentive to protect it now vs back then.
Damn, I didn't mean to ramble, but the forces that caused the 1983 crash just don't exist this time around.
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The Internet has died. (-1)
Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago
(TrueScore: 4, Truthful)
This is what to expect from attempting to use the Internet as of 2020:
* As I loaded the page for my own question on Stack Exchange after a day or so, it said "0" for the votes. However, when I accidentally opened it in a different "sandbox", not logged in, it said "-2". I reloaded both pages again to make sure it wasn't some temporary glitch. In other words, they don't even let you see the correct number of votes anymore...
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* Countless web pages no longer even let me load them to passively consume their garbage content without displaying the CloudFlare mafia's nagscreen of death, with the Google reCAPTCHA spyware mocking you with its presence. I never even bother anymore. (Some sites don't even show that, and just flat-out block you with some nonsensical drivel about "security"...)
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* I keep getting locked out of accounts when companies start using Google's reCAPTCHA even for logging in. All attempts to contact the companies in question in order for them to have my account "whitelisted" from having to jump through these hoops have been unsuccessful. Google must track every single mouse click, and blocking it means you can't even attempt to get past their harassments...
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* I was told to use Telegram, so I went to their site, surprisingly found an actual desktop application, downloaded and ran it... only to be immediately told to "enter my phone number". No "dismiss" or "skip" button. Next course of action? Uninstall.
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* As a "nice" little Christmas present for 2019, I discovered that Instagram now demands an account and to be logged in to even just view profiles/photos at all! In other words, since Instagram (and all the other giants) consistently refuse all new accounts (unless you are fully tracked), it's no longer possible to use Instagram.
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* As with countless other "decentralized" things, I looked into The Federation / Fediverse. From their site: "we expect sites we list to have a humane code of conduct in place. Should sites who fail to ban content that can be found generally harmful, that node will be blocked from listing here." That makes no sense grammatically, but it continues: "Harmful content can be, but not limited to, malware, graphical material of minors, abusive images, hateful content, racist content and climate denialism." In other words, the whole thing is controlled by the exact same truth-suffocating, hateful scumbags as the centralized giants, rendering it utterly pointless.
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* PayPal are literally thieves. I had a very old account, with "Premium" (I believe that's what they called it) status even, which they one day locked me out of. No explanation. No responses whatsoever to my questions about what they were doing or why. Total, utter silence. They kept all of the money in the account and I could never again use it in any way. (To add insult to injury, they have kept sending me regular automated spam e-mails ever since.) Years later, when I tried to buy some software which happened to use PayPal as their card payment processor (that is, not their normal accounts), I was denied by their system because they had permanently banned my Visa card as well from ever making any transactions through their system...
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* The local auction site was bought by eBay a few years ago. I then tried to sell an item using my account created in 2003... only to be spat in the face with yet another "upload government photo ID to continue" message -- after I had spent hours upon hours creating and perfecting the description, photos, etc. For an account that was 10+ years old. With nothing but positive feedback on every transaction. I immediately ceased using it forever.
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* I created an account at Mixer (video streaming, hoping that it would suck less than Twitch). Much to my initial surprise, it actually did let me register, and even sent the activation e-mail whose link I followed. However, when trying to log in to the "created" account, it then lets you know that "This e-mail address isn't allowed". Not another word. Just that. As if it were the registration form.
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* I live in an alleged "First World" country. Every time I attempt to purchase an item from any other country, the Visa debit (not even credit) card payment is blocked with a random vague message such as "The transaction has been declined". I then have to manually log in to my bank's website, with the dongle, navigate through a maze of links (they actively block any attempt to bookmark any specific page), find an obscure feature called "allow insecure Internet payments for 60 minutes", click a bunch of times, and finally repeat the order. Now it appears to go through, but always displays an intermediate Visa page ("3-D Secure") where I'm forced to enter all kinds of numbers into my dongle and Internet bank. It varies slightly each time how exactly this is done. Then the order finally goes through. I get the normal "Thanks for your purchase!" confirmation e-mails, etc. However, after a little while, I get a new e-mail saying that "further verification is required" for the order to actually go through, and if I don't send a scanned photo ID within X days, the order will be automatically canceled...
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The conclusion? The Internet, and computers as we know them, are over. I see no signs pointing to a brighter future.
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Re: The Internet has died. (+1)
peragrin 7 hours ago
Wow you have the exact same visa card year s later? How do you get a card that doesn't expire?
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Epic is losing this one (+2)
mveloso 7 hours ago
They're losing a ton of money. By the time the case gets to court everyone would have forgotten Fortnite and will have moved on to other games.
This could be a case study on how do kill the golden goose.
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Re: Epic is losing this one (+1)
dgatwood 6 hours ago
They're making most of their money from their games on gaming consoles (like ~90%, IIRC). If they lose, they've lost at most 10% of their sales.
If they win, on the other hand, they'll either be able to reduce their prices by ~27% across all closed platforms (because this will be a pretty strong precedent that such behavior wouldn't be allowed on gaming consoles, either) or, at their option, increase their profit margin on those platforms by 39%. Even if they never get back a single one of those lost iOS and Mac customers, that's still on the order of a 3:1 reward to risk ratio.
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago

Since risk is likelihood * severity, I'd say Epic's suit just got a lot riskier. Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died.
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Re: Epic is losing this one (+1)
ArmoredDragon 3 hours ago
I doubt they're losing all that much. All of nobody is a serious gamer on a mac owing to the crappy GPU selection, so even if we assume a lot of players use Macs, it's unlikely they're big freemium spenders, which is what fortnight depends on. I can almost guarantee you that this skews heavily towards PC and console users.
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What's a mac?
gavron 6 hours ago
"What's a mac?" - Asked someone in 2022.
Bye Apple. You lost your live thief and your karma. Good luck, Tim Apple.
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Who cares? (+1)
times05 6 hours ago
Seriously though.... who buys an iphone to play 3d shooters?..... or a phone in general?
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Re: Who cares? (+1)
Rockoon 6 hours ago
Hey there.

So I see you giving your opinion on the matter of macOS and Apples desktops... by only referencing their phones.
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Good (+1)
presearch 6 hours ago
The game sucked anyway.
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Did Epic break Apple Developer Licence? (-1, Troll)
WhyArePeopleSoUnkind 5 hours ago
1. Epic knowingly and purposely broke their Licencing agreement with Apple.
2. Epic had a marketing campaign + lawyers at the ready.
3. There are better phones for gaming than Apple makes. https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/...
4. There are better computers for gaming than those that Apple currently make.
5. Security is not a joke.
6. Allowing random payment channels; is not good for control (but is great for competition)
7. Trojan malware libraries are not unheard of. example CamScanner, Xavier
8. I use Linux Mint on my Desktop
9. I have never played Fornite. my reflects are shocking.
10. I use an iPhone.
So what does this imply?
11. (1 + 2) -> Epic is not a trusted Apple Developer
12. (11 + 6)-> Libraries and services by Epic cannot be trusted on the Apple Platform.
13. (3 + 4 + 12) -> Epic makes lots of money elsewhere
Epic's Lawyer know what they are doing and they must be aware of all the implications.
I can't see how Epic will win this, Apple has more at stake than just the revenue.
But then again it is a crazy world, and all Epic's lawyer must have a game plan.
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Re: Did Epic break Apple Developer Licence? (+1)
DontBeAMoran 4 hours ago
9. I have never played Fornite. my reflects are shocking.
Well, stop looking at yourself in a mirror, then.
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Re: Did Epic break Apple Developer Licence? (+1)
NoMoreACs 2 hours ago
But then again it is a crazy world, and all Epic's lawyer must have a game plan.
Sure they do. It can be summed up in two words:
Billable Hours.
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Epic battles are profitable (+1)
WaffleMonster 5 hours ago
Epic is probably getting more users simply out of curiosity from people hearing in the news about the game and its role in legal fights with Apple and Google.
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Single vendor app store monopolies need to die.
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The fix is simple (+1)
nehumanuscrede 4 hours ago
Adhere to the rules you agreed to when you launched your game on Apples platform.
You don't get to grow your userbase to level X, then change the rules so you can cut out the very people who made your platform possible.
If you don't like those rules, make your own phones, write your own platform and do what you will.
Additionally, in the unlikely event Epic comes out on top of this, do you think they will allow 3rd parties to sell V-Bucks ( or whatever the currency is ) inside of Fortnite without paying Epic in the process ? Do you really think Epic would agree to the very thing they're demanding from Apple ?
I doubt it.
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Re: The fix is simple (+1)
h33t l4x0r 4 hours ago
The app store rules keep changing, so they are not the same rules they agreed to at launch. They changed this week.
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v1 3 hours ago
The rules that Epic violated have always been in the list. And they're not just little fine print buried near the bottom, these are huuuge bullet points that very clearly warn you that you will get the boot if you violate them.
And yes, Apple does update their terms somewhat often. And just like any wall of fine print you see when you install a game update, you scroll through the mindless fine print, check the box that says "I agree", and life goes on. Rarely is there anything in there that will affect you. (and when there is, someone usually spots it immediately, and there's a big media blowup about it for a few days before everyone forgets about it)
Epic thinks they're big enough to Alter The Deal, and are finding out the hard way that there are some people they have to do business with that are big enough that they won't just cave in and give Epic whatever they want. It's difficult to say for sure what it is that they really want out of this - maybe they just want some publicity? (they got it!) or to try to threaten Apple (unsuccessfully) with some bad press if they don't concede some special treatment? Or maybe they're trying to improve their image by looking like the David fighting Goliath? Only their lawyers know for sure!
I do like Apple, but honestly I don't care who's on the other end of the stick here. Could be Microsoft. Could be Amazon. Could be Google. Epic's just one of many big fish in a big pond, and playground bully tactics just aren't going to get them an easy victory here. (and that's assuming that's even what they want out of all this?)
I wonder if they're trying to take a page out of Venco's book (in Ironman), where after getting beat up, he says "you lose!" It doesn't seem to be going well for them if that was their goal? I guess time will tell.
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the_B0fh 3 hours ago
The part they disagree with, did it change? If not, then what the fuck are you smoking?

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Penny asked in Pregnancy & ParentingTeen & Preteen · 7 years ago
is it fair for my mum to lock me in my room as punishment if I sneak out when grounded ?
this weekend my mum is going to lock me in my bedroom with a key as a punishment this is because last weekend I was grounded for bad behaviour, skipping school etc I sneaked out the house and came home at 11pm my mum went mad and I told her to f--- off now my mum has said as I cant be trusted to stay in she has no choice but to lLOCK ME UP in my room ALL weekend no tv no phone etc I will have to eat in my room and will only be let out for bathroom breaks, apart from that my bedroom door will bw kept locked with a key at ALL times.
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being in your room is pretty cool. my cousin is still hiding in his closet
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In the US this is called false imprisonment a felony crime. You can not lock anyone in a room. If a fire breaks out etc. an escape route would be blocked also illegal.
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It's not fair for you to keep subjecting us to your punishment fetish. You are clearly a troll with a strange obsession with being locked in a room. You've been asking these same kinds of questions for months, maybe even a year.
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Let's back up to the point when you decided to be childish, irresponsible and bratty. THAT was when you ought to have thought of what's fair. Were you being fair? What followed your bad behavior is hardly a matter for discussion. You're on lock down, just like a prisoner, and all prisoners are innocent, to hear them tell it. Grow up.
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7 years ago
Yes. You broke the rules and now have to pay for it. She might feel that the road your going down will lead to you going to jail. Then you really will be locked up with nothing to do. Take what your mother is giving to you, be thankful she loves you, and straighten out.
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CSE
Lv 7
7 years ago
Sounds like a fair punishment given that you refused to accept punishment last time and swore at her when she called you on it.
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PlanB™
Lv 7
7 years ago
Yes!
Source(s): You're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy.
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Emma
7 years ago
That's fair enough
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Nina G
Lv 4
7 years ago
You deserved it. In the future don't treat her with such disrespect and she won't treat you with mistrust!
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Perseus
7 years ago
Woah woah WOAH missy!! you said to your mother WHAT?
Saying that she did the right thing, sorry
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Anonymous asked in Pregnancy & ParentingToddler & Preschooler · 9 years ago
my mum locked me in my bedroom for a whole day as a punishment is this fair ?
ok so my mum grounded me for general bad behavoiur i sneaked out when my mums back was turned i got brought home by my friends mum, my mum got really angry she said i had betrayed her trust and let her down very badly we had a row and i told her to f--- off the next day after breakfast my mum escorted to my room and locked me in, i spent all day locked in my room i was only allowed out to use the bathroom, i even had to eat in my room i wasnt allowed tv, phone stereo etc i think this is a cruel punishment what do other mums think ?
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9 years ago
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well for what you did yeah i would have done that as well its better than her hitting you i got harsh punishment as a child i got locked in my room the same way you did only for a week and for something i actually didnt do which they feel bad now but at the time thought it was the right thing to do. i also had to move a giant dirt pile from one said of the yard to the other in mid summer....sucked sooo bad but i learned my lesson. my dad was rather good at that stuff.... so no i dont see any wrong here and how the crap could you say such a thing to your mom? i wouldnt ever do that when i was a child...man kids now days...look i understand right now you find this to be stupid and you are feeling some hate but trust me one day you will look back when you have your own kids and your doing the same to them and say huh.... i actually get it...
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Lv 5
6 years ago
Under age drinking is a serious offense in some places. consider yourslef lucky that gotlocked in you room.
OH, I know. .the lure of getting drunk with your friends seems nice, until you encounter the vomit, t having no control and getting peed on and not remembering it...this is not fun believe me.
Do you know about alcohol poisoning?You can die from that. You knew what the punishment would be but decided to drink anyway, and if you had not done that, you wouldn't have been locked in your room.
I used to be your age. I hated i when my parents would punish me for disobeying them, butnow that I'm older, I understand why that happened. I had parents who looked out for my well-being, they loved and cared for me anddidn't want any harm to come my way. YOUr Mother is the same way. And she wants you to learn to be responsible. Try obeying her set of rules, and see what happens. Don't drink, Don't sneak out and then pout and do the poor me scene when you knew what the punishment would be for being caught. You could have ended up in a drunk tank with a stranger who could have raped you. That would be horrible. Try obeying the rules set out by your parent(s). You will , in time thank her for caring about your well-being. She wants you to live. not die making a fool of yourself.
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xK
Lv 7
9 years ago
You betrayed her trust and swore at her ... that sounds like decent punishment to me. You could have been arrested after sneaking out, and I assure you, spending the day in your room is much better than spending the day in a jail cell.
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Amy's avatar
Amy
5 years ago
That wasn't punishment enough. My daughter 4 got loud on her substitute teacher in she was whooped and grounded for 5 days. No tv, toys, tablet or good food. Just plain food.
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primavera
Lv 4
4 years ago
in the starting up i'm purely 17 and not a make sure, yet i guard my 10 twelve months previous brother and 14 twelve months previous sister a good number of the time as our mom has to paintings a lot. for my section your mom did have the right to punish you the way she did. i don't think of i'd have lengthy gone so some distance as locking you on your room yet i'd absolutely have made you spend the day on your room and not allowed you to have your telephone or watch television or go on the computing device. i don't think of your punishment would were so undesirable in case you've been being punished for only sneaking out notwithstanding the actual shown reality that you swore at your mom made the punishment worse. also, you're complaining that you're too previous to be locked on your room as a punishment, honestly you're too previous to be sneaking out. you're 14 no longer 8, i'm particular in case you had only requested your mom in case you need to go out for slightly and informed her the position you've been going she would have allowed you to head. the purely reason i'm able to work out on your mom punishing you for sneaking out is that she had no theory the position you had lengthy gone or how lengthy you've been lengthy gone for and no theory once you'd be back. She become only hectic about you. you won't be able to precisely whinge both as she wasn't doing some thing which will be risky to you, you stated your self she assist you to visit the lavatory and also you had to devour on your room. i imagine she had the right, as your mom, to punish you the way she did. contained in the destiny only ask until eventually now you go out, and if you're not to any extent further polite sufficient to ask permission a minimum of tell her that you're going out and once you anticipate to be back. you're 14 and so deserve some freedom, yet collectively you need to earn that freedom. also, i don't think of your sister must have in contact herself because it is not some thing to do including her extremely.
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alyssa
9 years ago
sad to say that is nothing close to cruel punishment. when i wasnt a mother myself, i got whooped with extinsion cords, tree branches, braided belts, paddles, wire hangers, all kind of things. cruel is getting whooped for two hours non stop. i wish mymomma would have just locked me in my room. we (my family) never got grounded but when we messed up our butts were turned purple. black, and blue. so which would u rather have?
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naelyon2005
9 years ago
That's nowhere close to cruel. Your lucky you weren't made to regrade a driveway or something after taking a beating with a switch.
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Delia
Lv 7
9 years ago
Stop being a jerk to your mom and you won't have this problem. She fed you and allowed you to use the toilet. There was no abuse or neglect. So, she was within her rights as a parent. Hopefully you learned your lesson.
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Kaylee
9 years ago
no not cruel at all. my parents would never do that to me, maybe ground me. but she fed you and let you use the bathroom, and you were very disrespectful to her.
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Really?
Lv 6
9 years ago
not being able to use the bathroom is not OK...
other than that, totally appropriate punishment
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Anonymous asked in Pregnancy & ParentingAdolescent · 9 years ago
my mum locked my in my bedroom for a whole day as a punishment do you think this is fair ?
i got grounded for one day for general bad behaviour when my mum was in the shower i sneaked out when i came home 4 hours later my mum said how upset she was with my behaviour we had a row and i told my mum to p---off the next day saturday after breakfast my mum escorted me to my bedroom and locked me in i wasnt allowed tv, phone or computer, i was only allowed out to use the bathroom and i had to eat in my room i
my bedroom door was locked with a key and as my bedroom is 2 floors up escape was impossible my goody 2 sister says i desrve my punishment i think 14 is too old to be locked in my room what do sensible parents think ?
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9 years ago
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How are you posting this then? Lol. But anyway, as long as she gives you food, water, and lets you go to the bathroom, you should be fine. Sneaking out for 4 hours, this might seem harsh but I understand your mom's frustration.
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Willow
9 years ago
Firstly I'm only 17 and not a parent, but I look after my 10 year old brother and 14 year old sister a lot of the time as our Mom has to work so much.
In my opinion your mom did have the right to punish you the way she did. I don't think I would have gone as far as locking you in your room but I would definitely have made you spend the day in your room and not allowed you to have your phone or watch TV or go on the computer.
I don't think your punishment would have been so bad if you were being punished for just sneaking out but the fact that you swore at your mom made the punishment worse. Also, you are complaining that you are too old to be locked in your room as a punishment, surely you are too old to be sneaking out. You are 14 not 8, I'm sure if you had just asked your mom if you could go out for a bit and told her where you were going she would have allowed you to go.
The only reason I can see for your mom punishing you for sneaking out is that she had no idea where you had gone or how long you had been gone for and no idea when you would be back. She was simply worried about you.
You can't exactly complain either as she wasn't doing anything that could be harmful to you, you said yourself she let you go to the bathroom and you had to eat in your room.
I think she had the right, as your mom, to punish you the way she did. In the future just ask before you go out, and if you aren't polite enough to ask permission at least tell her that you are going out and when you expect to be back. You are 14 and so deserve some freedom, but at the same time you have to earn that freedom.
Also, I don't think your sister should have involved herself as it is nothing to do with her really.
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malaysia
5 years ago
Wow you are getting locked up all the time! Maybe you get horny everytime you hear the lock click in the door and do stuff on purpose to get locked up?
How about throwing a brick through a shop window and waiting there for the cops to come so you can be locked up 24/7? I bet you would really love that!
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Anonymous
9 years ago
Yes it was fair. You sneaked out of the house when you know you weren't supposed to and you cussed at your mom. You are lucky you got off so easy. I would have been literally beaten black and blue and possibly have been forced to throw all my stuff in a bonfire again, like when I was 9 and got a freaking B in math and was forced to throw all my toys into a fire that my stepdad made out in the yard.
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Dancerr
Lv 5
9 years ago
Its not right to be locked in a room because of health and safety issues there could have been a fire and you would of had no way to escape. Being grounded and not being allowed to use phone/computer/Tv would have been a fairer punishment.
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Penny
6 years ago
you were grounded for bad behaviour , you then went behind your mums back and sneaked out, this is unacceptable behaviour , good on your mum for locking you up you DESERVE this punishment and more,
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chaddad67
Lv 5
9 years ago
Why sneak out unless you were doing something that you weren't supposed to be doing?
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♎Total Libra♎
Lv 5
9 years ago
If she took away all of your technology privileges, then how were you able to post this?
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jellocello
9 years ago
yes that is definately unreasonable but considering what you did no offense I can see how mad/hurt she would be. watch your language next time ok
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?
Lv 5
9 years ago
parents are always right since they gave birth to you you UNGRATEFUL BRAT,and SNEAKING out is also too childish for 14yr old kid u BRATT
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Anonymous
6 years ago
its was fair
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9 years ago
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Anonymous asked in Pregnancy & ParentingTeen & Preteen · 9 years ago
my mum has started to lock me in my room because i always sneak out when grounded is this right?
i must admit i am always in trouble, skipping school staying out late and underage drinking ( i am 14 ) when my mum grounds me at weekends i ALWAYS sneak out.
now when i misbehave my mum locks me in my room as punishment, my bedroom door is locked with a key so now i cant SNEAK OUT i am not allowed tv phone etc,
my mum has said i will be spending ALL of easter weekend 4 days locked in my bedroom because i sneaked out last weekeend while grounded, came home drunk at 1 am , had a row with my mum and told her to f--- off, now i am going to be locked up in my room for the whole weekend, i will have to write essays and boring schoolwork.
can any mums give me advice ? i dont want to be punished and i dont ant to be caged up in my room its NOT fair how can i keep my freedom ?
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9 years ago
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I know it doesn't seem fair to you now and you feel like you are losing your freedom etc. However, being a mother myself I can understand the logic behind your moms actions. It is only out of pure love and worry for our children that we will use such extreme measures particularly if it means protecting our children from doing things that could cause serious harm.
If you want to regain your freedom you really need to knuckle down and get on with your school work. Show your mom that you love, respect and appreciate her decisions no matter how unfair it is at the time but most of all stop sneaking out and getting drunk. I am not saying that you can't be an individual and be yourself what I am saying is that there are better ways to achieve this rather than telling your mom to f--- off and rebelling. This wont achieve anything except cause your mom and yourself a lot of emotional pain.
Show your mom that you can be a responsible and respectable teenager and maybe when you and your mom have discussed any issues you have regarding school and your relationship with your mom only then will your relationship with your mom begin to heal and repair itself. This is going to be a long and slow journey but just remember that you are always loved regardless of your actions.
Good luck and take care of yourself
Source(s): Mom of a 15 year old daughter
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Penny's avatar
Penny
6 years ago
being grounded means NOT being allowed to go out, as you disobeyed your mum and sneaked out , she has every right to lock you in your bedroom, of course you don't like it its a PUNISHMENT.
your behaviour is totally UNACCEPTABLE good on your mum for punishing you corrctly
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Jesssss!
9 years ago
All is fair in love and war, right?
Your mum loves you, wants to protect you. This is for your own safety, it's not just a punishment.
You know exactly what you did wrong anyway, you just wrote it above. Also, if you'r e not allowed your phone,tv and 'etc' how did you even writing this locked in your room?
It's not rocket science, behave yourself + think about what you've done wrong+ don't do it again.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
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cassakane
Lv 6
9 years ago
This is absolutely fair. Fair does not mean getting what you want, fair means getting what is necessary. Obviously, if you can't keep yourself in the house when you are grounded, you need to be locked in your room. Try improving your behavior so that you don't get grounded next time.
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Anonymous
6 years ago
sit in your room and suffer , you deserve this punishment, remember the golden rule BAD BEHAVOIUR== PUNISHMENT
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Vanessa♥.
Lv 6
9 years ago
How about stop trying to revolt & stay in the house when your suppose to!? Your mom loves you & if she has to resort to locking you in the room, you know shes hurt & doesn't wannna send her child away! So act your age & focus on school.
Source(s): im 16 & i was same as you.the outcome was i got pregnant, I had a daughter & if she ever did this, i'd cry & wouldn't know what to do with her.
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UnderMyHoodie
9 years ago
Stop sneaking out, and improve your behavior. She's just doing that so you can realize you're doing wrong and she wants you to do better
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Alma's avatar
Alma
9 years ago
Omg u drink wow your mom is right to lock u in your room omg u need help !! U tAlk to her tho!!! Good luck!
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Mushishi
9 years ago
I feel ya. I'm locked in my room too:P But hey, at least you have the internet:P
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that girl:)
Lv 4
9 years ago
just dont sneak out, misbehave, or skip school. its that simple. when shes happy you're happy.
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Bliss
9 years ago
Be a better child....my mom does it all the time and im still alive....btw your gonna die young
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Anonymous
9 years ago
stop sneaking out then, problem solved.
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Anonymous asked in Pregnancy & ParentingOther - Pregnancy & Parenting · 9 years ago
a question for teenage mums, whats a fair punishment for what i have done ?
whenever my mum trys to ground me i always sneak out, now my mum has put a lock on my bedroom door that can only be locked or unlocked with a key.
yesterday my mum got a letter from my school about my bad behaviour i lost my temper and told my mum to f--- off, my mum said she has had enough of my attitude and said i will be spending the whole weekend locked in my bedroom as punishment, i can"t stand being locked in so i have said i am sorry to my mum so i can escape lockdown, but she wont budge and said i will be locked up and thats that.
so all i am trying to do is see if i can get my mum to go easy on my lockdown punishment,
perhaps cut it done to just 1 day or even half a day, what are your opinions kind mums only please ?
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9 years ago
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You have given your mom no choice but to take more serious actions for your behavior. If you don't want to get locked down, then you need to change your attitude and your actions. You are in control of your behaviors and actions, it is your mom's responsibility to make sure you are protected but you are making it impossible for her to trust you. Change your ways before it is too late for you and you wind up at a home for troubled teens. You are very lucky to have a mom who cares enough about you to stick to her guns and keep her word about your punishment. Try to show a little more respect for her and your school and you won't have to worry about being punished again. Being rebellious can only result in you getting into more trouble and I can promise you, it won't be worth it in the long run.
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Brittany
9 years ago
Honestly you've blown your chances your mom has tried to just ground you and you choose to sneak out...so she has had to resort to locking you in, my advice is to face the punishment (that is a consequence to your actions) then work on your behavior don't tell your mom to f off that is crushing to a parent all they want (truly) is the best for their children and by your mom sticking by her punishment is her doing her best by you (even though is sucks at the time) So....treat your mom like the wonderful loving mom she is and remember that it is more stressful for her when you act up than you think! Don't do something that you'll look back on a regret!
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Anonymous
9 years ago
look, we have to be tough on teens cos we know what the worlds like and you're just finding out.
My daughter snuck out one night and went off. She came back and I wouldn't have known but this man came to my door and said that he had seen her sneaking around and she was so lucky cos he thought at first she was an intruder and he was going to whack her but then he realised who it was. So, not safe!!!
Do as your mom says. Accept punishment, and learn from it!!! Why are you behaving so bad? Ask if you can see the school psychologist and get your life sorted before something really bad happens.
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Penny
7 years ago
good on your mum for giving you a rightly deserved punishment, you cant just sneak out when grounded, now you have giving your mum NO choice but to lock you in your room, sorry but you deserve to be locked up and punished,
NO SYMAPTHY enjoy prison ha ha
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claim is that the company culture I experienced at the time was not at all tolerant of any sexist crap above board, at all. So if someone had that sort of attitude, they could have had it privately - or maybe harassed their immediate surroundings. Which is plenty bad enough, don't get me wrong. Sexism, and sexual harassment, are huge no-nos in any educated culture.
But implicit in the corporate culture, this was absolutely not. On the contrary, and this is something I can speak for. If all you can see is very much against sexism during your entire time there, and no such things ever happen on company time... and many years later, there are articles in the media scandalising the very same company... then I call bullshit on this.
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gweihir a day ago
That was a general account of the culture. And that account says no rampant or general sexism, just some individual one. You find that in any group large enough and there is not way for a company to completely suppress it.
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MightyMartian 11 hours ago
Sure there is. You create a reporting structure that allows victims to feel confident when they have to report someone harassing them. You have policies that make clear disciplinary action up to and including dismissal will arise from harassment. And you follow through. You'll never stop some self entitled jerk from harassing people, but you sure the hell can show him the door
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Rockoon a day ago
Facts dont matter in these cases. A woman is making a distress call. Thats the only fact that matters, because men are biologically wired to defend women, and women are biologically wired to exploit that defense.
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gweihir a day ago
Well, sophisticated people of all genders manage to overcome this biological conditioning and also refrain from exploiting it. Unfortunately, most of the human race never makes it to that level (or do not have it from birth, depending on your model of existence).
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Rick Schumann a day ago
Bullshit.
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Anonymous Coward a day ago
Maybe they should have a game called "Whack the incel"
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AmiMoJo 15 hours ago
Facts very much matter and TVNZ was able to independently verify some of the claims, like the porn mailing list. There is very likely to be ample evidence if people were emailing porn around, or organizing "Porn Friday".
So perhaps instead of just making some bullshit claims about the nature of male/female roles in modern society you could perhaps criticise the content of the article or defend this behaviour.
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Rick Schumann 5 hours ago
You're a misogynistic jackass.
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Anonymous Coward a day ago
Hey, I think I worked there with you, upgrading & tuning the rendering system!
Every week we'd put in maximum effort, then each Friday we'd send out the test renders of bare assets. Almost everyone seemed quite pleased with the results.
I really don't get it.
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javaman235 20 hours ago
Are these the people who brought us scrotum chin the troll king?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V-n_...
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Anonymous Coward 12 hours ago
The complainer was probably a woman (with maybe some soy boy idiot backing her up 'cos he thinks she will touch his pee pee).
Focused, hard work... are not qualities you get with female employees.
You may get some early female employees who are committed the actual purpose of the organisation, but the ones who come after them are ALWAYS a) mediocre quota hires b) know they are and bitter about it c) entitled.
The result is, after a few years, they have tried to 'assassinate' men in important roles with bullshit allegations, and demanded all the rules/benefit packages be rewritten to suit them. The company/organisation then becomes a support mechanism for women... and its original purpose is lost - and it's about this point that the men start to leave.
You see it in every company over time
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MightyMartian 11 hours ago
I know you can't get laid. Do you ever wonder why?
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Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago
What's her name, champ?
Did you show her your post... eagerly hoping she'd approve?
You know she's never going to fuck you, right...
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PPH 8 hours ago
I never met a more focused bunch of nerds in my life before.

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In fact, I've been to few places with a less sexist and more professional workplace atmosphere before.
I suspect that the goal driven culture drives people to set aside their outside of work petty differences. And the flip side of this is that employees with too much time on their hands and no goal-driven focus tend to get involved in much more divisive social and political debating and divisiveness on the job. Facebook's solution may not be the answer. As they will still have too much spare time and think they were hired to be the social conscience of the company. They simply need to walk a lot of these people to the door.
It's not just left wing ideologies that cause trouble. When I was at Boeing, we had quite a few people that did marginal amounts of work but thought that their life mission was to spread the word of Jesus around the company.
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Arzaboa a day ago
People spend over half of their lives at the office. For most people their entire lives consist of going to work and then going home to just barely take care of their lives. People are constantly told, "Don't discuss politics. Don't discuss sex. Don't discuss your private life. Don't develop an attraction to anyone you spend your waking lives with here.", all while they spend the majority of their lives in these places.
Because it's a workplace and people need jobs and money, people can't just up and leave. Instead of everyone being tolerant and open minded and dealing with being uncomfortable, we end up with companies banning everything that could possibly upset anyone. Because everyone is fighting for more control over their daily lives, more pay, and more power, the only way to progress is to put your head down and never never act outside whatever "the norm" is or you'll be removed from the "team." Act human and you'll be removed as polite society has decided that sex isn't normal, other people are the only ones with "issues", and if you have any personal issues you can't hide you clearly have something wrong with you. Working in these environments becomes an exercise in pretending and acting. Opinions and politics are not for employees, you can do that when you are not an employee or dead.
It would be so nice to hear one day about a diverse group of people that worked together that was able to deal with everyone else's reality. Hell, this might even lead to more employment and less depression. Instead it's all about power plays, throwing each other under the bus, and complaining that "If not for X, I'd be further in my career!"
In the end it's all about presenting to the least tolerant people. Where does that get you? Well, it gets you here.
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Radio Korea on fm subcarrier...

