Steam Engine Explosion
Wayne Manzo
Medina, Ohio was the work of the "Alien Agency". Similar to what
happened
to the space shuttle Challenger and so many other lethal mysterious
accidents.
The Sunday July 7-29-2001 farm tractor explosion is very suspicious,
killing four people and injuring many.
The reason the accident stinks of "Alien Agency" is that the tractor
that blew-up wasn't a "John Deere", a "Ford", a "Catepillar", no,
it was a "CASE" tractor.
Of course this means nothing unless you are aware that there is a very
huge federal civil rights case brewing in this country that is the
first
case that exposes the "Alien Agency" and its Anti-American activity in
the United States. The case entangles the "NASA-Lewis Research Center,
Cleveland(about 25 miles North East of Medina), the U.S. Army
Propulsion Directorate and the U.S. Army Aviation System Command,
and the entertainment industry___and could also entangle the Clintons
since
it was their responsibility along with Janet Reno's to get this case
into
the federal courts and stop the defendants from further agressive acts
against the plaintiff.
A huge case that makes the "Tobacco Litigation" look like parking
ticket
violations.
From human slavery, censorship, and genocide___the case is all
American!
So, why all the bizare accidents and deaths.
Instead of litigating the case and throwing the defendants into the
federal
pokey, those of the "RACE" play some sort of "Game" where the only
result
is further concealment of the truth(the case) and very mysterious,
targeting
accidents.
When I was on the streets of New York city trying to find a law firm
interested
in my human rights case, there was an opera at Lincoln Center about
a legal case. During the opening show, as the opera singer portraying
a law
clerk climbed a fifteen foot ladder and opened a huge filing cabinet,
reaching in an grabing the file folder___he was stricken with a heart
attack and died.
Believe it or not!
mansue.com The Truth is There!
Thank you,
Wayne "Mulder" Manzo
Cincy, Ohio
Bob" <spammersdon'tbother-F...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_Ab97.76348$dd1.9...@typhoon.neo.rr.com>...
> http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/07/29/fair.explosion/index.html
>
> Here's a better link (I hope!)
> "JBHORNBEAK" <jbhor...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20010730070035...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
> > It was a steam powered farm tractor that burned oil. many people burned by
> hot
> > oil and water. others struck by hot metal shrapnel. 4 people died. Here is
> the
> > CNN news story link.
> > http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.e
> > xclude.html
> >
> >
> > Ship it on the Frisco
Roger T & Heather B
"Wayne Manzo"
> It would appear as if the steam engine explosion at the county fair
in
> Medina, Ohio was the work of the "Alien Agency". Similar to what
> happened
> to the space shuttle Challenger and so many other lethal mysterious
> accidents.
Ah, a conspiracy.
Where would Americans be without the "conspiracy theory" to solve
every high profile or complex event?
Please don't be offended but you have to admit that there's dozens
(Hundreds?) of "conspiracy theories" that surround almost every event
from the small, like this one, to the Kennedy assassination.
Cheers
Roger T.
Chief
> (Hundreds?) of "conspiracy theories" that surround almost every event
> from the small, like this one, to the Kennedy assassination.
Wayne does a disservice by using terms like "Alien Agency" and with his
strange associations, but who knows maybe the tractor explosion was a
deliberate act and therefore a conspiracy of sorts. The Kennedy
assassination most certainly was.
Allen Drugge
"Chief" <little.b...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > Please don't be offended but you have to admit that there's dozens
> > (Hundreds?) of "conspiracy theories" that surround almost every event
> > from the small, like this one, to the Kennedy assassination.
>
> Wayne does a disservice by using terms like "Alien Agency" and with his
> strange associations,
Most certainly, because what he ascribes as this "Alien Agency" is in
fact govt/Illuminati disinformation, just like their staged "alien abduction"
scenarios. Poor ol' Wayne is just a pawn in their attempts to scare
the rest of us from realizing the truth and yes he is being taken down
unfairly--but not by 'Aliens.'
> but who knows maybe the tractor explosion was a
> deliberate act and therefore a conspiracy of sorts.
On Saturday a 2 1/2 yr old boy by the name of Sam Medina was
crushed to death under a parade float in San Luis, CO and the next
day the steam engine explosion occured at the Medina County Fair.
Too coincidental to be an accident if you ask me.
> The Kennedy assassination most certainly was.
Don't think you'll too many who would argue that point with yeh.
ARD
T. E.
> Please don't be offended but you have to admit that there's dozens
> (Hundreds?) of "conspiracy theories" that surround almost every event
> from the small, like this one, to the Kennedy assassination.
What I want to know is, who put you up to posting that? Was it
the Illuminate, Masons, Catholics, Nazis, Communists, or Jews?
Chief
> fact govt/Illuminati disinformation, just like their staged "alien
abduction"
> scenarios. Poor ol' Wayne is just a pawn in their attempts to scare
> the rest of us from realizing the truth and yes he is being taken down
> unfairly--but not by 'Aliens.'
