WHY was this made into a Child Protective Services Investigation?
Greegor
Why wasn't it screened out at the hotline level?
Are CPS agencies misusing Federal dollars by refusing
to screen out ANY hotline reports?
http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4540&Itemid=1
Teachers cleared of sprinkling “holy water,” now under criminal
probe
Written by ELGIN JONES
FORT LAUDERDALE — School district officials have cleared two teachers
of spraying holy water onto an atheist colleague, but now the teachers
face new, criminal allegations.
The criminal investigation centers on another complaint alleging that
the teachers caused students “mental injury” by disparaging Haiti in a
classroom.
“There is an active Child Protective Services investigation,”
confirmed Mike Jachles, a Broward Sheriff’s Office spokesman. “That’s
all we can say right now. We don’t do administrative investigations.
That’s not us.”
The latest revelations in the ongoing saga surfaced during meetings on
Wednesday, June 2, when the accused teachers and their attorney,
Johnny L. McCray Jr., met with investigators from the Broward School
District’s Special Investigations Unit (SIU) to give sworn statements.
School Board Member Ben Williams on Thursday, June 3 said the teachers
are no longer being investigated for sprinkling holy water, an
allegation that the teachers and their attorney have consistently
denied from the start.
“They are now admitting no holy water was ever sprayed,” McCray said
about school officials. “SIU told us the atheist teacher never
complained of holy water, but that’s not what my clients were told
from the outset by the principal, and three different SIU
investigators.”
McCray continued: “It all is part of the same incident, and SIU told
us the assistant principal, Sabrina Elsinger, filed a complaint with
BSO. I spoke with Donald Gelin, [BSO assistant legal counsel], who
confirmed to me they are conducting an investigation.”
Calls made to Elsinger were not returned, and she did not respond to
several emails seeking comment.
“My clients never sprayed any holy water on anyone, and they never
made any comments about Haiti, period,” McCray said. “It was the
students who discussed Haiti with the atheist teacher, not my
clients.”
Citing the ongoing status of the investigation, David Golt, director
of the SIU, declined comment.
The latest turn of events surfaced just days before School
Superintendent Jim Notter and Williams are scheduled to hold a meeting
with church leaders, on Friday, June 4.
Local pastors are seeking answers about the teachers’ removal, and
about what they perceive as anti-Christian discussions in the
classroom.
“The criminal investigation furthers our concerns these teachers are
being singled out and targeted,” said the Rev. Mathes Guice, one of
the pastors who requested the meeting.
“We now have even more questions that need answering.”
The criminal investigation centers on Blanche Ely High School reading
teachers Leslie Rainer and Djuna Robinson, who profess that they are
Christians. The two were initially accused of sprinkling holy water
onto fellow teacher Schandra Tompkinsel Rodriguez, an avowed atheist.
School officials this week backed away from that allegation.
On March 11, Rodriguez was in her classroom in the Pompano Beach
school, discussing with students the fact that she does not believe in
God or the Bible, according to confidential sources and McCray.
Rodriguez was talking about the Jan. 12 earthquake that devastated
Haiti when Rainer and Robinson entered the room.
A student brought up the Rev. Pat Robertson’s remark that the disaster
was caused by God’s wrath on the island nation because of a pact that
Haitian leaders allegedly made with Satan more than 200 years ago, the
confidential sources and McCray said.
Rainer told the student that this position was only the evangelist
leader’s opinion, and Rodriguez reportedly began refuting
Christianity.
One student then said, “Sounds like somebody needs some holy water.”
Robinson retrieved a bottle of perfume, and held it up from the
doorway, McCray and the sources said.
The alleged Satanic pact in question reportedly occurred at Bois-
Caïman, near Cap-Haïtien, on August 14, 1791, during a voodoo ceremony
held by enslaved Africans. The alleged agreement preceded the slave
rebellion and beginning of the Haitian Independence War, in which
rebel leaders offered the reported agreement in exchange for a victory
against the French Army.
Robertson’s explanation for Haiti’s birth as a free nation has been
disputed. Some historians have offered written evidence that
revolutionary leaders were actually praying to God for help during the
rebellion.
After the school incident in Pompano Beach on March 11, the three
teachers had lunch together, as they had usually done previously.
Then, in an April 12 notice, school principal Karlton O. Johnson
accused Robinson and Rainer of “upbraiding” a teacher and violating
state anti-bullying laws over the sprinkling allegation.
Rainer and Robinson spoke with three different SIU investigators, who
all told them Rodriguez had filed a complaint, alleging that they
sprinkled her with holy water.
On April 23, Golt, the SIU director, issued a memorandum removing
Rainer and Robinson from their classrooms. They were escorted off
campus, with instructions not to return without permission. The move
was at the request of BSO, McCray said, citing SIU investigators as
the source of his information.
