Would ET look like us?
Rex
interesting article:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-e-t-look-like-us
Read it first, I'll wait.
I've also wondered, why is it that all aliens in popular sci-fi are
shown as basically humanoid- 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head? (Apart from the
convenience of acting).
Take Star Wars. They show like a zillion species of aliens, but all of
em follow the same body template except for the face, all of em breath
oxygen like us and all speak the same lingo!
For all you know, intelligent life maybe in the form of giant sentient
fungi growing on some planet.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pointers are like jumps, leading wildly from one part of the data
structure to another. Their introduction into high-level languages has been
a step backwards from which we may never recover"
-- C.A.R.Hoare "Hints on Programming Language Design" 1973
Benj
> Here, if y'all can take a break from flinging feces at each other, is an
> interesting article:
>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-e-t-look-like-us
>
> Read it first, I'll wait.
> I've also wondered, why is it that all aliens in popular sci-fi are
> shown as basically humanoid- 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head? (Apart from the
> convenience of acting).
> Take Star Wars. They show like a zillion species of aliens, but all of
> em follow the same body template except for the face, all of em breath
> oxygen like us and all speak the same lingo!
>
> For all you know, intelligent life maybe in the form of giant sentient
> fungi growing on some planet.
This is a very interesting question even from the standpoint of
science fiction stories, let alone serious speculation. The Scientific
American article like all their faith-based propaganda naturally takes
the "traditional view" of such matters and gathers anecdotes to
support it and proselytize for it. Namely:
1. Human beings are the CENTER of the universe.
2. Human beings represent the most intelligent species ever "evolved"
in the universe.
3. Any suggestion that some of the countless number of stars in the
universe might have viable conditions for life is nuts.
4. If by some remote chance there does appear intelligent life other
than human, it clearly must NOT look or act like us so we can ignore
it. (formless energy ball would be good!)
The truth of the matter is that bipedal humanoid forms are in a way
more optimum than some others. Hence it DOES stand to reason that such
forms represent advancement over some others. Consider for a minute
the range of objects from a box of rocks, to plants, to animals (of
all types, fish reptile, bird, mammal) to upright humanoid forms.
Disney propaganda cartoons to the contrary not withstanding, even the
next level down, the animals are not particularly suitable for
advanced civilizations! Sorry kids but animals really can't speak.
Vocal cords aside, their mouths are shaped for other purposes than
forming words. Paws are not really suitable for soldering parts in
advanced electronic devices. And while some humans are actually born
with tails, their utility is rather limited in civilized polite
company.
And it's NOT true that all "aliens" in science fiction are humanoid.
In the Day of the Triffids, the aliens were plants. Talk about your
LAME monster! Some plants pulling themselves around by their roots?
Oh I'm scared to death! It was so lame the satire "attack of the
Killer Tomatoes" was made to make fun of it. Even "body snatchers"
used the premise that since plants are not advanced enough for
civilization, the "pods" had to grab the resident humanoid bodies!
Gene Roddenberry of Star Trek always had a good feel for such things
as well as no fear of experimenting. As a result the various shows did
cover a wide ranger of possibilities including sentient energy balls
and the like. (We will ignore the animal-like forms who somehow had no
problem speaking with their toothed mouths) But again in spite of the
production advantage of humanoid players, generally non-humanoid
aliens seem lame for the very reasons I point out above.
This does not preclude the existence of "sentient energy balls" but
then one does need to produce a mechanism by which they provide for
their needs and actually build things to use. Of course, the
variations possible in even a humanoid form can be vast even allowing
for such civilized necessities as speech and dexterity of hands etc.