I'm still wondering if Wayne is for real. He seems to be but is evasive; of
course he might think that I'm one of the "Aliens". Can't see how from all
my posts. I have no knowledge of Wayne except from what I've read in his
posts and web site.
> On Saturday a 2 1/2 yr old boy by the name of Sam Medina was
> crushed to death under a parade float in San Luis, CO and the next
> day the steam engine explosion occured at the Medina County Fair.
>
> Too coincidental to be an accident if you ask me.
Well how do you determine the probability of such things. How many people
named Medina are there? How many people die accidentally everyday with the
last name being that of a County. And both were (assuming the event in CO
occurred) in a festive public setting. Off hand it does seem a bit odd but
is it? Of course there is a collective devil unconsciousness that is now
coming under the pressure of the net, so it is possible that some mentally
"possessed" person having heard of the first event made some insane
association and operated or influenced the engine operation to cause the
explosion.
Roger T & Heather B
"T. E."
The "voices" in my head. :-)
Cheers
Roger T.
MacIndoe
Roger T & Heather B wrote:
>
Chief
And the unbiased truth is better than both.
Allen Drugge
> > Most certainly, because what he ascribes as this "Alien Agency" is in
> > fact govt/Illuminati disinformation, just like their staged "alien
> abduction"
> > scenarios. Poor ol' Wayne is just a pawn in their attempts to scare
> > the rest of us from realizing the truth and yes he is being taken down
> > unfairly--but not by 'Aliens.'
>
> I'm still wondering if Wayne is for real. He seems to be but is evasive; of
> course he might think that I'm one of the "Aliens". Can't see how from all
> my posts. I have no knowledge of Wayne except from what I've read in his
> posts and web site.
Well, neither do I but he's been at it for such a length of time that I have no
reason to doubt him--except for his interprepation of who/what's behind
his problems.
> > On Saturday a 2 1/2 yr old boy by the name of Sam Medina was
> > crushed to death under a parade float in San Luis, CO and the next
> > day the steam engine explosion occured at the Medina County Fair.
> >
> > Too coincidental to be an accident if you ask me.
>
> Well how do you determine the probability of such things. How many people
> named Medina are there? How many people die accidentally everyday with the
> last name being that of a County. And both were (assuming the event in CO
> occurred) in a festive public setting.
I picked up on the San Luis event off the UPI wires on Saturday so when
the steam engine explosion story came across Sunday there was an
immediate 'aha!'
> Off hand it does seem a bit odd but
> is it? Of course there is a collective devil unconsciousness that is now
> coming under the pressure of the net, so it is possible that some mentally
> "possessed" person having heard of the first event made some insane
> association and operated or influenced the engine operation to cause the
> explosion.
That's one possible scenario.
Wayne Manzo
yet you fail to recognize what you are saying.
My point is that the "Alien Agency" has the technology to
kill at will and make it look like accidents, diseases, or
violent crime. Like Orwell's book "1984", Big Brother "Alien Agency"
kills in order to send encrypted messages via the media.
Remember, those of the alien race are all telepaths and don't use
the conventional media to distribute information. The news media
is used to send encoded messages concerning the "inner system"
and that system controls our human society and what we interpret
as reality.
There are about 350 million people in the United States. About half
of those are illegal "Alien Agency" whose names and SS cards
are meaningless in their society. They change names and SS numbers
like you change underware. That leaves about 150 to 175 million
human Americans, an most of them don't understand that they are living
with alien savages whose culture consists of the systematic extermination
of, yeah, you guessed it, human beings.
Big Brother "Alien Agency" controls all media, information sources,
and information distribution. So why not re-read your posting and
think about it! Then think about it again. They are here, they
control the human infrastructure, and they are systematically
killing human beings.
If you need more info try and access my investigative news magazines.
If you are human it may save your life.
A "Case" Tractor? Safety valve failure? This would have occured when
the tractor was being fired-up! The boiler would have over-pressured
and it would have been shut-down immediately. No, this was the work
of the "Alien Agency". It was an "Alien Ageny" hit used to send a message!
And, the murders will continue as long as the human race refuses to
look the aliens in the face and start investigating their existence and
agenda.
Thank you,
Wayne "Mulder" Manzo
http://mansue.com
"Allen Drugge" <adr...@uswest.net> wrote in message news:<uTC97.1290$YJ3.1...@news.uswest.net>...
Roger T & Heather B
"Wayne Manzo"
> You solve the so called conspiracy theory using your own words
> yet you fail to recognize what you are saying.
Aliens????????
Yawn.
Cheers
Roger T.
