UFO Debunkers in Massive Retreat//Thank you Brian Z, wherever you are!!
Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO Debunkers in Retreat.
Brian, Let me extend a hearty thank-you from myself and from all the honest
UFO researchers in your efforts to document and illuminate the well
proven facts. The UFO community would also like to extend our
gratitude for the work you have done in bringing new ideas and solid
information to light. We are in your debt. Also, I would like to
encourage you to keep up your investigations, for they are highly
educational and written in a scholarly manner.
Please don't be put off by those luckless charlatans posing as UFO debunkers.
At best, we can say these impostors are ignorant dupes and fools,
"useless idiots" if you will, at worst, they are intelligence community,
low-level assets who can't make it in the real world.
It is a pity they spend so much effort in the distortion and
vandalism of good science. May history view them in higher regard than I do,
they'll need it.
From time to time, it is important for all of us to let you know the
outstanding contributions you are making in the field and what a delight and
inspiration it is to have you around. With your valuable assistance,
I'm sure "our" side will win. The truth always does!
Again, let me declare your efforts were remarkable in digging up the
Ames and Sandia connections. That was impressive, and, of course,
highly indicative of the lengths 'they' are going to in trying to control and
cover-up the ET/Alien information. Bravo!
BRIAN ZEILER RESPONDS:
Brian Zeiler <bdze...@anet-chi.com> wrote on Oct. 19, 1996:
Art Wholeflaffer wrote:
> Brian, Let me extend a hearty thank-you from myself and from all the honest
> UFO researchers in your efforts to document and illuminate the well
> proven facts.
You're welcome, and thank you. And let's also not forget that I am too prone to
getting suckered into flame wars with the self-styled "skeptics", and this noise
tends to overshadow the very high quality posts from David Rudiak, J. Walter,
Bill Peterson, and a few others whose contributions are appreciated.
> Please don't be put off by those luckless charlatans posing as UFO debunkers.
> At best, we can say these impostors are ignorant dupes and fools,
> useless "idiots" if you will, at worst, they are intelligence community,
> low-level assets who can't make it in the real world.
Sadly, the vast majority appear to be all too sincere. Rogers, Fun, McKnight
(where's he been?), etc., are nothing more than typical dime-a-dozen skeptics
who
lease their opinions from their masters and overlords at CSICOP in a rather
repugnant display of intellectual incompetence and lack of capacity for
independent reasoning. Of course, that's due in no small part to the
intellectual prostitution of Menzel and Sagan and other opinion leaders who
duped
generations of scientists into absorbing a culture of UFO ridicule and rejection
with absolutely no logical basis whatsoever -- nothing but silly debunkeries
that
invariably collapse under scrutiny along with an idiot mantra about
"extraordinariness" which presumes the inductive powers of probability
estimation
in the midst of insufficient data.
It's absolutely staggering to see scientific leadership deteriorate to such a
level of stagnancy and ambivalence in research effort, coupled with a total lack
of exposure to the evidence *and* a blinding, foaming, raging need to disbelieve
and debunk with the urgent zeal of a fanatical religious nut. That's the
scientific treatment of the UFO evidence, all spawned by their blind devotion to
their overlords and masters like Sagan and Menzel. Truly unbelievable.
> It is a pity they spend so much effort in the
> distortion and vandalism of good science. May history view
> them in higher regard than I do, they'll need it.
History will view them as fools -- relentless defenders of dogma, blind fools
who
crippled scientific progress in the name of, ironically, "science", which they
fallaciously equate with skepticism, their need-to-disbelieve religion. History
will show that they undermined that which they sought to defend -- good science.
It's truly sad to see human progress and potential reflected so feebly and
pathetically in the scientific community's willful blindness to this discovery,
especially in this age of such revolutionary technological progress. The
failure
of science in this aspect -- arguably the biggest aspect, the greatest
discovery of all time -- will long be remembered as the pox on a century
otherwise full of conquest and glory, the grandest 100 years of science that
ever
happened.
The US government will release the goods, but probably not for a long time.
When
they do, the world will instantly view the "UFO skeptics" as a group of
irrational zealots who, rather unfortunately, happened to be in positions of
public influence.
In the meantime, all we can do is observe the UFO skeptics and, with a necessary
sense of humor that enables us to laugh raucously at their silly logic, watch
them struggle to deny, disbelieve, and debunk. Hey, that'll be the three D's of
modern science's treatment of the UFO evidence...
--
Brian Zeiler
Wally Anglesea™
<sini...@concentric.net> wrote:
>X-No-Archive: Yes.
