JACK SHULMAN EXPOSES TOP SECRET ET ORGANIZATION!
ufot...@ix.netcom.com
Jack Shulman Exposes
Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
Military Organization
Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
12-20-97
In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On the Radio program,
Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
policy.
Jeff broke into his regular program at 9:06 pm Pacific to get the story
from Shulman, who is deeply involved with what is, so far, perhaps the
biggest UFO/ET story since the landmark Roswell event(s) 50 years ago. (see
"Jack Shulman And ACC Make It To CNN" and other ACC stories).
On the show, Shulman related an amazing string of events which culminated
when he and other ACC personnel, along with Investigator/Journalist Bob
Wolf, had what amounted to a confrontation with Air Force personnel at the
Pentagon. During the course of what was described as a rather heated
encounter, Air Force personnel are said to have disclosed accidentally, or
otherwise, the existence of this invisible military organization within the
Department of Defense THAT NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
Shulman said it is called the Extraterrestrial Space Command Directorate,
or simply "E2SCD." As stated, this military group, branch, or operational
unit, officially DOES NOT EXIST in any readily locatable government or
military archive or database. Jack stated the unit is probably referred to
simply as "E2" by those in it or those who have a need to know of its
existence.
Further, Jack explained to Jeff how when he and his associates were first
going through the now famous 'laboratory notebook', which apparently
reveals the true origin of the transistor (recovered ET technology), they
observed several "E2" notations in the text. Not having any idea what "E2"
stood for at the time, Jack and his team of scientists assumed "E2" to be
some type of engineering symbol or code. Today's revelation may have solved
that mystery and could confirm the existence of this ultra secret elite
military UFO organization far at least as long as 50 years ago.
Shulman said a thorough search of the Library of Congress and all
immediately available government data bases revealed NO DATA on the
"Extraterrestrial Electronics Space Directorate", or "E2SCD."
In a related issue, Shulman said it now appears the orginal top secret fax
that American Computer myteriously received several months ago is now
believed by Jack Shulman, at least, to have originated from a satellite
which may well belong to, and be operated by, the secret E2 organization.
The discovery of such an ultra secret organization lends credence to many
years of suspicion and assertions by a number of researchers such as
Stanton Friedman that an organization of scientists and key players
commonly called "MJ-12" exists, and that it directs the military's deep
cover, ultra secret ET program.
This story is just beginning. Updates as available.
Rhd. Lou Minatti
ufot...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Jack Shulman Exposes
> Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
> Military Organization
> Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
> 12-20-97
>
>
> In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
> Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On the Radio program,
> Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
> ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
> organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
> policy.
A superb marketing campaign! Shulman and his marketing team are
geniuses. Make up a story involving a popular superstition, post it on a
commercial web site, then sit back and watch the hit rate increase
dramatically as people visit the site and spread the story to
potentially millions worldwide.
It's a great way to get your company's name out to the public, and it
costs nothing! ACC should win an award.
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Peter Kazlouski
The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
provide much interesting reading.
And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic? They cant stop the progress.
Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
disinformation.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote:
>The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
>needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
>requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
>provide much interesting reading.
When you actually get something why don't you tell us about
it?
However, if it were truly a black project an FOIA request
would get nothing.
Just thought you'd like to know.
>
>And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
>SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic?
Yawn....
Oh good heavens, look how frantic we are.
>They cant stop the progress.
>Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
>disinformation.
The question really is, are you getting paid for your lies,
excuse me, LIES, distractions and disinformation?
>
>
Richard
>Shulman said it is called the Extraterrestrial Space Command Directorate,
>or simply "E2SCD." As stated, this military group, branch, or operational
>unit, officially DOES NOT EXIST in any readily locatable government or
>military archive or database. Jack stated the unit is probably referred to
>simply as "E2" by those in it or those who have a need to know of its
>existence.
He has stumbled onto something, but it has nothing to do with a secret
research group. This is just a dumb gimmick by this computer company. And
as far as Air Force folks mistakenly revealing something like this is just
nonsense
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
>ufot...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Jack Shulman Exposes
>> Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
>> Military Organization
>> Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
>> 12-20-97
>>
>>
>> In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
>> Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On the Radio program,
>> Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
>> ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
>> organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
>> policy.
><snip>
>
>A superb marketing campaign! Shulman and his marketing team are
>geniuses. Make up a story involving a popular superstition, post it on a
>commercial web site, then sit back and watch the hit rate increase
>dramatically as people visit the site and spread the story to
>potentially millions worldwide.
>
>It's a great way to get your company's name out to the public, and it
>costs nothing! ACC should win an award.
Yeah, but look at the *quality* of traffic it draws!
--
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dr. digger
"ufot...@ix.netcom.com" < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[passionately credulous stuff snipped]
Are you a Leet troll, or a genuine looney-toon?
Sympathetically, dr. digger
Mark Shippey
Peter Kazlouski (Pet...@erols.com) wrote:
: The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
: needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
: requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
: provide much interesting reading.
Heh. You think you are going to find out The Horrible Truth
of The Conspiracy with an official FOIA request? You think
the SpOOks and their Illuminati bosses would allow this?
Ho ho. NO way Jose'.
Verily I say unto you, The Horrible Truth shall remain
hidden. Seek and ye shall NOT find. Tough break.
: And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
: SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic?
Ho ho ho. More likely they are enjoying the fun watching
y'all chase your own tails.
: They cant stop the progress.
: Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
: disinformation.
Ho ho ho. Actually cost of living raises are about to kick in again.
Plus, from what I hear the year-end bonuses are BIG this year for
jobs well done. I hear through the grapevine that the Usenet Debunking
& Obfuscation SpOOks can expect Santa to be very very good to them
this year.
An Eager UFO Believer
"ufot...@ix.netcom.com" < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Jack Shulman Exposes
>Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
>Military Organization
>Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
>12-20-97
Say, I could sure use a new laptop and while I'm at it, why not update
the kids old 486 to a pentium for Christmas? Does anyone know of a
good place to buy computers?
-An Eager UFO Believer
Alfred Lehmberg
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...Are you microcephaloid, or did you swallow the top half of your face?
Incredulously yours, Lehm...@snowhill.com
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fundamentalist's stake.
ufot...@ix.netcom.com
Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote in article
<349BDEDC...@erols.com>...
> The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
> needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
> requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
> provide much interesting reading.
>
You are very correct. If my darn printer was working I would send off
several FOIA requests to the Air Force, Pentagon, etc. Someone needs to do
this.
> And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
> SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic? They cant stop the progress.
> Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
> disinformation.
>
You are VERY CORRECT! I have noticed that whenever the words "American
Computer Company" or "Transpacitor" are mentioned they go into attack mode.
They have been more and more active lately as well. It seems like they must
stay on the computer 24 hours a day just debunking... Not much of a life.
If I did not believe in UFOs/ETs I sure would not hang around the
newsgroups and debunk them. I would be either researching something I was
interested, outside, or gone to the mall.
>
>
Rainmaker
A UFO Believer
Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote:
>The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
>needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
>requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
>provide much interesting reading.
>And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
>SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic?
Yes, isn't it WONDERFUL? There are SQUIRMING BIG TIME!!!!!! Those
damn SPOOKS and NSA AGENTS are in BIG TROUBLE now because THE TRUTH OF
THE UFO IS LEAKING OUT!!!!!! Their VERY NERVOUS!!!!!! And VERY
FRANTIC!!!!!! THERE LIES ARE FINALLY EXPOSE!!!!!! HAHAHA -- We have
them right were we want them!!!!!!
-A UFO Believer
Tim Tulley
The problem of course being that when ACC says:" just kidding" the UFO
as religion crowd, like Sparkey (ufotruth) are gonna scream: "They got
to them to!" <sigh>
For fuleing this sort of mania, I for one am not going to buy any ACC
products. I'm not trying to start a boycott or anything like that,
just exersizing my own judgment.