Joe Ellis
wares...@yahoo.com (Wayne Manzo) wrote:
>You solve the so called conspiracy theory
Good grief. He's _serious!_
Well that's what killfiles are for. <<PLONK>>
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Chief
> kill at will and make it look like accidents, diseases, or
> violent crime. Like Orwell's book "1984", Big Brother "Alien Agency"
> kills in order to send encrypted messages via the media.
Yes people can use information against you, and stage accidents. That's why
privacy is so important.
> Remember, those of the alien race are all telepaths and don't use
> the conventional media to distribute information. The news media
> is used to send encoded messages concerning the "inner system"
> and that system controls our human society and what we interpret
> as reality.
There is no such thing as telepaths. However some people have higher rates
of verbal associativity. In fact most people acquire these abilities over
time, and more. The problem may be actually lowering yourself to understand
the childishness of those around you. Would you trouble yourself to
understand street gang slang.
Andy Harman
<little.b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Wayne does a disservice by using terms like "Alien Agency" and with his
>strange associations, but who knows maybe the tractor explosion was a
>deliberate act and therefore a conspiracy of sorts. The Kennedy
>assassination most certainly was.
I don't have much use for the word "disservice". It's a stupid word.
Sometimes stuff is just plain bullshit and should be called that :-)
As to Kennedy, there are few established facts. John F. Kennedy, as
well as Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby, are dead. About everything
else (incuding a very voluminous government study of the time) is
opinion.
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Chief
> well as Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby, are dead. About everything
> else (incuding a very voluminous government study of the time) is
> opinion.
Let's see, all other facts aside, the President gets shot driving in a
motorcade by a supposed lone gunman at a distance from a tall building, then
the gunman gets shot dead himself. Yeah, happens everyday, no conspiracy
here. Now if you examine the evidence and have even the slightest ability
to reason in math and science you come to the almost inescapable conclusion
there was another shooter. That may be an opinion as far as the courts are
concerned but it's a fact to most reasonable people.
Allen Drugge
'Alien Agency' are govt/illuminati black ops using recovered Alien
technology so as to give the real Aliens a bad rap?
The LORD (ruler of the Universe) has been frustrating the Bavarian Illuminati
from its inception begining in 1785 when he struck down one of their
couriers by the name of Jacob Lanze with a lightning bolt while traveling
thru Regensburg, Germany. The Illuminati have every reason in the book
to want to make mankind mistrust our benefactor.
So, admitting the above to be true, doesn't your insistence on an 'Alien
Agency' play right into the hands of the Illuminati agenda?
You know the story of Ajax the Greater, right?
I haven't figured out yet whether you are a witting or unwitting
disinformationalist, but I will.
ARD
"Wayne Manzo" <wares...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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American
(Andy Harman) wrote:
> As to Kennedy, there are few established facts. John F. Kennedy, as
> well as Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby, are dead. About everything
> else (incuding a very voluminous government study of the time) is
> opinion.
Read "Coup d'Etat in America," by Weberman and Canfield, and "Plausible
Denial," by Mark Lane...it's been photographed and adjudicated: E. Howard
Hunt and the CIA did it.
They did it because they work for papal banker Rockefeller and Rome.
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Joe Ellis
(American) wrote:
TRIM THE FREAKING GROUPS, people!!!
Joe Ellis
<little.b...@prodigy.net> wrote:
TRIM THE DAMN GROUPS!!
Trew
> My point is that the "Alien Agency" has the technology to
> kill at will and make it look like accidents, diseases, or
> violent crime. Like Orwell's book "1984", Big Brother "Alien Agency"
> kills in order to send encrypted messages via the media.
and I thought I don't get out much....
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Roger T & Heather B
alien garbage to rec.models.railroad.
Aliens have NEVER visited earth.
The distance are far too great.
There's absolutely, positively NO proof that it's ever happened.
Don't believe everything you see in "X Files"; "Star Trek"; "Deep
Space Nine"; "Men in Black" or any other TV show or movie. It's all
fiction.
Don't believe anything you read in the National Enquire or the other
rags. It's all made up.
Don't believe any of the time travellers, physics, alien ambassadors,
people who see ghosts and or shadow people, men in black, black
helicopters or anyone who been abducted by aliens who is a guest on
the "Art Bell Show".
And, just to shock you even more. Pro wrestling is all a fake.
That's not real either.
Cheers
Roger T.
Roger T & Heather B
"Trew" <tr...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> Wayne Manzo wrote:
>
> > My point is that the "Alien Agency" has the technology to
> > kill at will and make it look like accidents, diseases, or
> > violent crime. Like Orwell's book "1984", Big Brother "Alien
Agency"
> > kills in order to send encrypted messages via the media.
>
> and I thought I don't get out much....
All this twaddle just proves that you can make a conspiracy, proof of
alien contact and proof of just about anything by finding links,
however tenuous, out of any completely unrelated links.
If I tried, I could "prove" that the geographical alignment of the Taj
Mahal, Buckingham Palace, the White House, the pyramids and Stone
Henge are all "proof" that we've been visited by aliens. I bet I
could even get on Art Bell and "prove" it there.
