Do you expect God to travel at the speed of light?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
So in what physical dimension God could travel around? Is he faster
than the speed of light?
-------------------------------------------------------
"I thought about it while riding a bike" -Einstein
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandan...@yahoo.com>:
No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
"Much* faster than light.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
LSMFT
He is everywhere at all times. He don't need to travel. I think he is
dark energy or dark matter. Maybe he is all that empty space in atoms.
More likely though he is in that empty space in spaced out people's heads.
--
If your doctor isn't taking new patients,
he ain't curing any of them.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
>
> "Much* faster than light.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> - McNameless
Einstein wouldn't find answers to these questions. I'm glad you did. ;)
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
extraterrestrials?
HVAC
>
>>
>
> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> extraterrestrials?
There are none.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
>
> > I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> > extraterrestrials?
>
> There are none.
Wait, if God made such a large Universe was to house more than humans
despite the fact that it disproves the Bible, which is after all a
book written by ignorant herdsmen.
If there's no God and no purpose, then you can believe either way.
Just don't say you saw a flying saucer.
Father Haskell
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
> such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
> wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
> Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>
> So in what physical dimension God could travel around? Is he faster
> than the speed of light?
If nothing can travel faster than the speed of light,
then so can god, because god is nothing.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Good point. We should make a record of it in proving that God is not
bound by Einstein's laws nor bound by reason.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I've come up with a formula:
E=mC2
Where is Energy, m is mass, and C2 is the square of the imagination of
the Christian.
Yes, the imagination of the Christian is faster than light.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2:26 pm, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> > > extraterrestrials?
>
> > There are none.
>
> Wait, if God made such a large Universe was to house more than humans
> despite the fact that it disproves the Bible, which is after all a
> book written by ignorant herdsmen.
>
> If there's no God and no purpose, then you can believe either way.
> Just don't say you saw a flying saucer.
I've come up with a formula:
E=mC2
Where E is Energy, m is mass, and C2 is the square of the imagination
Manan
"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
news:aibbr61etkg9mtuvb...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> <comandan...@yahoo.com>:
>
> No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
>
> "Much* faster than light.
Mr. Bob C.
You have a Mental Disorder,
by the light of the Moon,.
For Light is not Travel,
But it's seen by Human at no Speed!
for you need not evidence to confirm,
that the Light is on we you able to see it,
Nor will you need to confirm that Nothing Everlasting is here,
for truly you see the evidence!
Manan
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And from Nothing Everlasting, a woman have a Child!
And Nothing is Mr. God to you!
HVAC
>
>>
>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>> extraterrestrials?
>>
>> There are none.
>
> Wait, if God made such a large Universe was to house more than humans
> despite the fact that it disproves the Bible, which is after all a
> book written by ignorant herdsmen.
>
> If there's no God and no purpose, then you can believe either way.
> Just don't say you saw a flying saucer.
Can someone decipher this for me?
Seems my Kook-To-English translator broke when I put this in.
herbert glazier
If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
photons in macro realm TreBert
HVAC
>
>
> If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
> can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
> making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
> photons in macro realm TreBert
Why not say 3 times the speed of light? Or 10 times?
Lonnie Clay
While 2c allows you "to see" where you are going, though not where you have been, speeds exceeding that value are classed as "Hi C" due to their grape velocity. Due to market competition the great grape cola is rarely seen nowadays, hence the former poster's unfamiliarity with the possibilities of velocities graper than 2c...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Sir Gilligan Horry
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
>such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
>wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
>Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
God lost control of the Garden (Universe)
and now is fighting the weeds.
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Hiya Horry, you have any interesting Encounters lately?
The weeds don't stand a chance against God's grazing herds, munching them with delight.
When grazing is done, then there will be a lot of situational milking done...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Brad Guth
Exactly, and the twice c is probably the minimum velocity of gravity
that affects the nonzero mass of what the photon represents.
I still believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and that
means our universe currently holds at least 1e184 photons and counting
upwards at perhaps another 1e93/sec as energy interacts with matter
and/or as stars get destroyed, reborn and continue to sequence as
though it was designed/engineered to be that way.
Remember that our universe is essentially at least
99.9999999999999999% (1e-18:1) empty, so there's lots of elbow room
for those rogue photons to exist/coexist, not to mention photons
trapped or confined within stars and other matter, as well as we can’t
honestly forget about secondary, third and forth generation photons
that get created on the fly, so to speak)
Of course our resident FUD-masters and those of our devout ZNR/GOP
mafia types will not like anything you or I have to say, because it's
their faith-based job to give us and every other soul on Earth as much
of their mafia cabal grief and trauma as they can muster.
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There's no good reason(s) to push the velocity envelope of gravity
past 2c, although instantaneous gravity would certainly be worth a few
arguments.
This can be further redneck tested by measuring the response time of
others in your trailer when you fart, to see how long it takes for
them to keel over.
Lonnie Clay
So flies can breed with photons? Interesting proposition. Let's see if it will fly, or just go around in circles...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
HVAC
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
>>> can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
>>> making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
>>> photons in macro realm TreBert
>>
>> Why not say 3 times the speed of light? Or 10 times?
>>
>> --
>
> past 2c, although instantaneous gravity would certainly be worth a few
> arguments.
Listen, you fucking retard, NOTHING exceeds light speed in our universe.
Bert is a fucking moron too.
Lonnie Clay
I am quite certain that if "NOTHING" required YOUR permission to exceed light speed, then NOTHING is delighted by your silly statement...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
HVAC
>
>
> Exactly, and the twice c is probably the minimum velocity of gravity
> that affects the nonzero mass of what the photon represents.
What? Photons have mass?
Perhaps in the weird universe of Guth and Bert they do.
In the real universe, not so much.
> I still believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom,
Your opinion and/or beliefs mean nothing.
Now don't go off on one of your paranoid rants....
> Of course our resident FUD-masters and those of our devout ZNR/GOP
> mafia types will not like anything you or I have to say, because it's
> their faith-based job to give us and every other soul on Earth as much
> of their mafia cabal grief and trauma as they can muster.
