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PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY -- Attention FTW Readers

All around this country and around the world, local communities are
beginning to take serious notice and plan for Peak Oil, the collapse of
industrial civilization and sustainability. FTW would like to serve as a
clearing house for these events; a one-stop checkpoint to see where such
planning and preparation is going on around you. We also want a place where
newly planned events can be posted on a web site that averages 15,000
individual visits per day.

Our initial list is located at
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/cgi-bin/PeakOilEvents.cgi.

If you or your community is sponsoring an event having to do with Peak Oil
and/or sustainability and permaculture food production we encourage you to
send the details to (see web site). We will then post it for all to see. We
must accelerate the learning curve. In the wake of hurricane Katrina, the
end of business as usual is no longer in our rear view mirrors. It is
staring at us all through the windshield. And neither government nor Wall
Street is going to save us.

Please distribute this announcement widely to internet lists and web sites.
This is a totally free service to our fellows and it will benefit everyone
who wants to prepare.

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Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'

With efforts focused on helping survivors, corpses lie scattered around the
city. Trucks will serve as roaming morgues.

By Scott Gold and Alan Zarembo,
Times Staff Writers

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included information for research and educational purposes.

NEW ORLEANS — No one knew much about him. He was a black man with
close-cropped hair who looked to be in his 40s. He had a high school class
ring. He had been at the convention center for four days, no different from
thousands of others.

Friday night, he lost it. While others tried to sleep on the sweltering
sidewalk around him, he began to mumble to himself, kicking aside piles of
trash. He yelled something about his missing wife. Just before midnight, a
police car screamed down Convention Center Drive, and from there, the
stories diverge.

Some said he just ended it — ran out in front of the car. Some said he was
trying to flag it down for help when it clipped him. Some said he had a gun
and was either shot or run over.

In some fashion, he died in the street, his blood draining toward the curb
and congealing under a pile of crushed orange juice cartons and dirty
diapers. He was still there Saturday afternoon, and chances are he is still
there today.

"Right where he fell. Like roadkill," said Larry Martin, 35, another
evacuee.

Until now, the nation has focused on the survivors. But at some point in
coming days, as New Orleans continues to depopulate, the city will reach a
tipping point. There may be more dead people here than living as the human
exodus continues. And no one knows what will be done with the bodies.

Paramedics walked Saturday in front of the convention center pushing a
gurney, but did not pause at the man's body. They were trying to rescue an
elderly woman who was bleeding from her right leg and had not gotten out of
her chair in three days.

Twin-blade helicopters thundered overhead, and they were trying to get her
to a hospital in Lafayette.

"I know it's a tragic situation," said Miles Watts, a city paramedic. "But
we need to save people who are alive first. We're going to have to deal with
the dead ones later."

Officials are devising a plan to cope with the dead, but it is still in its
infancy.

Mayor C. Ray Nagin, who predicted that the death toll could reach into the
thousands, said Saturday that officials were assembling refrigerated
18-wheelers that would serve as roaming morgues.

Nagin said it might be impossible to find enough room to bury the bodies;
they might all be cremated.

Unburied corpses present little, if any, risk of infectious diseases,
experts agree. For one thing, people in the Katrina disaster did not die
from infectious disease and thus do not likely harbor infectious agents to
spread. Moreover, infectious agents in corpses do not survive long, said
epidemiologist Oliver Morgan of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
Medicine.

"After these big events, where there are large numbers of fatalities, there
is a rush to dispose of the dead and a lot of scare stories about imminent
epidemics," Morgan said. "But the risk of disease transmission is really
coming from the surviving population."

No one is sure when recovery of those killed by Katrina — whether in the
floodwaters the hurricane left behind or the violence that erupted in its
wake — will begin. It is unclear how those without wallets or papers on
their bodies might be identified. And, of course, it is unclear how many
there will be.

"I don't think we're quite ready for all of that," Nagin said.

Until they are, the bodies continue to surface: on the steps of the
Superdome; in the besieged 9th Ward; at an elementary school where a man's
body washed up on the steps inside a basement classroom; under a freeway
ramp next to a submerged SUV.

Teams searching for survivors in attics and on rooftops have been given
instructions to tie bodies that they encounter to street poles so they can
be collected later.

The dilemma is not restricted to the civilian population. Watts said a
distraught New Orleans police officer shot and killed himself at a staging
area in Algiers, across the Mississippi River from New Orleans, on Friday
night.

"We didn't even have a body bag to put him in," Watts said.

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While Bush promises combat troops and soldiers to fight the dead & dying
'insurgents' in New Orleans in a desperate attempt to prevent civil war
being sparked by a natural disaster, the New Orleans death count reaches
epic proportions due to the US government preventing the rescue of thousands
and Bush gives Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton (Brown & Root drug
runners) billions of dollars to rebuild a city which will be continually
destroyed everytime a hurricane hits it.

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:21:37 GMT,
"http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm" <tr...@R.us> wrote:

>While Bush promises combat troops and soldiers to fight the dead & dying
>'insurgents' in New Orleans in a desperate attempt to prevent civil war
>being sparked by a natural disaster, the New Orleans death count reaches
>epic proportions due to the US government preventing the rescue of thousands
>and Bush gives Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton (Brown & Root drug
>runners) billions of dollars to rebuild a city which will be continually
>destroyed everytime a hurricane hits it.
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Despotic Paranoid Sociopathic Bush Couldn't Care Less About The Dead
in New Orleans, after all it was Bush & Cheney who orchestrated 911

For Bush and Cheney, it's all about Capitalizing on human suffering.

The Enablers

By Chris Floyd

09/15/05 "Moscow Times" -- -- Four years ago, the United States was hit by a
terrorist attack. Three days later, the U.S. Congress signed away the
people's freedom, writing a blank check for tyranny to a ludicrous little
man installed in office after the most dubious election in American history.
Last week, the poisonous after-effects of this abject surrender took yet
another sinister turn, as Bush factotums in the courts once again upheld the
Leader's arbitrary power over the life and liberty of his subjects.

The joint House-Senate resolution of Sept. 14, 2001 -- approved by a
combined vote of 518-1 -- gave President George W. Bush the most sweeping
powers ever granted an American leader. Bush was authorized to use "all
necessary and appropriate force" against any organization or individual that
he alone declared was somehow connected to the Sept. 11 attacks. His
arbitrary will would be the sole deciding factor. This timorous resolution
was, in effect, a repeal of the Magna Carta: the nobles of the land giving
back hard-won rights to a harsh, incompetent despot.

A few critical voices at the time -- this column among them -- noted the
dangers of this panic attack among the political elite. "We must now trust
that this man who can't hold his liquor will be able to hold near-absolute
power without getting drunk on it," we wrote on Sept. 21, 2001. There was of
course no basis for that trust, and it was immediately betrayed. The Bush
Faction seized upon the congressional resolution as an "Enabling Act"
justifying a broad range of unconstitutional measures, including torture,
kidnappings, mass roundups, secret hearings, secret prisons, arrests without
charge, indefinite detention, kangaroo courts, "extrajudicial killings" and,
finally, aggressive war.

