The US Does The Right Thing ...
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
Y.
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Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'Love may mean never having to say you're sorry, but hating Jews means
never having to say you were wrong'
('cba' on cifwatch.com)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
abelard
<yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>Thank you, America ..
>
><http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
every country without free and fair monitored elections
should be expelled from the un
such governments have no claim whatsoever to any sort of legitimacy
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True Blue
> Thank you, America ..
>
> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
Yet again, monomaniac spams ukpm with his obssession.
Basil Jet
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:18:27 +0000, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> <yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, America ..
>>
>> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> every country without free and fair monitored elections
> should be expelled from the un
>
> such governments have no claim whatsoever to any sort of legitimacy
The purpose of the UN is to prevent war. Since democracies never invade
each other, a UN consisting purely of democracies is pointless.
Redman
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> On 2011\02\18 23:01, abelard wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:18:27 +0000, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>> <yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, America ..
Did you expect anything else when the US Gov is infiltrated with Israeli
scum
>>>
>>> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>>
>> every country without free and fair monitored elections
>> should be expelled from the un
Then that means that just about every country around the world will be
thrown out, ffs Bush stole 2 elections by vote rigging, it's hypocrisy when
you hear these fuckwits screaming on tv for free and fair elections and
spouting shite about Democracy
Redman
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Fair...
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aaa
> Thank you, America ..
>
> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> Y.
From the article, of which you seem to hold in such esteem
British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant, speaking on behalf of Britain,
France and Germany, condemned Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
"They are illegal under international law," he said.
US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice told council members
that the veto "should not be misunderstood to mean we support
settlement activity." She added that the US view is that Israeli
settlements lack legitimacy.
So just out of curiosity, do you now accept that the settlements are
illegal under internation law?
True Blue
All he knows, is that you are now categorised as a "Nazi". It's the
only response his binary mind can formulate.
Redman
"aaa" <an...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:XVP7p.12604$si3....@newsfe11.ams2...
Of course he doesn't, don't ask Jewboy stupid questions
Redman
Planet Visitor II
The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are exactly the same as Arab
settlements in Israeli. Since your argument is that the Jews in West
Bank are there "illegally," are you saying that 20% of all Israelis are
illegally in Israel because they are Arabs?
Given your unqualified support for the removal of all Jews from what UN
Resolution 181 determined was to be "the Arab State," are you willing
to also offer your unqualified support for the removal of all Arabs from
what UN Resolution 181 determined was to be "the Jewish State"??
Answer the question. And don't hem and haw in avoiding this direct
question, which I ask "just out of curiosity." Why would you claim that
Arabs are in Israel "legally," while Jews in the West Bank are there
"illegally"?
Planet Visitor II
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
Maria
Yes...this is something that has puzzled me lately. A 100% Jewish Israel
would be referred to as racist - it is referred to as that now even
though it is not 100% Jewish. I don't get it.
Planet Visitor II
When the forces of a theocracy or a dictatorship or rule by a monarchy,
have a voice in the UN it destroys the very concept upon which the UN
was created. Democracies exist not to invade each other, but to form
an alliance protecting all democracies, and working toward all nations
fulfilling the obligations that are requirements of the UN when becoming
members. Theocracies, Dictatorships, and nations ruled by a absolute
monarchy, by definition do not fulfill the obligations that are requirements
of the UN, and thus by that very definition should not be permitted to become
members without first fully complying with those requirements. This
should be applicable regardless of member nations forming support for
those running such theocracies, dictatorships and monarchy.
Of course any rational person should realize that the UN is a mockery, and
has absolutely no enforcement power upon any member who decides that
national interests supercede UN obligations. UN members are routinely
murdered by those in power when trying to resolve nation problems.
Personally, I'd just as soon see the U.S. leave the UN as stay, because the
underbelly of the UN is so corrupt and corroded. The very, very few UN
agencies that supposedly do good work are also corrupt in the fact that they
are paid enormous sums, while living the high life in Switzerland, which has
turned them into support for pan-Europe, and decidedly anti-American.
Planet Visitor II
Well, if the shoe fits are we supposed to ignore it???
abelard
>On 19/02/2011 21:42, Planet Visitor II wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:51:51 GMT, "aaa"<an...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you, America ..
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>>> From the article, of which you seem to hold in such esteem
it's very simple...you're dealing with idiots and dhimmi appeasers...
i do also hear tell there are rather a lot of islamics in europe
Planet Visitor II
It's called "bias" in its kindly name, while we all know what it is actually
called in crisp and graphic reality.
It's the bias that calls the Arab the "eternal refugee," and calls the Jew
the "eternal thief."
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
>
> Of course any rational person should realize that the UN is a mockery, and
> has absolutely no enforcement power upon any member who decides that
> national interests supercede UN obligations.
The UN largely uses the embargo as a technique of enforcement
Prior to the 2003 Iraq was well controlled by the embargo.
What leakage occurred did not allow Iraq to rebuild its military
forc and it was no longer a danger to the reason
UN peace keeping teams do in fact keep the peace most of
the time. Right now that is occurring in southern Lebanon.
There this Isaelis will not invade Lebanon as long as
the Hezballah does not launch rockets into Israel.
For the moment, the Hezballah has sufficient political
success in Lebanon that is miitary wing it not active.
Still is is fascist in character (Israel is tainted by
fascism too) and the main feature of fascism it the use
of force for political profit, specifically terrorizing
othere foreign and domestic. The whole region is run
by gangs of criminals.
since WWII, the UN is been effective in reducing the chance
of full scale war. In a time period in which in the recnt
past, France had had three wars wtt Germany none have occurred
recently. The reluctance to war has increase Along during the1 1945-
2011 period The collapse of the USSR occurred without war.
Our non-intervention in the internal civil war in China permitted
that nation to evolve in its own way. The Korean war is still being
fought and while unresolved remains at relative peace. We wisely
let Vietman do its own thing.
Thus via the UN an international culture of peach and not war has
come to dominate.
So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to take
a broader more accurate view.
Ariadne
>
> So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to take
> a broader more accurate view.
Such an product is certainly not coming from you!
Is Colonel Gaddafi one of your heroes?
Hotblack Desiato
news:ard0m6d863s7edg9f...@4ax.com...
Well, hang on a second.. Here you are making demands on how the answer is to
be given, when you've clearly made no attempt to address the question posed
by the previous poster .. I mean, how does that warrant anything other than
two handfuls of fuck off?
Ariadne
wrote:
> "Planet Visitor II" wrote in messagenews:ard0m6d863s7edg9f...@4ax.com...
It should be said to people who claim
without foundation that Israeli settles
the Territories illegally.
Perhaps you think that a US view _is_ law
_and_ Holy Writ.
Hotblack Desiato
news:28f79d6f-fe2c-4547...@d19g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 20, 2:52 pm, "Hotblack Desiato" <trash855-killf...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>>
Nicely done .. but the implication of your point is that this is just a US
view, which it clearly isn't. It feels to me that the US is reluctantly
conceding this point, rather than face the embarrassment of having some
'insignificant' dickwater nation point out the fallacy of adopting any other
position. Given the pro-Israel stance of the US in just about every
situation, this should give pause for thought
Ariadne
No. That was the infant's point.
> which it clearly isn't. It feels to me
A great guide to international law!