>On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:48:38 GMT, Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers
>A.S.A. <nos...@rumpranger.com> wrote:
>
>>Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO Debunkers in Massive Retreat.
>>
>Herr Zeiler hasn't posted here in 6 years, IIRC. Are you so desperate
>for something to post that you'll dredge up a useless bit of fluff
>from the morgue?
>
>You *are* pathetic, Kolnick.
>
>Why don't you tell us about the spanking you got from the Washington
>Post for misusing one of their copyrighted articles, Kolnick? That
>should keep the crowd entertained.
and other spankings
http://www.nyx.net/~wmullin/lastword/1997/lw.0903
--
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
>Interested in oral, anal..
Yes, anal and Wider Sham, a perfect pair!
Heard you finally found some anal!!
Harry
"Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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> Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO
Debunkers in Massive Retreat.
>
> Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO
Debunkers in Retreat.
Holeflapper you are losing it. Zeiler has been in
a Hong Kong (or was it a Taiwan) jail for the past
7 or 8 years now. He has not posted for a long,
long time something that you should think
seriously about.
You and Zeiler both let your mouth override your
ass. He was just a lot smarter than you that's
all.
Harry
--
King of the Usenet Spooks
Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
>
>Interested in ... anal,
Didn't you find any yet??
MOST SENIOR WASHINGTON NEWSWOMAN TAKES ON UFOs
Reporter Covered 11 Presidents, Now Hits UFO Secrecy
On March 30, the internet UFO community was startled to learn of a news
story from senior Washington correspondent Sarah McClendon, titled "Lid Coming
Off Government Cover-up on UFOs."
Ms. McClendon is the oldest working journalist covering the Washington
political scene today. While still a rookie reporter, she joined the White
House and Washington Press Corps in 1944 and then founded her own McClendon
News Service, which has been in continuous operation since 1946. She has
covered every U.S. president from FDR to Clinton, as chronicled in her recent
book, "Mr. President, Mr. President." Among her many unique accomplishments,
McClendon crashed the gender barrier at the National Press Club when she
became its first woman member in 1971.
In her more than fifty years of active reporting, Sarah McClendon has
championed many causes, including women's rights, the homeless, civil rights,
children's rights and veteran's rights. One recognition of her efforts is the
new Sarah McClendon House for homeless veteran women in Washington, D.C.,
recently announced by the Department of Veteran's Affairs and dedicated at a
ceremony at the National Press Club on February 28, 1998.
It is rare for a journalist of McClendon's stature to put her name to a story
about the reality and political significance of UFOs. But one of McClendon's
longest-running passions is to reduce secrecy in government. When she recently
heard evidence of official UFO secrecy, she decided to write about it.
Excerpts from her March 30 story follow:
"Unidentified Flying Object, a term given for many years to unexplained
sightings of craft in the skies over every state in the Union, are actual
visitors from other worlds, believe a community of scientists and technicians
employed by the government.
"The real danger to the U.S. and perhaps this whole planet is the government
has placed such a heavy blanket of secrecy upon this issue. So much secrecy,
those in government who have knowledge showing UFOs are identifiable feel the
subject cannot be discussed by those in the know without serious
repercussions. Others are afraid their friends and co-workers will think they
are crazy if they even so much as insinuate that UFOs are identifiable as
manned craft from outside the earth. This particularly applies to newspaper
editors and publishers, reporters and analysts. Thus the U.S. is denying
itself the chance to learn more about UFOs or to encourage research despite
the fact the U.S. stands to gain from such discussions.
"Not publicized but true is that the Clinton administration, soon after coming
to office, had many briefings on the subject. Laurence [sic] Rockefeller
provided the information for the President and Mrs. Clinton. Others provided
documents and verbal briefings to presidential advisors Jack Gibbons
(science), Bruce Lindsay (personal), Anthony Lake (national security) and Vice
President Albert Gore.
"Now the lid on UFOs is gradually coming off. There is a national drive
underway to get one million signatures on a petition calling for an open
Congressional hearing for governmental employee witnesses...
"Another who feels that positive proof exists within government is Lt. Col.
Philip J. Corso (retired), who reveals in a recent book, 'The Day After
Roswell,' that he was in charge of the Roswell files during his tenure as head
of the Army's Foreign Technology Division... After the Roswell incident, the
Air Force replied to reporters' inquiries that this was all part of research
using weather balloons and other equipment. Corso and hundreds of others who
work or have worked in secret defense and scientific agencies are willing to
swear under oath that alien craft are repeatedly penetrating our airspace."
CNI News editor Michael Lindemann interviewed Sarah McClendon by phone on May
25, 1998. Here are excerpts from that interview:
ML: Sarah, I'm sure you realize that many people were surprised when you
started writing about UFOs.
