Government Alien Announcement
Dave Alexander
THE COMING "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE ON EARTH
Polls reveal that over 90 percent of the American people believe
in UFOs and 95 percent of these people believe the government is
keeping this knowledge from the public. But why? Are they afraid
the people will panic if an "official" announcement were made?
Hardly. Such an announcement would create interest, excitement and
many questions, but not panic. Why then the continued cover-up?
Overwhelming evidence has surfaced in the past several years from
"whistle-blowers" and retired military officers who have finally
said, "Enough is enough! It's time the government told the people
the truth!"
These officers, such as former Navy intelligence officer William
Cooper, Major John Lear (whose father founded the Lear Jet Corp.)
and Air Force officer William English, to name but a few, have all
discovered the truth, and at the risk of their lives, are trying
to alert everyone to the secrets behind the UFOs and the Alien
Presence on earth. These people worked on secret projects, had
access to classified documents, have seen with their own eyes
"captured" aliens and UFOs and the incredible technology they
brought with them.
Sightings of UFOs have been reported throughout history, and
Biblical and historic references to "flaming chariots," huge
flying "birds" and odd looking beings predate our history by
thousands of years. In the 1940's several alien spacecraft were
recovered by the U.S. and other countries, along with a few dead
aliens and one live one they named EBE (a name suggested by Dr.
Vannover Bush, short for Extraterrestrial Biological Entity).
In 1953, astronomers discovered large objects in space which were
moving toward Earth. At first they believed these were asteroids,
but later evidence proved the objects could only be spaceships.
Project Sigma and Project Plato intercepted alien radio
communication and was able to arrange a landing that resulted in
face-to-face contact with alien beings from another planet.
Meanwhile, a race of human-looking aliens contacted the U.S.
Government, warning us that the aliens orbiting the equator were
hostile beings from Orion. These human-type aliens demanded that
we dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons, that we were on a
path of self-destruction and we must stop killing each other, stop
polluting the earth, stop raping the earth's natural resources and
learn to live in harmony.
In 1954, the race of aliens known as the Greys, from Zeta
Reticuli, who had been orbiting the equator, landed at Holloman
Air Force Base. They stated that their planet was dying and they
needed quarters on earth to conduct genetic experiments that might
allow their race to survive. For this, they pledged to give us
certain alien technologies. President Eisenhower met with the
aliens and a formal treaty was signed. The treaty stated the
aliens would not interfere in our affairs and we would not
interfere in theirs. We would keep their presence on earth secret
and they would furnish us with advanced technology. They could
abduct humans on a limited basis for the purpose of medical
examinations aboard their craft and monitoring, with the
stipulation that the humans would not be harmed, would be returned
to their point of abduction, that they would have no memory of the
event. It was also agreed that alien bases would be constructed
underground, beneath Indian reservations in the Four Corners area
of Utah, New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado. Another was to be
constructed in Nevada in the area known as S-4, about 7 miles
south of Area 51, known as Dreamland. A multi-billion dollar
secret fund was organized and kept by the Military Office of the
White House, supposedly to build secret underground sites for the
President and staff in case of military attacks.
By secret Executive Memorandum, NSC 5410, Eisenhower established a
permanent committee known as "Majority Twelve" (MJ-12) to oversee
and conduct all covert actions with the aliens. This included FBI
director J. Edgar Hoover and six leaders of the Council on Foreign
Relations, known as the Wise Men, and later others from the
Trilateral Commission.
A major finding of the commission was the aliens were using humans
and animals for a source of glandular secretions, enzymes, hormone
secretions, blood and in horrible genetic experiments. The aliens
explained these actions as necessary for their survival, that if
their genetic structure were not improved, their race would cease
to exist.
The ruling powers decided that one means of funding the alien
project was to corner the illegal drug market. A young ambitious
member of the Council on Foreign Relations was approached. His
name is George Bush. At the time, he was president and CEO of
Zapata Oil Co. based in Texas. Zapata Oil was experimenting with
offshore oil drilling and it was arranged that the drugs could be
shipped from South America to the offshore platforms by fishing
boats, then transferred to the U.S. shore by normal
transportation, thus avoiding searches by customs agents. The plan
worked better than anyone expected, and today the CIA controls all
the world's illegal drug markets. The drug money was used to
finance the deep underground alien bases.
The Bilderbergers, the Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commission are the Secret Government and rule this
nation through MJ-12 and the study group known as the Jason
Society.
Throughout history, the aliens have manipulated and/or ruled the
human race through various secret societies, religion and the
occult. The CFR and the Trilateral Commission are in complete
control of the alien technology ant the nation's economy.
Eisenhower was the last president to know the entire overview of
the alien problem. Succeeding presidents were told only what MJ-12
wanted them to know, and it was not the truth. MJ-12 presented
each new president with a picture of a lost alien culture seeking
to renew itself, build a home on this planet and shower us with
gifts of technology. Each president has bought the story hook,
line and sinker.
