Does anybody remember "debunkers?" - a very LONG time ago!!
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
over, does anybody here remember the horrible nightmare of what was
referred to as "debunkers?" Yes - I know, that's a long, time
ago. Even on these groups there were official debunkers and useful
idiots. They had names like Twit, Echelon Spin-etti, Team Adams, and
others. We used to make fun of them which they did not like. But that
was so long ago, most of you probably didn't even know about it!
The fact is that I predicted that debunkers would land in the garbage
can of history, and I was proven correct. Although it was obvious
this would happen, many people predicted it.
In conclusion, I just want to say to the official spOOks that are long
gone: Menzel, No-Klass, Sagan, and those that are still walking (O-
Borg, Korfff, Seth Shithead and the like), nice try people, but you
falied miserably.
Sir Artiø
Sir Gilligan Horry
<sci...@zzz.com> wrote:
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You don't sound like the normal Sir Arthur.
You sound like the people that hacked our new website ...
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Someone changed all the file names.
And it must have been someone with good access to main frames search
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The Hermit
news:1175248538.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> Sir Artių
>
I remember, and sure as hell don't miss them.
Hagar
imagination in your hollow head. You may have run off the "Debunkers", but
you have nothing, zip, nada to prove your point, but hallucinations and
drug-induced visions of little green men probing your colon.
Get a life. Post just ONE picture of anything of positively extraterrestrial
origin, and I will listen. Short of than that, go back to your Star War
reruns and don't forget to take your meds.
They're coming to take you away, haha, they're coming to take you away.
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in message
news:1175248538.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Sir Artių
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
would be left would be the totally insane and ranting lunatics. I
guess the one that goes by the handle "Hagar" only cofirms this.
We must show pity and help those lost souls to a new and better
life®. Nice try, Hagar, but your side lost. Give up, for your sake.
Sir Artiø
> Sir Artiø
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
sums it up!! There still are a few burned-out debunkes left i.e.
Hagar, O-Borg, etc. We must encourage them to go to the nearest insane
asylum or Halliburton RE-education camps®. The sooner the better!
> > Sir Artiø
Hagar
rides throughout the Solar System, to where no Flapper has gone before ??
I bet they all speak perfect English, just like the Aliens in the movies.
Oh, I see, they communicate via thought waves; well that would leave you
out, since your receiver is empty. One shred of evidence of your lunatic
ravings is all I ask .... alas, nothing but yada yada yada from the
brainwashed LipFlapper and his run amok imagination. You really should be
hanging out at AUK with the rest of the weird duckies.
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in message
news:1175272404.9...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Art Deco
>So, LipFlapper, how often to you talk to THEM ?? Do they take you on fun
>rides throughout the Solar System, to where no Flapper has gone before ??
>I bet they all speak perfect English, just like the Aliens in the movies.
>Oh, I see, they communicate via thought waves; well that would leave you
>out, since your receiver is empty. One shred of evidence of your lunatic
>ravings is all I ask .... alas, nothing but yada yada yada from the
>brainwashed LipFlapper and his run amok imagination. You really should be
>hanging out at AUK with the rest of the weird duckies.
Top-posted cluelessness noted, foamer.
>
>"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in message
>news:1175272404.9...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>As far as debunkers go - good riddance to bad rubbish - pretty well
>sums it up!! There still are a few burned-out debunkes left i.e.
>Hagar, O-Borg, etc. We must encourage them to go to the nearest insane
>asylum or Halliburton RE-education camps®. The sooner the better!
>
>The Hermit wrote:
>> "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
>> news:1175248538.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Hey Folks! Now that the UFO and extraterrestrial cover-up is long
>> > over, does anybody here remember the horrible nightmare of what was
>> > referred to as "debunkers?" Yes - I know, that's a long, time
>> > ago. Even on these groups there were official debunkers and useful
>> > idiots. They had names like Twit, Echelon Spin-etti, Team Adams, and
>> > others. We used to make fun of them which they did not like. But that
>> > was so long ago, most of you probably didn't even know about it!
>> >
>> > The fact is that I predicted that debunkers would land in the garbage
>> > can of history, and I was proven correct. Although it was obvious
>> > this would happen, many people predicted it.
>> >
>> > In conclusion, I just want to say to the official spOOks that are long
>> > gone: Menzel, No-Klass, Sagan, and those that are still walking (O-
>> > Borg, Korfff, Seth Shithead and the like), nice try people, but you
>> > falied miserably.
>> >
>> > Sir Artių
>> >
>>
>> I remember, and sure as hell don't miss them.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.writingup.com/blog/jim_the_hermit
>
>
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"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
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Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote in
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george
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> As I so eloquently predicted, when the UFO cover-up ended, all that
> would be left would be the totally insane and ranting lunatics.
I do feel sorry for those who spent so many years looking at anomolies
and claiming them not only to be an unidentified flying object but
also the vehicles of interstellar travelling aliens who's prime
purpose in life was to ream out cattle anuses and scare trailer folk.
As you said the UFO coverup has ended thanks to common sense of
anything anomolous.
Nomen Nescio
with these Debunkers. I was there and encountered them also.
See the following for good news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/
wl_afp/sciencespaceufo_070322143210
Hagar
"The Hermit" <oldwe...@mountaintop.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9903A60D0A3...@66.250.146.183...
> Maybe Hagar hasn't heard?
To the contrary, how could anyone miss the much ballyhooed headlines.
However, physical evidence - Zero
A closeup photo, clear and in focus, of either an Alien or a UFO - Zero.
These people are no better than all the folks who staunchly believe in god,
even though none have ever seen him up close and personal.
All I am asking is to see is something tangible, like a UFO muffler or a
hubcap, or perhaps an Alien ballpoint pen, or an instruction manual. How
about a photograph of an human shaking hands with a whatever kind of Alien
... not even ONE !!!
Sure, lots of washed out, out of focus photos, which, with the help of a
fertile imagination could be construed to be of extrterrestrial origin.
Lots of "reliable" people say they saw blah blah blah. Every preacher will
tell you that he has a personal line to the almighty and the pope swars he
talks with him every night. So much for reliable and trustworthy folks.
Evidence, not hearsay and innuendo.
The Hermit
news:GqmdneVQ-IBaL5Db...@giganews.com:
>
> "The Hermit" <oldwe...@mountaintop.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9903A60D0A3...@66.250.146.183...
>> Maybe Hagar hasn't heard?
>
>
> To the contrary, how could anyone miss the much ballyhooed headlines.
> However, physical evidence - Zero
> A closeup photo, clear and in focus, of either an Alien or a UFO -
> Zero. These people are no better than all the folks who staunchly
> believe in god, even though none have ever seen him up close and
> personal. All I am asking is to see is something tangible, like a UFO
> muffler or a hubcap, or perhaps an Alien ballpoint pen, or an
> instruction manual. How about a photograph of an human shaking hands
> with a whatever kind of Alien ... not even ONE !!!
> Sure, lots of washed out, out of focus photos, which, with the help of
> a fertile imagination could be construed to be of extrterrestrial
> origin. Lots of "reliable" people say they saw blah blah blah. Every
> preacher will tell you that he has a personal line to the almighty and
> the pope swars he talks with him every night. So much for reliable
> and trustworthy folks. Evidence, not hearsay and innuendo.
But we do have those things. You simply can't believe they're true.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/ts_afp/sciencespaceufo_0703221432
>> 10
Hagar
Post a link to a real UFO, up close and in focus.
Post a link to an Alien, any type, up close and in focus.
Post a link to anything which is, beyond any doubt, of alien origin.
You can't do it, you lunatic, can you, so you're just going to spew forth
some more of your insane word salads.
And, for your edification:
I do believe that life in the Universe is the rule rather than the
exception.
I do believe that intelligent life exists throughout our galaxy and the
Universe.
I do believe that all we see out there came about without the help of any
god(s).
I just don't have any proof of it, just like you don't.
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in message
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Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
proof regarding ET visitors, and you simply ARE not. So all your
huffing and puffing amounts to zero, in fact, less than zero.
I am sorry that you are out of the loop (and apparently very loopy!),
but that is the way it is.
Maybe in the future your team will be brought up to speed, but don't
hold your breath. There are a certain group of humans, which you are
included, that must never be SHOWN the facts, or else you would simply
crack up.
Now find something useful to do with the time you have, like perhaps
jumping rope!
It is so sad to see the last few debunkers holding on to their
deceptions. Very sad :<
Hagar
old inane word salad babblings from a deranged mind.
Now go play with your toy UFO on a string.
Say HI to the alienz for me, fruitcake.
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H. Bosch
H. Bosch
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Larry Huntley
aging SM57 and announced in news:TlRPh.36$xB7...@newsfe12.lga:
> Your old boss,--Cap. Harry
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> Room 12, Hanger 18, Area 52,USAF, Nevada, USA,
> Planet Earth,Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy,
> More or less on the outer fringe of the Universe.
Harry - what ever happened to the 5-pound spaceship?
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Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
<sci...@zzz.com>:
>HAGAR, Okay, one more time. I am qualified to see and understand the
>proof regarding ET visitors, and you simply ARE not.
Well, Hagar *does* seem to be rational, so I guess you're
correct.
HANL
<snip>
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Hagar wrote:
> Just as I predicted, no substance from the LipFlapper, just more of the same
> old inane word salad babblings from a deranged mind.
It is almost humorous to see the last vestiges of the debunkers. I do
not wish them ill at all, they have suffered enough. Apparently even
kindly ol' NSA spOOk Hairy Borsch-Belt made a reappearance.
Obviously there is still a "mop-up" job to do to round up the
remaining few crack-pot debunkers who will never face reality. We
must segregate these "truth-terror-threats" from the greater society.