Possibly being used as an uplink between that station and the tower? Normally they use a microwave signal

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Matt
cool did not even know about this FM subcarrier stuff
3 years ago
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Jasey Like noodles
I found this channel and I love it and me being only 15 I've now set off to tinkering with things #InsporationalShango
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fred fabris
Seems to me that possibly the performance sucks because it was tweeked originally for the one specific limited station??
3 years ago
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ScotTex83
Who else was singing along to Margaritaeville?
3 years ago
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Igor Peruchi
Big thanks for another great video, Shango!
3 years ago
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PC No
9:00 I wonder if all those parts they added to the bottom of the board with heat shrink tubing were part of the modification; seems a little hack for a stock radio. Anyway, I'd think that that alone could pick up enough noise and cross talk to compromise the performance.
3 years ago
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Papi Uuhmelmehahay
This answers a question I've had for 42 years: what the heck was that station I heard when I was a kid that I could never find on the stereo in the living room.
3 years ago
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Robert Hardwick
The first one Ive ever seen was on Radio ,Phono Nut.Thanks for Explaning how it works!
3 years ago
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Rob Calhoun
Your description of sub carrier broadcasting is pretty accurate.
3 years ago
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dynamic881964
Very interesting stuff Shango066 ! Please keep 'em coming ! D in Michigan
3 years ago
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Walt's Channel
Really great video. Yes, enjoyable!! Thank you for the research on subcarrier tech. That was very interesting.
3 years ago
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Craig Nehring
Good to get a Monday Shang066 fix... Thank you for the video
3 years ago
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Mr. Shyster
Interesting, learned something new. Thanks for sharing!
3 years ago


North-Hankspin
such a cute range of variations
3 years ago
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GROUP GALAXY Entertainment
That is the first time I heard that Talking Heads song on the radio
2 years ago
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Clive
RDS is transmitted on WFM subcarriers these days me old mate.
3 years ago
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wifi404
Thanks for another intriguing video!!!!
3 years ago


Tony Fleetwood
thanks to you i found out about unforgettable la ( i live in connecticut but they let you listen online ) its just a shame that the good stations in your area are still outnumbered 20 to 1
3 years ago
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tsevetgestoorde
Yesss a video thanks!!!
3 years ago


circuit blog
nice work my freind good job
3 years ago
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Dan van voorst
cool stuff enjoyed the video!
3 years ago


Manchild Addventures
good stuff
3 years ago


Pecan pie
Its a sweet radio but has a lot of hash. Are you going to recap it in a follow-up vid
3 years ago
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Rick Johnson
Good to see your still out there shango
3 years ago (edited)


Danish Native
Remember all that lo-fi Muzak and elevator music? The cluster I worked for turned off all sub-carriers 20 years ago. No more $ in it. For a while it was also used for distributing stock market data locally.
3 years ago
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Jim E
Our subcarriers read Wall street Journal, Barons and Readers Digest too
3 years ago


fred fabris
I look forward to your videos
3 years ago


Average Joe
AFC wonky? dunno, well beyond my knowledge.
3 years ago


cat 11
I thought SCA was used to broadcast background music for restaurants and stores.
1 year ago
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Walter Reyes Productions
It used to
7 months ago


Jim E
hardest part is finding a Yaesu at a reasonable price
3 years ago


Marc C
I connected my HF receiver to the discriminator/4CH adapter output of an older stereo receiver, that works quite well.
3 years ago


Jim E
Or maybe IRRL?
3 years ago


DriveInFreak
Wouldn't a wider ( or lack of) ceramic filter open it up enough to pass the high frequency?
3 years ago


audubon5425
Can I buy your fingerprints?
3 years ago


ke4mcl
Got that same educating radio, sounds just as lousy.
1 year ago


gravis346
I wonder if the radio dial is hidden behind that logo?
2 years ago


Jim E
or mebbe its the speaker wires from the FM into the s/w..... been a hundred years ago. go check back issues of the swl ers mag from the eighties
3 years ago


City Spiders
I think this is interesting. I dunno if any stations openly advertise the sub carrier thing or not; unless it is merely transmitted so it can be put onto a web audio podcast perhaps?
3 years ago


DriveInFreak
Very strange FM dial on that one. I don't think I've ever seen another one with the 9s and 10s marked bigger (i.e. NINETY two MC).
That's right up there with those dime store radios that split the AM dial into two (fake) bands split at 1100 KHz...below 1100 "AM", and above "Sports"...for some reason.
..or that Zenith AM/FM portable from the '60s that has an FM dial that goes up to 109.
3 years ago


Corinna T Roberts76
Did a search on eBay for this using the model number & nothing!
3 years ago


jake michael
This channel is the best!!! well I have played with the decoding of subcarriers , but I modified a standerd FM receiver. what I did was took the demodulated FM audio before it was filtered ,and feed it to a communications receiver that could tune down to 30 KC!! so in a nutshell you tune the FM band on the Fm receiver, then the demodulated audio before the audio is filtered,is tuned in on the communications receiver. so their is probably a small long wave receiver inside the subcarrier receiver radio. all so the audio is FM in the subcarrier band but their could be different modulation types!! the cool thing using this method is you can really explore the FM band subcarriers and, listen to the mane channel audio at the same time!! so I would take a guess that the subcarrier radio you have has poor filtering. well keep up with the cool electronics and cool left coast stuff as this stuff is getting rare by the second!!
3 years ago


Ross Man
Shango, loved this video, would you please look into the past of Heath Kit electronic kits. America has given away to the Chinese and only slaves of their population build electronics. I grew up with so many kits that an American Company could offer to teens my age at the time to discover and find hope in lifetime job in a America. I did, worked for Polaroid Corp. for 24 years until Dr. Land became so frustrated with how is investors were treating his company....I met Dr land, really great man.
3 years ago


mjg263
Very interesting video. I saw radio-tv-phono nut's video on that subcarrier receiver a while ago and I wondered what it's original purpose was, also wondered what radio the whole thing was built around. I'm sure it's all done on HD radio now but fascinating what they were able to do with the available technology at the time (even though it wasn't all that long ago to me). Great follow up, thank you!
3 years ago


Peter Atkinson
The null part of the FM signal may be it being heard in the AM mode. That would be a cheap way to get the 5KHz bandwidth. The extremely narrow bandwidth may also account for the crappy FM audio. They may have bypassed the radio's standard FM circuitry.
3 years ago


Jim E
don't over complicate it Shango
3 years ago


Ron Thompson
I take it sub carriers aren't a thin t any more right?
2 years ago


HECKTOR andersson
yaay
3 years ago


Scott Diburro
I thought sub stations are hd radio
3 years ago


Godfrey Poon
This system is clearly for transmitting the secret instructions to finally capture Pearl Harbor.
3 years ago
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Chris's Tech TV
I think they tap the discriminator output before any filtering for the subcarrier demodulator. there were kits you could buy to receiver the subcarrier channels at one time.

3 years ago
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klafong1
That is exactly what they do. The 1984 Radio Shack Semiconductor Reference Guide shows a schematic and description of a decoder using the LM565 PLL. There is also a 1987 issue of Radio Electronics with schematics for a complete SCA receiver, as well as theory of operation.
3 years ago
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Kane Seven
Pay to listen to stations with non stop music no adverts
1 week ago


RODALCO2007
Your commentary is fabulous ! man you are the King in radio & TV repair and diagnosis.
3 years ago
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Jim E
Usually a sub carrier on an FM broadcast. NPR is a good place to start, but any FM channel could have a subcarrier
3 years ago


HPad
I'm guessing a subcarrier could be picked up with an SDR?
3 years ago (edited)
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ElfNet Designs
YES but you need to run SDR# and HDSDR to do it, its a convoluted process but it can be done.
3 years ago
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HPad
ElfNet Gaming yeah I use SDR#
3 years ago


ElfNet Designs
Yeah there are tutorials on how to do it, I have done it once and found a few subcarriers in my area.
3 years ago


drussell
"In both monaural and stereo FM transmission, some stations also include "storecasting" or SCA (subsidiary carrier assignment) information. The SCA modulation extends from 60 kHz to 74 kHz, with a center subcarrier frequency of 67 kHz, the SCA signal must be removed, or "trapped" in a stereo FM receiver since it would interfere with the operation of the stereo detector circuit. A "swishing" sound will be heard in the receiver if the SCA signal is not removed. The SCA is removed from the decoder by a band-elimination filter or by a low-pass filter. Only frequencies below 53 kHz are permitted to pass through the decoder circuit."

It then goes on to show a diagram of the "Total signal spectrum that can be transmitted by an FM stereo station" showing 0-15 being "L+R", 19 being the 1 kHz pilot tone, 23-38-53 being the upper and lower sidebands around the 38 kHz suppressed subcarrier carrying the "L-R" in each sideband then the 60-74 kHz range for the SCA.

This is from an old RCA's "Solid State Servicing" that I happened to have handy.

Also, as mentioned by another commenter above, Is there not some relatively easy way of pulling a signal like this off of a modern digital tuned amateur radio somehow or do you really need an SDR?
3 years ago
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uxwbill
Seemingly there is at least one amateur radio receiver that can be "tricked" into tuning SCA programs, the Icom R-71A with its optional FM board. I'd not be surprised if there were others.

Decoding SCA on an SDR is fiddly, but it can be done if you're willing.
3 years ago
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Chet Pomeroy
I believe this is referred to as an "SCA" receiver. These had been in use for decades, and were often used as a source of music on the overheads/intercoms of retailers, as well as being piped to the inside of elevators. The audio on NTSC television broadcasts had something quite similar to that, called SAP, which was intended for translation into a language different from the one spoken on the main audio carrier, and it was also intended for the blind/sight-impaired. (That AM/FM radio looks like it's from the post-CONELRAD era, probably 1967-68.)
3 years ago (edited)


maximborn23
radiotvphononut's subcarrier had revisions for a dial and dialstring, and even a tuning knob i believe, just like the model you showed. Very cool!

3 years ago (edited)
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MisterTalkingMachine
From what I get, they take an existing FM station and then they modulate the amplitude of it. Normal FM receivers won't tell the difference. It appears it may be as simple as having a wide band AM radio tuned to the FM bands.
3 years ago


50sTransistorRadios
It's nice to finally see the Sylvania AM/FM radio the Educasting radio was made from. I have a few of these Educasting radios as well, but I don't remember them being poor performers, so I will have to dig one up to check.
3 years ago
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shango066
I fixed it, one of the detector diodes was open. Its really good now
5 months ago
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50sTransistorRadios
@shango066 It's good you got it working right again. If I can find an example of that Sylvania consumer model, I plan to Frankenstein it together with the Educasting radio, to get a full-featured AM/FM/subcarrier radio.
5 months ago


SPACE TRUCKER
PRN..........physicians radio network.
2 years ago
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ModMokkaMatti
PRN = pompous republicrat narcissist..
1 year ago


Jim E
If you poke the fm antennae from an fm radio into the antennae jack on a s/w reciever that recieves under 100 khz then tune around on both bands. Takes some farting around, but you might find somebody reading Readers Digest
3 years ago


Robert Johnson
To answer your question on station id at the top of the hour the answer is no. Id is made on FM and the Broadcast Liscence for the station would show the authorization to broadcast the SCA but no call letters. In the case of our network using KROC, that audio was propagated thru 8 - 10 stations. Remember however this was in the 70's rules and regulations may have changed. A better test for any stations still using SCA is to get the McMartin tre5 unit, on the board is a connection to put detector out from a FM receiver and feed the signal into the tre5. Then you can tune thru the band while the tre5 is detecting the sca. I had it connected to my truck radio so as I was going to stations to work on the equipment i could verify it sounded fine, or check which station would give the best reception at a grain elevator I had to hook up. Love your videos, brings back old memories.

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3 years ago
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klafong1
The FCC specifies the maximum SCA subcarrier injection level, but they do not specifically call out the modulation format. In practice, FM with about +/-5 kHz peak deviation is used.

Years ago, I experimented on and off with SCA reception. I tried

1) LM565 PLL IC; these suffered from heterodynes (as this receiver does, if one listens closely). The main channel crosstalk was annoying.

2) Narrowband FM IC from a discarded cordless phone. The on-chip mixer was used to up-convert the SCA subcarrier to 455 kHz. This decoder did not have the heterodyne issues associated with PLL decoders, however, I was not happy with the main channel crosstalk.

Then, somebody on a USENET newsgroup explained to me how persnickety SCA can be. For professional quality results, one needs a wide IF bandwidth (340 kHz, if one wants to receive the 92 kHz subcarrier), a very linear composite FM detector (dual-tuned, not the more common single-tuned configuration), and multipath-free reception. When Muzak was on SCA, the restaurants and businesses that used the service had a four or five element Yagi on the roof, even in very strong signal areas.

I have also heard AM stations simulcast on SCA. It is possible that the SCA channel is being used as a cue channel, and during a remote broadcast, the talent would be able to use it to hear the board operator at the main studio.
3 years ago
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Jim E
Or a Drake for that matter
3 years ago


NJRoadfan
A company called Metrosonix based out of Bayonne, NJ exclusively sells SCA FM radios. VWestlife did a video on one of their retail radios (with a channel sweep of the NYC market stations) and a custom built single frequency receiver.
3 years ago
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thehappylittlefox aka benji
are these anything like the Russian cable radio ?
3 years ago
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Catswhiskerdetector
That's also really interesting. the first channel is just audio but the other channels are AM. I remember walking around Kyiv and being able to hear the 60/120khz 2nd and 3rd channels on a longwave radio being radiated by the overhead cables
3 years ago
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maxhifi 123
Not aside from the appearance of the receiver.
3 years ago


Bob Weiss
Subcarriers are still in use in the NYC area. WBAI (a public radio station owned by the same network that owns KPFK) carries religious content on their subcarrier channels.

Renting out the SCA channels is an extra source of reliable income for perennially cash-strapped public radio stations.
3 years ago (edited)


Quantum Leap
Hi Shango066 I built a subcarrier demodulator back in 1967. There were three FM stations using 67 kHz subcarriers back then. All of them were Muzak type of broadcasts. Not exactly top-40 fare. but nice to listen to when you just wanted background music (noise?). Thanks for the video.
3 years ago


Scott Diburro
You can pick up hd radio on it you are saying
3 years ago
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maximborn23
Scott Diburro it's too old to pick up HD stations on it, besides, its mono.
3 years ago


davek12
I'm sure that any station which is broadcasting a subcarrier signal would also run that same program on one of their HD channels, too. You're probably right, in a way.
3 years ago

Travis Parker
Yes but it can't decode it. Subcarrier 3 on that one station sure sounded like a data stream.
3 years ago


Stephen Hinkle
Travis Parker Yes I suspect that was likely an HDRadio stream but you need a decoder capable of deciding the digital signal to receive it.
3 years ago


Jim E
Even my crappy Grundig cost $400
3 years ago
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Monica Opper
SO TAKE IT BACK TO THE STORE
3 years ago


Jim E
Y you yell? Just sayin' that a China Yeasu is better than a China Grundig. Yeasu costs northwards of $1000
3 years ago


Jim E
And the Yeasu tunes below 100 khz.... Grundig, not so much. Plus, why would the Germans with their impeccable craftsmanship farm out work to China?
3 years ago


Jim E
It's like saying "Telefunken, Now with cheapass Chinese build quality" I would not get a better Grundig unless I bought a sixties model. And I don't care enough about subcarriers to go there. Question remains. Y yell?
3 years ago
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Apex Gemini
Christ, the sub carrier bands are now used by coyotes to tell illegals which border stations are easiest and what fence holes are unguarded at any given time. They probably get CA government funding.
2 years ago
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RF Burns
Actually, the subcarrier is FM. The modulation index is low (not much more than 1.1), making the noise immunity not much better than AM. That and the fact that the subcarrier is so far away from the main carrier (67 - 92 Kc), is why the signal is usually noisy without an outside antenna.

The baseband signal from the ratio detector when tuned a stereo station with one subcarrier will contain L+R (50cy - 15Kc) @ 70%, the 19Kc pilot tone @ 10%, the 38kc double sideband suppressed subcarrier (which is AM - w/o the carrier - it occupies 23 - 53kc) @ 10%, and lastly the FM subcarrier at 67, 72, 88, or 92 Kc @ 10% - for a total of 100% modulation.
3 years ago (edited)


sirmugman
russain radio's? gasp! maybe that's how they talked to trumppy pumppy in the eletrcions you have to buy one of these radio's a say "my mother makes the best radioactive cakes in russia" and you get a extra channel that lets you wire up to russia's presedent, or is it just me in the tinfoil helmit?
3 years ago
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Walt's Channel
sirmugman Hahaha, "radioactive cakes" indeed!!!
3 years ago
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Jim E
I heard that wrapping your house with chicken wire is better than a tinfoil hat. Don't go outside though ;)
3 years ago
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John Howard
trump lives rent free . . .
1 year ago


ModMokkaMatti
@John Howard we're all paying for the orange-a-tang to live, and it's too high of a bill.
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Don't watch Dragonball Z while on Flakka
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Next person in line.... : "Ok so...that's a no on the nuggets?"
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Maybe they should start serving Happy Meal instead of Angry Meal
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I wonder what it was like to be the person behind her in line.
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What drug is she on? She should not be driving! She should be arrested for assault at he very least. She's nuts!
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Assume my ultimate form u mean that this wasn’t her final form
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Meanwhile in the U.S.
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"Unless you're speaking chicken nuggets into my hand I don't want to hear it" 😂😂😂😂😂 I may use that everywhere now. Chipotle" if you're not speaking burrito into my hand I don't want to hear it" Popeyes" if you're not speaking that new chicken sandwich ino my hand I don't hear it"😂😂🤣
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The person behind her must be like: "well Timmy we can't get nuggets"
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Honestly, just go in the freezer and get my chicken nuggets bro
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1st) one is gas explosion
2nd) one is already caught fire and than explod
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The first one isent bass its the gas tank that explode by heat
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Called subwoofers
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First 3 arent real
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plateshutoverlock

Why do the buildings look Dutch?
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politicalworldwar news
CNN had to send a black guy to talk to the gang lol
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why announce yourself as a gang leader on the news?
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Living in the projects wearing Jordan lol prioritized well.
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xyg dipper
well i dont think these guys are actual gangsters probably actors hired by CNN lol
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Kyrshanlangki khynriam
Yeah because if they are a gang member they will not reveal their face
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Jerry Don
Spot on observation. They not real gang members. They were hired. These guys are portraying to be black p stones. But in reality black disciples control this area.
7 months ago
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Jerry Don
@Josh Stewart dude it's chicago. Different sets cant just hang on any block they choose lmao. They kill over turf
7 months ago
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Jamar Bosman
I know they were hired by CNN. U got Post Malone as the leader and Blankman ( guy with red hat and glasses) as the enforcer. 😂😂😂 " give me your ride punk or I'm gunna dust ur ass" in my Malibu's most wanted voice.

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Ron Frierson
@Jerry Don nah fam GDz run it
7 months ago

Jerry Don
@Ron Frierson tha gardens been trey folks for 4 decadez. Since d 80s
7 months ago
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Ron Frierson
@Jerry Don aw aiight G! When I go there I run into alot of GDz im from Gary I got fam out there! I'm GD
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Jerry Don
@Ron Frierson u stand correct. I was thinking of Ada b wells. Grown mane admit thy wrongs.
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QT Nextify
@Ron Frierson true but EBK the move it’s every body killer u fucks wit all
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Timmo frm Parkway
On bro they know the dirty 130’s all bds who tf is dem ?
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Armani Webb
710 people murdered last year, this seems to be the only number people focus on. How bout the other 4,368 other victims who survived their shootings yet are paralyzed, amputated body parts, confimed to wheel chairs, left half dumb? Thats the real number. 4,368 victims. Remember chicago has 4 trauma centers, some of the best in the world, and is currently building a 5th. Take away these trauma centers, and some advanecement im medical technology and practice and we can easily see that 710 climb to upper 1,000's maybe even lower 2,000's....sad.
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Real gangsters move in silence...
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Why not protest these gangs and block their cars and burn and flip their cars. O wait we just to that to innocent people
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Why I Thought This Was A Key & Peele Scene 😂😂
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I been living out here for 10yrs never saw dude em🤦🏾‍♀️I think Cnn brought them with them 😭😭😭😭💯
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attention gang members, real men don't need gangs!🐔💩
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Man is more scared with these people then meeting up with KKK members xD
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Never heard of that gang in Chicago
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1:05 is literally the only moment you’re waiting for 😂
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Kamau scared in the middle of the day. 😂
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Øwēn Wîllîamš
Even though I live in Chicago I am so glad I do not have to experience the shit these people have to go through.
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Keeping gang violence in pockets is the key to eliminating it in other neighborhoods. Do not demolish the projects!!
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Yes it's in my recommended now see ya all for few years
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@1:02 dude on far left is very traumatized by this messed up life he's born into.
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I remember the hood parts of Chicago being bad since I was a little kid (basically forever cuz I'm getting pretty damn old now). Gangbangers would shoot each other over colors or if hats were cocked a certain way.
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If above yes, please explain:

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I love the idea of being in my cell while they are out free, and that they know where I am and that I am safe.

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Let's start with the name itself. There is no single "5G." There are, in fact, three different varieties, with very different kinds of performance... But, what most people want, what most people lust for is 1Gbps speeds with less than 10 milliseconds of latency... [T]o get that kind of speed you must have mmWave 5G — and it comes with a lot of caveats.

First, it has a range, at best, of 150 meters. If you're driving, that means, until 5G base stations are everywhere, you're going to be losing your high-speed signal a lot. Practically speaking, for the next few years, if you're on the move, you're not going to be seeing high-speed 5G. And, even if you are in range of a 5G base station, anything — and I mean anything — can block its high-frequency signal. Window glass, for instance, can stop it dead. So, you could have a 5G transceiver literally on your street corner and not be able to get a good signal. How bad is this? NTT DoCoMo, Japan's top mobile phone service provider, is working on a new kind of window glass, just so their mmWave 5G will work. I don't know about you, but I don't want to shell out a few grand to replace my windows just to get my phone to work.

Let's say, though, that you've got a 5G phone and you're sure you can get 5G service — what kind of performance can you really expect? According to Washington Post tech columnist Geoffrey A. Fowler, you can expect to see a "diddly squat" 5G performance... ["roughly the same as on 4G LTE," while some places "actually have been slower."] It wasn't just him, since he lives in that technology backwater known as the San Francisco bay area. He checked with several national firms tracking 5G performance. They found that all three major U.S. telecom networks' 5G isn't that much faster than 4G. Indeed, OpenSignal reports that U.S. 5G users saw an average speed of 33.4Mbps. Better than 4G, yes, but not "Wow! This is great!" speeds most people seem to be dreaming of. It's also, I might add, much worse than any other country using 5G, with the exception of the United Kingdom.
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Couple of reasons why today's Internet is useless: (-1)

Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago

(TrueScore: 4, Interesting)
In the year 1999, you went to a site, clicked "register", filled in basic info, and then you had an account. No CAPTCHAs. No e-mail verification in most cases. Absolutely no "phone verification". No fake error messages based on your IP address/"reputation score". No underhanded "oh, wait, you cannot have the account after all" messages after you've already registered. No evil "shadowbans"/bubbles. No photo IDs had to be scanned in and sent to the owners of the site. Nothing like that whatsoever. Those days are long gone...

* The local auction site was bought by eBay a few years ago. I then tried to sell an item using my account created in 2003... only to be spat in the face with yet another "upload government photo ID to continue" message -- after I had spent hours upon hours creating and perfecting the description, photos, etc. For an account that was 10+ years old. With nothing but positive feedback on every transaction. I immediately ceased using it forever.
.

* I keep getting locked out of accounts when companies start using Google's reCAPTCHA even for logging in. All attempts to contact the companies in question in order for them to have my account "whitelisted" from having to jump through these hoops have been unsuccessful. Google must track every single mouse click, and blocking it means you can't even attempt to get past their harassments...
.

* I once (in recent years) actually managed to successfully create a Facebook account, with a lot of trickery and swearing. In no time, they locked me out, forcing me to upload a face photo "for my protection". I naturally sent them a fake photo and that's the last time I ever saw that account.
.
* I tried numerous times to create an account on Plenty of Fish (dating site). Every single time, no matter what information I inputted into the registration form, it would give fake error messages about how the "username is already taken" (even when trying impossible, ridiculous ones full of random alphanumeric characters).
.
* I registered an account at Reddit and started posting. After a while, it seemed like it was eerily, suspiciously dead. I tried copying the URLs into a new browser instance (with a different set of cookies) and all of the links returned "not found" errors. I e-mailed the site owners about this and they flat-out admitted to me that my account had been silently put in a "bubble" immediately upon registration due to the IP address being owned by a VPN/proxy service. Needless to say, I immediately stopped using the site forever.
.
* To my horror, I discovered one day in 2019 that "anonymous" posting has been disabled on Slashdot. (As if the constant insult of being called a "coward" wasn't already bad enough...) Registering an account involves a massive form of information, e-mail verification with an annoying forced "password reset", and of course a Google reCANCER blob. In other words, it's no longer possible to properly comment on articles. It was the last place where I could in any way make my little voice heard to a couple of other people.
.
* Have you noticed how insanely unhelpful error messages have become in recent years? It seems to be a disgusting new practice to actively and consciously make every error message as useless as possible, frequently downright lying, and to only show these at the very last step, to maximize the amount of time and energy you steal from the person trying to register. The excuse given (if any) is to "stop bots", but since I'm not a bot yet keep getting these BS messages everywhere, they clearly very much affect humans trying to use these trashy services. It's beyond insulting to get some worthless gibberish about "username is already taken" when the real "error" is "you are not using your home connection directly so that we can track you uniquely and know you by name and address and see exactly which pages you load from us even if you filled in zero personal information".
.
* A couple of years ago, I needed a basic website for my software project. Not just every single server host, but even "webhost" (called "web hotel" in some languages) demanded that I sent a scanned copy of my (nonexistent) government-issued photo ID and Visa debit card for the privilege of getting to pay them money. None of them of course mention this prior to wasting my time and energy filling out their endless forms...
.
* I've long since lost count of the number of times when a registration form has claimed that "an e-mail containing a verification link has been sent" but I never actually received any e-mail. (No, it's not "in the spam folder"...)

.
* As with countless other "decentralized" things, I looked into The Federation / Fediverse. From their site: "we expect sites we list to have a humane code of conduct in place. Should sites who fail to ban content that can be found generally harmful, that node will be blocked from listing here." That makes no sense grammatically, but it continues: "Harmful content can be, but not limited to, malware, graphical material of minors, abusive images, hateful content, racist content and climate denialism." In other words, the whole thing is controlled by the exact same truth-suffocating, hateful scumbags as the centralized giants, rendering it utterly pointless.
.

* Recently, after Microsoft had bought GitHub, I tried to log in to an account of mine in order to reply to a reply on an issue thread. I was only mildly shocked to learn that they had locked me out with a message about having sent a "verification code" to the throwaway e-mail address I used when registering, obviously long since abandoned and inaccessible. Apparently, having the right password is no longer enough to prove that you control an account. (I could never get back into it, resulting in a dead end for the issue.)
.
And yes, this is on-topic no matter which news article discussion field it is posted in, because it fundamentally affects us all.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

Fuck off already
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Re: Couple of reasons why today's Internet is usele (-1)
Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago
Why don't you shut up and die? He makes a bunch of great points, and the sole editor who can comprehend the points turns his back to them. The points go over the rest of the fake news editors' heads. BeauHD especially is a useless MORON. He knows nothing and is proud of it.
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Re: Couple of reasons why today's Internet is usele (+1)
SirKveldulv an hour ago
He does make some good points, but this posts ends up in every story and has for months and months and months. There's no way to filter it (is there?), so by now it's really annoying noise. Less annoying than the ascii swastikas, but both are f*cking annoying.
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Re: Couple of reasons why today's Internet is usele (+1)
parityshrimp 3 minutes ago
In the year 1999, you went to a site, clicked "register", filled in basic info, and then you had an account. No CAPTCHAs. No e-mail verification in most cases. Absolutely no "phone verification". No fake error messages based on your IP address/"reputation score". No underhanded "oh, wait, you cannot have the account after all" messages after you've already registered. No evil "shadowbans"/bubbles. No photo IDs had to be scanned in and sent to the owners of the site. Nothing like that whatsoever. Those days are long gone...

* The local auction site was bought by eBay a few years ago. I then tried to sell an item using my account created in 2003... only to be spat in the face with yet another "upload government photo ID to continue" message -- after I had spent hours upon hours creating and perfecting the description, photos, etc. For an account that was 10+ years old. With nothing but positive feedback on every transaction. I immediately ceased using it forever.

* I keep getting locked out of accounts when companies start using Google's reCAPTCHA even for logging in. All attempts to contact the companies in question in order for them to have my account "whitelisted" from having to jump through these hoops have been unsuccessful. Google must track every single mouse click, and blocking it means you can't even attempt to get past their harassments...

* I once (in recent years) actually managed to successfully create a Facebook account, with a lot of trickery and swearing. In no time, they locked me out, forcing me to upload a face photo "for my protection". I naturally sent them a fake photo and that's the last time I ever saw that account.
* I tried numerous times to create an account on Plenty of Fish (dating site). Every single time, no matter what information I inputted into the registration form, it would give fake error messages about how the "username is already taken" (even when trying impossible, ridiculous ones full of random alphanumeric characters).
* I registered an account at Reddit and started posting. After a while, it seemed like it was eerily, suspiciously dead. I tried copying the URLs into a new browser instance (with a different set of cookies) and all of the links returned "not found" errors. I e-mailed the site owners about this and they flat-out admitted to me that my account had been silently put in a "bubble" immediately upon registration due to the IP address being owned by a VPN/proxy service. Needless to say, I immediately stopped using the site forever.
* To my horror, I discovered one day in 2019 that "anonymous" posting has been disabled on Slashdot. (As if the constant insult of being called a "coward" wasn't already bad enough...) Registering an account involves a massive form of information, e-mail verification with an annoying forced "password reset", and of course a Google reCANCER blob. In other words, it's no longer possible to properly comment on articles. It was the last place where I could in any way make my little voice heard to a couple of other people.
* Have you noticed how insanely unhelpful error messages have become in recent years? It seems to be a disgusting new practice to actively and consciously make every error message as useless as possible, frequently downright lying, and to only show these at the very last step, to maximize the amount of time and energy you steal from the person trying to register. The excuse given (if any) is to "stop bots", but since I'm not a bot yet keep getting these BS messages everywhere, they clearly very much affect humans trying to use these trashy services. It's beyond insulting to get some worthless gibberish about "username is already taken" when the real "error" is "you are not using your home connection directly so that we can track you uniquely and know you by name and address and see exactly which pages you load from us even if you filled in zero personal information".
* A couple of years ago, I needed a basic website for my software project. Not just every single server host, but even "webhost" (called "web hotel" in some languages) demanded that I sent a scanned copy of my (nonexistent) government-issued photo ID and Visa debit card for the privilege of getting to pay them money. None of them of course mention this prior to wasting my time and energy filling out their endless forms...
* I've long since lost count of the number of times when a registration form has claimed that "an e-mail containing a verification link has been sent" but I never actually received any e-mail. (No, it's not "in the spam folder"...)

* As with countless other "decentralized" things, I looked into The Federation / Fediverse. From their site: "we expect sites we list to have a humane code of conduct in place. Should sites who fail to ban content that can be found generally harmful, that node will be blocked from listing here." That makes no sense grammatically, but it continues: "Harmful content can be, but not limited to, malware, graphical material of minors, abusive images, hateful content, racist content and climate denialism." In other words, the whole thing is controlled by the exact same truth-suffocating, hateful scumbags as the centralized giants, rendering it utterly pointless.

* Recently, after Microsoft had bought GitHub, I tried to log in to an account of mine in order to reply to a reply on an issue thread. I was only mildly shocked to learn that they had locked me out with a message about having sent a "verification code" to the throwaway e-mail address I used when registering, obviously long since abandoned and inaccessible. Apparently, having the right password is no longer enough to prove that you control an account. (I could never get back into it, resulting in a dead end for the issue.)
And yes, this is on-topic no matter which news article discussion field it is posted in, because it fundamentally affects us all.
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Re: Couple of reasons why today's Internet is usele

Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago

Gnarly dude. It's like this one time I had locked myself outside of my house (because the big corporations, don'tchaknow), and I had to take a shit really bad and instead of going behind a bush or asking a neighbor I just did it in my pants while i was calling the locksmith and then I realized that my keys were in my pocket the entire time.
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Except for the UK? (+1)
Dutch Gun 6 hours ago
I've heard their 5G infrastructure is blazing fast. Did I misunderstand?
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Re: Except for the UK? (+4, Funny)
Patent Lover 6 hours ago
Just blazing.
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Re: Except for the UK? (+2)
timeOday 6 hours ago
I think the point of the short range 1Gbps stuff is to serve a massive number of people in a small space, like a stadium, without a complete collapse of performance. (Of course with Covid there currently ARE no crowds...)

Can't see why any one phone would want 1 Gbps, but maybe somebody will show me up on that.
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Re: Except for the UK? (+1)
Aighearach 5 hours ago
I can't see why somebody would imagine that they'd be using it in a car. With a range of 150m, even if there are base stations "everywhere" you're not going to be moving from cell to cell that fast, with your data transactions moving transparently with you, without either a lot of latency, or a lot of lost network connections. Think about the network load for moving all those connections around and re-transmitting all the lost packets.
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Re: Except for the UK? (+1)
timeOday 4 hours ago
Yeah. I'm thinking, rush hour foot traffic in a train station in China/Japan/Singapore.

I mean good lord

https://www.standard.co.uk/new...
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Re: Except for the UK?
NFN_NLN 5 hours ago
> Of course with Covid there currently ARE no crowds...
There are still practical applications. What if BLM/Antifa wants to live stream the burning and looting of cities after the election. They could save the video to SD cards, but then they'll be too lazy to upload it. They really need fast streams and that translates to 5G towers that are fire resistant.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

Sorry you hate equal rights, fucking racist bitch.
We're coming for you next
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rtb61 5 hours ago
5G it to control and monitor you at all times, with internet appliance. Don't bother with a router and wires you control, we can control all your devices for you, from 5G, your front door, your back door, you airconditioner, you fridge, your microwave, your TVs, your radio's, your phones, you computers, your game console, ALL OURS FUCKER, 'er', all connected directly to 5G, no wiring, no router, that's all too hard, let us to it for you and no hard disk drive, use ours, we will scan and delete all unwanted files for you.
5G was never about performance is was all about psychos being psychos, anal retentive control freaks wanting to control every aspect of your life to be able to torture and terrorise you when ever they want. Really sick shite and make no mistake.
PS why the fuck would you change the windows, just an an antennae outside that connects to an antennae inside. Ohh wait brickwalls, OK, antennae hooks up to a booster and router and wires network, shh can't fucking do that, that's not the idea, total continuous monitoring and total continuous digital control.
5G is not about your access to the world, it is all about corporations access to you and control of you and your entire family.
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Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

Just wait until Obama mandates that you buy 5G. And makes it illegal to leave your home without it.
You'll be safe regardless. Your basement is probably lead lined, and all your clothes are tinfoil.
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billyswong 3 hours ago
I think the point of the short range 1Gbps stuff is to serve a massive number of people in a small space, like a stadium, without a complete collapse of performance. (Of course with Covid there currently ARE no crowds...)

Can't see why any one phone would want 1 Gbps, but maybe somebody will show me up on that.

Such scenario can be served a lot better with wifi. When there are massive number of people, the bottleneck is always the celltower / router, not the wireless technology part. Gigabit wifi is useful. Gigabit wifi that can serve thousands and thousands of people is useful. Gigabit wifi that connect to 10Gbps internet is useful. Gigabit 5G that is still data-capped is not.

