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HVAC
Jun 14, 2013, 7:28:23 AM6/14/13
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The late Carl Sagan got lots of praise for his brilliance in explaining
science to the masses, especially on his PBS TV series Cosmos back in
the 1980s. But he also got teased unmercifully for the super-geeky way
he said �billions� � and given the subject matter, he said it a lot. The
universe is billions of years old, and billions of light-years across,
and contains a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred
billion stars�and Sagan got his teeth into every �billion� he could find.
Which is why he would be at something of a loss talking about a new
report in The Astrophysical Journal describing the least massive galaxy
every found. Known as Segue 2, it contains just 1,000 or so stars, and
while this puny object, like most galaxies, is somewhat bulked up with
invisible dark matter, that only adds another 100,000 stars� worth.
There�s not a billion to be found, unless you start weighing the stars
and dark matter in pounds. �Finding a galaxy as tiny as Segue 2,� says
co-author James Bullock, of the University of California, Irvine, �is
like discovering an elephant smaller than a mouse.�
But it�s also very different. A mouse-sized elephant is the last thing
you�d ever go looking for; a galaxy this tiny, by contrast, is something
astronomers have long sought. The reason: it�s firmly established by now
that most of the mass in the universe comes in the form of dark matter,
not stars. The leading candidate for what makes up the dark matter is
some sort of still-undiscovered subatomic particle. And computer models
suggest that while these particles should coalesce into gigantic blobs
or haloes that surround normal galaxies, they should also form into
thousands of much smaller clumps, buzzing around galactic fringes.
Those smaller clumps would have their own tiny retinue of stars as well
� and in 2006, astronomers finally found an example. Called Segue 1 (it
was discovered by the Sloan Extension for Galactic Understanding and
Exploration, or SEGUE, an offshoot of the Sloan Digital Sky Survey) it
had a mere 300 or so stars, but its dark matter component was equivalent
to about 600,000 stars � small, but not as small as what astronomers
were hoping to find.
Then, in 2009, the SEGUE survey snagged a true pipsqueak: Segue 2 has
three times the star count as its brother, but only one-sixth the dark
matter � right in the ballpark of what theory says should be there.
�It�s quite encouraging,� says Kirby.
Maybe, but it�s reasonable to wonder why you�d give a tiny thing like
this a grandiose name such as �galaxy.� Why not just call it a star
cluster? The answer, says lead author Evan Kirby, also at Irvine: a
galaxy is defined as a system of stars that can enrich its own chemical
composition. What that means is that the earliest stars were made almost
entirely of hydrogen and helium. Those atoms were forged into heavier
elements in the stars� cores, and eventually blown out into space at
high velocity in supernova explosions. The heavier elements, known as
�metals,� then became incorporated into the next generation of stars (in
astronomy jargon, iron and aluminum are metals, but so are oxygen and
carbon).
In a star cluster like the Pleiades, there isn�t enough gravity to keep
those metals from flying away; in a galaxy, there is � and that gravity
can come from either stars or dark matter, doesn�t matter which. Kirby
and his team used the powerful Keck II telescope, in Hawaii, to measure
the metal content of the stars in Segue 2, and found that they vary a
lot. That�s evidence that some stars are younger, some older, and that
the metals have stayed put. Puny or not, Segue 2 is a galaxy. It�s also
likely not to be the only one of its kind. �We think there are lots
more,� says Kirby.
Unfortunately, those junior members of the galactic corps might not be
easy to find. Spotting very dim collections of stars on the fringe of
the Milky Way isn�t incredibly hard, but probing their light for
evidence of metal composition, and measuring their orbital speeds as an
indirect method of weighing their dark matter, is. The Keck II armed
with an instrument called the DEIMOS spectrograph � among the world�s
most powerful systems for doing this kind of work � can just manage it.
At this point, says Bullock, there�s no set of instruments, either in
existence or on the drawing board, that could do a lot better. �Right
now,� he says, �we�re thinking of what it would take.� Once the
astronomers come up with something though, they�re betting that the
little galaxies will be out there waiting.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Hägar
Jun 14, 2013, 8:43:16 AM6/14/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpeuf3$ruk$1...@dont-email.me...
The late Carl Sagan got lots of praise for his brilliance in explaining
science to the masses, especially on his PBS TV series Cosmos back in
the 1980s. But he also got teased unmercifully for the super-geeky way
universe is billions of years old, and billions of light-years across,
and contains a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred
billion stars…and Sagan got his teeth into every “billion” he could find.
and contains a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred
Which is why he would be at something of a loss talking about a new
report in The Astrophysical Journal describing the least massive galaxy
every found. Known as Segue 2, it contains just 1,000 or so stars, and
while this puny object, like most galaxies, is somewhat bulked up with
There’s not a billion to be found, unless you start weighing the stars
and dark matter in pounds. “Finding a galaxy as tiny as Segue 2,” says
co-author James Bullock, of the University of California, Irvine, “is
like discovering an elephant smaller than a mouse.”
But it’s also very different. A mouse-sized elephant is the last thing
you’d ever go looking for; a galaxy this tiny, by contrast, is something
astronomers have long sought. The reason: it’s firmly established by now
that most of the mass in the universe comes in the form of dark matter,
not stars. The leading candidate for what makes up the dark matter is
some sort of still-undiscovered subatomic particle. And computer models
suggest that while these particles should coalesce into gigantic blobs
or haloes that surround normal galaxies, they should also form into
thousands of much smaller clumps, buzzing around galactic fringes.