But that leads into the final question. Which is we must remember that
traditional science is currently locked into the theory of evolution
by reason of politics. Other options such as intelligent design are
not allowed. But that does not mean that it is not an option. It is
only not an option if you want to keep your job in science. So the
"evolution" idea that everything is made by random chance with only
the viable things remaining suggests that alien humanoids might be
built in myriad ways. But a possibility of "intelligent design" opens
the suggestion that just MAYBE, human beings are NOT the first and
foremost lifeforms in the universe. That just PERHAPS, some other
lifestream attained civilization millions of years before we did. And
that there just MIGHT be the possibility of some alien genetics lab
off in some distant star system where all our human 'features" so
necessary to civilization were actually designed in and then seeded to
this planet. And that therefore it starts to make sense all
latecomers to the universe are designed "in the image" of the first
race. Of course we might be variations on that theme as interesting
"experiments", but nevertheless the theme remains or else of what
interest would the data they take from us be?
Andrew W
> Here, if y'all can take a break from flinging feces at each other, is
> an interesting article:
>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=will-e-t-look-like-us
>
> Read it first, I'll wait.
> I've also wondered, why is it that all aliens in popular sci-fi are
> shown as basically humanoid- 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head? (Apart from the
> convenience of acting).
> Take Star Wars. They show like a zillion species of aliens, but all of
> em follow the same body template except for the face, all of em breath
> oxygen like us and all speak the same lingo!
>
You forgot Jabba the Hut, the sand trap creature, the creature in the
garbage compactor, the one in the asteroid etc.
Rex
>
> You forgot Jabba the Hut, the sand trap creature, the creature in the
> garbage compactor, the one in the asteroid etc.
My bad- I should have specified INTELLIGENT alien life. Sure, there's
lots of fauna in the Starwars universe.
And Hutts are an exception too.
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Sometimes silence is not golden, it's yellow.
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HVAC
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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But that leads into the final question. Which is we must remember that
traditional science is currently locked into the theory of evolution
by reason of politics. Other options such as intelligent design are
not allowed. But that does not mean that it is not an option. It is
only not an option if you want to keep your job in science. So the
"evolution" idea that everything is made by random chance with only
the viable things remaining suggests that alien humanoids might be
built in myriad ways.
Just on it's face, evolution through natural selection is
just about perfect. Anyone capable of independent thought
realizes this at an early age.
But a possibility of "intelligent design" opens
the suggestion that just MAYBE, human beings are NOT the first and
foremost lifeforms in the universe. That just PERHAPS, some other
lifestream attained civilization millions of years before we did. And
that there just MIGHT be the possibility of some alien genetics lab
off in some distant star system where all our human 'features" so
necessary to civilization were actually designed in and then seeded to
this planet.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seeded it when?
The fossil record of evolution is all but complete.
The building blocks of human DNA were around
1/2 a billion years ago. As animals became more complex
and adapted to their enviornment, they changed in ways
the eventually led to us.
If aliens seeded this planet with the building blocks
of life and then let the chips fall where they may, we
could have turned out to be almost anything.
And that therefore it starts to make sense all
latecomers to the universe are designed "in the image" of the first
race. Of course we might be variations on that theme as interesting
"experiments", but nevertheless the theme remains or else of what
interest would the data they take from us be?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This all amounts to mental masturbation.
If you can picture an ancient alien race that looks like humans
developing on an alien world, why do you think it didn't happen
HERE?
Look, I know nobody wants to hear this, but the evidence so far
indicates that we are alone.
Until proven otherwise, that should be everyone's default position.
Otherwise, why not buy into EVERY bullshit thing that comes
down the pike? Ghosts, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, god, etc.
--
HVA� - Shock Treatment For Believers
vtcapo
> "Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
Lets see, I believe in UFO's the evidence is over whelming. Ghosts?
My niece caught one on camera and paranormal events are occurring at
my place in Vermont. Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, anyone’s guess, jury
still out. God? Yeah, like this group can solve this age-old
question. But I will tell you this. When you have had the experience
based on repeated and accurately predicted future events, you come to
realize that the astral realm does exist and that everything is the
result of cause and effect. What force is behind all this suggests a
grand plan. Whatever label you want to give it, know that something is
pulling the strings....
RT
Hagar
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RT
************************************
If your niece stopped going to those Liberal Lefty pep rallies, she would
stop seeing the ghosts ... there are only boogey-men there.