> that the US is reluctantly
> conceding this point, rather than face the embarrassment of having some
> 'insignificant' dickwater nation point out the fallacy of adopting any other
> position. Given the pro-Israel stance of the US in just about every
> situation, this should give pause for thought
http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-16.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/23/israelandthepalestinians
http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel16.htm
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/04/09/the-twisted-road-map-to-disaster-louis-rene-beres/
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-illegal-settlements-myth/
http://www.acsisrael.org/042.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf22a.html
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=10&x_article=1331
http://emetnews.org/analysis/israeli_settlements_are_more_than_legitimate.php
http://www.think-israel.org/auerbach.settlementsillegal.html
Hotblack Desiato
news:1319cb2d-94b0-47a4...@w21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Ariadne, I'm not going to sit here for hours reading through this shit to
try and determine what your point may be. Up front and in the 'room' please
Ariadne
wrote:
> Ariadne, I'm not going to sit here for hours reading through this shit to
> try and determine what your point may be. Up front and in the 'room' please
This shit? The facts of Israel's rights?
http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-16.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/23/israelandthepalestinians
http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel16.htm
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/04/09/the-twisted-road-map-to-disaster-louis-rene-beres/
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-illegal-settlements-myth/
http://www.acsisrael.org/042.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf22a.html
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=10&x_article=1331
http://emetnews.org/analysis/israeli_settlements_are_more_than_legitimate.php
http://www.think-israel.org/auerbach.settlementsillegal.html
http://www.likud.nl/govern87.html
http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/settlements.asp
Try the CAMERA one. It is most comprehensive.
aaa
Your question is very silly, and shows you do not understand the
situation.
There are Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
There are no West Bank settlements inside Israel proper.
If there were West Bank settlements inside Israel proper, then these
would be illegal as well.
My two cents
Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
territory?
My two cents
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:02:03 -0800 (PST), True Blue <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 19, 1:51 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> > Thank you, America ..
>
> >> > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> >> > Y.
>
> >> From the article, of which you seem to hold in such esteem
>
> >> British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant, speaking on behalf of Britain,
> >> France and Germany, condemned Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
> >> "They are illegal under international law," he said.
>
> >> US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice told council members
> >> that the veto "should not be misunderstood to mean we support
> >> settlement activity." She added that the US view is that Israeli
> >> settlements lack legitimacy.
>
> >> So just out of curiosity, do you now accept that the settlements are
> >> illegal under internation law?
>
> >All he knows, is that you are now categorised as a "Nazi". It's the
> >only response his binary mind can formulate.
>
> Well, if the shoe fits are we supposed to ignore it???
Yitzhak abuses the term. He doesn't use it only when the shoe fits.
>
> Planet Visitor IIhttp://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
My two cents
Isn't any state that treats people differently based on race, racist?
aaa
> On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > Thank you, America ..
> >
> > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
> territory?
Who can truly know how these people think?
But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to the
concept of "Lebensraum".
If you want to know more, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
aaa
In Israel, Jews are forbidden to marry non-Jews.
Immigration rules are different depending on whether you are Jewish or
not.
Israel is founded on the concept of a homeland for the Jewish people.
If Britain was to openly state Britian is for the white indiginous
population, well you are clearly into BNP terrority.
Israel is like a version of the UK where the BNP are in charge.
aaa
Do you support the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel?
JohnR
deutschmark uber alles, heinkels and messerschmitts into it.
Ariadne
My two cents
It does seem to be about stealing territory...
Ariadne
"Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
Come and join the Nazi Party!"
The Ottoman empire lost WWI. Haven't
you heard?
I suppose you aren't aware that Saladin
was a Kurd. Not an Arab.
Perhaps you wouldn't mind buying a property
and then handing it over to an employee of its
former owner on demand?
That is what Arabs expect and it's a common
attempt at theft condoned by the West.
aaa
> On Feb 20, 11:10 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My two cents wrote:
> > > > On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Thank you, America ..
> >
> > > > > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
> >
> > > > Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in
> > > > Palestinian territory?
> >
> > > Who can truly know how these people think?
> >
> > > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to
> > > the concept of "Lebensraum".
> >
> > > If you want to know more,
> > > seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
> >
> > It does seem to be about stealing territory...
>
> "Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
> Come and join the Nazi Party!"
No thanks, I will leave the zio-nazism to you.
My two cents
> On Feb 20, 11:10 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > My two cents wrote:
> > > > On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > > > > Thank you, America ..
>
> > > > > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> > > > Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
> > > > territory?
>
> > > Who can truly know how these people think?
>
> > > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to the
> > > concept of "Lebensraum".
>
> > > If you want to know more, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
>
> > It does seem to be about stealing territory...
>
> "Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
> Come and join the Nazi Party!"
>
> The Ottoman empire lost WWI. Haven't
> you heard?
Of course I knew that. I should care why?
>
> I suppose you aren't aware that Saladin
> was a Kurd. Not an Arab.
You are correct. I should care why?
> Perhaps you wouldn't mind buying a property
> and then handing it over to an employee of its
> former owner on demand?
Of course I would but I why would I buy land in an occupied territory
in defiance of 'international law'?
> That is what Arabs expect and it's a common
> attempt at theft condoned by the West.
And you are changing the subject...
Ariadne
You have become idiotic.
The Ottoman empire lost the land.
That means it was _not_ occupied.
Just as Judea, Samaria and Gaza are _not_ occupied
now. Except by Arabs.
I see that even Planet Visitor can teach you nothing.
My two cents
You should recognise that the Palestinians have the same right to
statehood that the Israelis have.
Planet Visitor II
Since when is a question a DEMAND? I've addressed it quite clearly. If anyone
considers the Jews that are in the West Bank to be there "illegally," it makes
absolutely perfect sense to consider the Arabs that are in Israel to be there
"Illegally." But the point is that the extreme left almost break down sobbing like
their mother died, when thinking about the _poor Arab "eternal refugees"_ while
not one out a hundred of those Arabs have ever set foot in a land they consider
themselves to be "refugees" from. And the thought of even a single Jew"violating
this precious land given to the Arabs by Allah," makes those leftist whiners
physically ill, raving hysterically about "illegality," which is a bobble-head substitute
for anti-Semitism.
While the thought of even a single Arab now living as an Israeli in Israel being
removed from that Jewish state for the very same reason those leftists demand
every Jew must leave the West Bank, causes those same leftists to scream
bloody-murder, calling the Jews every slimy and greasy insult they can dream up.
<s> While demanding the UN nuke Israel preemptively </s>.
I don't give a fiddler's fuck if "aaa" refuses to address the question, since the eye of
the beholder can quickly see that he has set up two separate rules... one for the
Jews in the Arab State, which he calls "illegal," and another for the Arabs in the
Jewish State, which I presume he considers "legal," until he respond otherwise.
Because in just asking the question... I've made my point.
Just out of curiosity --
1) Do you consider the Jewish settlements in the West Bank to be "illegal"?
2) Do you consider the Arab settlements in Israel to be "illegal"?
How about YOU making an "attempt to address the question posed by the previous
poster [namely, ME]"???
Or are you afraid that it might expose more than you wish to expose?
Planet Visitor II
>On 19/02/11 23:25, in article kef0m6l9i45ucko3m...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course any rational person should realize that the UN is a mockery, and
>> has absolutely no enforcement power upon any member who decides that
>> national interests supercede UN obligations.
>
>The UN largely uses the embargo as a technique of enforcement
<sarcasm>
It's certainly worked in Somalia and Iran... hasn't it?
</sarcasm>
In other words the UN has no enforcement power. Just as I pointed out.
Planet Visitor II
TRANSLATION: "You really have me by the short hairs, PV. I'll just
have to claim your question is silly, to avoid answering what is obviously
a very logical question."