Those smaller clumps would have their own tiny retinue of stars as well
— and in 2006, astronomers finally found an example. Called Segue 1 (it
not stars. The leading candidate for what makes up the dark matter is
some sort of still-undiscovered subatomic particle. And computer models
suggest that while these particles should coalesce into gigantic blobs
or haloes that surround normal galaxies, they should also form into
thousands of much smaller clumps, buzzing around galactic fringes.
Those smaller clumps would have their own tiny retinue of stars as well
was discovered by the Sloan Extension for Galactic Understanding and
Exploration, or SEGUE, an offshoot of the Sloan Digital Sky Survey) it
had a mere 300 or so stars, but its dark matter component was equivalent
to about 600,000 stars — small, but not as small as what astronomers
Exploration, or SEGUE, an offshoot of the Sloan Digital Sky Survey) it
had a mere 300 or so stars, but its dark matter component was equivalent
were hoping to find.
Then, in 2009, the SEGUE survey snagged a true pipsqueak: Segue 2 has
three times the star count as its brother, but only one-sixth the dark
matter — right in the ballpark of what theory says should be there.
Then, in 2009, the SEGUE survey snagged a true pipsqueak: Segue 2 has
three times the star count as its brother, but only one-sixth the dark
“It’s quite encouraging,” says Kirby.
Maybe, but it’s reasonable to wonder why you’d give a tiny thing like
this a grandiose name such as “galaxy.” Why not just call it a star
cluster? The answer, says lead author Evan Kirby, also at Irvine: a
galaxy is defined as a system of stars that can enrich its own chemical
composition. What that means is that the earliest stars were made almost
entirely of hydrogen and helium. Those atoms were forged into heavier
elements in the stars’ cores, and eventually blown out into space at
galaxy is defined as a system of stars that can enrich its own chemical
composition. What that means is that the earliest stars were made almost
entirely of hydrogen and helium. Those atoms were forged into heavier
high velocity in supernova explosions. The heavier elements, known as
“metals,” then became incorporated into the next generation of stars (in
astronomy jargon, iron and aluminum are metals, but so are oxygen and
carbon).
In a star cluster like the Pleiades, there isn’t enough gravity to keep
carbon).
those metals from flying away; in a galaxy, there is — and that gravity
can come from either stars or dark matter, doesn’t matter which. Kirby
and his team used the powerful Keck II telescope, in Hawaii, to measure
the metal content of the stars in Segue 2, and found that they vary a
lot. That’s evidence that some stars are younger, some older, and that
the metal content of the stars in Segue 2, and found that they vary a
the metals have stayed put. Puny or not, Segue 2 is a galaxy. It’s also
likely not to be the only one of its kind. “We think there are lots
more,” says Kirby.
Unfortunately, those junior members of the galactic corps might not be
easy to find. Spotting very dim collections of stars on the fringe of
evidence of metal composition, and measuring their orbital speeds as an
indirect method of weighing their dark matter, is. The Keck II armed
with an instrument called the DEIMOS spectrograph — among the world’s
indirect method of weighing their dark matter, is. The Keck II armed
most powerful systems for doing this kind of work — can just manage it.
At this point, says Bullock, there’s no set of instruments, either in
existence or on the drawing board, that could do a lot better. “Right
now,” he says, “we’re thinking of what it would take.” Once the
astronomers come up with something though, they’re betting that the
little galaxies will be out there waiting.
*** It is common courtesy to post the name of the original author,
whenever you plagiarize an article, HardBlow ... following right in
the footsteps of the renowned "Goathumper" ... aka Copy 'n Past
Chuckweasel teh Boner. Or do you actually want us to believe
you have the mental wherewithal to come up with this all of your
lonesome ???
HVAC
Jun 14, 2013, 8:51:46 AM6/14/13
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On 6/14/2013 8:43 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
>
> *** It is common courtesy to post the name of the original author,
> whenever you plagiarize an article, HardBlow ... following right in
> the footsteps of the renowned "Goathumper" ... aka Copy 'n Past
> Chuckweasel teh Boner. Or do you actually want us to believe
> you have the mental wherewithal to come up with this all of your
> lonesome ???
Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
>
>
> *** It is common courtesy to post the name of the original author,
> whenever you plagiarize an article, HardBlow ... following right in
> the footsteps of the renowned "Goathumper" ... aka Copy 'n Past
> Chuckweasel teh Boner. Or do you actually want us to believe
> you have the mental wherewithal to come up with this all of your
> lonesome ???
that. Oh wait...
benj
Jun 14, 2013, 5:20:10 PM6/14/13
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On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:28:23 -0400, HVAC wrote:
> The late Carl Sagan got lots of praise for his brilliance in explaining
> science to the masses, especially on his PBS TV series Cosmos back in
> the 1980s. But he also got teased unmercifully for the super-geeky way
> he said “billions” — and given the subject matter, he said it a lot. The
> The late Carl Sagan got lots of praise for his brilliance in explaining
> science to the masses, especially on his PBS TV series Cosmos back in
> the 1980s. But he also got teased unmercifully for the super-geeky way
> universe is billions of years old, and billions of light-years across,
> and contains a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred
> billion stars…and Sagan got his teeth into every “billion” he could
> and contains a hundred billion galaxies, each containing a hundred
> find.
Carl Sagan was a paid political science bullshitter just as you are HVAC.
He was a propagandists who "they" put on TV to make sure speculation
never turned to "forbidden" areas just as you do Harlow. You are both
lying assholes. Well "was" in Sagan's case.
