It`s FuckWit Patented Gimmick Housey!
FuckWit`s Frenchie Wife
However, I bring joyful news: IT`S TIME FOR THIS YEAR`S `FUCKWIT
PATENTED GIMMICKS` HOUSEY!
The rules are simple [a]: just make a note of every time Hubby invokes
a FPG against you; the first poster to force PV into using all the
following FPGs (i.e. a `FULL HOUSE`) wins!! Just shout loud and clear
"Housey-Housey!!"
On the card this year...
gimmick n° 2 ... (the 'just trolling' gimmick)
gimmick n° 37 ... (the 'please don't leave!' gimmick)
gimmick n° 68 ... (the 'Saddam Hussein Special' gimmick)
gimmick n° 73 ... (the everyone who spanks me is a friend of desi
[sic]' gimmick)
gimmick n° 75 ... (the 'a negative supposition must be disproven for
it to be false' gimmick)
gimmick n° 130 ... (the 'keeping count' gimmick)
gimmick n° 135 ... (the 'you've been bitch-slapped' gimmick)
gimmick n° 146 ... (the 'you're not making sense' gimmick)
gimmick n° 148 ... (the 'I'm no longer interested in this thread'
gimmick)
gimmick n° 151 ... (the 'everyone knows' gimmick)
gimmick n° 152 ... (the 'you're a pedantic [sic]' gimmick)
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
This game of housey lasts for one month... Happy hunting!! Bonne
chance!
[a] that`s right... even Kevin and Jiggy can play!!
Euro
"FuckWit`s Frenchie Wife" <i_crave_r...@hotmail.com>
??????:f2d2f71a.03041...@posting.google.com...
> I am sorry my hubby is still bothering you nice peeps.
>
> However, I bring joyful news: IT`S TIME FOR THIS YEAR`S `FUCKWIT
> PATENTED GIMMICKS` HOUSEY!
>
> The rules are simple [a]: just make a note of every time Hubby invokes
> a FPG against you; the first poster to force PV into using all the
> following FPGs (i.e. a `FULL HOUSE`) wins!! Just shout loud and clear
> "Housey-Housey!!"
Too bad you didn't launch the game two weeks ago. I'd have won immediately.
No luck :-(
Euro
FitzHerbert
> > I am sorry my hubby is still bothering you nice peeps.
> >
> > However, I bring joyful news: IT`S TIME FOR THIS YEAR`S `FUCKWIT
> > PATENTED GIMMICKS` HOUSEY!
> >
> > The rules are simple [a]: just make a note of every time Hubby invokes
> > a FPG against you; the first poster to force PV into using all the
> > following FPGs (i.e. a `FULL HOUSE`) wins!! Just shout loud and clear
> > "Housey-Housey!!"
>
> Too bad you didn't launch the game two weeks ago. I'd have won immediately.
> No luck :-(
Two weeks? I missed out on the very hard-to-get `Keeping Count`
Gimmick [1](Gimmick n° 130) by 11 minutes and 35 seconds!!
Now how unlucky is that!
> Euro
Neville
[1] the FuckWit has informed me that he has been watching [2] and, it
seems keeping count, of my posts to the thread `The Intense Humming of
Stupidity`.
http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&start=25&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.activism.death-penalty&selm=ue9r9vcohi877hpebk3ap6fi6qhkp6vtmf%404ax.com
[2] Thanks to his sloppy admission, we now know that PV has been doing
more than `watching` that thread: he has been pumping it full of
vitriolic racist abuse using the pseudonym `Ocenturian35`.
A Planet Visitor
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... euro at it again... still looking for _friends_.
PV
>Euro
>
FitzHerbert
> >> I am sorry my hubby is still bothering you nice peeps.
> >>
> >> However, I bring joyful news: IT`S TIME FOR THIS YEAR`S `FUCKWIT
> >> PATENTED GIMMICKS` HOUSEY!
> >>
> >> The rules are simple [a]: just make a note of every time Hubby invokes
> >> a FPG against you; the first poster to force PV into using all the
> >> following FPGs (i.e. a `FULL HOUSE`) wins!! Just shout loud and clear
> >> "Housey-Housey!!"
> >
> >Too bad you didn't launch the game two weeks ago. I'd have won immediately.
> >No luck :-(
> >
> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... euro at it again... still looking for _friends_.