>There are Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
>There are no West Bank settlements inside Israel proper.
There are ARABS in what is A JEWISH STATE! Try to wrap your mind around
that.
>If there were West Bank settlements inside Israel proper, then these
>would be illegal as well.
There are ARAB settlements inside Israel proper. What about those 20%
of Israelis who are ARAB in what has been determined to be a JEWISH
STATE? Of course it is not possible for a West Bank settlement to be
in Israel proper, because of geographic considerations. No one can pick
up a part of the West Bank and move it physically to Israel. Nor can anyone
pick up a part of Israel and move it physically to the West Bank. Using your
argument there are no Israel settlements in the West Bank, because Israel
is not in the West Bank.
It's the PEOPLE that you object to... the JEWS... but you hope to exclude the
other PEOPLE... the ARABS... who have settlements in THE JEWISH STATE
of Israel.
But I knew you couldn't really face this issue. It doesn't serve your anti-Semitic
purpose to recognize that because the Jews have settlements in the West Bank
that you consider "illegal," that one must then also consider the Arabs who
have settlements in Israel to be there "illegally."
So WHY do you contend that Jewish settlements in the West Bank are "illegal"?
Obviously it relates to the PEOPLE forming those settlements. They are
Israeli and Jewish, thus that is the reason you consider them to be "illegal."
Well, the same would apply to the PEOPLE forming settlements in THE JEWISH
STATE of Israel. Arabs forming settlements in Israel would also be considered
"illegal." While I'll tell you that the Arabs in the JEWISH STATE are treated
far more fairly, and given more benefits from the JEWISH STATE, than any
Jew in the West Bank is provided by Arabs living in the West Bank. Yet what
is constantly heard from extreme leftist whiners is how unfair the Jews are to
the Arabs living in THE JEWISH STATE of Israel.
Planet Visitor II
ROTFLMAO... "Lebensraum" See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Israel.jpg
How about a fair trade? Israel will remove all Jewish settlements from the
West Bank in return for the West Bank accepting all Arabs living in Israel.
They can even call themselves "refugees," if they wish.
Planet Visitor II
>Israel is founded on the concept of a homeland for the Jewish people.
Quite true, so why are 20% of all Israelis Arabs? How come the West Bank
doesn't allow 20% of all its residents to be Jewish? Since it's supposedly
part of the ARAB STATE. It must be RACISM!! Looks like YOU support
RACISM, "aaa."
Planet Visitor II
So it's the Arabs who are racist in your view??? Or do you claim the Arabs
treat the Jews just like they treat their fellow Arabs?? This should be
interesting.
Planet Visitor II
JohnR
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@nosuchserver.com> wrote in message
news:63m3m65fov53fjcmb...@4ax.com...
psychosis and myth telling has been exposed in the information age. The
arabs that remain in israel are a tiny fraction of those ethnically cleansed
during the british mandate and jewish terror campaign to establish a jewish
home on their land. Hundreds of arab villages and their communities have
been wiped of the map in what is currently the construct state of zionist
israel.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
No one has an automatic 'right to statehood', especially on land owned by
others. Israel is Jewish land, has always been Jewish land, and always
will be Jewish land. Our right to statehood came from our ownership of
this land for the past ~ 4,000 years.
Israel is not obliged to give up land to a group of people who from any
point of view you care to mention (religious, historical, legal..) have
never had a legitimate claim to the land.
But of course, we all know it's not about the 'Palestinians' (sic). It has
never _been_ about the 'Palestinians' (sic). It is about hating Jews. Why
don't you all don't just admit it? Why continue this pretence of being
'concerned' about the 'Palestinians' (sic) when the world and his wife know
that you couldn't really give a flying fuck what happens to them?
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'The power to tax, once conceded, has no limits. It contains until it
destroys'
(Robert Heinlein (1907 - 1988))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Seek help.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'In Jewish history, there are no coincidences'
(Elie Wiesel (1928 - ))
<http://is.gd/Rqth>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> There are Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
There are no 'settlements'. There is no legal entity known as 'the West
Bank'.
You are a Nazi who deserves to be shot.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
Kaiser: 'Can you prove the existence of God?'
Bismarck: 'The Jews, Your Majesty. The Jews'
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Ariadne
>
> - Show quoted text -
Really? Arabs - not "Palestinians" who
have as much validity as Tooth Fairies -
have been turning down a state for almost
eighty years.
So what "right" ought to be exercised in
order to give them what they refuse?
Would annihilation of the Jews suffice?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Yes...this is something that has puzzled me lately. A 100% Jewish Israel
> would be referred to as racist - it is referred to as that now even
> though it is not 100% Jewish. I don't get it.
It's really quite simple ..
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'As long as power remains privately concentrated, everybody,
_everybody_ has to be committed to one overriding goal, and that's to
make sure the rich folk are happy. Because unless they are, nobody
else is going to get anything'
(Noam Chomsky (1928 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
There was no such 'terrorist bombing'. Now go and die, Nazi.
Slowly.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Make the Entire System Bow Down to Allah...'
(Abu Mounisa (<http://is.gd/k0A13>))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Thank you, America ..
>>
>> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
> Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
> territory?
There is no such thing as '"Palestinian" [sic] territory'.
To quote from one of the links posted by Ariadne..
'Though routinely referred to nowadays as ???Palestinian??? land, at no
point in history has Jerusalem or the West Bank been under Palestinian
Arab sovereignty in any sense of the term..'
<http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-illegal-settlements-myth/>
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'The nation is not an entity, it's divided into economic classes,
and the architects of policy are those who have the economic power'
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> If you want to know more, see http://www.stormfront.org
Typo corrected.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'It's time for the human race to enter the solar system'
(Dan Quayle (1947 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 20, 11:15 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 20, 11:10 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > My two cents wrote:
>> > > > On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> > > > > Thank you, America ..
>>
>> > > > > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>>
>> > > > Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
>> > > > territory?
>>
>> > > Who can truly know how these people think?
>>
>> > > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to the
>> > > concept of "Lebensraum".
>>
>> > > If you want to know more, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
>>
>> > It does seem to be about stealing territory...
>>
>> "Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
>> Come and join the Nazi Party!"
>>
>> The Ottoman empire lost WWI. Haven't
>> you heard?
>
> Of course I knew that. I should care why?
You should 'care' because it means that what you refer to as 'occupied
territory' was in fact _unoccupied_ when Israel assumed control.
>> Perhaps you wouldn't mind buying a property
>> and then handing it over to an employee of its
>> former owner on demand?
> Of course I would but I why would I buy land in an occupied territory
> in defiance of 'international law'?
Please name this 'international law'...
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully'
(George W. Bush)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
aaa
> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Ariadne wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 20, 8:45 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to take
> >> > a broader more accurate view.
> >>
> >> Such an product is certainly not coming from you!
> >>
> >> Is Colonel Gaddafi one of your heroes?
> >
> > Do you support the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel?
>
> There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
Liar!!
aaa
There is nothing stopping Jews living in the West Bank under PA
jurisdiction.
>Since it's
> supposedly part of the ARAB STATE.
Which one?
> It must be RACISM!! Looks like
> YOU support RACISM, "aaa."
You are getting confused again
aaa
Why not allow everyone to continue to live where they are, but with
those living in the West Bank being under PA jurisdiction and those in
Israel being under Israeli jurisdiction?
JohnR
"Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein" <yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:tpja38-...@yahoo.co.il...
