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Checkmate
Apr 30, 2015, 4:19:15 AM4/30/15
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In article <mhioun$3ct$1...@news.albasani.net>, snuh...@yahoo.com says...
>
> Charles Pierce: TPP approval process 'an exercise in kabuki democracy'
> Stuff The President Said Today
> In which the president oversells the bad deal that is the Trans-Pacific
> Partnership.
>
> By Charles Pierce
>
> The president got on the horn with some reporters today and escalated
> the argument he's having with Senator Professor Warren and his
> progressive base over the Trans-Pacific Partnership. This has become
> quite the hooley indeed.
>
> "The one that gets on my nerves the most is the notion that this is
> a 'secret' deal," Obama said. "Every single one of the critics who I
> hear saying, 'this is a secret deal,' or send out emails to their
> fundraising base saying they're working to prevent this secret deal, can
> walk over today and read the text of the agreement. There's nothing
> secret about it."
>
>
>
> In fact, there's been a lot that's secret about it ever since the
> negotiations began. It was negotiated behind closed doors, and for
> reasons that benefited nobody except large corporations and the
> politicians, dictators, and provincial satraps who do their bidding.
> (The fact we know much of anything at all is because the good folks at
> WikiLeaks threw some of the treaty out into the world, which is hardly a
> proof that the TPP isn't a "secret" deal. WikiLeaks doesn't do a lot of
> work with stuff that's in the public domain.) The congressional
> opportunities that the president is referring to are limited, and
> there's no good reason for that, either.
>
> "When I listen to criticism of this deal, what I primarily hear is
> criticism of NAFTA," Obama said. "If you don't like the fact that labor
> provisions aren't enforceable right now, why wouldn't you want a trade
> deal that makes labor provisions enforceable with some of the same
> countries we currently trade with?"
>
>
>
> The NAFTA labor provisions were supposed to be enforceable, too. How'd
> that work out? Most of it was smoke and mirrors and nonsense. As John
> MacArthur writes in his book about the selling of "free trade," even Al
> Gore's famous trouncing of Ross Perot in their televised debate over
> NAFTA was based primarily on what the Reverend Ike used to call "pie in
> the sky by and by when you die." MacArthur expanded on that in an
> interview with Bill Moyers in 2007:
>
> No, because it's just like the NAFTA side agreements in the '90s.
> They guaranteed all sorts of things in the side agreements: labor
> rights, environmental protection in Mexico. And none of it got done.
> Virtually none of it got done. Now, in these agreements, they're saying
> that these countries are suddenly going to start respecting labor
> rights. That countries like Peru, which can only survive by selling us
> their cheap labor. In other words, that's all they've got-- are going to
> raise their labor standards that would kill the very justification for
> set-- for setting up a factory in Peru. It's the same thing in Mexico.
> It's the same thing in China.
>
>
>
> History insists that the only reason to believe that the TPP will be any
> different in this regard is if you trust the president who's currently
> peddling the old moonshine. And the notion that we get to see all of
> this monstrosity only after the Congress gives the president the power
> to zip it through unchanged is something of an exercise in kabuki democracy.
>
> "I'm not adverse to continuing to engage with members of Congress
> or unions or anybody else in the progressive community about how we can
> make sure this is the strongest agreement possible," Obama concluded.
> "But what I am adverse to is a bunch of ad hominem attacks and
> misinformation that stirs up the base but ultimately doesn't serve them
> well. And I'm going to be pushing back very hard if I keep on hearing that."
>
>
>
> It takes some big clanging brass ones to complain about ad hominem
> attacks after you've essentially just called SPW and others liars. But,
> more curiously, after spending six years taking all manner of
> distasteful and racist abuse on everything from his legislative agenda
> to the circumstances of his birth with amazing equanimity, the president
> decides that this is the issue on which he will not tolerate ad hominem
> attacks? That's just weird. The president has got to understand that the
> country has heard this before, that it has swallowed enough snake oil to
> gag a python, and that it is righteously skeptical of any deal this big
> that is being sold so hard by so many people who have proven that they
> do not have the best interests of most Americans at heart. That's not ad
> hominem. Them's the facts.
>
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026565355
>
> IAWTP
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>
> Charles Pierce: TPP approval process 'an exercise in kabuki democracy'
> Stuff The President Said Today
> In which the president oversells the bad deal that is the Trans-Pacific
> Partnership.
>
> By Charles Pierce
>
> The president got on the horn with some reporters today and escalated
> the argument he's having with Senator Professor Warren and his
> progressive base over the Trans-Pacific Partnership. This has become
> quite the hooley indeed.
>
> "The one that gets on my nerves the most is the notion that this is
> a 'secret' deal," Obama said. "Every single one of the critics who I
> hear saying, 'this is a secret deal,' or send out emails to their
> fundraising base saying they're working to prevent this secret deal, can
> walk over today and read the text of the agreement. There's nothing
> secret about it."