Oops! Too late.
Brad Guth
I like your style of physics expertise that's conditional and needs no
objective proof whatsoever. Please feel free to apply that on behalf
of our moon and "Guth Venus".
Perhaps slow gravity is why generations of incest works to much better
for those of your dysfunctional kind.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Guth Venus, at ten times resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://docs.google.com/File?id=ddsdxhv_4fdgd46df_b
HVAC
>
>>
>> Listen, you fucking retard, NOTHING exceeds light speed in our universe.
>>
>
>
Apology accepted.
Lonnie Clay
"Apology" A P-O log (Y)?
"Accepted" A see sea 'e pee tea 'e D?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Brad Guth
> On 4/26/2011 11:27 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> >> Listen, you fucking retard, NOTHING exceeds light speed in our universe.
>
> > I like your style of physics
>
> Apology accepted.
Does that mean that I too get to use conditional physics and offer no
objective proof?
Brad Guth
> On 4/26/2011 11:01 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
>
> > Exactly, and the twice c is probably the minimum velocity of gravity
> > that affects the nonzero mass of what the photon represents.
>
> What? Photons have mass?
>
> Perhaps in the weird universe of Guth and Bert they do.
>
> In the real universe, not so much.
are each holding their breath)
>
> > I still believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom,
>
> Your opinion and/or beliefs mean nothing.
>
> Now don't go off on one of your paranoid rants....
>
> > Of course our resident FUD-masters and those of our devout ZNR/GOP
> > mafia types will not like anything you or I have to say, because it's
> > their faith-based job to give us and every other soul on Earth as much
> > of their mafia cabal grief and trauma as they can muster.
>
> Oops! Too late.
>
> --
> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Are you and other pretend faith-based FUD-masters always pleased when
using the words of dead people that can't object?
HVAC
>
>
> Does that mean that I too get to use conditional physics and offer no
> objective proof?
First why don't you tell everyone why you believe
there are moonmen running around on planet Venus.
We'll go from there.
HVAC
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Exactly, and the twice c is probably the minimum velocity of gravity
>>> that affects the nonzero mass of what the photon represents.
>>
>> What? Photons have mass?
>>
>> Perhaps in the weird universe of Guth and Bert they do.
>>
>> In the real universe, not so much.
> And your objective proof is???????? (do tell because DARPA and NASA
> are each holding their breath)
My 1st proof is that they travel at the speed of....LIGHT.
Nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light in our universe.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On 4/25/2011 5:42 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> >>> extraterrestrials?
>
> >> There are none.
>
> > Wait, if God made such a large Universe was to house more than humans
> > despite the fact that it disproves the Bible, which is after all a
> > book written by ignorant herdsmen.
>
> > If there's no God and no purpose, then you can believe either way.
> > Just don't say you saw a flying saucer.
>
> Can someone decipher this for me?
>
> Seems my Kook-To-English translator broke when I put this in.
Did you try Pig's Latin to English? Have you tried the Bible in Pig's
Latin?
1:1 In-ay e-thay eginning-bay Od-gay eated-cray e-thay eaven-hay
and-ay e-thay earth-ay.
1:2 And-ay e-thay earth-ay as-way ithout-way orm-fay, and-ay
oid-vay; and-ay arkness-day as-way upon-ay e-thay ace-fay of-ay
e-thay eep-day. And-ay e-thay Irit-spay of-ay Od-gay oved-may
upon-ay e-thay ace-fay of-ay e-thay aters-way.
1:3 And-ay Od-gay aid-say, Et-lay ere-thay e-bay ight-lay: and-ay
ere-thay as-way ight-lay.
1:4 And-ay Od-gay aw-say e-thay ight-lay, at-thay it-ay as-way
ood-gay: and-ay Od-gay ivided-day e-thay ight-lay om-fray e-thay
arkness-day.
1:5 And-ay Od-gay alled-cay e-thay ight-lay Ay-day, and-ay e-thay
arkness-day e-hay alled-cay Ight-nay. And-ay e-thay evening-ay
and-ay e-thay orning-may ere-way e-thay irst-fay ay-day.
http://www.museumofconceptualart.com/ible-bay/enesis-gay.txt
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I think God fools all the best scientists and travels in a bicycle.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
> >such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
> >wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
> >Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>
> God lost control of the Garden (Universe)
> and now is fighting the weeds.
>
Do you want to terrorize the world? Those CIA files are top secret.
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC <mr....@gmail.com>:
>On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>Philosopher wrote:
>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>> extraterrestrials?
>There are none.
I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
it's possible for it to exist.
Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
meant... ;-)
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Manan"
<anon...@not-for-mail.invalid>:
>
>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>news:aibbr61etkg9mtuvb...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>> <comandan...@yahoo.com>:
>>
>> No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
>>
>> "Much* faster than light.
>Mr. Bob C.
>You have a Mental Disorder,
Yes, it's called "rationality". I'm not surprised you're
unfamiliar with it.
>by the light of the Moon,.
>For Light is not Travel,
>But it's seen by Human at no Speed!
>for you need not evidence to confirm,
>that the Light is on we you able to see it,
>Nor will you need to confirm that Nothing Everlasting is here,
>for truly you see the evidence!
Would you like some Balsamic Vinagrette on that?
Brad Guth
There are no naked Goldilocks running loose on Venus, although could
be female like robotics or those in protective OveGlove suits and
using technology that requires energy in order to say cool and thus
keeping their bushy snatch from catching on fire. You of all people
should appreciate what HVAC really stands for.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
Guth Venus, at ten times resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://docs.google.com/File?id=ddsdxhv_4fdgd46df_b
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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Brad Guth
If you say so. Good luck with your slow gravity, all because it's
also of a nonzero mass like those velocity restricted photons. But
what if gravity (aka gravitons) has no mass?
Father Haskell
Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 6:20 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 24, 5:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
> > > such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
> > > wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
> > > Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>
> > > than the speed of light?
>
> > then so can god, because god is nothing.
>
> Good point. We should make a record of it in proving that God is not
> bound by Einstein's laws nor bound by reason.
