Response to cyberstalking by Ronald S Federici and/or his collaborators and supporters was Re: Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?

John Dorsay

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Jul 11, 2009, 7:53:49 PM7/11/09

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Android Cat wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:44 pm, John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow. The cyberstalking asshole has spammed at least 179 groups with
>> the posting ids I know of.
>>
>> I'm going to pick a *few* from those I think are most interesting
>> (I'm thinking alt.adoption, alt.adoption.issues, alt.education,
>> alt.health, alt.books.reviews, alt.recovery,
>> alt.support.child-protective-services, the misc.health and sci.med
>> groups) and have at them.
>>
>> I'll let you know if I find any smoking gun.
>
> Keyword searches might turn up more. Unless he's just trolling, there
> are probably posts from his ur-identity back before he started using a
> mess of disposable identities and hiding behind proxies.

That might be more effective. The problem I have with a keyword
search is restricting the result set to something that includes a
reasonably high signal. This guy has provoked a *lot* of noise
(John nods sheepishly in Hartley's direction and says "sorry", even
as he adds a couple of xposts to this very article).

I've gone through alt and soc.adoption.* on my isps feed, looking
for known ip addresses and known posting ids used by the
cyberstalking kook.

Although there is not a lot of additional evidence, what there is
certainly points in a consistent direction.

For example, these two posts are from one of the cyberstalking
kook's known ids. They precede the earliest ars spam.
http://tinyurl.com/lt5kx6 and http://tinyurl.com/nqt8ha.

The interesting header details are here (the ip address is familiar):

<92f131d8-469c-4b3f...@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:57:35 +0000 (UTC)
saruman...@yahoo.com
68.101.34.63
j5NBmQoAAAC2KcZXmk-MDrfAdD3wqIwW

<07e49262-99c2-4d11...@e2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:03:48 +0000 (UTC)
saruman...@yahoo.com
68.101.34.63
j5NBmQoAAAC2KcZXmk-MDrfAdD3wqIwW

Then there is a hit on a Swedish proxy the cyberstalking moron has
also used in his smear campaign, that picked up a previously
unknown-to-me id:

<dbbce79f-1934-49e7...@f18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>
Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:23:18 +0000 (UTC)
ukrainian...@yahoo.com
213.112.108.203
f5YL0gkAAAAnbT-f1bL2cIvzhgLQ31J5

The google profile for this id is http://tinyurl.com/mrcglf. There
are only three posts associated with it, all linking to a blog which
is nothing but a commercial for a certain familiar international
adoption consultant <cough>Ronald S. Federici</cough>. Maybe if I
quote it in its entirety he'll DMCA me (snicker).

===========
begin quote
===========

Ukrainian Adoptions

Dr. Ronald Federici

Dr. Ronald S. Federici is a Board Certified Developmental
Neuropsychologist and regarded as one of the country’s leading
experts in the neuropsychological evaluation and treatment of
severely disturbed children, particularly children from
post-institutionalized settings. He serves a Clinical Director of
Neuropsychological and Family Therapy Associates in McLean,
Virginia. He has appeared on numerous talk shows, radio talk shows
and has written numerous articles for national and international
magazines and newspapers. He is also the author of Help for the
Hopeless Child.

Dr. Federici understands adoption firsthand, having adopted children
from both Romania and Ukraine.

Dr. Federici is an internationally recognized expert, and has served
as an adoption consultant to Angelina Jolie.

=========
end quote
=========

I wonder if that could *possibly* be the same Ronald Federici that
promotes abusive pseudoscientific therapy as described at
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/federici.html?

> (I'm not going to look just now, since I'm portable on a netbook this
> weekend, and I don't have *all* my tools with me.)

Not sure how much more value there is in continuing the search. If
the cyberstalking kook is not Federici himself, then it's one of
his close collaborators/supporters. I don't think it matters if we
can identify the specific individual. We know why the whackjob is
cyberstalking, and who is supposed to benefit from the smear
campaign. Don't let me discourage you from poking around too, but
I'm done.

> Interesting that the CircleJerk posts stopped a few days ago...

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it turns out they were colluding :)

John

--

Why is the <cough>anonymous</cough> cyberstalker posting as

trying so hard to discredit Monica Pignotti and other critics of
the abusive "treatment" called "Attachment Therapy"?