Meanwhile, innocent people continue to suffer unspeakable horrors
at the hands of alien and human scientists who are engaged in
barbarous research that would make the Nazis pale in comparison.
As if that is not enough, many people end up as food for the
insatiable alien appetite for biological enzymes, hormonal
secretions and blood. At least one in every 40 Americans have been
implanted with alien devices that are used to control them if
necessity calls.
By 1989, over three million Greys were occupying these deep multi-
level underground complexes. They have welched on their agreement
on abducting humans; today many millions of citizens have been
abducted and implanted, a literal army awaiting orders to march!
For this reason, other nations were informed. Within five months
the Communist monolith Russia was dismantled to unite with the
U.S. and its technology to fight the invasion. The Hubbell Space
Telescope was created to keep a watchful eye on the invasion
fleet; Star Wars technology has been developed to stop the aliens
in outer space before they can get to the earth.
Today, the government deals with an extreme dilemma. Too many
sources are releasing alien information. The public will get angry
at continued secrecy. MJ-12 plans soon to make an "official"
announcement, under controlled conditions. Network TV will be
called to meet the staged 'landing' of the aliens, these being the
Greys. They will come bearing gifts, technology that supposedly
will heal cancer and AIDS, retard aging, etc. They will tell us
they are the "saviors" of humanity who have come to defend the
earth against an invasion of man eating aliens called Reptoids.
This story is a lie. The Grays already work for the Reptoids.
Their plan is to unify the world into a One-World Government, a
'New World Order' with the argument that only this can defeat the
invasion by Reptoids. This is a trap to enslave the world's
population. Control will be accomplished through a universal
currency controlled by certain international bankers, who for
years have been lackeys of the aliens, who seized upon their greed
and lust for wealth and power as a means to bring about their evil
plan to control the earth. This also is the scenario predicted in
the Bible's Book of Revelation where only those who accept the
Mark of the Beast (the aliens being the 'Beast' and the 'Mark'
being a microchip implant they will use, which will allow people
to buy and sell goods). Those who do not accept this must live
outside the money system and survive somehow on their own.
So be aware. Only your knowledge of this fake invasion can prevent
it from happening. Demand the truth from your government. Tell
them you know about the alien situation, that you know there are
good aliens and bad aliens and that MJ-12 is promoting the bad
aliens and the One World Government they hope to control. Insist
on the truth.
--
al...@spiral.org
Dave Alexander
Society for the Protection of
Individual Rights and Liberties
Minneapolis Chapter
Mike Pritchard
>From: al...@spiral.org (Dave Alexander)
>Subject: Government Alien Announcement
>Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1993 13:33:29 -0600
>
>THE COMING "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE ON EARTH
>
>Polls reveal that over 90 percent of the American people believe
>in UFOs and 95 percent of these people believe the government is
>keeping this knowledge from the public. But why? Are they afraid
>the people will panic if an "official" announcement were made?
>Hardly. Such an announcement would create interest, excitement and
>many questions, but not panic. Why then the continued cover-up?
>
With big claims such as these, naturally you do have evidence to back them,
right? How about you post some of this evidence?
In any case, it makes good reading, although anyone can write stuff like
this. If you are so sure of these claims, I'd be interested in seeing some
sort of proof.
Mike Pritchard Phone: (217) 333-0850
Operations Supervisor FAX: (217) 333-7151
WILL AM/FM Radio Internet: m-pri...@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois
David Lillard
Dave Alexander
wrote:
> I think someone's seen too many episodes of "V".
I think "V" was a leak.
Jose L. Mancera
Alexander) wrote:
reply: ============> Too often innocent people are lured into believing
unsubstantiated events with "it is believed that ..", "they said ...",
"government reports found out that ...".
It would be the biggest discovery of mankind to find other "life" in the
universe. Doesn't it seem unnatural that if astronomers found out
something important about "aliens" that they wouldn't document this so all
their colegues would scrutinize this? As stated below, "astronomers found
space aliens coming to Earth...". It is a fact of human nature to let
others know of great discoveries, not to hide them. Doesn't mankink want
to be immortalized when they make such discoveries?
Anyway, its effortless to give credence and to try to make individuals that
write this kink of stuff to understand that it is hearsay, no evidence.
I'm going to go have fun and scan the dance net and the soc.cul.mexican net
and .... !!!! Have fun ya'all
P.S. The space shuttle with the Hubble repairs activities are going great.
You should see the live ongoing pictures that's on NASA Select TV.
- Jose Luis <=============================end_reply 10pm.
JERRY PUCHYR
Hahah. It was very interesting article. But somehow missed all the facts
and evidence to all claims. If this wasn't e alt.aliens I would think it
was a great science fiction.
I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were swapping
the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove of alien technology in 50 years?
