Anyone Who Believes In UFO's Is Gay
Harlow Campbell
big time cock.
Thanks
Boomerlake
>Anyone who believes in alien visitation to this planet is gay and sucks
>big time cock.
>
Well, I guess only you would know.
Stephen Peterson
"Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<GIGGLES>
no end. So if we are here why not someone out there? and why not visit?
Don't you visit others too?
Think about it.
<giggles>
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Ugly Bob
"<GIGGLES>" <pikafi...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> May I say this .. Space is never ending. Where there is no beginning
there's
Please post evidence that space is never ending.
> no end. So if we are here why not someone out there? and why not visit?
> Don't you visit others too?
> Think about it.
Why, because you haven't?
-Ugly Bob
<GIGGLES>
"Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Griffin
> May I say this .. Space is never ending. Where there is no beginning there's
> no end. So if we are here why not someone out there? and why not visit?
> Don't you visit others too?
> Think about it.
> <giggles>
Why not, indeed.
No one has seriously proposed a means by which "they" could
drop in on us or a way we could go out there and find them.
Within our current state of knowledge of the universe, it
isn't possible. "Their" knowledge could be vastly greater,
but that's pure speculation. That brings us to the real
question: Why would they bother to visit us? If "they"
are out there, they're busy visiting each other.
Are you sexually disoriented, as Campbell suggested? I don't
think so, since you didn't echo that silly "homophobic" nonsense,
and I suspect that most alien visitation believers are otherwise
normal. I'm just asking for the hell of it.
By the way, I hope you and Peterson aren't confused by finding
my comments under yours, i.e., in the logical place.
> "Stephen Peterson" <ste...@peterson74.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> > SO what's a nice homophobic like you doing in this NG ? Big Boy?
> > "Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > Anyone who believes in alien visitation to this planet is gay and sucks
> > > big time cock.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
WYSIWYG
"Harlow Campbell" <harlowc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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jeff g.
> "<GIGGLES>" <pikafi...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:mIC09.524$Z5.2...@news1.telusplanet.net...
> > May I say this .. Space is never ending. Where there is no beginning
> there's
>
> Please post evidence that space is never ending.
I put some shit in the basement, underneath the stairs, and behind the boxes
with the Christmas ornaments. Every goddamn time I go back there, it seems
the stuff I want is farther and farther back there. Therefore, space is
expanding, and ultimately never-ending.
THIS .... is my evidence. And it's at least as good as anything Holeflapper
has ever posted.
Ugly Bob
> Prove that it does end and then I will believe it does .
You're the one making the claim. Give evidence or
endure loss of credibility. It maters not to me.
-Ugly Bob
Ugly Bob
"jeff g." <whiz...@interaccessssss.com> wrote in message
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<Giggle> ;-)
Laughing Last
Don't you get tired of answering your own sock puppet's posts?
>
Laughing Last
Griffin) wrote:
>I don't
>think so, since you didn't echo that silly "homophobic" nonsense,
>and I suspect that most alien visitation believers are otherwise
>normal. I'm just asking for the hell of it.
I bet some of them pick their noses. I wonder if that means aliens don't
exist?
Laughing Last
Alice
Laughing Last <w...@sss.sss> wrote in message news:3d45aca0...@news.erols.com...
you are weird!
jeff g.
Laughing Last? Is that what the Kook is calling herself now? I'm blocking all the erols
stuff again, so what the hell.
Is she still claiming to be her ex-husband, or did she dump that angle already?
Alice
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/the_universe/Hflow.html&edu=high
Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:LEN09.674005$352.140855@sccrnsc02...
Ugly Bob
"Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
implies that it has limits.
-Ugly Bob
Alice
Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:o6V09.677670$352.140741@sccrnsc02...
unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
jeff g.
Worse than weird. She now claims to be her own ex-husband, after months of claiming her
husband was long gone, the victim of alien mind control. So each half of her personality
says the other is mind-messed. Which one do we believe? I choose neither.
BTW, does that make her a hermaphrodite? From what I hear, she's big enough to BE two
people.
Ugly Bob
If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both.
-Ugly Bob
Ugly Bob
"jeff g." <whiz...@interaccesssss.com> wrote in message
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> Alice wrote:
>
> > Laughing Last <w...@sss.sss> wrote in message
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> > > On 27 Jul 2002 21:35:20 -0700, theonetru...@hotmail.com (John
> > > Griffin) wrote:
> > >
> > > >I don't
> > > >think so, since you didn't echo that silly "homophobic" nonsense,
> > > >and I suspect that most alien visitation believers are otherwise
> > > >normal. I'm just asking for the hell of it.
> > >
> > > I bet some of them pick their noses. I wonder if that means aliens
don't
> > > exist?
> > >
> >
> > you are weird!
>
> Worse than weird. She now claims to be her own ex-husband,
How much alimony does she pay herself, I wonder?
Sir Orthur
>Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
>unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
You Don't Have To 'Believe' In UFOs Any Longer By James Neff
<webm...@sightings.com> 5/28/00
Whenever I hear the question "do you believe in UFOs?" there often arises an
instant feeling of frustration which quickly rolls over into fatigue and a sense
of pity. To most of those who have devoted even a reasonable portion of time to
acquiring an understanding of the phenomenon, the term "belief" simply doesn't,
and should never, apply. To use this expression shoves the UFO over into the
category of religion or even fantasy, and nothing could be more inaccurate or
counter-productive. It takes absolutely no leap of faith, no mustering of
imagination or whimsy for any rational mind to realize what is already a proven
reality: UFOs exist and are as real and the
Pacific Ocean or the Rocky Mountains (and may have been here just as long). The
simple fact of the matter is, UFOs (and whatever may be INSIDE them) are a real,
verified and massively documented phenomena ... but much of our culture and
language perpetuate and cling to the erroneous notion that we're dealing with
some kind of specter or myth.
One might 'believe' in fire-breathing dragons or fairies ... yet, there is no
evidence whatever that either of these exist. However, one need only look at the
facts now in evidence to see that 'flying saucers' (not merely "unidentified
flying objects") do, indeed, exist. Those who know UFOs are 'real' need to make
a serious effort to cease using and condoning that negative terminology of doubt
inspired by our disinformation-driven culture. "Are you aware of UFOs?" (i.e.,
"have you been educated on the existence of flying saucers?") should have
replaced "Do you believe in UFOs?" in both text and conversation long ago. We no
longer are soliciting people to 'believe'. Instead, we are (or should be) asking
the uninformed to become educated to the facts. The issue of visitors to this
planet, wherever (or whenever) they originate, is as vital an issue as any world
geopolitical, religious, or economic affair or policy. In fact, it is probably
far more important.
It is simply a matter of education. The evidence we have for the existence of
unidentified flying machines, even if we toss out all photographic evidence and
all abduction accounts or close encounter experience testimonies from the most
reliable, credible civilian experiencers, is...massive. Even if we dismiss the
most credible testimony and eyewitness accounts, the evidence is...enormous.
What remains is a nearly a century of 'expert' interaction with flying saucers
(and other shaped craft) under extremely scientific, verifiable, and examinable
circumstances. I am speaking of the countless military and commercial pilot
interactions with these remarkable, unknown machines, in situations where often
entirely empirical testing of data has been recorded. One could not ask for a
much better 'test lab' for the UFO phenomenon than in the cockpit of a military
fighter or commercial airliner.
In both situations there are one, or more, specialists in the field of
atmospherics and aerodynamics in a 'flying laboratory,' well-equipped with
scientifically-approved and understood instrumentation which can record and note
verifiable time frames, locations, altitudes, longitudes, latitudes of the UFO
phenomena. Additionally, and obviously, there is also (in countless cases)
verification by radar -- which constitutes a second 'laboratory' of qualified,
educated and capable specialists interpreting data. Apart from pilots in their
'flying laboratories' and their ground-based radar counterparts, there is now
also the testimony of astronauts who are increasingly detailing UFO evidence and
information outside of the stratosphere.
From these three sources alone, there exists undeniable proof of the 'flying
saucer.'
UFOs have entered practically every 'sensitive' international airspace, been
tracked on uncountable
civilian and military radars, been pursued by the finest and most advanced
flying machines on the
planet, eye-witnessed by our best trained pilots, even fired upon (or so
attempted) by pilots dating
all the way back to reports from WWI aviators over England. Our visitors have
been tracked at speeds exceeding all known propulsion or contemporary technology
and fully-defying the laws of *our* physics. Flying Saucers have on scores of
occasions brought military units, including our nuclear forces, to full alert
and then engaged those forces in what appear to be tests of our technological
capacity. Flying Saucers of gargantuan size have been seen at close range by
both civilian and military professionals and verified by radar...both ground and
airborne. Some would even say our visitors have taunted and played with our
military...the reports of incursions into our SAC bases being particularly
extraordinary.
Millions of dollars are spent every year by air force units around the world
from every advanced
nation to intercept these aerial interlopers. Countries do not spend that kind
of money chasing
Venus, 'heat inversions' or entertaining myths. To suggest so is simply
preposterous. The information and data, mountains of it, from these civilian and
military aviation and defense specialists regarding the UFO match or exceed the
information we have from "less than expert" civilian eyewitnesses of UFOs, and
only serves to validate and support public accounts of UFOs and/or interactions
with them. We accept without reservation the existence of atomic and subatomic
particles which only a privileged handful of experts in that field of study have
ever 'seen' with the most advanced special instrumentation.
Granted, there is far more 'scientific' data and knowledge of atomic and
subatomic particles than
exists for flying saucers -- but data is data, and evidence is evidence -- and
we have no trouble in trusting and being dependent upon the experiences and
veracity of the physicists and scientists
involved. We accept the reality of these all but invisible atomic and sub-atomic
structures with no
hesitation. And yet with the flying saucer, we are not dealing with 'invisibles'
at all. At best, one must define the flying saucer as transitory, difficult and
evasive -- but nonetheless, a real part of our physical universe. Unlike the
atomic particle which is governed by laws already understood, or well on the way
to being understood within the sheer mechanics of the universe itself and its
conditions and measures, the UFO has behind it an intelligence of its own. We
can no more easily reach out and snatch a flying saucer for examination than we
can ball lightning... yet, both exist. (There is strong indication our military
has had examples of UFO technology ...and its flight crews...for more than a
half century, but that is another subject altogether).
Our public sector scientific evaluation of the flying saucer is therefore more
akin to hunting a
rare and highly-advanced species of animal formerly classified as
'cryptozooligical' but now definitely reclassified as 'authentic' due to the
sheer weight of verifiable and coherent data from experts. Like the Tasmanian
Tiger, we now know they "are"... but to capture one for more advanced study
proves to be essentially impossible.
Ours or 'theirs'?
It does appear that the U.S. military has developed craft with similar
appearance and capabilities as
some 'flying saucers' (as reported by many reasonable and credible individuals).
However,
history shows us that the flying saucer has been coming and going on planet
earth for generations,
and centuries, which rules out the idea that all flying saucers are manmade
craft of a clandestine
technology. Considering these realities, our language regarding UFOs should
cease, immediately, to reflect the elements of myth, legend or fantasy, and
fully embrace its definitive reality, helping to bring in a new cultural era
regarding the UFO. We must each arm ourselves with these most primary facts when
dealing with those uneducated, prepared to give a rational defense of the
subject. There is absolutely no reason to ever feel awkward about the issue
simply because others are poorly-educated about the facts. And educating them at
every opportunity is paramount. The reality of
UFOs is such that its implications require every human being to become as aware
of it as their
individual mental and emotional limits will allow. Our place in the universe is
likely to be defined
by this very subject, be it a truth we are ready to receive or a lie we are
miserably destined to
suffer.