In a series of secret "executive orders" and Justice Department memos, the
Bush Faction overturned the Constitution and established a new authoritarian
principle of state: The president, they said, was not bound by any domestic
or international law in his prosecution of the "war on terror." And this
"war" -- an inchoate, amorphous concept covering a multitude of sins -- was
founded upon the carte blanche of Sept. 14.

With Congress in headlong retreat from its responsibilities, the last
bulwark against the floodtide of junta rule is the federal courts. But
these, of course, are now packed with Bush Family retainers and Reaganite
reactionaries, eager to serve the Leader. Last week, for the second time in
three months, a Bush judicial minion under consideration for a Supreme Court
post issued a key ruling upholding the president's dictatorial powers, The
Washington Post reports.

First it was chief justice nominee John Roberts, who was already
interviewing for a high court seat when he pleased his masters by ruling
that Bush had the arbitrary power to create his own parallel justice system
-- the "military tribunals" for his Terror War captives -- and run it as he
sees fit. Now comes Judge J. Michael Luttig, appointed by Bush I and one of
Bush II's leading candidates for the other open Supreme slot. Luttig has
authored an appeals court decision that strikes even deeper at the dying
hulk of American liberty, ruling that Bush can imprison U.S. citizens
indefinitely without charge or trial. All the Leader need do is make a bald
assertion of evildoing, which the defendant is not allowed to challenge or
dispute; indeed, the captive is not even allowed to appear in court.

This was the infamous case of Jose Padilla, the Chicago street punk seized
in a blaze of publicity about a "dirty bomb" plot in 2002. When the "dirty"
scenario was exposed as Bushist fantasy by U.S. intelligence, the feds then
accused Padilla of vague plans to blow up apartment buildings somewhere.
Whatever. Luttig, perhaps with judicial Valhalla in his sights, ruled that
Bush could keep Padilla -- and any other American arbitrarily designated an
"enemy combatant" -- in prison, without charges or trial, for the duration
of the "war on terror." And how long might that be? Vice President Dick
Cheney told us in October 2001 that the war "may never end, at least not in
our lifetime." And the Leader himself declared on Aug. 7, 2002: "There's no
telling how many wars it will take to secure freedom in the homeland." Not
just indefinite but infinite detention, in other words.

So where did Luttig find the "authority" for this breathtaking despotism,
which far outstrips any power held by King George III, the oppressor whose
depredations sparked the American Revolution? Not in the legal code. Not in
the Constitution. Certainly not in the Magna Carta. No, he cited the trusty
Enabling Act of Sept. 14.

Let's not forget one salient point. The federal government already possessed
sufficient powers to find and punish all those involved in the Sept. 11
attack. (Indeed, so draconian were the government's existing powers that
Republican leaders spent the 1990s rightly resisting Bill Clinton's attempts
to expand them.) Just a few years before, the government had tracked,
arrested, tried -- in open court -- and convicted an international band of
Islamic extremists who had bombed the World Trade Center. And for decades,
U.S. presidents have launched an endless series of military incursions in
the name of defending American security.

Thus, the Sept. 14 resolution was not necessary for the government to
respond with "all necessary and appropriate force" to Sept. 11. However, it
was necessary -- indeed, indispensable -- for an unpopular, illegitimate
regime to put its radical agenda of military aggression, unrestricted
corporate predation and elitist rule into practice. No doubt we'll see this
Enabling Act invoked more and more as the unpopular Bushist Faction faces a
rising tide of public dissent and dissatisfaction. Padilla may soon have
plenty of company in his infinite legal limbo.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is

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Palestinian Refugees Give
$10,000 To N.O. Survivors
9-14-5

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) - He says the amount may be small, but it's the
thought that counts.

A representative of a Palestinian refugee council Tuesday presented a check
for $10,000 to give to Hurricane Katrina's victims. The check is made out to
the American Red Cross.

The spokesman says Palestinian refugees donated the money, and that they
understand best what hurricane victims are now going through.

US Consul General Jacob Walles accepted the check at a ceremony in the West
Bank. He says the gift means a lot, especially because it comes from the
poorest Palestinians.

http://www.rense.com/general67/palestinianrefugees.htm

Thank you.

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BLOCKING THE GRETNA BRIDGE

Racism and Resource Scarcity May Be Siamese Twins in a Post-Petroleum World

by
Michael C. Ruppert

© Copyright 2005, From The Wilderness Publications,
www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted,
distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

Septemeber 15, 2005 0800 PST (FTW) – Back in the 1950s a black and white
film – I forget the title – posed a dilemma that will soon confront all of
mankind. It is without doubt a question that most people are totally
unwilling to face. In the wake of the sinking of a cargo ship, a group of
survivors take refuge in an overcrowded lifeboat. The dilemma, which soon
becomes apparent to the tiny ship’s officer in charge, is that there are too
many people aboard the small craft and that it will sink and kill all of
them unless someone is cast overboard. This actually happened in real life
and the officer who made a decision to cast people off was subsequently
exonerated. Instead of sacrificing all lives in a politically correct
gesture, he saved some lives that would otherwise have been lost.

What happened after Hurricane Katrina is a different story.

In the aftermath of the storm we are seeing many ominous warnings of choices
that will come to us all sooner or later as hydrocarbon energy reserves
diminish in America and around the globe. None are easy. None are palatable.
And none are politically correct. But hard science doesn’t care about being
politically correct. Below is a story of what happened when the occupants of
one lifeboat felt threatened at the prospect of taking on too many survivors
– so they took on none. I neither agree with this nor endorse it. In fact it
fills me with rage. The people of Gretna and Tarrytown, places I visited in
1977 during my heartbreaking discovery that the CIA was bringing drugs into
this country, could and should have done better as thousands of New Orleans
refuges started streaming across the Mississippi into these relatively
unscathed communities. Instead of blocking the bridge and threatening to
shoot the “unwashed” masses comprised largely of African-Americans, they had
an obligation to extend aid to whomever they could. At some point also they
would have been justified to say, “That’s enough, we just can’t take any
more.” The fact that no attempt was made at all is what will remain forever
unforgivable about this tragic episode.

It is a lesson for all of us.

As I continue to lift my eyes above the immediate horizon I see choices like
this soon coming at all of us. Will it be the unwashed of Phoenix fleeing to
Scottsdale? The gay, lesbian and Democratic hordes of San Francisco fleeing
north into Marin County? The undereducated poor of Boston heading towards
Martha’s Vineyard or Vermont? Or will it be millions of Manhattanites and
Washington office workers eyeing the Amish farmlands of Pennsylvania and
Ohio?

We are all only one hot, soothing shower away from being unwashed.

The racism of Gretna is obvious and despicable. But it is also predictable.
Psychology 101 in almost all college courses directs our attention to fruit
flies and red sturgeon. It tells how species recognize each other and form
into societies based upon visual recognition. This is neither good nor bad.
It just is and it is also ingrained in human behavior. What this story tells
us is that we must chose to act differently if we are to survive as a
species or even in a few fortunate communities. It’s easy to distinguish
black, brown and yellow from white. It’s also a cop out (pardon the pun).
What happened in Gretna is an archetypal model of what is coming for all of
us and a warning; a very clear warning.