This poisonous relationship zionist fanatics have with anti-semetism, a
fuel, a powerful narcotic that feeds, that justifies. Anyone and everyone
who questions and confronts what your religion is doing - what israel is
doing - is an anti-semite - a nazi. The more crimes israel commits, the more
its confronted, the more intoxicated zionist fanatics get.
"Zionism is a base materialistic sickness"
Rabbi Weiss
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Why should Judea & Samaria be under Fakestinian jurisdiction? On what
legal basis do you make that suggestion?
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid
individuals in circulation'
(Carlo M. Cipolla (1922 - 2000))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
No, you dozy, Nazi heifer. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'No matter how good she looks, some other guy is sick and tired of
putting up with her shit'
(Anon)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
My two cents
From some accounts I have read or heard, Arab culture is racist.
> Or do you claim the Arabs
> treat the Jews just like they treat their fellow Arabs??
If they treat them differently based on race then it's racist. If they
treat them differently based on religion, that's not racist. NB that
doesn't mean it is therefore OK.
My two cents
>
> >> > My two cents wrote:
>
> >> >> On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr>
> >> wrote: >> > Thank you, America ..
>
> >> >> > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> >> >> Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in
> >> Palestinian >> territory?
>
> >> > Who can truly know how these people think?
>
> >> > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to
> >> > the concept of "Lebensraum".
>
> >> > If you want to know more, see
> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
>
> >> ROTFLMAO... "Lebensraum" See --
> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Israel.jpg
>
> >> How about a fair trade? Israel will remove all Jewish settlements
> >> from the West Bank in return for the West Bank accepting all Arabs
> >> living in Israel. They can even call themselves "refugees," if they
> >> wish.
>
> > Why not allow everyone to continue to live where they are, but with
> > those living in the West Bank being under PA jurisdiction and those in
> > Israel being under Israeli jurisdiction?
>
> Why should Judea & Samaria be under Fakestinian jurisdiction?
Because most of the people who live there are Palestinian and it has
been that way for centuries?
> On what
> legal basis do you make that suggestion?
Who said anything about a legal basis? On what moral basis do you deny
the Palestinian Arabs the right to statehood?
My two cents
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 11:15 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 20, 11:10 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > My two cents wrote:
> >> > > > On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> > > > > Thank you, America ..
>
> >> > > > > <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
>
> >> > > > Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements in Palestinian
> >> > > > territory?
>
> >> > > Who can truly know how these people think?
>
> >> > > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar reasons to the
> >> > > concept of "Lebensraum".
>
> >> > > If you want to know more, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
>
> >> > It does seem to be about stealing territory...
>
> >> "Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
> >> Come and join the Nazi Party!"
>
> >> The Ottoman empire lost WWI. Haven't
> >> you heard?
>
> > Of course I knew that. I should care why?
>
> You should 'care' because it means that what you refer to as 'occupied
> territory' was in fact _unoccupied_ when Israel assumed control.
It wasn't uninhabitated. Too my mind that is a more significant fact.
> >> Perhaps you wouldn't mind buying a property
> >> and then handing it over to an employee of its
> >> former owner on demand?
> > Of course I would but I why would I buy land in an occupied territory
> > in defiance of 'international law'?
>
> Please name this 'international law'...
I can't. I suspect you can and are being obtuse....
My two cents
I blame both Palestinian intransigence and Israeli intransigence for
continuing the conflict.
> So what "right" ought to be exercised in
> order to give them what they refuse?
>
> Would annihilation of the Jews suffice?
What's wrong with 1967 borders?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
There is no such people.
> intransigence and Israeli intransigence for continuing the conflict.
No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the aggressor
and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to blaming the victim
for the violence done against him.
>> So what "right" ought to be exercised in
>> order to give them what they refuse?
>>
>> Would annihilation of the Jews suffice?
>
> What's wrong with 1967 borders?
They have no validity whatsoever.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'You don't know a woman until you've met her in court'
(Norman Mailer (1923 - 2007))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> This poisonous relationship zionist fanatics have with anti-semetism, a
> fuel, a powerful narcotic that feeds, that justifies. Anyone and everyone
> who questions and confronts what your religion is doing - what israel is
> doing - is an anti-semite - a nazi. The more crimes israel commits, the
> more its confronted, the more intoxicated zionist fanatics get.
Comedy gold.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'As the most powerful state, the US makes its own laws, using
force and conducting economic warfare at will'
Ariadne
> > > > You have become idiotic.
>
> > > > The Ottoman empire lost the land.
>
> > > > That means it was _not_ occupied.
>
> > > > Just as Judea, Samaria and Gaza are _not_ occupied
> > > > now. Except by Arabs.
>
> > > > I see that even Planet Visitor can teach you nothing.
>
> > > You should recognise that the Palestinians have the same right to
> > > statehood that the Israelis have.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Really? Arabs - not "Palestinians" who
> > have as much validity as Tooth Fairies -
> > have been turning down a state for almost
> > eighty years.
>
> I blame both Palestinian intransigence and Israeli intransigence for
> continuing the conflict.
You aren't getting very far on immoral equivalence,
>
> > So what "right" ought to be exercised in
> > order to give them what they refuse?
>
> > Would annihilation of the Jews suffice?
>
> What's wrong with 1967 borders?
The Auschwitz "Borders".
Armistice lines are not borders.
It looks as if the annhilation of the Jews would
suffice.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
>> In uk.politics.misc aaa <a...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > Why not allow everyone to continue to live where they are, but with
>> > those living in the West Bank being under PA jurisdiction and those in
>> > Israel being under Israeli jurisdiction?
>> Why should Judea & Samaria be under Fakestinian jurisdiction?
> Because most of the people who live there are Palestinian
There is no such people as 'Palestinian'.
> and it has been that way for centuries?
ROFL!!
<http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132671>
>> On what legal basis do you make that suggestion?
> Who said anything about a legal basis? On what moral basis do you deny
> the Palestinian Arabs the right to statehood?
Strictly speaking, I don't. They're just not going to get away with
stealing Jewish land.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'Cogito, ergo sum'
(Descartes (1596 - 1650))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
My two cents
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 22, 1:42 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <a...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Why not allow everyone to continue to live where they are, but with
> >> > those living in the West Bank being under PA jurisdiction and those in
> >> > Israel being under Israeli jurisdiction?
> >> Why should Judea & Samaria be under Fakestinian jurisdiction?
> > Because most of the people who live there are Palestinian
>
> There is no such people as 'Palestinian'.
>
> > and it has been that way for centuries?
>
> ROFL!!
>
> <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132671>
>
> >> On what legal basis do you make that suggestion?
> > Who said anything about a legal basis? On what moral basis do you deny
> > the Palestinian Arabs the right to statehood?
>
> Strictly speaking, I don't. They're just not going to get away with
> stealing Jewish land.
On what basis are Gaza and West Bank, Jewish land? Because the Torah
says so?
JohnR
"My two cents" <mytwo...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:15db2c16-d5bf-4462...@k18g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 22, 7:24 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 22, 1:42 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <a...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Why not allow everyone to continue to live where they are, but with
> >> > those living in the West Bank being under PA jurisdiction and those
> >> > in
> >> > Israel being under Israeli jurisdiction?
> >> Why should Judea & Samaria be under Fakestinian jurisdiction?
> > Because most of the people who live there are Palestinian
>
> There is no such people as 'Palestinian'.
>
> > and it has been that way for centuries?
>
> ROFL!!
