You Were Lied To
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for the production of biological weapons." - George W. Bush September
12, 2002
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve
agent." - George W. Bush January 28, 2003
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have." - George Bush February 8, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
lethal weapons ever devised." - George Bush March 18, 2003
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly... all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes." - Ari Fleisher March 21,
2003
"We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and
Baghdad." - Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003
"Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons
of mass destruction." - Jack Straw, April 2, 2003
"I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials,
a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass
destruction will be found." - Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003
"Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I
suggest they wait a bit." - Tony Blair 28 April, 2003
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The Case for War:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm
Remarks to the United Nations Security Council
Secretary Colin L. Powell
New York City
February 5, 2003
(...)
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more. Given Saddam Hussein's history
of aggression, given what we know of his grandiose plans, given what we
know of his terrorist associations, and given his determination to exact
revenge on those who oppose him, should we take the risk that he will
not someday use these weapons at a time and a place and in a manner of
his choosing, at a time when the world is in a much weaker position to
respond?
The United States will not and cannot run that risk for the American
people. Leaving Saddam Hussein in possession of weapons of mass
destruction for a few more months or years is not an option, not in a
post-September 11th world.
My colleagues, over three months ago, this Council recognized that Iraq
continued to pose a threat to international peace and security, and that
Iraq had been and remained in material breach of its disarmament
obligations.
Today, Iraq still poses a threat and Iraq still remains in material
breach. Indeed, by its failure to seize on its one last opportunity to
come clean and disarm, Iraq has put itself in deeper material breach and
closer to the day when it will face serious consequences for its
continue defiance of this Council.
My colleagues, we have an obligation to our citizens. We have an
obligation to this body to see that our resolutions are complied with.
We wrote 1441 not in order to go to war. We wrote 1441 to try to
preserve the peace. We wrote 1441 to give Iraq one last chance.
Iraq is not, so far, taking that one last chance.
We must not shrink from whatever is ahead of us. We must not fail in our
duty and our responsibility to the citizens of the countries that are
represented by this body.
Thank you, Mr. President.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001931010_iraqdig17.html
Monday, May 17, 2004
Iraq Notebook
Powell says his assertions were wrong
WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Colin Powell said yesterday that what he
had called "the most dramatic" element of his Feb. 5, 2003, speech to
the United Nations was "inaccurate and discredited."
The presentation, considered a key in convincing allies and the American
people that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass
destruction, claimed the existence of mobile biological-weapons
laboratories.
"When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the
best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to
me," Powell said yesterday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"It turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some
cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am disappointed, and I
regret it," he said.
A CIA spokesman declined comment.
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And of course the lie about the mobile labs was the brainchild
of "Curveball," an associate of Ahmad Chalabi, the wanted con-man
the Pentagon still wants to install as the King of Iraq:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0402-07.htm
Chalabi and his phony intelligence mill are still raking in
hundreds of thousands of American dollars every month for
such "intelligence."
Don Wheeler
The fact that we were lied to so poorly speaks to
the fact that either we as a nation are populated
mainly by
gullible simple idiots, or have politicians lying to
us who's opinion of us is so low that they don't
even feel
the need to bother to expend the energy to try to
lie properly.
My fear is that both cases apply.....
don wheeler
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/index.html
How Ahmed Chalabi Conned the Neocons
The hawks who launched the Iraq war believed the deal-making exile when
he promised to build a secular democracy with close ties to Israel. Now
the Israel deal is dead, he's cozying up to Iran -- and his patrons look
like they're on the way out. A Salon exclusive.
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By John Dizard
May 4, 2004 | When the definitive history of the current Iraq war is
finally written, wealthy exile Ahmed Chalabi will be among those judged
most responsible for the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq
and topple Saddam Hussein. More than a decade ago Chalabi teamed up with
American neoconservatives to sell the war as the cornerstone of an
energetic new policy to bring democracy to the Middle East -- and after
9/11, as the crucial antidote to global terrorism. It was Chalabi who
provided crucial intelligence on Iraqi weaponry to justify the invasion,
almost all of which turned out to be false, and laid out a rosy scenario
about the country's readiness for an American strike against Saddam that
led the nation's leaders to predict -- and apparently even believe --
that they would be greeted as liberators. Chalabi also promised his
neoconservative patrons that as leader of Iraq he would make peace with
Israel, an issue of vital importance to them. A year ago, Chalabi was
riding high, after Saddam Hussein fell with even less trouble than
expected.
Now his power is slipping away, and some of his old neoconservative
allies -- whose own political survival is looking increasingly shaky as
the U.S. occupation turns nightmarish -- are beginning to turn on him.
The U.S. reversed its policy of excluding former Baathists from the
Iraqi army -- a policy devised by Chalabi -- and Marine commanders even
empowered former Republican Guard officers to run the pacification of
Fallujah. Last week United Nations envoy Lakhdar Brahimi delivered a
devastating blow to Chalabi's future leadership hopes, recommending that
the Iraqi Governing Council, of which he is finance chair, be accorded
no governance role after the June 30 transition to sovereignty.
Meanwhile, administration neoconservatives, once united behind Chalabi
and the Iraqi National Congress he founded, are now split, as new doubts
about his long-stated commitment to a secular Iraqi democracy with ties
to Israel, and fears that he is cozying up to his Shiite co-religionists
in Iran, begin to emerge. At least one key Pentagon neocon is said to be
on his way out, a casualty of the battle over Chalabi and the increasing
chaos in Iraq, and others could follow.
"Ahmed Chalabi is a treacherous, spineless turncoat," says L. Marc Zell,
a former law partner of Douglas Feith, now the undersecretary of defense
for policy, and a former friend and supporter of Chalabi and his
aspirations to lead Iraq. "He had one set of friends before he was in
power, and now he's got another." While Zell's disaffection with Chalabi
has been a long time in the making, his remarks to Salon represent his
first public break with the would-be Iraqi leader, and are likely to
ripple throughout Washington in the days to come.
Zell, a Jerusalem attorney, continues to be a partner in the firm that
Feith left in 2001 to take the Pentagon job. He also helped Ahmed
Chalabi's nephew Salem set up a new law office in Baghdad in late 2003.
Chalabi met with Zell and other neoconservatives many times from the
mid-1990s on in London, Turkey, and the U.S. Zell outlines what Chalabi
was promising the neocons before the Iraq war: "He said he would end
Iraq's boycott of trade with Israel, and would allow Israeli companies
to do business there. He said [the new Iraqi government] would agree to
rebuild the pipeline from Mosul [in the northern Iraqi oil fields] to
Haifa [the Israeli port, and the location of a major refinery]." But
Chalabi, Zell says, has delivered on none of them. The bitter ex-Chalabi
backer believes his former friend's moves were a deliberate bait and
switch designed to win support for his designs to return to Iraq and run
the country.
Chalabi's ties to Iran -- Israel's most dangerous enemy -- have also
alarmed both his allies and his enemies in the Bush administration.
Those ties were highlighted on Monday, when Newsweek reported that "U.S.
officials say that electronic intercepts of discussions between Iranian
leaders indicate that Chalabi and his entourage told Iranian contacts
about American political plans in Iraq." According to one government
source, some of the information he gave Iran "could get people killed."
A Chalabi aide denied the allegation. According to Newsweek, the State
Department and the CIA -- Chalabi's longtime enemies -- were behind the
leak: "the State Department and the CIA are using the intelligence about
his Iran ties to persuade the president to cut him loose once and for
all."
But the neocons have bigger problems than Chalabi. As the intellectual
architects of an "easy" war gone bad, they stand to pay the price. The
first to go may be Zell's old partner Douglas Feith. Military sources
say Feith will resign his Defense Department post by mid-May. His
removal was reportedly a precondition imposed by Ambassador to the U.N.
John Negroponte when he agreed to take over from Paul Bremer as the top
U.S. official in Iraq. "Feith is on the way out," Iraqi defense minister
(and Chalabi nephew) Ali Allawi says confidently, and other sources
confirm it. Feith's boss, Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, may
follow. Bush political mastermind Karl Rove is said to be determined
that Wolfowitz move on before the November election, even if he comes
back in a second Bush term. Sources say one of the positions being
suggested is the director of Central Intelligence.
In part, the White House political crew is reacting to pressure from the
uniformed military, which is becoming a quiet but effective enemy of the
neocons. The White House seems to be performing triage to save the
political capital of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice
President Dick Cheney, Iraq hawks who have close ties to the neocons.
"Rumsfeld and Cheney stay," says an Army officer. "Powell has his guy
Negroponte in there. But the neocons are losing power day by day."
Were Chalabi's promises about Israel just a con?
Why did the neocons put such enormous faith in Ahmed Chalabi, an exile
with a shady past and no standing with Iraqis? One word: Israel. They
saw the invasion of Iraq as the precondition for a reorganization of the
Middle East that would solve Israel's strategic problems, without the
need for an accommodation with either the Palestinians or the existing
Arab states. Chalabi assured them that the Iraqi democracy he would
build would develop diplomatic and trade ties with Israel, and eschew
Arab nationalism.