Even if they say 5G tower can better handle crowded scenes, telecoms history give me no faith that they won't underbuild and oversell again.
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Anonymous Coward an hour ago

Get your Capitalist telcoms to compete then and get your money.
Or move to Communist China, and get much faster 5G.
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Rick Schumann 5 hours ago

I've heard their 5G infrastructure is blazing, fast.
Fixed that for you, you were missing the comma.
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Complementary tech (+1)
Ancalimar 6 hours ago
Isn't the point of 5g that is had to be supplemented and partnered? Here's one of at least three complementary technologies that I know AT&T is working on. https://www.fiercewireless.com...
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Let me get this right (+1)
ArchieBunker 6 hours ago
The first version of a new technology is slow and power hungry? You're shitting me! Brick phones used to have an hour of battery time but tech improved and here we are.
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Anonymouse Cowtard 6 hours ago
It'll be interesting to see how they solve the "stopped by glass" problem
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

The same way you solve all Windows problems. A brick.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

The first version of a new technology is slow and power hungry? You're shitting me!
Except it's not the first version. It's the 5th version. That's why it's called 5G and not 1G.
When version 5 is significantly worse than version 4, that's a problem. How did this even happen? How do multiple companies spend several years and lots of $shekels$ developing something that doesn't even work worth a shit?
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Why did the chicken cross the road? (+1)
goombah99 5 hours ago
5G
Sorry, bad joke
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squiggleslash 4 hours ago

Not only that, but it misses the point in 5G anyway. I know this is all "640K is enough for everyone", but who the hell needs a 1Gbps connection to their cellphone? If you tether it to your home network, and have four Rokus plugged into 4K TVs, in each room and they're all streaming at Blu-ray 4K quality (which isn't going to happen), you'd still have 80% of your bandwidth to spare.

4G, or rather LTE, was about ensuring that mobile data rates were high enough to be as useful as wirelines. 5G is about capacity. 4G networks work great, but they can get overloaded when multiple people are trying to stream video, for example.

So the focus on 5G's technological development is as much about offlloading network load to smaller networks that use otherwise useless spectrum as it is about incremental improvements to data rates using conventional frequencies.

1Gbps would be nice, but it's not really what they're aiming for here.
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Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

I know this is all "640K is enough for everyone", but who the hell needs a 1Gbps connection to their cellphone?
When the Arpanet backbone was sold off to the commercial telecoms and first became the Internet, who *needed* Internet access at all?
No one needed it, and the ones who simply wanted it numbered down in the area of a rounding error.
But now look at our world today. The Internet is about as much of a need as is running water, access to transportation, and radio/TV. (it's all but supplanted radio for nearly all uses terrestrial broadcast used to serve, and TV would be the same if not for licencing terms preventing it)
People can't easily get jobs without it, kids can't do homework without it (ignoring 2020 here), it equals the knowledge available from libraries even if they two are still related as a venn diagram.
It serves as rival for shopping in sheer availability, and is already heavily encroaching into shopping for necessities.
All of this in just over a quarter of a century.
I'm not disagreeing with you that ubiquitous RF data transfer ability needs to have priorities, and do agree we should be placing "ubiquitous" over bandwidth *to the end user* (not to be confused with shared bandwidth to an area)
But gigabit data to a computing device in your pocket, need or not, should not be simply dismissed. I know you weren't doing so trivially, but things like this need to be kept firmly in our vision for a future that is far better than what we have now.
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Darinbob 23 minutes ago
I was surprised it went to great effort to point out how you might lose the super fast connection while driving. Well.. duh? If you're driving, you don't need the internet (and neither does your car). Your passengers can manage to survive without it too for brief instances; give the kids a book. If you're a commuter on mass transit, they'll give you wifi in some other way, but it's far better to just take it easy than try to work while commuting, sheesh.
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New technology not available or mature is a joke (+1)
thegarbz 6 hours ago
news at 11. Seriously at this point 5G is what every wireless technology was at their comparable points. Get over it.
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reboot246 6 hours ago
Yes, but how are you going to get around the laws of physics?
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Aighearach 5 hours ago
Yes, but how are you going to get around the laws of physics?
They don't need to, they have Murphy's Law to blame when they fail.
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EABinGA 5 hours ago
Yes, but how are you going to get around the laws of physics?
Exactly, the limits are not in the encoding scheme or technology, but in the bandwidth available.As long as 5G runs in the same bandwidth as 4G, don't expect miracles.



See Shannon's Law. Good explanation can be found here: https://www.waveform.com/blogs...
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phantomfive 5 hours ago
Yeah, I was just thinking, "I've read this story before...." About 4G, about 3G
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always oversell (+1)
fermion 6 hours ago
A while ago I tried to do a hotspot at home. I saw good speed outside, but inside it was sub MB range. I was within a kilometer of one tower, a couple kilometers of two others. Officially I should have have speed of a few MB per second, in reality the usefulness was way oversold. I know ATT got in trouble for advertising 5G. I don't know how Verizon gets away with it's ad, which basically implies that 5G is available in select cities, but is really on in select neighborhoods. We are seeing improvement, cellar speed on my devices are a couple hundred Mbps, better than my home wireless sometimes. But it is very location dependent. There are places outside of the US where it is better. There are places in pacific northwest and rural southwest where is almost non existant.
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So in summary, (+1)
Captivale 6 hours ago
the author made up an imaginary hypothetical definition of 5G and then denounced the industry for not living up to his non-existent standard.
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Move to a developed contry * (+2)
williamyf 6 hours ago
Like South Korea or Japan, and see 5G in all its glory.
More seriously: The article shows a complete lack of technicall understanding from the author. Saying that 5G is three standards depending on the frequency is like saying that GSM was 5 standards because there are implementations in 450Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz and 1900Mhz. No, in GSM (and indeed in all cellular standards) the signanling, framing, etc is done in the same way, no matter which frequency the operator happens to use. Besides, 5G is called 5G because is the ONLY 5G standard worldwide. In 4G we had 2 standards, in 3G he had 3, and 3 standards also in 2G.
And this also neglects other benefits that 5G brings to the table, both for users (network slicing, improved latencies), operators (new markets, possibility to have more users attached to a single tower), or industry (autonomous freight trucks, edge computing).
So no, 5G is no joke, is simply in its early stages, wait and see.
* In terms of Telecoms. The USoA is a developed country allright, but in terms of telecoms in general, and Cellular in particular, you guys are middle of the pack at best.
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Quakeulf 6 hours ago
How is 5G in Israel? Aren't they the world leaders, or at least the most invested in this technology, co-operating with China?
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Methuselah2 5 hours ago
I am currently a bit North of NYC, along the river. I get 5G, buy my phone doesn't do mmWave. Not that it matters, because of the short distance it has, I'll probably never have it here, even if I had a phone that could do it. I understand the problems with the differences in 5G, and the over hyped PR of it. But when I got my new phone, I connect with 5G, and my speeds increased to where I can notice the difference. Granted it's not silly fast, but noticeably faster.
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DontBeAMoran 3 hours ago
* In terms of Telecoms. The USoA is a developed country alright, but in terms of telecoms in general, and Cellular in particular, you guys are middle of the pack at best.
For bottom of the pack, see "Canada".
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DontBeAMoran 3 hours ago
Forgot to add our carriers moto: "Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices!"
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williamyf 2 hours ago
Forgot to add our carriers moto: "Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices!"
Mod parent up as funny. while I do not live in the USoA, I see a lot of media from there. And what you say is true.
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williamyf 2 hours ago
* In terms of Telecoms. The USoA is a developed country alright, but in terms of telecoms in general, and Cellular in particular, you guys are middle of the pack at best.
For bottom of the pack, see "Canada".
I live in Venezuela. You telecoms "plight" is just 1st world problems. You get no simpathy from me. ;-) :-P
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Why is it cool to dis on 5G now? (+1)
Quakeulf 6 hours ago
I was, and still am, skeptical from its promises and premises from the start. However everyone voted my posts down on here. What happened?
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Re: Why is it cool to dis on 5G now? (+1)
phantomfive 5 hours ago
It was probably because of your tone, not your content.
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Re: Why is it cool to dis on 5G now? (+1)
Mspangler 3 hours ago
Because Marketing promised the moon, and delivered 100-Base-T from 1998 (or there abouts).
https://dilbert.com/strip/1999...
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Computerworld really ???? (+1)
Bradac_55 6 hours ago
It's 2020, who would read Computerworld at this point for anything remotely more than something to do while on the toilet ?
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WeaselCom 5 hours ago
The first website I open on my iPad when seated on the white throne is /.
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Let's say, though.. (+1)
WeaselCom 5 hours ago
> Let's say, though, that you've got a 5G phone and you're sure you can get 5G service
Lets say, though that you've already got a 4G LTE phone and it works perfectly fine for everything a pocket sized internet communicator needs to do.
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Is Huawei mmWave? (+1)
aj1929 5 hours ago
Is Huawei mmWave?
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I still don't get why we even need this? (+2)

Rick Schumann 5 hours ago

Seriously, why do we even need this? I don't want to hear about 'Internet of Things' crap, either, because most of that is useless garbage, and I don't want to hear about 'All the industrial uses for Internet of Things' because I just don't believe that, either, what we already have should serve all those things more than adequately. That leaves consumers; why do you need 1Gbps on a smartphone? Can it even use speeds that high? Aside from watching a 1080p movie on your phone (and why would you do that, either, on some tiny little screen) what could you possibly be doing with your phone that you need more than 100Mbps, ever?
Seriously, what has happened to our civilization that you've all been convinced that we need things like this?
No, I'm not a 'troll', and no, I'm not 'flamebait' either so leave off with the misapplied moderation points. Just because you don't like the questions doesn't mean you abuse your ability to apply moderation points. I want someone to explain to me why it is we even need 5G in the first place because I just don't see it, it really looks to me like it's all marketing hype making you think you 'need' it when you really aren't even using what you already have, i.e. the telecoms aren't making enough profit as-is.
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RhettLivingston 4 hours ago
I agree we don't need this. But, the IoT is exactly why we don't. I have upwards of 40 WiFi devices in my little 1600 sq ft home. I pay $65 per month for my internet. There is no way the idea of putting every device on 5G and paying the phone company for the service could ever compete. Even at $2 per month per connection I'd be losing money.
My phone service is also fine. Though we go beyond 20 GB of usage on each of our phones, we get by on less than 1 GB of actual mobile data usage because the phones connect to WiFi almost everywhere we go. Even when driving, I almost always have a WiFi connection to a Spectrum WiFi. If we simply improve the WiFi to connect and switch faster, I'd be using even less mobile data.
The whole 5G thing is just an attempt to replace free WiFi with something that phone companies can charge monthly fees for.
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williamyf 3 hours ago
[...] But, the IoT is exactly why we don't. I have upwards of 40 WiFi devices in my little 1600 sq ft home. [...]
The whole 5G thing is just an attempt to replace free WiFi with something that phone companies can charge monthly fees for.
No, the IoT devices that will attach to 5G will not be y(our) toys and gadgets at home, will be the smart power, gas and water meters from your utilites, smart weather and seismic sensors for scientists, Smart HVAC control systems for your building, the elevator's monitoring sensors. The autonomuos trucks, vans and drones that will deliver your shopping. The tracking systems of your car in case of theft. The traffic lights and emergency buttons in your city that currently use a bespoke RF system. You see, 5G not only has High Bandwidth modes, it has low bandwidth - low power - LOW LATNECY modes that were simply not available in the Gs before (well, in 4G those were bolted on as an afterthough late in its life, and did not get popular). In 5G, those modes are very versatile, and developed from the ground up for the protocol.
Let me give you an example. In GSM (2G), be it plain GSM, GPRS or EDGE, you DO NOT have power control for data timeslots, only for voice. This means that devicies using a 2G modem (up until now, the most popular modem for IoT) consume a lot of power, and, since there is no power control, the noise floor is raised when you have a lot of devices (like all the metters in a apt building) transmitting data on the same cell...
Also, in GSM the latency is 300~1000ms, while in 5G is 10~20ms INDEPENDENT OF THE FREQUENCY (the article's aurthor is wrong). As long as both the radio is New Radio, and the Core is a 5G core (5G is the first G that let's you mix and match core and radio if you wish, see Stand Alone 5G vs Non-Stand-alone 5G)*. By the way, 4G's latency is 20~50ms (if memory serves).
Your toys at home (like y(our) vacuum robot, mop robot, chromecast, cell phone, desktop**) will still hook up to your home wifi, do not worry, 5G will not replace your wonderfull WiFi with something that the phone company can charge monthly fees for... ;-)
So, next time remember, IoT is not only about toys and gimmicks for consumers, it has legitimate use cases.
PS: If you want a 100% Stand Alone 5G network, wait for Dish, since they are unencumbered by the past, they will surely launch a 5G Stand Alone Network, the core is actually cheaper (because of the cloud native implementation) ;-) .
* You can deploy a 5G core (5GC) with only 4G towers and still call the resulting thing a 5G network. You will get improved latencies, and the benefits of a cloud based core architecture, and certain other goodies, but with the speed of 4G. Likewise, you can deploy 5G NewRadio cells to a 4G core (EPC Evolved Packet Core), and call the resulting network 5G. As a matter of fact, all operators in the USoA are using 5G NR towers conected to a 4G core, in what is known as NSA 5G (i can't recall the mode, there are many, i think in the USoA all are using option #3)
**My desktop connects to the internet via wifi, the two eth ports go bonded and direct Attached to the DS1515+, and only the DS.
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Rick Schumann 40 minutes ago
No, the IoT devices that will attach to 5G will not be y(our) toys and gadgets at home, will be the smart power, gas and water meters from your utilites, smart weather and seismic sensors for scientists, Smart HVAC control systems for your building, the elevator's monitoring sensors. The autonomuos trucks, vans and drones that will deliver your shopping. The tracking systems of your car in case of theft. The traffic lights and emergency buttons in your city that currently use a bespoke RF system. You see, 5G not only has High Bandwidth modes, it has low bandwidth - low power - LOW LATNECY modes that were simply not available in the Gs before (well, in 4G those were bolted on as an afterthough late in its life, and did not get popular). In 5G, those modes are very versatile, and developed from the ground up for the protocol.
Sorry, I just don't see all that happening, or it's all being done some other way and why would they change it? Also many of those things should not be on the Internet in the first place, they should airgapped from the internet at all times for safety reasons. I think this is a disaster waiting to happen and I hope it all just falls apart.
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Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

Seriously, why do we even need this?
Maybe so that the NSA can download the entire contents of your phone with all your pics and videos in seconds? Download contents of phones of large number of individuals connected to the same tower?
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Re: I still don't get why we even need this? (+1)
Rick Schumann 39 minutes ago
Good thing I don't and won't ever have a smartphone then.
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Re: I still don't get why we even need this? (+2)
ArchieBunker 3 hours ago
Yeah who would ever fill up a 10 megabyte hard drive? Who would ever need multiple cpu cores? Who would ever need a GPU for displaying pixels...
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Rockoon 3 hours ago
Yeah who would ever fill up a 10 megabyte hard drive?

You arent making a point. There were lots of people who filled their first 10meg RLL or MFM disks and could articulate why they needed to do so.



So have not articulated a need for 5G.
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ArchieBunker 2 hours ago
As others have stated, say an event at a stadium.
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Rick Schumann 38 minutes ago
Oh shut the fuck up.
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williamyf 2 hours ago
[...] and I don't want to hear about 'All the industrial uses for Internet of Things' because I just don't believe that, either, what we already have should serve all those things more than adequately. [...]
With network Slicing, 5G allows you to give QoS guarantees to the Industrial IoT in ways that were not possible in 2G, 3G and original 4G. In latter 4G (LTE Advanced) that was bolted on as an aftertought, but were not nearly as versatile and well integrated as in 5G.
Let me give you an example: In GSM (2G), be it plain GSM, GPRS or EDGE, you DO NOT have power control for data timeslots, only for voice. This means that devicies using a 2G modem (up until now, the most popular modem for industrial IoT applications) consume a lot of power (so, if those run on batteriues, you deplete those faster), and, since there is no power control, the noise floor is raised when you have a lot of devices (like all the meters in a apt building) transmitting data on the same cell... Also, in GSM the latency is 300~1000ms, while in 5G is 10~20ms INDEPENDENT OF THE FREQUENCY (the article's aurthor is wrong).
So no, what we have can not serve what we have and more importanly what is comming more than adequately.
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Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

We're in a cold war with China.
Who can watch the most 4k dancing cat videos on TikTok?
China invents 5G. America just bans TikTok.
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Shades72 an hour ago
If you have aging eyes (like myself), it is not difficult to understand why you think the form factor of a phone (or tablet) is not enough to enjoy content on. And I really get that point. I have a smart phone (a 2 year old Huawei P20) and it is a pretty capable phone. Yet I refuse to use it for almost anything else then Chats (WhatsApp, Skype, Teams) and 2FA.
For young eyes without experience how a real audio-system should sound like when immersing yourself into media, a phone in combination with earbuds is more than good enough. Youthful cockiness then doesn't allow those persons to consider anything else, because good enough for them is good enough for everyone. And those that are of a different opinion? Kill their comment with: 'OK, boomer' and discussion done.
5G is indeed barely faster, if you actually can get that type of connection. I believe there was an article here on Slashdot not so long ago that stated the '5G' indicator on your phone may be activated (GSMA rules) if your phone supports 5G and the antenna it is currently connected to supports 5G. There is no need to actually setup a 5G connection between your phone and antenna, just saying both devices support is already enough. Just to lure folks in, I'll guess.
5G antennas, you'll need a lot more of them to have a similar level of coverage as 4G does. And, to my understanding, 5G antennas require significantly more energy to operate than 4G does. If you would put up a similar amount of 4G antennas as you would need for the 5G network, the extra capacity would give the end user more bandwidth (as much less people are connected per antenna) and would that also have a positive effect on latency?
95% of the time my phone is connected through WiFi anyway and in places where I don't have that, I don't care and not use the phone for whatever little purpose I have for it anyway. This is not a good thing for people that choose to live in their phone. Then again, I grew up in a time before internet and only one phone connected by a landline. People born in 1995 or later have it way rougher in this regard than I do, I am aware of that.
Not a fan of the smart phone form factor, Android and iOS are a p.ss poor excuse for an operating system in my view and some of the idiosyncrasies in the interface from both systems fill me with awe regarding the level of stupidity that is allowed to pass as user experience. Yet, the young ones fling 'OK, boomer' to my head, because they don't know better and choose to believe whatever new thing is the new hype.
5G is the best example of 'over promise and under deliver' I have seen in a long, long time.
But it seems 5G needs to be the lesson for "not-'OK Boomer's" to learn the hard way. You should do the same as me, get all the enjoyment you can out of them holding the shiny turd that is 5G. I'm sure my father did the same when I was a young one holding the 'shiny' of those days. With the pace technology is going, 5G will be obsolete before it is properly implemented anyway. As far as I know, it is taking telecom companies already too long to roll out the collection of 5G standards as they are today. Prime example of: too little, too late.
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khchung 9 minutes ago
Seriously, why do we even need this?
In the next 5-10 years, you will find out.
Nope, I do not have a crystal ball so I cannot tell you what those new things will be. But I know that no one predicted or expected Amazon, Facebook, TikTok, etc, before Internet access became as widespread as telephone. Nobody predicted Twitch before broadband became widespread.
The only thing slowing down 5G rollout in a country would achieve, is to let startups in other countries establish themselves first, in the same way FB and Google gained dominance in the US. Feel free to further slow down 5G rollout in your country, it gives advantage to the rest of the world.
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Speed (+1)
anoncoward69 4 hours ago
Is this lack of a speed bump related to the technology, or the fact that the cell towers have't had upgraded backhaul and are already over provisioned as is? I remember when 4G 1st came out and all new bands were deployed, it was screaming fast for the 1st year or so while people were still stuck on older slower HSPA/3G phones. Then the speed slowly degraded as more and more people made the upgrades to 4G. I remember being able to get a consistent 80mbps on my 1st LTE phone, now a days its somewhere averaging like 20-30mbps. Then there is the fact my provider t-mobile seems to be shuffling around spectrum, shrinking the actual frequency bandwidth of 4G to shoehorn 5G into some of that prized lower band frequencies, Over the last 2-3months the speed/coverage for 4G has become horrible.
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Sorry what? (+1)
dnaumov 3 hours ago
If/when driving, what exactly are you requiring 1Gbit sub-10ms connectivity for? What is the non-completely-tiny-niche use case?
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Carrier Lifetime 3 hours ago
Real time upload of video from self driving cars maybe?
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Rockoon 3 hours ago
ok, and what about the other 995Mbps?
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Gabest 3 hours ago
Maybe you could share it with 100 other people to get 10mbit for each of you, you selfish "it's only me" prick!
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williamyf 2 hours ago
If/when driving, what exactly are you requiring 1Gbit sub-10ms connectivity for? What is the non-completely-tiny-niche use case?
5G has low power+low bandwidth+low latency modes. And with network slicing, your autonomous vehicle has guaranteed QoS. this was not possible in 2G, 3G or early 4G. In 4G those modes were bolted on as an aftertought in the standard. In 5G, those modes are creaded from the ground up from day one, and are more versaltile and flexible than in 4G. So, a fleet operator, or your onstar, can have telemetry info in a fast and QoS guaranteed way.
But there is another posibility in 5G. Is called edge computing. You see, since with 5G you remove a lot of cruft (like 2G, 3G and eventually 4G) equipment from the sites, you end up with a lot of cooling, electricity and space in the shelters, and those shelters already have a cloud controller, kubernetes, yarn and all the cloud toys, since the 5G NR is cloud native, so you could potentialy fill the shelter with more servers, and ofload the car's inteligence to the datacenter, be the edge computing datacenter in the cell site, a datacenter in the core of the network, or a combination of both. The images, lidar and sensor info will consume a lot of bandwidth, and the latency is very important.
Also, there are studies in self driving card where, even if each car does its own processing, they benefit from having data from cars ahead on the road (especially if the autonomous cars drive as a platoon)... That also requires a lot of bandwidth to propagate the info...
Finally, those modes can be combined (for example low bandwith for telemetry info for fleet central HQ, high bandwidth for autonomous cars/trucks that offload to the cloud, and also high bandwidth to propagate sensor info from the platoon for those cars that do the processing onboard).
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Re: Sorry what? (+1)
SirKveldulv an hour ago
Solving the latency issue in the truck-full-of-tape problem ;)
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What were people expecting? New Physics? (+1)
Carrier Lifetime 3 hours ago
What were people expecting? New Physics that can help put electromagnetic field theory on its head? A breakthrough in information theory that would allow communication at rates higher that Shannon's theorem allows? Whoever is complaining is just ignorant.
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I'm staying with 1G thank you very much (+1)
DontBeAMoran 3 hours ago
Anything more than 1G feels kinda heavy.
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Time for a gold-foil hat

Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago

Methinks the intent of 5G is a terrestrial GPS-like tracking system to keep track of [presumptive] 'social offenders'.
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Remember 4G LTE? (+1)
Ryzilynt 2 hours ago
Now remember the first flat screen TV's.
All the sudden everyone was buying a new TV and the TV manufacturers where delighted and amazed.
They stopped making box TVs and started making flat TV's.
Then everyone had a flat TV and sales tricked off again. Then they tried a whole shit load of gimmicks , better resolution, LED, backlit LED.
Then they tried the "curved" display. Because no one had one of those , surely it would work.
Todays 5G is a like a curved TV. Sure it might be optimal in some applications but for now it's a gimmick.
I have no complaints about my current 4G LTE service. Or my non-curved TV.
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Not speed. (+1)
markdavis 2 hours ago
>"But, what most people want, what most people lust for is 1Gbps speeds "
No, that couldn't be more wrong. Very few people want or expect 1Gps. What we want is not even 1/10th that speed, but:
1) Reliable- where we actually get real 10, 25, or 50Mbs continuously. Not 1Gps for 2ms every now and then, and 1Mbs the rest of the time.
2) With range and coverage- where we actually STAY connected with reasonable speed, regardless of where we are.
3) With reasonable power requirements- where we don't drain our battery in just a few hours.
Super blazing speed that only works in one square block and only outside, without moving, and without anyone else on the network, is useless.
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What nonsense (+1)
johnw an hour ago
what most people want, what most people lust for is 1Gbps speeds with less than 10 milliseconds of latency...
Really? Who are these "most people"? What are they planning to do with this startling performance?
What most people really want is just a stable connection providing reliable performance. As with home broadband, anything above about 40 Mbps is not going to be noticed. For what one actually does with a phone, 10 Mbps is ample.

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Posted in Do you enjoy wearing a tie? on 2008-05-17 13:48:51
i agree with the advice...give that a try. my own dress code was slowly made more formal until now and i wear a suit and tie almost all of the time, french cuffs, collar bar, suspenders and pocket square. i don't see going back to casual attire either.

Posted in Do you enjoy wearing a tie? on 2008-05-01 00:36:09
hello, interesting conversation. just thought i'd add that i, too, always keep my collar buttoned and tie pulled tight. At work and when wearing formal attire at home.

Posted in Do you enjoy wearing a tie? on 2008-04-14 15:08:30
Hello Tony,

That sounds like a very formal outfit, very nice. You should consider wearing a collar bar with your starched collar and tie. I always do now, along with my custom tailored high collared shirts. My ties are always worn very tight, there is no space between my stiff collar and my neck. I agree, cuff links are a good touch.

Posted in Do you enjoy wearing a tie? on 2008-04-11 22:32:11
Hello again mastercon,

I find a cashmere v-neck over shirt and tie warmer than an unbuttoned suit coat personally...but if you have central AC it may not be a problem for you. The layered look is nice, no doubt. A nice v-neck sweater framing a tall starched collar, tightly knotted silk tie held in place with a collar bar is a great look. A vest would work as well I think. It sounds like your wife has very good taste! Lots of nice tweed suits for the cooler weather?

My custom shirts also have collars as high as your triple buttoned ones - and they do take some getting used to. I still am very aware of them around my neck, but I wear collar bar and tie with them and lots of starch. They also correct your posture, I'll agree. I always wear them with a tie.

Good luck with your new dress code, it sounds very nice and formal.

Posted in Do you enjoy wearing a tie? on 2008-04-11 21:09:31
Hello mastercon,

A v-neck sweater over the summer sounds rather tough. You could instead offer to keep your tie or bow tie on, collar buttoned and neckwear tight after work instead, that way you'll still be presentable. My fiance thinks you should wear your collars buttoned and ties tight for your wfe in the evenings. She obviously thinks you should dress very formally, and you should please her in this. Consider French cuffs and cufflinks.

I have a few bow ties, and you will get a little more attention wearing them, but you get used to it. Also, they are usually a bit looser than a necktie, at least in my limited experience.

How do you like wearing the high collars? I've found them to be quite an adjustment. But they do look very nice and formal, and my fiance really likes them on me. I'm wearing the custom tailored high collared shirts every day now.

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Re: will it come with an big tax bill on the 100M+ (+1)
grep -v '.*' * 2 hours ago
"the greatest prize ever given out on Earth" -- a 10-day stay on the International Space Station


will it come with an big tax bill on the 100M+ trip value?
Well of course, it's income. The actual bill to WORRY about is the one you receive while you're there -- they remind you that in the contact you didn't read it's an all-expense-paid ... ONE way trip. Getting home and paying for that is your problem.

But not to worry, they have those cute 50ml-sized bottles of water and O2 for Very Reasonable Prices you can use while you get your transportation loans all lined up. And I hear Red Bull is looking for a higher altitude redo, so there's a chance you could even fly home.
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The State of the Planet
Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago
It says a lot about the current state of affairs when "the greatest prize ever given out on Earth" is a trip off of Earth.
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Another planet?

Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago

It's time to find another planet. Things are miserable here.

Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump's Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes.
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Misery is easy (+1)
evanh 6 hours ago
As the saying goes - It's happiness you have to work at ...
Trump's lies were the easy choice.
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How long ... (+1)
PPH 6 hours ago
... do you have to stay if you lose?
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Re: How long ... (+1)
Your Father 5 hours ago
Longer than you think on this jaunt.
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Runner Up (+1)
ChrisMaple 5 hours ago
Second place finisher's prize is 20 days on the ISS. Then more in Philadelphia.
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Re: Runner Up (+1)
Antique Geekmeister 4 hours ago
Isn't that Pittsburgh? Don't the losers of hte Pennsic War, the medieval re-enactment event held by Society for Creative Anachronism, get Pittsburgh?
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Re: Runner Up (+1)
93 Escort Wagon 3 hours ago
I have briefly watched reality shows in the past - the participants are pretty much all self-absorbed jerks of the first order.
Whatever the winner's prize is, the losers are anyone who has to spend any time in the proximity of someone who's willing to participate on a reality show.


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theendlessnow 4 hours ago
Oddly enough, we can't just send random folks into space. Lots of training, endurance, etc... still required, even for a pleasure trip.
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Re: No (+1)
sysrammer 2 hours ago
Oddly enough, they appear to have thought about that..."Axiom has also said it can provide all the training necessary to prepare individuals for a trip to the ISS...".
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I hope it's a secret mission (+1)
Rosco P. Coltrane 4 hours ago
to test the emergency egress mechanism in case the rocket explodes on live human subjects. It would make sense: reality TV stars are nominally human, yet if the ejection seat fails, it's no great loss. And the ensuing drama would make millions for the producer.
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No women of childbearing age will win (-1)

Anonymous Coward 4 hours ago

They won't be allowed in zero gee. Look very carefully at the medical histories, if you can, of all women in space. After the first Russian woman almost bled to death from menstruation on landing, all women in space have either had hysterectomies or menopause. Given space programs' unwillingness to discuss the matter, and the incredible workstress of astronauts and difficulties of osteoporosis in older women, they all look to have had hysterectomies.
Maybe they could just send trans-women? That way they can use the safer, condom based catheters for urination, especially for any space walks.
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Survivor (+1)
backslashdot 4 hours ago
Being voted off the island is bad enough, but being voted off the planet?
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Re: Survivor (+1)
The_mad_linguist 3 hours ago
The way things have been going recently, I'd say it's more Futurama than Survivor.

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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

Sorry but you are vastly outnumbered, nutjob. You'll learn that Americans want law and order when Trump gets reelected on November 3rd and we start arresting and prosecuting your violent, insane mobs.
You sound like my uncle who spent his early years in the Hitler Youth and then served in an SS Spezialabteilung liquidating politically and racially undesirable people which is where the whole Trump movement is going to end, rampaging Trump supporters perpetrating pogroms and building gas chambers.
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Re: Big deal. (+1)
Barsteward 5 hours ago
errr... all this "unrest" is on his watch - why is he waiting for re-election before doing anything sensible - oh i forgot.. its Trump we are talking about
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what about whatabout?

Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

What about whatabout?
Deflection.
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Re: Big deal.
GameboyRMH 7 hours ago
Whatabout
Whatabout
Whatabout
ISM
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Sigh..... (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

Will the fully unbiased and reputable news source please raise your hand?
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Re: Big deal. (+1)
OMBad 9 hours ago
Bullshit. You aren't even American. FUCK OFF. You know nothing about America. And fuck off with "Daily Kos".
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Re: Big deal.
gtall 8 hours ago
Near as I can tell, that has happened once in Virginia (according to the NYT) yesterday. It seems to have amounted to about less than 10 people (judging from the picture) imitating the Whiner-in-Chief, the alleged president, and encouraging people to vote for him. Obnoxious yes, but the officials opened other doors so that voters could avoid them

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Re: Removing AC is my GOAL. Have a great KKK! (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

Nice, the toddler is now giving us multiple 20 consecutive swastika rolls.
This is why daddy should not have put a computer in little britches's bedroom.
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Invisibility versus censorship? (+1)
shanen 4 hours ago
Mod parent up, though you should have cut the troll's Subject while you were at it. In particular the focus on rendering the torllage less visible is sound.
However I think the problem is complicated and the only general solution approach I've been able to imagine so far would be some form of MEPR (Multidimensional Earned Public Reputation), with filtering trolls as one application. My own application would be to seek a balance of about 30 to 50 visible people who write interesting stuff for most of what I see... Unfortunately, I also think some people would use MEPR to block on the basis of supporting what they want to believe anyway.
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Re: Big deal. (0, Flamebait)
K. S. Kyosuke 11 hours ago
and paid to burn down cities and murder people who simply hold differing opinions
No, that was the US military in Iraq.
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Re: Big deal. (0, Troll)
Anonymous Coward 10 hours ago
No, those are the fresh generation of fatherless children of single mothers, and that's exactly what their dads are paying child support to provide. Pride in their status as victims. It's worst in the black community, where 70% of children have no fathers, and predictably learn their morals only from their mothers and social workers. Freud would have had a field day with all the resulting Oedipal nuttiness playing out in the streets.
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Re: Big deal. (-1)
Anonymous Coward 10 hours ago
How can you stand to see yourself in the mirror? You sub-human, crybaby animals are destroying and murdering in a pathetic attempt to force your fickle views on to others. You should be arrested, tried for sedition and executed, traitorous scum.

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Re: Big deal. (+1)

K. S. Kyosuke 9 hours ago
How can I be executed if my country doesn't have the death penalty? Hell, we don't even have sedition in our criminal code. Get on with the times.
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violent, insane mobs.
You sound like my uncle who spent his early years in the Hitler Youth and then served in an SS Spezialabteilung liquidating politically and racially undesirable people which is where the whole Trump movement is going to end, rampaging Trump supporters perpetrating pogroms and building gas chambers.

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Re: Big deal. (+1)

Barsteward 5 hours ago
errr... all this "unrest" is on his watch - why is he waiting for re-election before doing anything sensible - oh i forgot.. its Trump we are talking about

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Re: Big deal. (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

"Sorry but you are vastly outnumbered, nutjob. You'll learn that Americans want law and order when Trump gets reelected on November 3rd and we start arresting and prosecuting your violent, insane mobs"

Small comfort to those business owners who finds out that their insurance won't pay enough or at all when their buildings are burned down, on top of the contracters who charge as much as the building is worth just to haul the debris away.
I'm sick of Trump. I'm sick of the hate and division he has caused, I'm sick of his private torrettes moments when he says that he wants to use medieval style torture methods on illegal immigrants, and I am just sick of his extreme arrogance. No, I'm not posting any links here to cite this, because it's time you crawl out of your shell of ignorance and go look it up youself, hopefully finding out other things along the way of why your shiny knight is really rusted all over and cheaply painted up to hide the damage.
I am truly worried about what could very well happen on election night, to the point I've been telling my friends to stay home that night and get ready for some serious trouble and to guard their homes.