Either way, we don't "believe" in UFOs. No faith is required. It is not a
religion or occult pseudo
science. It is a reality. What we do with that reality is now squarely on the
table.
A Rebuttal by Jim Foreman; Editor, The Skeptic Report
His rebuttal is published as follows...
OK, we'll grant that UFOs (in this, we mean Unidentified Flying Objects) do
exist. There are strange things in the sky that people see and then report to
their local branch of MUFON. Maybe these objects are vehicles, or are at least
unnatural phenomena built by intelligent species. Some of
them. Maybe. Does this mean that those few that are actually physical,
manufactured objects made by humans? Probably. Does this mean that they're
created by aliens? Absolutely not. Other than grainy photographs, radar ghosts
and eyewitness testimony (which is always highly questionable...ask any lawyer)
I am not aware of anything empirical or scientific. Simply noting that something
is there, flying around, or might be flying around, in no way proves (or even
logically suggests) that it is an alien spacecraft.
There's no evidence for any of that at all. There are also some pretty cool
accounts of vampires, but close examination by scientists familiar with body
decay and pathology have shown that vampires probably weren't supernatural.
Thus, historical accounts can't be trusted without modern analysis.
What really saddens us about the flavor of this whole article is the tendency
for the people responsible for the dissemination of UFO information to wholly
embrace the scanty evidence
for Unidentified Flying Objects and then similarly assume, without any
corroboration, that the objects are alien in origin. That's inexcusable,
unscientific, and just plain unfair.
Reply
I love a skeptic, and consider myself one. A big one. It takes a lot to convince
me of anything. I'm
not even sure you are real, Jim :) You write:
"This article basically extols the virtues of UFO worship, though he devotes the
article to
damning that anyone could "believe" in UFOs at all.
God forbid ANYONE "worships" UFOs as you claim I have encouraged! My entire
point is that the UFO is undeserving of such mentality... because of the weight
of evidence.
Now, allow me to defend myself only on two points, the rest of which I'll leave
to the readers to
evaluate using that wonderful gray matter between their ears. My admonition: BE
SKEPTICAL. That's the entire point. EDUCATE yourself on the facts. Once the
facts are in evidence, you will come to the same conclusion. Either that, or,
turn in denial and ignore the truth.
(1) I make it very clear that we have in no way defined the ORIGINS of the UFO;
this has NOT been verified or proven -- admittedly it is entirely speculative
that they are "alien" craft from other
planets or 'outer space'. But what I DO say is that since these craft have been
recorded historically
dating far beyond our own industrial revolution, much less the invention of
manned flight, we can
surmise that these are not all "ours" (ie, man made craft). You immediately
debunk this idea. Well,
history is on my side here. Anyone can crack a Bible and read about Ezekiel's
UFO experience...
anyone can read the Upanishads of the Hindu's and read about 'air cars' powered
by an energy source called 'sidis'... and if one really wants to educate oneself
on the true history of UFOs, you
can read quite a lot in this excellent NIGHTWATCH article entitled "UFOs Through
The Ages...A
Timeline." Because human beings have been describing this same phenomena for so
many centuries persuades me that the phenomena is at the very least not a
production of modern technology. It remains to determine what they are, where
they come from, etc. So we are in agreement -- your
first statement is:
"OK, we'll grant that UFOs (in this, we mean Unidentified Flying Objects) do
exist. There are strange things in the sky that people see and then report to
their local branch of MUFON. Maybe these objects are vehicles, or are at least
unnatural phenomena built by intelligent species."
(2) My second point is to rise to your challenge of proof that the military/air
forces around the world spend millions of dollars dealing with the UFO
phenomena. These events are on record. Stanton Friedman and many other
researchers have amassed such data, and this is nothing new or earthshaking (to
the UFO educated). Iraqi & Israeli Air Force, as well as the French government,
have been entirely open about their UFO encounters. Several of our own
astronauts have openly told about their encounters with UFOs when in the Air
Force. Major Donald E. Kehoe spent the latter part of his life documenting such
cases provoked by personal experience. Filer's Files frequently and archivally
have records of such events. These aren't buried someplace! They've been known
to anyone wanting to learn about it for years. Do you have any idea how much it
costs to send your best fighters after a radar detected interloper traveling at
3000 mph over sensitive airspace (only to close in on it and discover it's not a
missile, but a silver disc with brilliant lights playing cat and mouse)? Any
person in the air force will confirm this fact: it costs millions, even if it
only happens a few times a year. This website is overflowing with these cases
and accounts, as are many others. The documentation is openly available. The
witnesses, expert. The accounts, verified.
I will not defend the idea that UFOs are proven to be alien spacecraft. I don't
know what they are. I simply know they 'ARE' and that historically the evidence
for their existence reveals that, whatever their origin, it is entirely
unrelated to our own technological status here on earth. Hence, it is not a
"belief" system. It is a rational assembly of facts with a reasonable
conclusion. Flying Saucers
(and other shapes and forms of this same aerial phenomena) EXIST. They being of
extraterrestrial origin is, indeed, a speculation; as is, a metaphysical
conclusion; as is a phenomenon of nature. My personal speculation, based on the
evidence, is that these are craft with intelligent occupants and/or guided by
intelligent means which is not human; there is ample evidence of intelligent
control behind these devices.
As I said, what we do with this reality is squarely on the table. I appreciate
your skeptical prodding's. Keeps me on my toes :)
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Geekatron <spam...@geekatron.com> wrote on 9/5/0
At least he said something that will help this newsgroup and its readers.
Unlike your.. erm.. I don't even want to call post.
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Andreas Klokkaris <an...@spidernet.com.cy> responded on 9/5/00
Excellent post man!
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Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer A.S.A. replied:
Thank you for your very insightful compliment.
This will put every debunker to shame,
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Andreas Klokkaris <an...@spidernet.com.cy> added:
Hm...I wouldn't bet on it. Believe me I've tried it in the past with posts
similar to the one you posted. Debunkers don't seem to have the word shame (or
defeat) in their vocabulary. They are weird beings, really. My advice: Ignore
them until they rot! Haha
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Sir Arthur Wholeflaffer A.S.A. again:
Now we know the five stages of the UFO debunker:
anger, denial, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
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Andreas Klokkaris <an...@spidernet.com.cy> wrote:
Well said, but you can sum it all up with the following cutie that's been around
the net lately:
"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is
violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being -- Arthur Schopenhauer
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Sir Orthur
>Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
>unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
You Don't Have To 'Believe' In UFOs Any Longer By James Neff
Sir Orthur
>Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
>unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
You Don't Have To 'Believe' In UFOs Any Longer By James Neff
Sir Orthr
>
>Worse than weird. She now claims to be her own ex-husband...
Please leave these groups and take the rest of your Cult of
Useful Idiots with you. This is a research group and really
nobody cares what you do with the "others!"
Again - Leave these groups, you obviously are a troll
or a wannabee spOOk.
MONARCH Programming : Another Day Care Scandal
*********************
These are two news articles briefly describing the Westpoint Army Daycare
Case. The 1991 article describes the final outcome.
_The Times Herald Record_Dec.23, 1986
Liability in Point abuse case debated
by Rose Marie Arce
For the first time in open court, lawyers argued over whether the
federal government can be sued for abuse suffered by children at the
West Point day-care center. During the hearing in federal district
court in Manhattan yesterday, lawyers for both the government and the
11 child plaintiffs agreed that some children were sexually abused at
the center two years ago. The argument, however, was over whether the
federal government was responsible for the children's safety.
The parents of the children are fighting a motion to dismiss a
$110 million lawsuit filed against the government on behalf of the
children. The lawsuit charges that day-care center teachers and other
employees sexually abused the children at the West Point Child
Development Center in l984 with the help of two, male non-employees.
"I'm accepting the allegations of this case as true for this purpose,
"said Assistant U. S. District Attorney Robert Gaffey, arguing on behalf
of this motion to dismiss the civil lawsuit. He said injuries
"arising form assaults" by government employees are exempt from the
Federal Tort Claims Act.
U. S. District Court Judge Whitmann Knapp told the two lawyers that he
expected both would appeal his opinion-whatever that might be. Knapp
questioned Gaffey's argument. A decision is expected within the next
few weeks.
Knapp repeatedly reminded Gaffey that caring for the children "is an
absolute duty the government assumed the moment they took on care of
the children" If the government was negligent in fulfilling that
duty-allowing the assaults to occur-it can be held liable unlike cases
where the duty was created as the result of the assaults, Knapp said.
"It (the government) said: 'I will take care of your child'", Knapp told
Gaffey. But Gaffey insisted that "...assault, battery and false
imprisonment" led to the claim, freeing the government of liability
because of the assault exemption in the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Much of the plaintiff's arguments hinge on the fact that staffers allowed
the children to be taken from the day care center grounds by non-employees
against Army regulations. That would mean center supervisors were negligent,
allowing the assaults to occur by virtue of not fulfilling their duty
to care for the children.
"Before any of the intentional acts occurred the duty to the children was
breached when they were taken off the property", said William Crain,
attorney for the children. Crain told the judge he believed two male,
non-employees drove the children and abusers in a blue van to two
Highland Falls locations: James O'Neil High School and the home of one of
the abusers.
Crain appealed to the judge to let the case come to trial so he could serve
the six deposition notices the judge has stayed pending the outcome of
the oral arguments. "Don't turn these children away before I've had a
change to talk," he asked the judge. "A medical doctor has said she
(one of the children) was vaginally assaulted at the day care center", he
told Knapp.
"I don't even know exactly what M1 and M2 (two, male non-employees named as
defendants) did. I have 2- and 3-year-old witnesses,", said Crain, adding
he is sure his case will speak for itself if he can call the defendants
to the stand.
"What he's (Gaffey) saying is "Even if it's all true it doesn't matter,'"
Crain said later. Meanwhile, the five parents who came to hear the oral
arguments appeared relieved that there was finally some action in the
two-year-old case that has seen inconclusive inquiries by the FBI, a
U.S. attorney, a grand jury, and the Army.
"The thing that's interesting is that the assumption was that the children
were abused", said Major Bob Caslen, a parent. Another parent, Deidre Wright
said her daughter still looks up every time someone comes to the door.
"She wonders if it's the person that abused her,", she said. Mrs. Wright's
daughter was taken to the Keller Army Hospital emergency room in 1984 with
vaginal bleeding.
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_The Times Herald Record _6/11/91
West Point Day-care update
A legacy of Pain
Settlement doesn't ease Abused Children's Fears
by Douglas Cunningham and Alan Snel
WEST POINT--Seven years have passed since she was sexually abused at
West Point's child-care center. Yet today, the 10 year old girl can't
go to the bathroom without her mother waiting by the door.
The girl-who was 3 when West Point childcare workers were accused of
sexually abusing her and 10 other children in 1984. She also asks her
mother about whether she will be able to bear children when she grows
up.
"This happened seven years ago, and it's not any better," the girl's
mother said. "She's constantly asking, "What if we're out in the store,
Mommy, and we see these people? Are they going to hurt me? But this is
constantly on her mind because she knows these people are not in jail
for what they did."
In the U.S. District Court files in Manhattan, the West Point sexual
abuse case is resolved. The government failed in l985 to indict any
suspects in its criminal investigation. But last month, it settled a
civil suit brought by the parents of the 11 victims. Nine of the victims
will receive $2.7 million, with awards ranging from $25,000 to $625,000.
But even as the legal dust has settled, the case lingers as a legacy
of pain for the families.
"These people stole our children," the mother said, "She's nothing
like she used to be. She's a very angry little girl. She doesn't trust
anyone. She's nothing like she was before this happened.
"Its never going to be over for them, or for us."