Albert explained the photoelectric effect, special and
general relativity, gravity, was a fine fly fisherman,
played kickass fiddle, and invented a refrigerated beer
cooler -- all things which greatly improved our modern
quality of life. What he _never_ discovered was "god,"
nor particularly gave a shit about it.
Father Haskell
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:16085c60-46a7-42c5...@f18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 24, 5:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
> >> such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
> >> wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
> >> Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>
> >> So in what physical dimension God could travel around? Is he faster
> >> than the speed of light?
>
> > If nothing can travel faster than the speed of light,
> > then so can god, because god is nothing.
>
>
> And Nothing is Mr. God to you!
And good riddance to him.
Sir Gilligan Horry
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>On Apr 26, 9:20 am, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>>
>> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
>> >such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
>> >wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
>> >Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>>
>> God lost control of the Garden (Universe)
>> and now is fighting the weeds.
>>
>> http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/10/day_of_triffids_poster_02.jpg
>
>Do you want to terrorize the world? Those CIA files are top secret.
Please kindly ask Dear Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A
to tell everyone at Area51 and S4 and D1iW5 and H77fb to
hold the fort, while we re-program NATO,
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Sir Gilligan Horry
<clayl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"God lost control of the Garden (Universe) and now is fighting the weeds."
>
>Hiya Horry, you have any interesting Encounters lately?
Yes, Abductees and Agents and 'Others' in my many Best Live UFO Chat
Rooms.
>The weeds don't stand a chance against God's grazing herds, munching them with delight.
>When grazing is done, then there will be a lot of situational milking done...
Pink Banana Flavor for Mr HVAC,
Dark Choco Waffle for Hagar,
Sparkling Wizzy Lumpy for Horry.
>Lonnie Courtney Clay
Howdy Lonnie !!!
:-)
Manan
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"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:37:44 -0500, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Manan"
> <anon...@not-for-mail.invalid>:
>
>>
>>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>>news:aibbr61etkg9mtuvb...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), the following
>>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>>> <comandan...@yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>> No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
>>>
>>> "Much* faster than light.
>
>>Mr. Bob C.
>>You have a Mental Disorder,
>
> Yes, it's called "rationality". I'm not surprised you're
> unfamiliar with it.
>
All you need is ex-lax® laxatives are available in a variety of different
strengths and package sizes,
it help you run Much* faster than light!
>>by the light of the Moon,.
>>For Light is not Travel,
>>But it's seen by Human at no Speed!
>>for you need not evidence to confirm,
>>that the Light is on we you able to see it,
>>Nor will you need to confirm that Nothing Everlasting is here,
>>for truly you see the evidence!
>
> Would you like some Balsamic Vinagrette on that?
Is it a good Recipe - For Toxic river rapid evolution for fish?
Lonnie Clay
What I had in mind was a certain Arilouleeleelay known as Ooweebaybee who recently delivered a certain can and 42 flawless blue diamonds to a friend of mind. The can promises to be quite useful. Perhaps HerMan Ooweebaybee also paid a visit to you or a friend or acquaintance of yours too?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Sir Gilligan Horry
<clayl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:47:31 PM UTC-7, Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:25:18 -0700 (PDT), Lonnie Clay
>> <clayl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"God lost control of the Garden (Universe) and now is fighting the weeds."
>> >
>> >Hiya Horry, you have any interesting Encounters lately?
>>
>> Yes, Abductees and Agents and 'Others' in my many Best Live UFO Chat
>> Rooms.
>>
>>
>> >The weeds don't stand a chance against God's grazing herds, munching them with delight.
>> >When grazing is done, then there will be a lot of situational milking done...
>>
>> Pink Banana Flavor for Mr HVAC,
>> Dark Choco Waffle for Hagar,
>> Sparkling Wizzy Lumpy for Horry.
>>
>> >Lonnie Courtney Clay
>>
>> Howdy Lonnie !!!
>>
>> :-)
>What I had in mind was a certain Arilouleeleelay known as Ooweebaybee who recently delivered a certain can and 42 flawless blue diamonds to a friend of mind. The can promises to be quite useful. Perhaps HerMan Ooweebaybee also paid a visit to you or a friend or acquaintance of yours too?
>
>Lonnie Courtney Clay
I would have to consult the X7diWWn5700 Computer NeuraXat Systems
with the Heritnafreians from NGC 5713
http://physics.uwyo.edu/~lcjohnso/research/cooling/jpgs/NGC5713.jpg
_________________________
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Do Tell! So your friends all live within this universe, as opposed to other existences or in layers of the onion beyond the existences?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
HVAC
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC<mr....@gmail.com>:
>
>> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>> Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>> extraterrestrials?
>
>> There are none.
>
> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
> it's possible for it to exist.
>
> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
> meant... ;-)
No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
HVAC
>
>>
>>>> What? Photons have mass?
>>
>> Nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light in our universe.
>>
>> --
>
Ya. I just did. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of
relativity would know that. Not you though, huh? Figures.
> Good luck with your slow gravity,
Christ, you're fucking insane..
> all because it's
> also of a nonzero mass like those velocity restricted photons.
What the fuck are you babbling on about NOW?
> But what if gravity (aka gravitons) has no mass?
First, produce a graviton. Then we'll talk.
Second, who gives a shit? Why should GRAVITY have mass?
Third, take your meds.... It's quarter past crazy.
Brad Guth
> On 4/26/2011 3:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
>
> >> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> >> Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> >>> extraterrestrials?
>
> >> There are none.
>
> > I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
> > it's possible for it to exist.
>
> > Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
> > meant... ;-)
>
> No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>
> Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>
> Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>
> --
> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
And once again, your objective proof that you require of everyone else
is????????
Brad Guth
Why do we need parrots to entertain us when we got the FUD-master
likes of yourself?
Your denial and obfuscation is noted, because you read it in some
parrot-101 book makes it so.
Why is gravity so slow?
herbert glazier
Reality is Treb from are twin universe gives his brain waves(thoughts
to me) faster than c I have 3 ideas which make this possible. #1
our thoughts are using a wormhole. #2 are universes are seperated by a
membrane #3 My time laps theory. I like 3 best O ya TreBert PS
never fool with photons c Fool only with distance.