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what about whatabout?

Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago
What about whatabout?
Deflection.

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Re: Big deal.

GameboyRMH 8 hours ago

Whatabout
Whatabout
Whatabout
ISM
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Sigh..... (+1)

Malays2 bowman 21 minutes ago

Will the fully unbiased and reputable news source please raise your hand?

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Re: Big deal. (+1)

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The Aegis Combat System is an American integrated naval weapons system developed by the Missile and Surface Radar Division of RCA, and now produced by Lockheed Martin. It uses powerful computer and radar technology to track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets.


USS Lake Champlain, a Ticonderoga-class Aegis guided missile cruiser, launched in 1987. Beginning with USS Bunker Hill (CG-52), this version is equipped with the Mark 41 VLS, whereas earlier versions were equipped with the Mark-26 twin-arm missile launcher system.
Initially used by the United States Navy, Aegis is now used also by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, Spanish Navy, Royal Norwegian Navy, Republic of Korea Navy and Royal Australian Navy. Over 100 Aegis-equipped ships have been deployed. It is also part of NATO's European missile defence system.[1]

Etymology Edit

The word "Aegis" is a reference that dates back to Greek mythology, with connotations of a protective shield, as the Aegis was the buckler (shield) of Zeus, worn by Athena.[citation needed]

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Diagram of the Aegis Combat System (Baseline 2-6)
The Aegis Combat System (ACS) is an advanced command and control (command and decision, or C&D, in Aegis parlance) and weapon control system (WCS) that uses powerful computers and radars to track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets.

The ACS is composed of the Aegis Weapon System (AWS), the fast-reaction component of the Aegis Anti-Aircraft Warfare (AAW) capability, along with the Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS), and the Mark 41 Vertical Launch System.[2] Mk 41 VLS is available in different versions that vary in size and weight. There are three lengths: 209 in (5.3 m) for the self-defense version, 266 in (6.8 m) for the tactical version, and 303 in (7.7 m) for the strike version. The empty weight for an 8-cell module is 26,800 lb (12,200 kg) for the self-defense version, 29,800 lb (13,500 kg) for the tactical version, and 32,000 lb (15,000 kg) for the strike version, thus incorporating anti-submarine warfare (ASW) systems and Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM). Shipboard torpedo and naval gunnery systems are also integrated.

AWS, the heart of Aegis, comprises the AN/SPY-1 Radar, MK 99 Fire Control System, WCS, the Command and Decision Suite, and SM-2 Standard Missile family of weapons; these include the basic RIM-66 Standard, the RIM-67 extended range missile, and the newer RIM-161 designed to counter ballistic missile threats. A further SM-2 based weapon, the RIM-174 Standard ERAM was deployed in 2013. Individual ships may not carry all variants. Weapons loads are adjusted to suit assigned mission profile. The Aegis Combat System is controlled by an advanced, automatic detect-and-track, multi-function three-dimensional passive electronically scanned array radar, the AN/SPY-1. Known as "the Shield of the Fleet", the SPY high-powered (6 megawatt) radar is able to perform search, tracking, and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a track capacity of well over 100 targets at more than 100 nautical miles (190 km).[3] However the AN/SPY-1 Radar is mounted lower than the AN/SPS-49 radar system and so has a reduced radar horizon.[4]

The Aegis system communicates with the Standard missiles through a radio frequency (RF) uplink using the AN/SPY-1 radar for mid-course update missile guidance during engagements, but still requires the AN/SPG-62 radar for terminal guidance. This means that with proper scheduling of intercepts, a large number of targets can be engaged simultaneously.

The computer-based command-and-decision element is the core of the Aegis Combat System. This interface makes the ACS capable of simultaneous operation against almost all kinds of threats. The Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMD) program is intended to enable the Aegis system to act in a sea-based ballistic missile defense function, to counter short- and medium-range ballistic missiles of the variety typically employed by a number of potential opponent states. As of January, 2014, the US and Japan were the only countries to purchase or deploy the Aegis BMD.[5][6]

In December 2019, Lockheed Martin released a promotional video heralding the 50th anniversary of the Aegis combat system.[7]

Development Edit


USS Norton Sound in 1980. The installation containing the fixed radar arrays of the AN/SPY-1A system can be seen mounted at the top of the forward superstructure
Aegis was initially developed by the Missile and Surface Radar Division of RCA, which was later acquired by General Electric. The division responsible for the Aegis systems became Government Electronic Systems. This, and other GE Aerospace businesses, were sold to Martin Marietta in 1992.[8] This became part of Lockheed Martin in 1995.

By the late 1950s, the U.S. Navy replaced guns with guided missiles on its ships. These were sufficient weapons but by the late 1960s, the U.S. Navy recognized that reaction time, firepower, and operational availability in all environments did not match the anti-ship missile threat.[citation needed] The new threat of Soviet anti-ship missiles exposed a weakness in contemporary naval radar. The requirements of both tracking and targeting these missiles was limited by the number of radars on each ship, which was typically 2–4. In 1958 the navy started the Typhon Combat System, a prophetic program culminating in the futuristic but unreliable AN/SPG-59 phased array radar, which was never made viable and was canceled in 1963 to be replaced by the Advanced Surface Missile System (ASMS).[9]

As a result, the US Navy decided to develop a program to defend ships from anti-ship missile threats. An Advanced Surface Missile System (ASMS) was promulgated and an engineering development program was initiated in 1964 to meet the requirements.[10] ASMS was renamed "Aegis" in December 1969 after the aegis, the shield of the Greek god Zeus. The name was suggested by Captain L. J. Stecher, a former Tartar Weapon System manager, after an internal U.S. Navy contest to name the ASMS program was initiated. Captain Stecher also submitted a possible acronym of Advanced Electronic Guided Interceptor System although this definition was never used.[11] The main manufacturer of the Aegis Combat System, Lockheed Martin, makes no mention of the name Aegis being an acronym, nor does the U.S. Navy.

In 1970 then–Captain Wayne Meyer was named Manager Aegis Weapons System. Under his leadership the first systems were successfully deployed on various US Navy vessels.

The first Engineering Development Model (EDM-1) was installed in a test ship, USS Norton Sound, in 1973.[12] During this time frame, the Navy envisioned installing the Aegis Combat System on both a nuclear-powered "strike cruiser" (or CSGN) and a conventionally-powered destroyer (originally designated DDG 47). The CSGN was to be a new, 17,200 ton cruiser design based on the earlier California and Virginia-class cruisers. The Aegis destroyer design would be based on the gas turbine powered Spruance class. When the CSGN was cancelled, the Navy proposed a modified Virginia-class design (CGN 42) with a new superstructure designed for the Aegis Combat System and with a displacement of 12,100 tons. As compared to the CSGN, this design was not as survivable and had reduced command and control facilities for an embarked flag officer. Ultimately this design was also cancelled during the Carter Administration due to its increased cost compared to the non-nuclear DDG 47. With the cancellation of the CGN 42, the DDG 47 Aegis destroyer was redesignated as CG 47, a guided missile cruiser.

The first cruiser of this class was USS Ticonderoga, which used two twin-armed Mark-26 missile launchers, fore and aft. The commissioning of the sixth ship of the class, USS Bunker Hill opened a new era in surface warfare as the first Aegis ship outfitted with the Martin Marietta Mark-41 Vertical Launching System (VLS), allowing a wider missile selection, more firepower, and survivability. The improved AN/SPY-1B radar went to sea in USS Princeton, ushering in another advance in Aegis capabilities. USS Chosin introduced the AN/UYK-43/44 computers, which provide increased processing capabilities.

During 1980, a destroyer was designed using an improved sea-keeping hull form, reduced infrared and radar cross-sections, and upgrades to the Aegis Combat System. The first ship of the Arleigh Burke class, USS Arleigh Burke, was commissioned during 1991.

Flight II of the Arleigh Burke class, introduced in 1992, incorporated improvements to the SPY radar, and to the Standard missile, active electronic countermeasures, and communications. Flight IIA, introduced in 2000, added a helicopter hangar with one anti-submarine helicopter and one armed attack helicopter. The Aegis program has also projected reducing the cost of each Flight IIA ship by at least $30 million.

Aegis Open Architecture Edit
The Multi-Mission Signal Processor (MMSP) provides Anti-Air Warfare (AAW)/Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) multi-mission capability for the first 28 ships (DDGs 51–78) of the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyers as part of the Aegis Open Architecture Modernization Program. This capability will also be incorporated in USS John Finn and following new construction, and as well as Aegis Ashore. MMSP modifies transmitters of the SPY-1D radar to enable dual-beam operation for reduced frame times and better reaction time, and provides stability for all D(V) waveforms. The SPY-1 radar system detects, tracks, and supports engagements of a broader range of threats. MMSP improves performance in littoral, ducted clutter, electronic attack (EA), and chaff environments and provides greater commonality in computer programs and equipment.[13][14] This will result in the merger with Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System.[15]

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anonymous 2 years ago
Clowns are the protectors of the world. If you want to hurt or get rid of clowns it's because you want to enslave people and destroy the world. That's why I dislike this post. I wish I had the honor and humor of being a clown.

Getting real sick of this bandwagon clown hate this last decade. Go manicure your nails if you want a cool trend to jump on.
Hey! My mom was a clown! 2 years ago
[^] And when you get rid of clowns all that will be left is garbage and cement and lots and lots of meth. It makes me sick to think of.
anonymous 2 years ago
You need to eliminate the head clownnin the Oval Office. Then all clowns will turn into a big pile of maggots and rot away.
anonymous 2 years ago
" I wish I had the honor and humor of being a clown."

And some of us are genuinely scared of clowns, and will love to see the fuckers carted away to prison.
anonymous 2 years ago
^ I know that some of you are genuinely afraid of them and that's OK. A normal healthy society lives on if a natural amount of people are afraid of naturally strange things. And even if it's not a natural fear (ie: it was imprinted by some outside effort to make you afraid, rather than by some accidental trauma), you can't really help it.

But I also know that the ACME (Anti-Clown-Media-Empire) has been manufacturing a mass fear of clowns since the 1970s in order to destroy clowns' public image, and it has gotten really successful since those fake clown-murderer scares from around 2014. Supposedly even dressing as a clown for halloween can get you arrested or attacked by vigilantes now. And because of the rebranding as a horror object the clown economy is failing, clowns will eventually die out, and then they'll come for the mimes, the street performers, the independent artists, and we'll all be watching meth addict sex pests who only perform what big daddy ACME tells them to perform. (Seatbelts)

>>Everybody Hates Clowns
>>Why Don't You?
Is obvious appeal to authority to set a trend in place.
I can't know if OP is familiar with ACME or just unfortunately using its tactics by coincidence. But I know fish when I smell it.
anonymous 2 years ago
*appeal to authority -> Argumentum ad populum
or whatever fits.
Cheers!
anonymous 2 years ago
A lot of clowns look freakish and grotesque, and these are ones not trying to be scary. I mean wearing garish vomit inducing half/half shit, make up that twists their face into some demon hellspawn thing, and being annoying _at best_. There is a reason for coulrophobia (fear of clowns), and why the Killer Clown trope is so widely popular.

I don't have problem with clowns that are silly, but well toned down, but don't do the aforemntioned shit that really pushes people's buttons.

ACME is just another band of kooks, no different than religious fundies, that only morons listen to.
anonymous 2 years ago
"Getting real sick of this bandwagon clown hate this last decade."

I think the whole "Killer clown" trope started with the John Wayne Gacy murders in the late 70's and took off from there. I'm positive movies and books like Stephen King's "IT" was directly inspired by this case. Of course, most clowns aren't like this, and some even pointed out that the points at JWG's mouth were supposed to be rounded, not pointed as not to scare people.

But I do feel uneasy around clowns, as to many others, because to our ancient subconcious instincts, they look like dangerous predators
anonymous 2 years ago
Is this....for reals?????
anonymous 2 years ago
"But I also know that the ACME (Anti-Clown-Media-Empire) has been manufacturing a mass fear of clowns since the 1970s"

It sounds like this was a direct response to the John Wayne Gacy murders that happened at about the same time.

This is a lot like the "goth and gamers" witch hunts that happened right after Columbine. Apparently, playing Doom, wearing dark clothing, and listening to Marlyn Manson ment you were going to gun down your school chums, in the authorities eyes at least. :/
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Nice, the toddler is now giving us multiple 20 consecutive swastika rolls.
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"Ban the IP for life, ban the poster's account for life."
I'm not really a fan of shit banning, but I like the thought of the swastik-toddler getting presented with a giant image of vaguely creepy looking smiling clown saying "ah ah ahhh, only 18 or over to view this forum!" Maybe a fake "verify your age" with endless captcha "puzzles" that don't actually grant access to torture him with, like the ones another poster here keeps complaining about.
(maybe add some covert Javashit bitcoin miner if you really want to get sinister :O)

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anonymous 2 years ago
"But I also know that the ACME (Anti-Clown-Media-Empire) has been manufacturing a mass fear of clowns since the 1970s"

It sounds like this was a direct response to the John Wayne Gacy murders that happened at about the same time. This us also about the time the "killer clown" trope started taking off, with the beginning of the movie "Halloween" being possibly the first example, then evolving to IT's "Pennywise" and beyond.

I don't know why it surged so much in the past 10 years. Maybe because of an internet Creepypasta?

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Raymond Hill, known online as gorhill, has set the status of the uMatrix GitHub repository to archived; this means that it is read-only at the time and that no updates will become available.

The uMatrix extension is available for several browsers including Firefox, Google Chrome, and most Firefox and Chromium-based browsers. It is a privacy and security extensions for advanced users that provides firewall-like capabilities when it is installed...

Hill suggests that developers could fork the extension to continue development under a new name. There is also the chance that Hill might resume development in the future but there is no guarantee that this is going to happen.

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That is my most used extension, although I can see where it overlaps with uBlock Origin, I still use both. The control when u need it is superb.
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What sort of stuff does it do that uBlock doesn't with the advanced mode turned on?
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uMatrix is more granular. You can allow/deny cookies/css/images/media/scripts/xhr/frames per subdomain.
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Raymond Hill is the author of uBlock Origin, don't confuse it with uBlock.
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Aighearach 2 hours ago
It is shocking that you still don't know, it has been explained numerous times just in slashdot comments, and all over the web.
If you don't know what it does, that means you allow cross-site scripting all the time, by everybody.
The good news is, it doesn't need active development, it is already complete. If the browsers break it, a fork with minor fixes will be needed.
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It's one of my most used extensions too and certainly my most interacted with extension since I have everything but first party resources (minus cookies) blocked by default, so there are usually a few things I need to enable for each new site I visit. I don't really see a problem in development being halted though as it's already complete and has been for some time.
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Same. Not sure what I’ll fall back to. I already have uBlock Origin for easier rules about specific DOM elements. I guess I’ll have to do my best to transcribe my filter settings from uMatrix into it, since I currently block everything by default except for first-party content.
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I love this extension, it's the only one I know of that can do what it does. Being able to block per resource type and domain is critical.
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I love umatrix - it works very well with Ublock Origin and gives great control. Anyone can recommend an alternative that would be as easy to use and provide a similar level of fine grained control?
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I've heard some people talk about using NoScript for similarly fine-grained control beyond what uBlock Origin offers, though I think it's just for JS stuff, not domain access in general.

If I were a user (personally, I'm not motivated enough to go beyond uBlock Origins, though perhaps I should've, at least for my most heavily-visited websites), I'd continue to stick with uMatrix and hope someone forks it at some point. Assuming it wasn't discontinued due to imminent compatibility issues--and it didn't sound like it was--I'd assume it would continue to work for at least a few more years. And regarding security bugs, I doubt its attack vector potential is very high, especially vs. the security gains its offers.
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GameboyRMH 7 hours ago
uMatrix does everything I used to need a fleet of addons to do in one convenient interface, if I could only have one Firefox addon, this would be it.
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The problem is FireFox, Pale Moon is much better and runs Raymond Hill's add-ons too.
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Where is the money to fund these amazing projects?
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Billionaires tend to be financially hurt by ad blocking and loss of central control that uMatrix and its siblings provide.
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I'm not sure why it's important the uMatrix is updated. The software works and is stable, there hasn't been a real update since 2019 (Since then all that happened was shifting the default list feed and adding autoupdate functionality to Firefox.). .
Basically, this is people bemoaning the lack of new shineys in something that works and doesn't need them.
As long as security isn't at risk and no browser updates force compatibility issues, it should continue to work, and need updates, just as often under this new no-maintenance plan as otherwise.
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I agree that people treating this as an immediate death knell is a bit silly. I don't see any rush to abandon or replace it.

That said, Mozilla has been cavalier about breaking extensions in the past and there could be bugs (security or otherwise) moving forward. Bit rot is a thing. It's not an immediate threat, but it is a long term threat.
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I'm not sure why it's important the uMatrix is updated.
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That these extentions have to exist because even big reputable companies can't be trusted to not abuse their users in every which way possible.
Yes, "trusted", the same guys that expect us to let them hold all of the keys. The only one I trust is myself, and I view anyone who tries to usurp my control and force me to "trust" them as a hostile threat.
"Trust" has been perverted and twisted into "We are in control, not you".
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I hate those short very young power tripping "women". Or at least I think she is, but she looks 10 years old.

I swear, if she was any smaller, she would need the baby seat.
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Ariel Spencer
No cell phone usage because we don't want to be found out about our fraud.
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LeDeskripshun
She's mad bc the system is designed destroy men and father's ability to take care of their children
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Thomas Godwin
"you can't record here"= "I don't want to to be held accountable for my actions."
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D Summer
Abusive woman scared of getting caught on camera throws tantrum and verbal abuse.
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ask the Etruscans
Your rights cannot be violated by some arbitrary code that they put in their building. Always record!
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FZR650
It states “no cell phone”. Good, turn the cell phone on airplane mode and continue recording. Your cell phone is now just a camera!
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K G
YOU CAN RECORD IN ANY GOVERNMENT BUILDING !!! IF ITS GOVERNMENT THEN IT'S PUBLIC'S !! KNOW YOUR LAWS & RIGHTS !!!
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If it's a public building you can record.
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Mr Glock23
"their" rules don't over ride the Constitution.
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Yirmyah Fox
The child support system is a major scam to steal money from tax payers.
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your life is your fault.
Policy is not law..there is a difference
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Simpson Services
Only Criminals Fear the camera. Why is the police and CPS scared of a camera?
The Constitution ARE THE LAW not some plastic sign. The Peoples Constitutional Rights SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Rules ARE NOT LAWS
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Fixedguitar
I wholeheartedly agree with this man and his methods.
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HOMESTEAD OUTLAW
No cell phone use is their policy for their employees it is not law
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A sign on a wall doesn't quantify as a law in a government facility.
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Erik Burleson
The child support system is always out to screw the person paying child support. I understand you have a kids and obligations to take care of your kids.
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F Dc
Do you ever note how many females work in Child Support Offices..?
Men don’t have a chance...
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Sir I can’t infringe upon your rights when you’re recording me, can you turn that off?
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david farmer
that's why they don't want you to record so its their word against yours so they can make up lies to benefit them selves
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The whole system is corrupt and they dont like being caught out
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I bet she is one of those TURF ultra feminist wYmYn.

We don't need these rabid man haters working in a child support office, but they are all run by man haters

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She's mad bc the system is designed destroy men and father's ability to take care of their children
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Mr. Veridical
"Destroy the family." One of the major parts of demoralizing a nation. The welfare state also helps accomplish this.
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Brian Mino
She is a demon!
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"you can't record here"= "I don't want to to be held accountable for my actions."
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Thomas Godwin sorry officer, something has me doubting the body cam footage will ever see court
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But they have cameras for security reasons
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Pretty much says it all.
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Smokey Mayrand
That woman doesn't want to be caught in a lie
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Abusive woman scared of getting caught on camera throws tantrum and verbal abuse.
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Your rights cannot be violated by some arbitrary code that they put in their building. Always record!
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It states “no cell phone”. Good, turn the cell phone on airplane mode and continue recording. Your cell phone is now just a camera!
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It's not a cell phone it's a smart phone.
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Doesn't even matter policy is not law
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goldie sincity
F ZR that's the reason they say no cell phones its also includes the camera ,recording , the other reason is no interruptions with phone calls or ringing phones , it's still stupid to me unless your in the court part of the building then i agree it should not be allowed .that's why you can't let them know what your doing fuck it there all crooked anyway.
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Nick K
I like it.
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Cassandra Brown
They full of shit they all need to burn in hell
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YOU CAN RECORD IN ANY GOVERNMENT BUILDING !!! IF ITS GOVERNMENT THEN IT'S PUBLIC'S !! KNOW YOUR LAWS & RIGHTS !!!
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YouCantFoolMe
You're wrong. Being a pubpic building doesn't determine if you can record.

States have laws that determine if you can record.

They're called "Two-Party Consent laws".

There is no Federal law that allows you to record in a State or Federal building...or anywhere for that matter.

Also, there is no Federal law that gives you the "right" to so so either.

Stop spreading your ignorance.
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Nick K
@YouCantFoolMe actually....State statutes can't abrogate Federal laws. The first amendment allows him to record is a public/government building. (See Glik v. Cunniffe, 2011)
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YouCantFoolMe
@Nick K Actually, you're citing precedent that established that a person can record "police" performing their "duties" in a public place.

That does not establish the ability for a person to do that anywhere they want.

Sorry, but you're wrong. States still have the authority to determine those laws in situations like this.
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YouCantFoolMe
@Nick K Another thing, that ruling was based on the "video", not the "audio".

States (at least some) have two party consent laws in the books that require the consent of all parties involved in the conversation.

Just a few are CA, NH, MA, FL, PA
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Nick K
@YouCantFoolMe was he not recording police? Isn't that argument??
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Nick K
@YouCantFoolMe and it's cool, I can tell that no matter what I state...I'm wrong lol. So I won't go back and forth, but that fact of the matter is he can record. He won't be arrested for the act of recording.... disturbing the peace, maybe. But a company policy is not the same as positive law. Can't argue with success, people simply don't catch cases for recording. A Title IV-D agency does operate as a business in contract with the state, but the building they operate out of is in fact County/State ran...He can legally record.

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Nick K
@YouCantFoolMe Audio and Video will run under the same green light. It's a recording either way.
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YouCantFoolMe
@Nick K You're wrong. State statutes specifically refer to audio recording, which fall under wiretapping guidelines.

Video guidelines are not considered the same. You don't even have to be an attorney to know this.

A simple search will show the different audio recording vs video recording laws.

Look it up for yourself
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YouCantFoolMe
@Nick K Uh, the lady he was talking to is not police.
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@YouCantFoolMe the 1st amendment does. You can record in the PUBLIC areas of government buildings.
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If it's a public building you can record.
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"their" rules don't over ride the Constitution.
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If only they knew that
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The child support system is a major scam to steal money from tax payers.
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Paul Lopez
Not to mention it is set mainly to get the attorney general reelected. "I have got thos much money from fathers or I put this many "dead-beat fathers in jail.", is their most used election speeches.
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Missy Victoria
Dangrabat - You said a mouth-full. Lot (if not most) of the time, they do much more damage than, good. Hell, they'll hire anybody. Like police depts.. TSA, etc. Any moron w a pulse.
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Dangrabat you’re probably a deadbeat parent that hasn’t paid his or her child support
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c b
I so happy I'm done with child support agency...Some of the dumbest fucking people I've ever dealt with in my life.
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fwacfred
A policy is not law. If it is a public place then you have the right to record.
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Mike N.
Its only a scam to deadbeats.
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Catten Whisperer
No it’s to take care of kids when deadbeat dads don’t support their fucking kids
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jane faulkner
Child support system, is a legal money laundering racket for the state.
Work how much revenue it recovers to how much it pays out in support, and to what it cost to run said system.

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Nonya FknBusiness
Its not about stealing money from tax payers. Its about abusing men. Its about enslaving men. Its about Jobs for Woman. Thats pretty much it.
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@Mike N. Its only legitimate to those who benefit from it.
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I suspect she is one of those loony left voters. Maybe inundate her with facts and logic, and she will either repent or start swinging like an ape instead.

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I bet the OP was pissed that his mom refused to fulfill his diaper and room lock up fetish fantasies. Even worse, she told the OP to get a job! =O

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^scince no girl would ever touch his pee pee*, maybe he got desperate and tried to get his mom to do it 'accidently'. "Mom! I'm having trouble with my pants zipper!". But she was wise and instead had big Hillbilly Bubba from next door come in and zip his pants for him.**

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I know the feeling. I burned a giant heart into the lawn of someone I had a crush on, but it didn't work!

Then I tried phone calls in the middle of the night, hand written letters stuffed into her mailbox daily and at all hours, and leering at her while passing by several times as I'm driving my windowless van, but nothing seems to work!

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Men, women- I punch them all in the jawl. What can I say? Some guys just love to do that

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"Ugh. I cant stand wamen! I sent this girl im had a crush on of my dick"

I know the feeling. I burned a giant heart into the lawn of someone I had a crush on, but it didn't work!

Then I tried phone calls in the middle of the night, hand written letters stuffed into her mailbox daily and at all hours, and leering at her while passing by several times as I'm driving my windowless van, but nothing seems to work!

What could I be doing wrong that makes her not want to be with me?

Oh well, there is always tomorrow. I'll try sifting through her garbage to see if I can find out anything that can help me.

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Just identify as a woman then shame her into likening your "girl dick", that's socially acceptable today, right?
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"Just identify as a woman then shame her into likening your "girl dick", that's socially acceptable today, right?"

But how does that help with "wAman"?

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In an interview with the Financial Times, Nick Clegg, the company's head of global affairs, said it had drawn up plans for how to handle a range of outcomes, including widespread civic unrest or "the political dilemmas" of having in-person votes counted more rapidly than mail-in ballots, which will play a larger role in this election due to the coronavirus pandemic. "There are some break-glass options available to us if there really is an extremely chaotic and, worse still, violent set of circumstances," Mr Clegg said, though he stopped short of elaborating further on what measures were on the table. The proposed actions, which would probably go further than any previously taken by a US platform, come as the social media group is under increasing pressure to lay out how it plans to combat election-related misinformation, voter suppression and the incitement of violence on the November 3 election day and during the post-election period.
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"Oh Gosh darn, Trump won but Facebook won't let me communicate. I'll just stay home and knit a very angry sweater"
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theJavaMan 10 hours ago
Now the agitators will move to private encrypted chat networks, and the honest people will be in the dark until the chaos is on their doorstep. It will keep everyone on edge and ultimately be counterproductive.
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Now the agitators will move to private encrypted chat networks, ...

I initially read that as "alligators" ... I think I either need way more or way less coffee.

[ and now I want to see alligators using Facebook ]
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raymorris 9 hours ago
I think you had a good idea with less coffee.
We've had enough drama for 2020. Let's all have way less coffee and chill the heck out. Let's all agree - let's not have chaos and violence just because some politician didn't win, alright? No matter who wins the election, it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?
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fahrbot-bot 9 hours ago
I think you had a good idea with less coffee.
We've had enough drama for 2020. Let's all have way less coffee and chill the heck out. Let's all agree - let's not have chaos and violence just because some politician didn't win, alright? No matter who wins the election, it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?

Okay, but what about the alligators? :-)
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LynnwoodRooster 9 hours ago
Some of us live on saltwater and deal with crocodiles, you insensitive clod!
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cayenne8 6 hours ago
How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?

That would be the dream, but we pretty much saw that go out the window about 4+ years ago.

By the way, when did the "tags" you could add to stories disappear from the Slashdot home page?

This one was screaming for a "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag....
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raymorris 5 hours ago
I've watched it go down hill since Bork, mostly (not that everything was rosy before that, but the people who did that knew they were starting a lasting war, and acknowledged that fact internally).
Be that as it may, I'm going to do my part to help keep the discourse civil and remember we're all in this together, and we all want what's best for America. Those who want different policies than I do want those policies because they genuinely believe they are best for the country, not because they are evil bastards. Also, their policy ideas DO have their benefits, which I will benefit from, even if they also have disadvantages and I would choose differently.
Whichever politicians win this November (and they are all politicians), let's try to work together.
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How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?
Easy for you to say since, with COVID out of the news and mail-in voting being questioned, your guy will win.
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raymorris 4 hours ago
I rather doubt my guy will win, since my guy isn't running.
Between the teo that are running? I'm not too excited about either Tweedledee or Tweedledum, so no, nobody I like is going to win.
Polls suggest a Biden landslide is entirely possible, but that's certainly not guaranteed.
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Anonymouse Cowtard 4 hours ago
It'll come down to voter turnout. If Trump can suppress the vote enough he can win. If he loses, but it's close, they could well end up in court for a long time.
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Mixmaster Bri 3 hours ago
Can we all be grown-ups before and during the election too? That would solve all of the issues.
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Joce640k 2 hours ago
it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
Yeah, but one of them might be Donald Trump.
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Osprey808 7 hours ago
So to be clear, you endorse the idea of political censorship and forcing "unpopular" viewpoints off the mainstream internet? Do you support every single domain name registrar refusing to host the Daily Stormer? Is Tor a sufficient enough forum for the political dissident?
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nomadic 7 hours ago
Can't speak for them, but I sure do.
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cayenne8 6 hours ago
Unpopular speech often is the speech that needs to be protected the most.

That has proven true since the start of the US.

You never know what speech will become "unpopular" in the future.....and it has changed since the beginning of our country.

And yes, not only does it need to be kept on the govt level, but also on the private level. The "public square" has moved in large part online, and we need to bring that notion of the public square along with that move.
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shanen 7 hours ago
Quite an incoherent FP. Your Subject is obviously ironic, but your body vaguely waves at two of the real issues. The actual discussion seems to be all over the place. So as usual, I'm left in a vacuum trying to clarify my own thoughts. I do see some linkage from one my thoughts to something in that FP, but it's a stretch... Not really blaming you, because that's how Slashdot 2020 works. There's a race condition on FP that favors such comments. My not-quite-initial thoughts (after a few searches in the discussion):
(1) Encouraging violence and making threats is illegal. Assault and battery are separate crimes.
(2) If Facebook supports assault, then it should be regarded as an accessory to the crime of assault. The convenience of the tool for committing assault on a larger scale is a secondary issue, but if you're talking to idiots, then the convenience can become crucial. (Which is the link to the FP. The people the "agitators" want to reach are not so smart and would find it difficult to use sophisticated tools, whereas any moron can read Facebook and Facebook even provides tools to reach out and find more morons. (Ditto Twitter, TikTok and some other channels.))
(3) Facebook doesn't care if your engagement is positive or negative, as long as it is marketable. (I personally addressed that problem by disengaging from Facebook. Not completely, but I'm quite close to zero Facebook now.)
(4) Telling with people with guns to get ready to shoot other people is bad. Unless you sell guns, in which case you're loving it.
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nomadic 7 hours ago
"Sunlight disinfects, and protects."
The past four years and the growth of insane conspiracy theorizing among 30% of the U.S. population proves that is absolutely and utterly untrue.
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The insane ones are created to distract you away from the real ones.
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infolation 4 hours ago
Plus, don't mention Disinfectant, Sunlight, or anything Bleach / UV-related in connection with the Presidential Election.

Covid's dangerous enough already.
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Anonymouse Cowtard 4 hours ago
Don't forget the people who died after drinking fish tank cleaner (chloroquine phosphate).
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Berkyjay 6 hours ago
As if his knuckle dragging followers would even know how to access such networks.
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Mr. Dollar Ton 10 hours ago
Without a good idea of what "Facebook" understands as "extreme cirumstances", "chaos", "civil unrest", it is quite hard to fathom what they'll do.
One thing is certain, though, anything that harms their bottom line they will avoid, and everything that brings more revenue they will try to implement, and abstractions like "democracy", "human and civil rights", "freedom of expression" and the like will be among the least important factors determining what they actually do.
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To Facebook, "chaos" in the election would be defined as every eligible voter casting a ballot for the candidate of their choice.
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fleeped 9 hours ago
Very well said. Applies to many more actors than facebook though.
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FB candidate loses - Passes FB chaos threshold (+1)
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How realistic is it when company X says "If measure Y, then I'm going to do Z" when Y cannot be measured and Z is not defined?
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Rob Y. 9 hours ago
You'd think with all the false flag operations - as well as the 'legitimate' use of Facebook's platform to quietly target lies to specific groups of voters, that they'd realize chaos has already descended. To say nothing of their admitted ineffective measures to block QAnon conspiracies. If they can't identify rantings about baby sex rings and cannibalism, they're probably not doing so well with subtler stuff...
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Anonyrnous 6 hours ago
Yeah, we obviously need to block people talk about child sex rings. As if that's a thing.
https://www.canberratimes.com....
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
https://www.news.com.au/nation...
https://www.fox23.com/news/tre...
https://www.perthnow.com.au/ne...
https://www.azfamily.com/news/...
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i'm probably drunk 8 hours ago
Anything other than "Biden winning" probably fits the definition
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reg 8 hours ago
Funny, I only see Facebook doing things to support Trump... They certainly worked very hard for him in 2016.
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See the overall issue.

Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump's Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes.
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Lord Kano 7 hours ago
Funny, I only see Facebook doing things to support Trump... They certainly worked very hard for him in 2016.
Right leaning pages have been and are being purged at a surprising pace.
On a political page that I run, articles about the previous behavior of Biden and Harris have been flagged for being old. Well, of course they're old. How in the fuck else are we supposed to make reference to their activities in the past?
LK
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guruevi 7 hours ago
Facebook was fairly biased in the previous election as well, they blocked plenty of right-wing content. It only worked for Trump because Trump was better than Hillary at the social media game. Clinton didn't even have a dedicated social media team in her campaign, whereas Trump did.
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rmdingler 2 hours ago
Comment On point:
Look at a thousand of the millions of Facebook ads Donald Trump has run, and it’s hard to believe that they represent a winning strategy. They recycle the same imagery and themes, over and over: Trump, photoshopped in front of a flag, points a finger. Trump claps before an audience. Trump gives a thumbs-up, or smiles at a microphone. Each image is washed in patriotic red or blue. The text almost always issues a call to action: Buy this hat, sign this petition, RSVP to this rally.