It sort of reminds me of the great PJ O'Rourk line: "Giving money and
power to goverment, is like giving wiskey and car keys to teenage
boys."
Tim
-----------------------------------------------------
I used to be sane, then I got better.
Tim Tulley
Rochester, NY
Illuminiti Director of Opperations
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
On 20 Dec 1997 19:59:55 GMT, "ufot...@ix.netcom.com" <
ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote in article
><349BDEDC...@erols.com>...
[...]
>You are VERY CORRECT! I have noticed that whenever the words "American
>Computer Company" or "Transpacitor" are mentioned they go into attack mode.
>
>
>They have been more and more active lately as well. It seems like they must
>stay on the computer 24 hours a day just debunking... Not much of a life.
>If I did not believe in UFOs/ETs I sure would not hang around the
>newsgroups and debunk them. I would be either researching something I was
>interested, outside, or gone to the mall.
The questions The Followers refuse to address:
Who is "Bell North America"?
Why did "Jack Shulman"/"Wang"/"Anonmyous" attempt to shill as a
series of several disinterested people commenting on ACC, according
to evidence I found, and posted here a few days ago?
What is the litigation history (if any) of the principals of ACC
and AT&T/Bell Labs/Western Electric?
Why do The Followers steadfastly continue to ignore these
meaningful points?
the rainman
ufot...@ix.netcom.com < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article <01bcc676$88375720$2908b8cd@default>...
> Jack Shulman Exposes
> Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
> Military Organization
> Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
> 12-20-97
>
>
> In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the...
(massive amounts of snip)
this character was shilling the same shit story on the ultra right-wing
shortwave radio for a Year prior to this "announcement".
more bullshit, cleverly wrapped for consumption by cloistered
ufo/computer geeks who'll pay to have it unwrapped for them.
as someone once remarked: "There's a sucker born every minute".
jimmes
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:12:10 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz -- see sig
to reply) wrote:
[...]
> Why do The Followers steadfastly continue to ignore these
> meaningful points?
Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
R...@pantheon.global
Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote:
>The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
>needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
>requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
>provide much interesting reading.
>
>And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
>Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
>disinformation.
>
Don't be silly. This IS some of their LIES, distractions, and
disinformation.
Red
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Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
You tell me.
Lou Minatti
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:19:51 -0600, "Rhd. Lou Minatti"
> <slar...@ihatespam.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Jack Shulman Exposes
> >> Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
> >> Military Organization
> >> Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
> >> 12-20-97
> >>
> >>
> >> Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On the Radio program,
> >> Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
> >> ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
> >> organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
> >> policy.
> ><snip>
> >
> >A superb marketing campaign! Shulman and his marketing team are
> >geniuses. Make up a story involving a popular superstition, post it on a
> >commercial web site, then sit back and watch the hit rate increase
> >dramatically as people visit the site and spread the story to
> >potentially millions worldwide.
> >
> >It's a great way to get your company's name out to the public, and it
> >costs nothing! ACC should win an award.
>
Only one thing matters: "You got the dough?" UFO Konspiracy Kooks have
money, too. <g>
Peter Kazlouski
TOTALLY WRONG. ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
Shulman got interested when his offices were terrorist bombed and
several file servers destroyed. His investigations are punching
so many holes in the secrecy that it could all be over soon.
Further, he intends to have the transcapacitor developed and
licensed WITHOUT the high cost that kept transistors away from
most nonmilitary products until the patents expired.
Thats why you are totally wrong.
jimmes wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:48:53 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron
> Schwarz -- see sig
> to reply) wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:28:20 GMT, jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes)
> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:12:10 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron
> Schwarz -- see sig
> >>to reply) wrote:
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>> Why do The Followers steadfastly continue to ignore these
>
> >>> meaningful points?
> >>
> >>Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
> >
> >You tell me.
>
> Speculation:
>
> Lemme guess again, *some* are shills for ACC. ACC was founded
> in the '70s
> by Bell Labs, right? And Bell Labs allegedly received
> technology from DoD
> to mainstream into society, right? And Bell Labs is considered
> part of the
> "industrial complex", right? And *if* DoD wanted to introduce
> a radically
> new technology derived from extraterrestrial sources, it would
> hand it to
> the "industrial complex" (Bell Labs) to develop and distribute,
> but *first*
> it would have to squelch the notion that the new technology was
> derived from
> extraterrestrial technology -- and what better way to discredit
> this notion
> than cause a fracas on the web with one of Bell Labs' spin-off
> companies --
> ACC. The modus operandi is very similiar to the Courtney
> Brown/Ed
> Dames/Hale Bopp /Heaven's Gate crap -- which all transpired on
> the web and
> wasn't widely publicized *after* the Heaven's Gate deaths in
> order to sway
> public opinion against the validity of remote viewing and
> anyone who was
> pro-extraterrestrial. Classic CIA cointellpro job.
>
> If I'm right, act two of the ACC saga will follow shortly.
> Perhaps
> something akin to the Heaven's Gate cult suicides -- designed
> to discredit
> Roswell and any witness who knows DoD is holding
> extraterrestrial technology
> in the form of whole or partial flying saucers. The timing
> will probably
> coincide with the publishing of David Adair's (congressional
> extraterrestrial technology witness) book, _America's Fall From
> Space_.
>
> End speculation.
Peter Kazlouski
R...@Pantheon.global wrote:
> Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote:
> >The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND
> DIRECTORATE
> >needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
> >requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
> >provide much interesting reading.
> >
> >And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
> >SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic? They cant stop the
> progress.
> >Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions
> and
> >disinformation.
> >
>
> Don't be silly. This IS some of their LIES, distractions, and
> disinformation.
>
> Red
>
>
Now you're just being STUPID. Shulman is breaking through the
secrecy, and ANYTHING that happens as a result of Freedom of
Information requests on E2SCD will be interesting. If everything
comes back REFUSED, it will almost prove as much as if it
contained information.
If you in any way knew that it was going to be a devious
disinformation attempt, and didnt tell us, then SHAME ON YOU.
It would mean you were part of the CIA and NSA SPOOK campaign.
Otherwise, you dont know yet, so some FOI requests are well worth
the minimal effort required.
Peter Kazlouski
the rainman wrote:
> ufot...@ix.netcom.com < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> article <01bcc676$88375720$2908b8cd@default>...
>
> > Jack Shulman Exposes
> > Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
> > Military Organization
> > Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
> > 12-20-97
> >
> >
> > In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President
> of the...
>
> (massive amounts of snip)
>
> this character was shilling the same shit story on the ultra
> right-wing
> shortwave radio for a Year prior to this "announcement".
>
> more bullshit, cleverly wrapped for consumption by cloistered
> ufo/computer geeks who'll pay to have it unwrapped for them.
>
> as someone once remarked: "There's a sucker born every minute".
>
>
The above is TOTAL LIES. Therefore this "rainman" person is
assisting the CIA/NSA SPOOKS. He may or may not be getting paid
for it, but HE LIES LIKE A SPOOK (not just an ordinary skeptic).
Notice how FRANTIC the coverup/disinformation people are
becoming.
jimmes
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:03:19 GMT, jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:48:53 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz -- see sig
>to reply) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:28:20 GMT, jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:12:10 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz -- see sig
>>>to reply) wrote:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>> Why do The Followers steadfastly continue to ignore these
>>>> meaningful points?
>>>
>>>Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
>>
>>You tell me.
>
>Speculation:
>
>Lemme guess again, *some* are shills for ACC. ACC was founded in the '70s
>by Bell Labs, right? And Bell Labs allegedly received technology from DoD
Ahah!
Reading between the lines, that seems to be the message. Reading the
actual lines though, that doesn't seem to be the message. They seem
to be walking a narrow line between implying a connection with ATT,
and actually *claiming* one.
What's *my* take on this? Ockham seems appropriate. Seems to me the
most likely scenario is a guy or guys with one serious hardon for ATT.