I don't buy things like aliens helped us to develop jet technology. As far as I know, the US Air Force had an program which was suppose to simulate a flying suacer. Well, after couple test pilots were killed the project was cancelled.
So how come this project was not successful, if the American government made
contact with Aliens from other planets???? And by the way this program was
created during Eisenhower's years as president of USA.
If US. government had so called Alien technology, then we would be far more advanced. Don't you think???
Looking for all your replies.
Ciau,
Jerry Puchyr York University Toronto Ontario Canada
cs92...@ariel.cs.yorku.ca
Email: feel free,,, :)
Dave Alexander
(JERRY PUCHYR) wrote:
>
> I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier
> and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were
> swapping the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove of
> alien technology in 50 years?
>
What makes you think they would tell *us* anything about what they had
learned? It is the military/industrial complex that got the technology.
They do not routinely broadcast their knowledge to the masses.
laura.k.watson
>>
>> I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier
>> and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were
>> swapping the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove of
>> alien technology in 50 years?
C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators. We supposedly got
them as an outgrowth of chips which supposedly had to be invented
(necessity is the mother of invention, right) for the Appollo mission
or some such. And what about microwave ovens. And sattelite dishes,
computers, and even televsion. Most of this stuff of aliens landing
on earth and forming the alleged MJ-12 and all of that happened before
I was even BORN, and even *I* can figure out that we didn't have all
our modern technology back BEFORE this alleged alien landing. Sheesh.
--
Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
Trying to free myself from anxiety-causing positive ion buildup.
JERRY PUCHYR
Aha, so if it is military/industrial complex that has the technology, where
is the actual alien technology used? With 50 years of so called Alien Swapping
we should at least see it in use somewhere. Or at least within the 5 decades any decent information would leak out. Just like the secrets about Stealth fighters leaked out.
I still don't buy these technological swaps. If there was any military use of this alien technology it would be in use for a long time, don't you think?
And if it was, then it would be a bit known.
And don't forget there are hundreds of Magazines which are based on military inventions and new equipment. Do you think they are government controlled? I don't think so.
Just like the stealth techology
which is pretty old. Or do you think a martian handed it to Americans???
Nah.
And that information about Sw-12 or whatever it's called terminating masses of people because they knew too much, I heard that somewhere too, and I think there were 2 such famous people. Hitler and Stalin.
Until I see a solid prove of this document, or a strong evidence that such things exist I won't buy it.
Looking forward to your replies!
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Wow!!!! Look UP!!!!!
JERRY PUCHYR
laura.k.watson <wat...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wrote:
>In article <alex-051...@dialip-54.mr.net> al...@spiral.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>>>
>>> I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier
>>> and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were
>>> swapping the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove of
>>> alien technology in 50 years?
>
>C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators. We supposedly got
>them as an outgrowth of chips which supposedly had to be invented
And how about the first transistor, do u think it was passed to us by the
alien nation, and the Nobel prize was just a cover up? And how about Intel?
Is that an Alien Corporation. Did you know that Cyrix's president is Dr. ET?
>(necessity is the mother of invention, right) for the Appollo mission
>or some such. And what about microwave ovens. And sattelite dishes,
Microwave ovens too? Wow, and where did u hear that? I still haven't seen
any facts. It's like saying that ET gave us the old PINTO technology.
>computers, and even televsion. Most of this stuff of aliens landing
And how about Telephone? Are you telling me that Bell was a moron, who wasted
his life, which was already known???
And how about a light bulb by Edison? If there was Alien technology why
were people using gasoline lightings?
Lastly, how about Modern Compact Disc Players? By you assumption it came
from another galaxy too?
>on earth and forming the alleged MJ-12 and all of that happened before
>I was even BORN, and even *I* can figure out that we didn't have all
>our modern technology back BEFORE this alleged alien landing. Sheesh.
>
*I* can figure out why we didn;t have the technology. That;s because it wasnt
invented yet.
Later!!!!!
Jerry
Doreen E Bower-1
JERRY PUCHYR <cs92...@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> wrote:
>In article <alex-021...@dialip-53.mr.net>,
>Dave Alexander <al...@spiral.org> wrote:
>
>If US. government had so called Alien technology, then we would be far more advanced. Don't you think???
>
Heheheheheheh, this is neat. First off, any alien technology they had
would be classified 'Secret' or above. The public would not hear _any_
of it.
Well, actually I should retract that... sometimes the public does hear
wierd things in the sky. For example the 'skyquakes' in the Nevada
desert, of sonic booms so strong they made strong marks on those earthquake
measuring devices (forget the name, sorry). Myself, a few months ago
I heard some VERY strange, very loud sonic rumblings above the sky
that I could not identify in any way. Didn't seem to be a rocket test,
a jet sonic boom, or anything (I live in San Diego) I could readily
identify.