The case began in l984 when allegations surfaced of sexual and physical
abuse of children at the West Point Child Development Center.
The incidents unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal
sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities
extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a
military base in San Francisco, parents charged.
The specter of satanism would later spur U.S. Military Academy officials
to change the West Point child-care center's building number from 666 to
673.
Despite 950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation,
an investigation led by former U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani produced no
federal grand jury indictments. The investigation did find "significant
indications that children may have been abused in the Center".
Until now, no official reports or investigations have verified the sexual
abuse. The Times Herald-Record, however, has learned that a still-secret,
independent report-prepared by one of the nation's top experts on child
sexual abuse-confirms the children's accusations of abuse. The report
also played a vital role in ending the seven-year legal ordeal and in
enabling the case to be settled without the children undergoing potential
hostile questioning on the witness stand, said U.S. District
Judge Whitman Knapp, who heard the civil case.
The expert, Dr. Ann Wolbert Burgess, a professor of psychiatric nursing
at the University of Pennsylvania at Philadelphia and the author of the
book, "Child Pornography and Sex Rings" entered the case in l989. She
interviewed all the children. She said yesterday that her goal in the case
had been to reduce harm to the children because testimony in open court
could have triggered symptoms of abuse, prompted by a "resurfacing" of the
original incident. Knapp said that because Burgess worked for neither the
government nor the plaintiffs, but reported directly to the court, her
findings carried additional credibility. Neither Burgess nor others would
speak about her specific findings.
"You can draw your own conclusions from the fact that the government paid
all this money," Knapp said about Burgess' report. "The government wouldn't
have likely paid that money unless the report gave them a basis for doing
that."
The families lawyer, William E. Crain, who now practices in Elkin, N.C.
and formerly worked in Newburgh, said the report is independent confirmation
of the children's claims. He received nearly $300,000 in legal fees in the
case. The amount, 25 percent of the settlement, is set by law. "Just
generally speaking, it corroborated the children's allegations they had
been sexually abused by day-care center staff," Crain said of the report.
"That report was sealed and has never been seen by anybody else and I hope
it never will be," Knapp said. "That has all the intimate details of what
happened to these children. Certainly, they don't want to be plagued by
that when they grow up."
The government, however, admitted none of the allegations in making the
settlement. Edward T. Ferguson III, the assistant U.S. attorney in charge
of the case, declined to comment on Burgess's role. He said that the
settlement was in the best interest of the children and did not require
them to testify in court. "Everyone involved-the parents, the government and
the court-all wished to avoid (the children taking the witness stand),
if an accommodation could be reached," Ferguson said.
Among other things, several of the settlements-made individually with
each child's family-provide for medical costs, counseling and a college
fund. The actual cost of the settlement is $1.175 million. Much of the
money will be invested and paid out during the victim's lives, thereby
increasing the total to $2.7 million. "They're children. They're going to
have to live with what happened to them. So are their parents," Crain said.
"But in terms of legal work, the legal end of it is finished"
***
Nancy Campbell-Capen's job began just four months ago. West Point hired
the New Jersey native to run its child-care program, including the center,
a red-brick building tucked on a hill between playing fields and a play
ground.
Ms. Campbell-Capen recalled talking about the sexual abuse case with her
boss and other center staffers.
"More people were reacting to the media coverage than the actual possible
event," Ms. Campbell-Capen said she was told.
The center serves 150 children - 80 percent from military families and
20 percent from civilian workers. There are 120 children on a waiting list
for the center that now complies with federal guidelines, which were
strengthened in 1989.
"They certainly tightened the old regulations," said Ms. Campbell-Capen,
who ran child-care centers at Army bases in Germany. "We discovered the
need to tighten up with staff training."
Only a handful of the center's 86 workers remain from the 1984 staff.
Ms. Campbell-Capen said the staff had no response to the lawsuit
settlement.
The center is trying to receive accreditation from the National Association
for the Education of Young Children.
The center's dedication to meeting child-care standards contrasts with
the way victims' parents were treated when they sought to alert West Point
and the military that their children had been sexually violated.
The army's reaction to the parents' plight so enraged former Army
Dr. Walter R. Grote that the ex-captain refused a promotion to major in
l985 because of the treatment of his child's sexual abuse case at West Point.
He was one of the first parents to file the lawsuit, but later dropped
out of seeking money from the case. "Unfortunately, money can't..undo the
trauma incurred by scores of children at West Point..because people with
responsibility didn't exercise that responsibility," said Grote, now in
private practice in New Jersey, "What the hell is a settlement?...They could
have caught these people doing it at the time that they were doing it."
"We have a tendency to think that everything that's evil and bad is on
the other side of the Pacific or Atlantic.
"And that's not the case."
The mother of the 10-yr-old said the settlement will pay her daughter's
college bills. But the mother said she would have preferred the government
kept its money and punished the abusers.
Without the prosecution, West Point has retained its polished national
image, she said. Even last month, the government admitted none of the
allegations in making the settlement, a reminder of what parents say was
WestPoint's callous denial.
"They wouldn't acknowledge what happened," the mother said, "I'm sure
if it was done anywhere else but West Point, it would have been acknowledged."
Another parent whose son was sexually abused recalled that the Army
was not prepared to treat satanic abuse.
"You had a bunch of kids who had some kind of abuse and the concerns
of the parents seeking assistance fell on deaf ears. The medical treatment
for the satanic abuse was not meeting the bill. It was far beyond what
(the Army) could handle," said Maj. Bob Caslen, an infantry officer stationed
at Fort Campbell, Ky.
Two teachers aides were suspended and later quit after the charges
surfaced.
After a federal grand jury failed to return indictments, community
members joined the parents in calling for another investigation in 1985.
Joan Benedict walked with parents at a protest in Highland Falls in
hopes of inspiring another probe. And she was a member of an Orange County
anti-pornography group that sponsored a forum to allow the victim's
parents to speak out in 1986.
Ms. Benedict said she used to pray and walk at West Point because of
the 189-year-old institution's majestic Hudson River views. But no more.
"When I saw the headlines of the child pornography ring at West Point,
it cut me to the heart," Ms. Benedict said. "I know West Point is only
surface beauty. They were outright cruel to the parents."
Ms. Benedict, a Town of Cornwall resident, started her own crusade to
spark the Justice Department to reopen the abuse case. She ended her
efforts in 1988 when she was convinced of a federal cover-up after receiving
a letter from the U.S. Department of Justice.
Mary C. Spearing, a special attorney with the Justice Department's
National Obscenity Enforcement Unit, wrote that the case was closed.
"Unfortunately, no new evidence, revelation or hint of wrongdoing
or negligence surfaced during our review," she wrote. She noted in her
letter that the assistant U.S. attorney on the case was a father of four
and that she had two children herself.
The monetary settlement, however, did not resolve the parents' bitterness
over what they still maintain was a botched FBI investigation. In fact,
court papers filed by parents showed federal investigators not only
refused to believe the children, but, in some cases, also criticized
some parents for not keeping their children under control in their homes.
"When the agents came to the house, they did not appear to have a tape
recorder and they were taking no notes during the interview," one parent
said in a sworn statement, according to 1984 court papers. "He became
annoyed and frustrated and said, 'It looks like she's just trying to
get attention.'"
Recalled Grote: "The tragedy is the abusers could have been caught...with
a little imagination and a lot less chauvinistic narcissism on the part
of West Point and the initial FBI investigator."
Prosecutor Giuliani did not return calls last week. In 1987, Giuliani
said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were
abused. The federal investigation cleared the center staff members accused
by the children.
The mother of the 10 yr old girl still tries to cope with the abuses'
aftermath. "As far as I'm concerned, the government gave them a license
to go out and abuse other children," the mother said. "I have to explain
to my daughter these people are still out there. And she still has
nightmares. She's afraid they're going to come through the window at night
to get her."
END ARTICLE
************
Alice
Alice <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:ai18m3$9t1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> it will Big Bang again!
>
> IOW, the Universe is a never-ending BEAT!
Skits O'Phrennia
"jeff g." <whiz...@interaccessssss.com> wrote in message
news:3D4373B8...@interaccessssss.com...
> Ugly Bob wrote:
boxes
> with the Christmas ornaments. Every goddamn time I go back there, it
seems
> the stuff I want is farther and farther back there. Therefore, space is
> expanding, and ultimately never-ending.
No it just means that you're getting fatter and fatter. Expanding like the
universe so to speak.
Skits
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Laughing Last
wrote:
Ah, so you pick your nose, or just wish you could pick your nose?
>
hughe
hughe
was a spaceship. We win you lose you stupid fool
hughe
Carl Wilson
wrote:
How can something expand (move beyond it's current limits) if it has
no limits to begin with?
Carl Wilson
wrote:
>Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
Which means that it must have limits.
Carl Wilson
wrote:
>
Alice is a prime example of "kook logic" in action....
Alice
Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote in message news:uqj9kugbepvqsrou9...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:48:41 +0100, "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
>
> Which means that it must have limits.
Idiots, only as far as it's size/expansion is concerned.
Didn't you get it!
Laughing Last
Looking for a black hole?
>
>
Alice
Alice <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:ai2v43$kte$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote in message news:uqj9kugbepvqsrou9...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:48:41 +0100, "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
> >
> > Which means that it must have limits.
>
> Didn't you get it! Then it will contract to its original
> state and the process will start all over again.
1. The Big Bang - The hot state/expansion
\ /
\ /
------ o ------
/ \
/ \
2. Big Crunch - The cooling state/contraction/condense
\ /
---- o ----
/ \
Then the process will start all over again....ad infinitum!
Alice
Laughing Last <s...@sss.sss> wrote in message news:3d4701fc...@news.erols.com...
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:40:25 +0100, "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Carl Wilson <ca...@kook-watch.net> wrote in message news:uqj9kugbepvqsrou9...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:48:41 +0100, "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
> >>
> >> Which means that it must have limits.
> >
> >Didn't you get it!
>
> Looking for a black hole?
>
>
Alice
Alice <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:ai30h5$l8c$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> The Condensed Agitated Egg/Nut! A never-ending loop!
The Birth of the Universe, The Death of the Universe, The Rebirth....
Harlow Campbell
> I believe and yes I am gay. Now on to your next amazing revelation....
So....You take it in the tailpipe?
Allow me to introduce you to Twonky....He's a queer as well.
Robert Wolfe
Didn't Albert Einstein have a theory that the universe was both bounded
AND infinite? Something about traveling in a straight line long enough
would bring you right back to where you started?
5. Einstein's General Theory of Gravitation
Three possibilities for universe
open (infinite and unbounded)
flat (infinite and unbounded)
closed (finite and unbounded)
It is generally believed today that the universe is "finite and
unbounded" with its closure remaining an open question. According to
Heinz R. Pagels, Perfect Symmetry: The Search for the Beginning of Time,
(New York: Bantam Books, 1986), p. 146
http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
"To retreat to the more basic, once again then, the cosmos of Einstein
is of uniform size, (static, that is, everywhere ) but is
perceived below
light speed (the "condition" of light internally) as dynamic.
While
Einstein's universe is finite and unbounded, it is also a place
in which
such concepts as certainty and impossibility, nothing and
everything;
infinity and zero, yes and no and black and white are possible-
at
any given frame of reference. I might add that for very good
reasons,
impossibility is a very BIG word even in an infinite universe!"
http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
http://darc.obspm.fr/~luminet/etopo.html
A finite space without edge
"The advocates of a finite world butted a long time against a
fundamental difficulty. It seemed essential to imagine a center and a
border to the world, but Archytas of Tarente, a pythagorician from Vth
century, raised a paradox aiming at showing the nonsense
of the idea of a physical edge of the world. Its argument knew a
considerable fortune in all the debates on space : " If I am at the
end of the sky, can I lengthen the hand or a stick? It is absurd to
think that I cannot ; and if I can , what is beyond is either a body,
or space. We can thus go beyond that still, and so on. And if there is
always a new space towards which one can tighten the stick,
that implies an extension without limits clearly ".