Angry stockholder/ex-stockholder, ex-employee, ex-spouse of employee,
ex-litigant, the list is endless.
Remember "The President's Analyist"? Remember George Meteskey?
Sometimes it doesn't take flying saucers or government conspiracies to
explain behavior.
Now, the the question is, does the *likely* scenario fit the
situation? Certain facts suggest a strong likelihood. For instance,
"Jack Shulman", "Ed Wang", "Sherman Helmsley", and "Anonymous" all
*appear* to be distinct entities, pointing people to the ACC site,
telling what them thar ACC folx done dere discovered, shore look
innerstin good buddy.
HOWEVER... they ALL post from the SAME email address!!!
Now, I personally cannot help but express amusement when "Ed Wang"
talks about how he received email from "Jack Shulman". Hell, must be
the shortest list of Received: headers on earth!
>to mainstream into society, right? And Bell Labs is considered part of the
>"industrial complex", right? And *if* DoD wanted to introduce a radically
>new technology derived from extraterrestrial sources, it would hand it to
>the "industrial complex" (Bell Labs) to develop and distribute, but *first*
>it would have to squelch the notion that the new technology was derived from
>extraterrestrial technology -- and what better way to discredit this notion
>than cause a fracas on the web with one of Bell Labs' spin-off companies --
>ACC. The modus operandi is very similiar to the Courtney Brown/Ed
>Dames/Hale Bopp /Heaven's Gate crap -- which all transpired on the web and
>wasn't widely publicized *after* the Heaven's Gate deaths in order to sway
>public opinion against the validity of remote viewing and anyone who was
>pro-extraterrestrial. Classic CIA cointellpro job.
>
>If I'm right, act two of the ACC saga will follow shortly. Perhaps
>something akin to the Heaven's Gate cult suicides -- designed to discredit
>Roswell and any witness who knows DoD is holding extraterrestrial technology
>in the form of whole or partial flying saucers. The timing will probably
>coincide with the publishing of David Adair's (congressional
>extraterrestrial technology witness) book, _America's Fall From Space_.
>
>End speculation.
More likely they will continue pressing the legal envelope until they
finally succeed in getting squashed like a bug by ATT corporate
counsel.
jimmes
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:56:06 -0600, Lou Minatti <slar...@ihatespam.com>
wrote:
>Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:19:51 -0600, "Rhd. Lou Minatti"
>> <slar...@ihatespam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >ufot...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jack Shulman Exposes
>> >> Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
>> >> Military Organization
>> >> Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
>> >> 12-20-97
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
>> >> Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On the Radio program,
>> >> Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
>> >> ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
>> >> organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
>> >> policy.
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >A superb marketing campaign! Shulman and his marketing team are
>> >geniuses. Make up a story involving a popular superstition, post it on a
>> >commercial web site, then sit back and watch the hit rate increase
>> >dramatically as people visit the site and spread the story to
>> >potentially millions worldwide.
>> >
>> >It's a great way to get your company's name out to the public, and it
>> >costs nothing! ACC should win an award.
>>
>> Yeah, but look at the *quality* of traffic it draws!
>
>Only one thing matters: "You got the dough?" UFO Konspiracy Kooks have
>money, too. <g>
I suppose it would all depend on if the Konspiracy Kooks are being
manipulated by DoD/CIA. ACC *could* wind up being the BIG loser in the
game, too. If ACC wants some semblance of credibility, they'd better put up
or shut up soon -- as in start naming names ("the consultant"), and
providing documentation -- as in copies of the alleged notes on the
transcap or what ever the hell it's called. Schulman may be an unwitting
pawn in the game. Time will tell, but so far there's precious little
substantiation of the claims being made.
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
The "consultant" is Shulman/Wang/Helmsley/Anonymous. The beans were spilled
in http://www.skynet.co.uk/~miami/cgi-bin/bbs/messages/12.html, posting as
"Anonymous", but with the underlying address of ac...@ix.netcom.com used by
ALL the mocked-up personalities when gladhanding each other. The page, as
viewed, contains: "Posted by : Anonymous on July 18, 1997 at 01:48:36",
however, a quick view of the HTML reveals: "<b>Posted by : </b> <a
href="mailto:ac...@ix.netcom.com">Anonymous</a> on July 18, 1997 at
01:48:36:<br>"
The material on the page contains:
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"I am an ex employee of Bell Labs. I worked on a very secret project
called "Black Hole: Project Innovere" during the 60's. I am writing
you this letter so that someone will know what happened after I die.
I have terminal pancreatic cancer, resulting from having been poisoned
by exposure to toxic substances that were fed me when I tried to get
my employer to publicize the project, and seek Worldwide attention to
the existence of what was euphemistically called "the Object" in vault
2037... I will be long dead by the time this message gets out. Please
spread the word. My identity is inconsequential. What's important is:
WE ARE NOT ALONE."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a sham, kiddies.
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:36:46 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron Schwarz -- see sig
to reply) wrote:
[...]
>It's a sham, kiddies.
Yep, it certainly seems to be. Thanks, Ron. Oddly enough,
ACC seems to have a lot of computer power -- I wonder how many
posters in these groups (esp. ix.netcom.com) are in cahoots. I also wonder
why they clutter cyber space with their bullshit.
Well, I know one kiddie who WON'T be buying a computer from ACC anytime
soon! Time to put ACC to beddie-bye, yes?
Thanks again, Ron! And have a happy holiday.
jimmes
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:43:39 -0500, Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com>
wrote:
>TOTALLY WRONG. ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
BZZZZZZZZZT! Wrong. Talk to Linda Moulton Howe. You're full of it
Kazlouski!
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
>TOTALLY WRONG. ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
>Shulman got interested when his offices were terrorist bombed and
This is reading like a comic book, sheesh. How about subtantiating *any* of
this with something *other* than their own bullshit claims? Go get a copy of
the police crime report, and post a scan of it on a website.
>several file servers destroyed. His investigations are punching
>so many holes in the secrecy that it could all be over soon.
It'll all be over soon, yeah. Bullshit tends to run its course in a hurry.
>Further, he intends to have the transcapacitor developed and
>licensed WITHOUT the high cost that kept transistors away from
>most nonmilitary products until the patents expired.
Huh??? Where TF were you in the fifties and sixties, when transistors were
being used in *civilian* products?
>Thats why you are totally wrong.
That's why you are totally suckered.
jimmes
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:56:57 -0500, Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com>
wrote:
>the rainman wrote:
>
>> ufot...@ix.netcom.com < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>> article <01bcc676$88375720$2908b8cd@default>...
>>
>> > Jack Shulman Exposes
>> > Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
>> > Military Organization
>> > Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
>> > 12-20-97
>> >
>> >
>> > In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President
>> of the...
>>
>> (massive amounts of snip)
>>
>> this character was shilling the same shit story on the ultra
>> right-wing
>> shortwave radio for a Year prior to this "announcement".
>>
>> more bullshit, cleverly wrapped for consumption by cloistered
>> ufo/computer geeks who'll pay to have it unwrapped for them.
>>
>> as someone once remarked: "There's a sucker born every minute".
>>
>>
>
> The above is TOTAL LIES. Therefore this "rainman" person is
>assisting the CIA/NSA SPOOKS. He may or may not be getting paid
>for it, but HE LIES LIKE A SPOOK (not just an ordinary skeptic).
>
>Notice how FRANTIC the coverup/disinformation people are
>becoming.
Give it a rest, Kazlouski. The gig is up, and I predict when this ACC thing
is all over, you'll rollup like the good troll you are and disappear like
the others, until you're needed, like ole Josh Olaf, the BRH Troll, you guys
are all in cahoots, I reckon.
Thanks for the laughs, ACC troll.
Sheesh!
Mark Shippey
ufot...@ix.netcom.com (ufot...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
: Peter Kazlouski <Pet...@erols.com> wrote in article
: <349BDEDC...@erols.com>...
: > The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
: > needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
: > requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
: > provide much interesting reading.