Now some influential allies believe those assurances were part of an
elaborate con, and that Chalabi has betrayed his promises on Israel
while cozying up to Iranian Shia leaders. Whether because of intentional
deception or a realistic calculation of what the Iraqi people will
accept, it's clear that Chalabi won't be delivering on his bright
promises to ally a democratic Iraq with Israel. Had the neocons not been
deluded by gross ignorance of the Arab world and blinded by wishful
thinking, they would have realized that the chances that Chalabi or any
other Iraqi leader could deliver on such promises were always remote. In
fact, they need have looked no further than the Israeli media: A long
piece in Israel's Jerusalem Report magazine published nine days before
the war began last year featured Israelis who dismissed Chalabi's
promises about Israel as a political ploy, "a means by which to appeal
to the Jewish lobby and, in turn, the administration."
"Chalabi has no use for Israel. He knew all along that this was a
nonstarter," says Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer who led covert
U.S. operations inside Iraq in the mid-1990s aimed at toppling Saddam.
"Chalabi knows exactly what Israel stands for in Iraq and in Iran, with
or without Saddam. The idea of building the pipeline to Haifa, or
rapprochement with Iran ... I'm sure he told [the neocons] these things
could happen, that he played to their prejudices and said, 'This is the
new Middle East,' but he didn't believe any of it. That's the way
Chalabi operates."
"He was willing to ally with anyone to get where he is now, whether it
was the neocons, the Israelis or the Iranians," adds Baer. "He wanted
back into Iraq and nothing was going to stop him."
It could have been predicted that Chalabi would want to deal with
Israel's enemies in Iran. He and his relatives have made that clear. As
Iraq's defense minister, Ali Allawi, says, "We have a lot of problems in
common with Iran. If we could involve them in a regional security
agreement with us, that would be very fruitful." Still, Chalabi's visit
to Iran last December and his repeated assertions that peace in Iraq
requires peace with Iran first alarmed, then embittered, his old
friends.
Chalabi's neoconservative friends, however, seem to have looked away
from evidence that the businessman has always allied himself with
whomever can help him the most. In the 1980s, Chalabi's scandal-plagued
Petra Bank funneled money to Amal, a Shia militia allied with Iran in
Lebanon. And according to a former CIA case officer who worked in Iraq,
Chalabi had close ties to the Iranian regime when he was in Kurdish
Northern Iraq in the mid-1990s trying to foment resistance to Saddam. He
even dealt with Saddam himself when the price was right, and initiated a
method to finance the dictator's trade with Jordan in the 1980s through
his Petra Bank.
Chalabi's Arab admirers say they knew he'd never make good on his
promises to ally with Israel. "I was worried that he was going to do
business with the Zionists," confesses Moh'd Asad, the managing director
of the Amman, Jordan-based International Investment Arabian Group, an
industrial and agricultural exporter, who is one of Chalabi's
Palestinian friends and business partners. "He told me not to worry,
that he just needed the Jews in order to get what he wanted from
Washington, and that he would turn on them after that."
Ahmed Chalabi refused to speak to Salon. He has denounced U.N. envoy
Brahimi as an "Arab nationalist" and compared the U.S. decision to bring
back some former Iraqi soldiers to "allowing Nazis into the German
government immediately after World War II." Douglas Feith, Chalabi's
longtime ally and sponsor, also declined a request for an interview.
Nevertheless, the outline of the new conflict between the Shiite former
exile and his erstwhile sponsors is clear, based on interviews with
Iraqi officials, U.S. military personnel and intelligence officers, and
politically connected Israelis.
The crux of the conflict is Iran, and whether the U.S. should try to
make a deal with the Islamic Republic to enlist its support for peace in
Iraq. Before and immediately after the war, the neoconservative position
was that U.S. empowerment of the long-disenfranchised Shia community
would make possible an Iraqi government that would make a "warm peace"
with Israel. This in turn would pressure the rest of the Arab world to
make a similar peace, without the need to concede land to the
Palestinians.
This was, of course, a pipe dream: The Shia community in Iraq, like the
Sunni community, is overwhelmingly anti-Israel, and the entire range of
its leadership has close ties with Iran. Belatedly realizing that
Chalabi's promise to build a secular, pro-Israel Shiite government is
not going to come true, in the past couple of months the neocons in the
Defense Department have tried to come up with a new plan. Feith,
Wolfowitz and others are backing away from the Shia, due to their ties
to Iran as well as Chalabi's deceptions. They are trying to cobble
together a coalition of rehabilitated Sunni Muslim Iraqi Army officers
and Kurdish leaders backed by their militias that would have Shia
participation, but in a reduced role. For proponents of this strategy,
the front-runner to be prime minister of the next version of the
transitional government is Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani, the founder
and leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan.
This policy has very little support. It's opposed by those neocons who
still back Ahmed Chalabi and his Shia allies -- including influential
former Defense Policy Board chair Richard Perle, along with neocon
intellectuals Michael Ledeen, Bernard Lewis and Barbara Lerner. Although
they like Talabani, they oppose the tilt toward the Sunnis, and some are
still adamant that Chalabi play a role. "He's effective in bringing
groups of Iraqis together, something he's done for many years," Perle
said on CNN on March 28. "He believes in democracy. I have complete
confidence in him, and I hope the people of Iraq are wise enough to see
his benefits."
The shift in strategy toward Talabani is also being dismissed, for
different reasons, by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of State Colin Powell, John Negroponte, the new ambassador to
Iraq, and the uniformed military. They look at the Iraqi population
statistics, which show a Shia majority; a map of the country, which
shows a long, hard-to-defend border with Iran; and the U.S. military
order of battle, which shows overstretched armed forces, and conclude
there cannot be a stable Iraqi government that isn't led by the majority
Shia.
Even the Kurds have their doubts about the new rise in their standing
with the neocons. Richard Galustian, a British security contractor in
Iraq who works closely with the Kurdish authorities, says, "The
political elevation of the Kurds within Iraq will be very unpopular with
other Iraqis, and will be treated with caution by the Kurdish leaders
themselves. Many will be skeptical of the ability of the U.S.
administration to sustain and remain consistent in any new
relationships." If the Americans can turn on the Shia, the reasoning
goes, why couldn't they later turn on the Kurds?
President Bush's ability to impose order on this mess is not obvious,
and he doesn't have more than a couple of weeks to figure out a
solution. With photographs of U.S. troops torturing and abusing Iraqi
prisoners inflaming the Arab world, U.S. casualties soaring, the June 30
date to turn over sovereignty looming and no exit strategy in sight,
Bush's Iraq adventure has turned into a deadly mess that seems certain
to make the U.S. more at risk from terrorism, not less. Bush brought
this trouble on himself by buying into the neocons' interpretation of
the dynamics of the Middle East, and into Ahmed Chalabi's plans for Iraq
-- maybe most disastrously by buying Chalabi's assurances that a secular
government dominated by Israel-friendly Shia was possible. If Bush and
the neocons wanted to know about Chalabi's real deal-making nature, the
signs were there for them to read. But they didn't want to know.
Chalabi appears to have recognized that the neocons, while ruthless,
realistic and effective in bureaucratic politics, were remarkably
ignorant about the situation in Iraq, and willing to buy a fantasy of
how the country's politics worked. So he sold it to them.
A wheeler-dealer's journey from riches to disgrace in Jordan
Ahmed Chalabi's family, Shia Muslims from Kut in southern Iraq, has a
tradition of working with occupation governments, starting with the
regime of the Ottoman Turks in 1638. Chalabi's father, Abdul Haydi
Chalabi, was a member of the council of ministers of King Faisal II,
whose short-lived Hashemite dynasty was installed by the British in
1921. He was also president of the Iraqi Senate created by the
Hashemites.
The Hashemites are Sunni Muslim nobility, originally from a region in
today's Saudi Arabia. While they lost their leading position in the
Arabian peninsula to the Al Sa'ud family, they were successfully
installed as monarchs in both Jordan and Iraq with British support. The
Jordanian Hashemites found a base of support in the local Bedouin
tribes, and retain power to this day. The Iraqi Hashemite branch,
though, was strongly opposed by the local Shia Muslim ayatollahs from
the beginning. So in 1922 the Iraqi Shia religious leaders in Najaf
issued a fatwa, or decree, forbidding observant Shia from supporting the
Hashemites. The Chalabi family wasn't deterred, though. They were among
the few Shia to defy the fatwa and support the British-imposed dynasty.
They were rewarded with royal patronage, and wound up controlling the
flour milling industry in Baghdad and Basra. The fatwa was finally
lifted in 1937, and by then the Chalabis had made a fortune.
Ahmed Chalabi was born in 1944. His family reached the peak of its
wealth and influence during his childhood. In 1958, though, the
Hashemite royals were slaughtered during a military coup d'état, and the
Chalabis fled, first to Jordan, then to Britain. Chalabi reportedly
still has a British passport.
The highly intelligent Chalabi enrolled at MIT at 16, where he earned a
degree in mathematics. He then took a Ph.D. in math at the University of
Chicago in 1969. (His thesis was "On the Jacobson Radical of a Group
Algebra.") Despite these serious power-geek credentials, Chalabi has
always been known as charming, worldly, and a skilled networker. While
at Chicago, Chalabi met Albert Wohlstetter, an applied mathematician and
one of the founders of the neoconservative movement. Wohlstetter
introduced Chalabi to future movement leaders like Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz.
