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Sir Gilligan Horry

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Feb 3, 2010, 8:31:39 PM2/3/10
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All humans are 'aliens from outer space', scientist claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7136269/All-humans-are-aliens-from-outer-space-scientist-claims.html

OK, so from now I won't greet you all with
"howdy, how's it going".


It will be... "groffogrop anuanuu".


And ...

Dear Universe, where are our blinking motherships ?


==================================

__________________________________

http://Free-UFO-Videos.blogspot.com

http://Best-UFO-Alien-Videos.blogspot.com

__________________________________

Double-A

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Feb 3, 2010, 7:01:03 PM2/3/10
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On Feb 3, 5:31 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
> All humans are 'aliens from outer space', scientist claims.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7136269/All-humans-are-alien...

>
> OK, so from now I won't greet you all with
> "howdy, how's it going".
>
> It will be... "groffogrop anuanuu".
>
> And ...
>
> Dear Universe, where are our blinking motherships ?
>
> ==================================
>
> __________________________________
>
> http://Free-UFO-Videos.blogspot.com
>
> http://Best-UFO-Alien-Videos.blogspot.com
>
> __________________________________


Sir Horny, what ever gave you the idea that the readers of
alt.astronomy would be interested in your UFO stuff?

Double-A

Sir Gilligan Horry

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Feb 3, 2010, 9:18:29 PM2/3/10
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:01:03 -0800 (PST), Double-A <doub...@hush.com>
wrote:

>On Feb 3, 5:31�pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
>> All humans are 'aliens from outer space', scientist claims.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7136269/All-humans-are-alien...
>>
>> OK, so from now I won't greet you all with
>> "howdy, how's it going".
>>
>> It will be... "groffogrop anuanuu".
>>
>> And ...
>>
>> Dear Universe, where are our blinking motherships ?
>>
>> ==================================
>>
>> __________________________________
>>
>> http://Free-UFO-Videos.blogspot.com
>>
>> http://Best-UFO-Alien-Videos.blogspot.com
>>
>> __________________________________
>
>

>Sir Horry, what ever gave you the idea that the readers of


>alt.astronomy would be interested in your UFO stuff?


Hubble Detects X Shaped Object At 11,000 mph

http://gizmodo.com/5462539/hubble-detects-mysterious-spaceship+shaped-object-traveling-at-11000mph


Hagar

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Feb 3, 2010, 8:19:08 PM2/3/10
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"Sir Gilligan Horry" <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote in message
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That "two comets colliding" theory sounds sort of far fetched ... it's like
to people,
positioned a mile apart, shooting 22LR bullets towards each other at a 45
degree
angle and then have them collide in mid air. Could happen ... in a movie
perhaps
... but highly unlikely in real life.
Of course, GuthBall will have a thesis to cover that.


Sir Gilligan Horry

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Feb 3, 2010, 10:49:24 PM2/3/10
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Hey, I can see faces in the comets tail.
It must be intelligent life !
LOL ;)

Once I gave a Japanese friend a beautiful waterfall
nature poster for his room. And he said
"no good, I can see faces everywhere in it".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2159578540_061e703b7a.jpg?v=0

Sekula

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Feb 3, 2010, 9:53:09 PM2/3/10
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I've had this theory long before this scientist came up with it. I must have
been an alien in a past life. No wonder the people of Earth shit me no end.


Orval Fairbairn

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Feb 3, 2010, 11:46:03 PM2/3/10
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In article <4b6a3692$0$6092$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote:

All you have to do is go to South Beach in Miami -- the place is filled
with silicon-based life forms!

--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

Sekula

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Feb 4, 2010, 12:37:16 AM2/4/10
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"Orval Fairbairn" <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net> wrote in message
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LOL


HVAC

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Feb 4, 2010, 6:35:19 AM2/4/10
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm,name> wrote in message
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>
> That "two comets colliding" theory sounds sort of far fetched ... it's
> like to people,
> positioned a mile apart, shooting 22LR bullets towards each other at a 45
> degree
> angle and then have them collide in mid air. Could happen ... in a movie
> perhaps
> ... but highly unlikely in real life.


But yet, it happens.

With hundreds of millions of asteroids
and billions of years time, these collisions
are common on a planetary time scale.