: >
: You are very correct. If my darn printer was working I would send off
: several FOIA requests to the Air Force, Pentagon, etc. Someone needs to do
: this.
YOU SEE! Your printer is NOT WORKING! The Conspiracy must have
sent their Super Secret Printer Virus to your printer.... chalk
up another one for the Big C.
: > And have you noticed, that the skeptics (and/or CIA and NSA
: > SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic? They cant stop the progress.
: > Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
: > disinformation.
: >
: You are VERY CORRECT! I have noticed that whenever the words "American
: Computer Company" or "Transpacitor" are mentioned they go into attack mode.
:
YES! YES! The words "American Computer Company" are the code
words for Usenet Manchurian Candidates who are programmed to
post whenever these words are mentioned! They cannot stop themselves!
The Conspiracy has conditioned them to post and post and post
until their fingers are numb whenever these words appear. This
is obvious.
: They have been more and more active lately as well. It seems like they must
: stay on the computer 24 hours a day just debunking... Not much of a life.
: If I did not believe in UFOs/ETs I sure would not hang around the
: newsgroups and debunk them. I would be either researching something I was
: interested, outside, or gone to the mall.
Oh come on, give the SpOOks and Usenet Manchurian Candidates a break.
Everyone has to make a living. And the 24 hours thing.... man, this is
OVERTIME pay, time and 1/2. Heck, its Christmas and all the little
SpOOk kids need presents so the more hours the better. Give these folks
a break Scrooge.
jimmes
>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:18:01 GMT, jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>> If ACC wants some semblance of credibility, they'd better put up
>>or shut up soon -- as in start naming names ("the consultant"), and
>>providing documentation -- as in copies of the alleged notes on the
>>transcap or what ever the hell it's called. [...]
>
>The "consultant" is Shulman/Wang/Helmsley/Anonymous. The beans were spilled
>in http://www.skynet.co.uk/~miami/cgi-bin/bbs/messages/12.html, posting as
>"Anonymous", but with the underlying address of ac...@ix.netcom.com used by
>ALL the mocked-up personalities when gladhanding each other. [...]
Here's a partial transcript of Howe's AB interview from 9/7/97 wherein she
relates information given to her by Schulman. Its meaning reads quite
differently in light of the discovery that the "consultant" is Schulman
et al:
Howe:
"Mr. Schulman founded the company [ACC] in 1970 WITH [emphasis mine]
former Bell Labs executives. He, himself, has worked at Bell Labs and its
off-spring, ATT. The source of the information on the web page [ACC's]
is a research scientist and consulting engineer [the "consultant"] who
worked for Bell Labs for several years and now consults for the American
Computer Company and gives advice to the military as well, on communication
systems. "
In the interview, Howe goes on to relate that Shulman told her "the
consultant" felt obliged to come forward with this "information" in light of
Corso's (albeit widely unaccepted book) and his unsubstantiated claims
regarding Roswell and the extraterrestrial origin of the transistor.
And now we have the <ahem> transcap. When that is fully realized that's
bunk, along with it will go any notion of extraterrestrially gleaned
technology and of course, another stake in the heart of Roswell.
I'd say, what we have here is massive attempts to discredit Roswell, and
obfuscate or obliterate the idea that DoD is holding extraterrestrial
"artifacts", e.g. one saucer and a bunch of saucer parts.
What a circus.<rollseyes>
Mark Shippey
Peter Kazlouski (Pet...@erols.com) wrote:
(snip)
: The above is TOTAL LIES. Therefore this "rainman" person is
: assisting the CIA/NSA SPOOKS. He may or may not be getting paid
: for it, but HE LIES LIKE A SPOOK (not just an ordinary skeptic).
:
: Notice how FRANTIC the coverup/disinformation people are
: becoming.
FRANTIC? I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT FRANTIC.....
Here you are again yelling about CIA/NSA SPOOKS and about people
being FRANTIC and posting TOTAL LIES! I hate to be the one to
break the news to you.... but you are the one that sounds FRANTIC.
Stop yelling, calm down, relax... getting this frantic over your
belief system is not good for your blood pressure.
Rob Hafernik
> Yeah, but look at the *quality* of traffic it draws!
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? After all, just how much disposable income
does the average UFO nut have? A lot? A little? I don't have the
slightest idea.
Rob Hafernik
In article <34a29d51...@news.erols.com>, jimmes*@hotmail.com
(jimmes) wrote:
<snip>
> Well, I know one kiddie who WON'T be buying a computer from ACC anytime
> soon! Time to put ACC to beddie-bye, yes?
Yes. But it makes you wonder. Done with the proper tongue-in-cheek
style, these guys could have won over BOTH the Believer community (just
for noticing them) and the Skeptics (who tend to enjoy jokes and word-play
that relate to UFOs). They could easily have joked their way into some
really nice national PR. I can just imagine what their next trade-show
booth would have looked like. And how about the slogans they could use:
"Tomorrow's alien technology, Today" or "ACC: creators of the computers
preferred by humanoids all over the galaxy".
So why have they botched it like this? Is it possible that ACC is
actually just run by some whackos who actually BELIEVE this stuff?
By the way, has ANYONE here EVER bought ANY product from ACC? If so, how
was it?
Blue Resonant Human
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>Lemme guess again, *some* are shills for ACC.
The words "American Computer Company" are the code words for Usenet
Blue Resonant Human
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
The words "American Computer Company" are the code words for Usenet
Blue Resonant Human
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
The words "American Computer Company" are the code words for Usenet
Blue Resonant Human
"ufot...@ix.netcom.com" < ufot...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Jack Shulman Exposes
>Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
>Military Organization
>Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
>12-20-97
>In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
>Computer Company...
Blue Resonant Human
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>I'd say, what we have here is massive attempts to discredit Roswell, and
>obfuscate or obliterate the idea that DoD is holding extraterrestrial
>"artifacts", e.g. one saucer and a bunch of saucer parts.
>What a circus.<rollseyes>
I'd say why not try shaving with Occam's razor? What we have here is
a relatively successful scam which helps ACC make a great deal of
money from simpleminded saps such as "ufotruth" who insist upon
generating mountains of free advertising for them. Notice how things
have miraculously risen to a veritable crescendo right around the
height of gift-buying season? Coincidence?
No doubt some of the younger members of our Lodge, not yet having
acquired sufficient measures of compassion and humility, will laugh
their ASSES off when ACC finally pulls the rug out from under you
morons and The Horrible Truth of the Almighty Buck is exposed for all
to see.
You UFOlk never cease to amaze us. If anyone -- ANYone! -- tells you
precisely what you want to hear, you buy the whole idiotic thing, hook
line and sinker. It does not matter if they are pimps who prostitute
the alleged Roswell event (ex. Corso, ACC, etc.)for the sake of filthy
lucre, wayward shrinks who have trouble keeping their dick in their
pants (ex. Boylan) or military/intelligence ... uh ...
"whistleblowers" who're out to reveal Da Truth, while making
bushel-baskets of denaro on their absurd sci-fi books.
Indeed, what a circus! <rolls eyes>
-Brother Blue, B:.B:.
"All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong"
Frank Sinatra
kpri...@dfw.dfw.net (Mark Shippey) wrote:
> YES! YES! The words "American Computer Company" are the code
>words for Usenet Manchurian Candidates who are programmed to
>post whenever these words are mentioned!
Look, Shippey, I'm about sick and tired of all this crap! Why is it
that as soon as you people even MENTION the American Computer Com....
Reporting for duty, sir.
St. Francis
jimmes*@hotmail.com (OJO) wrote:
>Give it a rest, Kazlouski. The gig is up, and I predict when this ACC thing
>is all over, you'll rollup like the good troll you are and disappear like
>the others, until you're needed, like ole Josh Olaf, the BRH Troll, you guys
>are all in cahoots, I reckon.