Of course it would be easier for everybody if they would just turn
themselves in!
Now that the Grey-Reptoid-Human treaty has been finalized, there is
much work to do and much to look forward to such as anti-gravitic
transports, inter-dimensional travel, free-energy devices, and so much
more.
Although part of the treaty is to ELIMINATE the remaining debunkers, I
am trying to protect them from their ultimate fate. Even now they
will not give up in their silly arguments: ball lightning, hedge hogs,
time-compressed crash-test dummies and the like. It is funny that I,
Sir Wholeflaffer, is trying to protect the debunkers. What a ironic
twist of fate. We need to sequester them at the brand new Dean Adams
"Abu Grade A" re-education camps.
This is why I am asking ALL debunkers to turn over a list of all
debunkers, friends of debunkers, debunker sympathizers, debunker
enablers, and friends of debunker supporters, sympathizer enablers.
Trust us, we will take very good care of them and re-model them to fit
the current paradigm.
Over and out!
sir ArtiØ
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
<sci...@zzz.com>:
>Hagar wrote:
>> Just as I predicted, no substance from the LipFlapper, just more of the same
>> old inane word salad babblings from a deranged mind.
...and he doesn't even offer croutons...
>It is almost humorous to see the last vestiges of the debunkers.
Why does this sound exactly like a fundie proclaiming "The
Theory of Evilushion is on its last legs"?
<BabbleSnip>
The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
foamed wildly:
> "The Hermit" wrote...
>> Maybe Hagar hasn't heard?
>
>
> To the contrary, how could anyone miss the much ballyhooed headlines.
> However, physical evidence - Zero
> A closeup photo, clear and in focus, of either an Alien or a UFO - Zero.
> These people are no better than all the folks who staunchly believe in
> god, even though none have ever seen him up close and personal. All I am
> asking is to see is something tangible, like a UFO muffler or a hubcap, or
> perhaps an Alien ballpoint pen, or an instruction manual. How about a
> photograph of an human shaking hands with a whatever kind of Alien ... not
> even ONE !!!
> Sure, lots of washed out, out of focus photos, which, with the help of a
> fertile imagination could be construed to be of extrterrestrial origin.
> Lots of "reliable" people say they saw blah blah blah. Every preacher will
> tell you that he has a personal line to the almighty and the pope swars he
> talks with him every night. So much for reliable and trustworthy folks.
> Evidence, not hearsay and innuendo.
Say, what does Batty Jacky think of that?
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/ts_afp/sciencespaceufo_070322143210
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe2d2QnoAZo
>>
>> And don't forget to vote!:
>> http://www.goodworksonearth.org/do_you_wish_that_we_show_up.html
>>
>> Art Deco wrote:
>>> Hagar wrote:
>>>
>>>>So, LipFlapper, how often to you talk to THEM ?? Do they take you on
>>>>fun rides throughout the Solar System, to where no Flapper has gone
>>>>before ?? I bet they all speak perfect English, just like the Aliens in
>>>>the movies. Oh, I see, they communicate via thought waves; well that
>>>>would leave you out, since your receiver is empty. One shred of
>>>>evidence of your lunatic ravings is all I ask .... alas, nothing but
>>>>yada yada yada from the brainwashed LipFlapper and his run amok
>>>>imagination. You really should be hanging out at AUK with the rest of
>>>>the weird duckies.
>>>
>>> Top-posted cluelessness noted, foamer.
>>>
>>>>"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" wrote...
>>>>As far as debunkers go - good riddance to bad rubbish - pretty well
>>>>sums it up!! There still are a few burned-out debunkes left i.e.
>>>>Hagar, O-Borg, etc. We must encourage them to go to the nearest insane
>>>>asylum or Halliburton RE-education camps®. The sooner the better!
>>>>
>>>>The Hermit wrote:
>>>>> "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hey Folks! Now that the UFO and extraterrestrial cover-up is long
>>>>> > over, does anybody here remember the horrible nightmare of what
>>>>> > was referred to as "debunkers?" Yes - I know, that's a long,
>>>>> > time ago. Even on these groups there were official debunkers and
>>>>> > useful idiots. They had names like Twit, Echelon Spin-etti, Team
>>>>> > Adams, and others. We used to make fun of them which they did not
>>>>> > like. But that was so long ago, most of you probably didn't even
>>>>> > know about it!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The fact is that I predicted that debunkers would land in the
>>>>> > garbage can of history, and I was proven correct. Although it was
>>>>> > obvious this would happen, many people predicted it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In conclusion, I just want to say to the official spOOks that are
>>>>> > long gone: Menzel, No-Klass, Sagan, and those that are still
>>>>> > walking (O- Borg, Korfff, Seth Shithead and the like), nice try
>>>>> > people, but you falied miserably.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sir Artių
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember, and sure as hell don't miss them.
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2007 22:20:40 -0700, the following appeared in
> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
> <sci...@zzz.com>:
Test Dummies theory, perhaps because both Dave and Doug are dead and
crop pictographs are still being discovered world wide.
Please debunkers, turn yourselves in to the proper authorities. This
is for your own safety!
Sir Artiø
Bob Casanova
[Idiotic top posting corrected...]
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 1 Apr 2007 22:20:40 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>> >Hagar wrote:
>> >> Just as I predicted, no substance from the LipFlapper, just more of the same
>> >> old inane word salad babblings from a deranged mind.
>> ...and he doesn't even offer croutons...
>> >It is almost humorous to see the last vestiges of the debunkers.
>> Why does this sound exactly like a fundie proclaiming "The
>> Theory of Evilushion is on its last legs"?
>>
>> <BabbleSnip>
>Why does Casanova and Hagar keep pushing the Time Compressed Crash
>Test Dummies theory, perhaps because both Dave and Doug are dead and
>crop pictographs are still being discovered world wide.
>
>Please debunkers, turn yourselves in to the proper authorities. This
>is for your own safety!
You'd be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. Geez, the
things a supposed adult will do to get attention...
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
go play with your time-compressed crash-test dummy,
and leave us real researchers alone.
Yes, there still is a minor mop-up job to do to rid
This Planet Earth of debunkers, truth-terrorists
and other useful idiots. It should be done very very quickly.
I didn't realize there were still a very few hand-full of
debunkers left here, but I did an excellent job of'
flushing them out. I will notify the proper group
of this, I believe it is the National Insecurity Agency,
is it not?
H. Bosch
news:1175850546.1...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> To the debunker/spOOk known as "Casanova" -- please
> go play with your time-compressed crash-test dummy,
> and leave us real researchers alone.
>
> Yes, there still is a minor mop-up job to do to rid
> This Planet Earth of debunkers, truth-terrorists
> and other useful idiots. It should be done very very
> quickly.
>
> I didn't realize there were still a very few
> hand-full of
> debunkers left here, but I did an excellent job of'
> flushing them out. I will notify the proper group
> of this, I believe it is the National Insecurity
> Agency,
> is it not?
Howdy Holeflapper,
Nothing like patting yourself on the back is there?
I'll bet you actually believe that you ran off the
"debunkers". Most of the debunkers have left because
of the inane idiocy of you "believers". This NG was
interesting at one time because the "believers"
actually believed the lame, so called "proof" that they
spouted. Lots of fun getting them all spitting mad and
seeing them make damn fools of themselves. But now
even they have left due to the shame they have brought
on themselves.
Yes Holeflapper, we know that you are an inmate of The
Salem Asylum in Eugene, Oregon but you should try and
keep taking your meds as they will help you get rid of
this insane idea that you have accomplished something
by running off the "debunkers".
It is quite obvious that you are quite mad just by
reading your posts over the past 10 years or so.
Please take your meds and become a useful citizen
again.
Your old boss at CIA,
--
Cap. Harry
King Of The Usenet Spooks
CEO of:
Oregon Home Spaceship High Invisibility Technology
Room 12, Hanger 18, Area 52,
USAF, Nevada, USA, Planet Earth,
Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy,
Bob Casanova
>...leave us real researchers alone.
You wouldn't know real research if it bit you in the ass.
Here's a hint: *Real* research involves examining data, not
asserting preconceived notions and twisting or ignoring
inconvenient facts.
HTH. HANL.
No, on second thought, continue the sort of life you already
have: insecure, irritating and bombastic. And keep your
persecution complex and delusions of adequacy; they're *so*
cute in a supposed adult.
Toodle-ooo...
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>You wouldn't know real research if it bit you in the ass.
Is there any moron left on Earth which still believes 9-11 wasn't an inside
job?
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Of course this PROVES that the official "State-Corporate" debunkers
are shaking in their boots now that the official ET/UFO cover-up HAS
ended. Why would they bother dragging out this ol' NSA talking-head?
That is rather sad :< Of course Borsch just follows his orders
from his handlers. It is still rather pathetic to see how far down
the debunkers side has fallen.
What We Know About UFOs, and Whether It Matters by Richard Dolan
"It takes two to speak the truth-one to speak, and another to hear." -
Henry David Thoreau
Truth in society is really a three-stage process. You learn it, you
tell it, you act on it. None of those steps are easy, and there are no
guarantees that one stage will lead to the next. One may know that
something is true-for instance, the reality of UFOs-but so what? At
the societal level, knowledge often fails to translate into action.
Frequently, it can't even get an official acknowledgment.
Pick a topic. Narcotics trafficking? Many detailed studies have linked
narco traffickers to the global intelligence community. The JFK
assassination? Eighty percent of Americans, supported by a mountain of
well-researched evidence, believe there was a conspiracy to kill the
President. The environment? Most scientists now agree that our
civilization, within a mere century, has caused a rate of species
extinction that rivals some of the most vicious in our Earth's
history. And, oh yes, we appear to be heating ourselves into the
stratosphere, too.