Oh no! I guess Lady Luck int on yr side, Euro: Gimmick n° 65 (the
'SLURP [sic]' gimmick) int on the card.
I bet FuckWit did that on purpose, the mean-hearted bastard.
Yrs Nev.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:sr63avk7taifpqoi6...@4ax.com...
I won!!!!!! "Housey-Housey!!"
Thanks PV, what's funny with you is that you're stupid to the point your
reactions are 100% foreseeable.
Thanks for the laugh... But once again, as an advice: limit your stupid
comments to subjects you know. When you don't, you just appear for what you
are: an ignorant fool.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:sr63avk7taifpqoi6...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:19:50 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"FuckWit`s Frenchie Wife" <i_crave_r...@hotmail.com>
>> >??????:f2d2f71a.03041...@posting.google.com...
>> >> I am sorry my hubby is still bothering you nice peeps.
>> >>
>> >> However, I bring joyful news: IT`S TIME FOR THIS YEAR`S `FUCKWIT
>> >> PATENTED GIMMICKS` HOUSEY!
>> >>
>> >> The rules are simple [a]: just make a note of every time Hubby invokes
>> >> a FPG against you; the first poster to force PV into using all the
>> >> following FPGs (i.e. a `FULL HOUSE`) wins!! Just shout loud and clear
>> >> "Housey-Housey!!"
>> >
>> >Too bad you didn't launch the game two weeks ago. I'd have won
>immediately.
>> >No luck :-(
>> >
>> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... euro at it again... still looking for
>_friends_.
>>
>
>I won!!!!!! "Housey-Housey!!"
>
No... you lose, euro. You always lose when you are unable to argue your
own points, and need to attach yourself to another poster, hoping he will
become _your friend_.
>Thanks PV, what's funny with you is that you're stupid to the point your
>reactions are 100% foreseeable.
>
>Thanks for the laugh... But once again, as an advice: limit your stupid
>comments to subjects you know. When you don't, you just appear for what you
>are: an ignorant fool.
>
ROTFLMAO -- "Insults reveal usually more on those who say them than on
those who receive them".
Catherine Colonna, speaker of President Chirac.
You're an immature twit, euro. And that's not an insult, but a truism.
PV
>Euro
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:nnd4av03v23i7rhq3...@4ax.com...
1/ That was not an insult, but a mere observation.
2/ Judging from the number of insults you spill on almost everyone here, I'm
sure you have displayed enough on you to confirm this observation is
accurate.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
>From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
>Date: 4/20/2003 5:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3ea26878$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
Euro, anything to say about Dezi's numerous insults:
"unelected dumbfuck 'president
dumbfuck Scooter-Boy
Scooter-Boy"
Jigsaw
(Subject: Re: Something to cry over
From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@zeouane.org
Date: 4/20/2003 4:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <slrnba4m8m.il4.p...@rosbif.home>
Le Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:47:21 -0400, Rev. Don Kool <old...@comcast.net> a écrit
:
> > 'Ordained minister' ... LOL !! Drewl-boy ... LMAO !!!
> > Ancient Rome ... ROTFLMAO !!!
> Desi, figure out what a socket is yet? >
> ROTFLOLASTD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, I see that you're applying a variation of FuckWit patented gimmick
n° 133 [1], Scooter-Boy ... the 'you thrashed me so you're a racist'
gimmick. Drewl-boy gets his arse toasted as he claims to be a minister,
but doesn't even know where _the_ most important event in the whole
history of Christianity took place. Ho, ho, ho ... his sole response is
to remind me of an error that I made in the comp.* hierarchy (look it
up, Drewl-boy), when I don't even work in IT anymore! LM*F*AO !! This
is _too_ easy !!
Sadly, FuckWit has few qualities, but one of them is that he is better
than you, at invoking his gimmicks ... sorry, 'gimmick's' (sic). As
well he should be: he invented most of them, to cover up the brutal
hammering that he receives on news:alt.activism.death-penalty day in,
day out.
LOL ... this is like shooting fish in a barrel. 'Ancient-Rome' [2],
ROTFLMAO !!!!!