If" what is beyond the world" always formed part of the world, the world
cannot logically be limited without there being paradox! It
was necessary to await the development of the non-Euclidean geometries
in XIXth century to solve the controversy. These
geometries make it possible to conceive a space as finite but without
edge (just like, in two dimensions, the surface of a sphere).
This design is not so natural and confusion is still found today in a
number of minds; when, for example, a lecturer describes to a
popular audience the expansion of the universe, it is often seen raising
the question: in what the universe does inflate? The
question itself is a semantic non-sense, since there is no space apart
from itself ! But to really understand this, it should be
adopted a non-Euclidean mental framework."
http://darc.obspm.fr/~luminet/etopo.html
So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
every single comment made while having zero grasp concerning the topics
in question, or are you here to showcase your astute ability of
revealing that you have zero grasp concerning the topics in question?
...is it a 3 for the price of 1 deal?
Michael Davis
> Carl Wilson wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:27:51 GMT, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >news:ai18m3$9t1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >>
> > >> Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:o6V09.677670$352.140741@sccrnsc02...
> > >> >
> > >> > "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >> > news:ai10dp$mbd$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >> > > Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
> > >> >
> > >> > Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
> > >> > implies that it has limits.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Ugly Bob
> > >> Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
> > >> unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
> > >
> > > If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
> > >it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both.
> > >
> > > -Ugly Bob
> > >
> >
>
> Didn't Albert Einstein have a theory that the universe was both bounded
> AND infinite? Something about traveling in a straight line long enough
> would bring you right back to where you started?
No, kook. He said "finite but unbounded." That means that though the universe is
finite in size, it has no edges or end points. Damn, you are stupid.
> 5. Einstein's General Theory of Gravitation
>
> Three possibilities for universe
>
> open (infinite and unbounded)
> flat (infinite and unbounded)
> closed (finite and unbounded)
>
> It is generally believed today that the universe is "finite and
> unbounded" with its closure remaining an open question. According to
> Heinz R. Pagels, Perfect Symmetry: The Search for the Beginning of Time,
> (New York: Bantam Books, 1986), p. 146
>
> http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
The problems with citing this guy are that he is:
1. Not a physicist or cosmologist.
2. He had to self publish his own book on the internet, which makes the quality of
the material in the book suspect at best if he couldn't get it published as a real
book by a real publishing house.
3. On the very first page of his book he mixes up theories and facts.
These are not the signs that you are citing a real authority on the subject. You
seem to be suffering from Garrrrry disease, where you just cite whatever and
whoever you can find that is saying things that jibe with your preconceived
notions, rather than searching out people who really know what they are talking
about and have the credentials to prove it. Why don't you go direct to the source
and try reading Einstein himself if you want to know what Einstein said? Afraid it
will go straight over your kooky little head?
--- Snip ---
> So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
> every single comment made
I thought he was just correctly questioning some kooky and absolutely incorrect
statements made by the Erols fruitcake. Leave it to you to come charging into the
argument on the stupid side. If the universe is expanding then it *cannot* be
infinite in size. Hint: If the universe is going to be bigger tomorrow, then it
can't be infinite now. That's a fact. Now reason it out and see if you can grok
the simple logic that leads to that conclusion. I won't hold my breath waiting
since I suspect you are still working on reasoning out how to tie your shoes. Or
did you just give up in frustration on that problem and just settle for wearing
sandals?
> while having zero grasp concerning the topics
> in question,
Projection noted.
> or are you here to showcase your astute ability of
> revealing that you have zero grasp concerning the topics in question?
No, that would be you, Roberta. Massive projection noted!
> ...is it a 3 for the price of 1 deal?
You could give it away and still nobody would want it.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"Rick Boston got a kooky quote archive
and all I got was this lousy gender issue." R. Wolfe?
Delphi
> Anyone who believes in alien visitation to this planet is gay and sucks
> big time cock.
>
>
> Thanks
And what makes that you? A oversceptic bitch i think... if YOU don't
believe, why bothering others with your stupid statements...
Robert Wolfe
No "problem" with me pointing out that Albert felt this way?
> >
> > It is generally believed today that the universe is "finite and
> > unbounded" with its closure remaining an open question. According to
> > Heinz R. Pagels, Perfect Symmetry: The Search for the Beginning of Time,
> > (New York: Bantam Books, 1986), p. 146
> >
> > http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
>
> The problems with citing this guy are that he is:
>
> 1. Not a physicist or cosmologist.
Is Mikey Davis?
>
> 2. He had to self publish his own book on the internet, which makes the quality of
> the material in the book suspect at best if he couldn't get it published as a real
> book by a real publishing house.
Lots of people publish online. It's more cost effective. What
scientific research has Mikey Davis published?
>
> 3. On the very first page of his book he mixes up theories and facts.
To whom are you referring? Albert Einstein? You are the most vague
person i've ever conversed with.
>
> These are not the signs that you are citing a real authority on the subject. You
> seem to be suffering from Garrrrry disease, where you just cite whatever and
> whoever you can find that is saying things that jibe with your preconceived
> notions, rather than searching out people who really know what they are talking
> about and have the credentials to prove it. Why don't you go direct to the source
> and try reading Einstein himself if you want to know what Einstein said? Afraid it
> will go straight over your kooky little head?
Afraid I already mentioned Einstein's work above... It can be found
nearly everywhere.
>
> --- Snip ---
>
> > So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
> > every single comment made
>
> I thought he was just correctly questioning some kooky and absolutely incorrect
> statements made by the Erols fruitcake. Leave it to you to come charging into the
> argument on the stupid side. If the universe is expanding then it *cannot* be
> infinite in size.
If the universe is finite and "unbounded" there is no problem with it
expanding... IT'S UNBOUNDED, IDIOT.
Hint: If the universe is going to be bigger tomorrow, then it
> can't be infinite now.
I never said it was infinte, Mikey. I said you were infantile a few
times.. Perhaps you are mistaken?
That's a fact. Now reason it out and see if you can grok
> the simple logic that leads to that conclusion. I won't hold my breath waiting
> since I suspect you are still working on reasoning out how to tie your shoes. Or
> did you just give up in frustration on that problem and just settle for wearing
> sandals?
I prefer barefoot, if you MUST know, Mikey.
>
> > while having zero grasp concerning the topics
> > in question,
>
> Projection noted.
Nice pic in ABUF!
>
> > or are you here to showcase your astute ability of
> > revealing that you have zero grasp concerning the topics in question?
>
> No, that would be you, Roberta. Massive projection noted!
Why is it that you are backing up U.B.? He thinks that finite and
unbounded isn't even a possiblilty.
>
> > ...is it a 3 for the price of 1 deal?
>
> You could give it away and still nobody would want it.
Get a clue kook.
Why exactly, do you feel the need to crosspost to crop-circle NG's? Are
you a damn loon?
Michael Davis
But you didn't. You quoted some nobody who claimed Einstein felt this way. There's a
difference, kook.
> > >
> > > It is generally believed today that the universe is "finite and
> > > unbounded" with its closure remaining an open question. According to
> > > Heinz R. Pagels, Perfect Symmetry: The Search for the Beginning of Time,
> > > (New York: Bantam Books, 1986), p. 146
> > >
> > > http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
> >
> > The problems with citing this guy are that he is:
> >
> > 1. Not a physicist or cosmologist.
>
> Is Mikey Davis?
Nice attempt at "blurring." Did I ever claim to be? I don't need to be one to see that
the guy you are citing as an authority isn't one.
> >
> > 2. He had to self publish his own book on the internet, which makes the quality of
> > the material in the book suspect at best if he couldn't get it published as a real
> > book by a real publishing house.
>
> Lots of people publish online. It's more cost effective.
It's also the only hope for kooks who the real publishing companies won't touch. Anyone
can put anything on the web. That doesn't make them an authority on anything.
> What
> scientific research has Mikey Davis published?
More blurring noted. I made no claims of having been published.
> > 3. On the very first page of his book he mixes up theories and facts.
>
> To whom are you referring?
The same person I have been referring to, dork. Samuel A. Cox, the guy who wrote the
book you have been quoting from.
> Albert Einstein?
No, Samuel A. Cox. He's the guy you quoted, not Albert Einstein, moron.
> You are the most vague
> person i've ever conversed with.
You are projecting like a bad drive in movie, Roberta.
> >
> > These are not the signs that you are citing a real authority on the subject. You
> > seem to be suffering from Garrrrry disease, where you just cite whatever and
> > whoever you can find that is saying things that jibe with your preconceived
> > notions, rather than searching out people who really know what they are talking
> > about and have the credentials to prove it. Why don't you go direct to the source
> > and try reading Einstein himself if you want to know what Einstein said? Afraid it
> > will go straight over your kooky little head?
>
> Afraid I already mentioned Einstein's work above...
No, you mentioned Samuel A. Cox.
> It can be found
> nearly everywhere.
Except in your posts about Einstein apparently. I have a copy of "Relativity - The
Special and General Theory" by Albert Einstein himself on the desk beside me. Care to
cite a page number from the real source to back up your claims? I predict much blurring.
> > --- Snip ---
> >
> > > So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
> > > every single comment made
> >
> > I thought he was just correctly questioning some kooky and absolutely incorrect
> > statements made by the Erols fruitcake. Leave it to you to come charging into the
> > argument on the stupid side. If the universe is expanding then it *cannot* be
> > infinite in size.
>
> If the universe is finite and "unbounded" there is no problem with it
> expanding... IT'S UNBOUNDED, IDIOT.
Stupidity noted. I never said there was a problem with it expanding. I said it cannot be
infinite in size *if* it is expanding. Damn, your reading comprehension sucks.
> Hint: If the universe is going to be bigger tomorrow, then it
> > can't be infinite now.
>
> I never said it was infinte, Mikey.
Backpedal noted. You claimed it was a possibility when it clearly is not.
> I said you were infantile a few
> times.. Perhaps you are mistaken?
No, you were mistaken, infantile kook.
> That's a fact. Now reason it out and see if you can grok
> > the simple logic that leads to that conclusion. I won't hold my breath waiting
> > since I suspect you are still working on reasoning out how to tie your shoes. Or
> > did you just give up in frustration on that problem and just settle for wearing
> > sandals?
>
> I prefer barefoot, if you MUST know, Mikey.
Ok, you are too stupid to even figure out sandals noted.
> > > while having zero grasp concerning the topics
> > > in question,
> >
> > Projection noted.
>
> Nice pic in ABUF!
Which one, blur boy? You've made it in there several times.
> > > or are you here to showcase your astute ability of
> > > revealing that you have zero grasp concerning the topics in question?
> >
> > No, that would be you, Roberta. Massive projection noted!
>
> Why is it that you are backing up U.B.?
Um, because he is right?
> He thinks that finite and
> unbounded isn't even a possiblilty.
Please point out where he said that, Mr. Poor Reading Comprehension. What he actually
said was:
"Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
implies that it has limits."
and
"If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both."
Both statements are correct.
> > > ...is it a 3 for the price of 1 deal?
> >
> > You could give it away and still nobody would want it.
>
> Get a clue kook.
You first.
> Why exactly, do you feel the need to crosspost to crop-circle NG's? Are
> you a damn loon?
I just replied to your post. I didn't add that group. If there is a loony here cross
posting to the circle jerk groups then it must be you. HTH.
Murray Clark
every day.