SM: Well, I'm no expert on UFOs. I came across a news story and I wrote it.
I'm no advocate, I'm not into the movement on UFOs, I'm just a reporter.
ML: Had you ever reported on UFOs before?
SM: Yes, I had, when I was in Texas as a reporter many years ago, before I
came to Washinton. I used to get reports of sightings every now and then in
East Texas. I was working on the Tyler Morning Telegraph and the Tyler
Courier-Times at that time. We used to get sightings and I always wrote them
up.
ML: That was right at the beginning of your career, right?
SM: That's right. And anything that's newsy and different, whether it's a
cause or whether somebody else thinks it ought to be secret or not, if I think
it's news, I write it.
ML: Do you think there's a UFO cover-up in the government?
SM: In the government? I think the Air Force... When I was covering the
Roswell case from Washington, I was the correspondent for the El Paso Times,
and that was the biggest paper in New Mexico. [Note: El Paso, Texas, just over
the border from New Mexico, apparently circulated its daily newspaper widely
in New Mexico at that time -- ed.] We covered the Roswell matter from
Washington. I was quite sure the Air Force was lying when they said it was
only a weather balloon.
ML: That was your opinion back in 1947?
SM: Oh yes.
ML: Of course, a lot of things have happened since then, and we still don't
know quite what happened at Roswell.
SM: I have no understanding or appreciation for why there seems to be so much
secrecy around UFOs. It's disgusting. And a lot of the secrecy seems to be
imposed by some of the greatest advocates of the UFOs. If they wouldn't be so
secretive about it, just bring it out and start talking about it, let
everybody talk about it, it would be a lot better.
ML: When you say some of the biggest advocates, who are you referring to,
exactly?
SM: When I say advocates, I mean some of the people who are interested in the
UFO movement, are writing about it and talking about it all the time.
ML: And you say these people are being secretive?
SM: Many of them act as if they're frightened to talk about it.
ML: Oh, frightened. I understand....
SM: They don't talk about it. And they keep things secret about it. I lecture
them very strongly on that.
ML: Can you tell me who you're talking about here?
SM: No. I'm not going to give you my sources on these things.
ML: OK, fine. Do you see yourself pursuing this particular story any more?
SM: Yes, I have an excellent interview I've already done that we've got to
transcribe and try to get out today, if we can get it out with all the filing
and other things we have to do.
ML: This is another UFO-related story?
SM: Yes. There are at least two follow-ups I want to make.
ML: This to me is very important, and I'd like CNI News to be on your list of
recipients for those stories.
[McClendon agreed and took down contact information for CNI News. As of
deadline for the June 1 issue, we have not received notice of her next story.
Whenever that text is received, CNI News will report it -- ed.]
SM: I will welcome the day when we're through with all this foolishness about
secrecy and hush-hush and scared-to-talk on UFOs and can just talk.
ML: I agree. I know you've covered the secrecy angle on many different topics.
SM: I certainly do, and I hate it. I'm an enemy of secrecy.
ML: You mentioned Lt. Colonel Philip Corso in your recent story. Have you ever
talked to Corso?
SM: I knew him when he was working with the Senate for various and sundry
committees. That's when I dealt with him.
ML: You actually knew him back then?
SM: That's right.
ML: Did he ever say anything to you about UFOs back then?
SM: None of us were at all interested in that. We talked about issues that
were up in the Senate.
ML: This is when he was on the staff of Senator Strom Thurmond?
SM: Yes. I covered a lot of Strom Thurmond stories.
ML: Can you tell me any more about how you reported the Roswell story back in
1947 when you were with the El Paso newspaper?
SM: I was asked by my paper, the El Paso Times, to follow it up in Washington,
get the Washington angles of it, which of course meant going right to the Air
Force, which I did.
ML: Apart from instinctively not believing the Air Force story, did you ever
find any information that gave you the clear impression that they were hiding
something more important?
SM: I wasn't that interested to follow it up. I had so many other things to
work on.
ML: OK. But now, it seems, you're going to continue this UFO inquiry of yours.
SM: I am, whenever I come across some news. I have a very good interview right
now that may shock some people.
ML: Since you're going to send me the interview anyway, may I ask who it's
with?
SM: Just wait til you get it.
ML: OK, fine. Thank you very much for taking the time to talk with CNI News.
SM: Call me any time.
Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
>Interested in ... anal
I would suspect all that "anal" activity is hard on, the rare end!!
But if you like it Wider, you like it!!
Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry, or even making a lick
of sense!