The result from such societal knowledge? Nothing much. Banks and
spooks continue to launder drug money, official quarters explain away
the public's so-called "need" to believe in an assassination
conspiracy, and people continue to turn the natural world into a toxic
suburban development. Knowledge doesn't always equal power.
Such is the case regarding UFOs. There is an overabundance of data
indicating that real objects with extraordinary capabilities have been
the cause of serious concern by the "national security state" for over
50 years. Many people, perhaps a majority, believe the phenomenon is
real and unexplained by conventional means. Yet officially, UFOs don't
exist. They continue to be ignored publicly by the world of science.
The discrepancy between reality and official acknowledgment is great,
even when compared with other areas of subterranean history. The
phenomenon is real: why is no one in official (or public) quarters
inquiring about it?
Asking The Wrong Questions
After all, even if one argues that the good UFO cases are the result
of classified technology--which is the basic media response--we still
have some important questions. Consider the triangles that are so
often reported in North America and Europe. These objects are commonly
described as immense and low flying, capable of motionlessness,
instant acceleration in any direction, and no-radius turns. And they
do all this silently. No one is arguing seriously that these things
are hoaxes or misidentification of natural phenomenon-both absurd in
the face of an enormous body of witness testimony. So, just what does
that?
The object seen in Illinois on January 5, 2000 is a good example. At
least four police officers and three civilians in several nearby towns
described with near uniformity a classic triangular UFO-enormous,
silent, two stories high, and at low altitude, perhaps as low as 500
feet. The witnesses were credible; there was even a Poloroid
snapshot.
Unable to dismiss the event, the media, predictably, blew it. Here was
a golden opportunity to ask important questions, such as what kind of
science can make those triangles do what they do. Instead, the media
expended its energy disproving that aliens were behind it. "Probably
military," is all the public learned, and that was that. Is it at
least possible that there are staggering energy implications? Yes, I
think so. No one bothered to ask.
But, of course, we know how the media works. Just as in the world of
science, gone are the days of independent investigation. Journalists
are no better qualified than scientists to speak intelligently about
the UFO topic, largely because there is no institutional authority
granting them the permission (i.e., paying them) to investigate. It's
tough to be a lone gunman.
There have been a few sophisticated analyses of the event, such as the
one done by the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). Its
carefully worded conclusion referred to NASA scientist Paul Hill's
monumental work on UFOs and stated that the craft's movements "can
best be explained by the application of localized, directed
acceleration fields, which serve to both propel the craft and modify
the airstream surrounding it in order to eliminate aerodynamic
friction. Such acceleration fields are just a manifestation of space-
time metric engineering." In case you're wondering, NIDS did not imply
that this was a current, classified (i.e., terrestrial) project.
Within mainstream culture, however, the most accredited theory for the
triangles seems to be the so called stealth blimp. Along these lines,
one writer stated blithely that "even big-time UFO buffs have to admit
that it's possible the [Illinois] mystery craft was a top-secret, man-
made experiment." Others have suggested the object might be powered by
microwave energy from a satellite. This would, in theory, allow for
such apparent impossibilities as instant acceleration. Such technology
would demand absolutely leading-edge technology. Although no one knows
for sure that there even is such a thing as a stealth blimp, let us
acknowledge that it's possible.
What no one seems to be asking, however, is whether it was also
possible 20 years ago, when similar objects were described many times
over New York's Hudson Valley. The stealth blimp explanation becomes
more problematic the further back in time we go. We can push this line
of questioning back 30, 40, and 50 years. The triangles were less
common back then, but people reported disk-shaped objects doing the
same things. Did our military secretly possess this type of technology
back in, say, 1950?
An objective review of the available evidence leads us to a resounding
"no." There is no evidence, not in the historical record, nor in any
analysis of past or present technologies, to suggest a breakthrough in
"flying saucer" technology back in the 1950s or earlier.
Skeptics continue to argue there is no proof that UFOs are of alien
origin. This is a correct answer to the wrong question. What we do
have is excellent evidence that the UFO phenomenon did not originate
with our military. Let's deal with that.
What We Know
For more than 50 years, unknown objects have violated the airspace of
sensitive American installations. The capabilities of these objects
have astonished our best pilots and intelligence officers. Regarding
one UFO incident, a classified CIA memo from 1949 stated: "Information
is desired if this was some new or experimental aircraft or for any
explanation whatsoever." In 1951, the Air Force reported an object
that was "flat on top and bottom and appearing from front view to have
round edges and slightly beveled . . . described as traveling at
tremendous speed." A scientist who saw one in 1952 said it had "some
propulsion system not in the physics books." An F-94 pilot, who
encountered one in 1952, said, "the power and acceleration were
beyond the capability of any known aircraft."
To a reasonable extent, we know how the American military responded to
all this. There is no shortage of documents that describe the
seriousness of UFOs. A 1949 FBI memo, for instance, stated: "Army
intelligence has recently said that the matter of 'Unidentified
Aircraft' or 'Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,' otherwise known as
'Flying Discs,' 'Flying Saucers,' and 'Balls of Fire,' is considered
top secret by intelligence officers of both the Army and the Air
Forces."'
Gee, no kidding.
UFOs mattered to our military brass and intelligence officials.
Americans who studied them typically believed them to be
technological. As early as the 1940s, the situation became further
complicated by American investigations that indicated this technology
was probably neither domestic nor Soviet. Read that last sentence
again, slowly. Even after the classified Robertson Panel debunked
UFOs in 1953 (largely, as I have argued elsewhere, to defuse this
topic for the incoming Eisenhower administration), UFOs remained
important and shrouded in secrecy.
Nasty events continued to happen, such as the violation of air space
at Maxwell AFB in 1954, when, according to an "Emergency Report" from
that base, a "saucer-like" object hovered stationary at 2,000 feet.
Comparable events happened during the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.
None of this tells us what UFOs are, although I suspect most people
can do the math. The matter was, after all, top secret, and sweeping
conclusions on such a topic don't easily make it to public view,
despite the Freedom of Information Act.
But we know that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was discussed (and
believed) by many within the classified world. Beyond that, we can
make a pretty good guess that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was
believed and acted upon from the 1940s onward. At the very least, I
would argue that the actions taken by the U.S. national security
apparatus fit better with this thesis than any other.
One might also recall the 1960 public statement of former CIA Director
Roscoe Hillenkoetter: "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force
officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official
secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown
flying objects are nonsense."
Strong words from a former DCI. Yet, after 40 years, the academic
community has yet to comment on it. Not a single scholarly book or
monograph on Hillenkoetter has ever mentioned it.
What We've Done
Okay, so you and I can know all of these things about the phenomenon
of UFOs. Assuming that we should even act on this knowledge, the
question becomes, how can we act effectively? How can we, in other
words, educate the public, foster open discussion, obtain official
acknowledgment, receive verified factual information about the
situation, and get a sense of what would then be the best thing to do?
There is scarcely any credible institutional structure within which to
study this problem and, what's more, bring the results to the wider
public. The universities would be the obvious choice, but have been a
circle of ignorance for over 50 years. Professors, who know nothing of
the topic, will not sanction dissertation study by graduate students,
who then become the next generation of ignorant professionals. Part of
this stems from the paranoia of academic life; part of it is simply an
issue of funding. Until money flows for the public study of this
topic, you can rule out universities as a viable engine for change.
As an aside, you might want to reflect on an apparent disparity. First
consider that the wellspring for so much university research in this
country is our military (either directly with federal money or through
corporations and foundations associated with the defense industry).
Then think about the importance of the UFO phenomenon to national
security. If this issue were so important, one might conceivably ask,
then why isn't it being funded?
The answer is that it is not being publicly funded. We know UFOs are a
classified subject. It is reasonable to assume that funding for
research into UFOs would also be a classified matter.
Essentially, mainstream culture offers little in the way of enabling
people to organize and study this problem. Beyond the mainstream lies
the fringe, although not all fringes are created equal. Let's look at
the larger UFO organizations, such as MUFON, CUFOS, and the rest. This
is something I will describe at greater length in the second volume of
"UFOs and the National Security State." For now, I will express my
feeling that these organizations-successors, in a way to NICAP and
APRO--have not matched either of the older organizations in moving
this topic forward and presenting it clearly to the public. In
practice, they act more as vacuum cleaners: a great deal of data goes
in, but very little trickles out, except in journals that no one
reads. The journals of CUFOS and MUFON are not even in most libraries;
none in my state of New York. Nor have these larger organizations
engaged in any extended efforts to end UFO secrecy.
It is fair to look upon the two above-named groups (and a few related
organizations) as encompassing most of what we might call professional
ufology, academic ufology, or simply the Old Guard. Perceptive readers
will know who the main players are. Over the years, they have stopped
at the first rung of Truth's Ladder; that is, knowing the facts, but
not seeking to persuade or effect change. They are academic in their
approach to the problem, with prose to match, unable or unwilling to
draw inferences from their data, conducting specialized research, and
publishing monographs for the small community of UFO researchers.
Conclusions about the nature of UFOs?
You'll be hard-pressed to find them. Ideas on the cover-up of
information? Ditto. Even when the research is excellent, such as in
the aforementioned work by NIDS, the conclusions are hardly evident,
except to the most dedicated and patient of readers. It's taken
professional ufology a long time to get nowhere. Still looking to
effect change, we now move to the fringe of the fringe. Dr. Steven
Greer, for instance. I am fascinated by how the Old Guard of ufology
uniformly has savaged him. It would be blindness itself not to see
faults with Greer and his approach. Anyone who wants to save the world
is going to irritate people, and by all accounts Greer has an ego to
match, as well as a history of alienating the people close to him. But
consider the press conference Greer organized in the spring of 2001:
this was a major event given before a packed house at the National
Press Club. The speakers Greer brought in to discuss UFO secrecy were
impressive and credible, and the event was more proactive than
anything undertaken by Greer's detractors.