They are notable only in their banality, and in their sheer volume. During the 2016 election cycle, Trump’s team ran 5.9 million ads on Facebook, spending $44 million from June to November alone. Hillary Clinton’s campaign ran only 66,000.
Someone in the President's camp properly estimated the importance of the Facebook in reaching the target number of voters much better than the managers of Hillary's campaign. Interesting article in the Atlantic.
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incredibale an hour ago
It's kinda disturbing that so many people, like you, can say things like that in an apparent lack of self-awareness.
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Mr. Dollar Ton 7 hours ago
Why? Trump works very hard for Cuckerberg.
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Osprey808 7 hours ago
It's not hard to fathom what they'll do at all. They'll censor the right and become an mouthpiece for the Democrat party. They might as well put out a press statement volunteering to be the the Democrats Pravda.
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guruevi 7 hours ago
Well, we see civil unrest now, but Facebook isn't blocking the agitators. So it must mean that if Biden steals the election and Trump supporters protest THEN Facebook will step in and block only those people.
In the mean time, Antifa is using the platform to recruit and propagandize for its own terrorist agenda right now and Facebook isn't doing squat.
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demonlapin 6 hours ago
I mean, Biden might steal the election, but I doubt he's that competent. Maybe Harris can pull it off, but she's probably too smart to do that now. Wait a few years, run in 2024 on an anti-Trump landslide. It's not even remotely in her interest to trade being the junior senator from California for the shitshow that being a VP is, especially if you're going to be Biden's VP. I'm still surprised that Trump was able to talk Pence into the job; governor of Indiana isn't a job you get by collecting bottle caps.
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AmiMoJo 6 hours ago
After last time they are probably worried about being regulated or even shut down. If your platform becomes a threat to democracy and part of an armed coup it tends not to do your stock price much good.
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trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the (+1)
Joe_Dragon 10 hours ago
trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the fcc to have an on line EAS.
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Turn off the popularity contest. (+2)

Fly Swatter 10 hours ago

And by that I mean likes and dislikes. Also hide friending and unfriending from public view. Let everyone have their say on their own face page.

What's that? It breaks your revenue model? Oh well.

Do the same to twitter, but I guess that shuts down twitter - what a loss.
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shanen 7 hours ago
Mod parent up? Or maybe not, because you forgot the magic word "engagement". However it does remind me of that joke genre that is still failing to catch on...
"All your base are belong to us." -- Zero Wing
"All your attentions is belong to us." -- Google
"All your engagement are belong to us." -- Facebook
"All your shoppings is belong to us." -- Amazon
"All your sexy toys is belong to us." -- Apple
"All your sex toy are belong to us." -- Pornhub
"All your computer are belong to us." -- Microsoft
"All your... Uh, what was the question again?" -- IBM
It's supposed to be a joke genre about the special foci of various corporate cancers. Obviously I better not give up my day job to write more jokes. Oh, wait...
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Facebook doesn't want to fix the problem (+3, Insightful)
RobinH 10 hours ago
The thing is Facebook profits from the problem, so they have no interest in fixing the root cause. I watched the new documentary called "The Social Dilemma" on Netflix, and while there's nothing too surprising in it that someone on Slashdot wouldn't already know, it did make me think about the economics around false information. When Facebook or Youtube shows someone the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole, such as anti-vaxxer, pizza-gate, QAnon content, etc., it's a very clear signal that these users are very easily influenced by any information regardless of credibility. Many political organizations, including foreign ones, and even some advertisers pay top dollar to access these users because they're the easiest to influence. A lot of the content that are then pushed on these users are also fake, but Facebook and Google make lots of money from it. So they claim they're doing things to stop it, but they only want to appear to be doing something. Actually stopping it is counter to their financial interest. It's no different than a casino telling us they should be trusted to reduce the number of slot machines.
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Restrict internet communications in case of unrest (+1)
halaloszt0 10 hours ago
Where did we see this pattern? China? Belarus?
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Re: Restrict internet communications in case of unr (+2)
Powercntrl 9 hours ago
False equivalence - this isn't the government shutting down free speech. This is like a hotel telling a furry convention to GTFO because their behavior became too disruptive. (And yeah, that's actually happened)
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halaloszt0 8 hours ago
How you know it is not the government?
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Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

How do you know it is?
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We're already there (+1)
Powercntrl 9 hours ago
At a polling location in Virginia, Trump supporters were allegedly intimidating voters. Source.
This election looks to be very messy, so press that button, Zuck...
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smooth wombat 9 hours ago
It's called voter intimidation and it's illegal. But that won't stop the con artist from encouraging it or encouraging his supporters to vote twice, which also happens to be illegal. But since when did being a criminal ever stop the con artist?
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They're already doing voter intimidation (+1)
rsilvergun 9 hours ago
See here. The cops (very slowly) made them move. They're still out there making threats. My understanding is that it's much worse in the South.
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Re: We're already there (+4, Informative)
michaelwigle 9 hours ago
From your article:

"At least two dozen supporters of the US president held “Trump - Pence” placards and waved American flags, about 100 feet from the entrance to the polling location."

Note the distance. That is standard protocol. Every election there are people for and against candidates at the prescribed distance from polling stations to make their last stand. That's why the article was full of "qualifying" words like "appeared" to be blocking. If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up. I walk past Democrats doing the same thing all the time because I'm in a heavy Democratic area. But I don't go asking to be escorted despite the fact that Democratic officials have actually publicly encouraged harassment of those who disagree with them. It's a non-story.
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Powercntrl 9 hours ago
If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up.
Trump ejects folks from his rallies who attempt to hold up signs that criticize him. Perhaps he needs to grow up, too?
Maybe we have stricter laws in my neck of the woods, because I've never seen loud obnoxious supporters that close to a polling location. They'll usually be on a street corner on a road leading up to the place - but the entire parking area and the building itself is completely off-limits to any form of political speech.
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LynnwoodRooster 9 hours ago
There's a bit of a difference between being inside a rally and being 100 feet from the entrance of a polling location...
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michaelwigle 7 hours ago
Not to mention Democrats expel Republicans from their rallies too. None of this is one-sided.
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Powercntrl 6 hours ago
Actually, this is how Obama handled it. If you can't stand to watch a video with Obama, the short of it is he tells the crowd to chill and respect the Trump supporter's right to free speech.
Imagine that.
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michaelwigle 5 hours ago
I have no more trouble watching Obama than I do Trump. They're both politicians who say they are great and their opponent is awful. Obama is just slicker in his presentation.
So, a single old white guy with a Trump sign managed to garner enough attention in a huge auditorium that it caused Obama to stop and deal with the matter? That seemed a bit strange to me. Then I found a Times article about the incident which mentions:
"But on Friday, instead of calling for the man’s removal or heckling him back as he’s done in the past, the Obama told the crowd he deserved their respect and urged them to vote instead of boo."
https://time.com/4559072/barac...
Call me a tin foil hatter but that looks like a staged incident to me.
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Anonymous Coward 27 minutes ago
Yes, you sound EXACTLY like a tin foil hatter.
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Powercntrl 7 hours ago
There's functionally not much difference. Someone sitting in the nosebleeds quietly holding up a sign isn't impeding the rally in any form, other than by upsetting folks who don't want to see an opposing viewpoint.
Perhaps you're suggesting that the proper location for such forms of protest should be outside the rally, completely out of view? I absolutely agree - and the loud obnoxious supporters at the polling location should be held to the same standard. Shout and hold up signs somewhere else.
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fenrif 7 hours ago
What is wrong with that?
Does the opposition allow people into it's rallies who are solely their to disrupt and harangue the speaker?
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Look a little further into it (+2)
rsilvergun 9 hours ago
and you'll find there weren't the "standard distance" until the cops showed up and made them. They were blocking people in places.
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Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago
"A county election official, Gary Scott, said that the protest was about 100 feet from the building entrance where voters cast their ballot early. Contrary to some initial reports, the protesters had not blocked access to the polling station, he said."
https://www.businessinsider.com/virginia-trump-supporters-intimidated-voters-disrupt-early-voting-2020-9
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michaelwigle 7 hours ago
Actually, I can't find any trace of that claim anywhere. All I see is chanting 4 more years from a distance. Now, the line may very well have gone past the perimeter required by that State. But even at that there's nobody saying there was actual confrontation or blocking. Just support of their candidate.
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Re: We're already there (-1)
Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago
Yeah but the Biden voters were all terrified.
I mean they've all allready died once!
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago
It's not a non-story, America likes to push democracy around the globe, and yet it has one of the most unhealthy democracies on the planet.
Countries with healthy democracies don't allow any campaigning on polling day, whether 100ft from the polling station or not, it's just not allowed - the only thing that's typically allowed is encouraging people to go out and vote, but not for any specific candidate.
This sort of thing along with things like removing the ability to issue dictats without consent of elected houses, removing political appointments to the judiciary, improving proportionality of representation are all desperately needed in the US to help halt this continuous slide towards greater partisanship and authoritarianism where the public vote falls by the wayside.
Everyone in America knows this, they just turn a blind eye to it when it's their guys that are taking advantage of it, meanwhile the health of America's democracy continues to slide into a pool of shit.
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Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago

Yeah, someone needs to arrest those "rioters" and "looters".
Hey, swords cut both ways fuckers.
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guruevi 7 hours ago
They sure should, except these Trump supporters did nothing wrong. Later news of that event notes that there was no wrong doing.
In the mean time, leftists ACTUALLY attack and kill Trump supporters and are celebrated for it
https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/...
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guruevi 7 hours ago
At polling locations elsewhere, Democrats ACTUALLY attack people: https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
In the mean time, Democrats in Portland ACTUALLY killed a Trump supporter
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If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)
Rick Schumann 9 hours ago
..then you're fucking up.
Too bad we can't get that through peoples' heads.
In many ways Facebook has become the new AOL. Did you know that, apparently, AOL is still around? I had no idea. There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore! Amazing, isn't it? But, functionally-speaking, it appears that Facebook has taken on the role AOL used to play: people seem to get their news and information from Facebook; wouldn't put it past some people on Facebook to believe, like the legacy of AOL users who still apparently exist, that without Facebook they would be lost.
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CaptAubrey 9 hours ago
OMG, you hit the nail on the head. Who the hell cares what Zuck does? Facebook is a parasite on the world and just needs to be ignored. If FB plans for the election cause you heartburn or an elevated blood pressure, you have really got to rethink how you are engaging in civil society. It's a website, that's all; it's not some oracle of info or some omnipotent source of power.
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CaptnCrud 8 hours ago
Spot on. The people your talking about are basically smartphone users (they probably rarely use their computer...if they even have one), these people don't use the web, they use "apps".
The people haven't changed, these are the same lazy people that get their info from glances at print headlines without reading the articles...or word of mouth from peers, and that was good enough for them. Nothing has changed except the medium, if they didn't have facebook it would be something else.
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Rick Schumann 4 hours ago
Remember a user here who went by the handle 'sexconker'? He'd humorously post anonymously about 'apps' and the people using them being 'cattle', essentially. Turns out he wasn't wrong, stet?
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Except... (+1)
dark.nebulae 9 hours ago
Aren't we pretty much there already?
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Not Far Fetched (-1)
quantaman 9 hours ago
Consider the following scenarios:
1) Trump is up on election night (in person votes) but falls behind when all the mail in ballots are counted and refuses to concede.
2) Trump wins outright, but it quickly emerges that a disproportionate (and decisive) number of ballots from Democratic areas never got counted for various reasons.
Neither is unlikely, add what looks like the GOPs insistence on filling RBG's seat as they're booted out of power and there's a fairly high likelihood of violence.
The problem is they've forgotten the point of Democracy, it's not about choosing who's in charge, it's about creating a set of rules that everyone agrees to.
Remember 2000? Al Gore not only won the US Popular Vote, but he was preferred by:
- Most Floridians (including disenfranchised felons)
- By most Floridians who should have been allowed to vote (black Floridians who were wrongly disenfranchised by an administration run by Bush's brother),
- By most Floridians who did vote (a poorly designed ballot caused thousands to vote for Buchanan instead of Gore by mistake).
The only way that Gore lost Florida and the Presidency is by a strict application of the rules set out beforehand giving him Bush the move valid ballots in Florida, and so Gore conceded.
As he should have, because maintaining that set of rules was more important than winning power.
Now the GOP is embracing a strategy of changing the rules on the fly. The problem with fixing the rules of the game is that people eventually stop playing the game. Applied to politics that means Trump and the GOP are literally putting your country at risk of a civil war.
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Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago

...literally...
Go back to twitterland.
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quantaman 7 hours ago
...literally...
Go back to twitterland.
Do you think your constitution has some kind of magical powers that prevent a major conflict?
I'd say the chance of a serious wave or unrest is at least 50%, almost certain if one of those "fuzzy" outcomes occurs on Nov. 4th.
An actual civil war? 10% is too high, though 1% is probably too low. People were warning of the risks of pandemics for years and that was crazy talk until January. Even in early March where all the information was there people still didn't clue in until things hit the fan.
The unimaginable can and regularly does happen. Your country is in an extremely risky place.
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The cost of prevention? (+1)
shanen 7 hours ago
Only mention of "prevent" in the discussion and no visible mention of "prevention".
So is Facebook going to pay for the pound of cure?
I didn't think so. But I'm beginning to understand why China and Europe are getting so hostile towards Facebook.
However, I think the actual criminals are the people encouraging the violence, not just the people who get around to performing the violence on behalf of those criminals. Making threats used to be illegal? Aren't the threats alone sufficient cause to investigate them and justify blocking their access to the tools they want to use to encourage violence?
Or am I being stupid to ignore the threats and vote anyway? And why hasn't my ballot arrived yet? It was supposed to have been mailed to me on the 18th.
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Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago

Russian subversion's goal is to undermine elections and all public institutions so nothing is trusted; including your neighbors. Such a society no longer functions as a society and is weak.
Trump's lifelong tactics which he mastered from his mentor, the evil Roy Cohan (the man behind McCarthy's witch hunt, killing the Rosenbergs who were scapegoats, the wife later was admitted to not be guilty but Roy stuck with never being wrong.... just like trump with the central park 5. )
Trump's the perfect Russian asset. fact. They don't even need to handle him, just promote him from the sides; not that a wife with communist party ties who is fluent in Russian hurts any... Or tons of business connections with your actual Russian agents... like Trumps lawyer's partners or his criminally guilty advisors... Or the fact that during almost 0% interest loans following the housing collapse, Trump corp broke from real-estate industry religion and payed in cash! (excuse was they didn't want to bother and had so much $ coming in... which any sane person would use to get bigger loans.) True, Trump couldn't get loans from anybody due to him being a massive failure, but Deutsche Bank would still give him loans so he could have done even more business. BTW, Deutsche Bank was caught many years later laundering massive amounts of Russian money. Oh, also of interest is that 1 exec in charge of such things (but of course no execs get jailed) was the son of a Justice on the SC who surprised people by retiring earlier than expected...
The shit goes deeper... but blatant obstruction, organized crime, and likely a government are all involved in making it only look like a swamp on the surface.
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CoolDiscoRex 9 hours ago
As he should have, because maintaining that set of rules was more important than winning power.
I don’t care for either candidate that has a chance of winning, so this is a sincere, honest question from someone without a personal axe to grind.
Would the Democrats have cared about “Russian collusion” had Clinton won? Would there have been an investigation and all that? I don’t know many people who think it would have been an issue.
Even as a non-Trump supporter, I remember Hilary clutching her pearls when Trump insinuated that he might challenge the legitimacy of the election, then the Democrats spent more or less four years doing exactly that .
I think you’re right that Gore did the stand-up thing, but that was what, 20 years ago? Just speaking honestly, and from my own perspective (which due to cognitive dissonance induction will nonetheless make me a troll to some), but this “concern for the process” seems to be at the whims of both parties.
Also, wasn’t the integrity of our elections pretty much trashed when Democrats spent 4 years in anger because the unwashed plebes learned what was in Clinton’s emails? I mean, the content of the emails weren’t a problem, our knowledge about them was the problem. That was the position.
The emails could have just as easily helped her, and honestly, should have. It wasn’t our fault, or Russia’s fault, that they didn’t.
In essence, our position is that “Russia” ruined our election by providing transparency into a public officials communications on the job.
That’s pretty bad, no? That doesn’t really do much to legitimize our elections, does it?
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Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

a sincere, honest question from someone without a personal axe to grind.

But with plenty of right-wing talking points at hand, eh?

Would the Democrats have cared about “Russian collusion” had Clinton won? Would there have been an investigation and all that?

Yes- there are NGO's, think-tanks, etc. super-interested in this issue still. By what logic would they possibly have shrugged and ignored it? Particularly given a central accusation is that the Russians cracked the servers of who would be the actual sitting President? If anything, the investigations would have been much more about election security and integrity, without all the Trumpists having to make-believe all that crap in the way so their guy didn't look so bad.

Also, wasn’t the integrity of our elections pretty much trashed when Democrats spent 4 years in anger because the unwashed plebes learned what was in Clinton’s emails?

Yes. It couldn't possibly be about the corrupt, fascistic, misogynist, racist (or at least eugenicist), idiotic President. I have no idea why that would make anybody angry, for I have been living under a rock, with my eyes closed and no Presidential twitter, for the last 4 years.

Anyway, nice try on the "no axe" but you're at least drinking their Kool-aid even if you think you've mixed it yourself.
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CaptAubrey 8 hours ago
Why post as an AC?
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Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

> Would the Democrats have cared about “Russian collusion” had Clinton won? Would there have been an investigation and all that? I don’t know many people who think it would have been an issue.
You're combining multiple scenarios here.
1. Would the Democracts voluntarily submit to investigation if Hillary won and the accusations were that the Russians tried to help Hillary win?
Maybe, maybe not. I think it would largely depend on what they had to hide. Would they go full on Mitch McConnel though? I'm not so sure.
2. Would the Democracts open an investigation if Hillary won and the accusations were that Russians tried to help Donald Trump??
Of course they would and they would try to impale the entirety of the GOP at the same time. They'd be stupid not to.
Now, your whataboutism is all nice and well, but it's been clear since Trump got elected, that the GOP are largely composed of cowards and nutters. And it's clear that Trump and the GOP are trying to keep in power, regardless of how the people vote. This has nothing to do with the Russians anymore.
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stabiesoft 8 hours ago
I think you are forgetting trump during 2016 and has already announced for 2020 that he may NOT accept the results of the election. As to Russian interference, well, I think it is a given they did interfere. Every investigation has shown they did. As to you being a non-trump supporter, wow, your post screams trump supporter.
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_Sharp'r_ 12 minutes ago
The media asking a GOP politician if he'll "accept the election results" is meant as a gotcha question, not a serious inquiry. If they say yes, then the media accuses them of going back on it if they ever ask for a recount or contest anything, if they say no, then they spin like you've done above.
The only good response is to refuse to accept the premise of the question, but nuance gets lost in the soundbites the media carves them into. It's meant as a no-win question.
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quantaman 8 hours ago
As he should have, because maintaining that set of rules was more important than winning power.
I don’t care for either candidate that has a chance of winning, so this is a sincere, honest question from someone without a personal axe to grind.
Would the Democrats have cared about “Russian collusion” had Clinton won? Would there have been an investigation and all that?
Yes there would have. The White House had wanted to put out a warning to Russia before the election but they wanted bi-partisan support so it didn't look like an election stunt and McConnell wouldn't get on bound.
Russia attacked your elections, that would have been consequences.
Even as a non-Trump supporter, I remember Hilary clutching her pearls when Trump insinuated that he might challenge the legitimacy of the election,
Of course she did, there was never any reason to think that the election would be "rigged" in favour of the Democrats so he had no reason to doubt the legitimacy.
then the Democrats spent more or less four years doing exactly that
Because Russia DID compromise the legitimacy of the election with an Intelligence operation to expose the dirty laundry of only one side (plus a heavy propaganda campaign). As well, some FBI agents leaked to Giuliani about Anthony Weiner's laptop causing the email investigation to re-open, which caused Comey to break DOJ policy and announce an investigation days before the election.
Also, wasn’t the integrity of our elections pretty much trashed when Democrats spent 4 years in anger because the unwashed plebes learned what was in Clinton’s emails? I mean, the content of the emails weren’t a problem, our knowledge about them was the problem. That was the position.
The emails could have just as easily helped her, and honestly, should have. It wasn’t our fault, or Russia’s fault, that they didn’t.
In essence, our position is that “Russia” ruined our election by providing transparency into a public officials communications on the job.
That’s pretty bad, no? That doesn’t really do much to legitimize our elections, does it?
I'm really not sure what you're talking about here and I suspect you're confusing a few things here.
Clinton broke internal policy by using personal emails, but the big discussion was whether she violated federal law by having classified info on the server.
The fact is she didn't violate the law, those kind of mistakes are pretty common and throwing her in jail for mishandling intel would be like throwing some in jail for Dangerous Driving because they got a speeding ticket.
The other part was Russia hacking DNC and John Podesta's emails and disseminating them through Wikileaks. The contents of those emails were pretty banal. The biggest "gotcha" was that a bunch of DNC employees much preferred Clinton to Sanders but didn't really do anything about it, which everyone knew anyway. They only really mattered since they sounded like the Clinton email scandal.
As for "transparency" you need to apply it to both sides equally for it to be fair.
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Ichijo 6 hours ago
Would the Democrats have cared about "Russian collusion" had Clinton won?
It's interesting how you choose to look to the Democrats to decide what's ethical. WWDD?
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AmiMoJo 6 hours ago
Trump doubted the legitimacy of the election even when he won. He started an investigation into millions of illegal votes but it didn't find anything.
Losing the popular vote really bruised his ego.
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wolf12886 3 hours ago
Well said.
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Lije Baley 7 hours ago
I can't imagine who, in any actually significant numbers, would fight in this civil war that some people fear is coming. The protestors of this summer were only visible through the magnifying glass of desperate media, and many of their tiny numbers were coming from relatively comfortable middle class homes. The conservatives who bought into the sensationalism of the protests only turned out in similarly small numbers. They would rather be home, fortifying their property.
If Trump wins, there will be plenty of noise, and a little, hugely media-amplified violence, but nothing that could seriously be defined as a civil war, even from the luxurious perspective of most Americans.
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Anonyrnous 5 hours ago
When the CIA started the civil war in Syria, they didn't need to incite 50% of the population to rise up in violence. They just trained and armed about 10,000 assholes. That's all it takes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Local ID10T 4 hours ago
If Trump wins, there will be plenty of noise, and a little, hugely media-amplified violence, but nothing that could seriously be defined as a civil war, even from the luxurious perspective of most Americans.
Sure... But what if Trump doesn't win?
Will he cry foul, and encourage people to "stand up for their rights", like he did with the armed people protesting face-mask requirements and business closures to reduce spread of covid?
What happens when these armed patriots show up to protest the democrats stealing the election?
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Going to be interesting to see (+1, Interesting)
oldgraybeard 9 hours ago
who Facebook sends it's cancel culture mob against.
I guess this means the good guys are the ones Facebook sets up as strawman and bans.
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Do it preemptively! (+1)
Edward Nardella 9 hours ago
Having a plan to not make things worse in the event that you make things terrible is much worse than having a plan to not make things terrible.
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I know everyone "has their own truth" (+1)
argStyopa 9 hours ago
...and that claiming the high ground in the election is PART OF THE POLITICAL BATTLE, but does nobody else have *massive* qualms about some privately owned, for-profit company essentially deciding what's allowable as political discourse?
Really?
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inode_buddha 8 hours ago
Newspapers have been doing this for decades. What's the problem all of a sudden?
I remember in 2016, WaPo published more than a dozen hip pieces on Sanders in a 24-hr period. Guess who owns WaPo? Guess what their editorial policy is?
Same for the NYT. Neither "paper" is fit to use for bird cage liner, worm bedding, or anything else.
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sound+vision 7 hours ago
They're deciding? Why's that? They don't decide anything for me. "Sounds like a personal problem."
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If? (+1)
tsa 9 hours ago
NT
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"if" the U.S. election descends into chaos? (+1)
DontBeAMoran 7 hours ago
First of all it's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when".
Second, pulling the plug once chaos has started is like stopping making holes at the bottom of your boat after water started flooding in after the first hole. It's too late.
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Re: "if" the U.S. election descends into chaos? (+1)
noshellswill 2 hours ago
Indeed, the Nov election will devolve into chaos. Then the white yeomanry, jealous for their liberties will butcher-out Bloomberg-funded BLM rioters, ANTIFA Trotsky-sluts and simpering butt-plugged Portland-villes and ... life returns to normal.
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Is this a box you need to check (+1)
RightwingNutjob 6 hours ago
to apply for Chinese citizenship, Zuck?

Here's how to read whatever the MSM equivalent of Pravda is on any given day, boys and girls:
"Trump is cozying up to dictators" --> Democrat-aligned Corporate America is conspicuously mimicking dictators' tactics in support of the same exact objective: "harmony" and "civil order"
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

Promising to crack down on problematic posts once it's too late to make a difference really sums up Facebook's approach to everything, doesn't it.
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Facebook Vows To Restrict Users if US Election Descends Into Chaos
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Facebook has said it will take aggressive and exceptional measures to "restrict the circulation of content" on its platform if November's presidential election descends into chaos or violent civic unrest [the link may be paywalled; alternative source]. From a report:
In an interview with the Financial Times, Nick Clegg, the company's head of global affairs, said it had drawn up plans for how to handle a range of outcomes, including widespread civic unrest or "the political dilemmas" of having in-person votes counted more rapidly than mail-in ballots, which will play a larger role in this election due to the coronavirus pandemic. "There are some break-glass options available to us if there really is an extremely chaotic and, worse still, violent set of circumstances," Mr Clegg said, though he stopped short of elaborating further on what measures were on the table. The proposed actions, which would probably go further than any previously taken by a US platform, come as the social media group is under increasing pressure to lay out how it plans to combat election-related misinformation, voter suppression and the incitement of violence on the November 3 election day and during the post-election period.
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Malays2 bowman 14 minutes ago

"Oh Gosh darn, Trump won but Facebook won't let me communicate. I'll just stay home and knit a very angry sweater"
And to FB's 'logic', I reply
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(though really, they just want to keep their
hands clean of all of the violence that may
happen regardless of FB's actions.)
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Good call, Facebook (-1)
theJavaMan 10 hours ago
Now the agitators will move to private encrypted chat networks, and the honest people will be in the dark until the chaos is on their doorstep. It will keep everyone on edge and ultimately be counterproductive.
Sunlight disinfects, and protects.
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fahrbot-bot 10 hours ago

cayenne8 7 hours ago

Mixmaster Bri 4 hours ago

Can we all be grown-ups before and during the election too? That would solve all of the issues.
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Re: Let's all have less coffee and chill out (+1)
Joce640k 2 hours ago
it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
Yeah, but one of them might be Donald Trump.
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To hastily repurpose an old form (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

Your post advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( X) market-based ( ) vigilante .....
(x) Requires too much cooperation from spa^Wthe general public
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
(X) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical .....
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem .....
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
(x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!

infolation 5 hours ago

Plus, don't mention Disinfectant, Sunlight, or anything Bleach / UV-related in connection with the Presidential Election.

Covid's dangerous enough already.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)
Anonymouse Cowtard 4 hours ago
Don't forget the people who died after drinking fish tank cleaner (chloroquine phosphate).
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Re: Good call, Facebook
Berkyjay 6 hours ago
As if his knuckle dragging followers would even know how to access such networks.
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Lacking definitions (+4, Insightful)
Mr. Dollar Ton 10 hours ago
Without a good idea of what "Facebook" understands as "extreme cirumstances", "chaos", "civil unrest", it is quite hard to fathom what they'll do.
One thing is certain, though, anything that harms their bottom line they will avoid, and everything that brings more revenue they will try to implement, and abstractions like "democracy", "human and civil rights", "freedom of expression" and the like will be among the least important factors determining what they actually do.
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BeerFartMoron 10 hours ago

i'm probably drunk 9 hours ago

Mr. Dollar Ton 8 hours ago

halaloszt0 9 hours ago

How you know it is not the government?
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Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago
How do you know it is?
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We're already there (+1)

Powercntrl 10 hours ago

At a polling location in Virginia, Trump supporters were allegedly intimidating voters. Source.
This election looks to be very messy, so press that button, Zuck...
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smooth wombat 10 hours ago

It's called voter intimidation and it's illegal. But that won't stop the con artist from encouraging it or encouraging his supporters to vote twice, which also happens to be illegal. But since when did being a criminal ever stop the con artist?
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They're already doing voter intimidation (+1)
rsilvergun 9 hours ago
See here. The cops (very slowly) made them move. They're still out there making threats. My understanding is that it's much worse in the South.
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michaelwigle 10 hours ago

From your article:

"At least two dozen supporters of the US president held “Trump - Pence” placards and waved American flags, about 100 feet from the entrance to the polling location."

Note the distance. That is standard protocol. Every election there are people for and against candidates at the prescribed distance from polling stations to make their last stand. That's why the article was full of "qualifying" words like "appeared" to be blocking. If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up. I walk past Democrats doing the same thing all the time because I'm in a heavy Democratic area. But I don't go asking to be escorted despite the fact that Democratic officials have actually publicly encouraged harassment of those who disagree with them. It's a non-story.
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Powercntrl 9 hours ago
If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up.
Trump ejects folks from his rallies who attempt to hold up signs that criticize him. Perhaps he needs to grow up, too?
Maybe we have stricter laws in my neck of the woods, because I've never seen loud obnoxious supporters that close to a polling location. They'll usually be on a street corner on a road leading up to the place - but the entire parking area and the building itself is completely off-limits to any form of political speech.
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LynnwoodRooster 9 hours ago
There's a bit of a difference between being inside a rally and being 100 feet from the entrance of a polling location...
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michaelwigle 7 hours ago
Not to mention Democrats expel Republicans from their rallies too. None of this is one-sided.
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Re: We're already there (+2)

Powercntrl 7 hours ago

Actually, this is how Obama handled it. If you can't stand to watch a video with Obama, the short of it is he tells the crowd to chill and respect the Trump supporter's right to free speech.
Imagine that.
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michaelwigle 6 hours ago

I have no more trouble watching Obama than I do Trump. They're both politicians who say they are great and their opponent is awful. Obama is just slicker in his presentation.
So, a single old white guy with a Trump sign managed to garner enough attention in a huge auditorium that it caused Obama to stop and deal with the matter? That seemed a bit strange to me. Then I found a Times article about the incident which mentions:
"But on Friday, instead of calling for the man’s removal or heckling him back as he’s done in the past, the Obama told the crowd he deserved their respect and urged them to vote instead of boo."
https://time.com/4559072/barac...
Call me a tin foil hatter but that looks like a staged incident to me.
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Anonymous Coward 42 minutes ago

Anonymous Coward 10 hours ago

Yeah, someone needs to arrest those "rioters" and "looters".
Hey, swords cut both ways fuckers.
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Re: We're already there (+1)
guruevi 7 hours ago
They sure should, except these Trump supporters did nothing wrong. Later news of that event notes that there was no wrong doing.
In the mean time, leftists ACTUALLY attack and kill Trump supporters and are celebrated for it
https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/...
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guruevi 7 hours ago
At polling locations elsewhere, Democrats ACTUALLY attack people: https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
In the mean time, Democrats in Portland ACTUALLY killed a Trump supporter
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If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

Rick Schumann 10 hours ago

..then you're fucking up.
Too bad we can't get that through peoples' heads.
In many ways Facebook has become the new AOL. Did you know that, apparently, AOL is still around? I had no idea. There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore! Amazing, isn't it? But, functionally-speaking, it appears that Facebook has taken on the role AOL used to play: people seem to get their news and information from Facebook; wouldn't put it past some people on Facebook to believe, like the legacy of AOL users who still apparently exist, that without Facebook they would be lost.
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CaptAubrey 9 hours ago
OMG, you hit the nail on the head. Who the hell cares what Zuck does? Facebook is a parasite on the world and just needs to be ignored. If FB plans for the election cause you heartburn or an elevated blood pressure, you have really got to rethink how you are engaging in civil society. It's a website, that's all; it's not some oracle of info or some omnipotent source of power.
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CaptnCrud 8 hours ago
Spot on. The people your talking about are basically smartphone users (they probably rarely use their computer...if they even have one), these people don't use the web, they use "apps".
The people haven't changed, these are the same lazy people that get their info from glances at print headlines without reading the articles...or word of mouth from peers, and that was good enough for them. Nothing has changed except the medium, if they didn't have facebook it would be something else.
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Rick Schumann 4 hours ago
Remember a user here who went by the handle 'sexconker'? He'd humorously post anonymously about 'apps' and the people using them being 'cattle', essentially. Turns out he wasn't wrong, stet?
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Except... (+1)

dark.nebulae 10 hours ago

Aren't we pretty much there already?
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Not Far Fetched (-1)

quantaman 10 hours ago

Consider the following scenarios:
1) Trump is up on election night (in person votes) but falls behind when all the mail in ballots are counted and refuses to concede.
2) Trump wins outright, but it quickly emerges that a disproportionate (and decisive) number of ballots from Democratic areas never got counted for various reasons.
Neither is unlikely, add what looks like the GOPs insistence on filling RBG's seat as they're booted out of power and there's a fairly high likelihood of violence.
The problem is they've forgotten the point of Democracy, it's not about choosing who's in charge, it's about creating a set of rules that everyone agrees to.
Remember 2000? Al Gore not only won the US Popular Vote, but he was preferred by:
- Most Floridians (including disenfranchised felons)
- By most Floridians who should have been allowed to vote (black Floridians who were wrongly disenfranchised by an administration run by Bush's brother),
- By most Floridians who did vote (a poorly designed ballot caused thousands to vote for Buchanan instead of Gore by mistake).
The only way that Gore lost Florida and the Presidency is by a strict application of the rules set out beforehand giving him Bush the move valid ballots in Florida, and so Gore conceded.
As he should have, because maintaining that set of rules was more important than winning power.
Now the GOP is embracing a strategy of changing the rules on the fly. The problem with fixing the rules of the game is that people eventually stop playing the game. Applied to politics that means Trump and the GOP are literally putting your country at risk of a civil war.
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Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago
...literally...
Go back to twitterland.
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quantaman 8 hours ago

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Ichijo 7 hours ago

Would the Democrats have cared about "Russian collusion" had Clinton won?
It's interesting how you choose to look to the Democrats to decide what's ethical. WWDD?
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Re: Not Far Fetched (+1)
AmiMoJo 6 hours ago
Trump doubted the legitimacy of the election even when he won. He started an investigation into millions of illegal votes but it didn't find anything.
Losing the popular vote really bruised his ego.
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Re: Not Far Fetched (+1)
wolf12886 3 hours ago
Well said.
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Re: Not Far Fetched (+1)
Lije Baley 7 hours ago
I can't imagine who, in any actually significant numbers, would fight in this civil war that some people fear is coming. The protestors of this summer were only visible through the magnifying glass of desperate media, and many of their tiny numbers were coming from relatively comfortable middle class homes. The conservatives who bought into the sensationalism of the protests only turned out in similarly small numbers. They would rather be home, fortifying their property.
If Trump wins, there will be plenty of noise, and a little, hugely media-amplified violence, but nothing that could seriously be defined as a civil war, even from the luxurious perspective of most Americans.
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Posted in School uniform/punishments on 2008-01-12 08:46:27
I agree, all boys should wear full school uniform always. Parents, throw away your sons caual clothes and have them in full school uniform at all times. It also saves $ to buy cute clothes for your girls.