Hägar
Jun 14, 2013, 7:08:27 PM6/14/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpf3bd$lfk$2...@dont-email.me...
On 6/14/2013 8:43 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
>
> *** It is common courtesy to post the name of the original author,
> whenever you plagiarize an article, HardBlow ... following right in
> the footsteps of the renowned "Goathumper" ... aka Copy 'n Past
> Chuckweasel teh Boner. Or do you actually want us to believe
> you have the mental wherewithal to come up with this all of your
> lonesome ???
Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
that. Oh wait...
even come close to writing that ... what I'm saying is that you failed
to post the original authors name, which is a common courtesy,
but as a "wisely chosen" moderator, perhaps you harbor the illusion
that you are exempt from such mundane details as honesty and
integrity.
But on the other hand ... perhaps the Goth will believe you wrote it.
HVAC
Jun 15, 2013, 6:25:42 AM6/15/13
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On 6/14/2013 7:08 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
> that. Oh wait...
>
>
>
> ***Wrong again, HardBlow ... everyone knows you're too dumb to
> even come close to writing that ... what I'm saying is that you failed
> to post the original authors name, which is a common courtesy
Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
>
> Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
> that. Oh wait...
>
>
>
> ***Wrong again, HardBlow ... everyone knows you're too dumb to
> even come close to writing that ... what I'm saying is that you failed
> to post the original authors name, which is a common courtesy
Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
...And there's nothing you can do about it.
HVAC
Jun 15, 2013, 6:31:12 AM6/15/13
to
generation of young people to enter a science based career.
His book, 'The Dragons Of Eden, speculation on the evolution of human
intelligence' is a book that made people think logically.
Suggest you read it.
Hägar
Jun 15, 2013, 10:57:15 AM6/15/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kphf5e$vr0$4...@dont-email.me...
On 6/14/2013 7:08 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
> that. Oh wait...
>
>
>
> ***Wrong again, HardBlow ... everyone knows you're too dumb to
> even come close to writing that ... what I'm saying is that you failed
> to post the original authors name, which is a common courtesy
Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
...And there's nothing you can do about it.
insist that everyone follow "Netiquette" and if they don't, suspend
them, like yourself, for not heeding common courtesy ???
Ooops, I forgot, your Moderator powers are just as illusionary
as your delusions of grandeur, i.e. ex-CIA agent or what ever BS you
dredge up from the bottomless pit of your non-accomplishments.
PS: Charles the Boner also bragged about being a CIA operative ...
even has a CIA logo on his pathetic website. I bet you have one on
your jammies.
Hägar
Jun 15, 2013, 11:05:08 AM6/15/13
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"benj" wrote in message news:eOLut.23900$9b.2...@newsfe29.iad...
weeks old and copied and pasted (without permission or
acknowledgement) from someone else, but presented as an original
HardBlow brainfart. And this guy has the cajones to call Brad Goth
an idiot.
Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ??? well, Google
it and look up the name of the lead singer ... seems, according to your
illogic, he's an illegal as well, you putz.
benj
Jun 15, 2013, 11:36:12 AM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:31:12 -0400, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:28:23 -0400, HVAC wrote:
>>
>> Carl Sagan was a paid political science bullshitter just as you are
>> HVAC.
>> He was a propagandists who "they" put on TV to make sure speculation
>> never turned to "forbidden" areas just as you do Harlow. You are both
>> lying assholes. Well "was" in Sagan's case.
>
>
> Carl Sagan was a man ahead of his time. He inspired me and an entire
> generation of young people to enter a science based career.
Sure. He turned science into politics long before anyone started doing
> On 6/14/2013 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:28:23 -0400, HVAC wrote:
>>
>> Carl Sagan was a paid political science bullshitter just as you are
>> HVAC.
>> He was a propagandists who "they" put on TV to make sure speculation
>> never turned to "forbidden" areas just as you do Harlow. You are both
>> lying assholes. Well "was" in Sagan's case.
>
>
> Carl Sagan was a man ahead of his time. He inspired me and an entire
> generation of young people to enter a science based career.
that. And obviously inspired you to become a "strategic writer" doing
propaganda work for those in power. Glad he inspired you to enter a
"science based" career (That's like calling journalism a "science-based
career", isn't it.
> His book, 'The Dragons Of Eden, speculation on the evolution of human
> intelligence' is a book that made people think logically.
>
> Suggest you read it.
purpose to fool the public, no wonder he's your hero! Yeah I'll have to
read his bullshit if I ever need to take a break from wine, women and
song to waste some time.
benj
Jun 15, 2013, 11:38:17 AM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:25:42 -0400, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 7:08 PM, Hägar wrote:
>>
>> Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
>> that. Oh wait...
> On 6/14/2013 7:08 PM, Hägar wrote:
>>
>> Only a complete retard or trailer park terrorist would think I wrote
>> that. Oh wait...
> Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
> Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
In this country, that is wrong. Here you do ONLY what those in power
> Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
ALLOW you to do! Luckily, they like you so long as you properly serve
them.
> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
benj
Jun 15, 2013, 1:16:32 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:05:08 -0700, Hägar wrote:
> Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ??? well, Google it and
> look up the name of the lead singer ... seems, according to your
> illogic, he's an illegal as well, you putz.
Great research Hagar! Well get immigration service right on it!
> Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ??? well, Google it and
> look up the name of the lead singer ... seems, according to your
> illogic, he's an illegal as well, you putz.
Hägar
Jun 15, 2013, 9:20:03 PM6/15/13
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"benj" wrote in message news:MR%ut.22104$ny5....@newsfe24.iad...