Sage advice by John F. Schuessler
Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least useful
aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers. Debunkers are experts at
the use of disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda. They provide prosaic
explanations for everything. If the first story gets challenged, they simply
generate another story and do not even apologize for changing their position. No
information or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them.
Truth, honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of
operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real
investigations.
Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that they do not
feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very frustrating to the
ufologists that conduct extensive investigations, record every little detail of
a UFO incident, assemble statistics, maintain vast databases, and probably most
of all, respect the good and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.
Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they understood
why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best described in The Argument
Culture, a book by Georgetown University professor Deborah Tannen. These
machinations are an example of what the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls
"agonism" or "programmed contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to
disagreement, conflict, or vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.
Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our students, conduct our classes and
our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print are all driven by our
ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry is a metaphorical battle.
Following from that is a second assumption, that the best way to demonstrate
intellectual prowess is to criticize, find fault, and attack." Further, she
says: "Many aspects of our academic lives can be described as agonistic. For
example, in our scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework
that requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's, which we
prove wrong.
The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even misrepresent
others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a generally reasonable work
appear less so; and ignore facts that support other's views, citing only
evidence that supports our own positions."
This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness." There is
much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few words, I believe
Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating technique used by most
debunkers. With this information in mind, it is fairly obvious that we are stuck
with a continuing tirade by the debunkers and it will continue until they all
die off. They are unable to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.
Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers game.
Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and unethical. It puts
an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances, comparing and contrasting
different interpretations of a particular work, and gaining a deeper and more
accurate understanding of the material. It kills the quest for open-minded
inquiry.
Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be stressed by
the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to be provoked by a
debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was actually Venus when everyone
knows that Venus was not visible at the time. A debunker's demand for "all of
your investigative files so I can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy.
They play on your ego by saying "I have never seen any credible evidence of a
UFO," hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them. Will
it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will not allow it.
If all else fails, they will claim it is your responsibility as an investigator
to respond to their demands. Don't fall for that ploy. Only you and the
organization you represent can define your responsibilities.
A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers is to
follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any interchange or
effort. If there is nothing to be gained from responding to them, then don't do
it. Apply your energies where they will make a difference. Don't play their
game. It takes two to make a game and if you do not respond to their
provocation, then they do not have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
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"Science of Not Knowing" by John E. Mack, M.D.
Despite official skepticism and even cynicism in media, government, and
scientific circles, it must be evident to many Americans that something
extraordinary-at least from the standpoint of the Western worldview-is going on.
No conventional explanation for the thousands of reported cases of encounters
with alien beings has been sufficient, and this remains true in spite of the
fact that the experiencers themselves would, with rare exceptions, welcome any
explanation other than that they are being visited without their permission by
humanoid creatures from another place.
Yet the debate that is devoted to the UFO abduction phenomenon remains focused
largely on the question of whether or not it is real in the strictly physical
sense. Some skeptics even claim or imply that, insofar as the physical evidence
for the reality of the phenomenon does not meet standards of scientific proof,
we can presume for practical purposes that it does not exist at all.
But what if the phenomenon were subtle in the sense that it may manifest in the
physical world, but derive from a source which by its very nature could not
provide the kind of hard evidence that would satisfy skeptics for whom reality
is limited to the material? If so, might we not be losing an opportunity to
learn and grow as a species by remaining so wedded to an epistemology of
physical proof?
What if, instead, we were to acknowledge that the abduction phenomenon is
intrinsically mysterious and, ultimately, beyond our present framework of
knowledge? What if we were to admit our puzzlement before this mystery?
Might not such an attitude of humility become, paradoxically, a way to enlarge
upon what could then be learned? Is it possible that adopting an open attitude
could result in greater knowledge not only about the physical aspects of the
phenomenon, but about numinous dimensions as well?
And might not this opening of consciousness enable us to learn of unseen
realities now obscured by our too limited epistemology, allowing us to
rediscover the sacred and the divinity in nature and in ourselves?
Harry
"House Widdershins" <sini...@concentric.net>
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> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:51:53 -0700, "Harry"
<hbo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >Howdy Holeflapper.
> >
> >"Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> ><nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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> >> Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/
UFO
> >Debunkers in Massive Retreat.
> >>
> >> Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/
UFO
> >Debunkers in Retreat.
> >
> >
> >Holeflapper you are losing it. Zeiler has been
in
> >a Hong Kong (or was it a Taiwan) jail for the
past
> >7 or 8 years now.
>
caught.
> How'd it happen?
You know how mouthy he was, he got mouthy with the
local police. There was some name calling and a
caning and he just up and disappeared while
working for the stock market folks over there. Of
course this is all hearsay you understand.