Robert Wolfe
I cited him as an "authority"? Please show where:
I cited him because I thought that person might want credit for their
work.
> The Evil Michael Davis?
Robert Wolfe
>
> On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
>
> massive evasion noted :P
Massive cowardice NOTED.
Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
Oh I forgot... you're AFRAID to go to other people's web pages, since
they can glean so much info about you.
--
Robert M. Wolfe - IT Manager / Programmer / Webmaster
University of Pittsburgh - Center for Human Genetics
email://r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu - phone://412.383.7657
Robert Wolfe
>
> jof3r wrote:
> >
> > On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> > Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> >
> > massive evasion noted :P
>
> Massive cowardice NOTED.
>
> Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
p303-027.ppp.get2net.dk - - [29/Jul/2002:17:06:32 -0400] "GET
/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.1"
200 19386 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"
I guess he did...
Robert Wolfe
>
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > jof3r wrote:
> > >
> > > On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> > > Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> > >
> > > massive evasion noted :P
> >
> > Massive cowardice NOTED.
> >
> > Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
>
> p303-027.ppp.get2net.dk - - [29/Jul/2002:17:06:32 -0400] "GET
> /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.1"
> 200 19386 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"
>
> I guess he did...
EVADE THAT, J AKA: Anonymous Coward!
Not only are you a paranoid klown, you lied and went to my website
again!
Remember, J?
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=get2net.dk+%2Bjof3r
Robert Wolfe
>
> On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:00:39 -0400, it was decided that
> Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
>
> >jof3r wrote:
> >>
> >> On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> >> Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> >>
> >> massive evasion noted :P
> >
> >Massive cowardice NOTED.
>
What's your first name?
> Yours?
Nope. What are your credentials? What University did you attend?
You didn't address anything he said...you
> skipped all of the relevant points he made and went straight to the ad
> hominem.
What type of work do you do?
> But, that wasn't unexpected...
Pardon? Who are you?
>
> >Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
>
> No, I didn't.
Prove you didn't. What state do you live in? Why are you afraid to
answer any one of these simple questions?
>
> >Oh I forgot... you're AFRAID to go to other people's web pages, since
> >they can glean so much info about you.
>
> So, why not just post the file in the binary NG? After all, that's
> why it's there...
Why not whine because I didn't... oh... never mind.
Michael Davis
StOopid mop jockey! Why did you bother quoting him if you weren't citing him as an authority?
Did you just feel like wasting some bandwidth? You really do try to pass off some silly
excuses for your kookery, doncha?
Since you only chose to whine about this bit and evaded all the other points in my post, I'll
take it as your tacit acknowledgment that they are correct.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Robert Wolfe
How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
Michael Davis
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > Robert Wolfe wrote:
Talk to yourself much, kook? Maybe we (TINW) should start calling you alexa
instead of Roberta?
>
> > >
> > > jof3r wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> > > > Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> > > >
> > > > massive evasion noted :P
> > >
> > > Massive cowardice NOTED.
> > >
> > > Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
> >
> > p303-027.ppp.get2net.dk - - [29/Jul/2002:17:06:32 -0400] "GET
> > /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.1"
> > 200 19386 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"
> >
> > I guess he did...
>
> EVADE THAT, J AKA: Anonymous Coward!
>
When did J start using a dialup in Denmark? Snarf! Whadda moron.
> Not only are you a paranoid klown, you lied and went to my website
> again!
Looks more like you are lying about him going to your web shite. Damn, you are
stupid.
> Remember, J?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=get2net.dk+%2Bjof3r
Yeah, we (TINW) still remember that amusing bit of stupidity from you. I still
get a chuckle over it from time to time.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
John Lewis
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Michael Davis wrote:
<SNIP>
>>
>> 3. On the very first page of his book he mixes up theories and facts.
>
>To whom are you referring? Albert Einstein? You are the most vague
>person i've ever conversed with.
The patented Robert Wolfe tangent tactic in action: be deliberately
obtuse and try to change the subject.
>>
>> These are not the signs that you are citing a real authority on the subject. You
>> seem to be suffering from Garrrrry disease, where you just cite whatever and
>> whoever you can find that is saying things that jibe with your preconceived
>> notions, rather than searching out people who really know what they are talking
>> about and have the credentials to prove it. Why don't you go direct to the source
>> and try reading Einstein himself if you want to know what Einstein said? Afraid it
>> will go straight over your kooky little head?
>
>Afraid I already mentioned Einstein's work above... It can be found
>nearly everywhere.
Attempt number two of the above.
<SNIP>
========================
In easily verifiable claims, the person initiating
the claim normally assumes the burden of proof. Not
doing so, however, should probably not be considered
a fallacy. **The fallacy occurs whenever someone
shifts the burden of proof to avoid the difficulty of
substantiating a claim which would be very difficult
to support.**
San Jose State University online text
Robert Wolfe
>
> Michael Davis wrote:
>
> How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
Can I note evasion yet, dipshit?
Robert Wolfe
> ========================
> In easily verifiable claims, the person initiating
> the claim normally assumes the burden of proof. Not
> doing so, however, should probably not be considered
> a fallacy. **The fallacy occurs whenever someone
> shifts the burden of proof to avoid the difficulty of
> substantiating a claim which would be very difficult
> to support.**
>
> San Jose State University online text
So did you ever READ your little sigfile, John Lewis? Do you recall
initiating the claim that 450 or more DP witnesses were willing to lie
at a Congressional Hearing? Do you recall ANYBODY trying to shift the
burden of that claim instead of substantiating it? Someone *else* named
John Lewis, perhaps?
Michael Davis
> jof3r wrote:
> >
> > On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:00:39 -0400, it was decided that
> > Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> >
> > >jof3r wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On or about Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:08 -0400, it was decided that
> > >> Robert Wolfe <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> typed:
> > >>
> > >> massive evasion noted :P
> > >
> > >Massive cowardice NOTED.
> >
> > What cowardice?
>
> What's your first name?
>
> > Yours?
>
> Nope. What are your credentials? What University did you attend?
>
> You didn't address anything he said...you
> > skipped all of the relevant points he made and went straight to the ad
> > hominem.
>
> What type of work do you do?
>
> > But, that wasn't unexpected...
>
> Pardon? Who are you?
>
> >
> > >Hey J... Did you see Mikey's NEW PIC in ABUF?
> >
> > No, I didn't.
>
> Prove you didn't. What state do you live in?
Wow! Stalk much?
> Why are you afraid to
> answer any one of these simple questions?
Maybe because you are a crazy kook? Maybe because he doesn't want to be
stalked by whackos like you?
> >
> > >Oh I forgot... you're AFRAID to go to other people's web pages, since
> > >they can glean so much info about you.
> >
> > So, why not just post the file in the binary NG? After all, that's
> > why it's there...
>
> Why not whine because I didn't... oh... never mind.
Blurring noted. Nobody is going to go to your so called web shite. We (TINW)
all know that you just use it to harvest IP addresses so you can obsess
about them like the crazed kook you are. Post it in the binaries group if
you want people to see it.
I don't believe there really is a photo. Probably just another dead link.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"Rick Boston got a kooky quote archive
Robert Wolfe
How do you like your new pic, Mikey?
Robert Wolfe
>
> Blurring noted. Nobody is going to go to your so called web shite.
http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
I'm sorry if your new web page looks like shite... I removed all of
your Javascript junk, so now it loads in less than 30 seconds... HTH!
> We (TINW)
> all know that you just use it to harvest IP addresses so you can obsess
> about them like the crazed kook you are. Post it in the binaries group if
> you want people to see it.
I did... Still to much of a yammering pussy to check?
>
> I don't believe there really is a photo. Probably just another dead link.
LOL! That must mean it IS! Prove it, Mikey!
>
> --
> The Evil Michael Davis?
John Lewis
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Robert Wolfe wrote:
>>
>> Robert Wolfe wrote:
>> >
>> > jof3r wrote:
Responding to yourself twice isn't helping you to pose as a rational,
skeptical person,Robert. HTH
Robert Wolfe
Robert Wolfe wrote:
>
> Michael Davis wrote:
>
> >
> > Blurring noted. Nobody is going to go to your so called web shite.
>
> http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
>
> I'm sorry if your new web page looks like shite... I removed all of
> your Javascript junk, so now it loads in less than 30 seconds... HTH!
>
> > We (TINW)
> > all know that you just use it to harvest IP addresses so you can obsess
> > about them like the crazed kook you are. Post it in the binaries group if
> > you want people to see it.
>
> I did... Still to much of a yammering pussy to check?
>
> >
> > I don't believe there really is a photo. Probably just another dead link.
>
All of that crying and you still manage to go to my website?
user-33qtsi6.dialup.mindspring.com - - [29/Jul/2002:19:09:38 -0400] "GET
/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.0"
200 19386
"news://news.mindspring.com/3D459858.5657FB8E%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
"Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
Are sure you're not retarded?
Robert Wolfe
>
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:33:52 -0400, Robert Wolfe
> <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> >Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >>
> >> Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >> >
> >> > jof3r wrote:
>
> Responding to yourself twice isn't helping you to pose as a rational,
> skeptical person,Robert. HTH
Neither would agreeing with you... HTH.
Michael Davis
> Michael Davis wrote:
>
> How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
Work hard on that did you? Who did you get to model for it?
I know you don't have anything like that in your panties,
Roberta.
Michael Davis
No, but I note that you are talking to yourself again, kook.
TKO
Do a google search of michael davis, this is the first site that comes up:
http://mdavis180.tripod.com/index.html
Damn funny as well. Davis has a lot of fans!
Robert Wolfe
>
> Roberta (mop jockey) Wolfe obsessed:
>
> > Michael Davis wrote:
> >
> > How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
>
> Work hard on that did you?
10 seconds? Don't worry... There will be LOTS more.
> Who did you get to model for it?
You. Don't you remember? You were riding UB's dick and your lover
sketched this pic... It's all on your website:
http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
> I know you don't have anything like that in your panties,
> Roberta.
Are you obsessing about my cock again, Mikey? Is there a reason you
can't stop mentioning it?
>
> --
> The Evil Michael Davis?
Robert Wolfe
>
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
>
> > Robert Wolfe wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
> >
> > Can I note evasion yet, dipshit?
>
> No, but I note that you are talking to yourself again, kook.
Note it up while I note you evading...
Hey... Why did you hit my server, despite the fact that I posted the pic
as an attachment?
user-33qtsi6.dialup.mindspring.com - - [29/Jul/2002:19:09:38 -0400] "GET
/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.0"
200 19386
"news://news.mindspring.com/3D459858.5657FB8E%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
"Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
Hey... maybe if I note that you always use Mozilla v4.75 you'll finally
upgrade for "evasion" purposes. Jump Kook!
>
> --
> The Evil Michael Davis?
Robert Wolfe
>
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
>
> > Robert Wolfe wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you like your new pic, dumbass?
> >
> > Can I note evasion yet, dipshit?
>
> No, but I note that you are talking to yourself again, kook.
Note it up while I note you evading...
Hey... Why did you hit my server, despite the fact that I posted the pic
as an attachment?
user-33qtsi6.dialup.mindspring.com - - [29/Jul/2002:19:09:38 -0400] "GET
/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.0"
200 19386
"news://news.mindspring.com/3D459858.5657FB8E%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
"Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
Hey... maybe if I note that you always use Mozilla v4.75 you'll finally
upgrade for "evasion" purposes. Jump Kook!
>
> --
> The Evil Michael Davis?
Michael Davis
> To funny......
Is that anything like "Too Funny," Mr. Illiteracy?
> Do a google search of michael davis,
Please do!
> this is the first site that comes up:
>
> http://mdavis180.tripod.com/index.html
Lie noted. Actually three of my real sites are in the top 20
results but the one above is nowhere to be found.