After earning his doctorate, Chalabi returned to the Middle East and
became a math professor in Beirut. At the time Beirut was the peaceful
financial center of the region, and in 1963 Chalabi's family had, along
with some local partners, started Mebco, or the Middle East Banking
Corp. It was run by Chalabi's brother Jawad. They had also established a
Swiss financial company, Socofi, in 1954, as well as a Swiss subsidiary
of MEBCO.
As Ahmed Chalabi has told the story, the Jordanian Hashemite crown
prince, Hassan bin Talal, persuaded him to start the Petra Bank in
Jordan in 1977. Chalabi's associates say the family had given the
Jordanian Hashemites some of the assassinated Iraqi Hashemites' overseas
assets after the 1958 coup, which no doubt helped smooth the way. The
Chalabi family's other banking and financial companies provided further
support.
Just after the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, Chalabi seems to have
first established his ties with the Iranian Shia theocracy. The new
Islamic Republic turned on the shah's former allies in Israel with a
vengeance. The Iranian regime set up a substantial intelligence and
political apparatus in Lebanon, among the oppressed local Shia.
One of the key Shia institutions in Lebanon was MEBCO in Beirut, which
by the 1980s had become a banker for the Shia Amal militia. Amal and
Hezbollah were the principal private armies in Lebanon tied to the
regime in Iran. Chalabi was placing Petra depositors' money with MEBCO
in those years; by the time Petra collapsed in 1989, bank auditors
found, the equivalent of $41 million in transactions with MEBCO were on
the books. "All the Lebanese banks were divided between political
parties and factions," says Hassan Abdul Aziz, a former director at
Petra Bank. "MEBCO bank was no different. All the Shia were close to
Iran emotionally or otherwise." A former CIA case officer in Lebanon has
a less sympathetic view. "This was basically funding a civil war, which
meant murders, assassinations, and blowing up Israelis. MEBCO was
putting their chips on every square." Iran and the Shite militias were
not the only violent elements destabilizing Lebanon in the '70s and
'80s, of course. The bloody Israeli invasions of Lebanon, along with
later punitive expeditions, inflamed the Shia and other Lebanese.
But Lebanon was not the only venue for the Chalabi family's flexible and
innovative approach to international finance. This may come as a
surprise to some of Ahmed Chalabi's newer friends, but he helped finance
Saddam Hussein's trade with Jordan during the 1980s. Specifically,
Chalabi helped organize a special trading account for Iraq at the
Jordanian central bank. Due to the problems created by the war with
Iran, Saddam Hussein was unable to obtain credit on normal terms. The
special account with the Jordanians allowed him to swap oil for
necessary imports -- at least Saddam thought they were necessary --
without going through the international credit system. As Hassan Abdul
Aziz explains, "Petra was the first to give letters of credit to Iraq,
which they did for 23 months before Banco del Lavoro did in 1984. (The
Banco del Lavoro scandal involved the provision of U.S. government
commodities loans to buy arms for Saddam Hussein.) By 1986 Jordan had $1
billion in annual trade with Iraq this way, and Petra Bank had 50% of
the market." It makes the neocons' insistence that Saddam was behind
Petra's fall -- and Chalabi's conviction for embezzling and fraud --
even less credible.
After Petra was seized by the Jordanian authorities in August 1989,
Chalabi fled Jordan in the trunk of Crown Prince Hassan's car. Chalabi
and his family were still wealthy, despite the collapse of their banking
empire, but his career in Middle East banking was over. He was now a
double exile, from Jordan as well as Iraq, comfortably ensconced in
London. Just a year after his fall, though, Saddam Hussein invaded
Kuwait. When the subsequent Gulf War weakened but did not topple Saddam,
a new possibility beckoned: the return of the Chalabi family to power in
Iraq.
Chalabi let Iranian intel agents use his safe houses
Like many people in the Middle East, Ahmed Chalabi may have had the
image of the CIA as an all-knowing organization of worldwide puppet
masters. If so, he soon learned otherwise. But in the early 1990s the
CIA looked like a good prospect to sponsor an anti-Saddam Iraqi exile
movement. At the same time, though, Chalabi was also looking to the
Islamic regime in Iran for help.
Chalabi and some fellow exiles founded the Iraqi National Congress in
1992. The INC was largely funded by the CIA, which provided part of its
support through the Rendon Group, a Washington public relations company
that also does international political work for the Department of
Defense. The CIA's support for the INC paid for two radio stations,
various propaganda operations, and training camps in northern Iraq for
Iraqi army defectors. (Northern Iraq, controlled by various Kurdish
factions and protected by U.S. air cover, was a safe haven for Iraqi
dissidents along with U.S. and allied intelligence operators.)
While Chalabi was perfectly willing to take the CIA's money, he quickly
learned that it had become an ineffectual, self-obsessed bureaucracy.
"He had absolute, total disdain for D.C.," says one of his former case
officers in northern Iraq. "He looked at the Agency, and Rendon, and
they flashed incompetence."
The case officer doesn't know precisely when Chalabi developed a deep
relationship with the Iranian clerical regime, but it was in place when
Chalabi was in northern Iraq in the early '90s. As the case officer
recounts it, "He was given safe houses and cars in northern Iraq, and
was letting them be used by agents from the Iranian Ministry of
Intelligence and Security [Vevak], and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
Corps. At one point he tried to broker a meeting between the CIA and the
Iranians."
The same officer says from time to time Chalabi would offer him
"intelligence," which the officer would turn down. "I knew it wasn't any
good, and he knew I knew. He took the refusal in good humor. We had a
good relationship. I like him."
The CIA's relationship with Chalabi came to an end after a failed
offensive in March 1995 against Saddam's forces by the small group of
INC exiles and the militia of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. The CIA
had withdrawn the support it had initially offered for the offensive, in
what looks like a classic conflict between field officers and desk
officers. Chalabi left northern Iraq the next month, and the CIA cut off
its funding for the INC. It was at this time that Chalabi turned his
attention to the American neoconservatives. The neocons were deeply
disturbed by the Israeli government's "land for peace" negotiations with
the Palestinians. The usefulness of the West Bank for "defense in depth"
was less important than it would have been from the '40s to the '70s,
given the increase in Israel's relative technological and military
advantage over the Arabs. However, the idea of giving up what Israel's
right-wing Likud leaders and some of the neocons themselves believed to
be Israel's God-given lands on the West Bank of the Jordan River was
anathema to them. The solution to Israel's strategic dilemma, in their
view, was to somehow change the Arab governments.
The neoconservative strategy for Israel was laid out in a 1996 paper
called "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," issued by
the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Jerusalem
(but written by Americans). The principal authors for the paper were
Douglas Feith, then a lawyer with the Washington and Jerusalem firm of
Feith and Zell, and Richard Perle, who until last year was the chairman
of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory committee for Defense Secretary
Rumsfeld
In the section on Iraq, and the necessity of removing Saddam Hussein,
there was telltale "intelligence" from Chalabi and his old Jordanian
Hashemite patron, Prince Hassan: "The predominantly Shi'a population of
southern Lebanon has been tied for centuries to the Shi'a leadership in
Najaf, Iraq, rather than Iran. Were the Hashemites to control Iraq, they
could use their influence over Najaf to help Israel wean the south
Lebanese Shi'a away from Hizbollah, Iran, and Syria. Shi'a retain strong
ties to the Hashemites." Of course the Shia with "strong ties to the
Hashemites" was the family of Ahmed Chalabi. Perle, Feith and other
contributors to the "Clean Break" seemed not to recall the 15-year fatwa
the clerics of Najaf proclaimed against the Iraqi Hashemites. Or the
still more glaring fact, pointed out by Rashid Khalidi in his new book
"Resurrecting Empire," that Shiites are loyal only to descendants of the
prophet Muhammad's son-in-law, Ali, and reject all other lineages,
including the Hashemites. As Khalidi caustically notes, "Perle and his
colleagues were here proposing the complete restructuring of a region
whose history and religion their suggestions reveal they know hardly
anything about." In short, the Iraqi component of the neocons "new
strategy" was based on an ignorant fantasy of prospective Shia support
for ties with Israel.
For Ahmed Chalabi, the neoconservatives' support was the key to getting
Washington on his side. And Chalabi's leadership, in turn, was key to
the neocons' support for the INC. Perle and Feith, along with future
Bush administration officials Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, signed
the February 1998 "open letter" to President Clinton, in which they
listed nine policy steps that were in the "vital national interest" of
the United States. The first of these was "Recognize a provisional
government of Iraq based on the principles and leaders of the Iraqi
National Congress (INC) that is representative of all the peoples of
Iraq." In October 1998, under intense lobbying pressure from the
neocons, Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the "Iraqi
Liberation Act," which provided money and U.S. legitimacy for Chalabi's
INC, along with six other exile groups.
However, while Chalabi had proven himself as a lobbyist, if not a
guerrilla leader, he had a continuous uphill battle with U.S.
intelligence agencies, diplomats and the military, who never liked the
INC's loose ways with the facts and taxpayer money. This meant that
Chalabi had to constantly reinforce his countervailing support from the
neoconservatives -- at least until they took power in the Bush
administration in 2001, and squashed all dissonant internal voices on
Chalabi. That's when Chalabi and his allies stepped up their planning
for an American overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Behind the scenes, Chalabi
was also detailing for the neoconservatives and their Israeli allies in
the Likud party how the INC would take care of Israel.