In the principal’s notices to the teachers, there is no mention of
“mental injury” or any other offenses against students. Rather, his
letter accused the teachers of abuses against another teacher:
Rodriguez.
“As per the requirements of the Jeffrey Johnson [sic] Stand Up For All
Students Act and the Broward County Schools’ Anti-Bullying Policy 5.9,
this letter is being sent to address the outcome of the complaint of
alleged bullying/harassment filed against you on March 22, 2010
regarding incidents on or before March 11, 2010, that alleged that you
upbraided and embarrassed a teacher at your school,” Karlton Johnson
wrote in his April 12 notice to Rainer and Robinson.
School officials have not explained the apparent contradictions. Eddie
Arnold, executive director of the district’s Public Relations &
Governmental Affairs Department, said he was compiling the information
to clarify all that has taken place.
Still, questions remain.
“The investigator told us the school district had nothing to do with
my clients being removed from the classroom. He said it was done at
the request of the Broward Sheriff’s Office’s Child Protective
Investigations Section (CPIS).”
Jachles, the BSO spokesperson, would not comment further, except to
emphasize that BSO does not get involved in administrative decisions.
In conjunction with other law enforcement agencies, CPIS investigates
complaints of child abuse, neglect, abandonment or endangerment. This
is done through direct complaints, as well as tips received through
the Florida Abuse Hotline Information System, which is operated by the
Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF).
McCray said that neither he nor his clients were informed of a BSO
investigation until Wednesday’s meeting with SIU.
“I’m preparing letters to BSO, because none of it makes a lot of
sense,” McCray said. “Who determined there were mental injuries, and
what is the basis for their investigation?”
Further complicating the matter, all three teachers are members of the
Broward Teacher’s Union (BTU). Robinson is the union shop steward at
Ely. Rodriguez’s husband, also a teacher, is a BTU shop steward at
Western High School in Davie.
“The BTU questions why the two teachers and members including one who
is a BTU steward were removed from the school when the allegations do
not involve a threat of or physical harm to an employee or student,”
Broward Teacher’s Union spokesman John Ristow said in a previous email
to the South Florida Times. “This goes against the general past
practice of the district and its investigations.”
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> WHY was this made into a Child Protective Services Investigation?
> Why wasn't it screened out at the hotline level?
>
> Are CPS agencies misusing Federal dollars by refusing
> to screen out ANY hotline reports?
>
Crackpot teachers sprinkling imitation holy water is a threat to the
school children. We got enough god bullshit crammed down our throats
already. I do not want my child soaked with governmental religious
drugs disguised as "holy water". If it "was "perfume. We would need
evidence that it was manufactured in a safe environment and that is
does not contain any evil cancerous material the religious government
has been guilty of using in past torture sessions.
God is a piece of shitsky.
Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/288f5cfa9a9b5d10
From: Hiccum Blurpaedius <hic...@gmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.173.203.48
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
HB> Crackpot teachers sprinkling imitation holy water
HB > is a threat to the school children. We got enough
HB > god bullshit crammed down our throats already.
HB > I do not want my child soaked with governmental
HB > religious drugs disguised as "holy water". If it
HB > "was "perfume. We would need evidence that it
HB > was manufactured in a safe environment and that
HB > is does not contain any evil cancerous material
HB > the religious government has been guilty of using
HB > in past torture sessions.
HB >
HB > God is a piece of shitsky.
If any ""Child Protection"" agency accepted such
a report and failed to screen it out at the hotline
level they would be guilty of misusing federal funds.
I can see this being a big deal for the school board
and the local PTA, but there is no real CPS or
criminal issue here.
I get the antigod angle, Hiccum, but are
you saying that CPS agencies are antigod?
I see from one follow up story that the two teachers
were suspended, but not for how long.
Thanatos
<6c0c5ccd-5f29-46fd...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Hiccum Blurpaedius <hic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Crackpot teachers sprinkling imitation holy water is a threat to the
> school children.
Except that everyone involved admits that didn't happen.
Greegor
HB > Crackpot teachers sprinkling imitation holy
HB > water is a threat to the school children.
Thanatos > Except that everyone involved admits that didn't happen.
Not Dan!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/10e564bdf9b684cc
He posted a link to an article that charts the
bureaucratic work flow (and money flow!)
when both law enforcement and CPS are involved.
He never explained how anything in that story
was ever a CRIMINAL case or even a CPS case!
In other words, Dan posted an AUTHORITATIVE
answer which DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
about why this was not screened out at the hotline
level and how this was in any way CRIMINAL.
That's typical for Dan.
Greegor
> From the original article posted by you, grag... "school principal
> Karlton O. Johnson accused Robinson and Rainer of “upbraiding” a
> teacher and violating state anti-bullying laws over the sprinkling
> allegation."