Posted in Guys uniforms/dress codes/clothes on 2008-01-12 08:41:24
I understand mysteryman, but after a while, I think most kids grow to love their uniform and being in it. I can't even think of wearing casual clothes. Here's my story. I am 20, in second year at a Sydney uni and still have to wear my full school uniform at all times. My parents feel that uni is just an extension of school and I have no choice in the matter. I guess I am used to it as I have been in school uniform for 15 years now, but I know people at uni giggle at me and I have no friends. My uniform consists of black Clarkes school shoes, grey socks puuled up, grey wool pants, black belt, grey (short sleeve for summer, long sleve for winter) school shirt with top button done up, tight black tie and grey wool v neck jumper for winter. Only change from school to uni was tie (was with school crest) and no shorts for summer (thankfully a the school colours are on them). My daily schedule is morning mass, uni till 4, study 4:30-7:30, dinner, study 8-11. I do ballet Wed afternoon and Sat morning for 1.5 hours (started at age 7 as my sister was doing it and my parents made me as I didn't like other sports). My sister is five years older and only ever wore her school uniform to school because she was (and still is) a model, and our parents would buy her pretty/cool clothes for shoots with the money they saved on not buying casual clothes for me. This might sound weird, but I have always been happy with this as she has been my idol and am happy my sacrifice has seen her have fun and be successful (she does sometimes snicker with her friends that I am 20 and still have to wear my school uniform. On weekends (and holidays) I work at my parents motel as a domestic cleaner from 8-6 to pay for my uni degree, mass at 6, dinner and study from 7:30 till 10:30. I still call my parents Sir and Ma'am, speak only when spoken to and stand to attention when they are around. I have always had good grades, never been in trouble and think this strict upbring has been good for me and I thank my parents for that. Looking back, I feel all boys should be raised with this strong discipline as girls tend to behave. If in Australia, Lowes schoolwear is the best place to get your uniforms. Good luck.

Posted in uniform school/home on 2008-01-12 05:15:14
I have never been belted, but have spent lots of time kneeling on rice. Check out school uniform at university

Posted in School uniform on 2008-01-12 05:03:57
Good poinI am 20, in second year at a Sydney uni and still have to wear my full school uniform at all times. My parents feel that uni is just an extension of school and I have no choice in the matter. I guess I am used to it as I have been in school uniform for 15 years now, but I know people at uni giggle at me and I have no friends. My uniform consists of black Clarkes school shoes, grey socks puuled up, grey wool pants, black belt, grey (short sleeve for summer, long sleve for winter) school shirt with top button done up, tight black tie and grey wool v neck jumper for winter. Only change from school to uni was tie (was with school crest) and no shorts for summer (thankfully a the school colours are on them). My daily schedule is morning mass, uni till 4, study 4:30-7:30, dinner, study 8-11. I do ballet Wed afternoon and Sat morning for 1.5 hours (started at age 7 as my sister was doing it and my parents made me as I didn't like other sports). My sister is five years older and only ever wore her school uniform to school because she was (and still is) a model, and our parents would buy her pretty/cool clothes for shoots with the money they saved on not buying casual clothes for me. This might sound weird, but I have always been happy with this as she has been my idol and am happy my sacrifice has seen her have fun and be successful (she does sometimes snicker with her friends that I am 20 and still have to wear my school uniform. On weekends (and holidays) I work at my parents motel as a domestic cleaner from 8-6 to pay for my uni degree, mass at 6, dinner and study from 7:30 till 10:30. I still call my parents Sir and Ma'am, speak only when spoken to and stand to attention when they are around. I have always had good grades, never been in trouble and think this strict upbring has been good for me and I thank my parents for that. Looking back, I feel all boys should be raised with this strong discipline as girls tend to behave. If in Australia, Lowes schoolwear is the best place to get your uniforms. Good luck. t, I feel wearing my uniform prepares me for my future job. Here's my story.

Posted in School uniform at University on 2008-01-12 05:00:10
Hi I created the poll and here's my story. I am 20, in second year at a Sydney uni and still have to wear my full school uniform at all times. My parents feel that uni is just an extension of school and I have no choice in the matter. I guess I am used to it as I have been in school uniform for 15 years now, but I know people at uni giggle at me and I have no friends. My uniform consists of black Clarkes school shoes, grey socks puuled up, grey wool pants, black belt, grey (short sleeve for summer, long sleve for winter) school shirt with top button done up, tight black tie and grey wool v neck jumper for winter. Only change from school to uni was tie (was with school crest) and no shorts for summer (thankfully a the school colours are on them). My daily schedule is morning mass, uni till 4, study 4:30-7:30, dinner, study 8-11. I do ballet Wed afternoon and Sat morning for 1.5 hours (started at age 7 as my sister was doing it and my parents made me as I didn't like other sports). My sister is five years older and only ever wore her school uniform to school because she was (and still is) a model, and our parents would buy her pretty/cool clothes for shoots with the money they saved on not buying casual clothes for me. This might sound weird, but I have always been happy with this as she has been my idol and am happy my sacrifice has seen her have fun and be successful (she does sometimes snicker with her friends that I am 20 and still have to wear my school uniform. On weekends (and holidays) I work at my parents motel as a domestic cleaner from 8-6 to pay for my uni degree, mass at 6, dinner and study from 7:30 till 10:30. I still call my parents Sir and Ma'am, speak only when spoken to and stand to attention when they are around. I have always had good grades, never been in trouble and think this strict upbring has been good for me and I thank my parents for that. Looking back, I feel all boys should be raised with this strong discipline as girls tend to behave. If in Australia, Lowes schoolwear is the best place to get your uniforms. Good luck.

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Facebook Vows To Restrict Users if US Election Descends Into Chaos
from the up-next dept.
Facebook has said it will take aggressive and exceptional measures to "restrict the circulation of content" on its platform if November's presidential election descends into chaos or violent civic unrest [the link may be paywalled; alternative source]. From a report:
In an interview with the Financial Times, Nick Clegg, the company's head of global affairs, said it had drawn up plans for how to handle a range of outcomes, including widespread civic unrest or "the political dilemmas" of having in-person votes counted more rapidly than mail-in ballots, which will play a larger role in this election due to the coronavirus pandemic. "There are some break-glass options available to us if there really is an extremely chaotic and, worse still, violent set of circumstances," Mr Clegg said, though he stopped short of elaborating further on what measures were on the table. The proposed actions, which would probably go further than any previously taken by a US platform, come as the social media group is under increasing pressure to lay out how it plans to combat election-related misinformation, voter suppression and the incitement of violence on the November 3 election day and during the post-election period.

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theJavaMan 11 hours ago

Now the agitators will move to private encrypted chat networks, and the honest people will be in the dark until the chaos is on their doorstep. It will keep everyone on edge and ultimately be counterproductive.
Sunlight disinfects, and protects.
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fahrbot-bot 11 hours ago

Now the agitators will move to private encrypted chat networks, ...

I initially read that as "alligators" ... I think I either need way more or way less coffee.

[ and now I want to see alligators using Facebook ]
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Let's all have less coffee and chill out (+2)

raymorris 11 hours ago

I think you had a good idea with less coffee.
We've had enough drama for 2020. Let's all have way less coffee and chill the heck out. Let's all agree - let's not have chaos and violence just because some politician didn't win, alright? No matter who wins the election, it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?
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fahrbot-bot 10 hours ago

I think you had a good idea with less coffee.
We've had enough drama for 2020. Let's all have way less coffee and chill the heck out. Let's all agree - let's not have chaos and violence just because some politician didn't win, alright? No matter who wins the election, it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?

Okay, but what about the alligators? :-)
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LynnwoodRooster 10 hours ago

Some of us live on saltwater and deal with crocodiles, you insensitive clod!
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cayenne8 8 hours ago

How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?

That would be the dream, but we pretty much saw that go out the window about 4+ years ago.

By the way, when did the "tags" you could add to stories disappear from the Slashdot home page?

This one was screaming for a "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag....
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raymorris 7 hours ago

I've watched it go down hill since Bork, mostly (not that everything was rosy before that, but the people who did that knew they were starting a lasting war, and acknowledged that fact internally).
Be that as it may, I'm going to do my part to help keep the discourse civil and remember we're all in this together, and we all want what's best for America. Those who want different policies than I do want those policies because they genuinely believe they are best for the country, not because they are evil bastards. Also, their policy ideas DO have their benefits, which I will benefit from, even if they also have disadvantages and I would choose differently.
Whichever politicians win this November (and they are all politicians), let's try to work together.
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slycyberguy 6 hours ago

How about we all be grown-ups about it, whichever way it goes?
Easy for you to say since, with COVID out of the news and mail-in voting being questioned, your guy will win.
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raymorris 5 hours ago

I rather doubt my guy will win, since my guy isn't running.
Between the teo that are running? I'm not too excited about either Tweedledee or Tweedledum, so no, nobody I like is going to win.
Polls suggest a Biden landslide is entirely possible, but that's certainly not guaranteed.
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Anonymouse Cowtard 5 hours ago

It'll come down to voter turnout. If Trump can suppress the vote enough he can win. If he loses, but it's close, they could well end up in court for a long time.
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Re: Let's all have less coffee and chill out (+1)

Mixmaster Bri 5 hours ago

Can we all be grown-ups before and during the election too? That would solve all of the issues.
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Re: Let's all have less coffee and chill out (+1)

Joce640k 3 hours ago

it's gonna be a stinkin politician either way.
Yeah, but one of them might be Donald Trump.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+2)

Osprey808 8 hours ago

So to be clear, you endorse the idea of political censorship and forcing "unpopular" viewpoints off the mainstream internet? Do you support every single domain name registrar refusing to host the Daily Stormer? Is Tor a sufficient enough forum for the political dissident?
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

nomadic 8 hours ago

Can't speak for them, but I sure do.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

cayenne8 8 hours ago

Unpopular speech often is the speech that needs to be protected the most.

That has proven true since the start of the US.

You never know what speech will become "unpopular" in the future.....and it has changed since the beginning of our country.

And yes, not only does it need to be kept on the govt level, but also on the private level. The "public square" has moved in large part online, and we need to bring that notion of the public square along with that move.
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Making it as easy as possible to incite violence (+1)

shanen 8 hours ago

Quite an incoherent FP. Your Subject is obviously ironic, but your body vaguely waves at two of the real issues. The actual discussion seems to be all over the place. So as usual, I'm left in a vacuum trying to clarify my own thoughts. I do see some linkage from one my thoughts to something in that FP, but it's a stretch... Not really blaming you, because that's how Slashdot 2020 works. There's a race condition on FP that favors such comments. My not-quite-initial thoughts (after a few searches in the discussion):
(1) Encouraging violence and making threats is illegal. Assault and battery are separate crimes.
(2) If Facebook supports assault, then it should be regarded as an accessory to the crime of assault. The convenience of the tool for committing assault on a larger scale is a secondary issue, but if you're talking to idiots, then the convenience can become crucial. (Which is the link to the FP. The people the "agitators" want to reach are not so smart and would find it difficult to use sophisticated tools, whereas any moron can read Facebook and Facebook even provides tools to reach out and find more morons. (Ditto Twitter, TikTok and some other channels.))
(3) Facebook doesn't care if your engagement is positive or negative, as long as it is marketable. (I personally addressed that problem by disengaging from Facebook. Not completely, but I'm quite close to zero Facebook now.)
(4) Telling with people with guns to get ready to shoot other people is bad. Unless you sell guns, in which case you're loving it.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+4, Insightful)

nomadic 8 hours ago

"Sunlight disinfects, and protects."
The past four years and the growth of insane conspiracy theorizing among 30% of the U.S. population proves that is absolutely and utterly untrue.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

Anonyrnous 7 hours ago

The insane ones are created to distract you away from the real ones.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

infolation 6 hours ago

Plus, don't mention Disinfectant, Sunlight, or anything Bleach / UV-related in connection with the Presidential Election.

Covid's dangerous enough already.
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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

Anonymouse Cowtard 5 hours ago

Don't forget the people who died after drinking fish tank cleaner (chloroquine phosphate).
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Re: Good call, Facebook

Rockoon an hour ago
The people that died? You mean the Democrat woman who murdered her husband? You still going on about that? You really this dumb?

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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

Anonymouse Cowtard an hour ago
I'm talking about the death in Arizona. They both drank it after the Idiot in Chief recommend HCQ. Don't know what you're on about.

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Re: Good call, Facebook (+1)

onyxruby 30 minutes ago
Parent above you was right, that was a woman who murdered her husband using that as an excuse. Turns out she was a prolific Democrat donor and not such a Trump fan after all. She also had a history of being violent with her husband. He was an intelligent level headed engineer and unlikely to make that kind of mistake.
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-b...
https://freebeacon.com/coronav...
So yeah, just a nutcase blaming a murder on Trump.

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Re: Good call, Facebook

Berkyjay 7 hours ago

As if his knuckle dragging followers would even know how to access such networks.
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Lacking definitions (+4, Insightful)

Mr. Dollar Ton 11 hours ago

Without a good idea of what "Facebook" understands as "extreme cirumstances", "chaos", "civil unrest", it is quite hard to fathom what they'll do.
One thing is certain, though, anything that harms their bottom line they will avoid, and everything that brings more revenue they will try to implement, and abstractions like "democracy", "human and civil rights", "freedom of expression" and the like will be among the least important factors determining what they actually do.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+2, Insightful)

BeerFartMoron 11 hours ago

To Facebook, "chaos" in the election would be defined as every eligible voter casting a ballot for the candidate of their choice.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

fleeped 10 hours ago

Very well said. Applies to many more actors than facebook though.
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FB candidate loses - Passes FB chaos threshold (+1)

will4 7 hours ago

How realistic is it when company X says "If measure Y, then I'm going to do Z" when Y cannot be measured and Z is not defined?
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

Rob Y. 10 hours ago

You'd think with all the false flag operations - as well as the 'legitimate' use of Facebook's platform to quietly target lies to specific groups of voters, that they'd realize chaos has already descended. To say nothing of their admitted ineffective measures to block QAnon conspiracies. If they can't identify rantings about baby sex rings and cannibalism, they're probably not doing so well with subtler stuff...
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

Anonyrnous 7 hours ago

Yeah, we obviously need to block people talk about child sex rings. As if that's a thing.
https://www.canberratimes.com....
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
https://www.news.com.au/nation...
https://www.fox23.com/news/tre...
https://www.perthnow.com.au/ne...
https://www.azfamily.com/news/...
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Re: Lacking definitions (+2)

i'm probably drunk 10 hours ago

Anything other than "Biden winning" probably fits the definition
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Re: Lacking definitions

reg 9 hours ago

Funny, I only see Facebook doing things to support Trump... They certainly worked very hard for him in 2016.
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See the overall issue.

Anonymous Coward 9 hours ago

Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump's Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+2)

Lord Kano 8 hours ago

Funny, I only see Facebook doing things to support Trump... They certainly worked very hard for him in 2016.

Right leaning pages have been and are being purged at a surprising pace.
On a political page that I run, articles about the previous behavior of Biden and Harris have been flagged for being old. Well, of course they're old. How in the fuck else are we supposed to make reference to their activities in the past?
LK
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Re: Lacking definitions (+2)

guruevi 8 hours ago

Facebook was fairly biased in the previous election as well, they blocked plenty of right-wing content. It only worked for Trump because Trump was better than Hillary at the social media game. Clinton didn't even have a dedicated social media team in her campaign, whereas Trump did.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

rmdingler 4 hours ago

Comment On point:
Look at a thousand of the millions of Facebook ads Donald Trump has run, and it’s hard to believe that they represent a winning strategy. They recycle the same imagery and themes, over and over: Trump, photoshopped in front of a flag, points a finger. Trump claps before an audience. Trump gives a thumbs-up, or smiles at a microphone. Each image is washed in patriotic red or blue. The text almost always issues a call to action: Buy this hat, sign this petition, RSVP to this rally.

They are notable only in their banality, and in their sheer volume. During the 2016 election cycle, Trump’s team ran 5.9 million ads on Facebook, spending $44 million from June to November alone. Hillary Clinton’s campaign ran only 66,000.
Someone in the President's camp properly estimated the importance of the Facebook in reaching the target number of voters much better than the managers of Hillary's campaign. Interesting article in the Atlantic.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

incredibale 3 hours ago

It's kinda disturbing that so many people, like you, can say things like that in an apparent lack of self-awareness.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

Mr. Dollar Ton 9 hours ago

Why? Trump works very hard for Cuckerberg.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

Osprey808 8 hours ago

It's not hard to fathom what they'll do at all. They'll censor the right and become an mouthpiece for the Democrat party. They might as well put out a press statement volunteering to be the the Democrats Pravda.
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Re: Lacking definitions

guruevi 8 hours ago

Well, we see civil unrest now, but Facebook isn't blocking the agitators. So it must mean that if Biden steals the election and Trump supporters protest THEN Facebook will step in and block only those people.
In the mean time, Antifa is using the platform to recruit and propagandize for its own terrorist agenda right now and Facebook isn't doing squat.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

demonlapin 7 hours ago

I mean, Biden might steal the election, but I doubt he's that competent. Maybe Harris can pull it off, but she's probably too smart to do that now. Wait a few years, run in 2024 on an anti-Trump landslide. It's not even remotely in her interest to trade being the junior senator from California for the shitshow that being a VP is, especially if you're going to be Biden's VP. I'm still surprised that Trump was able to talk Pence into the job; governor of Indiana isn't a job you get by collecting bottle caps.
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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)

AmiMoJo 7 hours ago

After last time they are probably worried about being regulated or even shut down. If your platform becomes a threat to democracy and part of an armed coup it tends not to do your stock price much good.
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trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the (+1)

Joe_Dragon 11 hours ago

trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the fcc to have an on line EAS.
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Turn off the popularity contest. (+3, Insightful)
Fly Swatter 11 hours ago

And by that I mean likes and dislikes. Also hide friending and unfriending from public view. Let everyone have their say on their own face page.

What's that? It breaks your revenue model? Oh well.

Do the same to twitter, but I guess that shuts down twitter - what a loss.
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Re: Turn off the popularity contest. (+1)

shanen 8 hours ago

Mod parent up? Or maybe not, because you forgot the magic word "engagement". However it does remind me of that joke genre that is still failing to catch on...
"All your base are belong to us." -- Zero Wing
"All your attentions is belong to us." -- Google
"All your engagement are belong to us." -- Facebook
"All your shoppings is belong to us." -- Amazon
"All your sexy toys is belong to us." -- Apple
"All your sex toy are belong to us." -- Pornhub
"All your computer are belong to us." -- Microsoft
"All your... Uh, what was the question again?" -- IBM
It's supposed to be a joke genre about the special foci of various corporate cancers. Obviously I better not give up my day job to write more jokes. Oh, wait...
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Facebook doesn't want to fix the problem (+3, Insightful)

RobinH 11 hours ago

The thing is Facebook profits from the problem, so they have no interest in fixing the root cause. I watched the new documentary called "The Social Dilemma" on Netflix, and while there's nothing too surprising in it that someone on Slashdot wouldn't already know, it did make me think about the economics around false information. When Facebook or Youtube shows someone the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole, such as anti-vaxxer, pizza-gate, QAnon content, etc., it's a very clear signal that these users are very easily influenced by any information regardless of credibility. Many political organizations, including foreign ones, and even some advertisers pay top dollar to access these users because they're the easiest to influence. A lot of the content that are then pushed on these users are also fake, but Facebook and Google make lots of money from it. So they claim they're doing things to stop it, but they only want to appear to be doing something. Actually stopping it is counter to their financial interest. It's no different than a casino telling us they should be trusted to reduce the number of slot machines.
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Restrict internet communications in case of unrest (+1)

halaloszt0 11 hours ago

Where did we see this pattern? China? Belarus?
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Re: Restrict internet communications in case of unr (+2)

Powercntrl 11 hours ago

False equivalence - this isn't the government shutting down free speech. This is like a hotel telling a furry convention to GTFO because their behavior became too disruptive. (And yeah, that's actually happened)
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Re: Restrict internet communications in case of unr (+1)

halaloszt0 10 hours ago

How you know it is not the government?
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Re: Restrict internet communications in case of unr

Anonymous Coward 10 hours ago

How do you know it is?
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Re: Restrict internet communications in case of unr (+1)

Rockoon an hour ago

How do you know it is?

If you dont know either way, dont make arguments that require it to be a specific way. The OP didn't. The reply're did.

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We're already there (+1)

Powercntrl 11 hours ago

At a polling location in Virginia, Trump supporters were allegedly intimidating voters. Source.
This election looks to be very messy, so press that button, Zuck...
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Re: We're already there (+4, Insightful)

smooth wombat 11 hours ago

It's called voter intimidation and it's illegal. But that won't stop the con artist from encouraging it or encouraging his supporters to vote twice, which also happens to be illegal. But since when did being a criminal ever stop the con artist?
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They're already doing voter intimidation (+1)

rsilvergun 10 hours ago

See here. The cops (very slowly) made them move. They're still out there making threats. My understanding is that it's much worse in the South.
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Re: We're already there (+1)
onyxruby 43 minutes ago
Nothing like taking him out of context to make it sound like he said something he didn't. You don't happen to work for the media, do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Lots of attacks and link to a serious crime that Trump hasn't committed or been credibly accused of. I can play that game, let's link to a crime that Biden has been credibly accused of committing by a several women.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world...
https://www.thecut.com/2020/04...
His running mate spouted believe all women and thought he was guilty. That is, until she was picked as his running mate and changed her mind. /awkward
https://www.independent.co.uk/...
So, believe all women?

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Re: We're already there (+4, Informative)

michaelwigle 11 hours ago

From your article:

"At least two dozen supporters of the US president held “Trump - Pence” placards and waved American flags, about 100 feet from the entrance to the polling location."

Note the distance. That is standard protocol. Every election there are people for and against candidates at the prescribed distance from polling stations to make their last stand. That's why the article was full of "qualifying" words like "appeared" to be blocking. If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up. I walk past Democrats doing the same thing all the time because I'm in a heavy Democratic area. But I don't go asking to be escorted despite the fact that Democratic officials have actually publicly encouraged harassment of those who disagree with them. It's a non-story.
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Re: We're already there (+1, Informative)

Powercntrl 10 hours ago

If people are "afraid" of seeing support for a different candidate than their own then they need to grow up.
Trump ejects folks from his rallies who attempt to hold up signs that criticize him. Perhaps he needs to grow up, too?
Maybe we have stricter laws in my neck of the woods, because I've never seen loud obnoxious supporters that close to a polling location. They'll usually be on a street corner on a road leading up to the place - but the entire parking area and the building itself is completely off-limits to any form of political speech.
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Re: We're already there (+1)

LynnwoodRooster 10 hours ago

There's a bit of a difference between being inside a rally and being 100 feet from the entrance of a polling location...
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Re: We're already there (+1)

michaelwigle 8 hours ago

Not to mention Democrats expel Republicans from their rallies too. None of this is one-sided.
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Re: We're already there (+2)

Powercntrl 8 hours ago

Actually, this is how Obama handled it. If you can't stand to watch a video with Obama, the short of it is he tells the crowd to chill and respect the Trump supporter's right to free speech.
Imagine that.
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Re: We're already there (+2)

michaelwigle 7 hours ago

I have no more trouble watching Obama than I do Trump. They're both politicians who say they are great and their opponent is awful. Obama is just slicker in his presentation.
So, a single old white guy with a Trump sign managed to garner enough attention in a huge auditorium that it caused Obama to stop and deal with the matter? That seemed a bit strange to me. Then I found a Times article about the incident which mentions:
"But on Friday, instead of calling for the man’s removal or heckling him back as he’s done in the past, the Obama told the crowd he deserved their respect and urged them to vote instead of boo."
https://time.com/4559072/barac...
Call me a tin foil hatter but that looks like a staged incident to me.
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Re: We're already there

Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

Yes, you sound EXACTLY like a tin foil hatter.
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Re: We're already there (+1)

Powercntrl 8 hours ago

There's functionally not much difference. Someone sitting in the nosebleeds quietly holding up a sign isn't impeding the rally in any form, other than by upsetting folks who don't want to see an opposing viewpoint.
Perhaps you're suggesting that the proper location for such forms of protest should be outside the rally, completely out of view? I absolutely agree - and the loud obnoxious supporters at the polling location should be held to the same standard. Shout and hold up signs somewhere else.
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Re: We're already there (+1)

fenrif 8 hours ago

What is wrong with that?
Does the opposition allow people into it's rallies who are solely their to disrupt and harangue the speaker?
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Look a little further into it (+2)

rsilvergun 10 hours ago

and you'll find there weren't the "standard distance" until the cops showed up and made them. They were blocking people in places.
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Re: Look a little further into it

Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

"A county election official, Gary Scott, said that the protest was about 100 feet from the building entrance where voters cast their ballot early. Contrary to some initial reports, the protesters had not blocked access to the polling station, he said."
https://www.businessinsider.com/virginia-trump-supporters-intimidated-voters-disrupt-early-voting-2020-9
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Re: Look a little further into it (+1)

michaelwigle 8 hours ago

Actually, I can't find any trace of that claim anywhere. All I see is chanting 4 more years from a distance. Now, the line may very well have gone past the perimeter required by that State. But even at that there's nobody saying there was actual confrontation or blocking. Just support of their candidate.
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Re: We're already there (-1)

Anonymous Coward 8 hours ago

Yeah but the Biden voters were all terrified.
I mean they've all allready died once!
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Re: We're already there

Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago

It's not a non-story, America likes to push democracy around the globe, and yet it has one of the most unhealthy democracies on the planet.
Countries with healthy democracies don't allow any campaigning on polling day, whether 100ft from the polling station or not, it's just not allowed - the only thing that's typically allowed is encouraging people to go out and vote, but not for any specific candidate.
This sort of thing along with things like removing the ability to issue dictats without consent of elected houses, removing political appointments to the judiciary, improving proportionality of representation are all desperately needed in the US to help halt this continuous slide towards greater partisanship and authoritarianism where the public vote falls by the wayside.
Everyone in America knows this, they just turn a blind eye to it when it's their guys that are taking advantage of it, meanwhile the health of America's democracy continues to slide into a pool of shit.
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Re: We're already there

Anonymous Coward 11 hours ago

Yeah, someone needs to arrest those "rioters" and "looters".
Hey, swords cut both ways fuckers.
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Re: We're already there (+1)

guruevi 8 hours ago

They sure should, except these Trump supporters did nothing wrong. Later news of that event notes that there was no wrong doing.
In the mean time, leftists ACTUALLY attack and kill Trump supporters and are celebrated for it
https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/...
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Re: We're already there (+1)

Powercntrl an hour ago
Biden has been running ads strongly condemning violent activism; these folks aren't representative of the Democratic Party. And let's be honest here and call anyone who physically assaults a person (regardless of political views) what they actually are: a domestic terrorist.

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Re: We're already there (+1)

guruevi 8 hours ago

At polling locations elsewhere, Democrats ACTUALLY attack people: https://fox17.com/news/local/1...
In the mean time, Democrats in Portland ACTUALLY killed a Trump supporter
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If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

Rick Schumann 11 hours ago

..then you're fucking up.
Too bad we can't get that through peoples' heads.
In many ways Facebook has become the new AOL. Did you know that, apparently, AOL is still around? I had no idea. There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore! Amazing, isn't it? But, functionally-speaking, it appears that Facebook has taken on the role AOL used to play: people seem to get their news and information from Facebook; wouldn't put it past some people on Facebook to believe, like the legacy of AOL users who still apparently exist, that without Facebook they would be lost.
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

CaptAubrey 10 hours ago

OMG, you hit the nail on the head. Who the hell cares what Zuck does? Facebook is a parasite on the world and just needs to be ignored. If FB plans for the election cause you heartburn or an elevated blood pressure, you have really got to rethink how you are engaging in civil society. It's a website, that's all; it's not some oracle of info or some omnipotent source of power.
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

CaptnCrud 9 hours ago

Spot on. The people your talking about are basically smartphone users (they probably rarely use their computer...if they even have one), these people don't use the web, they use "apps".
The people haven't changed, these are the same lazy people that get their info from glances at print headlines without reading the articles...or word of mouth from peers, and that was good enough for them. Nothing has changed except the medium, if they didn't have facebook it would be something else.
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

Rick Schumann 5 hours ago

Remember a user here who went by the handle 'sexconker'? He'd humorously post anonymously about 'apps' and the people using them being 'cattle', essentially. Turns out he wasn't wrong, stet?
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook. (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

"There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore"

They might even have dial up access
still kicking around for these folks.
Though AOL actually used 3rd party relay
services so they could have 'local' numbers
all over the country. Likeky, the only direct
modem connection they had was that
creeky 2400 baud 800-number the
software used to download the lists of 'local' numbers. They also had a text mode BBS (IIRC) so you could download the software without waiting for a disk to be mailed to you.
I would be a bit surprised if any of the dialup relay services AOL used are still functional

[blinking...@gmail.com]

If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)
Rick Schumann 11 hours ago
..then you're fucking up.
Too bad we can't get that through peoples' heads.
In many ways Facebook has become the new AOL. Did you know that, apparently, AOL is still around? I had no idea. There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore! Amazing, isn't it? But, functionally-speaking, it appears that Facebook has taken on the role AOL used to play: people seem to get their news and information from Facebook; wouldn't put it past some people on Facebook to believe, like the legacy of AOL users who still apparently exist, that without Facebook they would be lost.
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)
CaptAubrey 10 hours ago
OMG, you hit the nail on the head. Who the hell cares what Zuck does? Facebook is a parasite on the world and just needs to be ignored. If FB plans for the election cause you heartburn or an elevated blood pressure, you have really got to rethink how you are engaging in civil society. It's a website, that's all; it's not some oracle of info or some omnipotent source of power.
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CaptnCrud 10 hours ago

Spot on. The people your talking about are basically smartphone users (they probably rarely use their computer...if they even have one), these people don't use the web, they use "apps".
The people haven't changed, these are the same lazy people that get their info from glances at print headlines without reading the articles...or word of mouth from peers, and that was good enough for them. Nothing has changed except the medium, if they didn't have facebook it would be something else.
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook.. (+1)

Rick Schumann 6 hours ago

Remember a user here who went by the handle 'sexconker'? He'd humorously post anonymously about 'apps' and the people using them being 'cattle', essentially. Turns out he wasn't wrong, stet?
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Re: If you're getting election info from Facebook. (+1)

Malays2 bowman 15 minutes ago

"There are (very old, apparently) people who believe that if AOL disappeared, they wouldn't have any access to the Internet anymore"
They might even have dial up access
still kicking around for these folks.
Though AOL actually used 3rd party relay
services so they could have 'local' numbers
all over the country. Likeky, the only direct
modem connection they had was that
creeky 2400 baud 800-number the
software used to download the lists of 'local' numbers. They also had a text mode BBS (IIRC) so you could download the software without waiting for a disk to be mailed to you.

I would be a bit surprised if any of the dialup relay services AOL used are still functional.

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Except... (+1)

dark.nebulae 11 hours ago

Aren't we pretty much there already?
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Not Far Fetched (0, Troll)
quantaman 11 hours ago

Consider the following scenarios:
1) Trump is up on election night (in person votes) but falls behind when all the mail in ballots are counted and refuses to concede.
2) Trump wins outright, but it quickly emerges that a disproportionate (and decisive) number of ballots from Democratic areas never got counted for various reasons.
Neither is unlikely, add what looks like the GOPs insistence on filling RBG's seat as they're booted out of power and there's a fairly high likelihood of violence.
The problem is they've forgotten the point of Democracy, it's not about choosing who's in charge, it's about creating a set of rules that everyone agrees to.
Remember 2000? Al Gore not only won the US Popular Vote, but he was preferred by:
- Most Floridians (including disenfranchised felons)
- By most Floridians who should have been allowed to vote (black Floridians who were wrongly disenfranchised by an administration run by Bush's brother),
- By most Floridians who did vote (a poorly designed ballot caused thousands to vote for Buchanan instead of Gore by mistake).
The only way that Gore lost Florida and the Presidency is by a strict application of the rules set out beforehand giving him Bush the move valid ballots in Florida, and so Gore conceded.
As he should have, because maintaining that set of rules was more important than winning power.
Now the GOP is embracing a strategy of changing the rules on the fly. The problem with fixing the rules of the game is that people eventually stop playing the game. Applied to politics that means Trump and the GOP are literally putting your country at risk of a civil war.
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Re: Not Far Fetched (-1)

Anonymous Coward 11 hours ago

...literally...
Go back to twitterland.
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Re: Not Far Fetched (+1)

quantaman 9 hours ago

...literally...
Go back to twitterland.