The fact that we get to SEE such a collision
is what's rare. Kinda like the Jupiter impact
event in the 90's.


HVAC

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I've had this theory long before this scientist came up with it.


This theory has been around for decades, so
don't go thinking you're some half-assed genius.

The theory sucks anyway. It fail to answer the
question of where life arose in the first place.

bert

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Feb 4, 2010, 8:25:40 AM2/4/10
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On Feb 3, 8:31 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
> All humans are 'aliens from outer space', scientist claims.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7136269/All-humans-are-alien...

>
> OK, so from now I won't greet you all with
> "howdy, how's it going".
>
> It will be... "groffogrop anuanuu".
>
> And ...
>
> Dear Universe, where are our blinking motherships ?
>
> ==================================
>
> __________________________________
>
> http://Free-UFO-Videos.blogspot.com
>
> http://Best-UFO-Alien-Videos.blogspot.com
>
> __________________________________

Horny Humankind did not evolve on Earth 6 million years ago a space
ship landed in Africa. Those inside were our ancesters. To bad my
novel "Stepping Stones" never go published. TreBert

HVAC

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Feb 4, 2010, 10:41:26 AM2/4/10
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"bert" <herbertg...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Horny Humankind did not evolve on Earth 6 million years ago a space
ship landed in Africa. Those inside were our ancesters. To bad my
novel "Stepping Stones" never go published. TreBert
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


That's because the book sucked.

Sorry to burst your bubble there old timer,
but you got passed over when they were
handing out talent.


No offense.


BradGuth

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Feb 4, 2010, 2:06:38 PM2/4/10
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As long as you have access to Google Groups and their version of
Usenet/newsgroups, there's no valid reason that you can't e-publish it
right here within your own private Usenet group that you can name
"Stepping-Stones" or whatever.

Go for it. Later on it can be made to look as fancy as you like.

btw; I totally agree with your ETs seeding of Earth with their
relatively modern human species, not that similar species and much
other complex biodiversity didn't already exist.

~ BG

Double-A

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Feb 4, 2010, 2:20:05 PM2/4/10
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On Feb 4, 5:25 am, bert <herbertglazie...@msn.com> wrote:


But they did work this into one of the episodes of "The X-Files".
Copyright infringement? Wait a minute. You never published, so you
have no copyright!

Double-A

Sekula

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Feb 4, 2010, 9:10:16 PM2/4/10
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"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So an answer that explains how life started on Earth isnt valid because it
doesnt answer another totally seperate question? PFFFTTTTT!!!!


Orval Fairbairn

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Feb 4, 2010, 11:27:41 PM2/4/10
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In article <4b6b7e04$0$3003$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually, it would appear, after examining numerous animals, past and
present, that all mammals are variants of the same basic design.

1. Quadropeds
2. five digits
3. similar appendage design (shoulder, elbow, wrist, digits)
4. Even the horse, with the digits fused, has similar bone structure to
man.
5. Seven vertebrae in the neck (same for a giraffe, mouse and man)

No, it appears that we are the product of an indigenous evolution and
are related to all other mammals on Earth.

BradGuth

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Feb 4, 2010, 11:42:05 PM2/4/10
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On Feb 4, 8:27 pm, Orval Fairbairn <o_r_fairbairn@earth_link.net>
wrote:
> In article <4b6b7e04$0$3003$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>
>
>
>  "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hkeboh$3i6$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > >news:4b6a3692$0$6092$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > >> I've had this theory long before this scientist came up with it.
>
> > > This theory has been around for decades, so
> > > don't go thinking you're some half-assed genius.
>
> > > The theory sucks anyway.  It fail to answer the
> > > question of where life arose in the first place.
>
> > So an answer that explains how life started on Earth isnt valid because it
> > doesnt answer another totally seperate question? PFFFTTTTT!!!!
>
> Actually, it would appear, after examining numerous animals, past and
> present, that all mammals are variants of the same basic design.
>
> 1. Quadropeds
> 2. five digits
> 3. similar appendage design (shoulder, elbow, wrist, digits)
> 4. Even the horse, with the digits fused, has similar bone structure to
> man.
> 5. Seven vertebrae in the neck (same for a giraffe, mouse and man)
>
> No, it appears that we are the product of an indigenous evolution and
> are related to all other mammals on Earth.
>
> --
> Remove _'s  from email address to talk to me.