HVAC
>
>>
>>>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>>>> extraterrestrials?
>>
>>>> There are none.
>>
>>> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
>>> it's possible for it to exist.
>>
>>> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
>>> meant... ;-)
>>
>> No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>>
>> Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>>
>> Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>>
>> --
>> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
>
> And once again, your objective proof that you require of everyone else
> is????????
My objective proof to prove a negative is....Where are they?
Where are all the aliens?
Why can't we see their works?
A craft traveling at even 1/2 light speed would stand out like
a sore thumb as it interacts with interstellar gasses.
The answer is the obvious one: There are no aliens.
HVAC
>
>>
>>>>>> What? Photons have mass?
>>
>>>> Nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light in our universe.
>>
>>>> --
>>
>>> If you say so.
>>
>> Ya. I just did. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of
>> relativity would know that. Not you though, huh? Figures.
>>
>>> Good luck with your slow gravity,
>>
>> Christ, you're fucking insane..
>>
>>> all because it's
>>> also of a nonzero mass like those velocity restricted photons.
>>
>> What the fuck are you babbling on about NOW?
>>
>>> But what if gravity (aka gravitons) has no mass?
>>
>> First, produce a graviton. Then we'll talk.
>>
>> Second, who gives a shit? Why should GRAVITY have mass?
>>
>> Third, take your meds.... It's quarter past crazy.
>>
>> --
>
> likes of yourself?
>
> Your denial and obfuscation is noted, because you read it in some
> parrot-101 book makes it so.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is to prove me wrong.
Show me how a photon can have mass.
Show me a graviton.
Do SOMETHING.
Brad Guth
If gravity is zero mass, perhaps brain-waves are like gravity which
has at least 2c to work with.
Seems it's kinda hard to have any wormhole if there's not gravity
involved, so it's entirely possible that such gravity wormholes are
capable of exceeding c.
Since photons seem to be a nonzero mass is likely why gravity distorts
them, just like mirrors and optics create new secondary photons as
fast and as precise as others arrive. It seems we never get to see or
detect the original photon.
Photons seem highly intelligent, as otherwise how could so many
survive?
Some day humans will board spaceships the way passengers boarded ships
headed for places unknown on Earth.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > If there's no God and no purpose, then you can believe either way.
> > Just don't say you saw a flying saucer.
>
> .. it's his temper, you know. Probably had a fall-out with Mrs. God, it was
> she who threw the saucer at him.
> This I learnt from a book. If you need knowledge from a book, make sure it
> takes on a mysterious appearance. It should be black and have scrolled text
> on the cover, with at least one mystery type word in it's title.
But nothing compares to the wisdom of the sheep and goat herders that
wrote the Bible and told tales over the roasting goat.
Notice how they lead the Christians as a herd.
Brad Guth
Why do all ETs have to be interplanetary capable, much less fast
moving?
We humans have only the last 0.00001% of our 600 million years worth
of existing on Earth, to have gotten our probes off this planet, and
humans only into LEO or a little past the moon if you include our
having orbited that moon. That's pretty pathetic accomplishment for
our supposedly intelligent species, so why would others as ETs to us
be so much better off?
If always having survived on Venus or so mother badly clouded planet;
how would anyone even realize that Earth existed, or much less try to
leave their planet?
If you were stuck with riding on a rogue planet or one of its moons,
such as having been released from Sirius(B), there's a good chance
that having to live mostly underground would kinda put the brakes on
any sort of off-world explorations.
You do realize there are billions of rogue planets as having been
suitable, as well as trillions of other viable Goldilocks certified
planets that have a perfectly nifty sun out there, don't you?
Brad Guth
There's no law of physics that says you can't turn over the next rock,
or try anything new. Obviously you and other FUD-masters are
satisfied with the few rocks turned over thus far. But of course to
you gravity is as slow as a photon because that makes your
interpretation of everything else work.
When you continually put down others trying only to help, makes them
gun-shy because they don't like being continually shot at.
For all we know, photons never get to leave our universe, because like
a black hole there's just too much gravity holding them nonzero-mass
photons back. If photons were truly zero mass than their velocity
wouldn't be limited and black holes of antimatter or whatever wouldn't
exist.
HVAC
>
>>
>> All you have to do to prove me wrong is to prove me wrong.
>>
>> Show me how a photon can have mass.
>>
>> Show me a graviton.
>>
>> Do SOMETHING.
>
> There's no law of physics that says you can't turn over the next rock,
> or try anything new. Obviously you and other FUD-masters are
> satisfied with the few rocks turned over thus far. But of course to
> you gravity is as slow as a photon because that makes your
> interpretation of everything else work.
Ya, AND?
> When you continually put down others trying only to help, makes them
> gun-shy because they don't like being continually shot at.
Boo-Fucking-Hoo. This is the arena of thought.
If they (you) don't want to THINK, go the fuck away.
HVAC
>
>>
>> The answer is the obvious one: There are no aliens.
>
> Why do all ETs have to be interplanetary capable, much less fast
> moving?
>
> We humans have only the last 0.00001% of our 600 million years worth
> of existing on Earth, to have gotten our probes off this planet, and
> humans only into LEO or a little past the moon if you include our
> having orbited that moon. That's pretty pathetic accomplishment for
> our supposedly intelligent species, so why would others as ETs to us
> be so much better off?
OK. So we can treat aliens exactly as we treat gods.
As if they don't exist at all.
I'm good with that.
Brad Guth
The mainstream status-quo or bust policy of revising nothing and never
changing or introducing anything is hardly a viable process of
deductive thought. Parrots don't seem to think, invent or discover
all that much, but if that brown-nosed parrot style of living suits
your always closed mindset, then by all means so be it.
At least you always got Hitler and GW Bush on your side.
Sir Gilligan Horry
>On 4/26/2011 3:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC<mr....@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>>> Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>>> extraterrestrials?
>>
>>> There are none.
>>
>> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
>> it's possible for it to exist.