It's all part of The Conspiracy, Francis. The only way you'll ever
make it out of all this is if you go public. But not here, not on
usenet! The Conspiracy monitors usenet!
You have been warned.
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:03:18 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (St. Francis)
wrote:
I'm peeing my pants right now!
You are a very silly mean man, D4, a very silly mean man, indeed!
Happy holidays, you big blue boob, and may the farce be with you!
Heh.......
jimmes
>jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>
>>Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
>
>The words "American Computer Company" are the code words for Usenet
>Manchurian Candidates who are programmed to post whenever these words
>are mentioned! They cannot stop themselves! The Conspiracy has
>conditioned them to post and post and post until their fingers are
>numb whenever these words appear. This is obvious.
Projecting again, hon?
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:25:11 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (Blue Resonant
Human) wrote:
>jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>
>>ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
>
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:24:40 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (Blue Resonant
Human) wrote:
>jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>
>>Lemme guess again, *some* are shills for ACC.
>
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:40:52 -0600, shok...@well.com (Rob Hafernik) wrote:
[...]
>So why have they botched it like this?
Because they aren't DoD and don't have the saucer parts in their possession?
> Is it possible that ACC is
>actually just run by some whackos who actually BELIEVE this stuff?
Thadda be a kick in the ole arse -- considering the whackos are former
government Consultants(tm), eh?
jimmes
On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:59:31 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (Blue Resonant
Human) wrote:
>jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>
>>I'd say, what we have here is massive attempts to discredit Roswell, and
>>obfuscate or obliterate the idea that DoD is holding extraterrestrial
>>"artifacts", e.g. one saucer and a bunch of saucer parts.
>
>>What a circus.<rollseyes>
>
>I'd say why not try shaving with Occam's razor? What we have here is
>a relatively successful scam which helps ACC make a great deal of
>money
Not from me. I'm SOOOOOO pissed, I REFUSE to buy my new lap top from ACC!
In fact, I'll recommend NO ONE ever buy a computer from ACC again! So much
for THEIR money making scam. BTW, would YOU buy a computer from them?
[...]
>No doubt some of the younger members of our Lodge, not yet having
>acquired sufficient measures of compassion and humility, will laugh
>their ASSES off when ACC finally pulls the rug out from under you
>morons and The Horrible Truth of the Almighty Buck is exposed for all
>to see.
You are a very mean man, Mr. D$. Oops, I meant D4.
>You UFOlk never cease to amaze us. If anyone -- ANYone! -- tells you
>precisely what you want to hear, you buy the whole idiotic thing, hook
>line and sinker.
Not me, bubbie. If that were the case, I'd believe you AND ACC, but I
don't.
> It does not matter if they are pimps who prostitute
>the alleged Roswell event (ex. Corso, ACC, etc.)for the sake of filthy
>lucre, wayward shrinks who have trouble keeping their dick in their
>pants (ex. Boylan) or military/intelligence ... uh ...
>"whistleblowers" who're out to reveal Da Truth, while making
>bushel-baskets of denaro on their absurd sci-fi books.
Again, you are a big meanie, and not in the least bit humble or charitable.
<gasp> And it's the season for goodness! Shame on you!
>Indeed, what a circus! <rolls eyes>
<Pat's you on your little pointed sputtering head and whispers the
words....there's no place like home, there's no place like home....then
hands you a vallium>
the rainman
Mark Shippey <kpri...@dfw.dfw.net> wrote in article <67jskq$38j$3...@news.dfw.net>...
Shhhh...don't supply information to him Mark.
I WANT Peter Kaz-loser-ski to HAVE a cerebral hemmorage within
his comfortable self-made world of paranormal paranoia. I'll bet he
even listens to the right wing terrorists on Domestic shortwave radio
too. (after relatively short periods of surveilance, it's quite easy to
spot these misfits you see..)
Rainman (O T O)
Lou Minatti
jimmes wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:03:18 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (St. Francis)
> wrote:
>
> >jimmes*@hotmail.com (OJO) wrote:
> >
> >>Give it a rest, Kazlouski. The gig is up, and I predict when this ACC thing
> >>is all over, you'll rollup like the good troll you are and disappear like
> >>the others, until you're needed, like ole Josh Olaf, the BRH Troll, you guys
> >>are all in cahoots, I reckon.
> >
> >It's all part of The Conspiracy, Francis. The only way you'll ever
> >make it out of all this is if you go public. But not here, not on
> >usenet! The Conspiracy monitors usenet!
> >
> >You have been warned.
>
> I'm peeing my pants right now!
>
> You are a very silly mean man, D4, a very silly mean man, indeed!
Brother Blue speak truth, paleface. It not good make Brother Blue angry.
Brother Blue throw yeti wrench in cog of great conspiracy wheel. Brother
Blue make many angry.
> Happy holidays, you big blue boob, and may the farce be with you!
And a happy holiday to you too!
--
Stop on by My World for an extra special holiday treat.
http://www.concentric.net/~slaroche/HOMEPAGE.HTM
----------------------------------------------------------
slar...@concentrick.net (remove the "k" to respond)
Alex P. LeClair
Rhd. Lou Minatti wrote:
>
> ufot...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > Jack Shulman Exposes
> > Hidden Ultra-Secret ET
> > Military Organization
> > Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show
> > 12-20-97
> >
> >
> > In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the American
> > Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have discovered a heretofore
> > ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black Budget, deeply buried, military
> > organization which deals with, and may direct and operate, our UFO/ET
> > policy.
> <snip>
>
> A superb marketing campaign! Shulman and his marketing team are
> geniuses. Make up a story involving a popular superstition, post it on a
> commercial web site, then sit back and watch the hit rate increase
> dramatically as people visit the site and spread the story to
> potentially millions worldwide.
>
> It's a great way to get your company's name out to the public, and it
> costs nothing! ACC should win an award.
>
> Stop on by My World for an extra special holiday treat.
> http://www.concentric.net/~slaroche/HOMEPAGE.HTM
> ----------------------------------------------------------
never heard of them, but then again I don't know much about computer co.
_DrPostman
dens...@cts.com.org.net (Frank Sinatra) wrote:
>kpri...@dfw.dfw.net (Mark Shippey) wrote:
>> YES! YES! The words "American Computer Company" are the code
>>words for Usenet Manchurian Candidates who are programmed to
>>post whenever these words are mentioned!
>Look, Shippey, I'm about sick and tired of all this crap! Why is it
>that as soon as you people even MENTION the American Computer Com....
>Reporting for duty, sir.
This is worker speaking, hello.
--
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according to our new tv ads (gag)
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Member,Board of Directors of afa-b,
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Ya'll quit this! I'm getting dizzy.
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:25:11 GMT, dens...@cts.com.org.net (Blue Resonant
>Human) wrote:
>>jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>>
>>>ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
>>
>>The words "American Computer Company" are the code words for Usenet
>>Manchurian Candidates who are programmed to post whenever these words
>>are mentioned! They cannot stop themselves! The Conspiracy has
>>conditioned them to post and post and post until their fingers are
>>numb whenever these words appear. This is obvious.
>Projecting again, hon?
>>
Blue Resonant Human
jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes) wrote:
>Happy holidays, you big blue boob, and may the farce be with you!
Won't you come over to the Dark Side with us, young Skywalker?
Please...?
Pretty please...?
John
Only if you take back all the dirty rotten names you called me over this
past year!
-- The Bitch(tm)
The Commentator
Peter Kazlouski wrote:
>
> The no-longer-secret EXTRATERRESTRIAL SPACE COMMAND DIRECTORATE
> needs to be blanket-searched with freedom of information act
> requests. Its complete or abbreviated name, E2SCD, should
> provide much interesting reading.
>
> SPOOKS) are becoming more frantic? They cant stop the progress.
> Maybe they wont get paid as much for their LIES, distractions and
> disinformation.
And how much are they paying you to pass off codswallop and flapdoodle?