Why doesn't he direct people to the American Psychological
Association Division 37 Task Force position paper at
http://www.apa.org/divisions/div37/RADTaskForceManuscript.pdf
instead?

--

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Paul Horner
dba silver...@gmail.com (http://tinyurl.com/8japvj)
dba kand...@gmail.com (http://tinyurl.com/clpvqw)
dba lifecasa...@gmail.com (http://tinyurl.com/dyqt86)
aka Fred Durks
aka BarbaraSc...@gmail.com
aka JamesWestfa...@gmail.com
aka kennethno...@gmail.com
aka netskril...@gmail.com
aka pa...@netskrill.com
aka paul.step...@gmail.com
http://tinyurl.com/dmzayd

> HAHAHA when u go to lifecds and respond to them for a contact, it
> links you to a porn site called "fighttofuck". this guy is an outright
> liar and scammer.
>
> noisewater, you are SCUM

Those are called outgoing links. It's for SEO, you stupid fuck.

SEO expert Paul Stephen Horner educates the rabble in alt.drugs.heroin
http://tinyurl.com/cfykzh, message ID
<e89c2142-3c00-40b5...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>

John Dorsay

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Jul 11, 2009, 10:00:36 PM7/11/09

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John Dorsay wrote:

<snip>

> I've gone through alt and soc.adoption.* on my isps feed, looking
> for known ip addresses and known posting ids used by the
> cyberstalking kook.
>
> Although there is not a lot of additional evidence, what there is
> certainly points in a consistent direction.

<snip>

I was just about to shut down my computer when I noticed that the
scan of the alt/soc.adoption.* groups found another unknown-to-me id.

<0690d0ff-1247-4026...@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
Sat, 2 May 2009 12:51:21 +0000 (UTC)
preparingf...@yahoo.com
62.141.53.224

This one, posted through a gGerman proxy also used by the insane
cyberstalking kook, has a google profile http://tinyurl.com/n8w3zt
that lists only two posts.

The subjects are "dr. ronald federici" and "ronald federici -
internationally recognized adoption therapist".

Golly, I wonder who the insane cyberstalking kook could be.

John

--

Why is the <cough>anonymous</cough> cyberstalker posting as

preparingf...@yahoo.com (http://tinyurl.com/n8w3zt)

sapphir...@gmail.com (http://tinyurl.com/mxmzs7)
sarnerpse...@yahoo.com (http://tinyurl.com/l9aqmp)
saruman...@yahoo.com (http://tinyurl.com/ncdf5t)
somati...@gmail.com (http://tinyurl.com/ll799u)

ukrainian...@yahoo.com (http://tinyurl.com/mrcglf)

Hartley Patterson

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Jul 12, 2009, 6:59:57 AM7/12/09

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restim...@gmail.com says:

> Wouldn't it be a hoot if it turns out they were colluding :)

After the CoS sold courses to the Nation of Islam and the two cults
starting saying nice things about each other I'll believe anything...

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Monica Pignotti

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Jul 12, 2009, 5:29:49 PM7/12/09

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On Jul 11, 10:00 pm, John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Dorsay wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I've gone through alt and soc.adoption.* on my isps feed, looking
> > for known ip addresses and known posting ids used by the
> > cyberstalking kook.
>
> > Although there is not a lot of additional evidence, what there is
> > certainly points in a consistent direction.
>
> <snip>
>
> I was just about to shut down my computer when I noticed that the
> scan of the alt/soc.adoption.* groups found another unknown-to-me id.
>

> <0690d0ff-1247-4026-9e31-ce215e104...@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>

> Sat, 2 May 2009 12:51:21 +0000 (UTC)

> preparingforadopt...@yahoo.com

> 62.141.53.224
>
> This one, posted through a gGerman proxy also used by the insane

> cyberstalking kook, has a google profilehttp://tinyurl.com/n8w3zt

> that lists only two posts.
>
> The subjects are "dr. ronald federici" and "ronald federici -
> internationally recognized adoption therapist".
>
> Golly, I wonder who the insane cyberstalking kook could be.
>

I wondered if this could be one of his patients doing it at his
instigation -- there's no way to know for sure, but I have to wonder.
This kook seems to be giving all the other kooks who have come onto
ARS over the years some pretty stiff competition and is actually
making some of them look pretty sane and rational, by comparison.