Now, I said the public as a whole wouldn't hear about any of it, but
perhaps individuals might unearth something here and tehre. Information
is highly compartmentalized, so you really have to ask around and come
in contact with a lot of people (especially in military sectors) to
find out stuff. I know the government has particle beam weaponry,
'cold tubes' (underground vacuum tunnels meant to move nuclear weaponry
and war material from point A to point B at supersonic speeds),
a fusion generator, lots of neat toys. I read Timothy Good's latest
book which covered Robert Lazar very well, and I highly suggest it to
those who want a bit of insight as to what the gov't is doing with these
alien toys. Lazar mentioned that some things he couldn't say, and rightly
should remain classified, but even that stuff you can uncover if you look
in the right circles. Research esoteric Tesla, John Keely, Thomsend
Brown, and you got yourself a solid start into the real nuts and bolts
of unfied theory, gravity manipulation and energy-from-vacuum devices.
I will make a quick plug for KeelyNET, a nonprofit (hell, they ask you
to spread their files everywhere) BBS that has tons of very keen files.
GRAVITY3.ASC (a gravity field manipulator) and COILBAK.ZIP (a simple
free energy device), at 1-214-324-3501. Beyond that, it is up to everyone
on their own to do the research and make the effort to ASK THE QUESTIONS.
I wish you luck :)
- Richard Temps
Ken Jensen
Rich Payne
>In article <alex-051...@dialip-54.mr.net> al...@spiral.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>>>
>>> I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier
>>> and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were
>>> swapping the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove of
>>> alien technology in 50 years?
>
>C'mon. Use your old bean.
Please do, you need to read up on some recent history...
> What about calculators. We supposedly got
>them as an outgrowth of chips which supposedly had to be invented
>(necessity is the mother of invention, right) for the Appollo mission
>or some such.
Naaa, IC's were a normal outgrowth of transistors, and MOS technology
is not something impossible for humans to invent/understand. As for
Apollo, man-rating is so difficult to get that the Challenger still
had magnetic core memory (long extinct everywhere else).
> And what about microwave ovens. And sattelite dishes,
Microwave ovens were invented when someone (forget his name) noticed
that birds flying in front of high-power radar dishes fell to the
ground, cooked. They are built with the same microwave technology.
>computers, and even televsion.
Unbelievable, you ascribe all these things to aliens?
> Most of this stuff of aliens landing
>on earth and forming the alleged MJ-12 and all of that happened before
>I was even BORN, and even *I* can figure out that we didn't have all
>our modern technology back BEFORE this alleged alien landing. Sheesh.
And cave men did not have electricity, what does this prove? Things
change over time Laura, and the rate of change has accelerated. You
might try reading _Future_Shock_ by Alvin Toffler. He has a new book
out but the name escapes me.
>--
>Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
>
>Trying to free myself from anxiety-causing positive ion buildup.
How are you going about that?
Rich
--
Dirk John Fischer
> = laura.k.watson [hi laura]
>>> = Dave Alexander
>>>
>>> I have a question. If the UFO sightings are going on since 1940's or earlier
>>> and as the article "government announcement" said that the Aliens were
>>> swapping the Earth goodies with their technology. Where is a single prove
>>>of alien technology in 50 years?
>C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators. We supposedly got
>them as an outgrowth of chips which supposedly had to be invented
>(necessity is the mother of invention, right) for the Appollo mission
>or some such.
Back in the stone age (1972) I used a piece of equipment called an
Integral Calculator - about the size of an Apple II. It did integrals
(surprise!). I watched as over the years the size of this type of
equipment slowly & steadily (no 'great leap forward') shrank in size
& became the scientific calculator I now use today.
>And what about microwave ovens.
An outgrowth of radar; which itself was part of the continual scientific
exploration of the electro-magnetic spectrum.
>And sattelite dishes,
The parabola is a well known figure/surface. No magic here.
>computers, and even televsion. Most of this stuff of aliens landing
>on earth and forming the alleged MJ-12 and all of that happened before
>I was even BORN,
>and even *I* can figure out that we didn't have all
>our modern technology back BEFORE this alleged alien landing. Sheesh.
laura, laura, laura . . . cause & effect. We didn't have 'all our modern
technology' before WWII either. Cause? Effect? All that you have mentioned
as 'modern' technologies have LONG & well document evolutions from basic
scientific principles. C'mon.
DJF
PS If there are any 'alien' technologies - how could any technology be 'alien'
if it's all part of this universe? - & the 'gov' or whomever is not
using it (ie it has no measurable impact on reality) then, for all practical
purposes, it doesn't exist.
--
"Here's what I know," said the physicist. "If we lived in a microscopic
world, trucks would crash into walls, fly apart & then reassemble perfectly
on the other side of the wall. This has been proven."