>
>
>
> In fact, there's been a lot that's secret about it ever since the
> negotiations began. It was negotiated behind closed doors, and for
> reasons that benefited nobody except large corporations and the
> politicians, dictators, and provincial satraps who do their bidding.
> (The fact we know much of anything at all is because the good folks at
> WikiLeaks threw some of the treaty out into the world, which is hardly a
> proof that the TPP isn't a "secret" deal. WikiLeaks doesn't do a lot of
> work with stuff that's in the public domain.) The congressional
> opportunities that the president is referring to are limited, and
> there's no good reason for that, either.
>
> "When I listen to criticism of this deal, what I primarily hear is
> criticism of NAFTA," Obama said. "If you don't like the fact that labor
> provisions aren't enforceable right now, why wouldn't you want a trade
> deal that makes labor provisions enforceable with some of the same
> countries we currently trade with?"
>
>
>
> The NAFTA labor provisions were supposed to be enforceable, too. How'd
> that work out? Most of it was smoke and mirrors and nonsense. As John
> MacArthur writes in his book about the selling of "free trade," even Al
> Gore's famous trouncing of Ross Perot in their televised debate over
> NAFTA was based primarily on what the Reverend Ike used to call "pie in
> the sky by and by when you die." MacArthur expanded on that in an
> interview with Bill Moyers in 2007:
>
> No, because it's just like the NAFTA side agreements in the '90s.
> They guaranteed all sorts of things in the side agreements: labor
> rights, environmental protection in Mexico. And none of it got done.
> Virtually none of it got done. Now, in these agreements, they're saying
> that these countries are suddenly going to start respecting labor
> rights. That countries like Peru, which can only survive by selling us
> their cheap labor. In other words, that's all they've got-- are going to
> raise their labor standards that would kill the very justification for
> set-- for setting up a factory in Peru. It's the same thing in Mexico.
> It's the same thing in China.
>
>
>
> History insists that the only reason to believe that the TPP will be any
> different in this regard is if you trust the president who's currently
> peddling the old moonshine. And the notion that we get to see all of
> this monstrosity only after the Congress gives the president the power
> to zip it through unchanged is something of an exercise in kabuki democracy.
>
> "I'm not adverse to continuing to engage with members of Congress
> or unions or anybody else in the progressive community about how we can
> make sure this is the strongest agreement possible," Obama concluded.
> "But what I am adverse to is a bunch of ad hominem attacks and
> misinformation that stirs up the base but ultimately doesn't serve them
> well. And I'm going to be pushing back very hard if I keep on hearing that."
>
>
>
> It takes some big clanging brass ones to complain about ad hominem
> attacks after you've essentially just called SPW and others liars. But,
> more curiously, after spending six years taking all manner of
> distasteful and racist abuse on everything from his legislative agenda
> to the circumstances of his birth with amazing equanimity, the president
> decides that this is the issue on which he will not tolerate ad hominem
> attacks? That's just weird. The president has got to understand that the
> country has heard this before, that it has swallowed enough snake oil to
> gag a python, and that it is righteously skeptical of any deal this big
> that is being sold so hard by so many people who have proven that they
> do not have the best interests of most Americans at heart. That's not ad
> hominem. Them's the facts.
>
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026565355
>
> IAWTP
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Apr 30, 2015, 6:58:56 PM4/30/15
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In article <1m3ozma.8zk51k1pzv5mcN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
> ROLF!
Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
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Checkmate
May 1, 2015, 11:19:37 PM5/1/15
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In article <1m3qhq1.xc80rn1gyambaN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> [...]
> Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
>
> So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
like dog shit.
> [...]
>
> > > > Oh, look! Snuhbaby flooded alt.checkmate with three whole posts! This
> > > > obvious abuse and netfuckery has been reproted!
> > >
> > > ROLF!
> >
> > Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
>
> Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've left
> > > > Oh, look! Snuhbaby flooded alt.checkmate with three whole posts! This
> > > > obvious abuse and netfuckery has been reproted!
> > >
> > > ROLF!
> >
> > Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
>
> Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
>
> So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
like dog shit.
%
May 1, 2015, 11:23:57 PM5/1/15
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Checkmate wrote:
> In article <1m3qhq1.xc80rn1gyambaN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
>
>>
>> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>> Oh, look! Snuhbaby flooded alt.checkmate with three whole posts!
>>>>> This obvious abuse and netfuckery has been reproted!
>>>>
>>>> ROLF!
>>>
>>> Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
>>
>> Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've
>> left Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to
>> show my
>> face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all
>> day, drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile
>> ceiling.