[1] url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/133.html
[2]
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3E309153.70509
03%40comcast.net
--
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org"
--
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
Spike
blurted:
HE might find them. You never will
>>Euro
>>
-
execution is legalised murder
-
Spike
A Planet Visitor
Yeah... you presume in the egotistical slaughter you generally perform on logic,
that you are _above insulting_. You're disgusting. So, let me make
a _mere observation_... you are the most immature and childish poster
in this group. Without reservation... without exception.... without argument. A
swollen-headed, peacock posturing, immature punk. I am certain that you
are at most just out of your teens, if that. While it is clearly evident that your
parents have failed you MISERABLY.
>2/ Judging from the number of insults you spill on almost everyone here, I'm
>sure you have displayed enough on you to confirm this observation is
>accurate.
What!!! The insults heaped on ME, come from every bigot, racist, and
ignorant anti-DP fanatic in this group... And you are one of the ignorant
ones. I've grown sick of it, since rational dialog is no longer possible.
Recognize my posts to spike and Ol' Racist Nev, and how those two
ignorant degenerates understand NOTHING but spewing out obscenities.
Recognize that desi and dirtbag rely on NOTHING but the same. There is
no rational framework in which they wish to engage. And NEITHER DO
YOU. Your nauseating _argument_ in which you contend you can call
murder "legal," in spite of all logic, and every principle of how humans
communicate, claiming you may do so because it is an oxymoron,
demonstrates just how ineffective your opposition to the DP is. Depending
upon the most shameful distortion of the English language possible.
Presuming to make "up" = "down," and "black" = "white" in a zealot's
psychotic foray into frenzied arm-waving semi-dementia.
Clearly you prove that the most perfect oxymoron of all is "rational euro."
While again -- your other arguments that /quote/ "Simplistic" doesn't mean
"simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity" /unquote/, and your sterile and
impotent use of the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, which in no
way limits the use of the DP in your ego-driven inability to admit you
are wrong, PROVE each and every _mere observation_ I have made
of your intellectual inferiority.
Finally your pathological attraction to, and sucking up to some of the most
obscene posters in this group, simply because they are abolitionists,
turns my stomach. desi and dirt -- both having flawed intellects which
beggar description. desi calling on abolitionists to be as the domestic
cat to the retentionist sparrow, periodically begging the group to _take
his side_, insulting them collectively if they do not --- dirtbag unable to
post without a token obscenity in EVERY post, obviously having
serious _mother issues_ --- Ol' Racist Nev... demonstrating a
knuckles-dragging-on-the-floor intellect... intent on trying to draw
OTHER racists into this group --- spike... who decided that because
I disagreed with him that I should be _put down_, placed on a gurney
and executed... without any legal recourse, for no reason other than
my opinion is different from his... arguing that the "unemployed
or ill" are the SAME as murderers, and you DEFENDING his saying so.
ALL those four know are obscene insults. And you want to be ONE
OF THEM. Making you no better than any of them. Because
every time you see one of them do so... you try to strike up an alliance,
using your best Gene Simmons imitation, your tongue-up-their-ass,
in sucking up to their comment. As you've done in presuming that spike
was rational when he compared the "unemployed or ill" with MURDERERS.
My advice -- you need to step back, reevaluate your posting methods, and
try to rise above the paedomorphic behavior you currently demonstrate.
BTW -- lose the ego while you're at it.
PV
>
>Euro
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:aql5avgciud7u26ta...@4ax.com...(snipped)
>
> What!!! The insults heaped on ME, come from every bigot, racist, and
> ignorant anti-DP fanatic in this group... And you are one of the ignorant
> ones. I've grown sick of it, since rational dialog is no longer possible.
Of course, since you insult me each time I send a posting. As proven just
above.
> My advice -- you need to step back, reevaluate your posting methods, and
> try to rise above the paedomorphic behavior you currently demonstrate.
> BTW -- lose the ego while you're at it.
I resend this advice to you. No one could implement it better. Did you ever
wonder why all the debates you have with others end up to insults? Well, I
do...
Euro
A Planet Visitor
Since it is not my custom to try and stick my tongue up the ass of everyone,
as it the wont of euro and some others here, it rather shows I am not
LOOKING for friends. Only those who need a crutch, as euro, dirtbag,
desi, Ol' Racist Nev and you, run around frantically in search of friends
because you recognize how pathetic you actually are.
PV
>>>Euro
>>>
>
>-
> spike
>spike says -- Those who disagree with him should be _put down_ -- MURDEREDl.