Media coverage, however, was abysmal. Nearly a year later, nothing
really has come from the event. I am even told there is no trace of it
in the Press Club archives, though I have not confirmed this for
myself. Thus, despite his real and alleged faults, Greer's biggest
problem is the national security state itself. It will always be true
that, when it comes to winning and losing, money and resources matter
more than personalities.
There are other venues for getting the truth out. UFO Magazine does as
good a job as anyone at trying to raise awareness of this issue and to
educate the public, but the sum total of such efforts cannot match the
magnitude of what we are dealing with. What we have is an utterly
fragmented movement, where "the center cannot hold."
Does Knowledge Matter?
More than 50 years have passed, and we are no closer to ending UFO
secrecy. In fact, we are probably farther away than we were during the
summer crisis of 1952, or the peak of UFO activity in the mid-1960s.
This, despite the fact that we know much more than researchers of
prior generations. After all, we have a wealth of material released by
the Freedom of Information Act, something unavailable before the
mid-1970s.
What has changed, however, is public awareness of UFOs. Although it is
still impossible for most public figures to express their belief in
UFOs, it is clear that many people do. Although I'm not really old
enough to discern this from personal experience (still on the shy side
of 40), it seems clear to me that among younger people in particular
there is a receptiveness to the reality of UFO/ET phenomena in our
world. Attribute it to "The X-Files," if you like, but there has been
a slow and steady shift at the foundations of our culture.
A century and a half ago, Karl Marx made the then-radical argument
that a society's political system reflects and rests upon economic
power and relationships. As the economic foundation evolves, at some
point the cumulative changes will be so great as to cause
irreconcilable problems with the political "super structure," forcing
changes in the political system. If we despair of the quick fix of
ending UFO secrecy today, we might want to remember that insight. The
foundations of our culture have gone through tremendous change since
the days of the early Cold War, and this includes perceptions about
UFOs. At some point in the future, the dissonance between culture and
power will be too great, and the political structure will have to
give. For this reason, knowledge about the reality of UFOs does
matter.
Given enough time, the change in official policy will eventually
occur. The problem is that we do not live in normal times. Given the
rapid growth in human population, the proliferation of dangerous
weaponry, coupled with the alarming stress and depletion of natural
resources like water, arable land, and (soon) petroleum, nothing is
assured, not even the survival of our global infrastructure.
But all we can do is our best. If we can make it past our current
problem, our knowledge of the ET presence will indeed translate one
day into official acknowledgment. Mass culture will continue to
change, and will eventually force the issue. The how or when, of
course, is anybody's guess.
Looming behind the preceding discussion is the most difficult of all
questions: the nature of the UFO phenomenon and alien presence itself,
what alien intentions might be, and what all this means for our
civilization. In my book, and in the articles I've written for this
magazine, I have studiously avoided dealing with those questions in
any detail. In my opinion, that domain is filled with too many so-
called experts who do little more than blow their own version of hot
air. Instead, I've tried to stay close to the verifiable facts.
But if you know the facts, at some point it becomes a responsibility
to make as much sense out of them as you can. This doesn't mean
engaging in wild speculation, but it does mean being willing to
speculate reasonably on the basis of known facts. That will be the
subject of my next article.
~ Copyright 2002, all rights reserved.
Richard M. Dolan is author of UFOs and the National Security State.
Visit his web page at http://keyholepublishing.com. UFO
>From the April-May 2002 edition of UFO Magazine
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
hogs, time-compressed crash-test dummies, temperature inversions and
stealth blimps! And this baffoon really thinks that constitutes
research! How utterly sad to see far down the debunkers have fallen.
This is why nobody remembers them. They are beyond pathetic; they are
wretched and pitiful!!
Yes, it was a long time ago that debunkers had their "hay-days" almost
50 years ago now, and most people weren't even around then!! Now they
are nothing but a laughing-stock. Perhaps they will have fun playing
with their crash-test dummies, and hedge hogs!!!
Bob Casanova
<snip unsupported assertions>
Strange; there doesn't seem to be anything left...
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 6 Apr 2007 02:09:06 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>>
>> >...leave us real researchers alone.
>>
>> You wouldn't know real research if it bit you in the ass.
>> Here's a hint: *Real* research involves examining data, not
>> asserting preconceived notions and twisting or ignoring
>> inconvenient facts.
>>
>> HTH. HANL.
>>
>> No, on second thought, continue the sort of life you already
>> have: insecure, irritating and bombastic. And keep your
>> persecution complex and delusions of adequacy; they're *so*
>> cute in a supposed adult.
>>
>> Toodle-ooo...
The above is worth reiterating.
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
worry, you still have your time-compressed crash-test dummy How's
that working for you?
Sir ArthuR
Bob Casanova
[Idiotic top-posting corrected again; why not learn from the
correction of your mistakes? Oh, yeah; I forgot. Never
mind...]
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 7 Apr 2007 06:29:55 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>> <snip unsupported assertions>
>>
>> Strange; there doesn't seem to be anything left...
Still nothing left but smoke and mirrors; i.e., nothing of
substance.
>> >Bob Casanova wrote:
>> >> On 6 Apr 2007 02:09:06 -0700, the following appeared in
>> >> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> >> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>> >> >...leave us real researchers alone.
>> >> You wouldn't know real research if it bit you in the ass.
>> >> Here's a hint: *Real* research involves examining data, not
>> >> asserting preconceived notions and twisting or ignoring
>> >> inconvenient facts.
<snip>
>You seem to be snorting a bit too much swamp gas these days! Not to
>worry, you still have your time-compressed crash-test dummy How's
>that working for you?
Are you under the mistaken impression that you make any sort
of sense, rather than (as is obvious to anyone reading your
posts) performing the written equivalent of drug-induced
free-association? And are you under the mistaken impression
that you have any sort of actual evidence to support your
assertions, rather than the delusions induced by delirium
tremens in an obviously paranoid conspiracy theorist (that's
you, since you probably wouldn't understand if not led by
the hand)?
If so, you're wrong. As usual.
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Debunkers. YES - our operative infiltrated your sub-groups! Don't
worry, we will not expose anything about it, but yes, certain aero-
space firms have been back-engineering other-wordly craft for many
decades and there has been side-agreements with certain off-world
factions. Although that much is easy to prove even without your silly
handbook!!
But why your side keeps pusing stealth blimps, which looks like cheeze-
burger eating J. O-BORG, and time-compressed crash-test dummies is
curious.
Now go do something useful Bob, like debunking the Big-Bang theory, we
need more people like you in that camp. Thanks in advance,
SIR Artiø
ufo...@gmail.com
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> As I so eloquently predicted, when the UFO cover-up ended, all that
> would be left would be the totally insane and ranting lunatics. I
> guess the one that goes by the handle "Hagar" only cofirms this.
>
(cut)
Honestly, where did you read the cover up has ended (if there was ever
one)? I'd speak more of disinformation (see F. Parmentier, OVNI : 60
ans de désinformation, 2004). Last but not least: the UFOs field is
full of losers, lunatics and all sort of weird commercial people, but
there is more than that. Have a look at the research performed in
France by GEPAN/SEPRA. Keep on digging!
mbg
Dorian Gray
> On Mar 30, 6:30 pm, "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
> <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
>
> > As I so eloquently predicted, when the UFO cover-up ended,
<snip>
> Honestly, where did you read the cover up has ended (if there was ever
> one)? <snip>
That -was- an interesting statement. Is it supposed to be ending
slowly, I wonder? :-?
Bob Casanova
>You probably forgot but I obtained the handbook for UUFOD - United UFO
>Debunkers.
<snip paranoia>
I see; you're simply delusional. OK, no problem for me as
long as you're not allowed out without a keeper.
HANL.
<snip>
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
know, I know, how much lower can the debunkers get after stealth
blimps, time-compressed crash-test dummies, and hedgehogs. For every
100 UFO sightings, the debunkers can come with 101 excuses. No wonder
their credibility is now ranked around 3%
of the general public. I almost feel sad that they have almost no
credibility left, but facts are facts!!!
And really, who are the debunkers? Bed-wetters, insane asylum
patients, pathological liars and electric shock therapy victims. Do
we really need to make more fun of them? No, let the debunkers live
out their days in peace and quiet. Now that the official UFO cover-up
has ended we need to show them compassion, caring and the way to the
Halliburton re-education camps. They may find sanctuary there and a
brain-transplant.
Good luck debunkers, we will notify you when your transfer is ready!
Sir Artio
Bob Casanova
...nothing new, rational or of interest to adults.
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 9 Apr 2007 23:32:34 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>>
>> >You probably forgot but I obtained the handbook for UUFOD - United UFO
>> >Debunkers.
>>
>> <snip paranoia>
>>
>> I see; you're simply delusional. OK, no problem for me as
>> long as you're not allowed out without a keeper.
>>
>> HANL.
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Bob Casanova wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2007 05:30:20 -0700, the following appeared in
> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>
> ...nothing new, rational or of interest to adults.
Sad, now Casanova ADMITS he is a child! Please kid, find something
else to play with, Borsch has, and he is happier.
Folks, I did say there is a minor mop-up job to do with the very few
remaining debunkers.
There may be one or two others we have overlooked, but don't worry, we
are after those truth-terrorists.