>
>
> “As per the requirements of the Jeffrey Johnson [sic] Stand Up For All
> Students Act and the Broward County Schools’ Anti-Bullying Policy 5.9,
> this letter is being sent to address the outcome of the complaint of
> alleged bullying/harassment filed against you on March 22, 2010
> regarding incidents on or before March 11, 2010, that alleged that you
> upbraided and embarrassed a teacher at your school,” Karlton Johnson
> wrote in his April 12 notice to Rainer and Robinson.
Did it really happen, Dan?
Do you think there was adequate mental trauma for CPS
to be involved?
Greegor
>
> > Do you think there was adequate mental trauma for CPS
> > to be involved?
DJS3 > What do you mean by adequate?
Sufficient mental trauma to not be screened out at hotline level?
Whether the sprinkilg of holy water may or may not have taken plase
and said water may or may not have been actual holy water?
Geez, Dan, Are you lawyered up or what??
Greegor
to judge mental abuse of kids?
After all, they may or may not have seen
what may or may not have been real or
pretend holy water sprinkled on an alleged atheist.
Do you think that would comprise enough mental
damage to their fragile little psychies that CPS
would need to get involved?
Do you expect criminal charges in re the BULLYING laws?
Did NY have your party primaries today?
Who did you vote in?
Greegor
> On Jun 9, 1:21 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Do you think CPS is in ANY way qualified
> > to judge mental abuse of kids?
>
> psychologist or psychiatrist.
Supposed to?
For allegedly sprinkled holy water?
Or the religious bunkum about the
earthquake being God's wrath?
Do you really think the taxpayers need to
pay for psych evals of kids based on those?
Do you think the parents should ALLOW
their kids to be violated by the psychologist
because they were allegedly violated by
the above stupidity playing out in front
of them?
Ever heard of confirmatory bias?
The "couch trip"?
Job security?
> > After all, they may or may not have seen
> > what may or may not have been real or
> > pretend holy water sprinkled on an alleged atheist.
>
> > Do you think that would comprise enough mental
> > damage to their fragile little psychies that CPS
> > would need to get involved?
DJS3 > It's supposed to be the suspicion of
DJS3 > abuse or neglect that gets
DJS3 > reported to CPS, grag.
How many total hotline reports were made on you
that resulted in your 20+ child abuse investigations
and your 5 FOUNDEDS, one of which was for child
sexual abuse, Dan?
Did EVERY suspicion result in an investigation
or were there any hotline tips that were screened out?
Do you believe that no report should be screened out?
Like a claim that poor little kids psyche's were
damaged when two religious teachers supposedly
splashed another teacher with holy water?
Do you think there is ANY threshold at which
a hotline report should be screened out?
Not to mention that allegedly the supposed
ersatz holy water may or may not have been
sprinkled at all......
Greegor
> On Jun 10, 2:57 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 9, 12:57 am, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 9, 1:21 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Do you think CPS is in ANY way qualified
> > > > to judge mental abuse of kids?
>
> > > In NY CPS is supposed to have the children evaluated by a qualified
> > > psychologist or psychiatrist.
>
> > Supposed to?
>
> > For allegedly sprinkled holy water?
> > Or the religious bunkum about the
> > earthquake being God's wrath?
>
>
> > Do you really think the taxpayers need to
> > pay for psych evals of kids based on those?
>
>
> > Do you think the parents should ALLOW
> > their kids to be violated by the psychologist
> > because they were allegedly violated by
> > the above stupidity playing out in front
> > of them?
>
> they witnessed in school?
>
> Better yet, grag, why don't you explain how you ALLOWED Lisa Watkins'
> daughter to be removed by the authorities when you claim no evidence
> of abuse or neglect existed.
Since you married and made babies with a BIPOLAR
woman, do you think your kids ever saw some bad
behavior that might have damaged their little psychies?
Feb 2002
Dan Sullivan wrote "I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93."
[...]
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 Dan Sullivan wrote
"My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
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Greegor
Greegor
DJS3 > I love it when you're left to write messages all by yourself.
G > You provide all of the help I need!
DJS3 > You don't need help to be a liar, grag.
DJS3 > All you need to do is get up in the morning.
You talked about your family and your cases
with CPS, but when I asked some rather pointed
questions you then said you will only answer
questions if I sent them to you in paper
(like an interrogatory, paper deposition) by
way of the US Mail.
For example, you said you had a BIPOLAR
ex-wife and you had kids with her.
But you won't answer the question about
WHEN in that process you knew she was
bipolar.
Even your good buddy Kent has said that
it would be incredible if you didn't know
before you married her.
Certainly it would be incredible that you
didn't know before you made BABIES
(plural) with her.
Yet you cannot answer such a simple
question without ""lawyering up"" ?