One of the key promises he made concerned the revival of the Iraq-Israel
oil pipeline. The pipeline from the oilfields of Kirkuk and Mosul to
Haifa had been built by the British in the late 1920s, and was one of
the main targets of the Palestinian Arab revolt in 1936-38. The 8-inch
line was finally cut after Israel's independence in 1948. The sections
in Arab territory have mostly rusted away or been carted off for scrap.
The Israeli section is used as an irrigation pipe. The fully surveyed
right of way, though, remains. It could handle a modern, 42-inch pipe,
sufficient to supply the Haifa refinery.
With Chalabi's encouragement, the Israeli Ministry of National
Infrastructure, which is responsible for oil pipelines, dusted off and
updated plans for a new pipeline from Iraq. "The pipeline would be a
dream," says Joseph Paritzky, the minister of national infrastructures.
"We'd have an additional source of supply, and could even export some of
the crude through Haifa. If we could build it, a pipeline would give us
stable transport prices. Compare that to tankers; this year their price
has almost tripled. We could also avoid problems such as strikes in our
ports, which I've had to deal with. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq,
and a treaty with Jordan to build the pipeline."
With Chalabi in power in Iraq, either in front or behind the scenes, L.
Marc Zell confirms, the neocons were told there would be such a treaty
with Iraq. "He promised that. He promised a lot of things."
Just after the U.S. takeover of Iraq, but before the establishment of
the Governing Council of which Chalabi would be finance chair, Paritzky
was lobbied by INC representatives in a meeting at the Dead Sea Marriott
Hotel resort in Jordan. "We had a chitchat about it with the Iraqis, and
with the Jordanians. But we couldn't go to the market and raise funds
based on chitchat. We would have needed more to go on." Nevertheless,
shortly afterward, on April 9, 2003, Paritzky announced a new technical
appraisal of the pipeline.
The neocons in the Defense Department, such as Undersecretary of Defense
for Policy Douglas Feith, were more optimistic about the pipeline
project than Paritzky, who knew too much about the Middle East to be
easily enthused by Chalabi's promises. The DOD neocons sent a telegram
directly to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, violating protocol in
bypassing the State Department, expressing interest and support for the
pipeline project. The State Department had been told by the Jordanians
that there would be no pipeline unless the Israelis reached a settlement
with the Palestinians. The neocons didn't want to hear that. "If the
government agreed to a pipeline without a Palestinian settlement," says
a Jordanian official, "the monarchy would fall."
In the meantime, having used the neocons to get himself on the Governing
Council, Chalabi appointed friends and relatives to key positions in the
government. His nephew Salem (Sam) Chalabi, a lawyer, did much of the
drafting of the interim constitution. Another nephew, Ali Allawi, was
made minister of trade, with responsibility over foreign trade and
investment in Iraq (he was later also named defense minister). Other
Chalabi nominees went into the Central Bank, the Finance Ministry and
the Oil Ministry.
But Chalabi had his eye on the bigger picture. The wealthy exile had
visited Tehran before the war, in August 2002 and January 2003. On those
trips he met with senior Iranian officials, and with Mohammed Bakr
Al-Hakim, the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution
in Iraq, the main Shia opposition group. The neoconservatives chose to
overlook these visits to a member of the "Axis of Evil." It could be
argued that there was no other way to liaise with Iraqi Shia leaders.
Then in December 2003, Chalabi went to Tehran to meet with Hasan Rohani,
the head of Iran's Supreme National Security Council. At that meeting,
Chalabi said, "The role of the Islamic Republic of Iran in supporting
and guiding the opposition in their struggles against Saddam's regime in
the past, and its assistance toward the establishment of security and
stability in Iraq at present, are regarded highly by the people of
Iraq."
U.S. intelligence agencies, along with leading neocons, began to look
again at just who Chalabi's real friends might be, especially since
Iranian intelligence agents from his old friends at Vevak were known to
be active in Iraq. Also, the Israelis began to notice that Chalabi's old
promises had been forgotten.
"I just got the bid papers for a $145 million highway project that were
put out by the Iraqis, and they had the Israeli boycott language in
them," an Israeli in Baghdad told me in March. "Chalabi promised the
boycott would be over."
An Israeli minister scoffs at the neocons: "Didn't they notice they were
in the Middle East?"
Ali Allawi, the Chalabi nephew in charge of the Ministry of Trade, and
now also the minister of defense, calls trade with Israel "a
non-starter. We aren't plugged into that network, and as far as I'm
concerned they sell things we don't need. As for the boycott. I don't
care. What's the matter with it? The U.S. boycotts Cuba, and nobody says
anything about it.
"Our future is more to the east, with Iran, and to the south, with the
Gulf states. Iran has natural geographic ties to Iraq. I'm not
interested in what those neoconservatives at the (Coalition Provisional
Authority) have to say about Iran. We don't have sufficient port
capacity, for example. We should use the Iranian ports and roads. Iraq
should have fundamental economic and trade relations with Iran, and
Turkey, as long as they reciprocate, and I think they will." He
dismissed the Mosul-Haifa pipeline with a wave of his hand.
Nabil Al Moussa, the deputy minister of planning for the Oil Ministry,
confirmed Allawi's position. Asked whether the ministry had any plans
for rebuilding the pipeline to Israel, his previous professional
courtesy went out the window. "Absolutely not, and never! Don't ever ask
us if we will sell oil to Israel, because we never will!"
Told of Allawi's and Al Moussa's reaction, Joseph Paritzky was
philosophical, and a little contemptuous of his would-be neocon
benefactors. "How naive can these Americans be? What, they thought they
had a deal? Didn't they notice they were in the Middle East?" A neocon's
reaction to Paritzky was characteristic: "He's a populist asshole who
should have kept his mouth shut." But Paritzky obviously understood
Middle Eastern politics far better than the neocons.
While the neocons felt they could ignore negative reports on Chalabi
from the CIA, the State Department and other bureaucratic enemies, they
have a harder time dismissing what comrades like Marc Zell have to say.
Nevertheless, for the time being, many are sticking to the Bush strategy
of staying on message and never admitting to mistakes. For example, last
week, Michael Ledeen, a leading neocon at the American Enterprise
Institute, complained in the National Review Online about "the cascade
of anti-Chalabi leaks from his many mortal enemies at the Department of
State and the Central Intelligence Agency." Changing the message is
painful. As one neocon says: "The worst part of all this [Chalabi's
betrayal] is that it will be embarrassing to my friends in the
Pentagon."
Defense minister Allawi doubts that the neocons will be able to prevail
in their plan to replace Shia dominance in the new Iraq with the
Sunni-Kurdish coalition. "This is the last stand of the neocons, I
think. The U.S. does have a new policy, which is to find a way to leave.
That plan isn't the way to do it. I hear Condi Rice's office opposes the
idea, and so does Ambassador Negroponte."
"We really don't have any choice," says a former intelligence officer
and West Pointer in Iraq. "We have to make a deal, though we probably
don't have to deal with Iran directly. We can make it through the Shia
clergy in Iraq."
Allawi dismisses Feith and the neocons and what he calls "their
grandiose schemes," but adds, "The neocons still have some influence,
partly because they have good ties with the Kurds. And Sharon is still
the 840-pound gorilla for U.S. policy."
Clearly the neocons are now in the process of retreating and regrouping.
The consensus they'd forged among themselves on Iraq policy has
dissolved. The massive plans for the democratization of the Middle East
are heading for the recycling bin. Meanwhile, Chalabi's hopes for
playing a leadership role in Iraq appear to be gone, although the crafty
businessman's ability to resurrect himself from the dead should not be
underestimated. It should also be noted that Chalabi family members
continue to wield power in Iraq, and will likely continue to. For
example, defense minister Allawi insists that he is not "in my uncle's
entourage. Instead I travel alongside him." The remark can be
interpreted to mean that he doesn't take orders from his uncle, and yet
they are still close. Allawi has had a rather more conventional business
career than that of his uncle, which has helped his political position
in Iraq. While an early investor in Petra Bank, he soon parted company
with his uncle and the other partners. He went on to become a successful
and respectable portfolio manager in London before returning to Iraq
last year.
In the end, despite the neocons' best hopes, Iran has emerged as crucial
to the administration's desire for a political settlement in Iraq.
Governments in the neighboring countries have taken notice of the
neocons' big blunder. "The Iranians have proven to be absolutely
brilliant in all of this," says a well-connected Jordanian. "They're
showing that they're going to be the ones to win this one, and they'll
do it with American money and lives."
For his part, Allawi praises what he sees as the U.S. military's new
realism about the need for what he calls "a cold peace" with Iran.
"There is no way to have stability in Iraq without Iran," he insists.
"The U.S. military has been very correct in its contact with Iran at the
border, and has never violated the unwritten agreement."
The neocons' Iraq triumph of last year has turned to ashes. Their Likud
allies in Israel are bitterly split over Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's
plans for the settlements in the territories. They have a coldly hostile
Iraqi government coming in the near future. The clerical regime they
loathe in Iran has dramatically improved its strategic position. Some of
them must be rueing the day they met Ahmed Chalabi, who told them the
fairy tales they wanted to hear.
±
A recent poll of Americans said over half still believe the war in Iraq
was over 9/11.