>
> <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132671>
>
> >> On what legal basis do you make that suggestion?
> > Who said anything about a legal basis? On what moral basis do you deny
> > the Palestinian Arabs the right to statehood?
>
> Strictly speaking, I don't. They're just not going to get away with
> stealing Jewish land.
On what basis are Gaza and West Bank, Jewish land? Because the Torah
says so?
>
>
>
The torah says no such thing.
The cult of zionism is nothing more than an aberration - the worship of a
false state it constructed - of military power and of money - perpetuating
jewish suffering - as a lever to purchase financial and political capital.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> The cult of zionism is nothing more than an aberration - the worship of a
> false state it constructed - of military power and of money -
> perpetuating jewish suffering - as a lever to purchase financial and
> political capital.
LMAO!
You fruitcake.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'What you are, you are by accident of birth. What I am, I am by
myself. There are and will be a thousand princes. There is only one
Beethoven'
(Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827))
<http://www.palwatch.org/>
aaa
> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >
> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Ariadne wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Feb 20, 8:45 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to take
> >> >> > a broader more accurate view.
> >> >>
> >> >> Such an product is certainly not coming from you!
> >> >>
> >> >> Is Colonel Gaddafi one of your heroes?
> >> >
> >> > Do you support the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel?
> >>
> >> There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
> >
> > Liar!!
>
> No, you dozy, Nazi heifer. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
Liar!!
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
No, my little Nazi plaything. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones'
(Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
aaa
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:33:11 GMT, "aaa" <an...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Planet Visitor II wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:51:51 GMT, "aaa" <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thank you, America ..
> >> >>
> >> >> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
> >> >>
> > Your question is very silly, and shows you do not understand the
> > situation.
>
> TRANSLATION: "You really have me by the short hairs, PV. I'll just
> have to claim your question is silly, to avoid answering what is
> obviously a very logical question."
Your question is based on a lie
> > There are Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
> > There are no West Bank settlements inside Israel proper.
>
> There are ARABS in what is A JEWISH STATE! Try to wrap your mind
> around that.
>
> > If there were West Bank settlements inside Israel proper, then these
> > would be illegal as well.
>
> There are ARAB settlements inside Israel proper. What about those 20%
> of Israelis who are ARAB in what has been determined to be a JEWISH
> STATE? Of course it is not possible for a West Bank settlement to
> be in Israel proper, because of geographic considerations.
> No one
> can pick up a part of the West Bank and move it physically to Israel.
Arabs living in Israel are living in places in which Israel has
sovereignty. They are not Arab settlements in the same meaning as the
Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
> Nor can anyone pick up a part of Israel and move it physically to the
> West Bank. Using your argument there are no Israel settlements in the
> West Bank, because Israel is not in the West Bank.
Your statement above is untrue, as that is exactly what Israel has
done. It is this which makes the settlements illegal under the 4th
Geneva convention.
The Jewish settlements in the West Bank are under Israeli sovereignty,
but Arabs living in Israel are not under the sovereingty of the PA.
> It's the PEOPLE that you object to... the JEWS... but you hope to
> exclude the other PEOPLE... the ARABS... who have settlements in THE
> JEWISH STATE of Israel.
>
> But I knew you couldn't really face this issue. It doesn't serve
> your anti-Semitic purpose to recognize that because the Jews have
> settlements in the West Bank that you consider "illegal," that one
> must then also consider the Arabs who have settlements in Israel to
> be there "illegally."
Wooosh, you really have missed the point.
> So WHY do you contend that Jewish settlements in the West Bank are
> "illegal"?
For the same reason that both the United States and UK ambassadors to
the UN do. They are illegal under the 4th Geneva convention.
> Obviously it relates to the PEOPLE forming those
> settlements.
No it does not. Again you are missing the point.
I am happy for Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, Jews, Pagans, and any
other colour and creed of people to live in the West Bank if they wish
to.
> They are Israeli and Jewish, thus that is the reason
> you consider them to be "illegal."
No, it is a question of legal sovereignty.
> Well, the same would apply to the
> PEOPLE forming settlements in THE JEWISH STATE of Israel. Arabs
> forming settlements in Israel would also be considered "illegal."
If Arabs formed settlements in Israel by force, which were under the
sovereignty of a foreign power, backed up by the military forces of
that foreign power, then yes they would likewise be illegal under the
4th Geneva convention.
> While I'll tell you that the Arabs in the JEWISH STATE are treated
> far more fairly, and given more benefits from the JEWISH STATE, than
> any Jew in the West Bank is provided by Arabs living in the West
> Bank. Yet what is constantly heard from extreme leftist whiners is
> how unfair the Jews are to the Arabs living in THE JEWISH STATE of
> Israel.
Another lie. Many non Jewish villages are subject to demolition,
denial of basic services like Electricity etc.
My two cents
Why do you call them that?
>
> Armistice lines are not borders.
>
> It looks as if the annhilation of the Jews would
> suffice.
You are doing the same thing you often accuse me of - creating straw
men. I don't want the destruction of Israel and I certainly don't want
the annihilation of the Jews.
aaa
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:52:09 -0000, "Hotblack Desiato"
> <trash855...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Planet Visitor II" wrote in message
> > news:ard0m6d863s7edg9f...@4ax.com...
> > Well, hang on a second.. Here you are making demands on how the
> > answer is to be given, when you've clearly made no attempt to
> > address the question posed by the previous poster .. I mean, how
> > does that warrant anything other than two handfuls of fuck off?
>
> Since when is a question a DEMAND? I've addressed it quite clearly.
> If anyone considers the Jews that are in the West Bank to be there
> "illegally," it makes absolutely perfect sense to consider the Arabs
> that are in Israel to be there "Illegally." But the point is that
> the extreme left almost break down sobbing like their mother died,
> when thinking about the _poor Arab "eternal refugees"_ while not one
> out a hundred of those Arabs have ever set foot in a land they
> consider themselves to be "refugees" from. And the thought of even a
> single Jew"violating this precious land given to the Arabs by Allah,"
> makes those leftist whiners physically ill, raving hysterically about
> "illegality," which is a bobble-head substitute for anti-Semitism.
>
> While the thought of even a single Arab now living as an Israeli in
> Israel being removed from that Jewish state for the very same reason
> those leftists demand every Jew must leave the West Bank, causes
> those same leftists to scream bloody-murder, calling the Jews every
> slimy and greasy insult they can dream up. <s> While demanding the
> UN nuke Israel preemptively </s>.
>
> I don't give a fiddler's fuck if "aaa" refuses to address the
> question, since the eye of the beholder can quickly see that he has
> set up two separate rules... one for the Jews in the Arab State,
> which he calls "illegal," and another for the Arabs in the Jewish
> State, which I presume he considers "legal," until he respond
> otherwise. Because in just asking the question... I've made my point.
>
> Just out of curiosity --
>
> 1) Do you consider the Jewish settlements in the West Bank to be
> "illegal"?
Yes - violates 4th Geneva convention
Although these settlements are geographically within the West Bank,
they are under Israeli sovereignty, by the direct use of force of the
Israeli military. Non-Jews are not allowed inside the settlements.
> 2) Do you consider the Arab settlements in Israel to be "illegal"?
No - they do not violate the 4th Geneva convention, as these Arabs are
living under Israeli sovereignty.
If the military forces of the PA invaded Israel, and against the wishes
of the Israeli people enforced PA sovereignty on these settlements,
then yes they would likewise be illegal.
> How about YOU making an "attempt to address the question posed by the
> previous poster [namely, ME]"???