So, deploying humans to Mars and abandoning them there, as such
wouldn't constitute any variation from its own indigenous "seven
vertebrae" evolution?

~ BG

HVAC

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> I've had this theory long before this scientist came up with it.
>>
>>
>> This theory has been around for decades, so
>> don't go thinking you're some half-assed genius.
>>
>> The theory sucks anyway. It fail to answer the
>> question of where life arose in the first place.
>
> So an answer that explains how life started on Earth isnt valid because it
> doesnt answer another totally seperate question? PFFFTTTTT!!!!


First of all, stupid, I was addressing your statement telling
everyone how wonderful and forward-looking you are.

You're not.

Secondly, you fucking retard, all his theory does is just push
the question back further. I bet you're one of those religious
freaks that think that god did it.


Have a nice day!


bert

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Feb 5, 2010, 7:26:31 AM2/5/10
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On Feb 4, 10:41 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "bert" <herbertglazie...@msn.com> wrote in message

Hvac How can you critizise a novel you never read? This is the
reason you are a low wit wonder of the universe Oi ya TreBert

Sekula

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Its obvious by your answer you are an utter moron with no clue or foresight
to be discussing aliens or the universe.

You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he doesnt!! I
on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the possibility he/she/it
DOES. True science cannot function in a box. Have a wonderful universe!!


HVAC

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he doesnt!!
> I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the possibility
> he/she/it DOES.


So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.

This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
progress throughout history.

--
"I don't want to believe, I want to KNOW" - Carl Sagan


HVAC

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"bert" <herbertg...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's because the book sucked.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble there old timer,
> but you got passed over when they were
> handing out talent.
>
> No offense.

Hvac How can you critizise a novel you never read?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Maybe you can't judge a book by it's cover, but you
CAN judge a man by his spelling.

Oh BTW.... It's 'criticize', you moron.

Sekula

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"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
>> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
>> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
>
> So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> progress throughout history.

It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is for me
to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??


*_//!!_//!!*

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Feb 5, 2010, 11:13:52 AM2/5/10
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On 5 Feb, 14:23, "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Well, according to the Bibble, nobody can see God and yet
live, unless God choses to reveal him/her/itself as to how '&'
to whom without leaving a trace of evidence.

I.O.W.

So even if you want to KNOW God and are able to, but God
doesn't want to know you or hasn't chosen to know you, you
wouldn't live to tell the tale...least of all be able to provide the
evidence.

Remaining either Invisible and/or Untouchable is the Perfect
Protect or Defence.

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*


WangoTango

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Feb 5, 2010, 11:25:21 AM2/5/10
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In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
nor...@hotmail.com says...

There are no apples to "like" at all.
A logical fallacy does not an argument make.

HVAC

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
>> god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>>
>> This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
>> progress throughout history.
>
> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is for
> me to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??


What a moron. I just KNEW you were a god believer.

Prove to ME that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.

--
Faith is believing what you know ain't so" -Mark Twain


Darwin123

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Feb 5, 2010, 12:40:01 PM2/5/10
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On Feb 5, 11:12 am, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
> > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > progress throughout history.
>
> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is for me
> to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??

No one was trying to prove to you God exists. You and other
Creationists claimed that nonbelievers were ignoring evidence. You
accused them of denial, dishonesty. misbehavior and stupidity. Hence,
they are mostly defending themselves.
People should be considered innocent until proven guilty. Your
accusation that scientists are withholding evidence requires evidence
that you have not provided.
Some atheists and IDers are making a counter-accusation that you
are in denial, dishonest, misbehaving and/or stupid. When they point
out that you have no proof, they are not making a definite statement
about God one way or the other. They are making a statement about you.
They are claiming that you are too morally deficient to make a
judgment about anything.
Very few posters make a definite statement about God not existing.
Just a few atheists make such a statement. However, even in those
cases it is not about God. It is really a statement about you. These
people are countering your arguments. They are saying that your
reasons are bad.
You made the initial accusation. Therefore, It isn't about God.
It is about you, you, you. How do you like dem apples, babe?

*_//!!_//!!*

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Feb 5, 2010, 1:08:34 PM2/5/10
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On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> nore...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > > progress throughout history.