Please cite just ONE incident of any events, predicted in the past, which
then actually occurred and cannot be explained away as pure coincidence.
UFOs are in the eye of the beholder. There are UFO in the true sense of
the original meaning of the acronym, but it since has come to mean AFOs,
or "Alien Flying Objects" and there is absolutely not one shred of physical
or non-photo-shopped evidence proving their existence.
If there are Aliens, and, according to the Drake equation, there should be,
even if one were to use a multiplier of only "1", they would have attributes
common to humans. In all likelihood they would have two eyes, two ears,
a mouth, a nostril, waste disposal orifices and some sort of sexual
propagation equipment. The physical arrangement, however, is anyone's guess.
They definitely would have jointed arms, hands, fingers and opposing thumb
like appendages, as well as 2 or perhaps three ambulatory limbs. But most of
all they would have a brain and a language; they therefore would be, by
default, Republicans.
HVAC
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Lets see, I believe in UFO's the evidence is over whelming.
~
So even a skeptic like ME should believe it right?
OK I'm ready. Make a believer out of me.
Ghosts?
My niece caught one on camera
~
Link? I'll debunk that in less than a minute. Or not.
Show me the proof. I'm ready to believe.
and paranormal events are occurring at
my place in Vermont.
~
Well, of course... Vermont is a well-known bastion of
paranormal (and gay) activity.
Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, anyone�s guess, jury
still out.
~
Only to a rube that buys into every new-age (rhymes with sewage)
bullshit story that comes up Rte. 89.
God? Yeah, like this group can solve this age-old
question.
~
The default position should always be the skeptical position.
"Prove it", should be our motto in life.
Anything else and you sell yourself short.
But I will tell you this. When you have had the experience
based on repeated and accurately predicted future events,
~
Name some. Please be as descriptive as possible so I
can offer alternative explanations.
you come to
realize that the astral realm does exist
~
Why is it that smokers of hashish visit the
'astral realm' more than others?
Coincidence?
and that everything is the result of cause and effect.
~
No everything. The big bang was an acausal event.
What force is behind all this suggests a
grand plan. Whatever label you want to give it, know that something is
pulling the strings....
~
The only one pulling your string is yourself.
For good, for bad, WE are the puppeteer of ourselves.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
vtcapo
Because you lack first hand experience and haven't done adequate
research you expect me to show you the light? Why would I waste my
time trying to make you a believer? We've been down that path a few
times. It's been a totally futile experience. Go get an education.
Put down the books and try experiencing the real world. It is stranger
than you think....
RT
HVAC
Because you lack first hand experience and haven't done adequate
research you expect me to show you the light?
Sure! Why not?
I would LOVE to see the ghost video.
Post it up somewhere and send me the link.
Why would I waste my
time trying to make you a believer? We've been down that path a few
times. It's been a totally futile experience.
~
Is that MY failure or yours?
Go get an education.
Put down the books and try experiencing the real world. It is stranger
than you think....
~
Back atcha..... I suggest YOU pick up a book, a science book.
The world of the REAL is awesome. The world of the fake is... Fake.
Here's some homework- Investigate people who believe in UFO's but
believe that they are evil demons in disguise. Submit your findings to
the group. Be prepared to discuss why they are wrong and YOU are right.
Here's some source material
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEXjPXsrFpw&feature=player_embedded
Double-A
There are reams of photographs and reels of film of UFOs, but what's
the use of showing them? You either believe or you don't, and looking
at the evidence seems to make no difference to anyone.
Double-A
Alan Ford
> Lets see, I believe in UFO's the evidence is over whelming.
LOLZ!!!!!11!!1!
> Ghosts?
> My niece caught one on camera and paranormal events are occurring at
> my place in Vermont.
Are they? Good for you, Nancy Fucking Drew.
> Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, anyone�s guess, jury
> still out.
ZOMG! LOLZ!!1!1!!!!1!