>
> Or are you afraid that it might expose more than you wish to expose?
The only thing being exposed is your ignorance.
aaa
> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >
> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Ariadne wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 8:45 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to
> take >> >> >> > a broader more accurate view.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Such an product is certainly not coming from you!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is Colonel Gaddafi one of your heroes?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you support the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel?
> >> >>
> >> >> There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
> >> >
> >> > Liar!!
> >>
> >> No, you dozy, Nazi heifer. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
> >
> > Liar!!
>
> No, my little Nazi plaything. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
Liar!!
Denial of the King David hotel bombing just makes you look like a
cretin.
As I am not a Nazi, so you will have to look elsewhere for a fellow
play mate. Perhaps Ariadne can help you out, you could exchange some
recipees.
aaa
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwo...@live.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On Feb 20, 11:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 20, 11:32 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >> > On Feb 20, 11:15 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> >> > > On Feb 20, 11:10 pm, My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >
> >> > > > On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, "aaa" <a...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> >> > > > > My two cents wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Feb 18, 10:18 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> > > > > > > Thank you, America ..
> > >
> >> > > > > > >
> <http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4030639,00.html>
> > >
> >> > > > > > Why is it necessary to keep building Jewish settlements
> in Palestinian >> > > > > > territory?
> > >
> >> > > > > Who can truly know how these people think?
> > >
> >> > > > > But at a guess, I would assume it would be for similar
> reasons to the >> > > > > concept of "Lebensraum".
> > >
> >> > > > > If you want to know more,
> seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
> > >
> >> > > > It does seem to be about stealing territory...
> > >
> >> > > "Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
> >> > > Come and join the Nazi Party!"
> > >
> >> > > The Ottoman empire lost WWI. Haven't
> >> > > you heard?
> > >
> >> > Of course I knew that. I should care why?
> > >
> >> > > I suppose you aren't aware that Saladin
> >> > > was a Kurd. Not an Arab.
> > >
> >> > You are correct. I should care why?
> > >
> >> > > Perhaps you wouldn't mind buying a property
> >> > > and then handing it over to an employee of its
> >> > > former owner on demand?
> > >
> >> > Of course I would but I why would I buy land in an occupied
> territory >> > in defiance of 'international law'?
> > >
> >> > > That is what Arabs expect and it's a common
> >> > > attempt at theft condoned by the West.
> > >
> >> > And you are changing the subject...
> > >
> >> You have become idiotic.
> > >
> >> The Ottoman empire lost the land.
> > >
> >> That means it was not occupied.
> > >
> >> Just as Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not occupied
> >> now. Except by Arabs.
> > >
> >> I see that even Planet Visitor can teach you nothing.
> >
> > You should recognise that the Palestinians have the same right to
> > statehood that the Israelis have.
>
> No one has an automatic 'right to statehood', especially on land
> owned by others. Israel is Jewish land, has always been Jewish land,
> and always will be Jewish land. Our right to statehood came from our
> ownership of this land for the past ~ 4,000 years.
> Israel is not obliged to give up land to a group of people who from
> any point of view you care to mention (religious, historical,
> legal..) have never had a legitimate claim to the land.
So Israel could become composed of Israel proper, the West Bank and the
Gaza strip, with equal and democratic voting rights to all inhabitants.
But I suspect that your racism means that you do not want to see that?
> But of course, we all know it's not about the 'Palestinians' (sic).
> It has never been about the 'Palestinians' (sic). It is about hating
> Jews. Why don't you all don't just admit it? Why continue this
> pretence of being 'concerned' about the 'Palestinians' (sic) when the
> world and his wife know that you couldn't really give a flying fuck
> what happens to them?
Unlike you, many on here are not socialpaths, devoid of humanity and
compassion. So although it may be beyond your capacity to understand,
you will just have to accept that other people care about others and
have something called empathy.
My two cents
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 5:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Really? Arabs - not "Palestinians" who have as much validity as Tooth
> >> Fairies - have been turning down a state for almost eighty years.
> > I blame both Palestinian
>
> There is no such people.
>
> > intransigence and Israeli intransigence for continuing the conflict.
>
> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the aggressor
> and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to blaming the victim
> for the violence done against him.
Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
aaa
> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > If you want to know more, see http://www.stormfront.org
>
> Typo corrected.
Is this Stormfront thing that you found and Israel linked in some way?
John Rennie
snip
>>
>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the aggressor
>> and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to blaming the victim
>> for the violence done against him.
>
> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
>> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> >
>> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In uk.politics.misc aaa <an...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Ariadne wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 8:45 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So; PV your analysis is much too American and you need to
>> take >> >> >> > a broader more accurate view.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Such an product is certainly not coming from you!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is Colonel Gaddafi one of your heroes?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Do you support the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Liar!!
>> >>
>> >> No, you dozy, Nazi heifer. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
>> >
>> > Liar!!
>>
>> No, my little Nazi plaything. There was no such 'terrorist bombing'.
>
> Liar!!
>
> Denial of the King David hotel bombing just makes you look like a
> cretin.
> As I am not a Nazi, so you will have to look elsewhere for a fellow
> play mate. Perhaps Ariadne can help you out, you could exchange some
> recipees.
plaything != playmate
Happy to have cleared things up for you, Nazi swine.
Y.
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'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'Many of the Europeans who want Israel to go away don't even know why
they do. Nearly a third of those interviewed conceded that they have
no idea what the Israeli - Arab conflict is all about. It's enough to
know that Israelis are Jews'
(Suzanne Fields)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
<http://www.palwatch.org/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Israel should not exist'
<http://is.gd/YQ96>
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death'
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Frankly, the jury is out on that one. You're either more moderate than the
'real Nazis' like 'aaa', 'JohnR', 'Dirk Bruere' etc. Or you're just toning
down your rhetoric to make it appear as if you were.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
My two cents
> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> > On 22/02/2011 23:02, My two cents wrote:
> > snip
> >>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
> >>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the
> >>> aggressor and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to
> >>> blaming the victim for the violence done against him.
> >> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
> > And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
>
> 'Israel should not exist'
> <http://is.gd/YQ96>
That post you link clearly shows John to have a reasonable and
pragmatic position viz:
"However Israel DOES exist and because
she exists I support her existence but I do not support the Zionists
(who do
not represent all of the Israelis) who are determined to destroy any
chance
of a Palestinian state."
My two cents
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 22, 6:42 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It looks as if the annhilation of the Jews would suffice.
> > You are doing the same thing you often accuse me of - creating straw men.
> > I don't want the destruction of Israel and I certainly don't want the
> > annihilation of the Jews.
>
> Frankly, the jury is out on that one. You're either more moderate than the
> 'real Nazis' like 'aaa', 'JohnR', 'Dirk Bruere' etc. Or you're just toning
> down your rhetoric to make it appear as if you were.
From what I've read by those people so far I don't mind if you
consider me as one of them. Just please don't associate me with
Ishvara, John Bennett, Glenn R or Love Europe Hate the EU. OK?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 23, 6:00 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On 22/02/2011 23:02, My two cents wrote:
>> > snip
>> >>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
>> >>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the
>> >>> aggressor and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to
>> >>> blaming the victim for the violence done against him.
>> >> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
>> > And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
>>
>> 'Israel should not exist'
>> <http://is.gd/YQ96>
>
> That post you link clearly shows John to have a reasonable and
> pragmatic position viz:
_classic_, textbook anti-Semitism.