Some people will believe anything.
Cheers
Roger T.
Dan L. Merkel
>
> I'm pretty sure that "Alien Agency" thing was a joke.
Considering that four people died, two others are still critical and
scores of others were injured to some degree, it was a very poor joke.
How someone could make light of such a tragedy is beyond me.
dlm
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Allen Drugge
"Osama Bin Kenobi ®" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
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> "Allen Drugge" <adr...@uswest.net> said:
>
> >Don't you think it is possible that these things you attribute to a so-called
> >'Alien Agency' are govt/illuminati black ops using recovered Alien
> >technology so as to give the real Aliens a bad rap?
>
> Maybe it's not alien anything and just the NWO?
Then why is Dr. Greer of the Disclosure Committee acting as scout
and front man for David Rockefeller in the race for control over
recovered alien technology?
ARD
Chief
> checked is who Kennedy pissed off the most and what his last actions
> in a period of several months were prior to the shooting. He stirred
> up something somewhere he "shouldn't have".
Man there is literally tens of thousands of pages on Kennedy. It seems like
every square inch of the event are documented, kind of sick almost. Kennedy
was definitely caught up in a period of transition. There's his flamboyant
family, Cuba, bankers, shipping regulations and taxes. I've always been
intrigued by the fact it happened in Texas and the fact that his replacement
was from Texas, and Jewish! That's a strange brew for sure.
Chief
I think many are just afraid of thinking.
Chief
Are you making fun of my sex organs.
Joe Ellis
>fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis) said:
>
>>In article <ca63f034.01073...@posting.google.com>,
>>wares...@yahoo.com (Wayne Manzo) wrote:
>>
>>>You solve the so called conspiracy theory
>>
>>Good grief. He's _serious!_
>>
>>Well that's what killfiles are for. <<PLONK>>
>
>Plonk? Why? Are you afraid of "bad thoughts"?
No.
I have zero tolerance for idiots. <<plonk two>>
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Chief
>
> conditions can be created by using enough energy or gravity.
Makes you wonder, if the speed of light is a limiting factor, and it does
appear to be, the universe is truly a really big, I mean really big, place.
On the one hand that's bad as we may not have any type of contact with other
beings for centuries, but on the other hand, after witnessing the shrinkage
of our planet, it's good because it leaves so much to be explored, forever.
Hugh
Nope not if it was from Wayne it wasnt , LOL
Andy Harman
Rockefeller is behind Paypal as well? ;-)
Don't mind me, I'm just Roming around Poping fun at all the theories.
As for this Rocky feller, anybody know what his feedback rating is?
Dennis E. Golden
Andy Harman wrote:
> I don't have much use for the word "disservice". It's a stupid word.
> Sometimes stuff is just plain bullshit and should be called that :-)
>
Well said, Andy.
Den
Jeff Scarbrough
Harman) wrote:
>>>They did it because they work for papal banker Rockefeller and Rome.
>
>Rockefeller is behind Paypal as well? ;-)
>
>Don't mind me, I'm just Roming around Poping fun at all the theories.
>As for this Rocky feller, anybody know what his feedback rating is?
Isn't Rocky that Great Northern goat?
We miss ya, Big, we really do...
none
> > Plonk? Why? Are you afraid of "bad thoughts"?
>
> I think many are just afraid of thinking.
>
very good at it.
none
> "Roger T & Heather B" <roge...@islandnet.com> said:
>
> >Geeze, can't you guys edit the headers to stop cross posting this
> >alien garbage to rec.models.railroad.
> >
> >Aliens have NEVER visited earth.
>
>
> >The distance are far too great.
>
> conditions can be created by using enough energy or gravity.
black hole it would have to have approximately 1000 solar masses (see
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html#fall_in)
Even assuming that you could bend space-time in a useful way, to get any
kind of useful device you would have to assemble something of at least that
size. That's a terribly difficult way of achieving interstellar travel.
Towing 1000 stars about the place isn't easy, to say the least.
Dan O'Connor
> Often it's worse than that - some people are very fond of thinking,
but not
> very good at it.
Oh, man. What a great quote! Too bad Mr. "None" didn't identify himself.
:-(
-- Dan
anonym
none <no...@all.com> wrote in message
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Then some peoples just have teh Brains in Training. : )
anonym
Dan O'Connor <dan[at]ferrarishields.com> wrote in message
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none is his/her name. : )
anonym
>
> "Osama Bin Kenobi Ž" <ab...@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
> news:3b80da63...@news.escape.com...
> > "Roger T & Heather B" <roge...@islandnet.com> said:
> >
> > >Geeze, can't you guys edit the headers to stop cross posting this
> > >alien garbage to rec.models.railroad.
> > >
> > >Aliens have NEVER visited earth.
> >
> > Probably.