As we confront Peak Oil and Gas, and as we march headlong into a winter of
devastation for the US economy from which there will likely be no recovery,
all of us must force discussion of these issues now so that we can be
prepared when the time comes and not linger in denial until the only option
we have left is to revert to the level of the red sturgeon in panic or of
the Gretna police department – also in panic.

Gretna also reinforces my stated position that local police agencies are
going to become uniquely important as collapse becomes evident. Scientists
like Richard Heinberg and I both see a “devolution” into feudal societies.
Feudal societies were maintained by cadres of local knights and their first
duties were to the people of their barony or fiefdom. This horrible tragedy
took place in a region where racism is about as easy to find as a freshly
shucked oyster used to be, so I am not surprised to see how it played out. I
am only heartbroken.

My fear is how other, supposedly homogeneous communities will react.

How will all the “have” places react when they see the unwashed “have not”
hordes approaching. At some point they will have to say we can’t take any
more. At some point, they will have to defend their supply or risk hastening
a total ecological collapse. But the decisions about whom and how many to
save must be based upon some other criteria than race. Always, wherever
possible, attempts must be made to save those who can be saved. It may be
ultimately necessary to decide whom to save based upon skill sets. These
decisions must be made by the people themselves in each place and not by
Dick Cheney, David Rockefeller, Hillary Clinton or any other elite person or
persons. Ultimately each locality will be forced to make its own choices and
what will decide whether they are correct or not will be solely whether the
community itself survives in nature. Diversity is a key to sustainability. I
pray that we can do better than Gretna and the only way that we will is if
we start talking about it right now.

'Racist' police blocked bridge and forced evacuees back at gunpoint

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 11 September 2005
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article311784.ece

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the
included information for research and educational purposes.

A Louisiana police chief has admitted that he ordered his officers to block
a bridge over the Mississippi river and force escaping evacuees back into
the chaos and danger of New Orleans. Witnesses said the officers fired their
guns above the heads of the terrified people to drive them back and
"protect" their own suburbs.

Two paramedics who were attending a conference in the city and then stayed
to help those affected by the hurricane, said the officers told them they
did not want their community "becoming another New Orleans".

The desperate evacuees were forced to trudge back into the city they had
just left. "It was a real eye-opener," Larry Bradshaw, 49, a paramedic from
San Francisco, told The Independent on Sunday. "I believe it was racism. It
was callousness, it was cruelty."

Mr Bradshaw said the police blocked off the road on the Thursday and Friday
after Hurricane Katrina struck on Monday 29 August. He and his wife Lorrie
Slonsky, also a paramedic, had sheltered with others in the Hotel Monteleone
in the French Quarter.

When food and water ran out they were forced to head for the city's
convention centre, but on the way they heard reports of the chaos and
violence that was taking place there and inside the Superdome where
thousands of people were forced together without running water, toilets,
electricity or air conditioning. So Mr Bradshaw spoke with a senior New
Orleans police officer who instructed them to cross the Crescent City
Connection bridge to Jefferson Parish, where he promised they would find
buses waiting to evacuate them.

They were in the middle of a group of up to 800 people - overwhelmingly
black - walking across the bridge when they heard shots and saw people
running. "We had been hearing shooting for days. What was different about
this was that it was close by," he said.

Making their way towards the crest of the bridge they saw a chain of armed
police officers blocking the route. When they asked about the buses they
were told their was no such arrangement and that the route was being blocked
to avoid their parish becoming "another New Orleans". They identified the
police as officers from the city of Gretna.

The following day Mr Bradshaw said they tried again to cross and directly
witnessed police shooting over the heads of a middle-aged white couple who
were also turned back. Eventually, late on Friday evening, the couple
succeeded in crossing the bridge with the intervention of a contact in the
local fire department.

Arthur Lawson, chief of the Gretna police department, said he had not yet
questioned his officers as to whether they fired their guns.

He confirmed that his officers, along with those from Jefferson Parish and
the Crescent City Connection police force, sealed the bridge and refused to
let people pass. This was despite the fact that local media were informing
people that the bridge was one of the few safe evacuation routes from the
city.

Gretna is a predominantly white suburban town of around 18,000 inhabitants.
In the aftermath of Katrina, three quarters of the inhabitants still had
electricity and running water. But, Chief Lawson told UPI news agency:
"There was no food, water or shelter in Gretna City. We did not have the
wherewithal to deal with these people. If we had opened the bridge our city
would have looked like New Orleans does now - looted, burned and pillaged."

Mr Bradshaw and his wife were evacuated to Texas and have since returned to
California. They condemned the authorities, adding: "This official treatment
was in sharp contrast to the warm, heartfelt reception given to us by
ordinary Texans.

"Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept and racist...
Lives were lost that did not need to be lost."

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While Bush promises combat troops and soldiers to fight the dead & dying
'insurgents' in New Orleans in a desperate attempt to prevent civil war
being sparked by a natural disaster, the New Orleans death count reaches
epic proportions due to the US government preventing the rescue of thousands
and Bush gives Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton (Brown & Root drug
runners) billions of dollars to rebuild a city which will be continually
destroyed everytime a hurricane hits it.

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Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'

With efforts focused on helping survivors, corpses lie scattered around the
city. Trucks will serve as roaming morgues.

By Scott Gold and Alan Zarembo,
Times Staff Writers

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed

without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the
included information for research and educational purposes.

NEW ORLEANS — No one knew much about him. He was a black man with

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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:03:06 GMT, "http://www.copvcia.com" <tr...@R.us>
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>Pity they never learned how to take care of themselves.

And yet they want global mind control under the guise of "weather control".

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While Bush promises combat troops and soldiers to fight the dead & dying
'insurgents' in New Orleans in a desperate attempt to prevent civil war
being sparked by a natural disaster, the New Orleans death count reaches
epic proportions due to the US government preventing the rescue of thousands
and Bush gives Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton (Brown & Root drug
runners) billions of dollars to rebuild a city which will be continually
destroyed everytime a hurricane hits it.

Now Bush et al have retreated to underground, as they prepare for the
upcoming petro collapse and weather wars by having SS troops march the
streets of the USA.

How the mighty have fowled things up in the USA.

Pity they never learned how to take care of themselves.

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Russia ’s Largest Oil Producer Lukoil Opens Office in China

23.09.2005
MosNews
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/09/23/lukoilchinaoffice.shtml

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On Thursday, Sept. 22, Russia’s largest private oil company Lukoil conducted
a ceremonial opening of its new office in Beijing, China.

Valery Golovushkin, the company’s vice president was quoted by RIA Novosti
as saying: “Lukoil is ready to deliver to China as much oil as the
infrastructure allows.”

He added that the opening of the office in China would enable the company to
obtain detailed information on projects that Lukoil hopes to take part in.