FitzHerbert
> You're disgusting. So, let me make a _mere observation_... you are the most
> immature and childish poster in this group. Without reservation... without
> exception.... without argument. A swollen-headed, peacock posturing,
> immature punk. I am certain that you are at most just out of your teens, if
> that. While it is clearly evident that your parents have failed you
> MISERABLY.
Tek yr collar off, Grandad, and help yoursen to finger of ginger ale.
I suggest you just accept that an "immature punk", "just out of
[their] teens" and using English as a second language has `whupped yer
ass` [sic] yet again, FW.
(Oh, but Nev, my steadfast frend, these pesky beatniks with their
long-hair that meks `em look like bints, and their music wi` no tunes
and words you can`t hear!!! How dare they!! WHERE`S THE RESPECT, NEV?
I IS AN OLD MAN!!)
I can see it is tough for you, FW: the whole day stretching out ahead
of you with nothing to fill it but mithering on a.a.d-p and the booze;
to us yr just that desiccated old twat who bothers folk with boring
spam-fests and tedious fibbing (inclusing the obligatory, periodic
`SUPER-WHOPPER` [sic], which you issue forth when everybody has
decided to ignore yr petulant whining, and you want a bit of fuss to
enhance yr sorry existence); in the _real_ world, who knows? Maybe you
waggle yr dick at young girls to get attention.
Wot benifit do you provide to society, FW? Wot do you look forward to?
Perhaps the most you can hope for on both counts is you get mugged by
the local kids, and they spend yr pension-money on smack.
<snip>
> While again -- your other arguments that /quote/ "Simplistic" doesn't mean
> "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity" /unquote/
Simple (adjective):
"easy to understand or do; not difficult."
Simplistic (adjective DISAPPROVING):
"making something complicated seem simple by ignoring important parts
of it."
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=73760&dict=CALD
The subtle nuances of English find you out again, FW.
<snip>
> spike... who decided that because I disagreed with him that I should be _put > down_, placed on a gurney and executed... without any legal recourse,
You are often to be found contemplating yr own death at the moment,
FW, and understandably so.
There are people in Switzerland who can help you:
http://www.dignitas.ch/
They are v. humane people, FW, and I am sure if you explained yr
fetish they would pretend that you woz being executed; they`d probably
let you have a sly wank as well whilst you lie there, on the gurney,
dribbling like a daft old coot, moaning about "little evil goblins"
and how you "SPANKED" [sic] Desi, "He mis-spelt `surprise`, Nurse, do
you hear me? But I always put `outted` [sic] in quotes [sic]: I
WHUPPED HIS ASS, NURSE, I SPANKED DES.........." [sic]
> for no reason other than my opinion is different from his...
Blah-de-fucking-blah. No doubt the very _thought_ of being executed
brings a tear to yr Japs-eye.
> arguing that the "unemployed or ill" are the SAME as murderers, and you
> DEFENDING his saying so.
The only person to say that "the unemployed and the ill are the same
as murderers" is you, PV. Check it out on `goggle` [sic].
How I pity you.
<snip>
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
(yr ex-pal)
"...INVOLUNTARY sterilization of all Blacks is ALSO a _good thing_"
A Planet Visitor
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:aql5avgciud7u26ta...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:29:23 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>(snipped)
>>
>> What!!! The insults heaped on ME, come from every bigot, racist, and
>> ignorant anti-DP fanatic in this group... And you are one of the ignorant
>> ones. I've grown sick of it, since rational dialog is no longer possible.
>
When you distort my words... insults are the only possible response.
And clearly you did in the thread related to my statement that murderers
"provide not one iota of benefit for our species." At least I have the
honesty to state that I intend to insult you... and do not DENY
having done so, as you do, since you certainly deserve it. But what I
have from you is only your sanctimonious denial. Essentially a pious
and childlike presumption that you are ABOVE providing insults. And
only others insult you. Clearly that places you in a position that nothing
of your views can be believed if you argue that you do not insult. If
one would deny such trivial behavior (since insult is 90% of this group),
what can anyone believe about ANYTHING other than trivial that they
might have to say? All you say is now suspect, because of such a
trivial denial.
So let's relive your words you clipped here -- They were --
"Thanks for the laugh... But once again, as an advice: limit your stupid
comments to subjects you know. When you don't, you just appear for what
you are: an ignorant fool."