Lack of Any evidence isn't proof of Non-existence and *I*
doubt ANY evidence would suffice for the Disbeliever who
typically wants its' cake and eat it to.

They claim not to believe, so 'why' bother the Believer, or
even want to KNOW. Progress isn't held back by Believe,
but Contentiousness.

> > It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist
> > as much as it is for me to prove he DOES..how do you
> > liek them apples boy??

It's a Fair argument/demand.

> There are no apples to "like" at all. A logical fallacy does
> not an argument make.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*


Jimbo

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Feb 5, 2010, 1:15:36 PM2/5/10
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On Feb 5, 11:12 am, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
> > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > progress throughout history.
>
> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist

LOL! What a laugh. Do we have to prove to you that Santa Claus, the
Easter Bunny, or any of thousands of other creatures and entities of
fable and legend don't exist as well? You're making the
extraordinary claim that a magical sky-daddy exists, the burden of
proving he exists is squarely on your shoulders.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 1:08 pm, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > nore...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> > > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> > > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > > > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > > > progress throughout history.
>
> Lack of Any evidence isn't proof of Non-existence and *I*
> doubt ANY evidence would suffice for the Disbeliever who
> typically wants its' cake and eat it to.

Typically, you can't seem to provide ANY objective evidence, much less
even the minimum definition of objective evidence. Since your side of
the argument has never done this, then how can you say with any
certainty that it would not be accepted?

>
> They claim not to believe, so 'why' bother the Believer, or
> even want to KNOW.

They wouldn't be bothered, except a lot of them seem to insist upon
posting into alt.atheism with their garbage.

*_//!!_//!!*

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On 5 Feb, 18:18, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 5, 1:08 pm, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > > nore...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > > > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> > > > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> > > > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > > > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > > > > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > > > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > > > > progress throughout history.
>
> > Absence of evidence isn't proof of Non-existence and *I*

> > doubt ANY evidence would suffice for the Disbeliever who
> > typically wants its' cake and eat it to.
>
> Typically, you can't seem to provide ANY objective evidence, much less
> even the minimum definition of objective evidence.  Since your side of
> the argument has never done this, then how can you say with any
> certainty that it would not be accepted?

You're full of assumptions, Jimbo

What exactly do you mean by objective evidence?

*I* DOUBT you even know 'what' you mean by that.

> > They claim not to believe, so 'why' bother the
> > Believer, or even want to KNOW.
> >

> > It's not believe that holds Progress back, it's
> > Contentiousness.


>
> They wouldn't be bothered, except a lot of them
> seem to insist upon posting into alt.atheism with
> their garbage.

You DO NOT have to read or even Engage them,
unless you're looking for a fight, Jimbo.

Use your brain, Jimbo:

The Higgs Boson Particle is believed to exist, but is
yet to be proven to exist, but *I* don't see scientists
beating up on their peers about that, do you?

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

Gro...@jeffrelf.f-m.fm

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The better question is, “ What is ‘God’ ? ”, not “ Does ‘God’ exist ? ”.

Life is a party; “God” invites you in and/or bounces you out.
Everyone is a “God” over his domain, no matter how small or large.

Who should be welcomed to the party and who should be bounced out ?
With every dollar you spend, you cast your vote.

Some, like the Koreans, have ultra high standards ( low birth·rates );
others, e.g. Haitians, have much lower standards ( high birth·rates ).

“Life” is anything that consumes ( including the cosmos as a whole ).
Once consumed, eXergy* is forever gone.
*: net net, entropy goes up as eXergy ( fuel ) is lost.
   
The cosmos consumes fuel, it's “alive”.

Steve O

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"*_//!!_//!!*" <har...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>> nore...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
>> > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
>> > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>>
>> > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
>> > > god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>>
>> > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
>> > > progress throughout history.
>
> Lack of Any evidence isn't proof of Non-existence

He didn't say that.
He said that the lack of any evidence leads you to conclude that God exists.
Get it right.

and *I*
> doubt ANY evidence would suffice for the Disbeliever who
> typically wants its' cake and eat it to.
>
> They claim not to believe, so 'why' bother the Believer, or
> even want to KNOW. Progress isn't held back by Believe,
> but Contentiousness.
>
>> > It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist
>> > as much as it is for me to prove he DOES..how do you
>> > liek them apples boy??
>
> It's a Fair argument/demand.