Sagan lie about ??? Billions and BILLIONS ??? What about the old
TV Series NOVA, which was his brain child ??? you find that was lying
or offensive in any manner ??? The plaque on Voyager, which was his
idea and it was he who designed it ... that was a lie and a failure ???
Perhaps some of HardBlow's caustic bullshit is rubbing off on you, by
mere osmosis. He was born stupid ... you seemed like you had your
head screwed on straight ... don't disappoint us ...
When you are smart and you have a cause, people will ask you for
your opinion and publish it, in return for a fee, paid to your cause.
His was science ... so he may have "prostituted" himself in your
opinion, but so does every one who hosts any science show or
expresses any scientific opinion on the air. You see the successful
ones on all the science channels, Sagan, Kiku, Tyson, the list goes
on and on. The losers, such as HVAC, display their knowledge and
science skills on the USENET, via copy 'n paste subterfuges, where
other scientists like GuthBall, BeertBrain and AA marvel at his
convoluted commentary.
Perhaps you should rethink your position.
Hägar
Jun 15, 2013, 9:22:52 PM6/15/13
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"benj" wrote in message news:Qj1vt.30038$O61....@newsfe14.iad...
Do we all have to get HVAC's permission, or do we just have to kiss Obama's
ring ???
benj
Jun 15, 2013, 10:16:40 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:20:03 -0700, Hägar wrote:
> *** Benji, looks as if you have slipped a cog as well. If someone
speaks of things you have no knowledge of that means they are "insane"?
Well Welcome to USENET!
> What exactly did
> Sagan lie about ??? Billions and BILLIONS ???
Sagan was a political spokesman of all the "plausible" stories that
everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes. He lied about them
all and I say lied because a quick peek at his career shows he was aware
of MUCH more than he ever pretended to know. For example his "billions
and billions and yet promoted the idea that outside of humans well, maybe
there was an outside chance that just maybe there was a bacteria that
evolved somewhere among all those billions and billions of stars. Right.
Outside chance.
> What about the old TV
> Series NOVA, which was his brain child ??? you find that was lying or
> offensive in any manner ???
You bet Nova is disinformation and offensive to science. All they are is
a propaganda organ for establishment "pluasible" science stories which
they always present not as science but rather disingenuously as "facts"
when they are no such thing! Just listen to those NPR clowns on "climate
change" (formerly called "global warming" before it stopped) and you'll
see they are nothing but a huge propaganda machine no different from
Scientific American, Physics Today, Sam Wormley and all the rest who try
to use the public's repect for science to lie to them and fool them.
Shameful exhibition!
> The plaque on Voyager, which was his idea
> and it was he who designed it ... that was a lie and a failure ???
Who did he expect to read it? Maybe some developed bacteria amongst the
billions and billions of planets?
> Perhaps some of HardBlow's caustic bullshit is rubbing off on you, by
> mere osmosis. He was born stupid ... you seemed like you had your head
> screwed on straight ... don't disappoint us ...
All you need Hagar is some facts. You need to find out what is true and
what is bullshit. I'm sure I don't need to tell you if it's got politics
involved it's pretty certain it's bullshit.
> When you are smart and you have a cause, people will ask you for your
> opinion and publish it, in return for a fee, paid to your cause.
People DO pay me for my opinion. How about yours?
> His was
> science ... so he may have "prostituted" himself in your opinion, but so
> does every one who hosts any science show or expresses any scientific
> opinion on the air.
Prostituted means changed that which your science views as truth to some
political opinion convenient for those in power. In other words not paid
to tell what you know but rather paid to pretend you know what they tell
you to say Capish?
> You see the successful ones on all the science
> channels, Sagan, Kiku, Tyson, the list goes on and on.
So your idea is that Wormley's "minute physics" cartoons with all their
errors, bad science and breathless "coulds" and "mays" and "mights" is
real true science by "experts"? Expert actors...Nah not even that.
Pretend experts and second rate actors. At least Sagan was a first rate
actor!
> The losers, such
> as HVAC, display their knowledge and science skills on the USENET, via
> copy 'n paste subterfuges, where other scientists like GuthBall,
> BeertBrain and AA marvel at his convoluted commentary.
> Perhaps you should rethink your position.
Well, HVAC pretends to know science but I've never seen him demonstrate
ANY actual scientific knowledge. He comes off as some Antioch College
grad trying to dredge up enough of his old science classes to get by and
fool the gullible. On the other hand his writing skills are quite good
and his job here is obviously to disrupt all reasonable conversation and
debate, to change the subject as much as he can to steer discussions AWAY
from any "forbidden" topics or speculations on them. He typically uses
lewd and vulgar sexual comments to try to make the group as toxic as
possible to young people so that they don't hear of any "forbidden"
topics even existing let alone any information on them. If some one
suggests that a certain "forbidden topic" needs review he simply calls
them "insane" to ridicule them and hopefully discourage anyone else with
any information from joining the discussion. He lies about everyone and
everything and when caught in his own lies just laughs it off. My guess
he's got a government USENET terminal and about 17 "personalities" where
he does the same job in many groups.
In short, Hagar, HVAC like Carl Sagan are PROS. They know exactly what
they are doing and they are VERY good at it. And that thing is pulling
the wool over the eyes of gullible naive dumbed-down Sheeple.
You are a pretty smart guy Hagar. You should be smart enough to figure
out you've been played for a sucker all these years! The information is
NOT secret. HVAC will squeal like a stuck pig if you bring up any proof
and he will deny it like his life depends on it, but you you can easily
prove to yourself it's just a game he's playing. Why would you give any
credibility to some anonymous internet left wing voice anyway? Why would
you believe ANYONE here (including me)? Are you STOOOPID? That's like
believing the major media actually report factual news. It's not their
job.