> Damn funny as well. Davis has a lot of fans!
Aw shucks (blush).
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"There's a sucker born every minute" - David Hannum (often
erroneously attributed to P. T. Barnum)
>> 9.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.0"
>> 200 19386
>> "news://news.mindspring.com/3D459858.5657FB8E%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
>>
>> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group
Robert Wolfe
>
> To funny......
>
> Do a google search of michael davis, this is the first site that comes
> up:
>
> http://mdavis180.tripod.com/index.html
>
> Damn funny as well. Davis has a lot of fans!
He claims that this sort of behavior gets him lots of sales on his
websites... I had about 50 hits on his "new and improved" website in
the last 2 months, most of them were probably people who post here and
already know he is an idiot. More proof that he is a lying bastard.
> > ?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%2Bmikey+%2Bmindspring+%2B4.75+%2BWin98&btnG=Google+Search
> >
> > Are sure you're not retarded?
> >
> > > LOL! That must mean it IS! Prove it, Mikey
> > >
> > > >
Robert Wolfe
>
> TKO wrote:
>
> > To funny......
>
> Is that anything like "Too Funny," Mr. Illiteracy?
>
> > Do a google search of michael davis,
>
> Please do!
>
> > this is the first site that comes up:
> >
> > http://mdavis180.tripod.com/index.html
>
> Lie noted. Actually three of my real sites are in the top 20
> results but the one above is nowhere to be found.
>
> > Damn funny as well. Davis has a lot of fans!
>
> Aw shucks (blush).
>
> --
> Ruler For Life of AAR
> http://mdavis19.tripod.com
> http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
> Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
>
Are you sure you're not "evading"?
TKO
Michael Davis wrote:
>
> Lie noted. Actually three of my real sites are in the top 20
> results but the one above is nowhere to be found.
Ohhhhhhh yes it did! Keep trying! You'll see!
Michael Davis
> ...had to respond to myself 'cause Mikey can't stay in one thread.
>
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > Michael Davis wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Blurring noted. Nobody is going to go to your so called web shite.
> >
> > http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
> >
> > I'm sorry if your new web page looks like shite... I removed all of
> > your Javascript junk, so now it loads in less than 30 seconds... HTH!
> >
> > > We (TINW)
> > > all know that you just use it to harvest IP addresses so you can obsess
> > > about them like the crazed kook you are. Post it in the binaries group if
> > > you want people to see it.
> >
> > I did... Still to much of a yammering pussy to check?
> >
> > >
> > > I don't believe there really is a photo. Probably just another dead link.
> >
>
> All of that crying and you still manage to go to my website?
Nope. Cry all you want, but I won't go.
> user-33qtsi6.dialup.mindspring.com - - [29/Jul/2002:19:09:38 -0400] "GET
> /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif HTTP/1.0"
> 200 19386
> "news://news.mindspring.com/3D459858.5657FB8E%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
Sorry, kook. That was not me. Why do you always automatically assume that the first person to visit your page must be
the person you expect to visit it?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%2Bmikey+%2Bmindspring+%2B4.75+%2BWin98&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Are sure you're not retarded?
Quite, but the posts at that link are good evidence for you being a retard. HTH.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
TKO
Robert Wolfe wrote:
> TKO wrote:
> >
> > To funny......
> >
> > Do a google search of michael davis, this is the first site that comes
> > up:
> >
> > http://mdavis180.tripod.com/index.html
> >
> > Damn funny as well. Davis has a lot of fans!
>
> He claims that this sort of behavior gets him lots of sales on his
> websites...
Bahahahahahaha! ...yeah
> I had about 50 hits on his "new and improved" website in
> the last 2 months, most of them were probably people who post here and
> already know he is an idiot.
Just very insecure, obviously.
> More proof that he is a lying bastard.
Was more proof even required? He's gotta be the biggest (literally) lying kook
that ever posted round these parts.
TKO
Michael Davis wrote:
> Roberta (Mop Jockey) Wolfe got his panties in a bunch thusly:
>
> > ...had to respond to myself 'cause Mikey can't stay in one thread.
> >
> > Robert Wolfe wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Blurring noted. Nobody is going to go to your so called web shite.
> > >
> > > http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
> > >
> > > I'm sorry if your new web page looks like shite... I removed all of
> > > your Javascript junk, so now it loads in less than 30 seconds... HTH!
> > >
> > > > We (TINW)
> > > > all know that you just use it to harvest IP addresses so you can obsess
> > > > about them like the crazed kook you are. Post it in the binaries group if
> > > > you want people to see it.
> > >
> > > I did... Still to much of a yammering pussy to check?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe there really is a photo. Probably just another dead link.
> > >
> >
> > All of that crying and you still manage to go to my website?
>
> Nope. Cry all you want, but I won't go.
"I won't I won't I won't!" **STOMP**
Robert Wolfe
Accuracy noted. LOL!
Check out Mikey's *newest* pic!
http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage
LOL!
Robert Wolfe
TWICE, even!
fl.24.96.14.218.cablemodem.gte.net - - [29/Jul/2002:20:15:34 -0400] "GET
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200 19386
"http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/index.html"
"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
Robert Wolfe
Suck on any "monster rockets" lately, Mikey?
Ugly Bob
"Robert Wolfe" <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote in message
news:3D458C4B...@www.genetics.pitt.edu...
<snip>
> So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
> every single comment
<snip>
No, not _every_ comment :-)
-Ugly Bob
Ugly Bob
"Delphi" <h...@fuckin.kabelfoon.nl> wrote in message
news:3D459E3E...@fuckin.kabelfoon.nl...
> Harlow Campbell wrote:
> > Anyone who believes in alien visitation to this planet is gay and sucks
> > big time cock.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
>
> And what makes that you? A oversceptic bitch i think... if YOU don't
> believe, why bothering others with your stupid statements...
Once more, but this time in English, please.
-Ugly Bob
Mark Shippey
Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Aww, hellfire Bawb, juz chick out the e-mail, way I sees it,
this here is anudder of them EuroPeons with all that there superior
book larnin in the better skools they keep a-tellin us bout.
John Lewis
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>John Lewis wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:33:52 -0400, Robert Wolfe
>> <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Robert Wolfe wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Robert Wolfe wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > jof3r wrote:
>>
>> Responding to yourself twice isn't helping you to pose as a rational,
>> skeptical person,Robert. HTH
>
>Neither would agreeing with you... HTH.
Thanks for the tacit admission that you are only *posing* as a
rational, skeptical person, Robert.
Robert Wolfe
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:14:31 -0400, Robert Wolfe
> <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> >John Lewis wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:33:52 -0400, Robert Wolfe
> >> <r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert Wolfe wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > jof3r wrote:
> >>
> >> Responding to yourself twice isn't helping you to pose as a rational,
> >> skeptical person,Robert. HTH
> >
> >Neither would agreeing with you... HTH.
>
> Thanks for the tacit admission that you are only *posing* as a
> rational, skeptical person, Robert.
John Lewis
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>John Lewis wrote:
>
>> ========================
>> In easily verifiable claims, the person initiating
>> the claim normally assumes the burden of proof. Not
>> doing so, however, should probably not be considered
>> a fallacy. **The fallacy occurs whenever someone
>> shifts the burden of proof to avoid the difficulty of
>> substantiating a claim which would be very difficult
>> to support.**
>>
>> San Jose State University online text
>
>So did you ever READ your little sigfile, John Lewis? Do you recall
>initiating the claim that 450 or more DP witnesses were willing to lie
>at a Congressional Hearing? Do you recall ANYBODY trying to shift the
>burden of that claim instead of substantiating it? Someone *else* named
>John Lewis, perhaps?
It refers to you, Robert--in particular, the last sentence. You have
stated that it is your tactic to always shift the burden of proof away
from yourself when challenged to defend your position that is
indefensible.
I have called the DP a farce. I call their claims into question.
I have directly challenged them to basically "put up or shut up".
The DP has yet to respond--and they have been given an excellent
public forum to respond to my challenge in a.a.r., where there are
people like you who desperately want to champion their cause.
I am willing to make that University panel happen--in fact, since you
champion Greer's stuff so much, you should be jumping up and down at
the prospect of having his stuff finally get a real,
honest-to-goodness hard-nosed scientific examination. You should be
contacting all those higher-ups at U.Pitt where you work and actively
campaigning that the evidence all be brought before a panel there,
where you will be able to see things unfold on the historic occasion
of the final proof of the Greer material you are so enamored of.
Yet you don't do this. Afraid?
What are you afraid might happen, Robert? That you'll lose your
position at the school because you espouse nonsensical beliefs?
Why, then, this would be your chance to help Greer prove all of us
wrong and he right! It would be a chance to get in on the greatest
revelation of the new Millenium!
Michael Davis
> Because when a total of 10 hits show up and two are the
> same 2 that show up every time the content is related to
> you in any way a simple deduction can be made?
I deduce that you are stupid. I did not visit your site
using Netscape.
> Where do you live Mikey?
Attempted RL stalking noted. Obsess much?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22publishong%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=1woQ8.87797%24ks6.1877%40nwrddc02.gnilink.net&rnum=4
>
> Who is this "anonymous" user looking at your pic?
Who knows? I seem to be a minor celebrity.
> fl.24.96.14.218.cablemodem.gte.net - -
> [29/Jul/2002:20:15:34 -0400] "GET
> /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 200 19386
> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/index.html"
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
>
> Did you fire up IE this time because of this:
Doofus! I told you in another message that I surf the Web
with IE. I gave up on Netscape for surfing some time ago. I
am beginning to like Mozilla though. Add that fact to your
stalking database and watch those logs, freak.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=author%3Arob%40www.genetics.pitt.edu+%22v4.75%22
>
> (It doesn't work at the moment... give Google some time to
> archive.)
>
> Here's a list of EVERY time you came to my site on gte
> cablemodem:
I visited once.
> fl.24.96.14.212.cablemodem.gte.net - -
> [17/Apr/2002:17:32:47 -0400] "GET /disclosure HTTP/1.0"
> 401 232
> "news://news.mindspring.com/43fe7b2e.0204171043.4e86f3d3%40posting.google.com"
> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
>
> Remember this:
>
> http://groups.
> oogle.com/groups?selm=3CBAB13A.8BD83603%40ix.netcom.com&output=gplain
How could I forget? Classic kookery from you.
> Good... Note the time and date on YOUR POST (Date: Mon, 15
> Apr 2002 06:53:46 -0400)
Why? Only an obsessed freak like you could care.
Observe the depth of your obsession:
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:31:22 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure HTTP/1.0" 301 375 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95;
> U)"
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:31:23 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/ HTTP/1.0" 200 2350 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
> (Win95; U)"
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:40:20 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Show/
> HTTP/1.0" 200 1496 "http://w
> ww.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure/" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
> (Win95; U)"
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:40:24 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20A
> t%20Bell%20Show/20000706/ HTTP/1.0" 200 1055
> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Sho
>
> w/" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:40:35 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/press_conference/ HTTP/1.0" 200 1227
> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/discl
> osure/" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:40:42 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/coast2coast/ HTTP/1.0" 200 1817
> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure
> /" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:00 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure HTTP/1.0" 301 375 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95;
> U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:01 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure/ HTTP/1.0" 200 2350 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
> (Win95; U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:18 -0400] "GET /
> HTTP/1.0" 200 1813 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:19 -0400] "GET /w
> elcome.html HTTP/1.0" 200 1254 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
> (Win95; U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:19 -0400] "GET /l
> eftframe_buttons2.html HTTP/1.0" 200 7261 "-"
> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
> user-33qts19.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:13:24:19 -0400] "GET /t
> opframe.html HTTP/1.0" 200 2078 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
> (Win95; U)"
>
> Hmmm... Hear that sound Mikey? It's your credibility
> hitting rock bottom.