And when I mentioned that you are not above offering insults, you
replied -- "That was not an insult, but a mere observation."
See the DENIAL from you? See the hypocritical and childish moral
posturing that you are ABOVE providing insults?
And all that because you had stuck your Gene Simmons tongue up the
ass of a known troll as far as it would go, because his post referred to
me. That's an insult, BTW.
>Of course, since you insult me each time I send a posting. As proven just
>above.
>
>> My advice -- you need to step back, reevaluate your posting methods, and
>> try to rise above the paedomorphic behavior you currently demonstrate.
>> BTW -- lose the ego while you're at it.
>
>I resend this advice to you. No one could implement it better. Did you ever
>wonder why all the debates you have with others end up to insults? Well, I
>do...
Actually, your comment simply PROVES my words. Since your response is the
typical paedomorphic style of posting. _send it back to me_. Kindergarten stuff...
the "you are," "no... you are," "NO... you are," increasing only in volume, simply
repeating the same insult and throwing it back, without the slightest bit of
originality or an ability to respond rationally. You are only good at doing that.
Look at your words, and try to UNDERSTAND YOURSELF. Look in the mirror
and recognize how immature your posting style is. This is what I was trying to
drive home to you... and then you go and prove my point. But still you cannot see
yourself. You look into the waters as Narcissus, and all you see is what you
want to see... and not what is really there. You will probably, as he did, stay
mesmerized by your own image, as you believe it is, until you die... when the
Gods will then turn you into a weed. BTW -- That's another insult. LOL.
PV
>
>Euro
>
>
>
Spike
(FitzHerbert) blurted:
careful Nev. FW isn't the only aged person on here. I am a grandfather
myself. Still your points about FW are accurate but thankfully, few of
us are like him
> A Planet Visitor
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <3ea530cc$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:gdm9avo47a96abn08...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:57:48 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
(snipped)
> At least I have the honesty to state that I intend to insult you...
Everyone had already noticed it anyway: you bring debates to the points you
most excel: bad faith and insults. Too bad for you, that ruins your efforts
to appear here as a respectable person.
Euro
===============================
What about Dezi? Care to comment on his rampant abuse of those who dont agree?
FitzHerbert
<snip>
> >> spike... who decided that because I disagreed with him that I should be _put > down_, placed on a gurney and executed... without any legal recourse,
> >
> >You are often to be found contemplating yr own death at the moment,
> >FW, and understandably so.
> >
> >There are people in Switzerland who can help you:
> >http://www.dignitas.ch/
> >
> >They are v. humane people, FW, and I am sure if you explained yr
> >fetish they would pretend that you woz being executed; they`d probably
> >let you have a sly wank as well whilst you lie there, on the gurney,
> >dribbling like a daft old coot, moaning about "little evil goblins"
> >and how you "SPANKED" [sic] Desi, "He mis-spelt `surprise`, Nurse, do
> >you hear me? But I always put `outted` [sic] in quotes [sic]: I
> >WHUPPED HIS ASS, NURSE, I SPANKED DES.........." [sic]
> >
> >> for no reason other than my opinion is different from his...
> >
> >Blah-de-fucking-blah. No doubt the very _thought_ of being executed
> >brings a tear to yr Japs-eye.
> >
> >> arguing that the "unemployed or ill" are the SAME as murderers, and you
> >> DEFENDING his saying so.
> >
> >The only person to say that "the unemployed and the ill are the same
> >as murderers" is you, PV. Check it out on `goggle` [sic].
> >
> >How I pity you.
<snip>
> careful Nev. FW isn't the only aged person on here.
I know: needless to say my comments are directed at FuckWit, and FuckWit alone.
Old-age has, I fear, just intensified FW`s misanthropic, truculent nature.
> I am a grandfather
My sympathies. :-)
> myself. Still your points about FW are accurate but thankfully, few of
> us are like him
I appreciate that, Spikey.