No it isn't.
HE is the one who is making an extraordinary claim.
It is up to him to provide extraordinary evidence

--
Steve O
aa #2240 BAAWA
Theological Noncognivatist
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence

Tim McGaughy

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I say you owe me $5,000. Prove that you don't, or pay up.

Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Apples? You're not even in the orchard, son.

--
Doc Smartass | BAAWA Knight of Troll Medication | aa # 1939

Book reviews: http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/

Kook Clearinghouse! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/

Pray for Goppers the way they pray for Obama! Psalm 109!

Smiler

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How convenient? Almost as if you're making excuses for the non-appearance of
a non-existent being.
Got anything to substantiate that crap you posted?

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer

*_//!!_//!!*

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On 5 Feb, 21:17, "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
> "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

Oh...yes it is!

*Hallelujah*

*Amen*

Sekula

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"Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote in message
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I find the claim of NO GOD to be extraordinary..so put up or shut up.
Touche....


Sekula

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"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4b6c434f$0$1784$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>> So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
>>> god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>>>
>>> This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
>>> progress throughout history.
>>
>> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is for
>> me to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??
>
>
> What a moron. I just KNEW you were a god believer.
>
> Prove to ME that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.

Denial noted dipstick. Get back to mommy, boy.


Sekula

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"Darwin123" <drose...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I made no such accusation. Try to stick to the argument and cite what I've
ACTUALLY stated next time kiddo. You, you,YES, you are intellectually
deprived to even enter this debate. Intelligent design must START somewhere,
this is logical reasoning. Can you see the forest for the trees? I doubt it.


Sekula

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"Jimbo" <ckdb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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NO such burden exists dog-breath. I suppose you dont beleive the Holocaust
ever occurred? Im sure you werent there to witness it first hand with your
own eyes huh? Why do you beleive it happened then, oh mumbo jumbo man? I
await your response dumbo. LOL


Sekula

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"Tim McGaughy" <tee...@toast.net> wrote in message
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After you pay me the $20 million US, you owe me... sure!


Sekula

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"Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian" <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote
in message news:Xns9D16B56B99DB...@216.196.97.130...

> "Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:4b6c434f$0$1784$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
>>>> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
>>>> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>>>
>>>
>>> So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
>>> god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>>>
>>> This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
>>> progress throughout history.
>>
>> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is
>> for me to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??
>
> Apples? You're not even in the orchard, son.

You're still sitting under the hen.. bumwad.


Tim McGaughy

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Feb 5, 2010, 11:55:57 PM2/5/10
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I find the claim that you don't owe me $5,000 to be extraordinary. So
put up or pay up.

Adder

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"*_//!!_//!!*" <har...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> liek them apples boy??
>
> > It's a Fair argument/demand.
>
> No it isn't.

Oh...yes it is!

Umm... is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?


*_//!!_//!!*

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>beating up on their peers about that, or even the
>believers in God beating up on the scientists about
>that, do you?
>
>*I* say again: *Absence of evidence is NOT proof
> of non-existence*.

*_//!!_//!!*

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> >*I* say again: *Absence of Evidence is NOT Proof
> > of Non-existence*.
>
> IOW, just because there's 'Absence of Evidence' in the
> Belief that God/s 'or' the Higgs Boson Particle/s exists
> doesn't Prove that God/s 'or' the Higgs Boson Particle/s
> doesn't or don't exist.

>
> >What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>
> >*Hallelujah*
>
> >*Amen*
>
> > *A-Women*

hypa...@comcast.net

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On Feb 5, 11:55 pm, Tim McGaughy <tee...@toast.net> wrote:
> Sekula wrote:
> > "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote in message
> >news:7t3g86...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> put up or pay up.-

You don't even understand what the word extraordinary
means in a logical discussion, do you?

HVAC

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"Suckula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> What a moron. I just KNEW you were a god believer.
>>
>> Prove to ME that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.

>
> Denial noted dipstick. Get back to mommy, boy.


This is the deceit that is typical of the god believer.

They HAVE to do it. Otherwise the mental gymnastics
these pitiful people must go through will break them and
they will become atheists too.

Sad though, that these people who claim to be god's
righteous masses, resort to subterfuge and trickery
in a failed attempt to delude even themselves.