Projection noted, obsession boy.
> user-2inils8.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [20/Apr/2002:20:42:58 -0400] "GET /d
> isclosure HTTP/1.1" 301 387 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U;
> Windows NT 5.0; en-US; r
> v:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311"
> user-2inils8.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
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> isclosure/ HTTP/1.1" 200 2362 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
> U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US;
> rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311"
>
>
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> HTTP/1.1" 404 370 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01;
> Windows 98)"
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> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> fl.24.96.14.218.cablemodem.gte.net - -
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>
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%2Bmikey+%2Bmindspring+%2B4.75+%2BWin98&btnG=Google+Search
>>
>> >
>> > Are sure you're not retarded?
>>
>> Quite, but the posts at that link are good evidence for
>> you being a retard. HTH.
>
> What about your obsession with certain things on my
> server? Is that evidence of anything?
Evidence that you have no clue who is really visiting "your"
server? I have rarely seen such gross incompetence from
somebody who is supposedly an IT manager.
--
Michael Davis
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"For men become civilized, not in proportion to their
willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness
to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
Ugly Bob
"jof3r" <gangpr...@hotmailnopsam.com> wrote in message
news:isubku447c1jkh7at...@4ax.com...
<snip>
> Evasion noted. I'll answer for you: You didn't post the binary to the
> binary group because you want to harvest IP addresses and whine to
> ISPs, because you are a puss, ala Ed Wollmann. Am I close?
Um, you forgot to add the 'stupid' part, Jay.
-Ugly Bob
> p.s. I fixed the newsgroups, puss.
Ugly Bob
"Mark Shippey" <c...@anti-grey.net> wrote in message
news:3d45f...@news.vic.com...
Well, I dun looked it up, an' well, here'z whut I
got:
___________________________________________
DFW Internet Services, Inc. (NETBLK-NET-DFW-2)
114 N. Commerce St.
Fort Worth, TX 76102
US
Netname: NET-DFW-2
Netblock: 198.175.15.0 - 198.175.15.255
Coordinator:
DFW Internet Serivces, Inc (ID54-ARIN) ro...@DFW.NET
(817) 332 - 5116 (FAX) (817) 870 - 1501
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
NS1.DFW.NET 198.175.15.15
NS2.DFW.NET 198.175.15.16
Record last updated on 06-Jan-1998.
Database last updated on 29-Jul-2002 20:00:19 EDT.
Ugly Bob
"Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7Rn19.166851$_51.1...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> Well, I dun looked it up, an' well, here'z whut I
> got:
<snip>
Goddamnit! I looked up the wrong address! Yew iz
rite, Col. Shippey:
_____________________________________________
inetnum: 62.45.128.0 - 62.45.191.255
netname: KABELFOON
_____________________________________________
Ya gotta love that for a name, doncha? Kabelfoon.
What the fuck is that?
_____________________________________________
descr: Postbus 45
descr: NL-2670 AA Naaldwijk
country: NL
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<GIGGLES>
I will say this the rule . where there is no begining there is no ending.
hence space never ending if we cant find a begining. you all sound like back
when people thought the earth was flat....lmao and please no come backs
saying it is. I will fall over busting up laughing.
Mark Shippey
Well, dang it, now that splains it, this here IS one of them
EuroPeons with all that thar book larnin, and that done gives
me a big ole belly laugh, yup it does.
Carl Wilson
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Carl Wilson wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:27:51 GMT, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:ai18m3$9t1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >>
>> >> Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:o6V09.677670$352.140741@sccrnsc02...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ai10dp$mbd$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >> > > Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
>> >> >
>> >> > Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
>> >> > implies that it has limits.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Ugly Bob
>> >> Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
>> >> unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
>> >
>> > If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
>> >it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both.
>> >
>> > -Ugly Bob
>> >
>>
>
>Didn't Albert Einstein have a theory that the universe was both bounded
>AND infinite?
No.
> Something about traveling in a straight line long enough
>would bring you right back to where you started?
Which means that it's curved, not infinite.
HTH
[snip remaining drivel]
Carl Wilson
<r...@www.genetics.pitt.edu> wrote:
[alt.usenet.kooks fixed]
>Michael Davis wrote:
>>
>> Roberta (Mop Jockey) Wolfe displayed his ignorance thusly:
>>
>> > Michael Davis wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Roberta (Mop Jockey) Wolfe displayed his ignorance thusly:
>> > >
>> > > > Carl Wilson wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:27:51 GMT, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >"Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > > > > >news:ai18m3$9t1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Ugly Bob <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >news:o6V09.677670$352.140741@sccrnsc02...
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > "Alice" <G...@S.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> > news:ai10dp$mbd$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > > > > >> > > Hey....Baboons, we know the universe is expanding!
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
>> > > > > >> > implies that it has limits.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > -Ugly Bob
>> > > > > >> Not necessarily.......it may expand infinitely,
>> > > > > >> unless the Big Crunchie gets tooo us first!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
>> > > > > >it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -Ugly Bob
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Didn't Albert Einstein have a theory that the universe was both bounded
>> > > > AND infinite? Something about traveling in a straight line long enough
>> > > > would bring you right back to where you started?
>> > >
>> > > No, kook. He said "finite but unbounded." That means that though the universe is
>> > > finite in size, it has no edges or end points. Damn, you are stupid.
>> > >
>> > > > 5. Einstein's General Theory of Gravitation
>> > > >
>> > > > Three possibilities for universe
>> > > >
>> > > > open (infinite and unbounded)
>> > > > flat (infinite and unbounded)
>> > > > closed (finite and unbounded)
>> >
>> > No "problem" with me pointing out that Albert felt this way?
>>
>> But you didn't. You quoted some nobody who claimed Einstein felt this way. There's a
>> difference, kook.
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > It is generally believed today that the universe is "finite and
>> > > > unbounded" with its closure remaining an open question. According to
>> > > > Heinz R. Pagels, Perfect Symmetry: The Search for the Beginning of Time,
>> > > > (New York: Bantam Books, 1986), p. 146
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.fm/7-sphere/descrip.htm
>> > >
>> > > The problems with citing this guy are that he is:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Not a physicist or cosmologist.
>> >
>> > Is Mikey Davis?
>>
>> Nice attempt at "blurring." Did I ever claim to be? I don't need to be one to see that
>> the guy you are citing as an authority isn't one.
>
>I cited him as an "authority"? Please show where:
>
>I cited him because I thought that person might want credit for their
>work.
Did you ever get into a discussion where you *didn't* immediately jump
on your unicycle and start back-peddling?
>> > >
>> > > 2. He had to self publish his own book on the internet, which makes the quality of
>> > > the material in the book suspect at best if he couldn't get it published as a real
>> > > book by a real publishing house.
>> >
>> > Lots of people publish online. It's more cost effective.
>>
>> It's also the only hope for kooks who the real publishing companies won't touch. Anyone
>> can put anything on the web. That doesn't make them an authority on anything.
>>
>> > What
>> > scientific research has Mikey Davis published?
>>
>> More blurring noted. I made no claims of having been published.
>>
>> > > 3. On the very first page of his book he mixes up theories and facts.
>> >
>> > To whom are you referring?
>>
>> The same person I have been referring to, dork. Samuel A. Cox, the guy who wrote the
>> book you have been quoting from.
>>
>> > Albert Einstein?
>>
>> No, Samuel A. Cox. He's the guy you quoted, not Albert Einstein, moron.
>>
>> > You are the most vague
>> > person i've ever conversed with.
>>
>> You are projecting like a bad drive in movie, Roberta.
>>
>> > >
>> > > These are not the signs that you are citing a real authority on the subject. You
>> > > seem to be suffering from Garrrrry disease, where you just cite whatever and
>> > > whoever you can find that is saying things that jibe with your preconceived
>> > > notions, rather than searching out people who really know what they are talking
>> > > about and have the credentials to prove it. Why don't you go direct to the source
>> > > and try reading Einstein himself if you want to know what Einstein said? Afraid it
>> > > will go straight over your kooky little head?
>> >
>> > Afraid I already mentioned Einstein's work above...
>>
>> No, you mentioned Samuel A. Cox.
>>
>> > It can be found
>> > nearly everywhere.
>>
>> Except in your posts about Einstein apparently. I have a copy of "Relativity - The
>> Special and General Theory" by Albert Einstein himself on the desk beside me. Care to
>> cite a page number from the real source to back up your claims? I predict much blurring.
>>
>> > > --- Snip ---
>> > >
>> > > > So, Ugly, are you here to simply aggravate others and cynically question
>> > > > every single comment made
>> > >
>> > > I thought he was just correctly questioning some kooky and absolutely incorrect
>> > > statements made by the Erols fruitcake. Leave it to you to come charging into the
>> > > argument on the stupid side. If the universe is expanding then it *cannot* be
>> > > infinite in size.
>> >
>> > If the universe is finite and "unbounded" there is no problem with it
>> > expanding... IT'S UNBOUNDED, IDIOT.
>>
>> Stupidity noted. I never said there was a problem with it expanding. I said it cannot be
>> infinite in size *if* it is expanding. Damn, your reading comprehension sucks.
>>
>> > Hint: If the universe is going to be bigger tomorrow, then it
>> > > can't be infinite now.
>> >
>> > I never said it was infinte, Mikey.
>>
>> Backpedal noted. You claimed it was a possibility when it clearly is not.
>>
>> > I said you were infantile a few
>> > times.. Perhaps you are mistaken?
>>
>> No, you were mistaken, infantile kook.
>>
>> > That's a fact. Now reason it out and see if you can grok
>> > > the simple logic that leads to that conclusion. I won't hold my breath waiting
>> > > since I suspect you are still working on reasoning out how to tie your shoes. Or
>> > > did you just give up in frustration on that problem and just settle for wearing
>> > > sandals?
>> >
>> > I prefer barefoot, if you MUST know, Mikey.
>>
>> Ok, you are too stupid to even figure out sandals noted.
>>
>> > > > while having zero grasp concerning the topics
>> > > > in question,
>> > >
>> > > Projection noted.
>> >
>> > Nice pic in ABUF!
>>
>> Which one, blur boy? You've made it in there several times.
>>
>> > > > or are you here to showcase your astute ability of
>> > > > revealing that you have zero grasp concerning the topics in question?
>> > >
>> > > No, that would be you, Roberta. Massive projection noted!
>> >
>> > Why is it that you are backing up U.B.?
>>
>> Um, because he is right?
>>
>> > He thinks that finite and
>> > unbounded isn't even a possiblilty.
>>
>> Please point out where he said that, Mr. Poor Reading Comprehension. What he actually
>> said was:
>>
>> "Then, how can it also be "never ending?" Expansion
>> implies that it has limits."
>>
>> and
>>
>> "If it's expanding, then it can't be infinite. Either
>> it's infinite or it's not. It can't be both."
>>
>> Both statements are correct.
>>
>> > > > ...is it a 3 for the price of 1 deal?
>> > >
>> > > You could give it away and still nobody would want it.
>> >
>> > Get a clue kook.
>>
>> You first.
>>
>> > Why exactly, do you feel the need to crosspost to crop-circle NG's? Are
>> > you a damn loon?
>>
>> I just replied to your post. I didn't add that group. If there is a loony here cross
>> posting to the circle jerk groups then it must be you. HTH.
>>
>> --
>> The Evil Michael Davis?