HTWM
> I'd say why not try shaving with Occam's razor? What we have here is
> a relatively successful scam which helps ACC make a great deal of
> generating mountains of free advertising for them. Notice how things
> have miraculously risen to a veritable crescendo right around the
> height of gift-buying season? Coincidence?
>
> "All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong"
What you are missing is that ACC is not selling anything yet... If they
were trying to target christmas, they would have had all of this happen
about in july, at the end of the quarter.....
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:25:45 GMT, {notdisclosed}@erols.com (John) wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:51:35 -0600, Lou Minatti <slar...@ihatespam.com>
>wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Brother Blue speak truth, paleface. It not good make Brother Blue angry.
>>Brother Blue throw yeti wrench in cog of great conspiracy wheel. Brother
>>Blue make many angry.
>
>And are you and BRH members of ACSA?
If I remember correctly, if they are members of any gov't laboratory, they
are *automatic* members, whether they want to be or not!
Ain't it great!
Father Brian O'Blivion
{notdisclosed}@erols.com (John) wrote:
>-- The Bitch(tm)
Well ... all right. Go thy way and sin no more, my child.
Domino Vobiscum and Res Inexplicata Volans, etc.;
-Father Brian O'Blivion
Vatican Spy
Kevin J. Burnett
Peter Kazlouski (Pet...@erols.com) wrote:
: the rainman wrote:
: >
: > (massive amounts of snip)
: >
: > this character was shilling the same shit story on the ultra
: > right-wing
: > shortwave radio for a Year prior to this "announcement".
: >
: > more bullshit, cleverly wrapped for consumption by cloistered
: > ufo/computer geeks who'll pay to have it unwrapped for them.
: >
: > as someone once remarked: "There's a sucker born every minute".
: >
: >
: The above is TOTAL LIES. Therefore this "rainman" person is
: assisting the CIA/NSA SPOOKS. He may or may not be getting paid
: for it, but HE LIES LIKE A SPOOK (not just an ordinary skeptic).
: Notice how FRANTIC the coverup/disinformation people are
: becoming.
And you are either a paranoid lunatic fruitcake, or a troll.
--
---
Nolan
k...@rahul.net
no...@kjb.cnchost.com
The Commentator
Peter Kazlouski wrote:
>
> TOTALLY WRONG. ACC was founded by Shulman, not by Bell Labs.
> Shulman got interested when his offices were terrorist bombed and
> several file servers destroyed. His investigations are punching
> so many holes in the secrecy that it could all be over soon.
> Further, he intends to have the transcapacitor developed and
> licensed WITHOUT the high cost that kept transistors away from
> most nonmilitary products until the patents expired.
>
> Thats why you are totally wrong.
>
> jimmes wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:48:53 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron
> > Schwarz -- see sig
> > to reply) wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:28:20 GMT, jimmes*@hotmail.com (jimmes)
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:12:10 GMT, dev...@clubvb.com (Ron
> > Schwarz -- see sig
> > >>to reply) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>[...]
> > >>
> > >>> Why do The Followers steadfastly continue to ignore these
> >
> > >>> meaningful points?
> > >>
> > >>Lemme guess, they're shills for ACC?
> > >
> >
> > Speculation:
> >
> > Lemme guess again, *some* are shills for ACC. ACC was founded
> > in the '70s
> > by Bell Labs, right? And Bell Labs allegedly received
> > technology from DoD
> > to mainstream into society, right? And Bell Labs is considered
> > part of the
> > "industrial complex", right? And *if* DoD wanted to introduce
> > a radically
> > new technology derived from extraterrestrial sources, it would
> > hand it to
> > the "industrial complex" (Bell Labs) to develop and distribute,
> > but *first*
> > it would have to squelch the notion that the new technology was
> > derived from
> > extraterrestrial technology -- and what better way to discredit
> > this notion
> > than cause a fracas on the web with one of Bell Labs' spin-off
> > companies --
> > ACC. The modus operandi is very similiar to the Courtney
> > Brown/Ed
> > Dames/Hale Bopp /Heaven's Gate crap -- which all transpired on
> > the web and
> > wasn't widely publicized *after* the Heaven's Gate deaths in
> > order to sway
> > public opinion against the validity of remote viewing and
> > anyone who was
> > pro-extraterrestrial. Classic CIA cointellpro job.
> >
> > If I'm right, act two of the ACC saga will follow shortly.
> > Perhaps
> > something akin to the Heaven's Gate cult suicides -- designed
> > to discredit
> > Roswell and any witness who knows DoD is holding
> > extraterrestrial technology
> > in the form of whole or partial flying saucers. The timing
> > will probably
> > coincide with the publishing of David Adair's (congressional
> > extraterrestrial technology witness) book, _America's Fall From
> > Space_.
> >
> > End speculation.
Sorry to inject facts into your previously fact free screed, but the
transistor was well entrenched in the civilian market long before the
patent expired.
Sony in Japan was one of the few companies with enough foresight to
purchase a license to build and sell transistors and they got
financially healthy from their investment.
The only thing that slowed the entrance of the transistor to the
commercial market was the truely lousy way Bell Labs marketed the
device. Of course that isnt terribly surprising, their mission was R&D
not marketing.
I still have a small AM radio with SEVEN (yes, SEVEN, it says so right
on the face) transistors that was purchased in 1957, and it still works
just fine, thank you.
So your claim that the transistor was not in civilian applications is
simply wrong. But when you swallow the codswallop and flapdoodle from
outfits like ACC without doing any actual research such errors are to be
expected.
Good Folk
On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:58:51 -0800, The Commentator
<71154...@compuserve.com> wrote:
[...]
> But when you swallow the codswallop and flapdoodle from
>outfits like ACC without doing any actual research such errors are to be
>expected.
I here by officially declare that I think ACC is completely full of
cadswhoop and flapperdiddles. But I fail to see the purpose in what ACC is
doing.
1) If this is an ACC marketing scheme, it backfired. I'd never buy a
computer from ACC, would you? Secondly, they targeted a small cyberspace
audience for their scheme, and selected a highly controversial subject as a
"marketing ploy".
2) If ACC (by some stretch of the imagination) is legitimate and sincerely
believes what they've published on the web, then they've sucessfully
discredited themselves and the stuff they've published on the web.
And I ask again, what for? Why?
Dave Mann
BlueBoy,
"Some impressions of Brother Blue are correct"
You seem to spend a great deal of time in the 3rd Density. Just an
observation.
DAVO
A.Lee Inman
Tell Us Now
Jimmy Snibbler
Rob Hafernik wrote:
>
> Hey, maybe we could start a pool and put our money where our mouths are.
> If we could find the right person to hold the money, I'd be happy to bet
> $100 that no breakthrough technology based on the alien transcap EVER
> makes it to market.
>
> Anyone else?
Then you'd be happy to have someone hold your hundred bucks forEVER,
fool, becuz your bet will go on forever as defined above. I'd be glad
to hold the money for that period of time.
Snibbler
Blue Resonant Human
mrda...@webtv.net (Dave Mann) wrote:
>You seem to spend a great deal of time in the 3rd Density. Just an
>observation.
::: sigh :::
All part of my oath as a Boddhisatva. I'd love to move on with the
rest of the Ascended Masters but alas, dipshits like you who couldn't
find their own ass with both hands yet require my loving guidance.
Peace and Blessed Be,
Jane Gallion
Blue Resonant Human wrote:
>
> mrda...@webtv.net (Dave Mann) wrote:
>
> >You seem to spend a great deal of time in the 3rd Density. Just an
> >observation.
>
> ::: sigh :::
>
> All part of my oath as a Boddhisatva. I'd love to move on with the
> rest of the Ascended Masters but alas, dipshits like you who couldn't
> find their own ass with both hands yet require my loving guidance.
Gosh, I'm glad someboddhi else is on the job. I thot it was just me.
Whew!
Hey, can you come over to austin.general & help me out once in awhile?
There are some dipshits over there that cdnt find their asses with a
flashlight & a Thomas Brothers map.