1. Debunkery: General Principles:
- Portray science not as a universally beneficial process
of discovery but as a holy war against the infidels of
pseudoscience. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may
fudge, stretch or violate scientific method, or even omit it
entirely, in the name of defending scientific method.
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- Choose the turf. Remember that all else being equal,
whoever gets to choose the battleground usually wins the
battle. For the defender of the status quo the most sympathetic
arena in which to debunk just about anything is the popular
media, since they tend to offer little or no opportunity for
intelligent analysis or reasoned debate. As an added bonus, TV
studio audiences may generally be counted on to support the
conventional view of things, or to be easily swayed in that
direction. As presently constituted, the media assume that the
public has a short attention span, faulty memory, little
patience for details and blind faith in authority, and that it
can not be trusted with the truth. This is ideal soil for the
seeds of debunkery.
- Put on the right face. Cultivate a patronizing, Wm. F.
Buckley-ish air that suggests that your personal opinions are
backed by the full faith and credit of God.
- Worm your way into the hearts and minds of the people.
Take emotional control of your audience by cracking a few jokes
about Elvis, little men from Mars and so forth. Once you have
accomplished this they will predictably respond with snickers,
giggles and knowing glances if you do no more than report the
facts straight.
- Avoid the evidence. The more abstract and theoretical
you keep your arguments, the less easily people will notice
that you haven't examined the actual evidence. Not examining
the evidence allows you to say with impunity, "I have seen
absolutely no evidence to support such a claim." If examining
the evidence becomes unavoidable, report back that "there is
nothing new here." If confronted by a watertight body of
evidence that has survived the most rigorous tests' simply
dismiss it as being "too pat!"
- Call the kettle black. While maintaining absolute faith
in the ability of the current scientific paradigm to explain
everything, accuse your opponents of being "true believers."
State categorically that the unconventional arises exclusively
from the "will to believe" and may be dismissed as, at best, an
honest misinterpretation of the conventional. In this way you
can camouflage your evangelical hellfire and brimstone under a
facade of cool impartiality.
- Convince your audience of your sincerity by reassuring
them that you yourself would "love to believe" in these
fantastic phenomena. Carefully sidestep the fact that science
is not about believing, but about finding out.
- Imply that your opponents are zealots. Suggest that in
order to investigate the existence of something one must first
believe in it absolutely.
- Similarly, always act as if your opponents have intended
the extreme of any position they've taken. Repeated often
enough, this procedure may literally drive them bananas.
- Practice debunkery-by-association. Lump together all
phenomena popularly deemed paranormal and suggest that their
proponents and researchers speak with a single voice. In this
way you can indiscriminately drag material across disciplinary
lines or from one case to another to support your views as
needed.
- Deliberately confuse the process of science with the
content of science. Do this by implying that a scientist's
procedural integrity somehow hinges on his or her choice of
subject matter. In other words, reinforce the popular notion
that certain subjects are inherently unscientific or
pseudoscientific. If someone points out that only the
investigative process can be scientific or unscientific and
that science is properly blind to subject matter, dismiss such
objections using a method employed successfully by generations
of politicians: simply reassure your audience that ('there is no
contradiction here.)'
- Employ vague, subjective, dismissive terms such as
"ridiculous" or "trivial" in a manner that suggests they have
the full force of scientific authority.
- Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. It is far and away the
single most effective weapon in the war against discovery and
innovation. Ridicule has the unique ability to make people of
virtually any persuasion go completely unconscious in a
twinkling. It fails to sway only those who are of sufficiently
independent mind not to need the kind of emotional consensus
that ridicule provides. Fortunately there are few enough such
people in this world that they may be safely disregarded.
- Do your best to convince your audience (although not in
as many words) that ridicule constitutes an essential feature
of scientific method and can raise the level of objectivity,
integrity and dispassionateness with which any investigation is
pursued.
- Charm your audience and disarm your opponents with pithy
aphorisms and clever remarks. For example, "I've always been
strongly in favor of open-mindedness -- as long as your mind
isn't so open that your brains fall out!" But take care never
to specify just how much openmindedness is too much; this keeps
your views outside the realm of rational debate. As long as you
keep things vague nobody will notice the absurdity of your gems
of wit and wisdom.
- Use "smoke and mirrors." Never forget that a slippery
mixture of fact, opinion, innuendo and out-of-context
information will fool most of the people most of the time. As
little as one part fact to ten parts B.S. will usually do the
trick. (Some veteran debunkers use homeopathic dilutions of
fact with remarkable success!) Cultivate the art of slipping
back and forth between fact and fiction so undetectably that
the grain of truth appears to underlie and support the entire
edifice of opinion.
- Keep a repertory of avoidance techniques at hand in case
you get cornered. Examples include changing the subject,
attacking your opponent's personal habits, distraction with
humorous irrelevancies, lengthy storytelling and so forth.
Remember that the main point of such diversionary tactics is to
consume precious air time.
- Arrange to have your message delivered or echoed by
persons of authority. The degree to which you can stretch the
truth is directly proportional to the perceived level of
authority of your messenger.
- If you can't attack the case, attack the people. Ad-
hominem arguments, or personality attacks, are one of the most
powerful ways of swaying thoughtless people and avoiding the
issue. Insist that if a witness has ever been accused of
stretching the truth in any way, to any degree, for any reason,
his or her testimony about anything is, always was, and always
will be, worthless. Employ similar tactics if the claimant is
known ever to have had a brush with the law (whatever its
outcome), has ever entered into any kind of psychological
counseling or can be shown to have unusual personal habits or
predilections. If you can determine that your opponents have
profited financially from activities connected with their
research, accuse them of "profiting financially from activities
connected with their research!" If their research, publishing,
speaking tours and so forth, constitute their normal line of
work or sole means of support, hold that fact as "conclusive
proof that income is being realized from such activities"' If
your opponents have labored to achieve public recognition for
their work, you may safely characterize them as "publicity
seekers."
- Employ "TCP": Technically Correct Pseudo-rebuttal. For
example, if your opponent remarks that all great truths began
as blasphemies, respond immediately that not all blasphemies
have become great truths. Because your response was technically
correct, no one will notice that it did not really refute or
even contradict the original remark.
- Trivialize the case by trivializing the entire field in
question. Characterize the study of orthodox phenomena as deep
and time-consuming, while deeming that of unorthodox phenomena
so insubstantial as to demand nothing more than a scan of the
tabloids. If pressed, simply say "but there's nothing there to
study!" Characterize any investigator of the unorthodox as
"self-styled" -- the media's favorite code-word for "bogus."
- Deny any subject by denying that rational discourse
about it is possible.
- Condemn the entire field by generalizing from carefully
selected data. For example, declare that all of ufology must be
nothing more than an evolving system of paranoia because some
of its founders and practitioners suffered from childhood
trauma. (If this seems at all far-fetched, please refer to the
piece by Martin Kottmeyer in UFO Magazine, Vol.7, No.3, May,
1992.)
- Confine the game to your preferred end of the playing
field. One way to do this is to limit the permissible rules of
discovery to those of certain physical sciences. Deny that
court procedures, which admit human testimony in matters of
life and death, are objective enough to have any value
whatsoever in determining the truth of anything at all.
- Employ time reversal. Demand that your opponents know
all the answers to their most puzzling questions in full,
certain detail ahead of time. A variation on this approach is
to deny the existence of something on grounds that we cannot
yet explain how it might work.
- Accuse your opponents of believing in "invisible forces
and extrasensory realities." If they should point out that the
physical sciences have always dealt primarily with invisible
forces and extrasensory realities, respond with a patronizing
chuckle that is "a naive interpretation."
Bob Casanova
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 11 Apr 2007 05:30:20 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>> ...nothing new, rational or of interest to adults.
...and still no change.
<snip>
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
hogs!
Debunker melt-down. Sad :<
1. Debunkery: General Principles:
Bob Casanova
[Ignorant top-posting corrected]
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On 12 Apr 2007 06:28:23 -0700, the following appeared in
>> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>>
>> >Bob Casanova wrote:
>>
>> >> On 11 Apr 2007 05:30:20 -0700, the following appeared in
>> >> sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> >> <sci...@zzz.com>:
>>
>> >> ...nothing new, rational or of interest to adults.
>>
>> ...and still no change.
ibid.
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Bob Casanova wrote:
> >> >> ...nothing new,
Cassy, let's start at the beginning, YOUR SIDE, you know, the side of
hedge hogs, ball lightning, crash test dummies and stealth blimps,
have failed miseably. At best there are a handful of debunkers on
This Planet Earth. We know who they are and we let them continue, for
their own sake!!!
The 3 Golden Rules of the Debunker/Anyone Can Become One!--Even You!
You've seen them on television talk shows, you've read them in
Parade magazine (hint-hint), now you would like to be one too. Of
course we are talking about the fine art of "debunking". You say you
don't have a science degree from Harvard or Stanford, no problem,
anyone can be a debunker. Although real professionals make it sound
so easy, you can learn "right now" the skills of this noble
profession. Discover the secrets in three easy-to-learn lessons.
Write them down and practice the instructions until they become second
nature, and even you can earn your "Degree" in de-bunkology.
First off, why would you want to become a debunker? It's simple,
really. The other side has all the good evidence in their favor.
When you stack up the voluminous amount of exemplary "science" that
has been done on crop circles, animal mutilations, human abductions,
government cover-ups, crash retrievals, landing sites, artifacts,
implants, sightings, video analysis, . . . well you get the picture,
we can't really substantially argue against the data. The amount of
really first-rate evidence is overwhelming in the positive for proving
the existence of extraterrestrial life interfacing with the planet
Earth.