Don Wheeler
I bet the other half believes that Iraq is just one
part of great Muslim "evil" that must be
subjugated or destroyed before it can destroy us.
On second thought , I don't think even the Americans
are stupid enough to fall for that.
I think they are willing to allow figure heads like
Bush to do what ever they want just so long as it is
exciting and entertaining.
In a word, they are lazy , apathetic, stupid , *and*
could care less about it..
As for me ,
Every time I put the gas nozzle into my cars gas
tank , I yell loud enough for everyone near to hear,
"GOD DAMN YOU ! George Bush"
sophie
<h0plib...@hotmail.com> writes
and lets face it; that's closer to the truth than believing it was over
weapons of mass destruction.
--
sophie
mhm34x20
Scott in Florida
<sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>and lets face it; that's closer to the truth than believing it was over
>weapons of mass destruction.
Are the only people in England to have balls
1. Americans that left your island
2. Your leader
3. Your military
??????
You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
Scott in Florida
sophie
Florida <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> writes
that's as maybe, but I don't quite understand what it has to do with
questioning the WMD excuse for the war in/on Iraq?
--
sophie
mhm34x20
Bill Cleere
"sophie" <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:w4xY7LGI...@193.38.113.3...
C'mon, give the guy a break, will ya? It's all he's got.
-- Bill Cleere
Scott in Florida
In case you missed it...we found WMD....
Scott in Florida
Julian D.
wrote:
The war in Iraq is part of the war on terrorism.
Anti-American muslims are all suspects in the war on terrorism.
JD
±
Where is the al Qaeda linkage to Hussein?
> Anti-American muslims are all suspects in the war on terrorism.
Says who?
>
> JD
±
One shell is *Weapons of Mass Destruction*?
^
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~417~2154419,00.html
More questions for Rumsfeld
Tuesday, May 18, 2004
editorial
Saturday's discovery of an explosive device that may have contained
sarin ingredients doesn't qualify as evidence of weapons of mass
destruction.
> Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
wrote:
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:21:28 +0100, sophie
>> <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >In message <28eka0tutg9c561p2...@4ax.com>, Scott in
>> >Florida <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> writes
>> >>On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:52:33 +0100, sophie
>> >><sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>and lets face it; that's closer to the truth than believing it was over
>> >>>weapons of mass destruction.
>> >>
>> >>Are the only people in England to have balls
>> >>
>> >>1. Americans that left your island
>> >>2. Your leader
>> >>3. Your military
>> >>
>> >>??????
>> >>
>> >>You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
>> >
>> >that's as maybe, but I don't quite understand what it has to do with
>> >questioning the WMD excuse for the war in/on Iraq?
>>
>> In case you missed it...we found WMD....
>
>One shell is *Weapons of Mass Destruction*?
Yes it is...
That one shell could kill thousands of people...
> ^
>
>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~417~2154419,00.html
>
>More questions for Rumsfeld
>Tuesday, May 18, 2004
>editorial
>
>Saturday's discovery of an explosive device that may have contained
>sarin ingredients doesn't qualify as evidence of weapons of mass
>destruction.
>
>
>
>
>> Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
±
>
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:09:28 -0700, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Scott in Florida wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:21:28 +0100, sophie
> >> <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In message <28eka0tutg9c561p2...@4ax.com>, Scott in
> >> >Florida <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> writes
> >> >>On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:52:33 +0100, sophie
> >> >><sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>and lets face it; that's closer to the truth than believing it was over
> >> >>>weapons of mass destruction.
> >> >>
> >> >>Are the only people in England to have balls
> >> >>
> >> >>1. Americans that left your island
> >> >>2. Your leader
> >> >>3. Your military
> >> >>
> >> >>??????
> >> >>
> >> >>You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
> >> >
> >> >that's as maybe, but I don't quite understand what it has to do with
> >> >questioning the WMD excuse for the war in/on Iraq?
> >>
> >> In case you missed it...we found WMD....
> >
> >One shell is *Weapons of Mass Destruction*?
>
> Yes it is...
There was more than one?
> That one shell could kill thousands of people...
It exploded - how many thousands died?
>
> > ^
> >
> >http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~417~2154419,00.html
> >
> >More questions for Rumsfeld
> >Tuesday, May 18, 2004
> >editorial
> >
> >Saturday's discovery of an explosive device that may have contained
> >sarin ingredients doesn't qualify as evidence of weapons of mass
> >destruction.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Scott in Florida
>
> Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
wrote:
Yes...
>
>> That one shell could kill thousands of people...
>
>It exploded - how many thousands died?
Luckily it exploded...go read about the WMD and come back and let us
know how dangerous it is...
>
>
>>
>> > ^
>> >
>> >http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~417~2154419,00.html
>> >
>> >More questions for Rumsfeld
>> >Tuesday, May 18, 2004
>> >editorial
>> >
>> >Saturday's discovery of an explosive device that may have contained
>> >sarin ingredients doesn't qualify as evidence of weapons of mass
>> >destruction.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Scott in Florida
>>
>> Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
±
All referrals are singular:
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/05/1b42f9f7-2e25-4ffb-8231-e407bee36977.html
The Sarin-Laced Shell: Major Discovery Or A Curious Relic?
(...)
But O'Hanlon says that if a small arsenal still exists at weapons depots
around the country, its potency lies not in its chemical makeup, but in
its status as a relic of a dangerous part of Iraq's pre-war past.
"It's not by itself a huge threat. But some people seem to have
forgotten he ever had much of this stuff, ever really wanted it, ever
used it. And this is one more visible reminder that there used to be a
lot of this stuff in Iraq. On the other hand, I think the chances are
that there's not much any more," O'Hanlon said.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/8689600.htm
Sarin Nerve Agent Bomb Explodes in Iraq
U.S. troops have announced the discovery of other chemical weapons
before, only to see them disproved by later tests. Deputy State
Department spokesman Adam Ereli said "the jury is still out" on whether
chemical or other weapons of mass destruction remained in Iraq.
> >> That one shell could kill thousands of people...
> >
> >It exploded - how many thousands died?
>
> Luckily it exploded...go read about the WMD and come back and let us
> know how dangerous it is...
Detonation = Dispersal.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > ^
> >> >
> >> >http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~417~2154419,00.html
> >> >
> >> >More questions for Rumsfeld
> >> >Tuesday, May 18, 2004
> >> >editorial
> >> >
> >> >Saturday's discovery of an explosive device that may have contained
> >> >sarin ingredients doesn't qualify as evidence of weapons of mass
> >> >destruction.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Scott in Florida
> >>
> >> Scott in Florida
>
> Scott in Florida
Richard Hutnik
... SNIP ...
> Chalabi and his phony intelligence mill are still raking in
> hundreds of thousands of American dollars every month for
> such "intelligence."
I thought Chalabi was a type of bread they served at Quiznos.
- Richard Hutnik :-P
±
>
> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
Trolling?
>
> --
> --
> "I see what the nhh-stars do, because so fair is their shape; it is
> well for me with them and it is well for them. I am a nhh-star, the
> companion of a nhh-star, I become a nhh-star, and I will not suffer for
> ever."
> EvilBill - http://www.evilbill.co.uk
> My Quake2 FTP site: ftp://65.30.181.223/quake/EvilBill/
h0plib...@hotmail.com
h0plib...@hotmail.com
h0plib...@hotmail.com
h0plib...@hotmail.com
±
Do you think Chalabi will have enough money left over to open up a few
Quiznos in Tehran?:
1:48 PM PDT, May 18, 2004
Chalabi Loses Pentagon Financial Backing
By Mary Curtius, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Ahmad Chalabi, the controversial Iraqi exile whom some
senior Bush administration officials once thought might lead postwar
Iraq, has lost his Pentagon paycheck, a senior Pentagon official
confirmed today.
For months, congressional critics had complained that the Pentagon was
paying Chalabi and his group, the Iraqi National Congress, $340,000 a
month, even after U.S. intelligence agencies found that pre-war
intelligence provided by the INC about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass
destruction was at times misleading, inflated or fabricated.
In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today, Deputy
Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, one of Chalabi's strongest
supporters within the administration, said the Pentagon has decided to
cut off the INC's funding.
He offered a terse explanation for the move.
It was, Wolfowitz said, "a decision that was made in light of the
process of transferring sovereignty to the Iraqi people."
"We felt it was no longer appropriate for us to continue funding in that
fashion," Wolfowitz told the committee. "There's been some very valuable
intelligence that's been gathered through that process that's been very
valuable for our forces. But we will seek to obtain that in the future
through normal intelligence channels."
It was unclear whether the cutoff marks a final break between the Bush
administration and the charismatic Chalabi, who for years was one of the
most effective Iraqi exiles lobbying Congress and previous U.S.
administrations to help Iraqis overthrow Hussein's regime.
Chalabi enjoyed strong support from the Pentagon and from many
neoconservative scholars, who saw him as a Western-educated secular
Shiite who could help transform Iraq into a pro-Western nation in the
heart of the Middle East.
In a profile that The Times ran of Chalabi in April, 2003, historian
Bernard Lewis of Princeton University praised Chalabi as "a man of
courage and devotion and honor."
But Chalabi also had harsh critics, both here and in the Arab world. In
the 1980s, Jordan convicted Chalabi in absentia and sentenced him to 22
years in prison for bank fraud and embezzlement after the Petra Bank
that he headed collapsed.