-- 0):-D
==================================================
Jane Gallion
Illuminati Online
ja...@io.com
Rob Hafernik
Lou Minatti
I'm in.
Harry Bosch
I'm in, just don't let Frager hold the money.
Regards,
Rhd. Harry
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Never attribute deep motivations when simple stupidity will suffice.
Mark Shippey
Rob Hafernik (shok...@well.com) wrote:
: Hey, maybe we could start a pool and put our money where our mouths are.
: If we could find the right person to hold the money, I'd be happy to bet
: $100 that no breakthrough technology based on the alien transcap EVER
: makes it to market.
:
: Anyone else?
What they will do is say that the technology will make it to the market
but the alien source was covered up by The Conspiracy. This would be
that ole' UFOlogist Sidestep, the same dance where they chant about how
the real reason there is no verifiable proof of aliens is because The
Conspiracy is hiding it and won't tell anyone. Naughty Conspiracy.
Glen Quarnstrom
Lou Minatti <slar...@ihatespam.com> wrote:
>Rob Hafernik wrote:
>>
>> Hey, maybe we could start a pool and put our money where our mouths are.
>> If we could find the right person to hold the money, I'd be happy to bet
>> $100 that no breakthrough technology based on the alien transcap EVER
>> makes it to market. ^^^^
>> ^^^^
>> Anyone else?
>
>I'm in.
How do you intend to collect?
ObDuh: Duh!
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Dave Mann
dens...@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human) wrote:
>"...dipshits like you who couldn't find their own ass with both
hands yet require my loving guidance."<
Blue Boy,
It is a nobel quest indeed that you have undertaken! Just think, you
have decided to forego nirvanna to help dipshits find their own ass. The
Ascended Masters must be beaming with pride to include you in their
numbers!
Perhaps you could start a foundation to further the cause. Maybe,
"AssSearch International for Dipshits" You could be "The Supreme
Sphincter of the Brown Lodge of the Loggerheads".
But I do sincerely thank you for the explanation of why you spend so
much of your time in the 3rd density.
Happy Searching! And don't forget the Charmin!
DAVO
R...@pantheon.global
Perhaps they only meant to set up a web site, and other interests would
benefit if their product was discredited?
Red
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Tim Tulley
On 26 Dec 1997 02:28:33 GMT, R...@Pantheon.global wrote:
<
<>Never attribute deep motivations when simple stupidity will suffice.
<
<Perhaps they only meant to set up a web site, and other interests
would
<benefit if their product was discredited?
<
<Red
Ed,
Before you get too far along with this flight of fancy, please check
out:
You and ACC claim the stuff comes from the Roswell crash. This site
ought to remove any doubt, about that.
Tim
R...@pantheon.global
Actually I claim nothing. What I've read so far is not convincing. On the
other hand I am not buying the gov's story either.
I'm just considering the possibilities.
Rob Hafernik
> Rob Hafernik (shok...@well.com) wrote:
> : Hey, maybe we could start a pool and put our money where our mouths are.
> : If we could find the right person to hold the money, I'd be happy to bet
> : $100 that no breakthrough technology based on the alien transcap EVER
> : makes it to market.
> : Anyone else?
I see there is plenty of interest. Well, here are better terms for the bet:
The skepitcs bet that NO breakthrough technology based on ANY alien source
is released within two years.
The Believers win if ANY company releases ANY breakthrough technology
based on ANY alien source in that period.
Believers MUSt show that the technology comes from an alien source
(showing the alien artifact is enough for this, or showing how it COULDN'T
have been designed by a human for one reason or another - for example, if
it involes a material not available on earth) and the technology MUST be a
breakthrough (this means it must be new and it must be better than
anything else on the market).
Two years should give the ACC folks plenty of time to hang themselves,
since they imply that their transcap is going to hit the market soon.
Do we need any more conditions or terms?
Blue Resonant Human
mrda...@webtv.net (Dave Mann) wrote:
>It is a nobel quest indeed that you have undertaken! Just think, you
>have decided to forego nirvanna to help dipshits find their own ass. The
>Ascended Masters must be beaming with pride to include you in their
>numbers!
Well, yes, they are. In fact, if you ask them about me, you'll see
they get a little teary-eyed and smile warmly.
brendan stamp
Has it escaped your notice that most hoax's and fraud were discovered by or
with te help of the so-called UFOlk. Maybe if you were to become an
impartial observer rather than just sprouting on with your own belief
system. I am not critisizing your beliefs, all i am asking is that you and
others like yourself learn a little about the subject before running it to
ground with just te barest facts picked up from news shows and magazine
articles rather than from UFOlogists who if good should be impartial and
deal only with facts and keep speculation down to a bare minimum. This is
not always the case but if you were to seek information on reputable,
credible researchers there are many forums where anyone can find
specialists in many areas of UFOlogy.
In closing seek before you speak. Respond with thought, not ignorant
onslaught
Ron Schwarz -- see sig to reply
Not sure who TF you're blubbering at, since you didn't dignify your bolus by
quoting any material, but on the off-chance you took your shot at *me*, here
goes:
The facts in this case are not subject to debate. The ACC gang screwed up
early in the game and blew their own cover. The jig is up. Game Over.
Thanks for playing.
>In closing seek before you speak. Respond with thought, not ignorant
>onslaught
Uh, blow it out your ass? <g>
Mike Broussard
Tim Tulley wrote:
>
> On 26 Dec 1997 02:28:33 GMT, R...@Pantheon.global wrote:
>
> <
> <>Never attribute deep motivations when simple stupidity will suffice.
> <
> <Perhaps they only meant to set up a web site, and other interests
> would
> <benefit if their product was discredited?
> <
> <Red
>
> Ed,
>
> Before you get too far along with this flight of fancy, please check
> out:
>
> http://www.roswell.org
>
> You and ACC claim the stuff comes from the Roswell crash. This site
> ought to remove any doubt, about that.
>
It didn't, sorry. But please check
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/newse/rosw/ran.html
and
http://home.clara.net/chipp/kent.html
for rebuttals to the web site you so kindly provided.
Regards...
--
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http://www.1stnet.com/~mikeb | Fax: (318) 234-1447
Cason Knowles
fuck you fuck you fuck you
Tim Tulley
On 27 Dec 1997 16:42:52 GMT, "brendan stamp" <tu...@indigo.ie> wrote:
<Has it escaped your notice that most hoax's and fraud were discovered
by or
<with te help of the so-called UFOlk.
Yah, but thier brother and sister UFOlk are the ones that started the
hoax or fraud in the first place. So what's your point?
Are we then to assume that some UFOlk are truth tellers and some are
liars - like in the logic puzzles? Do the frauds and hoaxers come
equiped with signs, telling us they are liars?
The amount of crud spwed forth by the dishonest scum in the UFO
community has tarnished the reputations of all of you.
Yes some scientists have lied and hoaxed, but the percentages show
that 99% of scientists are basically honest - I believe the percentage
of honest UFO people is significently less.
Tim
-----------------------------------------------------
I used to be sane, then I got better.
Tim Tulley
Rochester, NY
Illuminiti Director of Opperations
twi...@worldnet.att.net
Mike Broussard <mi...@1stnet.com> wrote:
>Tim Tulley wrote:
>>
>> On 26 Dec 1997 02:28:33 GMT, R...@Pantheon.global wrote:
>>
>> <
>> <>Never attribute deep motivations when simple stupidity will suffice.
>> <
>> <Perhaps they only meant to set up a web site, and other interests
>> would
>> <benefit if their product was discredited?
>> <
>> <Red
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Before you get too far along with this flight of fancy, please check
>> out:
>>
>> http://www.roswell.org
>>
>> You and ACC claim the stuff comes from the Roswell crash. This site
>> ought to remove any doubt, about that.
>>
>
>It didn't, sorry. But please check
>
>http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/newse/rosw/ran.html
Randle quotes Brazel as saying "Brazel said, that he had
previously found weather observation balloons on two other
occasions... but that what he found this time did not in any
way resemble either of these."