>>
>> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
>> meant... ;-)
>
>
>No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>
>Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>
>Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
Bob Casanova and Mr HVAC,
just like the old days aye Sir Artie !
I love it, lets share some Twinkies !
Sir Gilligan Horry
All I know is I watched a lot of Sci/Fi from age 5 till now 45,
and it's now 2:10am right now.
So, until tomorrow...
"It's good night from me,
and good night from him"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZpHphhgpo
_________________________________________
HVAC
>
>>
>> Boo-Fucking-Hoo. This is the arena of thought.
>> If they (you) don't want to THINK, go the fuck away.
>>
>> --
> changing or introducing anything is hardly a viable process of
> deductive thought. Parrots don't seem to think, invent or discover
> all that much, but if that brown-nosed parrot style of living suits
> your always closed mindset, then by all means so be it.
>
> At least you always got Hitler and GW Bush on your side.
Awwwwk! Hilet and Bush Awwwwk !
Brad Guth
> On 4/27/2011 9:51 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Boo-Fucking-Hoo. This is the arena of thought.
> >> If they (you) don't want to THINK, go the fuck away.
>
> >> --
> > The mainstream status-quo or bust policy of revising nothing and never
> > changing or introducing anything is hardly a viable process of
> > deductive thought. Parrots don't seem to think, invent or discover
> > all that much, but if that brown-nosed parrot style of living suits
> > your always closed mindset, then by all means so be it.
>
> > At least you always got Hitler and GW Bush on your side.
>
> Awwwwk! Hilet and Bush Awwwwk !
Warlords and other pretenders need their army of borgs plus as many
rogue brown-nosed parrots and minions as rogue agents as they can
muster, in order to get away with bogus wars, stealing, murder (aka
ethnic and social/political cleansing) and global inflation.
Without the likes of devout redneck patriots and minions that can't
deductively think for themselves, the likes of Hitler couldn't have
accomplished 10% of what he's given credit for. So you go right ahead
and give yourself credit for 90% of the collateral damage and carnage
of WW2, as well as everything since.
You do realize that Russia and the USofA is directly responsible for
having created North Korea. Your mother should be real proud of her
ZNR/GOP approved son, even though she probably still has no idea who
your father really was (could have been Hitler for all she knows).
HVAC
>
>>
>> Awwwwk! Hiler and Bush Awwwwk !
>
> Warlords and other pretenders need their army of borgs plus as many
> rogue brown-nosed parrots and minions as rogue agents as they can
> muster, in order to get away with bogus wars, stealing, murder (aka
> ethnic and social/political cleansing) and global inflation.
A very well thought out paragraph there, guthtard.
The new meds are working out just fine for you...
herbert glazier
> On 4/26/2011 7:59 AM, herbert glazier wrote:
>
>
>
> > If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
> > can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
> > making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
> > photons in macro realm TreBert
>
> Why not say 3 times the speed of light? Or 10 times?
>
> --
> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Reason is gravitons have spin 2 as their quantum spin. Photons spin at
spin 1 Get the picture It fits well with my "Spin is in Theory"
O ya TreBert
herbert glazier
> On Apr 26, 4:59 am, herbert glazier <herbertglazi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 5:56 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > That would be painfully slow for him to control the Universe. He made
> > > such grandiose space just that he could house us, so he was more
> > > wasteful than any project undertaken by Man including the pyramids...
> > > Unless he populated other planets all over the Universe.
>
> > > So in what physical dimension God could travel around? Is he faster
> > > than the speed of light?
>
>
> > > "I thought about it while riding a bike" -Einstein
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
> > can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
> > making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
> > photons in macro realm TreBert
>
> that affects the nonzero mass of what the photon represents.
>
> I still believe there's at least 1e100 photons per atom, and that
> means our universe currently holds at least 1e184 photons and counting
> upwards at perhaps another 1e93/sec as energy interacts with matter
> and/or as stars get destroyed, reborn and continue to sequence as
> though it was designed/engineered to be that way.
>
> Remember that our universe is essentially at least
> 99.9999999999999999% (1e-18:1) empty, so there's lots of elbow room
> for those rogue photons to exist/coexist, not to mention photons
> trapped or confined within stars and other matter, as well as we can’t
> honestly forget about secondary, third and forth generation photons
> that get created on the fly, so to speak)
>
> Of course our resident FUD-masters and those of our devout ZNR/GOP
> mafia types will not like anything you or I have to say, because it's
> their faith-based job to give us and every other soul on Earth as much
> of their mafia cabal grief and trauma as they can muster.
Good thinking My convex curve of space gives the reason for space
inflating. Thus every thing immersed in space gets more and more elbow
room,at an accelerating rate. Convex space curve gives reality to the
death of universes.(cold) TreBert
Brad Guth
> On 4/27/2011 2:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Awwwwk! Hiler and Bush Awwwwk !
>
> > Warlords and other pretenders need their army of borgs plus as many
> > rogue brown-nosed parrots and minions as rogue agents as they can
> > muster, in order to get away with bogus wars, stealing, murder (aka
> > ethnic and social/political cleansing) and global inflation.
>
> A very well thought out paragraph there, guthtard.
>
> The new meds are working out just fine for you...
I thought you'd like that one, especially since you and others of your
kind seem to be an integral part of the problem, such as when you
don't respect or pay for services rendered.
The last time I knowingly insulted, provoked or took advantage of a
Muslim was NEVER. (bet you and most other Semites can't say the same)
This is not to say that I agree with the Muslim faith-based practices
or that I'd go along with their authority while outside of their own
nations or private religious groups.
Brad Guth
I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
more than photons get to leave a black hole.
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by "Manan"
<anon...@not-for-mail.invalid>:
>
>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>news:0q7er6pam2kvrq4k7...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:37:44 -0500, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by "Manan"
>> <anon...@not-for-mail.invalid>:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message
>>>news:aibbr61etkg9mtuvb...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), the following
>>>> appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "His Highness the
>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>>>> <comandan...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>> No, He travels at the speed of lunacy.
>>>>
>>>> "Much* faster than light.
>>
>>>Mr. Bob C.