Although the INC was one of many Iraqi exile groups that received
funding from the State Department before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, that
funding ended in September, 2003.
Senior officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence
Agency came to regard Chalabi as an unreliable ally who was angling to
grab power in postwar Iraq.
Shortly after the U.S. invaded Iraq last year, the Pentagon airlifted
Chalabi into southern Iraq, hoping that he would rally Shiites and other
Iraqis who shared his vision of a secular Iraq. But public opinion polls
in Iraq have shown that Chalabi, a member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi
Governing Council, has little popular support.
> - Richard Hutnik :-P
--
http://www.geocities.com/snuhsite
From: Frere Jean Bleu <FrJ...@ifrance.com>
Message-ID: <r1kfa0dao0k2lrm2u...@4ax.com>
I've done some research on this Dean Humphries character.
Apparently he was on a Simpsons newsgroup, started using the term
"SNUH" (Springfieldians for Nonviolence, Understanding, and Helping)
repeated until everyone got sick of the joke. Then started using the
term "penis" plus some killer .sig blocks. He went off the rails from
there.
Bill Cleere
news:40A9AB5D...@hotmail.com...
> "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used
> for the production of biological weapons." - George W. Bush September
> 12, 2002
>
> "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
> materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve
> agent." - George W. Bush January 28, 2003
[snip]
"In 1970...the New York Times reported that during the Korean War,
when US forces were overwhelmed by 'human waves' of Chinese,
'the Army dug into captured Nazi chemical warfare documents describing
Sarin, a nerve gas so lethal that a few pounds could kill thousands of
people in minutes. ....By the mid-nineteen-fifties, the Army was
manufacturing thousands of gallons of Sarin.'"
(William Blum, _Killing Hope_, p. 27)
-- Bill Cleere
Philip®
Maybe one of Quiznos' secret sauces?
--
- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM
Bill Cleere
news:fs4la0p6rsb9j8l20...@4ax.com...
You naughty troll, you.
Bill Cleere
news:gdbla0ptguuh43kam...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 00:23:32 -0700, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com>
As are anti-American non-Muslim Americans, who have
come to the conclusion that their own country is the
greatest threat to peace and justice in the world.
As, come to think of it, are all Americans, and everybody
else in the world.
Can you *prove* you're not part of a terrorist sleeper cell?
-- Bill Cleere
Bill Cleere
"EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > EvilBill wrote:
> >>
> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
> >
> > Trolling?
> >
>
> *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a smoking
> crater. <g>
Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
-- Bill Cleere
EvilBill
<bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
> "EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
>> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> EvilBill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
>>>> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
>>>
>>> Trolling?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not, but as soon as a thread gets crossposted to the Flonk you
>> just *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a
>> smoking crater. <g>
>
> Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
>
Oook!
Was there an alien invasion?
--
--
Joseph Oberlander
We "found" one rustly previously buried pre-first-gulf-war
shell that some rebels dug up and rigged to blow up, thinking
it was an explosive round.
You do know that they are still finding unexploded bombs and
shells in France from WWI, don't you? A leftover from his
gassing of kurds over a decade ago isn't a WMD program.
Scott in Florida
...let's get this straight...
'leftover from gassing of kurds' isn't a WMD?
...If I remember correctly the mighty UN TOLD and ORDERED him to
destroy everything. If he did not do as ORDERED ... What might
happen????????????
Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
<donwh...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Of course our Intel knew back when how much he had.
>We supplied it.
>When teenage Iranians began to offer themselves up
>as human mine clearing devices
>to open paths for suicidal human wave attacks
>against the Iraqi invaders, Rumsfeld
>and Cheney et al began to supply Saddam with illegal
>chemical and biological weapons
>to better slaughter the Iranians.
>I don't have any antidoteal information as to
>whether or not
>we expected, knew or wanted the same to be used
>against Iraq's Kurds and Shiites.
>I have always puzzled over this arming of him by us
>as I'm sure it bothered the Israelis
>greatly, but I guess we convinced them we would
>protect them and that it was in their interest
>somehow.
>It is the one major part of the jigsaw puzzle that
>is the US geopolitical policy in the region
>that i am at a complete loss to understand what our
>motives were .
Pretty simple....
Let all the rag heads kill themselves.
Seems pretty good to me....
Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
<bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
>Can you *prove* you're not part of a terrorist sleeper cell?
>
>-- Bill Cleere
>
Sure...
I love to look at nekkid womans and eat pork..
ROFLMAO
Scott in Florida
Eris
Ah yes the fundy mentality. Miss one of several thousand and it what
you did destroy doesn't count.
This is why fundies are considered assholes and avoided by normies.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
Eris
Generally they take the fundy approach and only kill those that don't
agree with them, which would probably be you.
>Seems pretty good to me....
>
>
>Scott in Florida
Eris
<NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 May 2004 05:11:05 GMT, "Bill Cleere"
><bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Can you *prove* you're not part of a terrorist sleeper cell?
>>
>>-- Bill Cleere
>>
>
>Sure...
>
>I love to look at nekkid womans and eat pork..
Your affection for Miss Piggy aside...
>
>ROFLMAO
Richard Hutnik
Nah, bread. I remember having one of their sandwiches on Chalabi
bread. Wait, maybe it is Chibatcha bread. Ahh, who cares, it is
toasted either way.
- Richard Hutnik
For crying out people, lighten up.
:-P
Scott in Florida
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:28:51 GMT, Scott in Florida
><NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 May 2004 05:11:05 GMT, "Bill Cleere"
>><bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can you *prove* you're not part of a terrorist sleeper cell?
>>>
>>>-- Bill Cleere
>>>
>>
>>Sure...
>>
>>I love to look at nekkid womans and eat pork..
>
>Your affection for Miss Piggy aside...
Now those are fighting words...
You leave my gf out of this...........LOL
>>
>>ROFLMAO
>>
>>
>>Scott in Florida
>
>
>
>
>--Remove Pi from email.
>
>It was like that when I found it.
Scott in Florida
Scott in Florida
wrote:
>>Pretty simple....
>>
>>Let all the rag heads kill themselves.
>>
>Generally they take the fundy approach and only kill those that don't
>agree with them, which would probably be you.
>
>>Seems pretty good to me....
>>
>>
>>Scott in Florida
>
>
>
>
>--Remove Pi from email.
>
>It was like that when I found it.
LOL
Bring em ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lock and LOAD.....
Scott in Florida
Eris
Load and lock Scott, I know that lock and load is more fun to say but
first you have to load it before you can lock it.
Bill Cleere
"Eris" <vitha...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:6kjma0li5pho4cf8k...@4ax.com...
Ah, nostalgia.... Thanks for reminding of better days long ago when
I was a supervisor of security guards, and I used to tell them that
there were only two sentences they had to remember to answer
any question about why something went wrong on their shift:
"It was like that when I got here."
"It always does that."
-- Bill Cleere
Philip®
> "PhilipŽ" <1chip-...@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:<2ZBqc.1057$Tn6...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
>>
>> Maybe one of Quiznos' secret sauces?
>
> Nah, bread. I remember having one of their sandwiches on Chalabi
> bread. Wait, maybe it is Chibatcha bread. Ahh, who cares, it is
> toasted either way.
>
> - Richard Hutnik
>
> For crying out people, lighten up.
> :-P
There is a new Quiznos in my travels. Have yet to stop in. I'll put
that on the "honey do" list. LOL
Richard
news:eugma0ha3argiem07...@4ax.com:
What he said is that it is not a WMD program. Obviously, it is a WMD.
--
Richard
Don Wheeler
Scott in Florida wrote:
[Snip]
> Pretty simple....
>
> Let all the rag heads kill themselves.
>
> Seems pretty good to me....
>
> Scott in Florida
Well , Scott in Florida,
I wonder what would cause a person to say things like
you just did, and I'm thinking of a red neck, southern ,
alcoholic frat boy who in in another day and time would
be part of a mob lynching local blacks or beating gays, but
those two activities are currently frowned upon here.
The only way you get to excretes those urges of yours these
days is to be in the Army.
So I guess you just get to talk about it and hope for sniggering
giggles from the retrograde, fetal alcohol brain damaged crew
in your audience.
It is a fascist , racist, and pig thinking mentality like this
that is the direct cause of much of the suffering in the world
, regardless of whose hand is inflicting it.
It ends up in things like genocide and 3,000 people being crushed
to death in the burning ruins of the 9-11 buildings.
don in New York
Scott in Florida
ROFLMAO
don....are one of the voters for Hillary?
ROFLMAO
Scott in Florida
Richard Hutnik
> Richard Hutnik wrote:
> > "Philip®" <1chip-...@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:<2ZBqc.1057$Tn6...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> >>
> >> Maybe one of Quiznos' secret sauces?
> >
> > Nah, bread. I remember having one of their sandwiches on Chalabi
> > bread. Wait, maybe it is Chibatcha bread. Ahh, who cares, it is
> > toasted either way.
> >
> > - Richard Hutnik
> >
> > For crying out people, lighten up.
> > :-P
>
> There is a new Quiznos in my travels. Have yet to stop in. I'll put
> that on the "honey do" list. LOL
They have low carb flatbread, so I am more inclined to eat there now.