> "However Israel DOES exist and because
> she exists I support her existence but I do not support the Zionists
> (who do
> not represent all of the Israelis) who are determined to destroy any
> chance
> of a Palestinian state."
He added that later.
Y.
--
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'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how
it comes out'
(Bill Hicks)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
JohnR
"Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein" <yit...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:2svf38-...@yahoo.co.il...
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwo...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 6:00 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 22/02/2011 23:02, My two cents wrote:
>>> > snip
>>> >>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the
>>> >>> aggressor and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to
>>> >>> blaming the victim for the violence done against him.
>>> >> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
>>> > And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
>>>
>>> 'Israel should not exist'
>>> <http://is.gd/YQ96>
>>
>> That post you link clearly shows John to have a reasonable and
>> pragmatic position viz:
>
> No, that post shows that Rennie thinks that Israel was a mistake. That is
> _classic_, textbook anti-Semitism.
>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
What is this 'West Bank' of which you speak, Eva? There is no such legal
entity.
> Gaza strip, with equal and democratic voting rights to all inhabitants.
Gaza has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. If there are not 'equal
voting' rights there (just as there are no equal voting rights in any
Muslim country, you should take it up with the Hamas.
But you won't. You're part of the crackpot team who blame the Jews for
events which take place even where we have no jurisdiction. In fact, I
gather it rained in Rio de Janeiro the past few days. Those fuckin' Jews,
eh?
> But I suspect that your racism means that you do not want to see that?
Would this be the 'racism' that exists in your tiny little mind as it
projects? Certainly, I have never once made a single racist statement on
this group or any other.
>> But of course, we all know it's not about the 'Palestinians' (sic). It
>> has never been about the 'Palestinians' (sic). It is about hating Jews.
>> Why don't you all don't just admit it? Why continue this pretence of
>> being 'concerned' about the 'Palestinians' (sic) when the world and his
>> wife know that you couldn't really give a flying fuck what happens to
>> them?
> Unlike you, many on here are not socialpaths, devoid of humanity and
> compassion. So although it may be beyond your capacity to understand,
> you will just have to accept that other people care about others and have
> something called empathy.
If you cared a toss about 'others', you would find time to look at the
human rights abuses going on in dozens of countries around the world. But
you don't. All of your vitriol and hatred is directed at a democratic,
law-abiding state. The Jews. It's always the Jews. You're a Nazi
fuckhead, and you deserve that .22 bullet behind the left ear.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'You can't `grep` dead trees'
(Unknown)
<http://www.palwatch.org/>
My two cents
> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 6:00 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On 22/02/2011 23:02, My two cents wrote:
> >> > snip
> >> >>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
> >> >>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the
> >> >>> aggressor and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to
> >> >>> blaming the victim for the violence done against him.
> >> >> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
> >> > And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
>
> >> 'Israel should not exist'
> >> <http://is.gd/YQ96>
>
> > That post you link clearly shows John to have a reasonable and
> > pragmatic position viz:
>
> No, that post shows that Rennie thinks that Israel was a mistake. That is
> _classic_, textbook anti-Semitism.
It isn't anti-Semitism, textbook or otherwise.
> > "However Israel DOES exist and because
> > she exists I support her existence but I do not support the Zionists
> > (who do
> > not represent all of the Israelis) who are determined to destroy any
> > chance
> > of a Palestinian state."
>
> He added that later.
So?
Ariadne
How would you know?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
I'm still waiting for you to define by what authority the IV Geneva
Convention applies to Israel.
> Although these settlements are geographically within the West Bank,
No, those 'settlements' are in Judea & Samaria. Judea & Samaria comes
under the terms of the San Remo Conference (which you conveniently ignore),
which allows for the Jewish presence. What you have failed to do (other
than by stubbornly and continuously citing the 'IV Geneva Convention' as if
the more times you repeat it, the more chance of its becoming true) is to
point to any competent and binding document which superseded the San Remo
Conference. Why do you think that is, eh?
> they are under Israeli sovereignty, by the direct use of force of the
> Israeli military. Non-Jews are not allowed inside the settlements.
Never would it occur to you or to your Nazi cabal, that if Arabs are
excluded from certain parts of Israel, it's because when they venture
there, they've got a couple of dozen sticks of dynamite strapped under
their jacket.
This is unfortunate. But we are not obliged to play Russian roulette with
our childrens' lives, just so that Arabs can bomb us to fuck, or else play
the 'demography card' by breeding like rabbits.
>> 2) Do you consider the Arab settlements in Israel to be "illegal"?
> No - they do not violate the 4th Geneva convention, as these Arabs are
> living under Israeli sovereignty.
If I had one piece of advice for you (other than to give serious
consideration to drinking an entire bottle of drain cleaner), it would be
to leave off the armchair litigation. You're unqualified for it, and quite
frankly, fucking crap at it.
> If the military forces of the PA invaded Israel, and against the wishes
> of the Israeli people enforced PA sovereignty on these settlements,
> then yes they would likewise be illegal.
The difference is that there is no such thing as 'sovereign "Palestinian"
[sic] territory'. There has never been 'sovereign "Palestinian" [sic]
territory'. There never will be 'sovereign "Palestinian" [sic] territory'.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'Of course, we have to stand with our North Korean allies...'
(Sarah Palin)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
I do believe that you are the one more likely to be reading that page.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'As long as power remains privately concentrated, everybody,
_everybody_ has to be committed to one overriding goal, and that's to
make sure the rich folk are happy. Because unless they are, nobody
else is going to get anything'
(Noam Chomsky (1928 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 22, 6:35 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 21, 5:37 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Really? Arabs - not "Palestinians" who have as much validity as Tooth
>> >> Fairies - have been turning down a state for almost eighty years.
>> > I blame both Palestinian
>>
>> There is no such people.
>>
>> > intransigence and Israeli intransigence for continuing the conflict.
>>
>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the truth is
>> that to begin with, there is no such people. Second, placing the aggressor
>> and the victim on the same moral level, is tantamount to blaming the victim
>> for the violence done against him.
>
> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
Wrong. If you are walking past a policeman when you are assaulted by a
passerby, you would not expect to be arrested along with your assailant.
If you were, you would quite rightly surmise that the officer is biased
against you. Placing the aggressor and the victim on the same moral
footing, lends legitimacy to the former. Israel's only 'crime' is to exist
in the eyes of Nazis like those I mentioned in another post.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and when
they fail in this purpose, they become the dangerously structured dams
that block the flow of social progress'
(Dr Martin Luther King (1929 - 1968))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
No, Adolf. That would be the textbook called 'a dictionary'.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'... when the terrorist attack on the Maxim restaurant in Haifa [in
2003] occurred. The next day I noticed that both the European and
American media failed to report about the victims and I asked myself
why is it that Israeli victims of terror disappear so quickly'
(Giulio Meotti)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Planet Visitor II wrote:
>> >> Answer the question. And don't hem and haw in avoiding this direct
>> >> question, which I ask "just out of curiosity." Why would you claim
>> >> that Arabs are in Israel "legally," while Jews in the West Bank are
>> >> there "illegally"?
>> > Your question is very silly, and shows you do not understand the
>> > situation.
>> TRANSLATION: "You really have me by the short hairs, PV. I'll just
>> have to claim your question is silly, to avoid answering what is
>> obviously a very logical question."
> Your question is based on a lie
Is it? I've left PV's question in, so that you can tell us which part is
'a lie'. Certainly, you are claiming that the Jewish presence in Judea &
Samaria is 'illegal', yet you are claiming that the Arab presence in Israel
is 'legal'. So which part of his question is 'a lie'? And once you've
answered that, you can perhaps explain how it is that you apply different
criteria to both situations.