Do you think your constitution has some kind of magical powers that prevent a major conflict?
I'd say the chance of a serious wave or unrest is at least 50%, almost certain if one of those "fuzzy" outcomes occurs on Nov. 4th.
An actual civil war? 10% is too high, though 1% is probably too low. People were warning of the risks of pandemics for years and that was crazy talk until January. Even in early March where all the information was there people still didn't clue in until things hit the fan.
The unimaginable can and regularly does happen. Your country is in an extremely risky place.
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The cost of prevention? (+1)

shanen 9 hours ago

Only mention of "prevent" in the discussion and no visible mention of "prevention".
So is Facebook going to pay for the pound of cure?
I didn't think so. But I'm beginning to understand why China and Europe are getting so hostile towards Facebook.
However, I think the actual criminals are the people encouraging the violence, not just the people who get around to performing the violence on behalf of those criminals. Making threats used to be illegal? Aren't the threats alone sufficient cause to investigate them and justify blocking their access to the tools they want to use to encourage violence?
Or am I being stupid to ignore the threats and vote anyway? And why hasn't my ballot arrived yet? It was supposed to have been mailed to me on the 18th.
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Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

(covers ears) "LALALALALAICAN'THEARYOULALALALALA!"
Sorry, but you need to know the truth, no matter how much you hate it.
Trump & Friends have severely destablized the country with their antics, and this is the very first time in my life I felt compelled to tell my friends to stay home on election night and brace for trouble. I didn't even think to consider that when Bush Jr. was about to be re-elected.
You can't "LALALA" away hordes of pissed off people driven mad to the point of torching everything in sight,

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YouTube Will Use Tech Updates To Better Enforce Age Restrictions
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YouTube said Tuesday that it has updated its technology to enable the tech giant to better enforce its age restriction policies. From a report:
The company has been criticized and penalized for its policies and architecture that displayed harmful content to kids and violated children's data privacy. The company is announcing three new changes: It will begin using machine learning to automatically apply age restrictions to content on its platform around the world. It's using technology to identify age-restrictive content so that when viewers discover age-restricted videos embedded on most third-party websites, they will now be required to log in to watch those videos in order to verify their age. It will start to request that some users in Europe verify their age with a valid ID or credit card, in response to new EU regulations, like the Audiovisual Media Services Directive.
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backslashdot 8 hours ago
What are they good for?
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Let parents parent? (+1)
drafalski 8 hours ago
Who wouldn't want to provide a valid ID or credit card to Google? Or every website that has "child-unfriendly" content?
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rtb61 2 hours ago
Simply a lie, they want to push more unadvertising friendly content off the platform, more censorship but not of advertising. On no, they will target children with all the junk food advertising they can and feel good messaging about how it is OK to be fat sick candy gobbling idiot (too much sugar bad for the brain of children but great for corporate profits and advertising friendly corporations).
Google we had to destroy the children with targeted excess sugar and artificial flavour consumption (will Google self censor, no way, profits first) to keep them safe from naughty anti-establishment content. They hunt down the open minds of children to force feed targeted advertising, those fuckers are just as sick as fuck and now the sick cunts the 'protect the children game' we have to censor all of your advertiser unfriendly content because yeah well, we are a greedy pack of psychopaths and your children your problem and our profit centre. To save the children poor misunderstood Google has to censor all of you all of the time, now that is just as evil as fuck.
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be required to log in to watch (+2)
oldgraybeard 8 hours ago
not me
Log in = data mining, tracking spying made very easy producing high quality telemetry.
No log in = data mining, tracking spying just lessor quality telemetry.

But this is about the children, yea right!
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bmimatt 3 hours ago
Precisely this. If anyone thinks they haven't been feeding nearly all the data they collect to ML, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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Logging in to verify age is useless (+1)
Ceseuron 8 hours ago
I'll never understand why the developers at YouTube believe that logging in is sufficient to verify one's age. My date of birth has been January 1st, 1900 whenever I've been presented with some meaningless age check for the better part of 20 years now. If Youtube tries to block me from seeing a video without signing in, then I simply use nsfwyoutube to play it and bypass their age check.
Requiring ID or a credit card might put an end to some of that, but even that's dubious at best. I'm sure there's more than a few kids out there willing to pilfer their parents credit cards and IDs to set up fake accounts to circumvent age gates. Hell, there was an article I read not long ago about how bored kids are using TikTok to record themselves dressing up in disguise as elderly people so that they can buy alcohol with less chances of being carded.
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Toonol 7 hours ago
I don't think YouTube believes this, and that's not why they're doing it. Lawmakers believe this. Google knows this won't stop kids, but it allows them to avoid the liability and blame... they can talk about all their efforts to keep children safe the next time they're hauled in front of Congress. It's all a show, and I don't really blame them. They don't have a choice.

I've had to set all my kids up with accounts that show they are late teens. Practically fake identities, because if they get one account that indicates they're underaged associated with another account, it can lock everything down.
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It's not like they don't know exactly who you are (+1)
bobstreo 8 hours ago
even if you don't login. I mean, this is the (don't be evil unless you don't think you'll be caught) company.
Still, I never, ever login to youtube.
There are apparently sites that you can just grab age-restricted videos from if you don't want to log in.
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rodano 4 hours ago
+1, even without logging in, google knows it's you
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new idea

Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago

I've got a better idea... how about you control your own children rather than censor/control and invade my privacy?
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Fuck harmful (+1)
AndyKron 7 hours ago
What is "harmful content"? Do pictures harm? Do words? What's harmful is people making creative phrases for censorship.
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Pascoea 7 hours ago
Do pictures harm? Do words?
Yes, they can. Or are you of the mind that it should be ok for kids to watch videos of snuff films, dog fights, porn, etc?
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K. S. Kyosuke 6 hours ago
You mean things that already shouldn't be on YouTube as per YouTube's TOS? Why do kids/non-kids matter here, then?
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Pascoea 5 hours ago
I understand that this article is about YouTube, but OP asked specifically for examples of harmful content. I would argue that WAP should be categorized as harmful content, and that (unless it's been removed for copyright infringement) is for sure on YouTube.
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Pascoea 5 hours ago
Shoot, I forgot a part in my statement. I understand that the article is about YouTube, but since OP wasn't referring specifically to YouTube I was giving general examples
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Completely coincidental that this collects data (+1)
joe_frisch 3 hours ago
It must be frustrating for Google to be serving videos without knowing for sure who is watching them. The data is more valuable when it can be attached to specific people.
I'm sure the database of which person watched which video when will be kept completely secure.
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Think of the children!

Anonymous Coward 2 hours ago

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!!
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Stop, just stop (+1)

Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

We don't need to babyfy the net. If parents can't control their kids, then they shouldn't have kids.
I'm tired of these stupid covert attempts to usurp free speech and slapping on a "Think of the children!" label.
Let;s see it for what it is, an attempt by the power elite to protect their rule.
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Damn this really was as bad as everyone said it was
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Seeing Clearly Ministry https://youtu.be/rMPNvcJtIR8 watch the whole vid and you’ll understand.
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EpicFights789 It’s anti-cure propaganda
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EpicFights789
Seeing Clearly Ministry ?
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Florian S.
@Brighteon. com[unofficial] why cant you accept people just like they really are?
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Adam Smith
@Brighteon. com[unofficial] You can't cure Autism and research will never find a cure. Let me guess you are also one of those morons who believes Autism is caused by Vaccines too right?
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Zadicus Creighton
@Adam Smith you forgot about homicide
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JalnorTheGreat
Autism is not a disease, it's a different style of brain wiring. Just because autistic people don't think the way you do, or don't experience the world the way you do, doesn't make us any less valid. Those of us whose autistic traits give us super powers that your mind couldn't even fathom actually pity you. But we don't want to cure you. We just accept that we have different abilities and we use our super powers to contribute to the world.
Unlike this "seeing clearly ministry," whose content makes it clear they don't deserve initial caps. You don't seem to see very clearly at all and, in fact, you belong in the 16th century.
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JalnorTheGreat I’m living in the future.
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Freddo of Columbus
oh really? what's it like in the future? are there laser rifles? hovering cars?
1 year ago
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Afonso Mota
@Freddo of Columbus I mean the Seeing Clearly is obviously on drugs like he said that Jesus makes you be born again without autism like fuck him (Seeing Clearly Ministry)
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Freddo of Columbus
@Afonso Mota yeah you dont need to explain it to us
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Pikachu Freddie I’m living in the end times as described in the book of Revelation.
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Kate H worse than I pictured
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Carly Edwards
Right? I didn't believe it til I saw/ heard it for myself. Yes Autism is challenging. My brother is autistic and we've had our share of rough days but he's not a monster, he and his autism didn't ruin our lives or my parents marriage. He's loved for exactly who he is
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You have 666 upvotes.
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Pales Gensler
Actually you’re a living in the past.
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Victoria Spade
Seeing Clearly Ministry you sound very delusional tbh.
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theyaden
This reminds me of one of the cancer sucks videos where they highlight people not being their disorder, but will overcome it. While I find the doom and gloom as well as overstatement that it starts with disconcerting, but I like the ending theme about overcoming it. It seems several people identify as being autism rather than suffering effects from it which I find confusing.
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Yh
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Isla Equestrian
I couldn't think of anything worse. This is not was Autism is. I have autism and I know.
5 months ago
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plateshutoverlock
"I’m living in the end times as described in the book of Revelation."

Yrah yeah, people have been saying "these are the end times" for the past 50,000 years. They also use it as an excuse to sit on their ass and not even try to make this world a bit better.
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I have autism and I do not approve of this commercial. They act like we’re hypnotized for being different. Autism speaks, you are an awful charity
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As a person with Aspergers I don’t appreciate being compared to AIDS or being faulted for my parents divorce. I hate this stupid organization
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This is disgusting. This sounds like an ad that would play during the 1940’s, not the 2010’s with the kinda information it’s spreading.
“I will make your marriage fail” are you kidding me?
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"I Am Autism"
I... am disgusted
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I am autistic and I do not approve this message.
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When he said “embarrassment” my heart broke.. my cousin has autism and he NOT an embarrassment 💔
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I came here to find out why autistics are upset with "Autism Speaks".

Now I know and fully understand why. This video has a disgustingly disturbing message.
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I am so sorry for every one in the autism community. This is a horrible representation
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Way to go! Telling children that their parents' divorce is their fault.
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Like Molly Burke said, the worst thing you can do for people with any sort of disability, is assume their lives are terrible.
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my dad has autism and has been happily married for almost 14 years thank you.
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As someone who is autistic makes me laugh and angry at the same time. We aren’t just some supervillain. This is so toxic. No wonder some people want a cure if they see this video. Paints us in such a bad light!😅
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"I work faster than pediatric aids, cancer and diabeties combined"








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Imagine replacing the word "autism" with "jews" and see how you view this.
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This is like an awful horror movie trailer, are they trying to scare people? Jeez.
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This is disgusting. "If your married I will make sure your marrage fails." What if you where a child on the spectrum and you see this and its telling you that mommy and daddy split up because of you. And the fact that they use the "parents" to say things and treat autisim like its a diesease and it's something that needs to be cured. I'm so mad I could cry. My brother and my friends with autism do not have a diesease and they do not need to be cured.

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Autism Speaks: You’re evil work is done.

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I am Autism, im 31, am married, have a degree, have a career, own a house and do things to make my community a better place to live, my family and neighbors like me, i like them and this commercial gave me double Autism, how about Autism Speaks let us actually speak for ourselves

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“And if your married, I will make sure that marriage fails”


That made my heart sink. I am currently dating and when we are older going to marry my girlfriend. And we are both autistic. That made me scared until I saw this was made by autism speaks. Those people are terrible

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" i even know a guy who has a son that has autism and his wife left him cause of that"

That wife was just an unfaithful cunt who wanted some fresh dick. She was going to leave him regardless.

Karma: A few years later, she is on a city street corner with a nice big black eye she recieved from her pimp for coming up short with the dough the previous night. She also has knife scars and other wounds on her face, arms, and legs from the various 'johns' who attacked her. It's rainy, it's dark, it's cold and scary, but she is dressed skimpy to attract more johns and hopefully make enough money so her pimp does not take a barber straight razor and slice up her face before casting her out into homelessness.

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Re: Lacking definitions (+1)
demonlapin a day ago

I mean, Biden might steal the election, but I doubt he's that competent. Maybe Harris can pull it off, but she's probably too smart to do that now. Wait a few years, run in 2024 on an anti-Trump landslide. It's not even remotely in her interest to trade being the junior senator from California for the shitshow that being a VP is, especially if you're going to be Biden's VP. I'm still surprised that Trump was able to talk Pence into the job; governor of Indiana isn't a job you get by collecting bottle caps.
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Anonymous Coward 5 hours ago

What I find interesting is that if Biden does win and subsequently has to step down for health reasons our president would become someone that both the Democrats and the Republicans explicitly rejected. (Harris losing the Dem primary; Repubs because, well, Harris is a (D)). I'm hard pressed to say if that would be a good or bad outcome on the balance...

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Mr. Dollar Ton 14 hours ago

if Biden steals the election

How does this happen? How does the opposition party, which is out of office steal elections, which are organized by the incumbents?
The world you're imagining is some weird sort of fantastic anti-dystopia.
Write a book, you might become quite a success.

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guruevi 7 hours ago
Not sure if you noticed, but Democrats are trying to stop the judicial nomination which would result in a hung court.
They are promoting unchecked mail-in voting and ballot harvesting
They have already hired lawyers across the nation to stop any negative result.
They have already indicated Biden will not concede 'under any circumstance'.

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Mr. Dollar Ton 5 hours ago
Not sure if you noticed, but Democrats are trying to stop the judicial nomination
The republicans did it last time around violating a long-standing precedent of no delays, so this is either most definitely legal, not stealing election, etc. or the Trump party did it first, so it should be okay.
Methinks you're having your pants in a twist about nothing.
They are promoting unchecked mail-in voting
WTF is "unchecked mail-in voting"? Aren't there the authorities, who'll be in charge of counting the votes, that is, literallychecking them?
Methinks you're having your pants in a twist about nothing or spreading disinformation on purpose.
and ballot harvesting
Apparently the so called "ballot harvesting" is a legal practice in roughly half the country, and has been so since there were ballots.
Methinks you're having your pants in a twist about nothing, spreading disinformation on purpose or stupidly regurgitating propaganda.
They have already hired lawyers across the nation to stop any negative result.
Which is "stealing" how? I thought access to the justice system is commonplace and legal in the US, has something changed recently? Methinks you're having your pants in a twist about nothing, spreading disinformation on purpose or stupidly regurgitating propaganda and generally being un-US-citizen-like.
They have already indicated Biden will not concede 'under any circumstance'.
What does it matter if Biden concedes or not? In the end, the results are declared by the Electoral College, which will assemble some time after the election once all ballots are counted and the election is decided. No way to "steal" the election by not conceding.
Which is "stealing" how? I thought access to the justice system is commonplace and legal in the US, has something changed recently? Methinks you're having your pants in a twist about nothing, spreading disinformation on purpose or stupidly regurgitating propaganda and generally being un-US-citizen-like, dispensing fake news like a, to quote a fellow slashdotter, "primrose Russian hacker", whatever that is.
Cut down on the bad drugs, go out in the mountains more often, exercise and eat healthy, you seem to need it.
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AmiMoJo a day ago

After last time they are probably worried about being regulated or even shut down. If your platform becomes a threat to democracy and part of an armed coup it tends not to do your stock price much good.
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trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the (+1)

Joe_Dragon a day ago

trump can use the EAS system & maybe force the fcc to have an on line EAS.
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Turn off the popularity contest. (+3, Insightful)

Fly Swatter a day ago

And by that I mean likes and dislikes. Also hide friending and unfriending from public view. Let everyone have their say on their own face page.

What's that? It breaks your revenue model? Oh well.

Do the same to twitter, but I guess that shuts down twitter - what a loss.
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shanen a day ago

Mod parent up? Or maybe not, because you forgot the magic word "engagement". However it does remind me of that joke genre that is still failing to catch on...
"All your base are belong to us." -- Zero Wing
"All your attentions is belong to us." -- Google
"All your engagement are belong to us." -- Facebook
"All your shoppings is belong to us." -- Amazon
"All your sexy toys is belong to us." -- Apple
"All your sex toy are belong to us." -- Pornhub
"All your computer are belong to us." -- Microsoft
"All your... Uh, what was the question again?" -- IBM
It's supposed to be a joke genre about the special foci of various corporate cancers. Obviously I better not give up my day job to write more jokes. Oh, wait...
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Facebook doesn't want to fix the problem (+3, Insightful)

RobinH a day ago

The thing is Facebook profits from the problem, so they have no interest in fixing the root cause. I watched the new documentary called "The Social Dilemma" on Netflix, and while there's nothing too surprising in it that someone on Slashdot wouldn't already know, it did make me think about the economics around false information. When Facebook or Youtube shows someone the conspiracy theory rabbit-hole, such as anti-vaxxer, pizza-gate, QAnon content, etc., it's a very clear signal that these users are very easily influenced by any information regardless of credibility. Many political organizations, including foreign ones, and even some advertisers pay top dollar to access these users because they're the easiest to influence. A lot of the content that are then pushed on these users are also fake, but Facebook and Google make lots of money from it. So they claim they're doing things to stop it, but they only want to appear to be doing something. Actually stopping it is counter to their financial interest. It's no different than a casino telling us they should be trusted to reduce the number of slot machines.
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Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

"some advertisers pay top dollar to access these users because they're the easiest to influence"

Not surprising in the least because Facebook is the biggest honeypot of them all when it comes to the Lowest Common Denominator. Who wouldn't want a big mindless army to do their bidding?

Even better for them, we live in a society that is structured to steer people into being one of the LCD. Yeah, kids are bombarded with mixed messages ("Be smart....no no be stupid" "Be a good person... no be an asshole ladder climber! blah blah blah) but in the end, the structure is intended to make people stupid, greedy, and selfish- everyone for themselves.

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Restrict internet communications in case of unrest (+1)

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Hearing inmates screaming "next time, kill yourself" and "kill another f*ggot", shows that these solitary confined prisoners have been driven to their basest most violent carnal instincts. They have literally been transformed into the most violent predators on the planet.

And then we expect them not to gut the short, screechy voice, 'tude throwing millenial twat that sasses off to them after they've been released.

But of course that's someone else's problem. Until it's the commissioner's or whoever's daughter that ends up getting mauled to death.
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@Zilch71 I wonder why they end up back there. Maybe it's the terrible prison system..?
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@Zilch71 People ALWAYS forget why these people are IN prison. There are plenty non-violent offenders that are rehabilitated. These are not the prisoners that wind-up in the hole. The ones in solitary are usually violent and dangerous!
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Silverdweller
@Chris Saindon that's some BS, hahaha, you can get 30 days for a cigarette
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lucas rossman
Yup 100%
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lovinqmia
@Chris Saindon that IS bs, some ppl end up in there by choice due to trauma from being with the other prisoners...smh
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Look, the thing this documentary and you people wagging a finger aren't understanding is that this is not about rehabilitation. It is about lack of other choices. The US has a large prison population and those prisoners act out by attacking one another violently. This includes widespread rape and murder.


So tell me, if you have an inmate acting out, attacking others, and who will even use nothing more than a toilet to flood his cell, what exactly, do you do with this inmate? Do you keep them with a cell mate so not to be "cruel" and then have that cellmate end up murdered for nothing? Is that somehow more humane?


What OTHER method is there, short of isolating an inmate like that, from others? What would you do that would work so much better? If there was a better method to use on such a large population of extremely violent people, it would be used.
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Vanna Vanna
@Chris Saindon please you can get 200 days in solitary confinement for talking back to CO
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teety woo
What's your answer then
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EMMANUEL IWUOHA
@Potcha Shamans Then why not just exterminate them once and for all?
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This is medieval torture made modern. Prison is meant to take away freedom, not sanity.
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Ikr
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Rico Williams
@rupinder kaur have you been incarcerated?
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Rico Williams
@Cathy Jones exactly.
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milkmandan77
True, but I imagine if your 7 year old daughter were kidnapped, raped, and murdered you wouldn't care one bit if her killer was sent here.
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Eugene Motes
@milkmandan77 exactly
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Majin Majestic
Prison is actually meant to rehabilitate people....
We already had our freedoms taken away, you don’t have to go to prison for that.
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Chris Saindon
@milkmandan77 Damn right!
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Potcha Shamans
the thing this documentary and you people wagging a finger aren't understanding is that this is not about rehabilitation. It is about lack of other choices. The US has a large prison population and those prisoners act out by attacking one another violently. This includes widespread rape and murder.


So tell me, if you have an inmate acting out, attacking others, and who will even use nothing more than a toilet to flood his cell, what exactly, do you do with this inmate? Do you keep them with a cell mate so not to be "cruel" and then have that cellmate end up murdered for nothing? Is that somehow more humane?


What OTHER method is there, short of isolating an inmate like that, from others? What would you do that would work so much better? If there was a better method to use on such a large population of extremely violent people, it would be used.
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Gavyn D
well put
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@rupinder kaur good point what are they gonna do if they cant live around other inmates
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Me who suffers from mental health issues, it's torture watching this, seeing people stuck in a cage trying to get out locked with their own thoughts
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I who suffer physcopathy enjoy this
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Domski
omg right i relate to this i was just imagining that
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Jake Salvatore
ivy Strauss I was in a mental hospital for a suicide attempt and though it was to a lesser degree this reminds me of when I was there and even though I hate the word “triggered” this is how this video is marking me feel.

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Chriss
I was in solitary without a window or anything it’s torture for sure
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M W
i did 15 days in solitrary. wasnt for punishment. i was in a quarantine. stuck in a tiny room. even that was awful, took me like 3-4 days to get back to normal.
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mxtth3w
@gjchvjv alt v4 wow
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Dahmeratemykid
@gjchvjv alt v4 oooh edgy you do realize that a psychopath wouldn't sit that he's a psychopath or even admit it you're just another harmless attention seeker please dont kill any strat cats
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Chris Saindon
@Jake Salvatore Stop watching it. Don't endanger yourself!
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Maniac Mike
Count bricks. I had a pet spider I called Charlie.
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Liz Mowrey
I know the feeling. God, just thinking of the psychological torture makes me sick!
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Please ban solitary confinement
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Jonas Ernust Official
This is the best prison documentary I've ever seen. Perfectly illustrates the bleakness and cruelty of the system.
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The man with the long beard made me cry I even prayed for him to be freed
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Yeah, cause making them insane will stop them from murdering people
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Imagine being in there for the rest of your life for a crime you didn’t do
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Brandon Sutton
Humans know how to torture other humans the best. They know what gets to a person, solitary confinement is a perfect representation of that. I do respect Dr. Bannish extremely for the good work he does. He alleviates some of that inhumane torture and treats them like a human being probably for the first time since theyve been incarcerated. Good on him, great man.
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marshallidesire775
I VALUE my freedom now... complete realization in this documentary that we take for granted that were not in this inmate shoes
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NomNomerz
I'm a lawyer, so work with prisoners a lot. What's most difficult is during release, so many don't know what to do. They want to get things in order, but realize the hopelessness of their situation, knowing that when they get out there's a 1/3 chance they'll be homeless and unable to get a job. Even if they do leave and go back to a house, where do they go from there? They sure don't know. They have the social development of 10 year olds, not knowing how to apply for jobs, to even start living their own lives.

These problems increase tenfold after solitary.
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All these experiments saying 'I spent 24 hours in solitary confinement' that’s nothing like being in solitary and not knowing when you are going to be released
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I hope that one day we will look at solitary confinement the same way we look at 1920's insane asylums.
This is awful and needs to change. It's not even close to okay.
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Nosipho Sethoaba
I'm going crazy just watching this
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Carson Smith
I just don't know how you could support this. Studies have shown that rehabilitation works better than punishment in the prison system.
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Wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy. Being stuck with your own thoughts and guilt, and no one to help you cope with them must kill you from the inside out. It seems like one of the worst places to be.
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Most of them CO’s wouldn’t last an hour in these conditions or situations & that’s facts!!!!
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Stuffed my face with burgers and chips while reminding myself how lucky I am not to be in solitary confinement right now
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Even worse...it's a for profit system. An empty cell is money lost...
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At least it didn't derail the train.
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Hewww that was a close one good thing those fire hands came in and saved her from that train
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So that old lady had some dark magic and was able to curse her to be dragged to hell but couldn't use that magic to pay off her debts.
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And from that moment, Justin's character went to Church every Sunday
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Why the fuck is soy boy holding the button even when he knows it's scareing her to death, even after she fell on the rails?

I hearby curse him to be a virgin forever and to be tormented by the sight of everybody else enjoying a sex life.

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still one of the creepiest and horrifying endings to a movie
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How nice the demon saved her from getting run over by the train.....
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The Short Weird Life -- and Potential Afterlife -- of Quantum Radar
from the visionary-scheme dept.
sciencehabit writes:
A mini-arms race is unfolding in the supposed field of quantum radar, spurred by press reports in 2016 that China had built one -- potentially threatening the ability of stealthy military aircraft to hide from conventional radars. Governments around the world have tasked physicists to look into the idea. Whereas a conventional radar searches for objects by detecting pulse of microwaves reflected from them, quantum radar would utilize pulses of microwaves linked by a quantum connection called entanglement. The system would retain one pulse and measure it in concert with the one reflected from the object. Correlations between the two would make it easier to spot an object through the glare of the surroundings. Or so researchers hoped. Groups have demonstrated elements of a quantum radar, but only in limited experiments that a nonquantum system can still match. And fundamental physical limits suggest the scheme can't beat ordinary radar for long-range detection. Even one of the inventors of the basic concept thinks it won't work when applied to radar.
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RightwingNutjob 2 hours ago
Since all the outgoing photons are coherent and the return is detected by direct measurement of the E field?
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mykepredko an hour ago
Why are you saying that they're "coherent"? They're in phase with the same polarization but I can't see how you can call them coherent.
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K. S. Kyosuke an hour ago
They're in phase with the same polarization
Isn't that the definition of coherence?
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BeauHD (.) (349) 6 minutes ago
COHERENT: the quality of being logical and consistent.
"this raises further questions on the coherence of state policy"
synonyms: consistency logicality good sense soundness organization orderliness unity clarity articulacy intelligibility comprehensibility

Pretty EZ to just google it, but that's just my opinion..

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Type44Q 27 minutes ago
Since all the outgoing photons are coherent...
Not unless it's a maser.
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mykepredko an hour ago
"Do you guys just put the word 'quantum' in front of everything?"
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zenlessyank an hour ago
Well, to be fair, those of us in the know see the word 'quantum' as a replacement for the words 'snake oil'.
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Malays2 bowman a few seconds ago

"Well, to be fair, those of us in the know see the word 'quantum' as a replacement for the words 'snake oil'."
My thoughts upon seeing "Quantum radar" were that these guys are kooks and they have been doing too many drugs.
Seriously and 100% honest, that was the very first thought that came to mind.
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Does nothing against stealth, helps with jamming (+4, Informative)
Carrier Lifetime an hour ago
Stealth works by reflecting incoming photons away the transmitter, entangled or not. If you do not detect any photons, you don't get measure entanglement. What helps against stealth is multi-static radars, where the transmitter is not colocated with the receiver.
What quantum entanglement helps against is jamming.
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T-Mobile Hits Back At AT&T and Verizon After Spectrum-Hoarding Accusations
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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica:
T-Mobile US CEO Mike Sievert yesterday fired back at AT&T and Verizon, saying the carriers' complaints about T-Mobile obtaining more spectrum licenses show that they are afraid of competition. "The duopolists are scrambling to block this new competition any way they can... Suddenly in the unfamiliar position of not having a dominant stranglehold on the wireless market, and preferring not to meet the competitive challenge in the marketplace, AT&T and Verizon are urging the FCC to slow T-Mobile down and choke off our ability to compete fairly for added radio spectrum," Sievert wrote in a blog post. As we wrote Monday, Verizon and AT&T have urged the Federal Communications Commission to impose limits on T-Mobile's ability to obtain more spectrum licenses. AT&T complained that T-Mobile's acquisition of Sprint allowed it to amass "an unprecedented concentration of spectrum."

Verizon has the most spectrum of any US carrier "by far" but "has the anti-competitive instincts and sheer audacity to complain that a much smaller T-Mobile has too much," Sievert wrote. "After holding massive spectrum advantages over T-Mobile and others for decades, Verizon and AT&T just can't stand the idea of anyone else being ahead of them or having a fair shot in an auction where they plan to use their financial might to do what they have always done -- dominate." Sievert also wrote that the 600MHz spectrum T-Mobile is leasing was previously controlled by AT&T. "AT&T had won at auction the spectrum that Columbia Capital is now leasing to T-Mobile and -- guess what -- AT&T decided it didn't want it and sold it to Columbia," Sievert wrote. "Verizon, the ringleader in opposing this lease, never bothered to even show up and bid for any 600MHz spectrum. In short, we have AT&T and Verizon seeking to block T-Mobile from using spectrum that AT&T decided to jettison, and Verizon had no interest in pursuing. Now both companies are seeking to block T-Mobile from putting this spectrum to use for the benefit of American consumers."
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago

The Constitution does not assign the power to allocate and sell spectrum to the Federal Government. Any powers not specifically given to the Federal Government was supposed to go to the States. Therefore, each State should be able to handle the spectrum allocation within their borders. I'm sure the Feds would invoke the interstate commerce clause because that's their answer for every power grab they've ever done, but it's all a load of BS.
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freeze128 6 hours ago
Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.
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XXongo 5 hours ago
Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.
And they do not adhere to state borders. There is an explicit right in the constitution to regulate interstate commerce.
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markdavis 4 hours ago
>"There is an explicit right in the constitution to regulate interstate commerce."
Which has been severely abused, way beyond what the Founders could ever imagine, such that now almost ANYTHING could be construed as "interstate commerce."
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Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago
Sorry I meant to upmod your post but I think I accidentally downmodded it. Still new at this.
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Ungrounded Lightning an hour ago
Sorry I meant to upmod your post but I think I accidentally downmodded it. Still new at this.
By posting in the discussion of the article you canceled any moderation you'd done to any response within it. So though you haven't (and now can't) give him the upmod you intended, your downmod is now gone. So you're cool.
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Ungrounded Lightning an hour ago
Sorry I meant to upmod your post but I think I accidentally downmodded it. Still new at this.
By posting in the discussion of the article you canceled any moderation you'd done to any response within it. So though you haven't (and now can't) give him the upmod you intended, your downmod is now gone. So you're cool.
Oops: You posted as an Anonymous Coward, so the cancelation DIDN'T happen. Post another reply using your i.d. and you'll cancel the downmod.
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Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago
That's just a technicality. The point for the interstate commerce clause is to resolve disputes among states. For instance one could argue that the EPA is illegal because perhaps it technically violates the letter of the law, because it doesn't directly deal with interstate commerce (though pollution in one state could affect the commerce of another state indirectly?) but because pollution in one state can affect another state I would argue that the EPA does not violate the spirit of the law. Just that when the document was written the founding fathers did not have the concept of pollution that we have today.
Likewise signals broadcasted in one state that another state can pick up on is not technically commerce itself (though it can contain commercials which relates to commerce and it can perhaps interfere with the commercials in signals from another state. I would argue that all spectra that the government grants a monopoly on should not have commercials whatsoever. They should be regulated only in the public interest if such monopolies are to exist at all). The spirit of the law is to resolve disputes among states.
One could argue that one state could reasonably dispute the pollution that another state sends its way. It's hard to argue that signals sent in one state that hardly make it to another could possibly reasonably be disputed by said state as causing damages. Perhaps along the borders to a small extent but that's about it.
The FCC has taken this WAY too far. They have clearly violated the spirit of the law if not the letter.
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Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.
You're talking to an idiot citing a 200-year old document as the reason it should, which is the real BS here.
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yassa2020 11 minutes ago
Right. They don't stop at the Mexico-US or US-Canada border either. So what makes States unequipped but the Fed can?
As for the constitutional question I think it falls within interstate commerce but not strongly enough to argue the position. It has been a greased up slope.
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inode_buddha 5 hours ago
No, but it *does* assign power to the Congress, which can create such things as the FCC to regulate it as they see fit.
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Aighearach 4 hours ago
That's a derptastic analysis, did you hear that on AM radio? Or social media?
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ghoul an hour ago
I dont get this stupid obsession with states rights in a country which doesnt even respect sovereign rights of other nations. USA is out there right out committing high seas piracy on Iranian tankers headed to Venezuela and you think the Federal govt wil respect States Rights ??????? Heck Iran has a military. Where are the Alabama tanks or the Texas Air Force?
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Verizon isn't counting its 5G mm band spectrum
Anonymous Coward an hour ago
https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...
Sievert pointed out that Verizon has more spectrum than T-Mobile when including high-band spectrum that isn't counted in the FCC's screen:

Citing the "spectrum screen", AT&T and Verizon would like to keep T-Mobile out of the bidding or at least put a damper on our ability to aggressively bid against them in this important auction, so that they can run the table unchecked. The "spectrum screen" was put in place years ago with good intention and broad support including from T-Mobile—to help ensure competition in the market when spectrum supply was limited—but is now being cited by AT&T and Verizon for reasons entirely opposite to this intention. And importantly, the "spectrum screen" pre-dates, and therefore ignores, certain 5G spectrum where Verizon already dominates. In fact, Verizon holds massive spectrum (far more than T-Mobile's entire portfolio of low, mid-, and high-band spectrum) in the "millimeter wave" bands, which are the cornerstone of their 5G strategy and which are not subject to the "spectrum screen".
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Use it or lose it (+1)
Malays2 bowman in a few seconds
No, I didn't RTFA, but if they are buying up spectrum, and just 'sitting on it' to block competition, they deserve to lose it AND be locked out of it for 10 years. And their system, within a year or less, must be fully up, running, and operational and covering the geographical areas they were given access to (this is to stop legal trickery like building one tower forever in 'test mode')
I see this as both preventing abuse and forcing companies to build a working infrastructure as fast as they can, with motivation of not losing their spectrum to someone else.