> God? Yeah, like this group can solve this age-old
> question. But I will tell you this. When you have had the experience
> based on repeated and accurately predicted future events, you come to
> realize that the astral realm does exist and that everything is the
> result of cause and effect. What force is behind all this suggests a
> grand plan. Whatever label you want to give it, know that something is
> pulling the strings....
It's called wishful thinking, sleep paralysis and mental disorders.
> ************************************
> If your niece stopped going to those Liberal Lefty pep rallies, she would
> stop seeing the ghosts ... there are only boogey-men there.
>
> Please cite just ONE incident of any events, predicted in the past, which
> then actually occurred and cannot be explained away as pure coincidence.
>
> UFOs are in the eye of the beholder. There are UFO in the true sense of
> the original meaning of the acronym, but it since has come to mean AFOs,
> or "Alien Flying Objects" and there is absolutely not one shred of physical
> or non-photo-shopped evidence proving their existence.
>
> If there are Aliens, and, according to the Drake equation, there should be,
> even if one were to use a multiplier of only "1", they would have attributes
> common to humans. In all likelihood they would have two eyes, two ears,
> a mouth, a nostril, waste disposal orifices and some sort of sexual
> propagation equipment.
Don't forget a heart, kindneys, lungs, spleen, intestines, tell you what
- just make them completely human-like, only gray in color and slanted
eyes to make them look "foreign".
The physical arrangement, however, is anyone's guess.
> They definitely would have jointed arms, hands, fingers and opposing thumb
> like appendages, as well as 2 or perhaps three ambulatory limbs. But most of
> all they would have a brain and a language; they therefore would be, by
> default, Republicans.
Since aliens seem to be traveling millions of light years and once
they've found a planet with intelligent life they limit themselves to
anally probing certain life forms, I would say the odds are good they
are Republicans.
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
vtcapo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks Double-A. Next thing is he'll try to have me apologize for my
experiences....
RT
vtcapo
> Hagar wrote:
> > Lets see, I believe in UFO's the evidence is over whelming.
>
> LOLZ!!!!!11!!1!
>
> > Ghosts?
> > My niece caught one on camera and paranormal events are occurring at
> > my place in Vermont.
>
> Are they? Good for you, Nancy Fucking Drew.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
>>It's called wishful thinking, sleep paralysis and mental disorders.
When you have had the experience you know better. It is what it is
and it's not sleep paralysis or mental disorders. That's science
protecting its paradigm...
RT
HVAC
Thanks Double-A. Next thing is he'll try to have me apologize for my
experiences....
RT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What experiences? Recount them please.
BradGuth
ETs pulling our strings sounds about right, as in toying with us and
perhaps even tweaking our environment, because it's a logically fun
sort of thing for advanced ETs to be doing.
~ BG
george
> There are reams of photographs and reels of film of UFOs, but what's
> the use of showing them? You either believe or you don't, and looking
> at the evidence seems to make no difference to anyone.
A UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object until it is identified
whereupon it becomes an IFO.(Identified Flying object.
Most people watching a movie see an aircraft they cannot identfy have
just seen a UFO on film..
Belief doesn't equate with evidence
Alan Ford
>>> It's called wishful thinking, sleep paralysis and mental disorders.
>
> When you have had the experience you know better. It is what it is
> and it's not sleep paralysis or mental disorders. That's science
> protecting its paradigm...
Yes, mental patients always know better than physicians what's real and
what's not. That's why mental hospitals are filled with perfectly sane
people. It's just science protecting its paradigm.
Still, it is curious, don't you think? I mean, we've been visited by
"aliens" for at least decades, if not millennia, yet all we have to show
for it are some crop circles and sore assholes.
BradGuth
Observationology as based upon those pesky regular laws of physics and
best available science is what our day-by-day deductive logic,
reasoning and best possible interpretations are based upon.
If you can't trust your best deductive instincts, then perhaps you
should never get out of bed, much less interact with other that are
not so utterly dysfunctional..