(actually, we know it's because you're a Jew-hating Nazi whore; I only ask
the question to nail you to the spot again, 'cos it's fun to do so)
>> > There are Israeli settlements in the West Bank. There are no West
>> > Bank settlements inside Israel proper.
>> There are ARABS in what is A JEWISH STATE! Try to wrap your mind around
>> that.
>> > If there were West Bank settlements inside Israel proper, then these
>> > would be illegal as well.
>> There are ARAB settlements inside Israel proper. What about those 20%
>> of Israelis who are ARAB in what has been determined to be a JEWISH
>> STATE? Of course it is not possible for a West Bank settlement to be
>> in Israel proper, because of geographic considerations. No one can pick
>> up a part of the West Bank and move it physically to Israel.
> Arabs living in Israel are living in places in which Israel has
> sovereignty. They are not Arab settlements in the same meaning as the
> Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
That's it? That's supposed to explain the gaping inconsistency in your
'argument'?
No wonder just about everyone on this newsgroup drags you around by the
hair and batters you off the wall.
>> Nor can anyone pick up a part of Israel and move it physically to the
>> West Bank. Using your argument there are no Israel settlements in the
>> West Bank, because Israel is not in the West Bank.
> Your statement above is untrue, as that is exactly what Israel has done.
> It is this which makes the settlements illegal under the 4th Geneva
> convention.
No, it is this which makes them 'illegal' in your opinion. You have so far
completely failed to provide binding, impartial jurisprudence to
demonstrate that there are 'illegal settlements' in Judea & Samaria.
However, it _has_ been shown by me and others, that there _is_ a binding
document which authorises the presence of Jews in Judea & Samaria, and
which authorises construction there. That document has _never_ been
revoked or superseded. If you want to claim otherwise, you need to prove
it. Note, _prove_ it. Not 'throw out wild claims and then abuse anyone
who disagrees'.
> The Jewish settlements in the West Bank are under Israeli sovereignty,
> but Arabs living in Israel are not under the sovereingty of the PA.
So what? That in no way renders the Jewish presence in Judea & Samaria
'illegal'.
>> It's the PEOPLE that you object to... the JEWS... but you hope to
>> exclude the other PEOPLE... the ARABS... who have settlements in THE
>> JEWISH STATE of Israel.
>> But I knew you couldn't really face this issue. It doesn't serve your
>> anti-Semitic purpose to recognize that because the Jews have settlements
>> in the West Bank that you consider "illegal," that one must then also
>> consider the Arabs who have settlements in Israel to be there
>> "illegally."
> Wooosh, you really have missed the point.
Oh, I think he has got the point. You've yet to post a single condemnation
of any human rights' abuses going on anywhere in the world. Your
fist-shaking is reserved for Israel. You hate Jews, and the only puzzling
thing about it is that you continue to deny that you are a Nazi. Why? Why
don't you have the courage of your convictions? Why do you post
anonymously, and spend all of your time accusing the Jews on this forum of
being Nazis? Why not just come out and admit to your bigotry?
>> So WHY do you contend that Jewish settlements in the West Bank are
>> "illegal"?
> For the same reason that both the United States and UK ambassadors to the
> UN do. They are illegal under the 4th Geneva convention.
Claiming it does not make it so. _Prove_ it.
>> Obviously it relates to the PEOPLE forming those settlements.
> No it does not. Again you are missing the point.
You are an anti-Semite. At least have a heart as big as your mouth.
> I am happy for Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists, Jews, Pagans, and any other
> colour and creed of people to live in the West Bank if they wish to.
No, my little Nazi. You want Judea & Samaria to be 'Judenrhein'.
>> They are Israeli and Jewish, thus that is the reason you consider them
>> to be "illegal."
> No, it is a question of legal sovereignty.
If it were a 'question of legal sovereignty', then you would have no
problem providing proof that the San Remo Conference documents have been
annuled or superseded. So far, you have not done so.
>> Well, the same would apply to the PEOPLE forming settlements in THE
>> JEWISH STATE of Israel. Arabs forming settlements in Israel would also
>> be considered "illegal."
> If Arabs formed settlements in Israel by force, which were under the
> sovereignty of a foreign power, backed up by the military forces of that
> foreign power, then yes they would likewise be illegal under the 4th
> Geneva convention.
LOL ... law isn't your forte, is it?
>> While I'll tell you that the Arabs in the JEWISH STATE are treated far
>> more fairly, and given more benefits from the JEWISH STATE, than any Jew
>> in the West Bank is provided by Arabs living in the West Bank. Yet what
>> is constantly heard from extreme leftist whiners is how unfair the Jews
>> are to the Arabs living in THE JEWISH STATE of Israel.
> Another lie. Many non Jewish villages are subject to demolition, denial
> of basic services like Electricity etc.
You'll be providing details of all those Jews who live in Arab countries
who are currently living the life of Reilly, then....
No? 'didn't think so.
You Nazi fuckhead.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
'If Shaw and Einstein couldn't beat death, what chance do I have?'
(Mel Brooks (1926 - ))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 23, 6:00 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 22, 6:42 pm, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> It looks as if the annhilation of the Jews would suffice.
>> > You are doing the same thing you often accuse me of - creating straw men.
>> > I don't want the destruction of Israel and I certainly don't want the
>> > annihilation of the Jews.
>>
>> Frankly, the jury is out on that one. You're either more moderate than the
>> 'real Nazis' like 'aaa', 'JohnR', 'Dirk Bruere' etc. Or you're just toning
>> down your rhetoric to make it appear as if you were.
>
> From what I've read by those people so far I don't mind if you
> consider me as one of them. Just please don't associate me with
> Ishvara, John Bennett, Glenn R or Love Europe Hate the EU. OK?
Like I say...
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'AADP's Left-Wing Israeli Intellectual'
My two cents
> > It isn't anti-Semitism, textbook or otherwise.
>
> How would you know?
What I should have said is that John's quote does not prove him an
anti-Semite.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Feb 23, 6:22 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> In alt.activism.death-penalty My two cents <mytwoce...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On Feb 23, 6:00 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> >> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> >> > On 22/02/2011 23:02, My two cents wrote:
>> >> >>> No, you pay lip service to 'blaming' the Fakestinians, but the
>> >> >>> truth is that to begin with, there is no such people. Second,
>> >> >>> placing the aggressor and the victim on the same moral level, is
>> >> >>> tantamount to blaming the victim for the violence done against
>> >> >>> him.
>> >> >> Both sides are part aggressor, part victim.
>> >> > And after that wise pronouncement there's no more to be said.
>> >> 'Israel should not exist'
>> >> <http://is.gd/YQ96>
>> > That post you link clearly shows John to have a reasonable and
>> > pragmatic position viz:
>> No, that post shows that Rennie thinks that Israel was a mistake. That is
>> _classic_, textbook anti-Semitism.
> It isn't anti-Semitism, textbook or otherwise.
It is a sad fact of life that irrespective of how much they try to claim
otherwise, 'anti-Zionists' are just anti-Semites who don't have the balls
to come out and admit that they hate Jews.
>> > "However Israel DOES exist and because she exists I support her
>> > existence but I do not support the Zionists (who do not represent all
>> > of the Israelis) who are determined to destroy any chance of a
>> > Palestinian state."
>> He added that later.
> So?
Don't ask stupid questions.
Y.
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