>> Ruler For Life of AAR
>> http://mdavis19.tripod.com
>> http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
>> Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
>>
Pete Charest
wrote:
>Michael Davis wrote:
>>
>> Roberta (Mop Jockey) Wolfe displayed his ignorance thusly:
>>
Translation: Michael Davis kicked my ass so badly, this was the only lame
response I could come up with to the whole 200line post.
<remaining ass-kicking snipped for brevity>
Robbie...you are a clueless fucking mop jockey!
---
Pete Charest
Truth Terrorist©
Insult yourself, I'm busy.
Harlow Campbell
> evidently you never saw one.tve seen one, and i:m not gay.
SURE you're not gay......... ;-)
Michael Davis
stut_stut_stuttered this whiny nonsense 3 times:
You really do spazz out on your send button lately, Roberta.
You might want to get that checked out.
> But you did, liar.
No I didn't kook.
> You said you saw what you thought were art bell files in
> this link:
>
> http://gro
> ps.google.com/groups?selm=3CBAB13A.8BD83603%40ix.netcom.com&output=gplain
That was 4 months ago, nutso. You claimed I viewed your site
yesterday with Netscape. Sheesh! Whadda moron!
--- Snip Roberta's melty, obsessive, bandwidth wasting
stupidity ---
> I doubt that you are ever going to live this one down,
> Mikey. How's that for civility?
Coming from you that's funny, freak.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"Rick Boston got a kooky quote archive
Michael Davis
> Robert Wolfe wrote:
>
> Hey Mikey:
>
> fl.24.96.14.217.cablemodem.gte.net - mikey
> [30/Jul/2002:16:44:56 -0400] "GET
> /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.0" 200 7447
> 6
> "news://news.meganetnews.com/3D46F15C.64AEA41%40www.genetics.pitt.edu"
> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
>
> Is that "not you" again?
St00pid kook! You are embedding the photo in your messages.
<img
SRC="http://mikey:duh...@www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_fat_bastard.jpg"
NOSAVE height=20 width=20>
Simply reading your melty, whiny, posts puts a hit on your
server and gives you something new to spazz out about.
That's gotta be the kookiest thing I have ever seen!!! Every
time I think you have reached the absolute pinnacle of
kookiness, you just go and surpass yourself!
> What about these? :
>
> user-11fabga.dsl.mindspring.com - - [30/Jul/2002:16:46:23
> -0400] "GET /~rob/Mikey
> Duhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 401 540 "-" "Mozi
> lla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
> user-11fabga.dsl.mindspring.com - - [30/Jul/2002:16:46:23
> -0400] "GET /~rob/Mikey
> Duhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 401 540 "-" "Mozi
> lla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
> user-11fabga.dsl.mindspring.com - mikey
> [30/Jul/2002:16:46:23 -0400] "GET /~rob/M
> ikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" "Mo
> zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
> user-11fabga.dsl.mindspring.com - - [30/Jul/2002:16:46:23
> -0400] "GET /~rob/Mikey
> Duhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 401 540 "-" "Mozi
> lla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
> user-11fabga.dsl.mindspring.com - mikey
> [30/Jul/2002:16:46:24 -0400] "GET /~rob/M
> ikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/top_or_bottom.gif
> HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" "Mo
> zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
When did I start using Win NT and MSIE 6.0? Damn, you are
retarded. Do you wonder the halls with your mop calling
random passersby Mikey?
> The only other hits today were my own, Mikey.
I'm sure you visit the page quite often. I hesitate to think
of what you are doing while you stare obsessively at my
photo though. EWWWWWWWWW!!!
> Explain this theory of yours again...
The one about you being a moron who has no clue how to read
logs?
> My theory involves you having at least 2 machines and 2-3
> ISP's to switch up between.
That's really paranoid, Roberta. Hey, didn't you also say I
was J? You were wrong about that too, weren't you? Just keep
those stupid statements coming. You're never gonna live down
your archived stupidity in Google and at Kook-Watch.net.
--
Michael Davis
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"For men become civilized, not in proportion to their
Charles Gregory
: Hahaha I started something good.
But I *like* to make people laugh.
And the Earth IS flat, for sufficiently small samples of Earth. :-)
Michael Davis
> Michael ([Captain Queerbait]) Davis wrote:
>
> Hey Mikey... would you mind answering the questions below
> that you've been evading?
>
> Thanks In Advance.
I have answered them. You just seem to be in denial about
it. Since you seem to live in the Google archive these days,
I'm sure you won't have any trouble finding my answers. Your
trouble will come in not going into full denial mode over
your kookiness, lies, errors, and utter stupidity. HTH.
--
The Evil Michael Davis™
Ruler For Life of AAR
http://mdavis19.tripod.com
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"Rick Boston got a kooky quote archive
and all I got was this lousy gender issue." R. Wolfe?
>> Roberta (mop jockey) Wolfe foamed:
> But you did, liar. You said you saw what you thought were
> art bell files in this link:
>
> http://groups.google.com/gro
> ps?selm=3CBAB13A.8BD83603%40ix.netcom.com&output=gplain
>
> Which was right after you did this:
>
> user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
> [15/Apr/2002:06:40:24 -0400] "GET
> /disclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Show/20000706/
> HTTP/1.0" 200 1055
> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Show/"
> "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win95; U)"
>
> But you still claim this:
>
> "I did not visit your site using Netscape." - Michael P.
> Davis
>
>>
>>
>> > Where do you live Mikey?
>>
>> Attempted RL stalking noted. Obsess much?
>
> You are the one knocking on my door Mikey. Please
> concentrate on that fact for a moment.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22publishong%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=1woQ8.87797%24ks6.1877%40nwrddc02.gnilink.net&rnum=4
>>
>> >
>> > Who is this "anonymous" user looking at your pic?
>>
>> Who knows? I seem to be a minor celebrity.
>
> You mean like the retarded people Howard Stern puts on his
> show? Sho' 'nuff.
>
>>
>>
>> > fl.24.96.14.218.cablemodem.gte.net - -
>> > [29/Jul/2002:20:15:34 -0400] "GET
>> >
>> /~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/cock-etman.gif
>>
>> > HTTP/1.1" 200 19386
>> >
>> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/~rob/MikeyDuhvis/homepage/mdavis19.tripod.com/index.html"
>>
>> > "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
>> >
>> > Did you fire up IE this time because of this:
>>
>> Doofus! I told you in another message that I surf the
>> Web
>> with IE.
>
> From: Michael Davis <mdav...@ix.netcom.com>
> Newsgroups:
> alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.ufo.reports
> Subject: Re: FTL?
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:59:57 -0400
> ****************************Organization: MindSpring
> Enterprises ***********************
> Lines: 110
> Message-ID: <3B0E9D9D...@ix.netcom.com>
> References: <9ee0np$1c$1...@newsflash.concordia.ca>
> <3b0ae560.47242727@news>
> <9efimb$45r$1...@newsflash.concordia.ca>
> <tljmgtksevt1k4t8e...@4ax.com>
> <9ehndt$mkd$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>
> <3b0c...@news.nwlink.com>
> <3B0CECFD...@ix.netcom.com>
> <9ej10h$frp$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>
> <3B0D171A...@ix.netcom.com>
> <9ejk5o$jof$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>
> <3B0D7325...@ix.netcom.com>
> <9el69t$na8$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>
> <3B0E4A59...@ix.netcom.com>
> <9elljj$j2p$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>
> <9elvqm$15l$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.27.72.7f
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Server-Date: 25 May 2001 17:59:43 GMT
> **************************** X-Mailer: Mozilla
> ******************4.75******************** [en] (Win98;
> U) ****************************
> X-Accept-Language: en
>
> Hmm... I'm just a lowly sysadmin, but methinks that Mikey
> has a copy of Netscape 4.75 for Windows 98 that he uses to
> post from mindspring...
>
> What do you think about that, Mikey?
>
>> I gave up on Netscape for surfing some time ago.
>
> Liar (of the big, fat variety).
>
>> I
>> am beginning to like Mozilla though. Add that fact to
>> your
>> stalking database and watch those logs, freak.
>
> Those logs that you shouldn't be in, since you claim you
> never visit my site?
>
> LOL!
>
>>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=author%3Arob%40www.genetics.pitt.edu+%22v4.75%22
>>
>> >
>> > (It doesn't work at the moment... give Google some
>> time to
>> > archive.)
>> >
>> > Here's a list of EVERY time you came to my site on gte
>>
>> > cablemodem:
>>
>> I visited once.
>
> Liar. Check the dates.
>
>>
>>
>> > fl.24.96.14.212.cablemodem.gte.net - -
>> > [17/Apr/2002:17:32:47 -0400] "GET /disclosure
>> HTTP/1.0"
>> > 401 232
>> >
>> "news://news.mindspring.com/43fe7b2e.0204171043.4e86f3d3%40posting.google.com"
>>
>> > "Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)"
>> >
>> > Remember this:
>> >
>> > http://groups.
>> >
>> oogle.com/groups?selm=3CBAB13A.8BD83603%40ix.netcom.com&output=gplain
>>
>> How could I forget? Classic kookery from you.
>>
>> > Good... Note the time and date on YOUR POST (Date:
>> Mon, 15
>> > Apr 2002 06:53:46 -0400)
>>
>> Why? Only an obsessed freak like you could care.
>
> You misspelled "observant".
>
>>
>>
>> Observe the depth of your obsession:
>
> You misspelled "Mikey's".
>
>>
>>
>> > user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [15/Apr/2002:06:31:22 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure HTTP/1.0" 301 375 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
>> (Win95;
>> > U)"
>> > user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [15/Apr/2002:06:31:23 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure/ HTTP/1.0" 200 2350 "-" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
>> > (Win95; U)"
>> > user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [15/Apr/2002:06:40:20 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Show/
>> > HTTP/1.0" 200 1496 "http://w
>> > ww.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure/" "Mozilla/4.75 [en]
>> > (Win95; U)"
>> > user-33qtuah.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [15/Apr/2002:06:40:24 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20A
>> > t%20Bell%20Show/20000706/ HTTP/1.0" 200 1055
>> >
>> "http://www.genetics.pitt.edu/disclosure/Dr.%20Greer%20on%20the%20Art%20Bell%20Sho
>
> So this isn't you, Mikey? Is that what you're saying?
> Why are you so afraid of your own actions? How can I
> "project" your own actions onto you?
>
>>
>>
>> > user-2inils8.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [20/Apr/2002:20:42:58 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure HTTP/1.1" 301 387 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
>> U;
>> > Windows NT 5.0; en-US; r
>> > v:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311"
>> > user-2inils8.dialup.mindspring.com - disclose
>> > [20/Apr/2002:20:42:58 -0400] "GET /d
>> > isclosure/ HTTP/1.1" 200 2362 "-" "Mozilla/5.0
>> (Windows;
>> > U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US;
>> > rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311"
>
> "I am beginning to like Mozilla though." - Michael P.
> Davis
>
> Here's a link where you tell us about your "cable modem"
> and "phone modem".
>
> http://groups.goog
> e.com/groups?q=author:mdavis19%40ix.netcom.com+%2Bcable%2Bmodem&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3CA3CE34.4905F32B%40ix.netcom.com&rnum=1
>
>>
>
> Here's where you used your "cable modem" to obsess at my
> site:
> Is that what Mikey Davis *really* thinks?
>
>> I have rarely seen such gross incompetence from
>> somebody who is supposedly an IT manager.
>
> Proof? I know exactly when you hit my server, tankass.
> When you aren't serving pr0n or russian brides off of a
> server, you don't get very many hits on average. HTH,
> Mikey.
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Davis
>> http://mdavis19.tripod.com
>> http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
>> Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy"
>> Club
>>
>> "For men become civilized, not in proportion to their
>> willingness to believe, but in proportion to their
>> readiness
>> to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
>