You were just FINE with asking questions,
mostly questions LOADED with nasty
presumptions.
But you can't answer such a reasonable
and logical question considering your
own and VOLUNTARY statements?
YOU stated your ex was bipolar.
YOU stated you had kids with her.
YOU have been ducking this question.
Exactly WHEN in that process of
getting MARRIED and making BABIES
did you KNOW your ex-wife was BIPOLAR?
Dan Sullivan
"Greegor" <gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46fe5fbf-47da-4e8b...@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>G > Dan, you are a legend in your own mind.
>
> DJS3 > I love it when you're left to write messages all by yourself.
>
> G > You provide all of the help I need!
>
> DJS3 > You don't need help to be a liar, grag.
> DJS3 > All you need to do is get up in the morning.
>
> You talked about your family and your cases
> with CPS, but when I asked some rather pointed
> questions you then said you will only answer
> questions if I sent them to you in paper
> (like an interrogatory, paper deposition) by
> way of the US Mail.
True.
Send the questions by Return Receipt so you'll know I got them.
> For example, you said you had a BIPOLAR
> ex-wife and you had kids with her.
>
> But you won't answer the question about
> WHEN in that process you knew she was
> bipolar.
>
> Even your good buddy Kent has said that
> it would be incredible if you didn't know
> before you married her.
You married a bi-polar woman, grag.
How did you not know she was bi-polar before you married her?
Greegor
DJS3 > I love it when you're left to write messages all by yourself.
G > You provide all of the help I need!
DJS3 > You don't need help to be a liar, grag.
DJS3 > All you need to do is get up in the morning.
G > You talked about your family and your cases
G > with CPS, but when I asked some rather pointed
G > questions you then said you will only answer
G > questions if I sent them to you in paper
G > (like an interrogatory, paper deposition) by
G > way of the US Mail.
DJS3 > True.
DJS3 > Send the questions by Return Receipt so you'll know I got them.
You can't answer me the way I have answered you?
You can't take what you dish out?
G > For example, you said you had a BIPOLAR
G > ex-wife and you had kids with her.
G >
G > But you won't answer the question about
G > WHEN in that process you knew she was
G > bipolar.
G >
G > Even your good buddy Kent has said that
G > it would be incredible if you didn't know
G > before you married her.
DJS3 > You married a bi-polar woman, grag.
DJS3 > How did you not know she was bi-polar before you married her?
Asked and answered already.
I have ANSWERED that line of questions, Dan!
You have not.
You think you're SPECIAL though, don't you, Dan?
You talked about your family and your cases
with CPS, but when I asked some rather pointed
questions you then said you will only answer
questions if I sent them to you in paper
(like an interrogatory, paper deposition) by
way of the US Mail.
For example, you said you had a BIPOLAR
ex-wife and you had kids with her.
But you won't answer the question about
WHEN in that process you knew she was
bipolar.
Even your good buddy Kent has said that
it would be incredible if you didn't know
before you married her.
Certainly it would be incredible that you
Kent Wills
convictions for BEATING his ex-wife), child abuser and self confessed
user and abuser of illegal drugs, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Even your good buddy Kent has said that
>G > it would be incredible if you didn't know
>G > before you married her.
>
>DJS3 > You married a bi-polar woman, grag.
>DJS3 > How did you not know she was bi-polar before you married her?
>
>Asked and answered already.
>I have ANSWERED that line of questions, Dan!
No, you have not.
As is the norm with you, all you've ever done is HIDE from the
truth that would come out in the answer.
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he
DEMANDS be held to others):
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by
attacking my first wife (deceased).
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
"Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child
abuser
As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
SMALL CLAIMS ORIGINAL NOTICE
Comments: OPA $2805.04
COPIES TO PA
VERIFICATION OF ACCOUNT
JUDGEMENT DEFAULT
Comments: JUDGMENT AGAINST GREGORY HANSON FOR $2805.04
+ INTEREST AT 7.271% FROM 8/6/98 & $45.00 COSTS.
Comments: NOTE OF GARN/NOTE TO DEFT SERV 9/24/98 BY WCSD
TO SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (ED POLKERS) FOR GREG HANSON
FEES $35.60
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson has a Garnishment order against
him from Ed Polkers. There is nothing to even suggest any of the
money legally owed has been paid. The SoL on the order has likely
expired, but Greg still can't risk getting a job due to it.
As of Saturday, March 27, 2010:
Financials
Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT
Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN)
Citation Number:
Summary Orig Paid Due
COSTS 9200.00 850.00 8350.00
FINE 500.00 500.00 0.00
SURCHARGE 150.00 150.00 0.00
RESTITUTION 0.00 0.00 0.00
OTHER 0.00 0.00 0.00
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over
$8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
Me: Hey, he used your standards.
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
reasoning.
Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.