>>>You have a Mental Disorder,
>>
>> Yes, it's called "rationality". I'm not surprised you're
>> unfamiliar with it.
>That not a Mental Disorder
For you it is.
<snip more word salad>
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC <mr....@gmail.com>:
>On 4/26/2011 3:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
>> in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC<mr....@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>>> Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>>> extraterrestrials?
>>
>>> There are none.
>>
>> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
>> it's possible for it to exist.
>>
>> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
>> meant... ;-)
>
>
>No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>
>Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>
>Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
Maybe not, but the question would be what would stop the
same progression that happened here from happening anywhere
microbes exist. Yeah, it took a while, but there's no
evidence that it was other than a straight progression.
Eventually we may have evidence either way, but for now it's
strictly personal opinion.
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by Sir Gilligan Horry
<G...@ga7rm5er.com>:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:20:43 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/26/2011 3:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC<mr....@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>>>> Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
>>>>> extraterrestrials?
>>>
>>>> There are none.
>>>
>>> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
>>> it's possible for it to exist.
>>>
>>> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
>>> meant... ;-)
>>
>>
>>No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>>
>>Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>>
>>Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>
>
>Bob Casanova and Mr HVAC,
>just like the old days aye Sir Artie !
>I love it, lets share some Twinkies !
You see a problem with exchanging opinions, neither of which
is supported by evidence and neither of which is claimed to
be fact? Why?
Brad Guth
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:08:00 +1200, the following appeared
> in sci.skeptic, posted by Sir Gilligan Horry
> <G...@ga7rm5er.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:20:43 -0400, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On 4/26/2011 3:37 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:26:13 -0400, the following appeared
>
> >>>> On 4/25/2011 1:59 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
> >>>> Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>> I see some gaps in that theory, such as where are the
> >>>>> extraterrestrials?
>
> >>>> There are none.
>
> >>> I suspect there are many; IMHO life starts almost everywhere
> >>> it's possible for it to exist.
>
> >>> Of course, there are none *here*, which may be what you
> >>> meant... ;-)
>
> >>No. I meant no intelligent life anywhere else in our galaxy.
>
> >>Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>
> >>Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>
> >Bob Casanova and Mr HVAC,
> >just like the old days aye Sir Artie !
> >I love it, lets share some Twinkies !
>
> You see a problem with exchanging opinions, neither of which
> is supported by evidence and neither of which is claimed to
> be fact? Why?
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> - McNameless
It would only take a very common cosmic event to destroy most all
complex forms of life on Earth.
How long would it take from scratch (meaning from no surviving human
DNA) for the random happenstance of available microbes and spores to
get us back to where we are?
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by herbert glazier
<herbert...@gmail.com>:
>On Apr 26, 8:04 am, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/26/2011 7:59 AM, herbert glazier wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
>> > can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
>> > making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
>> > photons in macro realm TreBert
>>
>> Why not say 3 times the speed of light? Or 10 times?
>>
>> --
>> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
>
>Reason is gravitons have spin 2 as their quantum spin.
Note that the standard knowledge (viz Pauli and Fierz) is
that *if* gravitons exist they must be spin 2. And you *do*
realize, of course, that there are significant theoretical
problems at high energies with the idea of gravitons as the
mediators of gravity, right? So...
Cite to the research which detected gravitons, please.
Oh, and you realize that even if gravitons exist and are the
mediators of gravity, the fact that they're massless means
that they would travel at exactly C, right?
HVAC
>
>>
>> Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>>
>> Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>
> Maybe not, but the question would be what would stop the
> same progression that happened here from happening anywhere
> microbes exist. Yeah, it took a while, but there's no
> evidence that it was other than a straight progression.
Because the Earth, rather than being a common planet
with a common star, truly has hit the cosmic lottery.
Just a few 'lucky' facts-
1- Our location in the galaxy
2- The metal rich gas cloud that formed our star
3- The large moon that keeps Earth's wobble small
4- The presence of a large planet to act a a 'vacuum'
There are many other lucky examples which I won't get into
until I have more coffee.
HVAC
>
>>
>>
>>> If Gods and Gravitrons can go at twice c that could explain why we
>>> can't detect them. Twice c might be a Planck speed. In micro realm,and
>>> making the distance shorter is better than fooling with the speeds of
>>> photons in macro realm TreBert
>>
>> Why not say 3 times the speed of light? Or 10 times?
>>
>> --
>>
>
> spin 1 Get the picture
No. I don't get the picture, Bert.
Please explain in detail. Please show all the math.
Thanks,
Your buddy (and all-around good guy) Harlow.
HVAC
>
>
> I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
> more than photons get to leave a black hole.
That's a first..You are correct!
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com>:
>It would only take a very common cosmic event to destroy most all
>complex forms of life on Earth.
OK. For undefined (and for now, undefinable) values of "very
common", of course.
>How long would it take from scratch (meaning from no surviving human
>DNA) for the random happenstance of available microbes and spores to
>get us back to where we are?
How long did it take on the first round? And you might note
that the question was *not* about humans, but about
multicellular life.
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC <mr....@gmail.com>:
>On 4/27/2011 8:22 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>>>
>>> Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>>
>> Maybe not, but the question would be what would stop the
>> same progression that happened here from happening anywhere
>> microbes exist. Yeah, it took a while, but there's no
>> evidence that it was other than a straight progression.
>
>
>Because the Earth, rather than being a common planet
>with a common star, truly has hit the cosmic lottery.
>
>Just a few 'lucky' facts-
>
>1- Our location in the galaxy
>
>2- The metal rich gas cloud that formed our star
>
>3- The large moon that keeps Earth's wobble small
>
>4- The presence of a large planet to act a a 'vacuum'
>
>There are many other lucky examples which I won't get into
>until I have more coffee.
But all of these are assumptions (as both luckiness and
uniqueness), some of which are even now being challenged.
Far from being uncommon, small rocky planets seem to be
fairly common and large gas giants are *very* common. There
are quite a few stars in the same general location (distance
from the center) as Sol. And metal-rich gas clouds are the
result of the supernovae which destroyed the large
Population I (or Pop II; I can never keep that temporal
sequence straight) original stars.