WAKE THE HELL UP, HAGAR!
> *** Benji, looks as if you have slipped a cog as well. If someone
speaks of things you have no knowledge of that means they are "insane"?
Well Welcome to USENET!
> What exactly did
> Sagan lie about ??? Billions and BILLIONS ???
everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes. He lied about them
all and I say lied because a quick peek at his career shows he was aware
of MUCH more than he ever pretended to know. For example his "billions
and billions and yet promoted the idea that outside of humans well, maybe
there was an outside chance that just maybe there was a bacteria that
evolved somewhere among all those billions and billions of stars. Right.
Outside chance.
> What about the old TV
> Series NOVA, which was his brain child ??? you find that was lying or
> offensive in any manner ???
a propaganda organ for establishment "pluasible" science stories which
they always present not as science but rather disingenuously as "facts"
when they are no such thing! Just listen to those NPR clowns on "climate
change" (formerly called "global warming" before it stopped) and you'll
see they are nothing but a huge propaganda machine no different from
Scientific American, Physics Today, Sam Wormley and all the rest who try
to use the public's repect for science to lie to them and fool them.
Shameful exhibition!
> The plaque on Voyager, which was his idea
> and it was he who designed it ... that was a lie and a failure ???
billions and billions of planets?
> Perhaps some of HardBlow's caustic bullshit is rubbing off on you, by
> mere osmosis. He was born stupid ... you seemed like you had your head
> screwed on straight ... don't disappoint us ...
what is bullshit. I'm sure I don't need to tell you if it's got politics
involved it's pretty certain it's bullshit.
> When you are smart and you have a cause, people will ask you for your
> opinion and publish it, in return for a fee, paid to your cause.
> His was
> science ... so he may have "prostituted" himself in your opinion, but so
> does every one who hosts any science show or expresses any scientific
> opinion on the air.
political opinion convenient for those in power. In other words not paid
to tell what you know but rather paid to pretend you know what they tell
you to say Capish?
> You see the successful ones on all the science
> channels, Sagan, Kiku, Tyson, the list goes on and on.
errors, bad science and breathless "coulds" and "mays" and "mights" is
real true science by "experts"? Expert actors...Nah not even that.
Pretend experts and second rate actors. At least Sagan was a first rate
actor!
> The losers, such
> as HVAC, display their knowledge and science skills on the USENET, via
> copy 'n paste subterfuges, where other scientists like GuthBall,
> BeertBrain and AA marvel at his convoluted commentary.
> Perhaps you should rethink your position.
ANY actual scientific knowledge. He comes off as some Antioch College
grad trying to dredge up enough of his old science classes to get by and
fool the gullible. On the other hand his writing skills are quite good
and his job here is obviously to disrupt all reasonable conversation and
debate, to change the subject as much as he can to steer discussions AWAY
from any "forbidden" topics or speculations on them. He typically uses
lewd and vulgar sexual comments to try to make the group as toxic as
possible to young people so that they don't hear of any "forbidden"
topics even existing let alone any information on them. If some one
suggests that a certain "forbidden topic" needs review he simply calls
them "insane" to ridicule them and hopefully discourage anyone else with
any information from joining the discussion. He lies about everyone and
everything and when caught in his own lies just laughs it off. My guess
he's got a government USENET terminal and about 17 "personalities" where
he does the same job in many groups.
In short, Hagar, HVAC like Carl Sagan are PROS. They know exactly what
they are doing and they are VERY good at it. And that thing is pulling
the wool over the eyes of gullible naive dumbed-down Sheeple.
You are a pretty smart guy Hagar. You should be smart enough to figure
out you've been played for a sucker all these years! The information is
NOT secret. HVAC will squeal like a stuck pig if you bring up any proof
and he will deny it like his life depends on it, but you you can easily
prove to yourself it's just a game he's playing. Why would you give any
credibility to some anonymous internet left wing voice anyway? Why would
you believe ANYONE here (including me)? Are you STOOOPID? That's like
believing the major media actually report factual news. It's not their
job.
WAKE THE HELL UP, HAGAR!
Wally W.
Jun 15, 2013, 10:40:52 PM6/15/13
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:16:40 GMT, benj wrote:
>"climate change" (formerly called "global warming" before it stopped)
LOL.
>"climate change" (formerly called "global warming" before it stopped)
Hägar
Jun 16, 2013, 11:33:55 AM6/16/13
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"Wally W." wrote in message
news:s59qr8pptsi90bd3u...@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:16:40 GMT, benj wrote:
>"climate change" (formerly called "global warming" before it stopped)
LOL.
and
early 80s it was "Global Cooling" complete with scare tactics of the coming
ice age, which than morphed into Global Warming. But when the much
bally-hooed "hockey-stick" failed to materialize, it was quietly changed to
"Climate Change", at the behest of the enviro-whackos. When that didn't
arouse global support for their get-rich-quick carbon tax schemes, the
moniker
was changed to "Climate Disruption", except the "climate" has held pretty
steady for the past ten years. But most telling, whichever name is used,
the
fear-mongers remain the same, the forever wrong and lying IPCC, Al "my
loins are aching" Gore and a host of Liberal nut jobs.
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 12:29:23 PM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 10:57 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
> Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
>
> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
>
>
> *** I'm surprised, oh great HardBlow ... as a moderator, you couldn't
> insist that everyone follow "Netiquette" and if they don't, suspend
> them, like yourself, for not heeding common courtesy ???