He said the company firstly intended to increase oil deliveries to China via
pipelines. “A pipeline from Kazakhstan to China with a total annual output
of 20 million metric tons will become operational by the end of this year,”
Golovushkin added. The pipeline will enable direct oil deliveries to China
from West Siberia, and Lukoil is ready to supply oil according to its quota.

He said railroad oil deliveries were not planned since they were not
profitable for Russian companies due to the high transportation costs.

He added that Russia needed deeper seaports in order to increase its oil
exports. The port in Novorossiisk can only receive tankers with a
displacement of 130-140 metric tons. It is not profitable for tankers like
that to transport oil long distances, he said.

Lukoil annually exports 50 million metric tons of oil and some 15 million
tons of oil products. “How oil exports develop in the future depends solely
on economic factors,” Golovushkin said.

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[Alan Greenspan has been preparing to step down as the Fed Chairman at the
end of the year for some time. What does he know that we don’t? “Apres moi,
le deluge.” Here he is seen frankly admitting to G7 ministers that the
deficit is out of control. The US economy is a hairsbreadth from
capitulation, even now as Greenspan continues to quietly warn on the housing
bubble and rising consumer debt. Woe to those who keep borrowing against
illusory equity in their homes just to keep up or pay increased energy
bills. – MCR]

Greenspan to French finmin: US lost deficit control

By Paul Carrel
September 25, 2005
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/09/25
/greenspan_to_french_finmin_us_lost_deficit_control/

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told
France's Finance Minister Thierry Breton the United States has "lost
control" of its budget deficit, the French minister said on Saturday.

"'We have lost control,' that was his expression," Breton told reporters
after a bilateral meeting with Greenspan.

"The United States has lost control of their budget at a time when racking
up deficits has been authorized without any control (from Congress)," Breton
said.

"We were both disappointed that the management of debt is not a political
priority today," he added.

Ministers from the Group of Seven rich nations on Friday called for vigorous
action around the world to curb rising imbalances in international trade and
investment accounts.

A decrease in the U.S. budget deficit were cited by the G7 as one way to
ease those imbalances. U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said the U.S.
administration was still committed to halving its budget deficit by 2009.

Breton spoke as International Monetary Fund Managing Director Rodrigo Rato
said U.S. plans to cut its government expenditures now looked ambitious in
the light of huge reconstruction costs to be borne in the wake of Hurricane
Katrina.

Breton said: "The situation that is creating tension today on the currency
market ... is clearly the American deficit."

The United States needed to address its budget deficit, he said, adding: "It
seems to me that my counterpart John Snow is completely aware of this, he
wants to harness the problem, but it seems to me he doesn't have the room
for maneuver."

Breton added that after hearing Greenspan talk about inflation: "One has the
feeling -- though he didn't say so -- that interest rates will probably
continue to rise slightly until his departure."

Greenspan is due to step down as Fed chairman in January after 18 years in
the post.

Asked if G7 finance chiefs would meet as usual in February next year as well
as gathering for an extraordinary meeting in December this year -- partly to
pay tribute to Greenspan before his departure -- the French finance chief
said: "Yes, yes. Next February as well."

He said France was "not against" the idea of enlarging the Group of Seven, a
notion that has gained impetus at these meetings.

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Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'

With efforts focused on helping survivors, corpses lie scattered around the
city. Trucks will serve as roaming morgues.

By Scott Gold and Alan Zarembo,
Times Staff Writers

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed

without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the
included information for research and educational purposes.

NEW ORLEANS — No one knew much about him. He was a black man with

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New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina

Update!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Friday, October 14, 2005; Posted: 12:55 p.m. EDT (16:55 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/14/Franklin/index.html

Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin

SPECIAL REPORT

(CNN) -- The federal government has not yet delivered promised financial
aid to some cities that welcomed, fed and resettled Hurricane Katrina
evacuees, leaving those cities struggling to pay the bills on their own.

CNN anchor Miles O'Brien on Friday spoke about the challenges facing one
city with Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin. Atlanta took in 42,000 families
fleeing the disaster.

O'BRIEN: All right, let's talk about this, 42,000 families. You're a big
city. It's a prosperous city, but that still puts a burden on the city,
doesn't it?

FRANKLIN: Well, it certainly does, but I don't think it's a burden that FEMA
[Federal Emergency Management Agency] can't help us to address.

The Congress and the president have allocated $62 billion. Our estimates are
that a family needs assistance for about six months in order to stabilize
themselves and that would cost about $11,000 per family. The city of Atlanta
can't absorb that cost, but we can certainly work with FEMA, if they were
willing, to help families get resettled in the city and the metropolitan
area.

O'BRIEN: So 11,000 times 42,000. I can't do that kind of math on the fly
here. But how much of that money have you seen?

FRANKLIN: Well, we haven't seen any of that money.

O'BRIEN: Oh -- zero. It's just like the mayor of Baton Rouge yesterday, a
big doughnut.

FRANKLIN: Big doughnut.

O'BRIEN: Why?

FRANKLIN: We don't have any idea. I mean, I'm pretty much on record saying
that we've been talking to FEMA since the storm, offering to assist, and I
mean, it's like talking to a brick wall.

We identified over a thousand affordable units in our city, but we finally
decided -- I threw up my hands a few weeks ago, and the city decided to go
ahead and allocate about $500,000 to start working to resettle families
ourselves with really no hope of being reimbursed by the federal government.

O'BRIEN: So what happens is the individual taxpayers in the city of Atlanta,
basically, go on the hook, and it's a generous group of people, we know
that, but nonetheless, this is something the federal government has said it
would help out in.

And when you say brick wall. What happens? They put you on hold and
voice-mail? Can you get through? Do you get a busy signal? What are they
telling you?

FRANKLIN: Well, they're just telling us that their regulations require the
city of Atlanta to lease property and then to release that property to
evacuees. Well, the city of Atlanta is 400,000, and as you know, and there
are lots of other jurisdictions. We're not in a position to do that. What we
are in a position to do is to connect FEMA, the evacuees, with our real
estate agencies, with our own properties.

O'BRIEN: Why not -- mayor, why don't they do just a simple voucher system,
and people will be able to make their own choices in these matters, and it
would kind of settle itself out that way, instead of hanging everybody up,
the cities, and the municipalities and all these complicated rules that
can't be applied to the real world.

FRANKLIN: I have no idea. Congress and the president have appropriated the
funds. For some reason, they can find a way to give vouchers for private
education at $7,500 per student, even for students who are in public schools
along the Gulf Coast, but they cannot find a way to come up with even $7,500
for families to relocate and resettle.

It doesn't make any sense. It's baffling to all of us. We're really
discouraged. Most of us are trying to find other ways to help these
families.

O'BRIEN: You know, you're not a person who gets easily discouraged. You're
the kind of person who doesn't like to take no for an answer. What are you
going to do?

FRANKLIN: Well, we continue to talk to our delegation, our Georgia
delegation. We continue to talk to FEMA. We believe that the governor of
Georgia, Governor Perdue, has similar concerns. We are just doing the best
we can, one family at a time.