>>
>> So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
>
> Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> like dog shit.
why would you smell it
> In article <1m3qhq1.xc80rn1gyambaN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
>
>>
>> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>> Oh, look! Snuhbaby flooded alt.checkmate with three whole posts!
>>>>> This obvious abuse and netfuckery has been reproted!
>>>>
>>>> ROLF!
>>>
>>> Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
>>
>> Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've
>> left Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to
>> show my
>> face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all
>> day, drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile
>> ceiling.
>>
>> So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
>
> Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> like dog shit.
Checkmate
May 2, 2015, 1:42:55 AM5/2/15
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In article <8du5he....@news.alt.net>, per...@gmail.com says...
Because it permeated the air around me. The 50 MPH wind generated by my
swift Kung Fu kicking action was probably also a contributing factor.
swift Kung Fu kicking action was probably also a contributing factor.
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Checkmate
May 2, 2015, 2:47:49 AM5/2/15
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In article <1m3sa5c.1vllveb6gmezpN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> considered being rude to him? He might give up and go away then.
> I wouldn't bother putting him in the keep-net, just throw him straight
> back in the water.
Oh, I've been more than rude with him, but he's got the "That didn't
hurt" game down pat. Some people, you just can't fix.
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> > In article <1m3qhq1.xc80rn1gyambaN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> > sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
> >
> > > Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> > In article <1m3qhq1.xc80rn1gyambaN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> > sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
> >
> > > Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
> > >
> > > Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've left
> > > Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> > > face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> > > drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
> > >
> > > So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
> >
> > Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> > The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> > like dog shit.
>
> That poor, lonely dweeb is just too easy to hook, Checky; have you
> > >
> > > Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've left
> > > Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> > > face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> > > drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
> > >
> > > So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
> >
> > Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> > The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> > like dog shit.
>
> considered being rude to him? He might give up and go away then.
> I wouldn't bother putting him in the keep-net, just throw him straight
> back in the water.
Oh, I've been more than rude with him, but he's got the "That didn't
hurt" game down pat. Some people, you just can't fix.
Checkmate
May 2, 2015, 2:50:09 AM5/2/15
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In article <1m3saf2.hc5ls3ogvtjN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> Fakey the Lonesome Cowboy yodelled:
>
> > [...]
>
Did... did Fakey see us talking about him, and devote a megascreed to
us? Did he call me Chimpy? I hope so, because it proves I still own
him.
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> Fakey the Lonesome Cowboy yodelled:
>
> > [...]
>
Did... did Fakey see us talking about him, and devote a megascreed to
us? Did he call me Chimpy? I hope so, because it proves I still own
him.
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May 2, 2015, 4:12:14 AM5/2/15
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In article <1m3sbhf.9ycssw1p7b0ytN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>,
> as tits on a boar.
>
> Conundrum of the Day: If a faker takes a pratfall in the Usenet
> forest and there is no-one there to laugh, is it still funny?
I don't think so. I think the Fakey joke is long past its freshness
date.
sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
>
> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > > > Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've left
> > > > > Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> > > > > face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> > > > > drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
> > > >
> > > > Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> > > > The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> > > > like dog shit.
> > >
> > > That poor, lonely dweeb is just too easy to hook, Checky; have you
> > > considered being rude to him? He might give up and go away then.
> > > I wouldn't bother putting him in the keep-net, just throw him straight
> > > back in the water.
> >
> > Oh, I've been more than rude with him, but he's got the "That didn't
> > hurt" game down pat. Some people, you just can't fix.
>
> Why would you want to fix him? He'd still only be as much use
>
> Checkmate <Lunatic...@The.Edge> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > > > Hi! I was worried that Fakey might have spanked you off of Usenet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hiya, Checky. Yep, the Fakester gave me such a drubbing that I've left
> > > > > Usenet altogether. He shamed me so much that I can't bear to show my
> > > > > face anywhere. I just sit in the corner rocking back and forth all day,
> > > > > drooling, mumbling and counting the holes in the acoustic tile ceiling.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, how are you and how are things back in Kookland?
> > > >
> > > > Same thing. I live in fear that Fakey will try to hump my leg again.
> > > > The last time I booted him off, I scuffed my shoe and then it smelled
> > > > like dog shit.
> > >
> > > That poor, lonely dweeb is just too easy to hook, Checky; have you
> > > considered being rude to him? He might give up and go away then.
> > > I wouldn't bother putting him in the keep-net, just throw him straight
> > > back in the water.
> >
> > Oh, I've been more than rude with him, but he's got the "That didn't
> > hurt" game down pat. Some people, you just can't fix.
>
> as tits on a boar.
>
> Conundrum of the Day: If a faker takes a pratfall in the Usenet
> forest and there is no-one there to laugh, is it still funny?
I don't think so. I think the Fakey joke is long past its freshness
date.
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