DJF is Dirk John Fischer am...@yfn.ysu.edu
Dean Adams
Obvioulsy there isn't any...
>>C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators.
Geez, how about GETTING a "bean"!! :->
>>And what about microwave ovens.
>>And sattelite dishes,
>>computers, and even televsion.
Well, all of those devices may be beyond YOUR comprehension,
but thankfully for the human face they were *not* beyond the
intellect of many scientists and engineers.
Have you ever seen the series "Connections"? Watch it sometime
and James Burke will show you the very technological leaps and
bounds that led to some of those very devices.
Sorry, guys... no "aliens" involved. :->
Its also VERY sad that anyone could be so hooked on aliens that
they can't even imagine a televison or microwave oven being
invented without them! What causes people to have such a
profound detatchment from reality and common sense??? Sheesh.
dmv
intresting.
laura.k.watson
>laura, laura, laura . . . cause & effect. We didn't have 'all our modern
>technology' before WWII either. Cause? Effect? All that you have mentioned
>as 'modern' technologies have LONG & well document evolutions from basic
>scientific principles. C'mon.
Well, what you say is true enough generally, however, it seems to me
that the rapidity which things have developed in this century, after
science was just crawling along at a snail's pace for several thousand
years, it might seem to indicate that knowledgeable aliens in various
scientific disciplines might have come along and helped things along a
bit. How do you explain the sudden accleration of science and
technology otherwise?
--
Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
laura.k.watson
>
>>>C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators.
>
>Geez, how about GETTING a "bean"!! :->
>
>>>And what about microwave ovens.
>>>And sattelite dishes,
>>>computers, and even televsion.
>
>Well, all of those devices may be beyond YOUR comprehension,
>but thankfully for the human face they were *not* beyond the
>intellect of many scientists and engineers.
I didn't say they were beyond MY COMPREHENSION, I just happen to
know that it's a lot easier to understand a simplistic theory of
something like that than it is to develop it into a working
functional device that can be reproduced reliably. Especially when
new materials to make them out of have to be invented first. An
awful lot of the right things have to happen in the right sequence
for these ideas even to come to fruition. It's very complex. One
little failure of one little link in the chain of this progress
would blow the whole thing out of the water.
>Its also VERY sad that anyone could be so hooked on aliens that
>they can't even imagine a televison or microwave oven being
>invented without them! What causes people to have such a
>profound detatchment from reality and common sense??? Sheesh.
Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
line up with Venus in such and such a year.
--
Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
Dean Adams
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Oh, please! Did you start this thread just as a bullshitting
excercise or something? Now you are being even more silly.
>And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
>line up with Venus in such and such a year.
Hmmm... I would expect that to be one of YOUR reasons! :->
You really should try and see the "Connections" series sometime!
It goes into *great* detail about this very subject of what it
takes to precipitate many of the most important inventions in
human (no aliens, sorry!) history.
One BIG problem we had back in those "dark ages" was the overpowering
control of theocracy. Organized religion existed to keep the people
ignorant and subserviant to the ruling priests, etc. Science and
new ideas were often repressed or obliterated entirely, because they
were seen as a threat to the "status quo". Organized religion is
perhaps guilty of the greatest crimes against humanity imaginable.
Besides all the wars and "inquisitions", perpetuating and *enforcing*
IGNORNACE is an inexcusable crime. If these types of religions had
not been invented and evolved into powerful institutions, then
perhaps we *would* have had "microwave ovens" in the 1600s.
Hmm... I wasn't planning to get into all that stuff, but whatever! :>
Sourcerer
: Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
: invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
: they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
: they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
: line up with Venus in such and such a year.
: --
: Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
This comment displays such a totality of ignorance of history and of what
science is that no answer that could penetrate and dispel it is possible --
unless someone were willing to dedicate years to the project of
educating you. And even then it may not be possible.
I understand why you have no choice but to believe what you do.
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Jeremy Konopka
Hmm, there was little or no 'science' in the modern sense until the 16th
century. Before that people would believe any old crap on blind faith
(kind of like UFOlogists) without ever conducting controlled experiments
to prove or disprove things. After this point small incremental advances
started which over time snowballed into the rapid changes evidenced in
this century. As far as the helpful alien is concerned, how did the alien
get its knowledge? Did it learn on its own or was it taught? If it was
taught then who taught it? If it learned on its own, then what makes you
think humans are incapable of the same process?
I would recommend the book, "The Day the Universe Changed" by James Burke
as a good introduction to the history of science and technology. The TV
programme of the same name is also quite good.
>--
>Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
--
Jeremy Konopka | opinions mine |
Jeremy Konopka
>>
>>Well, all of those devices may be beyond YOUR comprehension,
>>but thankfully for the human face they were *not* beyond the
>>intellect of many scientists and engineers.