The city has allocated funds for the first 50 families, and as they get
situated and settled, we'll continue to try to find the resources to help
these families out. If we don't do that, we will create a new class of poor
people, who prior to the hurricane had homes, had apartments, had jobs, had
cars. FEMA is just completely off base.

Art Deco

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http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:

>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>
>Update!
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'

Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.

[screed flush]

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."

"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

Earl Dombroski

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Hi Art,

> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.

Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be less
of it.

Langue,
Earl

"Facing the Reaper and his work since I was 4, and wishing it on no
one."

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On 16 Oct 2005 13:17:27 -0700, "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi Art,
>
>> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>
>Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be less
>of it.

Then art and his dick cheney ubermasters wouldn't have so much fun making
money!

Natural disasters are big capitalist business!

First the government allocates funds to help the disaster victims, then it
gives the money to Halliburton!

AND art gets a raise for posting to usenet!

Simple really.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:14:21 -0700, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm saying that I'm for population control.

In the USA? How about some depleted uranium poisoning for your troops?

That's guaranteed to reduce the US population by at least one third in the
next 10 years!

AND it was good for the economy too -- look how much Lockheed made from
manufacturing and selling the bombs, and Dick Cheney's wife helped by being
on the board of directors.

Wasn't that sweet? Lockheed gave all of those US workers the big buck jobs
to kill their own children.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:28:41 AM10/17/05

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:28:51 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:HeKdncjcuaD...@comcast.com...
>>
>> <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:diuvrd$a5s$0...@pita.alt.net...
>> >
>> > "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YIadnTxlda4...@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1129493847.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Hi Art,
>> >> >
>> >> >> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be
>less
>> >> > of it.
>> >>
>> >> Then, would we not be overrun by Chinese? Christ, there must be a
>> >> couple of billion of 'em by now.
>> >
>> > What do you think their government manages such amount of people with?
>>
>> Great difficulty.
>
>More difficult than the US manages Iraq?

More difficult than the US manages disaster relief?

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:34:46 AM10/17/05

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>
>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>
>>Update!
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>
>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.

Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'

And illegal on two federal counts.

How much time would you like to spend in jail with your friends, George Bush
and Dick Cheney, providing they're lucky and don't receive the death
sentence for being traitors to the United States of America.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:37:09 AM10/17/05

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>
>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>
>>Update!
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>
>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.

Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:42:29 AM10/17/05

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:22 -0700, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>

><yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:diuvrd$a5s$0...@pita.alt.net...
>>
>> "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:YIadnTxlda4...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1129493847.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Hi Art,
>>> >
>>> >> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be less
>>> > of it.
>>>
>>> Then, would we not be overrun by Chinese? Christ, there must be a
>>> couple of billion of 'em by now.
>>
>> What do you think their government manages such amount of people with?
>
> Great difficulty.

Do you really think the USA is more technologically advanced than China?
If so, think again. The US brain dead have spent way too much time being
brainwashed by the Rothschild Jewish controlled media aka Ruppert Murdoch.

Besides, the Chinese are quite aware of Tesla devices. In fact it shouldn't
be a surprise to anyone if it became known that the Chinese are already
using free energy devices.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:43:27 AM10/17/05

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He's a homosexual and cruising for a life time supply if he goes to see
Bubba.

ROFL!
>
>>
>>
>

Jack Gillen

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:44:09 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
news:osd6l1d25jq60tpsp...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>>
>>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>>
>>>Update!
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>>
>>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>
> Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'

So you admit you're Alexa?

>
> And illegal on two federal counts.

Which ones? Pleace to be citing them.

>
> How much time would you like to spend in jail with your friends, George
> Bush
> and Dick Cheney, providing they're lucky and don't receive the death
> sentence for being traitors to the United States of America.

When were they charged? Or did this all happen in your alternate reality?

(froups line fixored)

--
"If you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" --- Miles Davis

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 1:45:23 AM10/17/05

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:44:09 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>news:osd6l1d25jq60tpsp...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>>>
>>>>Update!
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>>>
>>>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>>
>> Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'
>
>So you admit you're Alexa?

No, you freaking dumbass. Who the fuck is alexa?

>
>>
>> And illegal on two federal counts.
>
>Which ones? Pleace to be citing them.

Learn to spell dean, you're a has been.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:44:09 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>

wrote:

>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>news:osd6l1d25jq60tpsp...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>>>
>>>>Update!
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>>>
>>>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>>
>> Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'
>
>So you admit you're Alexa?

No, you freaking dumbass. Who the fuck is alexa?
>
>>

>> And illegal on two federal counts.
>
>Which ones? Pleace to be citing them.

Learn to spell dean, you're a has been.
>
>>

Jack Gillen

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>>
>>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>>
>>>Update!
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>>
>>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>
> Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'

You don't know what "hate crime" means, do you, Alexa?

> And illegal on two federal counts.

C'mon, Alexa, which federal laws is Art breaking? Name 'em. Describe 'em.
You can't just make shit up as you go along and call it a "federal count."
If you could, there'd be a federal law requiring all homes to be supplied
with hot and cold running tequila, now, wouldn't there? Give us (tinu)
something, anything, that at least suggests your not just talking out of
your ass.

>
> How much time would you like to spend in jail with your friends, George
> Bush
> and Dick Cheney, providing they're lucky and don't receive the death
> sentence for being traitors to the United States of America.

(froups line fixored again, it's alt.politics.bush, not alt.politics,bush,
you psycho.)

yyyiii...@yahoo.com

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Oct 17, 2005, 2:16:33 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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Thanks for the tip so I don't fall for faggot trick.

>
> ROFL!
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>

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Oct 17, 2005, 2:24:01 AM10/17/05

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:13:56 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

You and your butt buddy david really believe you're getting anywhere,
dumbass?

why don't you two get a room and wait for george & dick to be hanged.

Unless of course someone takes a pot shot at them.

You're not popular you know.

Maybe you should try a few lessons in humility?

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-"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
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That's what I thought. Alexa, in case no one has told you today (and I would
find that hard to believe), you're batshit crazy. Milky in the philbert. One
clown shy of a circus. Loopier than a can of Spaghettios. Can you see what
I'm gettin' at here....?

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:37:28 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>> you'd better attend to your own ass, it's not covered anymore

>
>That's what I thought.

Good, get a bullet proof vest too, it's getting nasty.

hoo...@aol.com

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Oct 17, 2005, 2:48:55 AM10/17/05

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Public execution for traitors Start with all lobbyists for Israel. All
Americans that constantly support revocation of constitutional laws by the
Patriot Act. All War Criminals starting with bush and Cheney. And every
fucker at the FBI and ATF, CIA and NSA....lets just add in the IRS they
really aren't traitors...but hey...They are thieves. And every fucker that
tells me the 2nnd ammendment did not mean this gun or that gun because teh
foudners couldnt have concived of modern firepower or because I dont need
them. FUCK YOU I WANT them and why I do is none of your business you slack
jawed faggot. The idea that that wise men like the Founders of this nation
many of whom who were miltiary men at one point could not concive of
evolution of engineering and military devolpment is MONUMENTALY ASSININE.
So kill all those fuckers first. Thats alot of people...yeah it is but
seeing Americans are fucking animals killing each other at record rates
daily I doubt it will be noticed.