--
NSA/DIA/NRO
Super-spOOK
Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
Wider "Desperately Seeking Anal" Sham diatribes.
Hope you find what you're looking for!!
Maybe this will help you in your "search!"
BULL MUTILATION HAS EVIDENCE OF AIRCRAFT ACTIVITY
(NIDS)
Background:
On May 3, 1997 at approximately 11:30 PM, a NIDS investigator was
contacted regarding a report of an alleged mutilated bull at Arroyo Seco, New
Mexico near Taos. The NIDS investigator met the rancher on the morning of May,
4.
According to the rancher, he last saw the 11 month old bull, a
Hereford/Charolais cross, alive on Wednesday, April 30,1997. He discovered
the bull dead on the morning of May 1, 1997 and did not report it until
Saturday, May 3. The animal was found in a 4 acre lot adjacent to other
acreage which the owners use for pasture. The area where the animal was found
is a populated ranching area.
The rancher explained that he had home bred the young bull and had raised it
from birth. The 115 head of cattle are a residential herd which have been
bred for over 3 generations on the same ranch. He also stated that his cattle
are moved to Tierra Amarilla, NM during the summer. The rancher informed the
NIDS investigator that he never treats with insecticides and that the only
care the animal received was a 7-way vaccine, which includes protection
against blackleg, when he was 3 months old. Therefore, insecticides and
blackleg were provisionally eliminated as causes of death for this animal.
The rancher stated that he had not seen or heard any aircraft flying in the
area around the estimated time of death of the bull. However, other witnesses
testified that they had seen a green light flying in the area on the night of
the bull's death.
When the rancher first found the bull on May 1, 1997 he noticed a hole in the
rear of the bull and did not examine it any further, thinking that it had
died from bloat. Later the following day, the rancher's son noticed a quarter
sized hole on the right side of the animal's neck.
Examination of the area surrounding the bull:
Investigation indicated that something had caused turbulence in the area
near the dead animal as cow chips and other debris were overturned. It
appeared that some type of heavy mechanical object had made indentations 150
feet south of where the bull was found. The absence of other tracks further
away led to the hypothesis that the object had been airborne and had landed
near the animal. Tracks resembling gouge marks, sometimes containing "V"
shaped indentations, proceeded to where the carcass lay. These gouge marks
appeared to emanate from the object to the animal and then returned to the
object. The gouge marks were 5-6" deep in some places and appeared to have
uprooted the grass. The NIDS investigator had seen similar ground markings
near a mutilation in Dulce, New Mexico on April 24, 1978. The animal in that
case was also an 11 month old Hereford/Charolais cross.
Examination of the animal:
The young bull, weighing approximately 400 pounds, was lying on its left
side facing North at the corner of a 4 acre pasture near the fence. The
tongue was missing; it had been cut out by the root. This was confirmed by
cutting into the back of the mouth. The right eye was missing and a quarter
sized hole on the right side of the neck was seen, which appeared by visible
inspection to contain smooth edges. The margins were consistent with having
been cut with a sharp object. The penis and the testicles were removed
through the rear of the animal and the scrotum was intact. The anus was
missing, but appeared to have been damaged by scavengers.
The NIDS investigator then skinned the area on the neck around the 1"
diameter hole and noticed a cavity in the underlying tissue of about 5" in
diameter. There was charring on the margins of the hole, the flesh appeared
blackened, suggestive of it having being burnt. In addition, a yellow powdery
substance could be seen in the hole and surrounding it.
The bull was rolled over onto its right side and after completely skinning
the left side of the animal severe hemorrhaging was found on the back and on
the left front leg. The hemorrhaging was similar to two other cases
investigated by NIDS in New Mexico: Red River on February 22, 1997 and the
Arroyo Hondo, on April 17, 1997. In addition, more of the yellow powdery
substance, which the investigator sampled, was found near the scrotum area.
Due to the extent of the decomposition no tissue samples were taken.
The 5" diameter hole in the neck, although not seen before in cases
investigated in New Mexico, was seen by a Colorado sheriff who informed the
NIDS investigator that it had been discovered in animal mutilations in
Trinidad, CO. Yellow powdery substance of similar appearance had also been
seen by the same sheriff in Colorado.
This preliminary report will be updated as more information becomes
available.
Garry Bryan
: "House Widdershins" <sini...@concentric.net>
But it should be a simple matter to find the truth since we know Brian Zeiler
exists. . .
Garry
Harry
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Really? You want to prove that statement?
Harry
Ob-1
That is another of many showing that the military (special command) took over
the "cattle mutilation" schtik when the MEUE made their intra dimenionsl split!
(circa late 1978) B-0b1
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