> >
> > >The distance are far too great.
> >
> > Not true. Distance, mass and time are meaningless when certain
> > conditions can be created by using enough energy or gravity.
> The key word here is "enough". For example, to even survive a fall into a
> black hole it would have to have approximately 1000 solar masses (see
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html#fall_in)
I love a humanoid who provides links with their data..
> Even assuming that you could bend space-time in a useful way, to get any
> kind of useful device you would have to assemble something of at least
that
> size. That's a terribly difficult way of achieving interstellar travel.
> Towing 1000 stars about the place isn't easy, to say the least.
But how can they PROVE this?
S C Sillato
: On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:26:02 GMT, aha...@diespammerdie.net (Andy
: Harman) wrote:
No...that's Rocky of Moose and Squirrel....
: We miss ya, Big, we really do...
Ain't it the truth.....
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Chief
> just the way our brains make sense of reality. Reality is much, much
> more. There is no anything really.
Gee, so which is it, does it "taste" great or is it less filling? Reality
is where I'm happily stuck so it matters a great deal to me.
> Do you realize nothing is even really solid? Not by a long shot, it's
> ALL energy at different wavelengths and what we think we are is as
> infinite "inside" as it is "around". Our senses force us to exist in a
> certain way, carbon-based life limits itself in certain ways that may
> not be necessary.
Thanks for the ambiguous pseudo quantum physics lesson, but if someone hit
you upside the head with a 2-by-4 you'd definitely appreciate its solidity.
> What scares me is that when thinking about it to this extent, it makes
> me think that things are arranged just a bit too conveniently to be
> simply accidents and entirely natural. God? Who knows what that would
> be. I don't believe it is a God from any bible though.
Yeah it's weird really, especially Earth and us. For instance what kind of
strikes me as being strange is how our vision developed to see in a
particularly "pretty" part of the spectrum, and their is an evolutionary
trend towards "pretty" and intellectual "order".
Chief
like
> >every square inch of the event are documented, kind of sick almost.
Kennedy
Wow, that was a fairly large gap in dyslexic transposition.
> I think when so many people detect something not quite right, there's
> bound to be more to the story than the government has admitted. Maybe
> it's just something embarrassing to the government, or maybe it's
> exactly what everyone was afraid of.
What was everyone afraid of? Nothing surprises me anymore. People are just
no dam good.
none
"anonym" <anon_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
><snip>
> > Even assuming that you could bend space-time in a useful way, to get any
> > kind of useful device you would have to assemble something of at least
> that
> > size. That's a terribly difficult way of achieving interstellar travel.
> > Towing 1000 stars about the place isn't easy, to say the least.
>
> But how can they PROVE this?
you are limited to discussons in mathematics and symbolic logic, which
leaves a whole bunch of reality out. The stuff quoted was based on the
mathematics of general relativity, which cosmological observations to date
have confirmed. You could never rule out the possibility that it breaks
down in situations we haven't observed, though, although there's no
particular reason to believe that it would in this case.
Overall I would say that it's considerably more proved than, say, the guilt
of somebody who's been convicted in a court of law, but less proved than 1 +
1 = 2.
Wish it wasn't true, though - a Star Trek style universe would be much more
fun.
none
> still be living in caves.
No, we don't know everything, but evidence-based reasoning is still more
reliable than desire-based reasoning.
I don't buy your cave analogy - the main reason why technology has advanced
so far in the last few centuries is the adoption of a scientific,
evidence-based approach to learning. Sooner or later somebody will find a
more accurate physical model than the current patchwork of general
relativity and quantum theory, but for it to be accepted they'll have to
prove that it both explains existing observations and makes (correct)
predictions that the current theories fail to make.
If you wish to propose a physical theory that accounts for observed facts
but permits easier bending of gravity etc, then feel free. I'd like to see
the experiment that you would propose to distinguish your ideas from the
accepted models.
anonym
> >> Even assuming that you could bend space-time in a useful way, to get
any
> >> kind of useful device you would have to assemble something of at least
> >that
> >> size. That's a terribly difficult way of achieving interstellar
travel.
> >> Towing 1000 stars about the place isn't easy, to say the least.
> >
> >But how can they PROVE this?
>
> then that it the universe rotated around it, etc.
>
> People don't know very much yet, we just have to keep going. Usually,
> an accident happens and there is a revolution in science.
>
> Some say these accidents aren't so accidental, but an alien influence.
Do ya think?
anonym
none <no...@all.com> wrote
anonym wrote
<snip>
> > > Even assuming that you could bend space-time in a useful way, to get
any
> > > kind of useful device you would have to assemble something of at least
> > > that
> > > size. That's a terribly difficult way of achieving interstellar
travel.
> > > Towing 1000 stars about the place isn't easy, to say the least.
> > But how can they PROVE this?