Courtesy is a point of view and I moderate only in the broadest sense.
>
> Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
> Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
>
> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
>
>
> *** I'm surprised, oh great HardBlow ... as a moderator, you couldn't
> insist that everyone follow "Netiquette" and if they don't, suspend
> them, like yourself, for not heeding common courtesy ???
> PS: Charles the Boner also bragged about being a CIA operative ...
> even has a CIA logo on his pathetic website. I bet you have one on
> your jammies.
Matter of fact, I categorically deny it.
Happy now, bitch?
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 12:29:57 PM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 11:38 AM, benj wrote:
>
>> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
>
> True for Hagar, but not for everyone.
Hagem
>
>> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
>
> True for Hagar, but not for everyone.
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 3:32:53 PM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 10:16 PM, benj wrote:
>
> Sagan was a political spokesman of all the "plausible" stories that
> everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
> topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes.
BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>
> Sagan was a political spokesman of all the "plausible" stories that
> everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
> topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes.
Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
anything he said.
Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
BJ is pissed.
The end
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 3:40:39 PM6/16/13
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On 6/16/2013 11:33 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
>
> *** Don't know how that is funny in view of the fact that in the late
> 70s and
> early 80s it was "Global Cooling" complete with scare tactics of the coming
> ice age, which than morphed into Global Warming. But when the much
> bally-hooed "hockey-stick" failed to materialize, it was quietly changed to
> "Climate Change", at the behest of the enviro-whackos. When that didn't
> arouse global support for their get-rich-quick carbon tax schemes, the
> moniker
> was changed to "Climate Disruption", except the "climate" has held pretty
> steady for the past ten years. But most telling, whichever name is
> used, the
> fear-mongers remain the same, the forever wrong and lying IPCC, Al "my
> loins are aching" Gore and a host of Liberal nut jobs.
Oh look! Hagen and BJ are pals now. Since Hagem and Blast are already
>
>
> *** Don't know how that is funny in view of the fact that in the late
> 70s and
> early 80s it was "Global Cooling" complete with scare tactics of the coming
> ice age, which than morphed into Global Warming. But when the much
> bally-hooed "hockey-stick" failed to materialize, it was quietly changed to
> "Climate Change", at the behest of the enviro-whackos. When that didn't
> arouse global support for their get-rich-quick carbon tax schemes, the
> moniker
> was changed to "Climate Disruption", except the "climate" has held pretty
> steady for the past ten years. But most telling, whichever name is
> used, the
> fear-mongers remain the same, the forever wrong and lying IPCC, Al "my
> loins are aching" Gore and a host of Liberal nut jobs.
good buddies, I suggest you three get together for a little menage e
three. BJ can play the girl.
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 3:48:36 PM6/16/13
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On 6/16/2013 12:04 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> In numerous previous topics, Harlow systematically trashed Carl Sagan whenever others or myself agreed with anything published as accepted by Carl or his associates, so once again you get to deal with a bipolar FUD-master as well as a serial liar that makes Hagar seem like a nice guy.
Look! Now Hagem has made a friend of Brad Goth.
It's a regular fucking love-in here.
You must be so proud, Hagen.
>
> In numerous previous topics, Harlow systematically trashed Carl Sagan whenever others or myself agreed with anything published as accepted by Carl or his associates, so once again you get to deal with a bipolar FUD-master as well as a serial liar that makes Hagar seem like a nice guy.
Look! Now Hagem has made a friend of Brad Goth.
It's a regular fucking love-in here.
You must be so proud, Hagen.
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 3:49:59 PM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 11:05 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ??? well, Google
> it and look up the name of the lead singer ... seems, according to your
> illogic, he's an illegal as well, you putz.
Sorry. I don't listen to gay music.
>
> Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ??? well, Google
> it and look up the name of the lead singer ... seems, according to your
> illogic, he's an illegal as well, you putz.
benj
Jun 16, 2013, 6:23:58 PM6/16/13
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Still spamming the group with toxic sex innunendo (Italian suppository)
to keep youth away I see. I guess it's what they pay you to do.
benj
Jun 16, 2013, 6:39:27 PM6/16/13
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:32:53 -0400, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/15/2013 10:16 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>> Sagan was a political spokesman of all the "plausible" stories that
>> everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
>> topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes.
>
>
> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>
> Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
> anything he said.
> Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
> BJ is pissed.
>
> The end
Velikovsky = forbidden topic.
> On 6/15/2013 10:16 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>> Sagan was a political spokesman of all the "plausible" stories that
>> everyone is supposed to believe and "debunker" of all the "forbidden"
>> topics that everyone is supposed to assume are hoaxes.
>
>
> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>
> Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
> anything he said.
> Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
> BJ is pissed.
>
> The end
(Even though some of Velikovsky's speculations turned out correct)
(Should be obvious from the above disinformation blather)
Yeah, Harlow I'm "really" pissed! It's very interesting that nobody here
mentioned Velikovsky but you and now you pretend that everybody else has
been discussing it all along! Great Tradecraft Harlow!
Thanks for the laughs you feigele!
hanson
Jun 16, 2013, 7:45:03 PM6/16/13
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Harlow "HVAC" <harlowc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Hägar Hagen <hs...@yahoo.com>wrote:
Harlow, would you have listened if Hagen would have
called you "futz" instead of "putz"?. A "futz" is sort of a
"böse möse", of the kind you refer to in your line below:
>
Hägar Hagen <hs...@yahoo.com>wrote:
Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ???