Now.... to all idiots that would evern dare tell me I am a traitor..... FUCK
YOU you are a partisan fanaitc and far closer to somebody not supportive of
the Fathers of this nations ideals then I ever could be So eat shit and
die. To all babling turds whinning about profanity.....FUCK YOU. ... your
muderous hateful scum that talk about killing all a whole race and religion
of people and claim GOD wants you... wich is truly profane. A WORD is not.
To all you obnoxious narscisitic twats that will say I dont know you. GOOD
but I know your kind and thats enough regardless of what protest you offer
to the contrary.

To EVERYBODY take your constant and ludicris zombie ass statemtnts of
Neo-nazi this and that and shove them up your ass This contry is obcessed
with NAZIS your fuck in the head for living in the past its not a valid
statment its not hurtful insult its JUST INDICATING YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT!

To all of you that will STILL INSIST that only dumb people swear....THEN
LOOK A DICK CHENEY YOU FUCKING TWAT. If your are so stupid and shallow you
can see past a WORD then you are the MAJOR problem in ths country. Its
fucking zombie fools like you that only react to pre programed phrases and
words that allow the THEIVEING SHIT we call leaders to run this coutnry
into the ground.

To any fuckhead bufoon that would think I would be anything but amused and
your pitful brain dead babblinng about calling the FBI fuck you and your
babbling bullshit. Those fucking idiots cant find there own ass with both
hands.

lets kill all of you. Sounds stupid? YEAH everytime you say lets kill
people it does. Thats why this is a country of fucking stupid animals.
America...please...JOIN THE HUMAN FUCKING RACE.

PS ONLY CHILDREN point fingers at others and say..BUT HES DONG IT....OR HE
DID THAT AND ITS WORSE....TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOURSLEVES!!

PS 2 : I KNOW I SPELLED IT WRONG YOU IGNORANT ANAL RETENTIVE FUCK!!

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:48:55 GMT, <hoo...@aol.com> wrote:

>Public execution for traitors

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Oct 17, 2005, 3:00:39 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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Not so much "warned" as "screedbombed"....

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:00:39 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>Not so much "warned" as "screedbombed"....

Tell that to the 150 CIA agents who were killed because your boss had a
temper tantrum.

yyyiii...@yahoo.com

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What joke? Since he's gay he helps reducing population?

Jack Gillen

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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Who, Alexa, do you imagine my "boss" to be? And what would he have to do
with any CIA agents getting killed? Or is all of this, again, only happening
in your alternate reality? You realize, of course, that by "alternate
reality" I mean "tightly woven paranoid delusional system," right?

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 3:09:24 AM10/17/05

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:06:22 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>news:o1j6l156rqgb0r1i8...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:00:39 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Not so much "warned" as "screedbombed"....
>>
>> Tell that to the 150 CIA agents who were killed because your boss had a
>> temper tantrum.
>>
>>
>
>Who, Alexa,

Who do you imagine alexa to be?

>do you imagine my "boss" to be?

Satan?

> And what would he have to do
>with any CIA agents getting killed? Or is all of this, again, only happening
>in your alternate reality? You realize, of course, that by "alternate
>reality" I mean "tightly woven paranoid delusional system," right?

Nice projection.

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Oct 17, 2005, 3:10:43 AM10/17/05

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No, he's also a paranoid, homicidal maniac.

Jack Gillen

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Oct 17, 2005, 3:12:24 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:06:22 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>news:o1j6l156rqgb0r1i8...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:00:39 -0500, "Jack Gillen"
>>> <jgi...@centurytel.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not so much "warned" as "screedbombed"....
>>>
>>> Tell that to the 150 CIA agents who were killed because your boss had a
>>> temper tantrum.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Who, Alexa,
>
> Who do you imagine alexa to be?

You know...you...

>
>>do you imagine my "boss" to be?
>
> Satan?

Okay, I'll give you that one...

yyyiii...@yahoo.com

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Oct 17, 2005, 3:13:42 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

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Why the joke is on me?

Bookman

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:01:08 GMT, "http://www.icehouse.net/john34"
<tr...@R.us> wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:44:09 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
>wrote:
>
>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>news:osd6l1d25jq60tpsp...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.icehouse.net/john34 <tr...@R.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>New Orleans: Hurricane Katrina
>>>>>
>>>>>Update!
>>>>>
>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>Bodies Are Strewn 'Like Roadkill'
>>>>
>>>>Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>>>
>>> Your wild public accusations are nothing but a hate crime, 'deco'
>>
>>So you admit you're Alexa?
>
>No, you freaking dumbass. Who the fuck is alexa?

Alexa Cameron is a ko0k who believes in non-existant konspiracie,
fake "free energy" gadgets, and other go0fy things, and currently
poasts as "http://www.icehouse.net/john34", Alexa. Do you understand
who you are now?

>>
>>>
>>> And illegal on two federal counts.
>>
>>Which ones? Pleace to be citing them.
>
>Learn to spell dean, you're a has been.

I think he can spell "dean", Alexa. Pleace to be citing
teh "federal courts", as he requested.

>>
>>>
>>> How much time would you like to spend in jail with your friends, George
>>> Bush
>>> and Dick Cheney, providing they're lucky and don't receive the death
>>> sentence for being traitors to the United States of America.
>>
>>When were they charged? Or did this all happen in your alternate reality?
>>
>>(froups line fixored)

ESL!

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Oct 17, 2005, 4:21:33 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

news:3ki6l1dlnq57g45fo...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:48:55 GMT, <hoo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Public execution for traitors
>
> Any American citizen subverting the US government for a foreign nation is
> a
> traitor and the maximum penalty for that is the death sentence.
>
> Period.
>

One vote for the isreali Lobby

hoo...@aol.com

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Oct 17, 2005, 4:22:18 AM10/17/05

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"Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:JY-dnW30_ZC...@centurytel.net...

> <hoo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:rPH4f.434$5i....@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> <nut rant flushed>
>
> Whoa, no more Jolt Cola for you....
>
> --

So wheres the part where I am supposed to give shit?

hoo...@aol.com

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Oct 17, 2005, 4:24:18 AM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

news:5oi6l19ne9m721u9m...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:48:55 GMT, <hoo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Public execution for traitors
>
> Any American citizen subverting the US government for a foreign nation is
> a
> traitor and the maximum penalty for that is the death sentence.
>
> The Us Constitution and Bill of Rights *IS* the US government.
>
> Period.

To bad our "leaders" dont know that. And the Citzens let them get away with
not knowing it.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 12:29:09 PM10/17/05

to

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:12:24 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>news:afj6l1t04v932uvvn...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:06:22 -0500, "Jack Gillen" <jgi...@centurytel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>>news:o1j6l156rqgb0r1i8...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:00:39 -0500, "Jack Gillen"
>>>> <jgi...@centurytel.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not so much "warned" as "screedbombed"....
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to the 150 CIA agents who were killed because your boss had a
>>>> temper tantrum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Who, Alexa,
>>
>> Who do you imagine alexa to be?
>
>You know...you...