I confess the significance of 3) escapes me...
HVAC
>
>
>> It would only take a very common cosmic event to destroy most all
>> complex forms of life on Earth.
>
> OK. For undefined (and for now, undefinable) values of "very
> common", of course.
Since the last time that happened was approx. 4 billion years ago
when a Mars sized planet smashed into the Earth in the event that
created the moon, I would say that it's not a 'very common' event.
But that's just me.
HVAC
>
>>
>> Just a few 'lucky' facts-
>>
>> 1- Our location in the galaxy
>>
>> 2- The metal rich gas cloud that formed our star
>>
>> 3- The large moon that keeps Earth's wobble small
>>
>> 4- The presence of a large planet to act a a 'vacuum'
>>
>> There are many other lucky examples which I won't get into
>> until I have more coffee.
>
> But all of these are assumptions (as both luckiness and
> uniqueness), some of which are even now being challenged.
> Far from being uncommon, small rocky planets seem to be
> fairly common and large gas giants are *very* common. There
> are quite a few stars in the same general location (distance
> from the center) as Sol. And metal-rich gas clouds are the
> result of the supernovae which destroyed the large
> Population I (or Pop II; I can never keep that temporal
> sequence straight) original stars.
>
> I confess the significance of 3) escapes me...
#3 may be the most important of all.
Colanth
>On 4/27/2011 8:22 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Microbial life? Probably almost everywhere we look.
>>>
>>> Complex life? Animals? Not so much.
>>
>> Maybe not, but the question would be what would stop the
>> same progression that happened here from happening anywhere
>> microbes exist. Yeah, it took a while, but there's no
>> evidence that it was other than a straight progression.
>
>
>Because the Earth, rather than being a common planet
>with a common star, truly has hit the cosmic lottery.
>
>Just a few 'lucky' facts-
>
>1- Our location in the galaxy
>
>2- The metal rich gas cloud that formed our star
>
>3- The large moon that keeps Earth's wobble small
>
>4- The presence of a large planet to act a a 'vacuum'
>
>There are many other lucky examples which I won't get into
>until I have more coffee.
The fact that it seems as though in almost every case but ours, the
planets in the "Goldilocks zone" are gas giants.
--
3 out of 4 Americans make up 75% of the population.
Brad Guth
Our location in the galaxy is nearly irrelevant, because the galaxy is
essentially 99.9999999999% empty space.
Venus doesn't wobble one damn bit.
Our third generation star isn't all that special (Sirius could offer
more metals, especially Sirius B)
Red giants as representing the vast majority of stars would be a whole
lot better, especially for hosting gas giant planets with Earth sized
moons.
Lots of other solar systems have planets considerably more massive
than Jupiter.
“When Scientists Sin” by David Goodstein
Here’s yet another Jew that I can agree with, except he didn’t quite
go far enough to describe how scientists lie or sin as he puts it,
such as by way of selective omission and obfuscation and otherwise by
simply banishing and/or excluding those which constructively
contribute to the general investigative context of whatever topic,
even if it’s by way of asking or imposing certain questions that
others either didn’t bother to ask or wouldn’t dare ask.
Apparently you can be a certified public-funded scientist and FUD-
master at the same time, as long as that ruse keeps your public-funded
position and authority going strong regardless of what others have to
say. For example the Caltech expertise of interpreting satellite
radar obtained images gets the official Caltech green light of
approval even if extremely important stuff is intentionally banished
or excluded so as to make their data seem complete and not misleading,
when in fact it’s entirely incomplete and misleading as hell.
In mainstream public-funded science, when asked to turn over a couple
of hot or cold rocks in order to interpret what a given planet like
Venus has to offer is all that’s ever required, as to do exactly
whatever you were told to look for and absolutely nothing else. God
forbid that you should turn over a few other rocks just in case
there’s something else that’s interesting and/or of dot-connecting
value.
Brad Guth
> On 4/27/2011 6:22 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
> > more than photons get to leave a black hole.
>
> That's a first..You are correct!
Glad you're onboard with that.
Any universe of 1e84 atoms worth of molecular stuff and perhaps
offering 1e184 photos can't as a whole be all that much unlike a black
hole, at least from the outside looking in.
Colanth
>On 4/27/2011 6:22 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
>> more than photons get to leave a black hole.
>That's a first..You are correct!
He's correct - that he's not convinced. Hawking might also be
convinced - that Guth is convinced of something that's not true.
--
Cthulhu saves our souls and redeems them for valuable coupons later.
Brad Guth
That's actually pretty good FUD.
Tell us why photons can exit our Universe, because wouldn't that
suggest a loss of energy?
What happens to a black hole when photons start escaping (preceded by
a loss of positrons) ?
Apostate
>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:11:53 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/27/2011 6:22 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
>>> more than photons get to leave a black hole.
>
>>That's a first..You are correct!
>
>He's correct - that he's not convinced. Hawking might also be
>convinced - that Guth is convinced of something that's not true.
What would it mean for a photon to leave our universe?
That it ceased to exist?
That it hopped the elevated to another universe?
That it just hangs out between universes?
Do photons go to Light Heaven?
<note to self to ask Kryton what he knows about this>
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HVAC
>
>>
>> Because the Earth, rather than being a common planet
>> with a common star, truly has hit the cosmic lottery.
>>
>> Just a few 'lucky' facts-
>>
>> 1- Our location in the galaxy
>>
>> 2- The metal rich gas cloud that formed our star
>>
>> 3- The large moon that keeps Earth's wobble small
>>
>> 4- The presence of a large planet to act a a 'vacuum'
>>
>> There are many other lucky examples which I won't get into
>> until I have more coffee.
>
> The fact that it seems as though in almost every case but ours, the
> planets in the "Goldilocks zone" are gas giants.
Most likely that is just our inability to 'see' such planets...Yet.
It's all speculation. In the face of a lack of positive evidence,
I prefer to remain skeptical. Read a book called 'Rare Earth'. It's
very illuminating regarding the EXTREMELY lucky position the Earth
finds itself in.