>
>I didn't say they were beyond MY COMPREHENSION, I just happen to
>know that it's a lot easier to understand a simplistic theory of
>something like that than it is to develop it into a working
>functional device that can be reproduced reliably. Especially when
>new materials to make them out of have to be invented first. An
>awful lot of the right things have to happen in the right sequence
>for these ideas even to come to fruition. It's very complex. One
>little failure of one little link in the chain of this progress
>would blow the whole thing out of the water.
And that is exactly what happens all the time. Have you seen early VTRs?
Or early microwaves? Or early Rocket experiments? The history of science
and technology is littered with failed ideas, explosions and unexpected
results. Fortunately most of these people would go back to work and try
another tack until they got it right or found out why it couldn't be done
that way.
>>Its also VERY sad that anyone could be so hooked on aliens that
>>they can't even imagine a televison or microwave oven being
>>invented without them! What causes people to have such a
>>profound detatchment from reality and common sense??? Sheesh.
>Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
>invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
>they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
>they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
>line up with Venus in such and such a year.
Electricity was not invented, it had existed as a natural force before
people learned to use it. As far as microwaves existing, they couldn't,
the necessary knowledge base did not yet exist. The whole argument is
very silly, you may then argue that the internet is a product of alien
technology since it did not exist in 1960 and there were plenty of smart
people living at that time. The Intel Pentium only became available now,
but Intel existed in 1980, therefore, the Pentium is an alien product.
The Boeing 767 is obviously an alien design since it did not exist in
1955, etc etc etc
As far as Saturn and Venus lining up, talk to the astrology loons about that.
JERRY PUCHYR
No offense Laura, bud do you really believe that all the modern science is based on some Aliens teaching at leading research centres and universities?
COME OON!!! How do YOU explain the sudden acceleration of science?
Do you actually believe that for example some ET came to IBM during 80''s and
said.. Hey guys why don't you build a PC and sell it to the public?
Or do you think that some ET came over to the French inventor of Steam Automobile, telling him he should put the steam engine on the wheels and make a car?
And how about Wright Brothers? First plane??? Hmm do you think it's based on
Alien Technology? I don't think so.
With your views you are putting down the entire scientific population this planet had for the "century" You are right, lot's of new things were invented.
But definetly not by some ET's. Why don't you show us a single prove or evidence of your ET-RULEZ Science-Sucks accusations.
If you stand behind all of your amusing sci-fi story, then it seems to me that
you are not really well educated about the history, and the scientists who invented things we are still using. Then I would probably think, that you yourself
are a Looney from another planet.
See ya around.
HEY SNATTIE!!!! BEAM ME UP!!!!
Dr. C. Scott Littleton
I think you and the others who've jumped on Laura's question are being a
bit hard on the poor woman. To be sure, it is possible to trace out the
intricate web of connections that led from the mechanical clock (13th
century) to Copernicus (16th century) to Newton (end of the 17th century),
and then, through Savery (1698), Newcommon (1712), and others who applied
the new scientific discoveries (e.g., "Boyle's Law") to James Watt and the
onset of the Industrial Revolution, etc., etc. But Laura has asked a fair
question: Why didn't electricity, etc., appear in the 16th century; after
all, the human brain hasn't evolved much, if at all, in the last four
hundred years, so our ancestors were as bright (and as dumb) as we are
today, with all of our microchips, computers, and whatnot.
The answer lies, I think, in both the cumulative effect of a series of
discoveries about the way the world actually works, devoid of the "God
factor," plus the growing pressure for new sources of power to turn wheels
and run mills. The traditional sources--air (windmills), water
(water wheels), as well as animal and human muscle power--simply weren't
sufficient as the British and then other Europeans began to extend their
economic hegemony to the planet as whole in the 18th and early 19th
centuries.
But the most basic of these inventions, the steam engine, was far from
new. The first to invent it was an Alexandrian Greek named Hero, circa
130 B.C. Of course, at that time there was a vast and seemingly
endless supply of human muscle power in the persons of the slaves that
did most of the work, and so there was no pressure for a new source of
power (i.e., steam). Hero's device was viewed as a clever toy.
Had Ptolomaic Egypt been under threat at the time (as it would be about a
century later from the Romans), and had there been an epidemic that was
wiping out the slave population, it's possible that this "toy" might have
been developed into a real engine. say, to grind grain. If that had
happened, the "Industrial Revolution" would have started two millennia
before it actually did. Of course, if the same basic timetable had been
followed, that is, approximately two hundred years from steam power to
nuclear energy, the Emperor Caligula might have had an atomic bomb at his
disposal...and today the cockroaches might be at the top of the food
chain.... If our species had survived, though, it's entirely possible
that at this point in absolute time we might be about to launch the first
expedition to the Andromeda Galaxy!
How much input have our ET colonial masters had in all this? Very little,
I suspect, although from time to time--as Laura implies--they MAY have
injected some ideas into the intellectual marketplace. Indeed, they may
still be doing this; giving us an occasional nudge, if only to see how we
react.