You have a vivid imagination.

Please check yourself into the nearest psychiatric facility for
a straight jacket.

>>
>>>do you imagine my "boss" to be?
>>
>> Satan?
>
>Okay, I'll give you that one...

Yeah, Mikey Aquino's pet snake.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 17, 2005, 12:40:44 PM10/17/05

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."

"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

Ugly Bob

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Oct 17, 2005, 11:19:08 PM10/17/05

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<yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:div5q9$2mi$0...@pita.alt.net...

>
> "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:HeKdncjcuaD...@comcast.com...
>>
>> <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:diuvrd$a5s$0...@pita.alt.net...

>> >
>> > "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> > news:YIadnTxlda4...@comcast.com...

>> >>
>> >> "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:1129493847.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Hi Art,

>> >> >
>> >> >> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>> >> >

>> >> > Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be
> less
>> >> > of it.
>> >>
>> >> Then, would we not be overrun by Chinese? Christ, there must be a
>> >> couple of billion of 'em by now.
>> >
>> > What do you think their government manages such amount of people with?
>>
>> Great difficulty.
>
> More difficult than the US manages Iraq?

Absolutely.

>> >> > Langue,
>> >> > Earl
>> >> >
>> >> > "Facing the Reaper and his work since I was 4, and wishing it on no
>> >> > one."
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Ugly Bob

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Oct 17, 2005, 11:21:01 PM10/17/05

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"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message

news:f6e6l1lmaft9n9j4p...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:22 -0700, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:diuvrd$a5s$0...@pita.alt.net...
>>>
>>> "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:YIadnTxlda4...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1129493847.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > Hi Art,
>>>> >
>>>> >> Nothing else gets Alexa as excited as death.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe if more people were excited over senseless death, there'd be
>>>> > less
>>>> > of it.
>>>>
>>>> Then, would we not be overrun by Chinese? Christ, there must be a
>>>> couple of billion of 'em by now.
>>>
>>> What do you think their government manages such amount of people with?
>>
>> Great difficulty.
>

> Do you really think the USA is more technologically advanced than China?

Yes.

> If so, think again. The US brain dead have spent way too much time being
> brainwashed by the Rothschild Jewish controlled media aka Ruppert Murdoch.
>
> Besides, the Chinese are quite aware of Tesla devices. In fact it
> shouldn't
> be a surprise to anyone if it became known that the Chinese are already
> using free energy devices.

Free energy toasters?

Ugly Bob

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Oct 17, 2005, 11:21:49 PM10/17/05

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<yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:div5iu$1pk$0...@pita.alt.net...

>
> "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:CKydnZtvJLi...@comcast.com...

>>
>> "Earl Dombroski" <earl.do...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:1129513827.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hi Ugly Bob,
>> >
>> > Not sure of your logic. If I'm following, you imply that China has
>> > more senseless deaths and if those are removed, then that would give
>> > them the critical mass to overrun us.
>> >
>> > Interesting, interesting.
>> >
>> > I wish I'd seen this earlier. I just got off the phone with my friend,
>> > Feng, on mainland China. I would have liked his opinion over my own as
>> > to the hypothesis that increased sensitivity leads to the danger of
>> > Chinese zombies overrunning us.
>> >
>> > Chewing on that logic for a while, I find that it tastes like chicken -
>> > easy to defend the description, but nothing special, fits a lot things
>> > (if poorly).
>> >
>> > My own opinion is that we have nothing to fear from your chicken
>> > Chinese zombies, and everything to fear from the spectre of our own
>> > deprecation because we don't always answer the calls of our times.
>> >
>> > Either that, or I know a priori that chicken Chinese zombies would
>> > befriend me - so I don't care how fast they run. I might even sell
>> > them shoes.
>> >
>> > Faced with seeing me with so many new zombie friends on the move while
>> > you huddle in fear of being trampled - I don't envy your world, UB, I
>> > surely don't.
>>
>> I'm saying that I'm for population control.
>
> Have you done your part to curb your jism?

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:11:58 PM10/18/05

to

Well let's start with not wasting energy on luxury items that people don't
really need, like expensive cable television and cell phones.

That would save the average American about $200 a month.

>
>>
>> see ya!
>>
>

PJR

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:30:33 PM10/18/05

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:58 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
<tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:

Pssst. If the energy is free, how does reducing consumption save
money, Alexa?

PJR :-)
--
alt.usenet.kooks award-winners and FAQ:
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/>

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:36:33 PM10/18/05

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On 18 Oct 2005 18:30:33 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:58 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:42:19 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>>news:d009l1l5q89cro91h...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:29 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I have a new moniker now: FreeEnergyStore.
>>>>
>>>> Given the human race is in the throes of decline, those who'd like to live
>>>> their last days in peace need to head for the hills and use free energy.
>>>
>>>FreeEnergyStore would be a protected market for all kinds of inventoresses.
>>
>> Well let's start with not wasting energy on luxury items that people don't
>> really need, like expensive cable television and cell phones.
>>
>> That would save the average American about $200 a month.
>
>Pssst. If the energy is free,

Most people are not aware of free energy devices and rely on the status quo
to guide them. Alas, they have not.

So its BARACUDA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

>how does reducing consumption save
>money,

Canceling one's internet service?

TIME IS MONEY!

> Alexa?

YOU'RE WASTING YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND MONEY
>
>
>PJR :-)

PJR

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:50:36 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:36:33 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
<tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:

> On 18 Oct 2005 18:30:33 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:58 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
>><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:42:19 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>>>news:d009l1l5q89cro91h...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:29 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I have a new moniker now: FreeEnergyStore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the human race is in the throes of decline, those who'd like to live
>>>>> their last days in peace need to head for the hills and use free energy.
>>>>
>>>>FreeEnergyStore would be a protected market for all kinds of inventoresses.
>>>
>>> Well let's start with not wasting energy on luxury items that people don't
>>> really need, like expensive cable television and cell phones.
>>>
>>> That would save the average American about $200 a month.
>>
>>Pssst. If the energy is free,
>
> Most people are not aware of free energy devices and rely on the status quo
> to guide them. Alas, they have not.
>
> So its BARACUDA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

So its TEQUILA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>how does reducing consumption save
>>money,
>
> Canceling one's internet service?

You first.

> TIME IS MONEY!
>
>> Alexa?
>
> YOU'RE WASTING YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND MONEY

Oh no! My valuable time and money are DOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:57:20 PM10/18/05

to

On 18 Oct 2005 18:50:36 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:36:33 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>
>> On 18 Oct 2005 18:30:33 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:58 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
>>><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:42:19 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>>>>news:d009l1l5q89cro91h...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:29 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I have a new moniker now: FreeEnergyStore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the human race is in the throes of decline, those who'd like to live
>>>>>> their last days in peace need to head for the hills and use free energy.
>>>>>
>>>>>FreeEnergyStore would be a protected market for all kinds of inventoresses.
>>>>
>>>> Well let's start with not wasting energy on luxury items that people don't
>>>> really need, like expensive cable television and cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> That would save the average American about $200 a month.
>>>
>>>Pssst. If the energy is free,
>>
>> Most people are not aware of free energy devices and rely on the status quo
>> to guide them. Alas, they have not.
>>
>> So its BARACUDA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
>So its TEQUILA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's survival! and you can't predict how people will behave when forced to
survive! Nor can you control their 'spending habits'.