I also feel that as any species evolves to the point where they
can manipulate the environment to their advantage, they will
soon overpopulate and therefore destroy themselves. This may be
another reason that there are no aliens.
HVAC
>
>
> Our location in the galaxy is nearly irrelevant, because the galaxy is
> essentially 99.9999999999% empty space.
Guth...Please ask for permission if you wish to speak.
We're having a rational discussion here, so you can't
participate. Sorry.
Have a nice day! :-)
HVAC
All hail Cuthulu!
Brad Guth
> On 4/28/2011 2:40 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
>
> > Our location in the galaxy is nearly irrelevant, because the galaxy is
> > essentially 99.9999999999% empty space.
>
> Guth...Please ask for permission if you wish to speak.
> We're having a rational discussion here, so you can't
> participate. Sorry.
>
> Have a nice day! :-)
What! you FUD-masters want more or less 9s?
Colanth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 11:56 am, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:11:53 -0400, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 4/27/2011 6:22 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm not convinced that photons ever get to leave our universe, any
>> >> more than photons get to leave a black hole.
>> >That's a first..You are correct!
>>
>> He's correct - that he's not convinced. Hawking might also be
>> convinced - that Guth is convinced of something that's not true.
>> --
>> Cthulhu saves our souls and redeems them for valuable coupons later.
>
>That's actually pretty good FUD.
>
>Tell us why photons can exit our Universe, because wouldn't that
>suggest a loss of energy?
>
>What happens to a black hole when photons start escaping (preceded by
>a loss of positrons) ?
Look up "Hawking radiation" for an explanation of both of your
questions. Where you want to read about it depends on how deeply you
want to go into the subject.
--
Conventionality is not morality.
HVAC
>
>>
>> What happens to a black hole when photons start escaping (preceded by
>> a loss of positrons) ?
>
> Look up "Hawking radiation" for an explanation of both of your
> questions. Where you want to read about it depends on how deeply you
> want to go into the subject.
Guthtard favors ranting over research.
Lonnie Clay
With all this leaving being discussed, perhaps one or the other of you is about to put out blossoms and spring UP like a jack in the box? Does that jack UP your emotions? If so then perhaps you should take a few deep breaths and calm down before you respond to this post! Perhaps you might even reread this post a few times just to be sure of what I have just said here?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC <mr....@gmail.com>:
>On 4/28/2011 1:16 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
Could be, but since I still don't see the significance I
have no way to judge.
Sure you're not misremembering the hypothesis that a large
moon stripped off so much of the early atmosphere that Earth
avoided the problem seen on Venus? No "wobble" there
(whatever that means), but a reasonable conjecture.
HVAC
>
>>
>> #3 may be the most important of all.
>
> Could be, but since I still don't see the significance I
> have no way to judge.
The proximity of our large moon keeps the earth's wobble
to a 23 degree max, which keeps the Earth from alternately
freezing and baking. This excludes global periods of glaciation
and warming. It also is thought to be conducive to life formation
and evolution due to tidal actions.
> Sure you're not misremembering the hypothesis that a large
> moon stripped off so much of the early atmosphere that Earth
> avoided the problem seen on Venus? No "wobble" there
> (whatever that means), but a reasonable conjecture.
Venus wants to be gravitationally locked to the sun.
It has an retrograde rotation which is caused when it
passes near the Earth which 'kicks' it.
I've never heard the theory that a large moon stripped
off the atmosphere of the early Earth. I *do* subscribe
to the idea that a Mars-sized planet crashed into the
Earth approx. 4 billion years ago, thereby creating our
moon.
Brad Guth
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:07:51 -0400, the following appeared
Just a third of the secondary debris from that one horrific south pole
crater of 2500 km and perhaps 15+ km deep should have terminated most
life on Earth for many decades if not centuries, although some of us
might argue that we got hit with upwards of 2/3 worth of all that
mostly paramagnetic basalt, and much of it worth 4+ g/cm3.
That south pole crater in its volumetric entirety represents roughly
5e13 m3 of moon plus whatever of the horrific impactor which by rights
could double that amount to a total of 1e14 m3 of mostly common and
paramagnetic basalts that obviously had to go somewhere.
Bob Casanova
in sci.skeptic, posted by HVAC <mr....@gmail.com>:
>On 4/29/2011 2:51 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> #3 may be the most important of all.
>>
>> Could be, but since I still don't see the significance I
>> have no way to judge.
>
>
>The proximity of our large moon keeps the earth's wobble
>to a 23 degree max, which keeps the Earth from alternately
>freezing and baking. This excludes global periods of glaciation
>and warming. It also is thought to be conducive to life formation
>and evolution due to tidal actions.
OK. Do you have a cite for this, or is it something you
conceived?
>> Sure you're not misremembering the hypothesis that a large
>> moon stripped off so much of the early atmosphere that Earth
>> avoided the problem seen on Venus? No "wobble" there
>> (whatever that means), but a reasonable conjecture.
>
>
>Venus wants to be gravitationally locked to the sun.
All satellites tend toward gravitational (tidal) lock with
their primaries.
>It has an retrograde rotation which is caused when it
>passes near the Earth which 'kicks' it.
Again, a cite for this? The attraction between Earth and
Venus would seem to me to be too small for any significant
mutual tidal effect.
>I've never heard the theory that a large moon stripped
>off the atmosphere of the early Earth.
I recall reading about it (conjecture or preliminary
hypothesis, *not* theory) around 30-35 years ago; could have
been a SciAm article or an Asimov essay. Either way, I can't
cite a source; sorry.
> I *do* subscribe
>to the idea that a Mars-sized planet crashed into the
>Earth approx. 4 billion years ago, thereby creating our
>moon.
That (the collision) seems to be fairly widely accepted
based on several lines of data; 4.45Gya seems the consensus.
But whether the moon formed as a result seems less
well-accepted than the collision, stripping of the
atmosphere and subsequent remelting, homogenization and
redifferentiation of the Earth's structure.
Anyway, thanks for prodding me to do a bit of digging... ;-)