~ BG
BradGuth
Observationology as based upon those pesky regular laws of physics and
best available science is exactly what our day-by-day deductive logic,
conscious and subconscious reasoning and subsequent best possible
interpretations are based upon, which subsequently controls our future
actions and/or inactions.
If you can't trust your best deductive instincts, then perhaps you
should never get yourself out of bed, much less interact with others
that are not so utterly dysfunctional, and otherwise so deathly afraid
of their own shadow.
~ BG
vtcapo
You are looking in the wrong place (youtube?). You want information,
you go to the Internet. You want to experience paranormal phenomena
you have to search it out in person and experience it firsthand. How
do you do that? Get the camera and audio equipment and go ghost
hunting or find a true medium or psychic. The latter is the most
difficult because of all the charlatans out there. Going the camera/
audio route would probably be your best bet. However, your type of
skepticism would never permit you to believe in the experience if you
had one, let alone convince you to buy the equipment. I was lucky,
the group I was with was in touch with a true psychic and I never had
to search.
I’m afraid you’re fucked. Being attached like you are to your current
paradigm will prevent you from acquiring the experience. Tell me I’m
wrong. Tell me you’re going to buy the camera and audio equipment. Or
tell me you are going to search out a psychic. I think not.
RT
BradGuth
A brainwashed individual is exactly the same as a lost soul. A child
of less than 5th grade still has an open and perfectly deductive
functioning mindset.
~ BG
Yap
You know what, either you are your own self writing this, or you are
being hooked with a string at your back to make sure you write not at
your own will !
So, which one do you want, free of nothing or a robot?
Yap
But, without showing your evidence to explain your position, how could
any one believe it is true?
An example: "I caught a small dragon that can spit fire". Now that is
your own and belongs to you.
Hide it but expect others to admire your catch?
You don't have a case....it is the same as if you did not tell or
relate anything.
Your Double-A buddy is as blur as you.
>
> RT
Yap
times?
>
> I’m afraid you’re fucked. Being attached like you are to your current
> paradigm will prevent you from acquiring the experience. Tell me I’m
> wrong. Tell me you’re going to buy the camera and audio equipment. Or
> tell me you are going to search out a psychic. I think not.
all your assets to me....will you?
You are equating the experience of something intangible with real
thing such as sport.
But if it is the crop circle, then it would be interesting. Even this
we are talking about the appearance of the circle as a real thing, or
can be captured in picture/video.
>
> RT
HVAC
You are looking in the wrong place (youtube?). You want information,
you go to the Internet. You want to experience paranormal phenomena
you have to search it out in person and experience it firsthand. How
do you do that? Get the camera and audio equipment and go ghost
hunting or find a true medium or psychic. The latter is the most
difficult because of all the charlatans out there. Going the camera/
audio route would probably be your best bet. However, your type of
skepticism would never permit you to believe in the experience if you
had one, let alone convince you to buy the equipment. I was lucky,
the group I was with was in touch with a true psychic and I never had
to search.
I�m afraid you�re fucked. Being attached like you are to your current
paradigm will prevent you from acquiring the experience. Tell me I�m
wrong. Tell me you�re going to buy the camera and audio equipment. Or
tell me you are going to search out a psychic. I think not.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey. I live in New Hampshire. I've got FAR more important things to
do with my time.
I gotta go shoot me some roadsigns.
Barbara Travisano
vtcapo
What part of my last post did you not understand? YOU MUST EXPERIENCE
THIS FOR YOURSELF. I have no desire to convinvce anyone. Gave that up
a long time ago.
So.........
RT
vtcapo
Of course you do. I had you figured out a long time ago....
RT
HVAC
What part of my last post did you not understand? YOU MUST EXPERIENCE
THIS FOR YOURSELF.
OK. OK.. Calm down.
Just send me a link to the video of the ghost so I can watch it.
Thx in advance~
Your buddy, Harlow
Hagar
"Alan Ford" <zzz...@qqq.net> wrote in message
news:hdhov8$b74$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> vtcapo wrote:
>
>>>> It's called wishful thinking, sleep paralysis and mental disorders.