IT'S TIME TO GIVE YOUR MORTGAGE BACK TO THE ROTHSCHILDS.

SEND THEM THE KEYS, AND GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER!

THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS OVER THEIR CREDIT LIMIT, AND WOULD SAVE THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS A MONTH BY LIQUIDATING THEIR MORTGAGE OBLIGATIONS!

>
>>>how does reducing consumption save
>>>money,
>>
>> Canceling one's internet service?
>
>You first.

It's coming soon!

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:03:30 PM10/18/05

to

On 18 Oct 2005 18:50:36 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:36:33 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>
>> On 18 Oct 2005 18:30:33 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:11:58 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
>>><tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:42:19 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"http://www.icehouse.net/john34" <tr...@R.us> wrote in message
>>>>>news:d009l1l5q89cro91h...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:29 -0700, <yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I have a new moniker now: FreeEnergyStore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the human race is in the throes of decline, those who'd like to live
>>>>>> their last days in peace need to head for the hills and use free energy.
>>>>>
>>>>>FreeEnergyStore would be a protected market for all kinds of inventoresses.
>>>>
>>>> Well let's start with not wasting energy on luxury items that people don't
>>>> really need, like expensive cable television and cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> That would save the average American about $200 a month.
>>>
>>>Pssst. If the energy is free,
>>
>> Most people are not aware of free energy devices and rely on the status quo
>> to guide them. Alas, they have not.
>>
>> So its BARACUDA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
>So its TEQUILA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's survival! and you can't predict how people will behave when forced to

survive! Nor can you control their 'spending habits'.

IT'S TIME TO GIVE YOUR MORTGAGE BACK TO THE ROTHSCHILDS.

SEND THEM THE KEYS, AND GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER!

THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS OVER THEIR CREDIT LIMIT, AND WOULD SAVE THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS A MONTH BY LIQUIDATING THEIR MORTGAGE OBLIGATIONS!

>

>>>how does reducing consumption save
>>>money,
>>
>> Canceling one's internet service?
>
>You first.

It's coming soon!

PJR

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:20:36 PM10/18/05

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:57:20 GMT, http://www.icehouse.net/john34
<tr...@R.us> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:

I'M NOT AN AVERAGE AMERICAN, ALL-CAPS-ALEXA.

>>>>how does reducing consumption save
>>>>money,
>>>
>>> Canceling one's internet service?
>>
>>You first.
>
> It's coming soon!

I'll be sorry to see you go. Who will be the new Queen of the Kooks, I
wonder?

>>> TIME IS MONEY!
>>>
>>>> Alexa?
>>>
>>> YOU'RE WASTING YOUR VALUABLE TIME AND MONEY
>>
>>Oh no! My valuable time and money are DOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!

Note: no response, as expected from a delusional saucerhead.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:23:14 PM10/18/05

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On 18 Oct 2005 19:20:36 GMT, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote:

>I'M NOT AN AVERAGE AMERICAN

you're not an american at all

you're a rothschild mole

Daedalus

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:38:50 PM10/18/05

to

Alexa creams her plus sized sweatpants at the thought of apocalyptic
chaos...

>
>IT'S TIME TO GIVE YOUR MORTGAGE BACK TO THE ROTHSCHILDS.

No. It's time to take one more pill than you had previously and
repeat.

>
>SEND THEM THE KEYS, AND GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER!
>
>THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS OVER THEIR CREDIT LIMIT, AND WOULD SAVE THOUSANDS OF
>DOLLARS A MONTH BY LIQUIDATING THEIR MORTGAGE OBLIGATIONS!

Guess what infomercial Alexa Greenspan watched in her jammies this
mornin'

>
>
>>
>>>>how does reducing consumption save
>>>>money,
>>>
>>> Canceling one's internet service?
>>
>>You first.
>
>It's coming soon!

Well hurry it up! *plonk*

Jade

Message has been deleted

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:52:45 PM10/18/05

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:38:50 -0400, Daedalus <ja...@my-deja.com > wrote:

>Jade

Stop whining Jade. The Russians are watching, and have been all along.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 3:58:12 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:45:24 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.org>
wrote:

>ARE YOU GOING TO START GIVING OUT FINANCIAL ADVICE

Just did, dumbass!

The only people in the USA who will survive are those who have land which
they can farm, and no credit payments. Because those who are still working
will have their salaries garnished for non payment of mortgages.

the rothschilds want your body and soul, and don't want to pay for it!

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:06:54 PM10/18/05

to

Just did, dumbass!

and the rothschilds are not able to find another military to con into
protecting their interests

once the 'middle class' fails in the usa, their criminal world domination
game is finished.

the rothschilds are no match for technologically superior Russia.

Daedalus

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:01:52 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:52:45 GMT, "http://www.icehouse.net/john34"
<tr...@R.us>, wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:38:50 -0400, Daedalus <ja...@my-deja.com > wrote:
>
>>Jade
>
>Stop whining Jade.

Laughing at you is not whining, Brumhilda. And I'm not Jade. I'm John
Ashcroft. Jade is an acronym for "John Ashcroft - Deathdealer
Emeritus"

>The Russians are watching, and have been all along.

They make great dressing. They also invented a cool game you should
try.

>
>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Jade

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:11:09 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:01:52 -0400, Daedalus <ja...@my-deja.com > wrote:

you prepared to have your salary garnished by the rothschilds for
non-payment of credit?

Message has been deleted

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:42:08 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:29:18 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.org>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:11:09 GMT, "http://www.icehouse.net/john34"
><tr...@R.us> posted something accessible as
>news:vjlal1lnt59hhpabe...@4ax.com in alt.usenet.kooks,
>selections of which I respond to below:

>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:01:52 -0400, Daedalus <ja...@my-deja.com > wrote:
>>
>> you prepared to have your salary garnished by the rothschilds for
>> non-payment of credit?
>

>I suppose we might as well send our checks to Lockheed from now on, right?

you are already doing that, the IRS is Lockheed.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:44:07 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:35:07 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.org>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:58:12 GMT, "http://www.icehouse.net/john34"

><tr...@R.us> posted something accessible as

>news:qpkal1hvnmf5s5cjl...@4ax.com in alt.usenet.kooks,

>selections of which I respond to below:
>

>How do you discover these things, anyway, Alexa?

your incessant need to scape goat your ineptitude to third parties who
already know what a con man you are anyway

http://www.icehouse.net/john34

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:45:56 PM10/18/05

to

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:35:07 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.org>
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:58:12 GMT, "http://www.icehouse.net/john34"

><tr...@R.us> posted something accessible as
>news:qpkal1hvnmf5s5cjl...@4ax.com in alt.usenet.kooks,
>selections of which I respond to below:
>