So continue to ask questions, Laura, and don't let the know-it-alls
inhibit you! (Though I suspect that there's a fat chance of THAT
happening...) In any case, hang in there--and keep on challenging
conventional wisdom!
--
Cheers, "I think we're property...."
Scott Littleton --Charles Fort
yok...@oxy.edu
JERRY PUCHYR
laura.k.watson <wat...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wrote:
>In article <dadamsCH...@netcom.com> dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams) writes:
>>
>>>>C'mon. Use your old bean. What about calculators.
>>
>>Geez, how about GETTING a "bean"!! :->
>>
>>>>And what about microwave ovens.
>>>>And sattelite dishes,
>>>>computers, and even televsion.
>>
>>Well, all of those devices may be beyond YOUR comprehension,
>>but thankfully for the human face they were *not* beyond the
>>intellect of many scientists and engineers.
>
>I didn't say they were beyond MY COMPREHENSION, I just happen to
>know that it's a lot easier to understand a simplistic theory of
>something like that than it is to develop it into a working
>functional device that can be reproduced reliably. Especially when
>new materials to make them out of have to be invented first. An
>awful lot of the right things have to happen in the right sequence
>for these ideas even to come to fruition. It's very complex. One
>little failure of one little link in the chain of this progress
>would blow the whole thing out of the water.
I am sorry to intrude again. But your approach to this topic is totally
unscientific. And it seems to me that we are discussing this topic with
some kid from a 3rd grade who has no idea about history, geography and gener
al science. The above text says nothing technical, nothing scientific.
I would like to what functional device you had in your mind. What particular things have to have in the right sequence??? And what's very complex???
I am sorry but you didn't tell us anything. No offense but it's exactly same
if you wrote 20 lines of Blah Blah Blah Blah and so on. Where are your facts?
Any proves? You have no idea what you are or would like to talk about.
>
>>Its also VERY sad that anyone could be so hooked on aliens that
>>they can't even imagine a televison or microwave oven being
>>invented without them! What causes people to have such a
>>profound detatchment from reality and common sense??? Sheesh.
>
>Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
>invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
>they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
>they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
>line up with Venus in such and such a year.
This is really pathetic. Now again please specify which country you are in
right now? It doesn't take a 6 year old kid to think what was in America /
Canada in 1600? I ask you the same question.
Wasn't 1600's the Rennesaince time (correct me if I am wrong). I suggest you
take a science or physics book and read on scietists of those times. And again you mentioned they had great scientists back then? Do you know who were they?
Why don't you tell us some examples (that will give you an opportunity to look it up!)
And guess what perhaps they didn't need electricity? They obviously didn't have the resources as later.
Laura, reading your posts I kinda tend to think that you never went to school,
or possibly never travelled to Europe. Or if you did than you were
blindfolded.
HEY SNATTIE!!!!! BEEEEEEAM UP!!!!!
Ciau!!!
ET
ma...@galaxy.spc
>--
>Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
>
JERRY PUCHYR
Excellent point, Dean. The religion was very suppresive at those times.
But hey it's almost pointless to point it out to someone who has no idea
about the history or about anything.
Laterz
ET busters!!!
Sourcerer
: In article <2ec7fe$q...@telerama.lm.com> dje...@telerama.lm.com (Sourcerer) writes:
: >laura.k.watson (wat...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
: >
: >: Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
: >: invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
: >: they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
: >: they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
: >: line up with Venus in such and such a year.
: >: --
: >: Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
: >
: >This comment displays such a totality of ignorance of history and of what
: >science is that no answer that could penetrate and dispel it is possible --
: >unless someone were willing to dedicate years to the project of
: >educating you. And even then it may not be possible.
: >
: >I understand why you have no choice but to believe what you do.
: >
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: onset of the Industrial Revolution, etc., etc. But Laura has asked a fair
: question: Why didn't electricity, etc., appear in the 16th century; after
: all, the human brain hasn't evolved much, if at all, in the last four
: hundred years, so our ancestors were as bright (and as dumb) as we are
: today, with all of our microchips, computers, and whatnot.
The ancient Chinese invented rockets. Why didn't they explore the solar
system?
Some of us confronted with such questions study history, psychology and
science. And some of us watch Star Trek.
Your answer (here deleted) was very good. That the developmental process,
the accumulation of knowledge, the growing complexity of connections
apparently does not occur to Laura indicates the level of her ideation.
I would add that some cultures just aren't interested in technological
change (which may explain the ancient Chinese attitude to rocketry). They
prefer other models for their society. Technological development as a
cultural norm is only about two centuries old and has been limited to the
West until only recently.
I don't want to stop Laura from asking questions, I think though she ought
to look for answers elsewhere than the first thought that pops into her mind.
No pain, no gain.