Well, hopefully, on the diet front, the best of low carb and low fat
will merge, and people will have more healthy choices to choose from.
Low carb has improved the quality of bread from a health standpoint.
- Richard Hutnik
Philip®
> "PhilipŽ" <1chip-...@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message>>> "PhilipŽ" <1chip-...@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:<2ZBqc.1057$Tn6...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe one of Quiznos' secret sauces?
>>>
>>> Nah, bread. I remember having one of their sandwiches on Chalabi
>>> bread. Wait, maybe it is Chibatcha bread. Ahh, who cares, it is
>>> toasted either way.
>>>
>>> - Richard Hutnik
>>>
>>> For crying out people, lighten up.
>>> :-P
>>
>> There is a new Quiznos in my travels. Have yet to stop in. I'll
>> put
>> that on the "honey do" list. LOL
>
> They have low carb flatbread, so I am more inclined to eat there
> now.
>
> Well, hopefully, on the diet front, the best of low carb and low
> fat
> will merge, and people will have more healthy choices to choose
> from.
> Low carb has improved the quality of bread from a health
> standpoint.
>
> - Richard Hutnik
At my weight, I have to grab for EVERY last calorie I can stuff down.
Ate at a "Philly's Best" today. THEY know how to make a beef
sandwich you can sink your teeth into! Too bad they don't sell beer
too!
Bill Cleere
> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis Bill Cleere
> <bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
> > "EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> > message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> EvilBill wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >>>> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
> >>>
> >>> Trolling?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not, but as soon as a thread gets crossposted to the Flonk you
> >> just *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a
> >> smoking crater. <g>
> >
> > Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
> >
>
> Oook!
> Was there an alien invasion?
Nah... A few tough kids just kicked their asses
the old-fashioned way.
-- Bill Cleere
±
>
> Stalking me again (in article <2h1k6tF...@uni-berlin.de>), "Bill Cleere"
> <bcl...@philipkdick.com> lurched towards the keyboard and quickly scribbled:
> >
> >"EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> >message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > EvilBill wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
> >> >
> >> > Trolling?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm not, but as soon as a thread gets crossposted to the Flonk you just
> >> *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a smoking
> >> crater. <g>
> >
> >Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
>
How long have you been subbed to AGD?
> >-- Bill Cleere
> >
> >> "I see what the nhh-stars do, because so fair is their shape; it is
> >> well for me with them and it is well for them. I am a nhh-star, the
> >> companion of a nhh-star, I become a nhh-star, and I will not suffer for
> >> ever."
> >> EvilBill - http://www.evilbill.co.uk
> >> My Quake2 FTP site: ftp://65.30.181.223/quake/EvilBill/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
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>
> Ah aaaaHHHH ahh. Duh, duh duh, duh duh-duh duh. Meow. Meow! Meow! Meow!
03:15:38 GMT
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:52:33 +0100, sophie
> <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >and lets face it; that's closer to the truth than believing it was over
> >weapons of mass destruction.
>
> Are the only people in England to have balls
>
> 1. Americans that left your island
> 2. Your leader
> 3. Your military
>
> ??????
Believing what your government tells you doesn't take balls.
> You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
You write like a retard, Scotty.
--
Ari <fun...@all.at>
subRoutine@W2mm
news:40ac8d67$0$74227$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> Scott in Florida <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> did this:
>
> > On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:52:33 +0100, sophie
> > <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
>
> You write like a retard, Scotty.
You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
_-
-_
subRoutine <http://www.softtargets.com>
0,0,1
Scott in Florida
wrote:
>"03:15:38 GMT" <as...@mail.gr> wrote in message
>news:40ac8d67$0$74227$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> Scott in Florida <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> did this:
>>
>> > On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:52:33 +0100, sophie
>> > <sophie-usenet...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>[...]
>>
>> > You 'and our Demoncrat left' are a basket case....
>>
>> You write like a retard, Scotty.
>
>You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
>
>_-
LOL
pot kettle...black???
Scott in Florida
subRoutine@W2mm
news:ci8pa0h3fr6o44e0v...@4ax.com...
Unfortunately for you, an intelligent person would have demonstrated more
confidence.
03:15:38 GMT
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 05:11:05 GMT, "Bill Cleere"
> <bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
>
> >Can you *prove* you're not part of a terrorist sleeper cell?
>
> Sure...
>
> I love to look at nekkid womans
So the offer of getting to play tag with dozens of virgins could
conceivably inspire you to do horrible things. Quite suspicious, that.
> and eat pork..
Lock up the Jews, eh, Scotty?
> ROFLMAO
You still write like a retard.
--
Ari <fun...@all.at>
03:15:38 GMT
> You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
I'm doing it yet again right now.
--
Ari <fun...@all.at>
03:15:38 GMT
> Pretty simple....
>
> Let all the rag heads kill themselves.
>
> Seems pretty good to me....
Does this mean you opposed the Iraq war, Scotty?
--
Ari <fun...@all.at>
Julian D.
wrote:
One is too many.
Why does the left feel the need to continually defend Hussein?
>This is why fundies are considered assholes and avoided by normies.
>
>
>
>--Remove Pi from email.
>
>It was like that when I found it.
JD
subRoutine@W2mm
> "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
>
> > You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
>
> I'm doing it yet again right now.
IKY's don't count.
Eris
Flaagg
writes...
> "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
>
> > You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
>
> I'm doing it yet again right now.
Very nice, but I would have responded with the simple "Yes, I do."
Oh, sure, the dumber members of the audience wouldn't "get" this subtler
version of the same insult, but who cares what Marijames thinks anyway?
--
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"Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater."
- Bill Cleere just doesn't get it in article
<2h1k6tF...@uni-berlin.de>
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--
subRoutine@W2nm
id: <MPG.1b172dcd9...@news.comcast.giganews.com>:
>In article <2h3of6F...@uni-berlin.de>, 03:15:38 GMT <as...@mail.gr>
>writes...
>
>> "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
>>
>> > You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
>>
>> I'm doing it yet again right now.
>
>Very nice, but I would have responded with the simple "Yes, I do."
>
>Oh, sure, the dumber members of the audience wouldn't "get" this subtler
>version of the same insult, but who cares what Marijames thinks anyway?
Huh? I don't get it.
Julian D.
wrote:
Liberals hate America and will take every opportunity to besmirch it.
>>>This is why fundies are considered assholes and avoided by normies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--Remove Pi from email.
>>>
>>>It was like that when I found it.
>>
>>
>>JD
>
>
>
>
>--Remove Pi from email.
>
>It was like that when I found it.
JD
subRoutine.W2@mm
<sOO...@W2mm.can> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Imposter
[...]
Mimicry is the greatest form of flattery.
_-
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subRoutine <http://www.softtargets.com>
Overunity Energy Mechanism
0,0,1
Don Wheeler
*This* is news to me !
Can anyone tell me Just *when*, or * where * anyone
expressed or exhibited
"the need to continually defend Hussein" ?
OR better yet, can someone point to, or quote , or
describe in any way , any where, amy time , or any
place,
where anyone *except* Dick Cheney or Don Rumsfeld
(when he was our favorite Iranian killing dictator)
"defended" Hussein ?
If anyone can , let's "out" the Fascist bastard.
dw
Eris
wrote:
Kinda like the Jews "hated" Germany in 1939. Amazing how the Hitler
Junge still exist to day.
Eat infected material and die godboy.
sophie
<ju...@ersatz.com> writes
>On Tue, 18 May 2004 00:23:32 -0700, ± <h0plib...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Don Wheeler wrote:
>>>
>>> ± wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used
>>> > for the production of biological weapons." - George W. Bush September
>>> > 12, 2002
>>> >
>>> > "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
>>> > materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve
>>> > agent." - George W. Bush January 28, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
>>> > Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
>>> > dictator tells us he does not have." - George Bush February 8, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
>>> > that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
>>> > lethal weapons ever devised." - George Bush March 18, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
>>> > Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
>>> > particularly... all this will be made clear in the course of the
>>> > operation, for whatever duration it takes." - Ari Fleisher March 21,
>>> > 2003
>>> >
>>> > "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and
>>> > Baghdad." - Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons
>>> > of mass destruction." - Jack Straw, April 2, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials,
>>> > a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass
>>> > destruction will be found." - Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003
>>> >
>>> > "Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I
>>> > suggest they wait a bit." - Tony Blair 28 April, 2003
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> > The Case for War:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm
>>> >
>>> > Remarks to the United Nations Security Council
>>> >
>>> > Secretary Colin L. Powell
>>> > New York City
>>> > February 5, 2003
>>> >
>>> > (...)
>>> > We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
>>> > destruction, is determined to make more. Given Saddam Hussein's history
>>> > of aggression, given what we know of his grandiose plans, given what we
>>> > know of his terrorist associations, and given his determination to exact
>>> > revenge on those who oppose him, should we take the risk that he will
>>> > not someday use these weapons at a time and a place and in a manner of
>>> > his choosing, at a time when the world is in a much weaker position to
>>> > respond?
>>> >
>>> > The United States will not and cannot run that risk for the American
>>> > people. Leaving Saddam Hussein in possession of weapons of mass
>>> > destruction for a few more months or years is not an option, not in a
>>> > post-September 11th world.