So we have to resort to the three "D's": deny, dispute and
debunk. First "deny" there is anything there, when that fails, go to
"dispute" the facts, and then as a last resort: "debunk" everything.
It's easy and quite "necessary" really to maintain a functioning
society and avoid economic disintegration, which would certainly
follow the announcement of beings from other Planets regularly
visiting ours. Many industries would become obsolete over-night,
including energy, transportation, chemicals and many more. Free-
Energy alone would put the oil, nuclear, and coal industries out of
business. Although that would be for the good for ALL mankind since
it would reduce the amount of global warming and ozone depletion that
these industries contribute to.
And now: the three Golden rules of the UFO debunker:
1) Attack the person not the evidence. ---- As listed above, the
preponderance of evidence to establish the existence of
extraterrestrials and their other-worldly crafts is overwhelming. So
instead of acknowledging the evidence, ATTACK the persons'
credibility. Call them "crackpots" and "lunatics." If they don't
have a college degree, assault them for that. If they do have a
degree, even a Ph. D. ask them the relevance of it to the subject
matter. To quote Vince Lombardi: "The best defense is a good offense"
so be offensive. Perhaps use a Phil Klass technique, and declare
people who claim to have been abducted by aliens, "little nobodies,
people seeking celebrity status." That usually pisses a bunch of
people off. Another Phil Klass technique which is also very clever,
(as quoted from the Don Ecker radio talk show) just yell out this nice
expletive: "BULLSHIT" and hang up the phone. That leaves the audience
bewildered and bothered,
and makes you look like the Authority-Figure.
2) Have a closed mind or "Don't bother me with the facts my mind is
made up." --- Unfortunately, sometimes you will have to address the
evidence. It can be quite ugly and you really don't want to hear it.
So rule #2 is keep a stiff upper lip, perhaps roll your eyes and just
drown out the other person when they are trying to make a point or
quote a statistic. Try to dismiss the facts, here is another quote
from the Messiah, Phil Klass, "Even airline pilots can be grossly
mistaken." Wow! Would you really want to fly commercially if that
was true, I sure wouldn't. But by the time the audience tries to
figure out what you meant, just move on to another one liner, such as
"Wrong, wrong, wrong!"
Now, whom is the audience going to believe someone who just
illuminated a point by using some great research, or you, the
"debunker" who only has to say "wrong, wrong, wrong." You may try
throwing in some obscure references and words like "confabulation."
Gets them every time!
3) Come up with any kind of flimsy explanation, it makes people feel
better. Yes students, it's still really potent, spouting a reason
that lacks substance. Remember, American's are science-illiterates,
and they wouldn't know an isotope from ice cream, or an electron from
a election. So razzle-dazzle them with b.s. Here are a bunch of
official-sounding denials that lack merit, but sound plausible: swamp
gas (but only where there's swamps!), atmospheric mumbo-jumbo,
temperature inversions, funny looking clouds, planets, hallucinations,
shadows and light, smoke and mirrors, mistaken this or that, hoaxes,
and that old standby, "Doug and Dave" which was recently used capably
in Parade magazine by you know whom!!!!! (He is deceased now but his
memory lives on!)
Once you've mastered these three golden rules - you can be a
debunker too, and have a degree in 'Debunkology." There will be a
test given so study and practice.
UPDATES: Other techniques of the debunkers: A) Ask for endless
references.
This technique only purpose is to stall for time and lulls the
audience to sleep!
B) What the public doesn't know - we won't tell them. Obviously, the
Pentagon who is in control of the "Black Budget" has a greater data-
base than most researchers, and they are keeping that information to
themselves. The collaboration between certain
Military Contractors, the Pentagon, Private Individuals with
Intelligent Agency
Connections are the ones who have kept this information outside of
reach.
Thank you Stanton Friedman for all you have contributed to discovering
the real truth.
A reader added the following Golden Rules of the UFO Debunker
(Graduate Program):
1.) Guilt by association. The idea of this tactic is to directly or
indirectly yoke UFO research to more bizarre areas. For example:
a) Psychics; especially those of the amazing Kreskin variety.
b) Witchcraft, voodoo, apparitions, snake handlers, spiritualism, and
other Bovine eschatology. Everyone loves a good ghost story.
c) Parapsychology. ESP, Imply sickness of the mind.
d) Linkage to elaborate and incredulous conspiracy theories
rather than facts. Sows lots of doubt and makes UFOs consigned to the
lunatic fringe.
e) Imply a tradition rooted in mythology and spiritual fairy tales.
Employ false exegesis of various religious scriptures for support. Why
not blame the devil?
f) Gather UFO support from extremist groups, assorted crackpots,
criminals, secret societies, cults,,...etc..
2.) Misinformation.
a) Encourage men with "credibility" to testify of Government cover-
ups, secrecy, and collusion with alien malefactors. The idea here is
that the most dangerous lie is the one closest to the truth. Somewhat
like offering a fine steak laced with just a bit of arsenic. However,
to be real good at this you need reliable source of true information.
Lacking this offer a creative theory of your own; no doubt someone
else will embrace it.
3.) False bifurcation.
a) Make people choose between limited and unacceptable alternative
"either-or" explanations.
4.) "Totalism"
a) Encourage the belief that a theory is entirely true or entirely
false. No grey areas permitted. Use this to promote heated and bitter
debates between UFO researchers. Make people draw lines between
science and chicanery over minute differences of understanding.
5.) Straw man attack.
a) Fashion a dummy position held by a UFO researcher. Then proceed to
rip it apart. Many will discredit the researcher on this false
premise.
6.) Whipping Boy.
a) When a UFO researcher is caught in some error, use this as a
platform to debunk the field.
Warning: Prospective graduates are going to have to work at this
degree. No matchbook universities or mail-order sheepskins here!
Thanks to Joe Byczko for the Graduate Program!
byc...@gdc.com
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Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression
by David Martin
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring
down
a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based
defense,
other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques
depends
heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token
opposition
party.
1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "how dare you?" gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors."
If,
in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn
about
the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors."
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the
weakest
charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild
rumors
and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the
charges, real
and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut,"
"ranter,"
"kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger." You must then
carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you
have
thus maligned.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting
strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are
simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make
money.
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition
can
be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance"
or
"taking the limited hang-out route." This way, you create the
impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to
relatively
harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often
requires
the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one
originally taken.
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as
ultimately unknowable.
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With
thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is
irrelevant. For
example: We have a completely free press. If they know of
evidence that
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior
knowledge
of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They
haven't
reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another
variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy
leaker
and a press that would report it.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example:
If
Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or
reporting a
distraction.
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Bob Casanova
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> >> >> ...nothing new,
>Cassy, let's start at the beginning, YOUR SIDE, you know, the side of
>hedge hogs, ball lightning, crash test dummies and stealth blimps,
>have failed miseably.
Really? At what? At pointing out that you're a loon with
zero hard evidence? No, I don't think so...
Plus I have nothing to do with hedge hogs, ball lightning,
crash test dummies and stealth blimps (whatever they may
be); they seem to be inventions of loons such as yourself.
Still nothing new...
<LunacySnip>
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
the top debunker excuses, as sad and stupid as they are, and as sad
and stupid as you are. You don't even know what you are trying to
defend!
SEE FOLKS, I was right, when the cover-up ended, not even the so-
called debunkers know what they are saying. The and proof is Cassy
himself. Wow! I was right again, that makes what 100%!!
OH Cassy, I will help the debunkers ONCE AGAIN!! Now this time,
pleeaaasse pay attention
The History of UFO Debunking!
The standing joke among UFO circles is for every 200 UFO
sightings, the Air Force can explain away 201. The possibility that
our Government might withhold or distort information about UFOs might
seem farfetched, until you read the mountains of evidence compiled
from the Government's own files. Evidence that strongly suggests a
cover-up. The U.S. Military first started seeing UFOs in World War
II, pilots called them "Foo Fighters." We thought they were a German
secret weapon, the German's thought they were ours. An explosion of
civilian sightings in 1947 caught the military by surprise. Top
secret investigations were begun. A joint study by the FBI and Army
concluded, "The flying saucer situation is not all imaginary,
something is really flying around." That report was kept secret until
1976.
Most early UFO sightings were made by eyewitnesses and not
radar. In New Mexico, over a two year period, dozens of people
reported seeing green fire-balls over sensitive military
installations. But when radar and cameras were dispatched to those
installations, the fire-balls mysteriously shifted someplace else. A
1949 study by scientists at Los Alamos Lab stated, "The fireballs
deserve serious consideration.".
Some have suggested that the saucer craze of the 1940's and
1950's was a by-product of Cold War tensions and fears. Both the U.S.
and the U.S.S.R. conducted secret studies to find out if the other
side was behind the UFOs, and both concluded early on that the
capabilities of the flying discs seemed beyond human technology. This
secret report done in 1948 by the Air Force and Naval Intelligence is
among the most fascinating of the UFO documents ever to surface
because it wasn't suppose to exist. A confidential memo at the end of
the report ordered that all copies should be destroyed. But one copy
survived and was finally pried out of the Pentagon in 1985. It's a
study of more than 200 of the earliest UFO sightings, including one
that occurred on June, 1947, near Lake Mead. The report notes that an
Air Force pilot saw a formation of six UFOs, and the UFOs were some
type of flying craft, not weather balloons or hallucinations. The
report made note of the fact that more than a few sighting reports
were made by experienced personnel, and that the origin of flying
saucers was not ascertainable.
The Cold War with the Soviets and Communist countries was heating up.