Monica

henri

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Jul 12, 2009, 5:56:55 PM7/12/09

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

[Adoption groups retained to warn everyone against the "services" of
the cyberstalking lunatic Ronald Federici who is clearly deranged.]

>> The subjects are "dr. ronald federici" and "ronald federici -
>> internationally recognized adoption therapist".

>> Golly, I wonder who the insane cyberstalking kook could be.

>I wondered if this could be one of his patients doing it at his
>instigation -- there's no way to know for sure, but I have to wonder.
>This kook seems to be giving all the other kooks who have come onto
>ARS over the years some pretty stiff competition and is actually
>making some of them look pretty sane and rational, by comparison.

In any case, it is no great advertisement for the dubious services of
Ronald Federici that he apparently has time to stalk people in a
lunatic fashion on Usenet all day long, or for that matter, puts other
people up to it.

I can't imagine anyone would willingly hire a demented idiot of this
sort to do anything responsible. I shudder for anyone suckered by
this insane, cyberstalking kook.

John Dorsay

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Jul 12, 2009, 8:40:57 PM7/12/09

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Monica Pignotti wrote:

> I wondered if this could be one of his patients doing it at his
> instigation -- there's no way to know for sure, but I have to wonder.
> This kook seems to be giving all the other kooks who have come onto
> ARS over the years some pretty stiff competition and is actually
> making some of them look pretty sane and rational, by comparison.

As you say, there is no way to know for sure who actually posted the
cyberstalking messages. However, there is no reasonable doubt
whatsoever about Federici's involvement. Federici knew about the
cyberstalking and Federici supported the cyberstalking. That is clear.

The only question is this: Did Federici do his own dirty work or
did he engage someone else to do it on his behalf? I don't know, I
don't care, it doesn't matter. Either way, Federici is now known,
and quite rightly, as an insane cyberstalking kook.

Monica Pignotti

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Jul 12, 2009, 9:27:26 PM7/12/09

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On Jul 12, 8:40 pm, John Dorsay <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Monica Pignotti wrote:
> > I wondered if this could be one of his patients doing it at his
> > instigation -- there's no way to know for sure, but I have to wonder.
> > This kook seems to be giving all the other kooks who have come onto
> > ARS over the years some pretty stiff competition and is actually
> > making some of them look pretty sane and rational, by comparison.
>
> As you say, there is no way to know for sure who actually posted the
> cyberstalking messages. However, there is no reasonable doubt
> whatsoever about Federici's involvement. Federici knew about the
> cyberstalking and Federici supported the cyberstalking. That is clear.
>
> The only question is this: Did Federici do his own dirty work or
> did he engage someone else to do it on his behalf? I don't know, I
> don't care, it doesn't matter. Either way, Federici is now known,
> and quite rightly, as an insane cyberstalking kook.
>
> John
>
> --
>
> Why is the <cough>anonymous</cough> cyberstalker posting as
>

>
> trying so hard to discredit Monica Pignotti and other critics of
> the abusive "treatment" called "Attachment Therapy"?
>
> Why doesn't he direct people to the American Psychological
> Association Division 37 Task Force position paper athttp://www.apa.org/divisions/div37/RADTaskForceManuscript.pdf
> instead?

Yes, what it comes down to is whether it is the cult leader that is
doing this or one of his members. The usual MO of a cult leader is to
have the members do the dirty work for him, that way if the person is
caught, that person takes the rap and the leader gets off scott free
(as has happened in Scientology) but I agree, what matters is that we
know who is behind this.

BTW, in addition to all these usenet groups he's been posting to, he's
also been taking out classified ads in various places with the same
type of spam. He's been very busy. Here's one he ran in the Village
Voice:

http://villagevoice.backpage.com/GeneralCommunity/monica_pignotti_math_doesn_t_work_/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=7774656

Monica

barbz

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Jul 13, 2009, 1:51:07 AM7/13/09

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Wait...what?
I just bought a timeshare from him! Are you telling me that was a bad
move? Cuz the brochures looked so damned good!

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