>>> >
>>> > My colleagues, over three months ago, this Council recognized that Iraq
>>> > continued to pose a threat to international peace and security, and that
>>> > Iraq had been and remained in material breach of its disarmament
>>> > obligations.
>>> >
>>> > Today, Iraq still poses a threat and Iraq still remains in material
>>> > breach. Indeed, by its failure to seize on its one last opportunity to
>>> > come clean and disarm, Iraq has put itself in deeper material breach and
>>> > closer to the day when it will face serious consequences for its
>>> > continue defiance of this Council.
>>> >
>>> > My colleagues, we have an obligation to our citizens. We have an
>>> > obligation to this body to see that our resolutions are complied with.
>>> > We wrote 1441 not in order to go to war. We wrote 1441 to try to
>>> > preserve the peace. We wrote 1441 to give Iraq one last chance.
>>> >
>>> > Iraq is not, so far, taking that one last chance.
>>> >
>>> > We must not shrink from whatever is ahead of us. We must not fail in our
>>> > duty and our responsibility to the citizens of the countries that are
>>> > represented by this body.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you, Mr. President.
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001931010_iraqdig17.html
>>> >
>>> > Monday, May 17, 2004
>>> >
>>> > Iraq Notebook
>>> > Powell says his assertions were wrong
>>> >
>>> > WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Colin Powell said yesterday that what he
>>> > had called "the most dramatic" element of his Feb. 5, 2003, speech to
>>> > the United Nations was "inaccurate and discredited."
>>> > The presentation, considered a key in convincing allies and the American
>>> > people that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass
>>> > destruction, claimed the existence of mobile biological-weapons
>>> > laboratories.
>>> >
>>> > "When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the
>>> > best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to
>>> > me," Powell said yesterday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
>>> >
>>> > "It turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some
>>> > cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am disappointed, and I
>>> > regret it," he said.
>>> >
>>> > A CIA spokesman declined comment.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > http://www.geocities.com/snuhsite
>>> >
>>> > -------
>>> > / \
>>> > / \ /-----\
>>> > | (@) | | SnuH |
>>> > | (O) | \_ ___/
>>> > | / | ||
>>> > | \ /_ / //
>>> > \ \____/ / /
>>> > \ /
>>> > \_____,
>>>
>>> the fact that either we as a nation are populated
>>> mainly by
>>> gullible simple idiots, or have politicians lying to
>>> us who's opinion of us is so low that they don't
>>> even feel
>>> the need to bother to expend the energy to try to
>>> lie properly.
>>> My fear is that both cases apply.....
>>> don wheeler
>>
>>A recent poll of Americans said over half still believe the war in Iraq
>>was over 9/11.
>
>
>The war in Iraq is part of the war on terrorism.
>Anti-American muslims are all suspects in the war on terrorism.
>
troll.
--
sophie
mhm34x20
EvilBill
<bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
> "EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:<c8gdc1$8pu$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis Bill Cleere
>> <bcl...@philipkdick.com> wrote:
>>> "EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
>>> in message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
>>>> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> EvilBill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
>>>>>> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolling?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not, but as soon as a thread gets crossposted to the Flonk you
>>>> just *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a
>>>> smoking crater. <g>
>>>
>>> Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
>>>
>>
>> Oook!
>> Was there an alien invasion?
>
> Nah... A few tough kids just kicked their asses
> the old-fashioned way.
>
So Meow has fallen?
Scary. Is Fluffy still the ruler of all Usenet? <g>
--
--
±
>
> Stalking me again (in article <40ADBA2D...@hotmail.com>),
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B1?= <h0plib...@hotmail.com> lurched towards the keyboard
> and quickly scribbled:
> >Green Dappled Monotremata wrote:
> >>
> >> Stalking me again (in article <2h1k6tF...@uni-berlin.de>), "Bill Cleere"
> >> <bcl...@philipkdick.com> lurched towards the keyboard and quickly scribbled:
> >> >
> >> >"EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> >> >message news:c8fvkb$tik$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > EvilBill wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis ą
> >> >> >> <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> TAKE OUT THE FLONK AND ALT.FLAME!! NOW!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Trolling?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not, but as soon as a thread gets crossposted to the Flonk you just
> >> >> *know* all the other NGs it's posted to will be reduced to a smoking
> >> >> crater. <g>
> >> >
> >> >Times have changed. The Flonk is now the smoking crater.
> >>
> >> I like it here.
> >
> >How long have you been subbed to AGD?
>
> and if a crater is all there is...
Do you have any Toyota to discuss, net abuser?
>
> --
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> | THOU SHALT NOT POST AT ALL |
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> (I don't know I cannot tell) \_/______________________________/
> My mind has gone all numb
> In this apathetic hell mhm 35x7 smeeter #40 btwh 4.0 gms 006
>
> Ah aaaaHHHH ahh. Duh, duh duh, duh duh-duh duh. Meow. Meow! Meow! Meow!
--
http://www.geocities.com/snuhsite
From: Frere Jean Bleu <FrJ...@ifrance.com>
Message-ID: <r1kfa0dao0k2lrm2u...@4ax.com>
I've done some research on this Dean Humphries character.
Apparently he was on a Simpsons newsgroup, started using the term
"SNUH" (Springfieldians for Nonviolence, Understanding, and Helping)
repeated until everyone got sick of the joke. Then started using the
term "penis" plus some killer .sig blocks. He went off the rails from
there.
Bill Cleere
news:40AEFE45...@hotmail.com...
Get off his case, net abuser. He was posting from alt.games.diablo.
Bill Cleere
"I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of
wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendahl)
h0plib...@hotmail.com
Bill Cleere
news:40afef...@danger.diabolik...
> Stalking me again (in article
A thousand pardons. Please, continue the discussion of Toyotas.
Or should that be Toyotae?
-- Bill Cleere
EvilBill
<g...@danger.diabolik> wrote:
> Stalking me again (in article <40AEFE45...@hotmail.com>),
Something not mentioned in the Flonk, I guess.
03:15:38 GMT
> "03:15:38 GMT" <as...@mail.gr> wrote in message
> news:2h3of6F...@uni-berlin.de...
> > "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
> >
> > > You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
> >
> > I'm doing it yet again right now.
>
> IKY's don't count.
For some reason retards have a tough time correctly identifying
IKYABWAIs. Maybe it's because they're retarded.
--
Ari <fun...@all.at>
subRoutine@W2mm
> "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
>
> > "03:15:38 GMT" <as...@mail.gr> wrote in message
> > news:2h3of6F...@uni-berlin.de...
> > > "subRoutine@W2mm" <s00...@W2mm.ca> did this:
> > >
> > > > You spend a lot of time responding to retards, Ari.
> > >
> > > I'm doing it yet again right now.
> >
> > IKY's don't count.
>
> For some reason retards have a tough time correctly identifying
> IKYABWAIs.
You're having a tough time aren't you, IKY-retard?
>Maybe it's because they're retarded.
I agree, you're a retarded IKY-retard.
tcells
"Green Dappled Monotremata" <g...@danger.diabolik> wrote in message
news:40afef...@danger.diabolik...
> Stalking me again (in article <40AEFE45...@hotmail.com>),
>
aka "rice burner". Weenie unpatriotic liberals drive them.
Bill Cleere
"Green Dappled Monotremata" <g...@danger.diabolik> wrote in message news:40b1d5...@danger.diabolik...
> Stalking me again (in article <2hadctF...@uni-berlin.de>), "Bill Cleere"
Only if they forget to drink their cranberry juice. When that
happens, it's Katy Bar the Door!
-- Bill Cleere
Doktor Pete
>Stalking me again (in article <2hdb31F...@uni-berlin.de>), "tcells"
><tce...@yahoo.com> lurched towards the keyboard and quickly scribbled:
>What's a "weenie unpatriotic liberal"?
It's a super-effective form of troll. They don't even have to post, and yet
people still respond to them.
*waves to tcells*
--
"I would insult your intelligence, but what would be the point?" -
Doklands | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/doklands/
dave hillstrom
> Stalking me again (in article
> <c8thbo$320$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>), Doktor Pete
> <troja...@hipcrime.net.UCELESS> lurched towards the keyboard and
> Right. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
>
>>*waves to tcells*
>
> *waves at tcells*
<farts>
--
Dave Hillstrom mhm15x4 meow
"Quotes can't be forced. They just come to you, like diarrhea."
-Dave Hillstrom
±
I can read minds - he was not.
> Bill Cleere
>
> "I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of
> wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendahl)
±
>
> Stalking me again (in article
Does this mean no virtual chocolates for me?
±
>
> Stalking me again (in article <40AEFE45...@hotmail.com>),
The English translation is *service plan*.
±
>
> Stalking me again (in article <c8phgs$e5c$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>),
> "EvilBill" <dev...@SPAM-ME-NOT-o-JERK-weset.freeserve.co.uk> lurched towards
How did it end up there?
Thomas Hill
<g...@danger.diabolik> wrote in Message id: <40b362...@danger.diabolik>:
>Stalking me again (in article <40B31898...@hotmail.com>),
>What is the US equivalent?
Man who use right hand to wipe bum.
--
"I'm not a good flamer, I'm a great flamer. The best thing EVER. Better
than jesus handing you cinnamon toast, a million dollars, and a papal
indulgence."
The value of the US dollar hits an all time low in
<MPG.1acec09b4...@news.alt.net>