Strange craft were reported all over our skies, and the news media was
critical of government's explanations. Many people thought the craft
belonged to the Soviet Union or perhaps aliens bent on invasion. There
was fear the Soviets could use UFO propaganda to discredit the US
government. There was genuine concern that a national panic could
occur. Whether UFOs were real or not, the situation made the president
nervous and made the military and the various intelligence agencies
look bad. Plenty of good reports were trickling out that a substantial
number of military aircraft were crashing. Stories started to leak out
that these aircraft were crashing while chasing UFOs. The crashes were
explained as training accidents and mechanical failures, but the news
media was starting to tie the two types of reports together.
The over-all effort to study saucers was called "Project Sign,"
and the headquarters was located at Wright Field in Ohio. In 1949,
Sign personnel wrote a top-secret report, which concluded that, "UFOs
were extra-terrestrial craft." When the report made it to the desk of
the Chief of Staff General Hoyt Vandeberg, he rejected it and ordered
all copies burned. This rejection from the top was in the view of
many, the death knell for any objective study of UFOs. A few weeks
later Project Sign produced another final report stating that it's
findings were "inconclusive." That report was accepted and soon after
Project Sign became Project Grudge. Grudge evaluated reports on the
premise that UFOs could not exist. According to a later report by the
Library of Congress, it was the job of Grudge to explain them all.
Despite this slant, 23% of Grudge cases remained a mystery. Grudge
staffers decided these cases were physiologically motivated, the first
official declaration that people who see UFOs are crazy.
In 1952, there were more sightings than the five previous years
combined, including the two infamous Washington D.C. incidents. Yet
another study was launched, Project Bluebook. Bluebook today is
notorious in UFO circles as a whitewash. There is considerable
evidence the project was far from objective. The man appointed to
head Bluebook, Captain Edward Ruppelt, said he was told in the very
beginning that the 'powers that be' were anti-flying-saucer and to
stay in favor, "it behooves one to follow suit." Ruppelt later
resigned from the military and wrote a book about what he says was the
Bluebook cover-up and the reality of flying saucers. The continued
increase of UFO sightings was a source of great concern for the CIA
and a new strategy was born: "UFO DEBUNKING."
A group of CIA-connected scientists was assembled in secret to
evaluate UFOs. CIA documents reveal that five members of the
Scientific Advisory Panel, who were all well-known skeptics, were
given several poor UFO cases to examine and came to the conclusion
that "there was no evidence of a direct threat to national security in
the objects sighted. Flying saucer reports were overloading emergency
reporting channels with false information, clogging up communication
lines, causing alarm, and realistically even if they were real there
was little we could do about them." Furthermore, the government was
losing the confidence of the people. Our science and aircraft seemed
to be confronted by far superior technology.
The "Robertson Panel" spent all of twelve hours in a round-table
discussion, analyzing only about a handful of UFO cases. The Panel
concluded that, "UFOs are not a threat to national security...but
continued reporting of UFOs is a threat." Their recommendation: The
Government should take immediate steps to strip UFOs of their "aura of
mystery," through a program of public education. The final report
even used the term, "DEBUNKING."
The Robertson Panel discussions and recommendations centered around
the main problem of eradicating belief in these unidentified flying
objects. Ways of using the news media and movies to discredit UFOs
were discussed and placed into action. This resulted in the reduction
of public interest around the reality of flying saucers, which even
today still evokes a strong psychological reaction. Such propaganda
techniques included addressing actual UFO cases, which might have been
puzzling at first but later explained away as natural phenomenon.
The panel also discussed various insidious methods that were often
implemented to execute this debunking program. It was felt strongly
that psychologists familiar with mass psychology should be called in
as advisers to assist with the nature and extent of this program.
These national programs resulted in the National Policy. The end
result was to debunk any valid sighting, even if it resulted in the
embarrassment of pilots and/or government employees. UFO reports were
denied, debunked and those who saw them were soundly and mercilessly
ridiculed.
Timothy Good in his book Above Top Secret writes: Another sinister
recommendation of the panel was that civilian UFO groups should be
watched "because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking
if widespread sightings should occur. The apparent irresponsibility
and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be
kept in mind." The panel concluded that "the continued emphasis on the
reporting these phenomena does, in these parlous times, result in a
threat to the orderly functioning of the protective organs of the body
politic," and recommended:
a. That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip
the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been
given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.
b. That the national security agencies institute policies on
intelligence, training, and public education designed to prepare the
material defenses and the morale of the country to recognize most
promptly and to react most effectively to true indications of hostile
intent or action.
Shortly thereafter every effort of the government went into debunking
UFOs even if it would mean embarrassing its own people. It soon became
known the best way to destroy your military career was to report a
UFO. Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, Chief of the Aerial Phenomena Branch
at the Air Technical Intelligence Center, said that the CIA ordered
the Air Force to debunk sightings and debunk witnesses. "We're
ordered to hide sightings when possible," he told Major Keyhole, "but
if a strong report does get out we have to publish a fast explanation--
make up something to kill the report in a hurry, and also ridicule the
witness, especially if we can't figure out a plausible answer, even if
we have to discredit our own pilots."
The debunking included spying on UFO witnesses and the infiltration of
UFO organizations by the CIA and FBI. Various effective civilian UFO
organizations have been rendered impotent, and sometimes inactive,
after ex-CIA members have joined their board of directors, the best
example being the ousting of Major Donald Keyhoe from NICAP (National
Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.). APRO (Aerial
Phenomena Research Organization) head Jim Lorenzen was also put under
CIA surveillance in 1953, after the recommendations of the Robertson
Panel. New federal policy resulting from the Robertson Panel includes
Military Policy Orders AFR 200-2 and JANAP 146, which simultaneously
criminalizes the release by any military personnel of UFO-related
information, but makes the reporting of all sightings to immediate
superiors MANDATORY. The debunking strategy likewise included the
silencing of military personnel through intimidation. Even retired
military personnel risked losing their pension benefits if they talked
about their experiences with UFOs. That ban continues to this day.
For three decades, the Military have publicly scoffed at UFOs but
it has been another matter behind the scenes. A secret order issued
to Air Force base commanders in 1960 stated UFOs should be treated as,
"serious business...directly related to national security." Public
pressures spurred Congress to hold hearing about UFOs in the
mid-1960's and the Air Force decided enough is enough. It
commissioned what was to be the ultimate UFO study, directed by Edward
Condon of the University of Colorado. Condon was a respected
scientist but was hardly impartial about UFOs. Before the study even
began, he said in a speech that "The Government should get out of the
UFO business, there's nothing to it." He later wrote, "The authors of
UFO books should be horsewhipped." There is even evidence that the
studies conclusion were written before the project even began. To the
surprise of few, the committee declared that further study of UFOs
would be a waste of time. The Air Force used this as its reason to
finally end Project Bluebook. UFO researchers have long suspected
that Bluebook was merely for public consumption, that another secret
UFO program existed to handle the most sensitive cases.
The CIA responds to UFO requests in this fashion: "There is no
CIA program to actively collect information on UFOs, nor has there
been one since the 1950's." This statement flies in the face of
numerous reports, squeezed out of the Agency by Freedom of Information
lawsuits. A series of internal memos dated 1976, made repeated
references to "UFO Research"- "UFO Studies"- "CIA-UFO Experts"-and
"Agency personnel who are monitoring the UFO phenomenon." The
reluctance to admit an interest in UFOs dates back to at least 1952,
an internal letter from CIA Weapons Chief states "It is strongly urged
that no indication of CIA interest reach the press or public, in light
of their alarmist tendencies."
Officially, CIA and other government agencies say their lack of
interest is because UFOs pose no threat to national security. Yet,
UFOs have made alarming intrusions at our most sensitive military
bases. As the Washington Post reported, "UFOs visited five separate
nuclear missile launch sites near the Canadian border during a two-
week period in 1975, one right after the other." In a least one case,
UFOs tampered with the launch codes of ICBM missiles. Fighter planes
were unable to catch the UFOs, which makes the government explanation
that those UFOs were "mystery helicopters" seem specious. Mystery
helicopters that can out-race F-16's visiting nuclear missile bases?
If this isn't national security, what is?? Oddly, the government has
used the national security excuse to withhold UFO data. Stan Friedman
fought all the way to the Supreme Court to get UFO documents from the
National Security Agency, and all he got was a summary of the
documents which was over 80% blacked out.
This "explaining away" real UFO cases continues to this day with the
multiple phony accounts of the Roswell extraterrestrial crash given by
the Air Force. Within the span of a single day (July 8, 1947), two
stories were made public: the first one, the correct story as it turns
out, was that a flying disc had been recovered. A few hours later
General Ramey issued a statement that the wreckage was just that of a
weather balloon's radar reflector. 27 years after that in 1993, in
response to the potentially damaging GAO Roswell report, the Air Force
released its now infamous super-secret Project Mogul balloon excuse.
This is the most popular excuse favored by UFO debunkers. Four years
after that in 1997, came the now laughable time-compressed crash-test
dummy explanation which tried to explain the 4 to 5 alien bodies that
were witnessed at the crash site by multiple military and civilian
observers.
Let's ask nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman if it is possible for
the government to completely cover up a story as earth-shaking as
extraterrestrials?
SF: I think it's extraordinarily easy. In the first place, the good
tools for getting the best data all belong to the government. They've
got the radar systems, the closed communication systems, the aircraft
loaded with instrumentation, the Air Defense Command and so forth.
And all that data is born classified. If you were to ask me as a
physicist what I'd like to do to find out about flying saucers, I'd
say, well, you've got to have a system to detect them, then you need
another system to monitor them once you've picked one up, then you
want to communicate back and forth and get guys up there with
instruments as close as you can when they're there. The government's
got all of that, and it's all classified. So, that's the first thing:
they've got a closed system to begin with.