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T-Mobile US CEO Mike Sievert yesterday fired back at AT&T and Verizon, saying the carriers' complaints about T-Mobile obtaining more spectrum licenses show that they are afraid of competition. "The duopolists are scrambling to block this new competition any way they can... Suddenly in the unfamiliar position of not having a dominant stranglehold on the wireless market, and preferring not to meet the competitive challenge in the marketplace, AT&T and Verizon are urging the FCC to slow T-Mobile down and choke off our ability to compete fairly for added radio spectrum," Sievert wrote in a blog post. As we wrote Monday, Verizon and AT&T have urged the Federal Communications Commission to impose limits on T-Mobile's ability to obtain more spectrum licenses. AT&T complained that T-Mobile's acquisition of Sprint allowed it to amass "an unprecedented concentration of spectrum."

Verizon has the most spectrum of any US carrier "by far" but "has the anti-competitive instincts and sheer audacity to complain that a much smaller T-Mobile has too much," Sievert wrote. "After holding massive spectrum advantages over T-Mobile and others for decades, Verizon and AT&T just can't stand the idea of anyone else being ahead of them or having a fair shot in an auction where they plan to use their financial might to do what they have always done -- dominate." Sievert also wrote that the 600MHz spectrum T-Mobile is leasing was previously controlled by AT&T. "AT&T had won at auction the spectrum that Columbia Capital is now leasing to T-Mobile and -- guess what -- AT&T decided it didn't want it and sold it to Columbia," Sievert wrote. "Verizon, the ringleader in opposing this lease, never bothered to even show up and bid for any 600MHz spectrum. In short, we have AT&T and Verizon seeking to block T-Mobile from using spectrum that AT&T decided to jettison, and Verizon had no interest in pursuing. Now both companies are seeking to block T-Mobile from putting this spectrum to use for the benefit of American consumers."
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Anonymous Coward 6 hours ago

The Constitution does not assign the power to allocate and sell spectrum to the Federal Government. Any powers not specifically given to the Federal Government was supposed to go to the States. Therefore, each State should be able to handle the spectrum allocation within their borders. I'm sure the Feds would invoke the interstate commerce clause because that's their answer for every power grab they've ever done, but it's all a load of BS.
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freeze128 6 hours ago
Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.
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XXongo 6 hours ago

Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.

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Radio signals do not adhere to governmental borders.
You're talking to an idiot citing a 200-year old document as the reason it should, which is the real BS here.
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yassa2020 21 minutes ago

Right. They don't stop at the Mexico-US or US-Canada border either. So what makes States unequipped but the Fed can?
As for the constitutional question I think it falls within interstate commerce but not strongly enough to argue the position. It has been a greased up slope.
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inode_buddha 6 hours ago

No, but it *does* assign power to the Congress, which can create such things as the FCC to regulate it as they see fit.
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Aighearach 5 hours ago

That's a derptastic analysis, did you hear that on AM radio? Or social media?
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ghoul an hour ago
I dont get this stupid obsession with states rights in a country which doesnt even respect sovereign rights of other nations. USA is out there right out committing high seas piracy on Iranian tankers headed to Venezuela and you think the Federal govt wil respect States Rights ??????? Heck Iran has a military. Where are the Alabama tanks or the Texas Air Force?
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Verizon isn't counting its 5G mm band spectrum

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Sievert pointed out that Verizon has more spectrum than T-Mobile when including high-band spectrum that isn't counted in the FCC's screen:

Citing the "spectrum screen", AT&T and Verizon would like to keep T-Mobile out of the bidding or at least put a damper on our ability to aggressively bid against them in this important auction, so that they can run the table unchecked. The "spectrum screen" was put in place years ago with good intention and broad support including from T-Mobile—to help ensure competition in the market when spectrum supply was limited—but is now being cited by AT&T and Verizon for reasons entirely opposite to this intention. And importantly, the "spectrum screen" pre-dates, and therefore ignores, certain 5G spectrum where Verizon already dominates. In fact, Verizon holds massive spectrum (far more than T-Mobile's entire portfolio of low, mid-, and high-band spectrum) in the "millimeter wave" bands, which are the cornerstone of their 5G strategy and which are not subject to the "spectrum screen".
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Malays2 bowman 10 minutes ago

No, I didn't RTFA, but if they are buying up spectrum, and just 'sitting on it' to block competition, they deserve to lose it AND be locked out of it for 10 years. And their system, within a year or less, must be fully up, running, and operational and covering the geographical areas they were given access to (this is to stop legal trickery like building one tower forever in 'test mode')

I see this as both preventing abuse and forcing companies to build a working infrastructure as fast as they can, with motivation of not losing their spectrum to someone else.
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Oh yeah, trying to transfer 'ownership' of the spectrum to shell companies or whatever in order to try to get around this should cary very heavy penalties.

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Awesome, they posted a Windows source that is 20 years old, as well as a Dos source that is pushing 30.
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Are you sure about that, this could end up being a poison pill. Microsoft could allege that any reverse engineered code was derived from the original source code. If Microsoft wants to be seen as friendly to the open source community, they're going to need to open source whatever code was apart of this disclosure or at least agree to not sue anyone for reverse engineered implementations. This significantly damages the ReactOS project, probably killing it dead. In theory, this could be an intentional act by Microsoft to damage various open source projects.
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Microsoft can allege all they like. Without direct proof they can't do shit.
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ZiggyZiggyZig 3 hours ago
With a lot of money and a good lawyer, you don't need direct proof to do shit.
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Why haven't they done it already then?
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Timing is everything
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Not to mention M$ has definitely already sued companies out of business already.
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It would be impossible for them to sue individuals who release those code based on torrents and open source repositories. Especially since many of them will be hosted beyond jurisdictions that give a flying fuck about IP.
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The problem then is that if you used leaked code, you can then only release in those places that don't care about IP. This can never help Wine users in the Occident, for example.
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You can't allege that leaked source code was used to develop new code, if there isn't any leaked source code.
But now there is leaked source code, so anything created on or after today could potentially be a target for legal harassment.
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What's the point? Is there some big, deep-pockets WINE user that could cough up anything like what MSFT would spend on the litigation?
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Are you sure about that these would be civil suits you realize. Microsoft has deep pockets to do what Caldera tried to do to IBM and Novel. They can sit and litigate every little file, and unusual data structure. That ties up a lot of lawyer, court, and discovery time. Gets expensive fast. The sort of expensive that cause OSS products without the wealth patron like IBM to just fold up. I don't how deep CodeWeavers pockets go but probably not Microsoft litigants deep.
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One month later and WINE suddenly has 100% compatibility...
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Are you sure about that, this could end up being a poison pill. Microsoft could allege that any reverse engineered code was derived from the original source code. If Microsoft wants to be seen as friendly to the open source community, they're going to need to open source whatever code was apart of this disclosure or at least agree to not sue anyone for reverse engineered implementations. This significantly damages the ReactOS project, probably killing it dead. In theory, this could be an intentional act by Microsoft to damage various open source projects.
You probably should have disclaimed that with a "IANAL" because you clearly do not understand how this works. It is perfectly legal to reverse engineer your competition's products. What is not legal is to use that reverse engineering effort to develop your own competing project and there is a very simple workaround. You have one team reverse engineer the product and draft a specification based on that effort. You have a second team perform the implementation. This has been done for decades. They can also go the route of relocating their project to a country that simply does not care where the material came from. This is very common in open source projects that may be subject to the DMCA - they ensure that all of their infrastructure and contributors are not bound by the DMCA and go on as if the law never existed.
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He didn't give any legal opinions, don't be a maroon.
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OrangeTide 2 hours ago
IANAL but hiring a third party to reverse engineer and write you a spec is not illegal. Most of what is needed are not algorithms but interfaces and architectural behavior. Once you have a clean room spec the implementation can move forward.
It's too bad if this third party decides to use some stolen code. That's a copyright violation. And entirely the third party's problem. Business relationships are usually insulating like that. We have numerous scandals of contractors using illegal practices and rarely is the original company found at fault. The key is you don't want to ever know for certain that your business partner is doing something shady. Don't have emails or voicemails that can show up in discovery.
P.S. not only am I not a lawyer. I am not YOUR lawyer.
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Also IANAL, but there's nothing illegal about looking at leaked code and writing up a detailed description of the ABI. The person who gave you that code might have violated copyright, but you didn't.
Unfortunately, that doesn't insulate you from a never ending train of civil suits alleging essentially "you didn't say Mother May I" and "I didn't say Simon Says". And it's more expensive than most people can bear even if they win every single time.
Consider the crazy SCO lawsuit. Even when the plaintiff was reduced to just a CEO and a Lawyer with no hope of ever resuming business, the shambling zombie continued to be a time and money suck for 10 years. Even to this day, the rotting remains occasionally quiver as if trying to get back up. Even the revelation that they didn't actually own the copyright to the code they were suing over couldn't kill it.
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nbritton 2 hours ago
Yeah, you also probably should have disclaimed that with an "IANAL" as well, because that strategy only works if you can prove the second team has never seen the source code, and now that the source code is public information, Microsoft can easily argue that any person writing new code snuck a peek at the original source code. The coder writing new code would for all intents and purposes need to try to prove a negative.
https://www.amc.com/shows/halt...
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jittles 43 minutes ago
Yeah, you also probably should have disclaimed that with an "IANAL" as well, because that strategy only works if you can prove the second team has never seen the source code, and now that the source code is public information, Microsoft can easily argue that any person writing new code snuck a peek at the original source code. The coder writing new code would for all intents and purposes need to try to prove a negative.
https://www.amc.com/shows/halt...
I don't know how your legal system works but in an MS lawsuit the plaintiff would most certainly have to prove that not only did the defendant do something wrong but that what they did somehow caused harm to the plaintiff. If you don't ever download the leaked code and you don't have any of the code samples on your machine how can MS ever prove that you saw the code? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever on the face of it because any clean room spec implementation would be impossible by that same token. The source code exists ergo it is possible that one of the clean room developers saw it. That's just absurd. Microsoft would have to prove that they saw the source code and used it as a reference, not the other way around.
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thegarbz 3 hours ago
Microsoft could allege that any reverse engineered code was derived from the original source code.
That's not how that works. APIs are not copyrightable, and thus the ability to copy their functionality is not something they can suddenly claim is infringing simply because someone could see how it worked in source code rather than reverse engineer it.
this could be an intentional act by Microsoft to damage various open source projects.
I think the 5G is getting to you. Best go burn down your local tower.
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tysonedwards 3 hours ago
Google v. Oracle would presently disagree with you. We are 13 days away from that being heard by the Supreme Court, so we aren’t too far away from a definitive answer on the matter.
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Aighearach 2 hours ago
Another temporally challenged analysis.
Is some country's mind control satellite malfunctioning, or what? What sort of morons don't understand tenses, but think they understand details?
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jabuzz 2 hours ago
Unless you happen to be Oracle who think API's are copyrightable.
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kbg 2 hours ago
That's not how that works. APIs are not copyrightable, and thus the ability to copy their functionality is not something they can suddenly claim is infringing simply because someone could see how it worked in source code rather than reverse engineer it.
Unfortunately reality doesn't agree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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sconeu 2 hours ago
That's not how that works. APIs are not copyrightable, and thus the ability to copy their functionality is not something they can suddenly claim is infringing simply because someone could see how it worked in source code rather than reverse engineer it.
Really? You might want to ask Oracle about that...
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segin an hour ago
the ability to copy their functionality is not something they can suddenly claim is infringing simply because someone could see how it worked in source code rather than reverse engineer it.


That's actually exactly how this works, at least in the US. In fact, this was one of the main points of the case Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc., 977 F. 2d 1510 (9th Cir. 1992)
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SirSlud 3 hours ago
I seriously doubt MS gives a shit about Wine, they probably recognize it does their platform more good than harm - or has any meaningful effect on their bottom line at all. This is a company that long ago stopped putting all its eggs in how much money selling Windows licenses can make them. I expect rebuttals only from the folks who are in a spacetime bubble stuck at 20 years ago.
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neilo_1701D 3 hours ago
Are you sure about that, this could end up being a poison pill. Microsoft could allege that any reverse engineered code was derived from the original source code. ... This significantly damages the ReactOS project, probably killing it dead.
And how does this happen, when the Windows 2000 source code leak didn't have these repercussions back in 2004?
Also, does Microsoft even care about ReactOS? It's a nice little project and all, but hardly a threat to Windows 10 or Azure.
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Voice of satan 2 hours ago
Exactly that. Codeweaver, for example, expressly states new hires must have no Microsoft source code experience. Their code MUST look different and be a clean room implementations. Else Microsoft could sue them and prove their code has been reverse engineered.
And Wine and DXVK are very important pieces of steam play which are very important to Linux gaming.
It will be harder to find developers "clean" of that knowledge.
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Been there done that (+1)
williamyf an hour ago
The code of NT was leaked a few years/lustres ago. That did not spelled doom for reactos or wine, or a poison pill from redmond.
This leak will not be different
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RoseMersi an hour ago
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julian67 39 minutes ago
Yeah Microsoft are *terrified* of ReactOS, an archaic & permanently alpha state OS used by 5 developers and their friend. Jesus, get a grip.
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Re: Great, (+2)
jovius 4 hours ago
Until MS triumphantly finishes years of work for Windows 11, of which only 23% consists of hacks and internal APIs to not make Wine work.
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Re: Great, (+1)
Jeremiah Cornelius 3 hours ago
Oh, no! Someone stole the golden turd!
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fustakrakich 3 hours ago
The owners were negligent, needs polishing
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johnsie 3 hours ago
Wine already works for most XP stuff. It's later versions of .NET thatthey struggle with. .NET Core should make a difference since it is multiplatform by design.
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Kisai 2 hours ago
Definitely not.
Just like the "Nintendo Leaks" , at best someone who isn't part of an emulator project can pick through it and identify the bits that cause problems and then slip that description under the door to someone working on the emulator. The same for Wine/ReactOS.
While it's certainly an interesting thing, it's also not really that valuable except to people looking for exploits. In which case as soon as it gets to someone who is actually knowledgeable and not just a bunch of script kiddie's, someone is inevitably going to recompile it in China and "Windows XP Chinese government monitors all your nonsense Edition" ends up supplanting pirate versions.
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So, where are the GPL violations? (+4, Insightful)
nagora 4 hours ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
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Re: So, where are the GPL violations? (+1)
bobbied 3 hours ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Yup... I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a significant issue discovered here... Which if it turns out to be true, then the mighty M$ may end up putting the source into the public domain and be done with it.
At which point, they will start rapidly rewriting all the code they can in their current products. It's OK, they can afford it I think.
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ClickOnThis 2 hours ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Yup... I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a significant issue discovered here... Which if it turns out to be true, then the mighty M$ may end up putting the source into the public domain and be done with it.
Leaked or not, the code is still copyright. By somebody, if not by Microsoft. So no, I don't see this going into the public domain.
What I see as more likely is that MS will release what it can under a license that will protect its interests, even though the code is now visible. If MS has GPL code in its products, then it may (a) rewrite the offending code (as you suggested); or (b) welcome a showdown on the legal strength of the license. Companies in similar situations have opted for (a) up to now.
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OrangeTide 2 hours ago
Which if it turns out to be true, then the mighty M$ may end up putting the source into the public domain and be done with it.
It would mean that Microsoft would have to cease further distribution of Windows XP. That's probably not a big deal.
Potentially there are damages possible. That's complicated. I don't know of any examples where an GPL project successfully claimed damages for a violation. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were discreet settlements.
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Many eyeballs out of MS have seen source, legally (+4, Insightful)
perpenso 3 hours ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Most likely, no, not at all. Researchers, professors and students, have had access to MS Windows (NT onward) source code for a long time. Microsoft grants access to certain researchers looking into things that also interests Microsoft. They have to keep the source secure but are free to publish their work. And Microsoft gets the right to incorporate their work if they care too.



In short many eyeballs have been on the Windows source code outside of Microsoft, and that's just the legal eyeballs.
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nagora 35 minutes ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Most likely, no, not at all. Researchers, professors and students, have had access to MS Windows (NT onward) source code for a long time. Microsoft grants access to certain researchers looking into things that also interests Microsoft. They have to keep the source secure but are free to publish their work. And Microsoft gets the right to incorporate their work if they care too.
In short many eyeballs have been on the Windows source code outside of Microsoft, and that's just the legal eyeballs.
So, basically no one I would trust to tell the truth. Or indeed with any vested interest in telling the truth. Just report it and pocket the hush money.
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perpenso 5 minutes ago
That's going to be interesting, isn't it?
Most likely, no, not at all. Researchers, professors and students, have had access to MS Windows (NT onward) source code for a long time. Microsoft grants access to certain researchers looking into things that also interests Microsoft. They have to keep the source secure but are free to publish their work. And Microsoft gets the right to incorporate their work if they care too.
In short many eyeballs have been on the Windows source code outside of Microsoft, and that's just the legal eyeballs.
So, basically no one I would trust to tell the truth. Or indeed with any vested interest in telling the truth. Just report it and pocket the hush money.
Well you could wait for the QAnon report on the source. :-)
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Re: So, where are the GPL violations? (+1)
ArchieBunker 2 hours ago
Why would they bother when they could use BSD code? Didn't they already use it for ftp.exe back in the NT days?
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Re: So, where are the GPL violations? (+1)
nagora 36 minutes ago
Why would they bother when they could use BSD code? Didn't they already use it for ftp.exe back in the NT days?
That's a fair point; it's easy to forget all those BSD mugs working away for the world's richest companies for free.
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The gift that keeps on giving (+2)
OffTheLip 4 hours ago
that could spell a disaster for Microsoft because large chunks of Windows XP source code are still used in Windows 10


That explains a lot.
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Re: The gift that keeps on giving (+1)
Luckyo 4 hours ago
Yeah, that explains the stable, functional parts that aren't directly linked to windows update and occasionally fuck your machine.
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Re: The gift that keeps on giving (+3, Insightful)
WeatherServo9 4 hours ago
that could spell a disaster for Microsoft because large chunks of Windows XP source code are still used in Windows 10


That explains a lot.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Windows XP saw a lot of real world use over a number of years; sure, it had problems, but there's also probably a good amount of code essentially proven to be solid and reliable, so why wouldn't they want to leave well enough alone when possible?
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jfdavis668 3 hours ago
Windows XP started out as a bug filled release with huge security holes. Took them years to find all the ways that it could be hacked and supply a patch. Now, it was better that the 95 based versions.
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squiggleslash 2 hours ago

A huge number of Window's problems are likely directly linked to use of older code that hasn't been phased out. Windows having to reboot itself every time it does an update is a direct result of how it locks DLLs and other blocks of code. There are workarounds to try to minimize this in Windows at the moment, but the fact that Windows 10 cannot, without massive efforts on the part of the user to circumvent Microsoft's autoupdating process, have an uptime of more than a few days, should demonstrate that it's still completely fucked up.

Windows XP was an awful operating system. It was tolerated because it was slightly better than the piles of crap Microsoft had released before it, for the most part, but the major flaws in Windows today are directly traceable to decisions made long ago, and Microsoft's attempts to find workarounds for them without breaking backwards compatibility.
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AmiMoJo 2 hours ago
XP was tolerated because there was no alternative for a lot of people. Mac OS only worked on Macs and Linux was pretty awful for non-techies in 2001.
Nowadays, in no small part due to many things being web based and cross platform frameworks making software more widely available, Linux is a great alternative as a desktop OS.
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Re: The gift that keeps on giving (+1)
ClickOnThis 2 hours ago
that could spell a disaster for Microsoft because large chunks of Windows XP source code are still used in Windows 10
That explains a lot.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Windows XP saw a lot of real world use over a number of years; sure, it had problems, but there's also probably a good amount of code essentially proven to be solid and reliable, so why wouldn't they want to leave well enough alone when possible?
If Microsoft was relying on security-through-obscurity in this WXP code, and it is present in W10, then yes, it could spell disaster.
Making the code visible may in fact be what breaks it.
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Re: The gift that keeps on giving (+1)
omnichad 2 hours ago
It would be awful if they were finally forced to fix these bugs.
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It is broke, but can't fix it (+1)
raymorris 2 hours ago
One thing that has been important to Microsoft is backward compatibility - a Windows program I wrote 22 years ago still works. Contrast iOS and Android.
XP *is* broken, very. Yet Microsoft chooses not to fix it. Both for backward compatibility and because fixing things costs time and money in the short term.
Something we're dealing with right now is that while TLS 1.2 was released in 2008, Windows still uses 1.0 and 1.1 for important functionality. TLS 1.2 still isn't enabled in Windows by default, over a decade after 1.1 was broken. That's where a lot of the security issues with Windows come in - they are consistently 10-15 years behind on security because they don't want to change anything.
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jrbrtsn an hour ago
Based on some recent work I did with the Win32 API, I think Microsoft has a huge house of cards on their hands. The whole I/O subsystem looks bizarrely complex by Linux standards, and the TCP/IP implementation seems like an afterthought at best. If they have any sense they will put a BSD or Linux kernel under their graphical shell, and drop the steaming turd that is the NT kernel.
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Merk42 an hour ago
This is Slashdot, Microsoft can do no right.
If Microsoft were to have completely rewritten Windows 10 from scratch, people here would complain it was "change for the sake of change" and therefore bad.
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Re: The gift that keeps on giving (+1)
ArchieBunker 3 hours ago
Reading some comments elsewhere it seems this torrent was floating around in hacker circles for a long time and someone finally leaked it.
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bobbied 3 hours ago
that could spell a disaster for Microsoft because large chunks of Windows XP source code are still used in Windows 10


That explains a lot.
Microsoft is a slave to legacy. They have to maintain compatibility above all else for as long as they possibly can. That means they keep the same code base that works for a LONG time.
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TheDarkMaster 2 hours ago
"Microsoft is a slave to legacy. They have to maintain compatibility above all else for as long as they possibly can."

That's why Windows remains the dominant operating system on the market: Users have a very reasonable guarantee that their applications will continue to work.
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iampiti an hour ago
Yup, I think it's a very positve feature of Windows. They strive to be reasonably compatible with previous versions and, thanks to that, you can run many binaries that are 20 years old or more.
I'm no expert but probably only IBM mainframes have a better track record.
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I dunno, if the code works. (+2)
wiredog 3 hours ago
I'm currently working on a system that has 25+ year old C code way deep down inside. It works fine, all the bugs are well documented and dealt with, so why replace it?
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iampiti an hour ago
Well, Windows is a huge project and you don't just throw all the code away and start from a clean sheet for every new version. A lot of time has gone by since Windows XP was last updated but I'm sure some parts of the code have seen little change since then
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Wine, DOSBox, FreeDOS and ReactOS (+1)
jfdavis668 4 hours ago
Will suddenly improve.
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Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+1)
Cid Highwind 4 hours ago
If Microsoft proprietary code turns up in Wine, they're proper fucked - criminal and civil liability to the tune of the GDP of the entire observable universe.
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Re: Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+5, Interesting)
MikeDataLink 4 hours ago
If Microsoft proprietary code turns up in Wine, they're proper fucked - criminal and civil liability to the tune of the GDP of the entire observable universe.
That's not how this works. They'll use the source code to discover the API's so they can engineer software that talks to them.
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Re: Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+1)
bill_mcgonigle 3 hours ago
This was basically settled with Compaq v. IBM. One team reverses & documents, one team implements, and a third team ("Chinese Wall") only talks to the other teams.
There can only be communication about how it works, no direct knowledge of code. As soon as one implementor sees the code, everything is destroyed.
I seem to recall Compaq had different access-controlled offices too. For WINE it might be more difficult as access control is harder online. One slip-up could ruin everything.
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MikeDataLink 3 hours ago
This was basically settled with Compaq v. IBM.
Nope. In that case they copied the code and made their own version of the BIOS. This isn't about copying the code, its about learning how to talk to the code.
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Anonymous Coward 3 hours ago

This is not about "learning how to talk to the code" - that's what you'd be doing if you were writing an application that wanted to make use of undocumented APIs.
What Wine is doing is re-implementing the APIs themselves so that existing applications can successfully make use of them, which is pretty much exactly the same as the Phoenix BIOS case described above.
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Re: Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+1)
Rockoon 3 hours ago
That's not how this works. They'll use the source code to discover the API's so they can engineer software that talks to them.

You had me until the word "they"



Its inevitable. Dont be blind.
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Re: Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+2)
Cid Highwind 3 hours ago
Windows code has leaked before (and sparked arguments on slashdot about what Wine should do with it before) their stance last time was they don't want contributions from anyone who touched it.
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Re: Wine isn't going to touch this with a 10ft pole (+1)
orudge an hour ago
Wine has clean room guidelines (https://wiki.winehq.org/Clean_Room_Guidelines) which specifically forbid looking at Microsoft code (leaked or otherwise - e.g. Windows Research Kernel).
In many cases I suspect the code would not be all that useful anyway - some of Wine’s glitches and foibles arise simply because of differences between Linux/macOS and Windows that can’t easily be accommodated. And an unknown user who suddenly dumped a load of code without otherwise building up their experience with Wine and so on would be looked upon very suspiciously.
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Could be a disaster for Wine development, rather (+5, Insightful)
mysidia 4 hours ago
Windows 10, and as for Open Source, this leak could become a boom for Wine development
If the Wine developers know what they are doing, they will steer clear from reading leaked source code.
Obtaining sudden unexplained knowledge from the sources could later result in allegations to having read and incorporated non-literally copied code and trade secrets that were from materials leaked illegally... Its toxic and dangerous to touch that stuff, unless Microsoft responds to the leak by releasing the code as open source to encourage that others identify bugs and submit fixes.
The more likely result however, is teams of investigators and lawyers going out to try and find where leaked code might have reached, and trying to get all misappropriated copies destroyed.
That... and Microsoft will now have an excuse to re-write a whole bunch of OS code.. perhaps rewriting the old C++ code in C# or Rust, or Javascript, or something...
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
dabadab 3 hours ago
Well, there's a tried and true method of executing this, as demonstrated by Phoenix Software with the IBM PC BIOS: one team looks at the code and writes a functional specification based on it and the other team (the actual Wine developers in this case) implement this specification.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
sconeu 2 hours ago
The difference is that the PC BIOS was legally obtained, it was not a trade secret. IBM published the BIOS in the manual.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
omnichad 2 hours ago
That wouldn't matter. You can't taint facts with copyright law. Sure, possessing/distributing the source code could be risky or even prosecuted, but work created from the derived spec would still be clear.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
mysidia 43 minutes ago
but work created from the derived spec would still be clear.
Nope. Under the UTSA this would still be misappropriation of a trade secret a.k.a. Trade Secret infringement... this occurs generally when anyone improperly acquires a trade secret or improperly discloses or uses a trade secret.
Writing the spec based on the source code in the first place would itself be an act of trade secret infringement.
Then using the spec knowingly or with negligence or with having reason to know or even just accidentally using the spec that improperly disclosed a trade secret would be another act of trade secret infringement.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
omnichad 31 minutes ago
The source code could certainly be a trade secret.
Calling documented bugs in the API a trade secret would require Microsoft to have to prove that the bugs were themselves a valuable secret.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
mysidia 11 minutes ago
Microsoft to have to prove that the bugs were themselves a valuable secret.
Microsoft does not have to prove it. The commercial value in being able to create/re-create a competitive implementation would be evident in Wine's own existence. Mainly a huge burden of proof would fall to the Wine devs; all MS would need to show is pretty trivial, essentially that they kept the source code secret and took all the reasonable precautions to protect their secret, then the information allowing them to infer the 3rd party developers learned about the secrets through someone improperly obtaining and disclosing their source leak.
Calling documented bugs in the API a trade secret
Not "documented".. most APIs are Not publicly available APIs and are Internal for Microsoft's private use in the first place, and
the challenge for Wine developers is that the APIs contain numerous hacks and unexpected behaviors which
are Not published for the world to see. The value of having source code or actually accurate documentation is obviously enormous when it would come to attempting to re-create internal secret interfaces between programs and Microsoft utility libraries.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rath (+1)
fellip_nectar an hour ago
Easy to do with employees during a time when you could physically restrict access to the code at the workplace and be pretty damn sure no-one saw code they shouldn't have.
Not so much with a bunch of volunteers based all around the globe who access the code through the interwebs.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
ZiggyZiggyZig 3 hours ago
Well I for one welcome our Javascript OS-rewriting overloads!
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+2)
thegarbz 3 hours ago
Obtaining sudden unexplained knowledge from the sources could later result in allegations to having read and incorporated non-literally copied code and trade secrets that were from materials leaked illegally...
An act that isn't remotely illegal. You can't apply "trade secrets" to functionality implemented in an API. You can at best apply copyright to verbatim code.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
flink 3 hours ago
Obtaining sudden unexplained knowledge from the sources could later result in allegations to having read and incorporated non-literally copied code and trade secrets that were from materials leaked illegally...
An act that isn't remotely illegal. You can't apply "trade secrets" to functionality implemented in an API. You can at best apply copyright to verbatim code.
If the reverse engineer even unknowingly relies on knowledge of the copyrighted source code to implement the open version of the API, it can be alleged that the implementation is now a derivative work. Even if the argument doesn't hold up at the end of the day, it will be enough to support a protracted trial that would bankrupt just about any free software project.
Any contributor to WINE should steer clear of these files, with the possible exception of header files, but those were probably available as part of SDKs anyway.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
sconeu 2 hours ago
If the reverse engineer even unknowingly relies on knowledge of the copyrighted source code to implement the open version of the API, it can be alleged that the implementation is now a derivative work. Even if the argument doesn't hold up at the end of the day, it will be enough to support a protracted trial that would bankrupt just about any free software project.
See Oracle v. Google
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
geekmux 2 hours ago
Windows 10, and as for Open Source, this leak could become a boom for Wine development
If the Wine developers know what they are doing, they will steer clear from reading leaked source code.
Wait, Wine still exists? It actually lasted this long? Yeah, I'm sure it's seen massive improvement in the last 25 years. So has virtualization. No "dev work" needed. This is a rather weird one to keep alive.
I suddenly have this feeling that in the basement of Wine HQ, is a Fight Club full of developers...
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
iampiti an hour ago
Heh, you think they'll be ashamed of their code being exposed to the world and suddenly decide to rewrite huge parts of it in another language?
AFAIK Microsoft has already considered writing many low level parts of the OS in another language (I think I saw Rust mentioned somewhere). Also I guess some parts nowadays are written in C#.
Anyway, C++ is evolving reasonably fast these days (official releases of the standard every 3 years) and is adding many improvements. That negates somewhat the need to rewrite some parts in other languages.
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Re: Could be a disaster for Wine development, rathe (+1)
stikves 31 minutes ago
Wine is stable enough to be okay at this point. They have already implemented most of the necessary APIs to run modern games, and even Microsoft's of Office suites.
But, just to be safe, they could implement some agreements for the future. For example, they could ask all code checking to have an acknowledgement of not looking at any existing Windows leaks.
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Or it could be a disaster for WINE development (+1)
DarkOx 4 hours ago
Right now WINE not going "poof" do to copyright infringement action pretty much comes down to it being clean room. If any of this code ever slips its way into the project it might spell real trouble. Talk about 'viral'
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Re: Or it could be a disaster for WINE development (+1)
OrangeTide 2 hours ago
Let's fork WINE. We'll have a version that runs XP perfectly and a version that doesn't get sued by Microsoft.
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Who cares?
1s44c 4 hours ago
It's an obsolete version of a low quality OS family. The source code is probably only worth anything to wine developers, who are simply wasting their time, and security researchers who are looking for bugs that still exist in modern Windows.
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Re: Who cares? (+1)
Gabest 3 hours ago
Windows 10 is XP with a new control panel. If you take out all the useless XAML/UWP based Windows Store non-sense, it's just XP.
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Re: Who cares? (+1)
OrangeTide 2 hours ago
XP is good for running old games. Why would anyone run old games? Maybe you didn't beat them when they were new, people are busy you know.
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Unrelated to Wine (+4, Informative)
Sun 4 hours ago
It's been a long while since I've programmed for Wine, but I doubt it changed any. It is not even the first leak.


Wine has a clear policy of not going near MS source code.
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Boon (+1)
sethmeisterg 3 hours ago
Not boom.
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Oh no! There's an outbreak of Windows XP! ... (+1)
Qbertino 3 hours ago
... Quick! Contain it, before it infects your computer! We're all gonna die!
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What "disaster" (+1)
mi 3 hours ago
that could spell a disaster for Microsoft because large chunks of Windows XP source code are still used in Windows 10
What "disaster"? How could this possibly harm Microsoft?
No one is going to compete with them commercially based on this information. What harm is there in some geeks learning a few undocumented APIs? That they may now better understand, how something works — or implement their own app or widget better is good for Microsoft, as it makes their OS more attractive.
One could suspect, Microsoft have arranged for the leak deliberately — this way they shared the information without having to maintain the APIs...
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Re: What "disaster" (+1)
k6mfw 3 hours ago
Microsoft have arranged for the leak deliberately

Kind of like a movie that is tanking at the box office, then somehow an unencrypted digital version is put into public files and gets huge headlines?

"Screenshot of source code" doesn't make sense to me. I've never seen source code but I expect it is a bloatware of text that goes on an on. And just a portion doesn't seem valuable because what other portions of the total code that is referenced or subroutine (if such a thing is still done?).

I still have three XP machines in use for personal stuff (internet, misc stuff, monitoring APRS activity). I ain't got time or skill to add "features" to my XP code.
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DarkOx 3 hours ago
The disaster is there is a lot of code in Windows that goes back all the way to NT4 and maybe even before that. Not just things like cmd.exe but things that are running as "local_system" and listening on network sockets; like those print spooler vulnerabilities that were published earlier this year.
While people have no doubt fuzzed the crap out of windows that only reveals so much, and where it does turn you on to potential attack vector it does not always mean its clear or simple to turn it into something more than crashing a service. I am thinking about all those schannel bugs that nobody ever was able to turn in to RCE POCs. Keep in mind some of those are not patched on Windows 7 (out of support) and XP (out of support). There are still a good amount of win 7 out there though.
If you have the source you can feed it to a SAST tool and that might make it exactly clear what to do turn those into full RCEs attacks.
SAST Tools might also find a good number of potential new vectors that fuzzing has not.
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NSAKey (+4, Interesting)
bill_mcgonigle 3 hours ago
Let's find out what the real story is behind NSAKey. Nobody believes Microsoft.

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