Dr. C. Scott Littleton
>Dr. C. Scott Littleton (yok...@cheshire.oxy.edu) wrote:
>: In article <2ec7fe$q...@telerama.lm.com> dje...@telerama.lm.com (Sourcerer) writes:
>: >laura.k.watson (wat...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >: Okay, then you just explain to me, just explain why they didn't
>: >: invent electricity and microwave ovens in the 1600's. After all
>: >: they had some other great scientists back then. Huh? Why didn't
>: >: they do it? And don't tell me it's because Saturn happened to
>: >: line up with Venus in such and such a year.
>: >: --
>: >: Laura Watson l...@falcon3.att.com
>: >
>: >This comment displays such a totality of ignorance of history and of what
>: >science is that no answer that could penetrate and dispel it is possible --
>: >unless someone were willing to dedicate years to the project of
>: >educating you. And even then it may not be possible.
>: >
>: >I understand why you have no choice but to believe what you do.
>: >
>: >--
>: >(}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}})__
>: >({{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ At the back of the blue bus{{} /(**)\
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>
>system?
>
This is a fascinating question. During the early years of the Sung
Dynasty (the 11th & 12th centuries), Chinese scholars and inventors had a
field day. Rockets, gunpowder, the magnetic compass, and a great many
other sophisticated things were developed; indeed, at that time China was
FAR ahead of the West in this area. But several things conspired to put
an end to this creative surge. One, of course, was the Mongol invasion,
under Ghengis Khan, which obliterated the Northern Sung at the end of the
12th century. But a more important factor was Confucianism, especially
the Neo-Confucianism of Chu Shi, et al. The idea that rockets, gunpowder,
etc., could have practical uses, or that technological development was an
important end in itself, was simply unacceptable. This was NOT the path
toward virtue, and the embryonic presence of a class of educated
tinkerers, such as would make the West's industrial revolution
six-hundred years later, scared the hell out of the Manderin "sages,"
whose chief claim to intellectual authority was that they'd mastered the
Confucian classics (i.e., the Analects, etc.). So the Establishment
discouraged both invention and empirical scientific research, ostensibly
on the ground that the Middle Kingdom was superior to all others and had
reached what amounted to perfection in this area--which must have amused
the ETs who were assigned to monitor East Asia no end. In any case, by
the time the West came into sustained contact with China in the late 18th
century, it was far more advanced technologically--despite the fact that
many of the basic inventions that had helped it get that way had been
borrowed from China several centuries earlier (e.g., gunpowder. movable
type, etc.).
>Some of us confronted with such questions study history, psychology and
>science. And some of us watch Star Trek.
I do both.
>Your answer (here deleted) was very good.
Thanks!
>That the developmental process,
>the accumulation of knowledge, the growing complexity of connections
>apparently does not occur to Laura indicates the level of her ideation.
>I would add that some cultures just aren't interested in technological
>change (which may explain the ancient Chinese attitude to rocketry). They
>prefer other models for their society.
See above comments re Chinese technology. I don't expect Laura to be an
expert on Chinese history, or or the history of technology per se, for
that matter, but at least she's willing to explore uncharted
territory--which is more than I can say for most of my more conevntional
professional colleagues.
>Technological development as a
>cultural norm is only about two centuries old and has been limited to the
>West until only recently.
That's essentially correct, although there have been other eras when
technological progress has been surprisingly rapid. In addition to the
previously mentioned thrust toward technological sophistication in early
Sung China, let's not forget that many regions of the planet, from
Mesopotamia to Mesoamerica, underwent rapid change in response to the
challenge posed by the retreat of the ice caps and the subsequent profound
climatic changes that affected the entire planet. We generally call this
rapid explosion of knowledge, which saw the invention of the wheel, the
plow, animal transport, and a host of other fundamental things, the
"agricultural revolution." Indeed, communities of less than 150
semi-nomadic hunters and gatherers often evolved into settled farming
village of upwards of 1,000 in less than two centuries (in southern
Anatolia, Palestine, the Zargos, the Tehuacan Valley of Mexico, etc.).
>I don't want to stop Laura from asking questions, I think though she ought
>to look for answers elsewhere than the first thought that pops into her mind.
>No pain, no gain.
>
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I'm sure you don't. But at least she's searching for answers--and willing
to consider new and seemingly impossible ones (at least from the
standpoint of conventional scholarship/science), such as the possibility
that some of our current technological triumphs MAY stem from alien input.
While I don't think that's the case generally, it's not something that
should be ruled out altogether. And so l still encourage Laura to keep on
asking questions, no matter how off-the-wall they may seem at first
glance. I, for one, find her contributions to this dialogue consistently
refreshing and, on occasion, rather enlightening.
In sum, speaking as a teacher with over thirty-one years' experience in
a college classroom, I'd love to have her as a student! That's more than I
can say about most of the people whose prose I read on this echo.