Secondly, when we talk government, we imply--at least some people
do--that everybody knows and nobody's talking. That's not how
security works at all. I had a clearance for 15 years. The "need to
know" concept is most important. As an example of that, I was working
on radiation shielding for nuclear airplanes for General Electric. I
would have liked access to secret restricted data on radiation
shielding being produced by Westinghouse for the nuclear submarine
program. I mean, a shield is a shield. You've got the same
difficulties with light-weight and that sort of thing. I didn't have
a need-to-know for their data. I had the right level of clearance,
but it got me nowhere. So, the key is compartmentalization, which was
honed to a science during World War II by some of the same people who
were apparently involved with UFOs post-War. How did we keep the
Manhattan Project secret as long as we did. Two billion dollars in
1942 money, tens of thousands of people involved in the construction
of enormous facilities that at one point were using eleven percent of
the electricity in the United States, to blow uranium hexaflouride
through little holes in a mile-long building--and yet, it was kept
secret. Secrets are easy to keep, as long as you control the
detection systems, the communications systems, and the interference
systems, if you will. I've talked to a number of people who worked
for Truman and Eisenhower. Every single one agreed that secrets could
have always been kept, at least post-World War II. No problem at all.
Although the case for the flying saucer reality is far better
than the case against most convicted criminals. If you do it on an
evidential basis, you can look at things like Ted Phillips' collected
information on over 4,400 physical trace cases from 79 countries.
These are cases where the saucer is seen on or near the ground, and
after it leaves, one finds clear physical changes such as burn circles
and burn rings, landing gear marks, swirled vegetation, dried out
soil, and so forth. People say there is no physical evidence. Well,
if a footprint and a fingerprint are physical evidence, then the
physical trace cases are certainly physical evidence. And the same
things keep happening all over the world. The problem is most people
are unaware of the evidence, even though there is a preponderance of
evidence. Given the physical trace cases, the radar sightings, the
photographs and the eye-witness testimony from people all over the
world, we have quite sufficient evidence to conclude that our planet
is being visited by manufactured objects behaving in ways that we
Earthlings cannot yet duplicate, and that therefore were produced
someplace else."
In addition, Jim Marrs had the following accurate narrative to add:
As the 20th century came to a close, cattle mutilations continue, crop
circles are more elaborate than in the past, and the abduction
experience appears to be more widespread than ever, in spite of the
debunkers and media-supported public disbelief.
Two concepts increasingly accepted by all but the most intransigent
skeptic are that there is much more to life than our own brief
material existence on Earth and we are not alone on our world.
The concept that we are not alone is supported by overwhelming
evidence, including multitudinous sightings, photographs, films and
videos, radar contacts, personal confrontations, abduction reports,
crop circles, animal mutilations, channeled messages, multiple-witness
reports and physical evidence such as indented landing sites, holes in
the ground, burned vegetation, human scars, and implants. Some of the
human reports and photographic evidence undoubtedly are the product of
misinterpretation or hoaxers, but the sheer number and consistency of
descriptions argues against all of them being mistakes or fakes.
Another argument supporting the idea of non-human visitors is the
longevity of the reports. If sightings had occurred only in recent
times, they might be attributable to some passing mass psychosis, an
aberrant copycat function of minds frightened by the onrush of modern
technology. But reports of flying machines and unearthly visitors
predate man's history. And the evidence of technology superior to
ours in the distant past is particularly compelling. Although there
is no clear indication that such technology was the product of alien
visitation rather than some lost civilization of man, the many ancient
tales of sky-gods and their flying craft tip the scales in favor of
alien contact.
Thank you to George Knapp, Michael Lindemann, Timothy Good, Ralph
Steiner, Stanton Frideman, Jim Marrs and George Filer for the above
information
Bob Casanova wrote:
> Plus I have nothing to do with hedge hogs, ball lightning,
> crash test dummies and stealth blimps...
www.freedomtofascism.com
<sci...@zzz.com> wrote:
>There
>was fear the Soviets could use UFO propaganda to discredit the US
>government.
How about that! After all of these years, it was the US government which
discredited itself!
And they gave the secrets of alien technology to their pals, the Russians.
Funny, that. No?
Prolly 'cause the aliens like the Ruskies better than they like the Jews.
Pietro Sommavilla
wrote:
(CUT)
> Another argument supporting the idea of non-human visitors is the
> longevity of the reports. If sightings had occurred only in recent
> times, they might be attributable to some passing mass psychosis, an
> aberrant copycat function of minds frightened by the onrush of modern
> technology. But reports of flying machines and unearthly visitors
> predate man's history. And the evidence of technology superior to
> ours in the distant past is particularly compelling. Although there
> is no clear indication that such technology was the product of alien
> visitation rather than some lost civilization of man, the many ancient
> tales of sky-gods and their flying craft tip the scales in favor of
> alien contact.
>
> Thank you to George Knapp, Michael Lindemann, Timothy Good, Ralph
> Steiner, Stanton Frideman, Jim Marrs and George Filer for the above
> information
Maybe there is an awakening process now in motion:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8285709939745631584
Richard F. Haines:
"...well it wasn't very long before I realize that I was wrong that
infact these phenomena are not misidentify natural phenomena.."
Finally.
:-)
---------------------------
From: http://www.nicap.org/bios/haines.htm
Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.
P. 0. Box 880
Los Altos, CA 94023-0880.
Brief Biography (dated 1992)
Richard F. Haines was born and raised in Seattle, Washington, and
attended the University of Washing ton (College of Engineering) and
Pacific Lutheran College (Tacoma) where he received the B.A. degree in
1960. He was awarded the M.A. and Ph.D. from Michigan State University
(East Lansing) in 1962 and 1964, respectively, in the field of
Experimental Psychology.
After working at NASA-Ames from 1967 - 1986 as a research scientist in
numerous astronautical (Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, Space Station) and
aeronautical (e.g., Mgr. of the Joint FAA/NASA Head-up Display
Program, landing simulation research) projects, he was appointed Chief
of the Space Human Factors Office at NASA-Ames (1986-1988) where he
directed research and development efforts of the AX-5 "hard" EVA space
suit, habitability design research for Space Station Freedom, and
spacecraft window design.
He retired from government service in 1988 and taught at San Jose
State University as an Associate Professor of Psychology while working
part time as a scientist in the Research Institute for Advanced
Computer Science. From 1990-1991 he has provided consulting services
to NASA in various laboratory activities related to supersonic wind
tunnel automation redesign and Space Station Freedom - to - ground
bandwidth image transmission reduction.
His interest in UFO phenomena spans over 20 years with special
interests in sightings by pilots, analysis of photographic evidence,
and data on Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind. He claims that,
"these three areas contain the type of data that will bring us to a
successful discovery of the core nature of the phenomena.
Samples of published works (underlined are active links):
Review Of Selected Sightings From Aircraft From 1973 - 1978 - Dr.
Richard Haines (1979)
Review of Selected Aerial Phenomenon Sightings From Aircraft From
1942 - 1952 - Haines (1983)
Fifty-Six Aircraft Pilot Sightings Involving E-M Effects - Richard F.
Haines (1992)
UFO Phenomena and the Behavioral Scientist (Editor)
Observing UFOs
Melbourne Episode - Case Study of a Missing Pilot
Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War
He recently founded (and co directs) the "Joint American - Soviet
Aerial Anomaly Federation" (JASASF); his professional biography (and
list of published books) may be found in Who's Who in America, Who's
Who in California, and other similar publications.
Art Deco
>On 15 Apr, 08:24, "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <scie...@zzz.com>
>wrote:
>
>(CUT)
>
>> Another argument supporting the idea of non-human visitors is the
>> longevity of the reports. If sightings had occurred only in recent
>> times, they might be attributable to some passing mass psychosis, an
>> aberrant copycat function of minds frightened by the onrush of modern
>> technology. But reports of flying machines and unearthly visitors
>> predate man's history. And the evidence of technology superior to
>> ours in the distant past is particularly compelling. Although there
>> is no clear indication that such technology was the product of alien
>> visitation rather than some lost civilization of man, the many ancient
>> tales of sky-gods and their flying craft tip the scales in favor of
>> alien contact.
>>
>> Thank you to George Knapp, Michael Lindemann, Timothy Good, Ralph
>> Steiner, Stanton Frideman, Jim Marrs and George Filer for the above
>> information
>
>
>
>
>Maybe there is an awakening process now in motion:
Pietro! Long time, how's it going?
>
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8285709939745631584
>
>Richard F. Haines:
>"...well it wasn't very long before I realize that I was wrong that
>infact these phenomena are not misidentify natural phenomena.."
>
>Finally.
>:-)
>
>
>---------------------------
>
>From: http://www.nicap.org/bios/haines.htm
>
>Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.
>P. 0. Box 880
>Los Altos, CA 94023-0880.
>
>Brief Biography (dated 1992)
>
>Richard F. Haines was born and raised in Seattle, Washington, and
Nice screed (flushed).
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
Bob Casanova
[Top-posting error fixed. Again.]
>Bob Casanova wrote:
>> Plus I have nothing to do with hedge hogs, ball lightning,
>> crash test dummies and stealth blimps...
>You sure don't know much about the history of debunking.
No, I leave claiming that there's an "organization" of
"debunkers" to the loons and conspiracy theorists.
<RantSnip. Again.>
Bob Casanova
sci.skeptic, posted by "Pietro Sommavilla"
<judo...@btinternet.com>:
<snip>
>Richard F. Haines:
>"...well it wasn't very long before I realize that I was wrong that
>infact these phenomena are not misidentify natural phenomena.."
Parsing that has given me a headache. ;-)
<snip>