Well, Google it and look up the name of the lead singer ...
seems, according to your illogic, he's an illegal as well,
you putz.
>
you putz.
>
Harlow wrote:
Sorry. I don't listen to gay music.
>
hanson wrote:
Sorry. I don't listen to gay music.
>
Harlow, would you have listened if Hagen would have
called you "futz" instead of "putz"?. A "futz" is sort of a
"böse möse", of the kind you refer to in your line below:
Hägar
Jun 16, 2013, 8:26:45 PM6/16/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpkoro$j5o$2...@dont-email.me...
On 6/15/2013 10:57 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Well, if you don't like it you can write a letter.
> Meanwhile I will do whatever the fuck I want.
>
> ...And there's nothing you can do about it.
>
>
> *** I'm surprised, oh great HardBlow ... as a moderator, you couldn't
> insist that everyone follow "Netiquette" and if they don't, suspend
> them, like yourself, for not heeding common courtesy ???
Courtesy is a point of view and I moderate only in the broadest sense.
> PS: Charles the Boner also bragged about being a CIA operative ...
> even has a CIA logo on his pathetic website. I bet you have one on
> your jammies.
I never claimed to be a CIA or any other type of operative.
Matter of fact, I categorically deny it.
Happy now, bitch?
CIA connection in past braggadocio lip-flappings.
Even though, looking at the bunch of losers who are there now, you'd
fit right in, wouldn't you ... the clueless leading the dumb-asses ...
The Bitch.
HVAC
Jun 16, 2013, 8:38:23 PM6/16/13
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On 6/16/2013 6:39 PM, benj wrote:
>
>> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>>
>> Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
>> anything he said.
>> Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
>> BJ is pissed.
>>
>> The end
>
> Velikovsky = forbidden topic.
Velikovsky = Kook
>
>> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>>
>> Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
>> anything he said.
>> Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
>> BJ is pissed.
>>
>> The end
>
> Velikovsky = forbidden topic.
You = Kook
> (Even though some of Velikovsky's speculations turned out correct)
fucking idiot?
> (Should be obvious from the above disinformation blather)
>
> Yeah, Harlow I'm "really" pissed! It's very interesting that nobody here
> mentioned Velikovsky but you and now you pretend that everybody else has
> been discussing it all along! Great Tradecraft Harlow!
Hägar
Jun 16, 2013, 8:43:53 PM6/16/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpl42c$jnl$1...@dont-email.me...
just like all Liberals, when your ilk runs out of intelligent commentary,
it's back to trailer trash, threesomes and any other unsubstantiated
smears your pea brains can conjure up.
It wouldn't be so bad if there were even one iota of originality
involved, but that would require a modicum of brains, which you
are sorely lacking, since you pathetic fuck are now Copy 'n Pasting
GuthBall trash talk and the Goth adores you for plagiarizing his
drivel.
Some of us had, unlike you, a normal upbringing. We didn't have
to enlist into the Army to get away from home, an environment which
apparently still causes you to have flashbacks.
Hägar
Jun 16, 2013, 8:54:43 PM6/16/13
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"hanson" wrote in message news:kplid6$ug8$1...@dont-email.me...
Harlow "HVAC" <harlowc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Hägar Hagen <hs...@yahoo.com>wrote:
Say HardBlow, you remember the song "Mendocino" ???
Well, Google it and look up the name of the lead singer ...
seems, according to your illogic, he's an illegal as well,
you putz.
>
Harlow wrote:
Sorry. I don't listen to gay music.
>
hanson wrote:
Harlow, would you have listened if Hagen would have
called you "futz" instead of "putz"?. A "futz" is sort of a
"böse möse", of the kind you refer to in your line below:
is "Pig Latin", but he's the only pig I know who can't speak it.
But the sorry jerk do love his "Hit Gurl"[sic]
... it's more his speed, and does not involve intelligent
thought processes.
>
Harlow wrote:
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
benj
Jun 16, 2013, 10:51:17 PM6/16/13
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:38:23 -0400, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 6:39 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>>> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>> Velikovsky = forbidden topic.
> On 6/16/2013 6:39 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>>> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
Still pretending it wasn't YOU who brought up Velikovsky?
You are fooling nobody.
> Velikovsky = Kook
>
> You = Kook
>> (Even though some of Velikovsky's speculations turned out correct)
> You're kidding, right? Are you just coming out and declaring yourself a
> fucking idiot?
how to read or think for yourself.
>> (Should be obvious from the above disinformation blather)
>>
>> Yeah, Harlow I'm "really" pissed! It's very interesting that nobody
>> here mentioned Velikovsky but you and now you pretend that everybody
>> else has been discussing it all along! Great Tradecraft Harlow!
> You're mentally disturbed.
Hey, Hardblow where is your toxic, youth-repelling sig? Cat got your
tongue?
HVAC
Jun 17, 2013, 7:02:57 AM6/17/13
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On 6/16/2013 8:26 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> I never claimed to be a CIA or any other type of operative.
> Matter of fact, I categorically deny it.
>
> Happy now, bitch?
>
>
>
> *** Just checking, HardBlow ... not that I really care, but you implied
> CIA connection in past braggadocio lip-flappings.
No I didn't.
>
> I never claimed to be a CIA or any other type of operative.
> Matter of fact, I categorically deny it.
>
> Happy now, bitch?
>
>
>
> *** Just checking, HardBlow ... not that I really care, but you implied
> CIA connection in past braggadocio lip-flappings.