> Depends on the standards of proof you want. If you want absolute proof
then
> you are limited to discussons in mathematics and symbolic logic, which
> leaves a whole bunch of reality out. The stuff quoted was based on the
> mathematics of general relativity, which cosmological observations to date
> have confirmed. You could never rule out the possibility that it breaks
> down in situations we haven't observed, though, although there's no
> particular reason to believe that it would in this case.
Wow... Well, none.. there is no way in hell I am going to ask someone to
attempt to explain an obscure mathematical concept to me. It will never
happen, believe me. There are those who have tried. I will just file this
under "Could Be". Thank you!
> Overall I would say that it's considerably more proved than, say, the
guilt
> of somebody who's been convicted in a court of law, but less proved than 1
+
> 1 = 2.
Well that leaves a pretty wide open field. :)
> Wish it wasn't true, though - a Star Trek style universe would be much
more
> fun.
Wouldn't it? We could sure USE some help down here..
Kate
none
>
><snip>
> Wow... Well, none.. there is no way in hell I am going to ask someone to
> attempt to explain an obscure mathematical concept to me. It will never
> happen, believe me. There are those who have tried. I will just file this
> under "Could Be". Thank you!
>
Bloody Viking
Wayne Manzo (wares...@yahoo.com) wrote:
: It would appear as if the steam engine explosion at the county fair in
: Medina, Ohio was the work of the "Alien Agency". Similar to what
: happened
: to the space shuttle Challenger and so many other lethal mysterious
: accidents.
The Challenger explosion was from a bad O-Ring. Get a copy of the video and
watch it in super slo-mo. (I made a video of the video in slo-mo to see what
happened) What you see is a flame coming out of the solid fuelled booster
rocket acting like a cutting torch, breaching the fuel tank. Once breached,
the flame ignited the liquid hydrogen, setting off the explosion. The fire
spreads from the original flame then at some point <BOOM!!!> As the liquid
hydrogen and liquid oxygen mixed, the explosion occured, blowing up the whole
assembly. At that point, the two boosters are detached by the explosion and
behave like bottle rockets without sticks on them. Had the O-Ring failure
occured facing away from the gas tank, the mission might have worked right but
as the boosters are retrieved, the problem would be found.
Now, about boilers. Boilers are hazardous devices no matter the design. That's
especially true of propulsion boilers, the more horses, the more hazard.
Powerplant boilers are dangerous too, but mobile boilers used for propulsion
can't have quite as many safeguards. Smaller propulsion boilers like the
tractor are especially hazardous due to lack of safeguards. High water in a
boiler can cause slugs of water getting to the engine part, causing an
explosion in a turbine's case or a major fuck-up in a piston engine.
Low water causes uneven heating of the boiler's plumbing, weakening it, and
the normal pressure breaching the weak area. Also, adding water too fast can
cause excessive pressure for a short time, possibly causing an explosion. The
most common source of boiler mishaps is either failure of an automatic boiler
control system (normally pneumatic) or operator error. Becuse boiler
automation is done by pneumatic systems in large systems, chronic vigilance on
the part of the operators is imperative. On small systems like the tractor,
the operator has to be vigilant becuse automatic control systems are not found
unless they use solenoid valves and a car computer type device.
Other problems plage boiler operation, like water chemistry. Water has to be
real pure with a chemical added to alter pH as pH changes with temp in high
pressure boilers. Water gets acidic in high temp/high pressure situations. So,
a chemical is added that is slightly alkaline, like hydrazine for example.
(N2H4) Only a small amount is added. Furthermore, as time goes by, despite
using water that is distilled and demineralised, crap does build up in boiler
water. Every so often, you have to drain a boiler and replace the water afresh
before the impurities get too nasty. Improper water chemistry corrodes the
insides of a boiler's plumbing, weakening it. Check with the manufacturer's
manual. (:
Maintenance has to be meticulous. Explosions can occur if a boiler is being
improperly pressure tested. One time while in the Navy, I read about a
shipboard mishap where they pressure tested a boiler but there was a pocket of
trapped air. As they pumped up the 1200PSI boiler to 2,000PSIG to test it with
water, at some point, the boiler failed, but the pocket of heavily compressed
air (about 1,000PSIG) pushed on the water big time, making for a nasty
explosion.
Note that most if not all states issue licenses for steam plant operators who
run boilers above a certain pressure. I'm sure the pressure varies from state
to state. These are stationary engineering licenses and depending on the
state, may or may not cover mobile boilers. I'm sure the USDOT and similar
agencies have regs about road-going boilers and are sure to have regs about
sea-going ones. If a state doesn't regulate mobile boilers and no DOT
regulates off-road-only boilers like the tractor, it could fall through the
cracks and there would be no regulation, making for the possibility for an
operator who doesn't know about boilers to use it and get injured or killed.
--
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The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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CUIDADO: Las Puertas Estan Listas Para Cerrar.