>>
>> When you have had the experience you know better. It is what it is
>> and it's not sleep paralysis or mental disorders. That's science
>> protecting its paradigm...
>
>
> Yes, mental patients always know better than physicians what's real and
> what's not. That's why mental hospitals are filled with perfectly sane
> people. It's just science protecting its paradigm.
>
> Still, it is curious, don't you think? I mean, we've been visited by
> "aliens" for at least decades, if not millennia, yet all we have to show
> for it are some crop circles and sore assholes.
>
Don't forget the abducted redneck retards and mutilated cattle ...
They should abduct Nancy Pelosi ... I can just see the Aleeun's
report: Humans are made of Botox and plastic and their brain
runs in a continuous short-circuit node.
Hagar
RT
*********************************
Makes you wish you weren't an anti-gun loon, don't it, crappo ...
vtcapo
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am anti gun but I have my own fair share of firearms. With over 250
million guns out there that we know of and loons like you in
possession of them, only a fool would not arm themselves.....
RT
HVAC
>
> > I gotta go shoot me some roadsigns.
>
> Of course you do. I had you figured out a long time ago....
>
> RT
> *********************************
> Makes you wish you weren't an anti-gun loon, don't it, crappo ...- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am anti gun but I have my own fair share of firearms. With over 250
million guns out there that we know of and loons like you in
possession of them, only a fool would not arm themselves.....
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Then why do you support those who would disarm you?
That makes NO sense at all.
--
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
vtcapo
I support the ban of automatic and semi automatic assault weapons.
But until that is a ban for everyone I will still keep my own...
RT
Nightcrawler
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f357f330-7703-4519...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> I support the ban of automatic and semi automatic assault weapons.
> But until that is a ban for everyone I will still keep my own...
>
> RT
I support the sale of any weapon. Even for felons.
HVAC
>I support the ban of automatic and semi automatic assault weapons.
How can a gun 'assault' someone?
Mike Painter
Why not ask how an automatic can be "semi" or a gun be a hand?
And don't forget that guns don't kill people, bullets do.
The assault weapon has been a class since the Germans invented them in World
War II.
HVAC
"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:HWCLm.24288$Wf2....@newsfe23.iad...
>>
>>> I support the ban of automatic and semi automatic assault weapons.
>>
>>
>> How can a gun 'assault' someone?
>
> Why not ask how an automatic can be "semi" or a gun be a hand?
> And don't forget that guns don't kill people, bullets do.
> The assault weapon has been a class since the Germans invented them in
> World
> War II.
So if I smack vtcapo off the head with a can of beans,
are they 'attack beans'?
Mike Painter
of other beans
I'm not aware of attack beans.
Just as thre are names for beans ther are names for types of weapons,
hunting weapons, military weapons, and a subset of military weapons known as
assault weapons.
You are eithr playing games with words, ignornat, or trying to deflect from
what they are and their intention. They were built to more effectively kill
human beings under combat situations.
Ben Kaufman
Only if they produce large amounts of gas in the digestive process.
Ben
H.
learn before they spout off or keep their damn mouth
shut.
Also I have several thousand rounds of bullets that
have never killed anyone. Only people kill people with
guns.
H.
H.
able to own anything that was "built" for a combat
situation?
H.
Mike Painter
Try reading teh entire thread. I was responding to someone who was playing
with words.
My own view is that they should be controlled the sqmw way that automatic
weapons are.
If you want to own something designd to kill people then get a tax stamp.
Benj
> I am anti gun but I have my own fair share of firearms. With over 250
> million guns out there that we know of and loons like you in
> possession of them, only a fool would not arm themselves.....
Why is this no surprise? Oh I remember. Hanoi Jane Fonda working for
gun control, but was found after a burglary to own guns. When asked
about it, she quipped that those laws were for other people, not for
us!
Benj
> > So what you are saying is that a person should not be
> > able to own anything that was "built" for a combat
> > situation?