HVAC
Jun 17, 2013, 7:05:12 AM6/17/13
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On 6/16/2013 8:43 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> Some of us had, unlike you, a normal upbringing. We didn't have
> to enlist into the Army to get away from home, an environment which
> apparently still causes you to have flashbacks.
I enlisted in the Army because I was afraid the war would be over if I
>
> Some of us had, unlike you, a normal upbringing. We didn't have
> to enlist into the Army to get away from home, an environment which
> apparently still causes you to have flashbacks.
waited. It's that simple.
HVAC
Jun 17, 2013, 7:36:00 AM6/17/13
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On 6/16/2013 8:54 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> *** You inserted an Umlaut, which in HardBlow parlance
> is "Pig Latin", but he's the only pig I know who can't speak it.
> But the sorry jerk do love his "Hit Gurl"[sic]
Sorry that I have no clips of Hit Girl at the trailer park.
>
> *** You inserted an Umlaut, which in HardBlow parlance
> is "Pig Latin", but he's the only pig I know who can't speak it.
> But the sorry jerk do love his "Hit Gurl"[sic]
Perhaps she will in Kick Ass 2 this summer.
~~
"Maybe I'll jam my foot up your snatch" - Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KffX3GbR338
--
HVAC
Jun 17, 2013, 7:41:33 AM6/17/13
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On 6/17/2013 7:02 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
>> *** Just checking, HardBlow ... not that I really care, but you implied
>> CIA connection in past braggadocio lip-flappings.
>
>
> No I didn't.
Actually, YOU implied it. And I didn't even infer it.
>
>> *** Just checking, HardBlow ... not that I really care, but you implied
>> CIA connection in past braggadocio lip-flappings.
>
>
> No I didn't.
Hägar
Jun 17, 2013, 8:38:07 AM6/17/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpllgk$b7u$1...@dont-email.me...
On 6/16/2013 6:39 PM, benj wrote:
>
>> BJ says this because he is a Velikovskyian.
>>
>> Velikovsky was a total retard quack. Only an utter fool would believe
>> anything he said.
>> Sagan schooled him on hid kooky theories.
>> BJ is pissed.
>>
>> The end
>
> Velikovsky = forbidden topic.
Velikovsky = Kook
You = Kook
> (Even though some of Velikovsky's speculations turned out correct)
You're kidding, right? Are you just coming out and declaring yourself a
fucking idiot?
> (Should be obvious from the above disinformation blather)
>
> Yeah, Harlow I'm "really" pissed! It's very interesting that nobody here
> mentioned Velikovsky but you and now you pretend that everybody else has
> been discussing it all along! Great Tradecraft Harlow!
You're mentally disturbed.
on "Hit Girl" (click link below).
Now that's how New Humpshire hicks fill the mental wasteland within.
Hägar
Jun 17, 2013, 8:44:47 AM6/17/13
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"HVAC" wrote in message news:kpms1l$isa$1...@dont-email.me...
On 6/16/2013 8:54 PM, Hägar wrote:
>
> *** You inserted an Umlaut, which in HardBlow parlance
> is "Pig Latin", but he's the only pig I know who can't speak it.
> But the sorry jerk do love his "Hit Gurl"[sic]
Sorry that I have no clips of Hit Girl at the trailer park.
Perhaps she will in Kick Ass 2 this summer.
Hollywood will be there to feed your craving for the
realm of unfulfilled fantasies ...
HVAC
Jun 17, 2013, 9:10:57 AM6/17/13
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On 6/17/2013 8:38 AM, Hägar wrote:
>
> *** The real K00K is the one with his almost Kardashian fixation
All the Kardashian girls are manly looking and ugly.
>
> *** The real K00K is the one with his almost Kardashian fixation
But I guess they're a big hit in trailer parks, eh Hagen?
Father Haskell
Jun 18, 2013, 1:14:20 PM6/18/13
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On Jun 15, 10:16 pm, benj <b...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:20:03 -0700, Hägar wrote:
>
> > The plaque on Voyager, which was his idea
> > and it was he who designed it ... that was a lie and a failure ???
>
> Who did he expect to read it? Maybe some developed bacteria amongst the
> billions and billions of planets?
Someone finding the plaque a 1 in a thousand trillion long shot,
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:20:03 -0700, Hägar wrote:
>
> > The plaque on Voyager, which was his idea
> > and it was he who designed it ... that was a lie and a failure ???
>
> Who did he expect to read it? Maybe some developed bacteria amongst the
> billions and billions of planets?
admittedly. But why waste even that chance? Similar plaques
should be required in all spacecraft bound to leave Earth orbit.
Chuck Berry is too great not to share.
benj
Jun 18, 2013, 1:32:55 PM6/18/13
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HVAC
Jun 18, 2013, 1:51:53 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 1:32 PM, benj wrote:
>
>>> Who did he expect to read it? Maybe some developed bacteria amongst
>>> the billions and billions of planets?
>>
>> Someone finding the plaque a 1 in a thousand trillion long shot,
>> admittedly. But why waste even that chance? Similar plaques should be
>> required in all spacecraft bound to leave Earth orbit.
>> Chuck Berry is too great not to share.
>
> :-)
>
Roll over, BJ... And tell Tchaikovsky the news.
>
>>> Who did he expect to read it? Maybe some developed bacteria amongst
>>> the billions and billions of planets?
>>
>> Someone finding the plaque a 1 in a thousand trillion long shot,
>> admittedly. But why waste even that chance? Similar plaques should be
>> required in all spacecraft bound to leave Earth orbit.
>> Chuck Berry is too great not to share.
>
> :-)
>
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