Chief
and
> watch it in super slo-mo. (I made a video of the video in slo-mo to see
what
> happened) What you see is a flame coming out of the solid fuelled booster
> rocket acting like a cutting torch, breaching the fuel tank. Once
breached,
> the flame ignited the liquid hydrogen, setting off the explosion. The fire
> spreads from the original flame then at some point <BOOM!!!> As the liquid
> hydrogen and liquid oxygen mixed, the explosion occured, blowing up the
whole
> assembly. At that point, the two boosters are detached by the explosion
and
> behave like bottle rockets without sticks on them. Had the O-Ring failure
> occured facing away from the gas tank, the mission might have worked right
but
> as the boosters are retrieved, the problem would be found.
That may be true technically but the fact that the greatest accident in our
space shuttle program occurred during the flight with the most publicity and
people watching suggests to me that it was arranged to happen. Arranged by
the deranged, the deranged secular fanatics and their secular religion. So
the next time anyone does an analysis on religious groups and fanatics
please be mindful to include the secular fanatics as well. The facade may
be different but the results are the same. Might I also point out that
accident put the shuttle on major hold for at least a couple of years. And
consider there was a substantial push to reduce manned flight in favor of
unmanned robots. Personally I'm in favor of both. Now the secular fanatics
may preach their gospel, but in the final analysis it's a rationalization
about jobs and control.
Ron Herfurth
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In article <9kkpi1$rmj$1...@gail.ripco.com>, nos...@ripco.com (Bloody Viking)
wrote:
>
> Wayne Manzo (wares...@yahoo.com) wrote:
snip
> Had the O-Ring failure
> occured facing away from the gas tank, the mission might have worked right but
> as the boosters are retrieved, the problem would be found.
I heard that there were visual signs of O ring failures on previous missions
but NASA chose to ignore them, they didn't want anything to let anything get
in the way if getting a teacher into space so they wound up killing her with
their arrogance.
even bigger snip
>
> Note that most if not all states issue licenses for steam plant operators who
> run boilers above a certain pressure.
But is boiler insurance required in every state? Did the owner in Ohio have
insurance on his engine or will his widow and estate get to fund the
lawsuits.
Chief
missions
> but NASA chose to ignore them, they didn't want anything to let anything
get
> in the way if getting a teacher into space so they wound up killing her
with
> their arrogance.
Yeah but then you have to ask yourself, who knew, who decided the launch
time, who planned the launch and knew what the temperature and conditions
would be, plus all the other little variables that added together might have
pushed the rings to failure. Even the actual assembly of the boosters
before the launch.
Wayne Manzo
the "O-ring" in the area of the leak.
Remember, most of those space center workers are "Aliens". Also, based
on my expert experience the "Agency" has the technology to cause a leak
during liftoff.
Doesn't the whole scenario sound very similar to the Air France Concorde
disaster? Suddenly we find past problem reports about tire blow-out and
structural damage.
Both accidents(terroristic acts) have the same M.O. and stink of
"Alien Agency".
I doubt that normal "O-ring" blow by is sufficient to cause such an
explosion and I am also sure that tire debris doesn't have the
momentum enough to cause the structural damage in the titanium sheeting
of the SST and fuel tanks of the Concorde.
These are "Alien Agency Hits".
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"Ron Herfurth" <top...@cstone.net> wrote in message news:<9kltde$2n3d$1...@box9.cho.cstone.net>...
Daniel A. Mitchell
NOTHING wrong with the O-rings. The entire problem was that the Challenger was
launched OUTSIDE OF IT'S DESIGN PERAMETERS! It was too cold to launch that
morning, but someone got 'antsy' about all the holds, and decided to launch
anyway. Whether they were ignorant of the launch limits, or decided to push their
luck, the result is now known.
The O-rings were NOT designed to function at such a temperature! The behaved
exactly as they (and anything else) were supposed to when operated outside their
limits ... they FAILED! The decision to launch under such conditions was
criminal, but nobody was prosecuted. They blamed the O-rings instead. Much less
hassle!
And, if they again launch outside the vehicle's design perameters, it will fail
AGAIN!
The famous (and later) Hubbel Telescope problem shows that they learned very
little from the Challenger loss. Same basic problem ... arrogance and stupidity!
Sounds like a recent letter on the Ohio steam tractor explosion ... Humm?
LAUNCHING the Challenger outside it's limits was akin to running the steam
tractor with the water too low ... an invitation to disaster.
Dan Mitchell
==========
Chief
fail
> AGAIN!
It might just have been an innocent accident, but if it was the events
around it sure defy probability. And even in the movie "Contact" there was
an implied reference to a saboteur. I'm not sure if it was the right kind
of reference, shear speculation, based on some generally unknown
information, paranoia, or just for fun, but it's there.
Bob May
dependent nature of the failures. They even had a calculation that
determined the temp at which they could launch! What happened is that some
nitwit had misused the calculation and used the ambient air temp rather than
the booster temp. As a result, the actual temp was about 8deg. C. below
acceptable limits.