> Try reading teh entire thread. I was responding to someone who was playing
> with words.
> My own view is that they should be controlled the sqmw [I think he meant "same"] way that automatic
> weapons are.
> If you want to own something designd to kill people then get a tax stamp.
I know just what you mean. One can only prevent abuse of rights by a
little prior restraint. I mean, I have nothing against black people
and Hispanics voting just so long as they get a [poll] tax stamp or
take a literacy test. I can see you are right on top of this "rights"
issue.
vtcapo
Benj, dumb ass! Only a fool would be unarmed in the US. This does not
conflict with my belief that there are some weapons that should be
banned. In the US, to protect ones domain you should have at a
minimum, one hand gun and a shotgun.
RT
Ben Kaufman
Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Obvious.
Ben
HVAC
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On the other hand, BJ believes in ufo's and other bullshit like that.
He also believes that I am an evil government spook that haunts
these newsgroups.... And we KNOW that ain't true ;-)
BradGuth
You are dealing with morons here (mostly Zionist Republican ones none
the less), thus anything you have to say is going to be screwed with
and turned against you. It's what they do best, and it's why we have
wars.
~ BG
BradGuth
The hell you say. Where's the proof that you're not a government or
rogue spook/mole agent?
You're a pretend Atheist, aren't you?
Does HVAC have anything to do with who you really are?
~ BG
BradGuth
> "Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6840cecc-0f26-4cf4...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> But that leads into the final question. Which is we must remember that
> traditional science is currently locked into the theory of evolution
> by reason of politics. Other options such as intelligent design are
> not allowed. But that does not mean that it is not an option. It is
> only not an option if you want to keep your job in science. So the
> "evolution" idea that everything is made by random chance with only
> the viable things remaining suggests that alien humanoids might be
> built in myriad ways.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Just on it's face, evolution through natural selection is
> just about perfect. Anyone capable of independent thought
> realizes this at an early age.
>
> But a possibility of "intelligent design" opens
> the suggestion that just MAYBE, human beings are NOT the first and
> foremost lifeforms in the universe. That just PERHAPS, some other
> lifestream attained civilization millions of years before we did. And
> that there just MIGHT be the possibility of some alien genetics lab
> off in some distant star system where all our human 'features" so
> necessary to civilization were actually designed in and then seeded to
> this planet.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Seeded it when?
>
> The fossil record of evolution is all but complete.
> The building blocks of human DNA were around
> 1/2 a billion years ago. As animals became more complex
> and adapted to their enviornment, they changed in ways
> the eventually led to us.
>
> If aliens seeded this planet with the building blocks
> of life and then let the chips fall where they may, we
> could have turned out to be almost anything.
>
> And that therefore it starts to make sense all
> latecomers to the universe are designed "in the image" of the first
> race. Of course we might be variations on that theme as interesting
> "experiments", but nevertheless the theme remains or else of what
> interest would the data they take from us be?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> This all amounts to mental masturbation.
>
> If you can picture an ancient alien race that looks like humans
> developing on an alien world, why do you think it didn't happen
> HERE?
>
> Look, I know nobody wants to hear this, but the evidence so far
> indicates that we are alone.
>
> Until proven otherwise, that should be everyone's default position.
>
> Otherwise, why not buy into EVERY bullshit thing that comes
> down the pike? Ghosts, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, god, etc.
>
> --
> HVA© - Shock Treatment For Believers
Then by all means, natural or directed panspermia doesn't exist, at
least not of any kosher panspermia, and therefore space travels and/or
probes by intelligent species is also impossible. Isn't a faith-based
and politically skewed mindset a wonderful thing.
~ BG
Rex
>
> Then by all means, natural or directed panspermia doesn't exist, at
> least not of any kosher panspermia, and therefore space travels and/or
> probes by intelligent species is also impossible. Isn't a faith-based
> and politically skewed mindset a wonderful thing.
>
> ~ BG
But where has panspermia been proven?
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You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I'll bet
he was glad to get rid of it.
-- Groucho Marx
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