Steve O

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote in message
> news:7t3g86...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "*_//!!_//!!*" <har...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fb6b003e-5c97-46d7...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>>>> nore...@hotmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>>>>
>>>> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>

.
>>>
>>>> > It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist
>>>> > as much as it is for me to prove he DOES..how do you
>>>> > liek them apples boy??
>>>
>>> It's a Fair argument/demand.
>>
>> No it isn't.
>> HE is the one who is making an extraordinary claim.
>> It is up to him to provide extraordinary evidence
>
>
> I find the claim of NO GOD to be extraordinary..so put up or shut up.
> Touche....

So, you believe in Leprechauns, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Santa and
the Tooth Fairy too?
Some people make the extraordinary claim that they are real.
Some could even provide you with their evidence for such a belief.
Is it as much for you to prove that they don't exist as it is for them to
prove that they do?
Of course it isn't.
THEIRS (and yours) is the extraordinary claim, so put up or shut up yourself

Solomon

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 01:08:44 -0000, "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com>
wrote:

>*_//!!_//!!* wrote:
<snip>


>> Well, according to the Bibble, nobody can see God and yet
>> live, unless God choses to reveal him/her/itself as to how '&'
>> to whom without leaving a trace of evidence.
>>
>> I.O.W.
>>
>> So even if you want to KNOW God and are able to, but God
>> doesn't want to know you or hasn't chosen to know you, you
>> wouldn't live to tell the tale...least of all be able to provide the
>> evidence.
>>
>> Remaining either Invisible and/or Untouchable is the Perfect
>> Protect or Defence.
>>
>
>How convenient? Almost as if you're making excuses for the non-appearance of
>a non-existent being.
>Got anything to substantiate that crap you posted?

I think Angel might be a satirical construct. Ademmed annoying and
quite long-lived one, but one just the same.

Something about the "Bibble" told me so. ;-)


http://www.USENETHOST.com 100% Uncensored , 100% Anonymous, 5$/month Only!

Tim McGaughy

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You're the one arguing that one needs to prove a negative.


Where's my $5,000?

Smiler

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A Loki?
Na. He's too deluded for that.

bert

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On Feb 5, 9:26 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "bert" <herbertglazie...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b4d3a428-a3b3-404a...@r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > That's because the book sucked.
>
> > Sorry to burst your bubble there old timer,
> > but you got passed over when they were
> > handing out talent.
>
> > No offense.
>
> Hvac  How can you critizise a novel you never read?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Maybe you can't judge a book by it's cover, but you
> CAN judge a man by his spelling.
>
> Oh BTW.... It's 'criticize', you moron.

Hvac Judge a man by his spelling. Hmmmm Einstein must have won every
spelling bee. Only a low wit thinker like you could come up with
spelling makes the man. Oi ya TreBert

HVAC

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"bert" <herbertg...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe you can't judge a book by it's cover, but you
> CAN judge a man by his spelling.
>
> Oh BTW.... It's 'criticize', you moron.

Hvac Judge a man by his spelling. Hmmmm Einstein must have won every
spelling bee. Only a low wit thinker like you could come up with
spelling makes the man.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Poor spelling is a sign of a sloppy mind.


No offense.


BradGuth

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Seans and ZNRs are usually well educated and public funded to boot.
But then you don't want to accept that there are any bad Zionists/Jews
(just bad Muslims plus a few other groups of faith-based minorities
that typically don't happen to be in charge of anything that
significantly matters, nor are they bad consumers that are
dysfunctional at their being terribly resource inefficient, polluting
and contaminating of most everything in sight.

Those good folks in Haiti that sweatshop all day for us at $1.50, as
such don't consume nor pollute 1% as much as you.

~ BG

BradGuth

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On Feb 7, 6:50 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "bert" <herbertglazie...@msn.com> wrote in message

Transference and obfuscation are signs of a ZNR mind.

~ BG

Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian

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"Sekula" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"...bumwad" ?! That's the best you can do?