I might note that the joint got designed and built inside out from what it
should have been and one of the engineering changes that they wanted to do
was to cut off the offending joints and put a new one on the right way.
That got nixed as being way too expensive. AFIK, the joints are still
inside out! The most important one is the lowest (there are several of
these joints in the booster) as it's the one that gets the most of the
stress and heat.
--
Bob May
Remember that computers do exactly what you tell them to do, not what you
think you told them to do.
Wayne Manzo
use their technology to make human sacrifices look like accidents.
First, the Challenger was launched from a pad that was mothballed
for the past ten years. Why? Because they expected it to blow up
on the pad.
Second, if you look at the video clips of the crew climbing onto the
elevator shortly before the flight you'll find that all the pad workers
are aliens and it looks like they are expecting an explosion to occur.
The crew was doomed!
Third, the workers who put the SRB together were all aliens and probably
did not apply the caulking in the non-critical area. Personally,
I'd test the SRB in sub-zero temperature without the O-rings. I still
say that blowby without the rings isn't sufficient to burn through the
Oxy-Hydrogen tanks.
Additionally, the "Alien Agency" has the technology to burn through the
O-rings and caulking when the bird is flying in the air.
Hey boys, whtat do you think the tv series "I Dream of Genie" was about?
CoCo Bitch is another "Alien Agency Hive".
You guys are either aliens or dead-heads.
And, there was a motive for killing the crew___that motive is found
if you read my investigative news magazine:
America's Line: The Truth is Here!
Thank you,
Wayne "I deserve a PHD" Manzo,
Publisher, Plaintiff, Scientist
"Daniel A. Mitchell" <danm...@flint.umich.edu> wrote in message news:<3B6ECA58...@flint.umich.edu>...
Chief
> for the past ten years. Why? Because they expected it to blow up
> on the pad.
Is this true? Was the launch from a pad that was not or is not usually
used?
> Second, if you look at the video clips of the crew climbing onto the
> elevator shortly before the flight you'll find that all the pad workers
> are aliens and it looks like they are expecting an explosion to occur.
> The crew was doomed!
Exactly what do these "Aliens" look like? BTW, I'm mocking you.
Trew
This post has Haggis all over it...
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Hugh
Pity might be better! Wayne really does think there are aliens everywhere
Chief
Pity? That depends on what his definition or description of these aliens
is.
Hugh
Well keep reading and you will see for yourself :)
Jekylisland
>>> in a period of several months were prior to the shooting. He stirred
>>> up something somewhere he "shouldn't have".
I don't think who he pissed off is as relevant as to who had most to gain by
his departure. You must admit that foriegn policy was changed in favor of armed
conflict in vietnam immediately after his death..........coincidence? Nope just
good old roman style politics.
Shaun Howell
----------
In article <ca63f034.01080...@posting.google.com>,
wares...@yahoo.com (Wayne Manzo) wrote:
> Classic alien agency hit! I doubt there was even any packing around
> the "O-ring" in the area of the leak.
Uh Wayne, are you sure we're
talking about the same thing?
> Remember, most of those space center workers are "Aliens".
Damned Mexicans taking all our high tech jobs!
> Also, based on my expert experience the "Agency" has the technology
> to cause a leak during liftoff.
Wayne's leaked during liftoff often...
> Doesn't the whole scenario sound very similar to the Air France Concorde
> disaster?
Uh...no.
> Suddenly we find past problem reports about tire blow-out and
> structural damage.
Quick, who do we sue?!
> Both accidents(terroristic acts) have the same M.O. and stink of
> "Alien Agency".
You got anything to back this up
other than the voices in your head?
> I doubt that normal "O-ring" blow by is sufficient to cause such an
> explosion...
Depends on your technique...
> ...and I am also sure that tire debris doesn't have the
> momentum enough to cause the structural damage in the titanium sheeting
> of the SST and fuel tanks of the Concorde.
If only the FAA would take the council
of urine-stained homeless net publishers
more seriously.
> These are "Alien Agency Hits".
Counting down to number one!
> America's Line: The Truth is Here!
> http://madona.tripod.com
> http://www.mansue.com
>
> Censored from the human world so that humans an be systematically slaughtered
> without any resistance.
In all fairness Wayne, you don't
honestly expect the Aliens to make
it easy for you to defeat them do you?
> I need sponsors and publicity!
Also a shower and DEPENDS under garments.
> The movie Star Trek: First Contact is Docu-Drama!
So was that STAR TREK episode where
they dressed up like 20's era gangsters...
> Thank you,
No sweat.
> Wayne Manzo,
> wma...@onebox.com
> 513-766-2003x1110
>
> From the streets of the alien hive city of Cincinnati, Ohio
Home of the "Sizzlin' Nads on a Stick"