But Randle ignores that the normal weather balloon didn't
come with a radar target and that is what was described and
shown in the photos.
"But, if what was found was a Project Mogul balloon as
alleged, or just any sort of balloon as Kent suggests, then
it would have been exactly like those. That is what we
are talking about when we talk of Mogul Flight #4. It was a
cluster of regular weather balloons and contained nothing to
fool Brazel, Marcel, or anyone else. "
These were not regular weather balloons as Randle knows
quite well. They were extreme high altitude unpigmented
neoprene balloon with radar targets attached. And, regular
weather balloons didn't have radar targets! So, Randle is
being less than honest here.
Randle agrees that the debris found at the Foster Ranch was
not from an alien spacecraft:
"There is not the range of debris you would expect from a
crashing craft. "
but then goes on to claim that the saucer was elsewhere.
Despite the fact that his principle witness who started the
whole Roswell myth only went to the Foster Ranch!
But the most ludicrous part of Randle's article was the
statement that:
" As I said, you can't reject inconvenient testimony until
you provide a proper framework for that rejection. "
What he should have stated was that you can't accept
convenient testimony until you have some external evidence
for it!
>
>and
>
>http://home.clara.net/chipp/kent.html
Stanton Friedman's analysis is even worse! He doesn't
discuss Kent's points, he discusses Kent.
Then he claims that:
"Only one document, as it happens, was TOP SECRET and it
dealt with "Analysis of Incidents", not analysis of
wreckage; two very different areas of technological
investigation."
As if the AF would have the people who were doing Top Secret
analysis of UFO incidents ignorant of the fact that we had
wreckage! They could use that information in their
analysis! If they were doing a Top Secret analysis of UFO
incidents they definitely had a need-to-know about the
wreckage!
And, what did they decide based on their analysis?
"8. THE ORIGIN of the devices is not ascertainable.
There are two possibilities:
(1) The objects are domestic devices, and if so, their
identification or origin can be established by a survey of
all launchings of airborne objects....
(2) Objects are foreign, and if so, it would seem most
logical to consider that they are from a Soviet source. "
So, Friedman would have you believe that the AF, apparently
as a little joke on the analysts, kept the info regarding
the wreckage from them so they would think that these UFOs
are either domestic devices or of Soviet manufacture!
"Kent acts as though the debris found by Mac Brazel must
have been all there was. There have been aircraft accidents
where an engine was found many miles from the fuselage. I am
convinced, partly from the Eisenhower briefing, as
delineated in "TOP SECRET/MAJIC", that alien bodies... and
other wreckage from inside the craft, were found just a few
miles from the debris field. Kent complains about nothing
exotic being found because he apparently thinks he knows
all about alien spacecraft construction. One of the things
that Jesse Marcel senior impressed upon me in 1978 was the
LACK of anything conventional. "
So, based on the TOP SECRET/MAJIC files Friedman knows that
Kent is incorrect!
The trouble is that, besides Friedman, no one believes that
Majic is real!
And, those aliens don't know much about physics either!
"A radar beam known to be on could have disrupted a
propulsion or guidance system causing a collision."
What sort of EM fields would an interstellar vehicle have to
fly through? Much worse ones than a radar beam at a
significant distance!
More of Friedman's detailed discussion of Kent's objections
go like this:
"One of the worst things about Kent's article is that it
employs tunnel vision. What about the testimony of Bill
Brazel, who found strange wreckage himself? Of Judd Roberts
the radio station man? Of Elizabeth Tulk and Phyllis McGuire
the sheriff's daughters? Of Loretta Procter, of other
ranchers?"
Yep. That is really answering the points!
Friedman's article might best be described by his own final
line:
"In short, Kent Jeffrey's enthusiastic "definitive" article
is a splendid example of propaganda, NOT investigation. "
Rob Hafernik
In article <683tsl$8i$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
mave...@webtv.net (Cason Knowles) wrote:
> fuck you fuck you fuck you
Yet another lovely offering by the WebTV generation. Pretty tough NOT to
discriminate against folks like this.
Rob Hafernik
In article <01bd12db$3b62a420$LocalHost@nfwenaax>, "brendan stamp"
<tu...@indigo.ie> wrote:
> Has it escaped your notice that most hoax's and fraud were discovered by or
> with te help of the so-called UFOlk. Maybe if you were to become an
> impartial observer rather than just sprouting on with your own belief
> system. I am not critisizing your beliefs, all i am asking is that you and
> others like yourself learn a little about the subject before running it to
> ground with just te barest facts picked up from news shows and magazine
> articles rather than from UFOlogists who if good should be impartial and
> deal only with facts and keep speculation down to a bare minimum. This is
> not always the case but if you were to seek information on reputable,
> credible researchers there are many forums where anyone can find
> specialists in many areas of UFOlogy.
You didn't refer to any specific person in your post, so you direct your
words to all skeptics. The chances are that many of us skeptics have read
MORE of the mainstream UFO literature than YOU have. Many of us have
degrees in science or engineering and are not using "barest facts picked
up from news shows and magazine articles".
I would ask you:
*** Can you document your claim that "most hoax's and fraud were
discovered by or with te help of the so-called UFOlk"? I don't think this
is true, but please correct me if you have information to support your
claim.
*** If we're going to "speculation down to a bare minimum", don't we have
to throw out nearly all of UFOlogy? My dictionary defines speculation in
this sense as "Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or
supposition". Doesn't this practically DEFINE the nature of UFO
investigation? I think you HAVE to keep speculation involved if you're
even going to discuss UFOs, since almost no hard physical evidence is
available.
*** Please enlighten us as to where we might find "specialists in many
areas of UFOlogy" that would help in judging the claims made by ACC (the
topic of this thread).
> In closing seek before you speak. Respond with thought, not ignorant
> onslaught
Bren, good buddy, you're the one not stopping to think before you
"speak". This thread is about the silly claims made by ACC. It doesn't
take much education in electrical engineering to see that they're making
this all up. As many folks have posted, their "transcap" device is just
silly in light of modern computer engineering and practice. It's not
clear why they would make up such a story (I can't see how it will lead to
sales), but it is clear that they have.
Mark Sanders
shok...@well.com (Rob Hafernik) wrote:
It's pretty clear as to the "WHY" isn't it? 2 months ago, NO ONE had
ever heard of the American Computer Company and their imperious leader
"Mad Jack Schulman". That a company would use USENET newsgroups for
this type of discourse should send off all kinds of alarms....but
hey, at least it was original!
Rob Hafernik
In article <34a7d663...@news.mindspring.com>, ice...@mindspring.com
wrote:
<snip>
> It's pretty clear as to the "WHY" isn't it? 2 months ago, NO ONE had
> ever heard of the American Computer Company and their imperious leader
> "Mad Jack Schulman". That a company would use USENET newsgroups for
> this type of discourse should send off all kinds of alarms....but
> hey, at least it was original!
No, those PrimeCo folks have been doing this "alien technology" deal for
some time. They just have their tongue planted firmly in their cheeks and
the ad campaign seems to be working just fine for them.
The ACC folks are doing it all wrong, they should have done it PrimeCo way.
Jerry Bryson
Mark Sanders <ice...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> It's pretty clear as to the "WHY" isn't it? 2 months ago, NO ONE had
> ever heard of the American Computer Company and their imperious leader
> "Mad Jack Schulman". That a company would use USENET newsgroups for
> this type of discourse should send off all kinds of alarms....but
> hey, at least it was original!
So, has anyone outside these much-abused ng's heard of them yet? This
is turning into a D&D game.
--
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_DrPostman
jbr...@richmond.infi.net (Jerry Bryson) wrote:
>So, has anyone outside these much-abused ng's heard of them yet? This
>is turning into a D&D game.
Turning into? I thought thats what this was - or a very
poor MUD.
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