You're still sitting in your daddy's sack, shitbiscuit.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 1:38 pm, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Feb, 18:18, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 1:08 pm, "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > > > nore...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > > > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > > > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > > > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > > > > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> > > > > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> > > > > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > > > > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > > > > > god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > > > > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > > > > > progress throughout history.
>
> > > Absence of evidence isn't proof of Non-existence and *I*

> > > doubt ANY evidence would suffice for the Disbeliever who
> > > typically wants its' cake and eat it to.
>
> > Typically, you can't seem to provide ANY objective evidence, much less
> > even the minimum definition of objective evidence.  Since your side of
> > the argument has never done this, then how can you say with any
> > certainty that it would not be accepted?
>
> You're full of assumptions, Jimbo
>
>  What exactly do you mean by objective evidence?
>

A question typically asked by someone with no objective evidence. I
rest my case.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 3:15 pm, Gro...@JeffRelf.F-M.FM wrote:
> The better question is, “ What is ‘God’ ? ”, not “ Does ‘God’ exist ? ”.

You have to prove the latter before the former even becomes relevant.

Jimbo

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No, yours is an idiotic argument. I no more have to prove that a
magical sky-pixie doesn't exist than I have to prove that Santa Claus,
the Easter Bunny, or any other mythological or magical fable, myth, or
legend doesn't exist. You're making the extraordinary claim that
your invisible sky-daddy exists, you bear the full burden of proof.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 11:00 pm, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote in message
>
> news:7t3g86...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

Since it is not extraordinary given the absolute dirth of objective
evidence, the burden of proof is yours.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 11:01 pm, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hkhjum$j8k$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:4b6c434f$0$1784$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >>> So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> >>> god exists.  Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> >>> This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> >>> progress throughout history.
>
> >> It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist as much as it is for
> >> me to prove he DOES..how do you liek them apples boy??
>
> > What a moron. I just KNEW you were a god believer.
>
> > Prove to ME that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.
>
> Denial noted dipstick. Get back to mommy, boy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not the predictable, and lame, resorting to insult when they have no
valid arguments. How typical.

Jimbo

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On Feb 5, 11:11 pm, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:e1c11aaa-d2d0-423e...@w3g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 5, 11:12 am, "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > >> You DONT know if God exists, therefore in your miniscule mind, he
> > >> doesnt!! I on the other hand will leave that option OPEN to the
> > >> possibility he/she/it DOES.
>
> > > So the lack of ANY evidence leads you to conclude that
> > > god exists. Lovely, simply fucking lovely.
>
> > > This is exactly the type of superstition that has held back
> > > progress throughout history.
>
> > It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist
>
> LOL!  What a laugh.  Do we have to prove to you that Santa Claus, the
> Easter Bunny, or any of thousands of other creatures and entities of
> fable and legend don't exist as well?   You're making the
> extraordinary claim that a magical sky-daddy exists, the burden of
> proving he exists is squarely on your shoulders.
>
> NO such burden exists dog-breath.

Actually, it does. I bet that your parents insulted you daily to get
you to believe. Seems to have rubbed off on you.

Darwin123

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On Feb 6, 7:52 am, "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
> "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b6ce962$0$25779$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote in message
> >news:7t3g86...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> "*_//!!_//!!*" <harp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:fb6b003e-5c97-46d7...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On 5 Feb, 16:25, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <4b6c434f$0$1784$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> >>>> nore...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >>>> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> >news:hkh9lc$9fj$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>
> >>>> > > "Sekula" <nore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> > >news:4b6c2132$0$5420$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> .
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> >>>> > It is up to YOU to prove to ME that God DOESNT exist
> >>>> > as much as it is for me to prove he DOES..how do you
> >>>> > liek them apples boy??
>
> >>> It's a Fair argument/demand.
>
> >> No it isn't.
> >> HE is the one who is making an extraordinary claim.
> >> It is up to him to provide extraordinary evidence
>
> > I find the claim of NO GOD to be extraordinary..so put up or shut up.
> > Touche....
>
> So, you believe in Leprechauns, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Santa and
> the Tooth Fairy too?
> Some people make the extraordinary claim that they are real.
You totally misunderstood his argument.
The correct analogy would be to say, "I find that the claim of NO
LEPRECHAUNS, NO LOCH NESS MONSTER, and NO TOOTH THEORY to be
extraordinary."
And next time, remember to capitalize. A STATEMENT THAT IS
CAPITALIZED CAN NEVER BE WRONG!

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YES IT CAN!

Get outa that :-)

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