Here is a picture of FW:
http://home.achilles.net/~howardm/steptoe/steptoe.shtml
A Planet Visitor
>On 21 Apr 2003 17:31:14 -0700, FitzHerb...@hotmail.com
>(FitzHerbert) screamed in injured rage:
>
>>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> explained patiently in message
>>news:<aql5avgciud7u26ta...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>> You're disgusting. So, let me make a _mere observation_... you are the most
>>> immature and childish poster in this group. Without reservation... without
>>> exception.... without argument. A swollen-headed, peacock posturing,
>>> immature punk. I am certain that you are at most just out of your teens, if
>>> that. While it is clearly evident that your parents have failed you
>>> MISERABLY.
<clip crazed comments from frantically enraged Ol' Racist Nev who
saw a reflection of himself in that mirror for a moment>
>
>careful Nev. FW isn't the only aged person on here. I am a grandfather
>myself. Still your points about FW are accurate but thankfully, few of
>us are like him
>
Get your tongue out of Ol' Racist Nev's ass, dipshit.
PV
>
>
>> A Planet Visitor
>
>-
>spike says -- murder is benefical. murderers provide benefit.
>-
>Spike
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
??????:20030422093249...@mb-m19.aol.com...
I don't reason with double standards, Jigsaw. I only defend myself when I'm
attacked. For the remaining, I consider that, as a man sows, so shall he
reap. This is why, after having received loads of insults from PV without
replying on that level, I finally did so. That's degrading, but that's the
only way I found. The most funny is that he finds it surprising.
I understand you never received any insult from PV, which is why you never
took position on this. Don't ask me to do it on Dezi: he never insulted me
either.
Desi receives many insults in general, and I'm unable to say, at least for
some posters (William Robert for instance), who provoked them. I can't
possibly advise you on what to do. That matter can only be solved on an
individual basis. I only can say that, in principle, I disapprove this means
of tarnishing others, whoever uses it.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <3ea5da67$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
Euro
==============================
Fair enough!
Spike
(FitzHerbert) blurted:
I know the feeling. There are some things that only can be said to his
fuck headedness
>
>Old-age has, I fear, just intensified FW`s misanthropic, truculent nature.
I thought he was always like that
>
>> I am a grandfather
>
>My sympathies. :-)
it's not as bad as you might think.
>
>> myself. Still your points about FW are accurate but thankfully, few of
>> us are like him
>
>I appreciate that, Spikey.
we all do :-)
>
>Here is a picture of FW:
>http://home.achilles.net/~howardm/steptoe/steptoe.shtml
-
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:gdm9avo47a96abn08...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:57:48 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>(snipped)
>
>> At least I have the honesty to state that I intend to insult you...
>
>Everyone had already noticed it anyway: you bring debates to the points you
>most excel: bad faith and insults. Too bad for you, that ruins your efforts
>to appear here as a respectable person.
>
When you make foolish statements, even as you do right here... you deserve
no better. Why should I not provide an insult when examining the most
pathetic excuse for an argument one can imagine?
What _right_ do you have to remain above insult when you make a statement
that you, yourself, agree is a STUPID OXYMORON, such as "legal murder"?
And then try to argue that it makes sense, while admitting it is nonsense? Why
should I pander to stupidity, by presuming it justifies MORE than an insult?
Why should I give stupidity more credit than it deserves? Bang!! Stupid.
Why should I not insult you when you claim that simplistic has nothing to do with
simple? When the meaning is clearly that simplistic is MAKING the complex
SIMPLE, regardless of whether that is seen as a good or bad method, or
refers to _excessive_ use of simplification. It STILL refers to _simple_. Bang!!
Stupid.
Why should I not insult you when you tamper with the meaning of my words...
trying to change my words that considers only murderers, into stating that
those words "seem to consider EVERYONE"? Everyone is NOT a murderer!
And I was CONSIDERING ONLY murderers. Bang!! Stupid.
Why should I not insult you when you plagiarize whole bodies of works as your
own... again preening yourself childishly in front of the group, and then
pathetically try to EXCUSE that behavior with the most childish (that word
keeps popping up in your behavior) nitpicking display of stupidity one can
imagine? Bang!! Stupid.
Why should I not laugh hysterically in your face when you presume that some words
written in a U.N. Declaration by men mean A Right to life is a "universal right."
When murderers murder at will. While you presume that our species cannot take
WHATEVER action felt necessary in RESPONSE to those murderers, and
outrageously presume that the phrase "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and
security of person" prohibits the DP. While failing to recognize that if your words
were TRUE (of course they are not... they are STUPID), that taking away the
LIBERTY of ANY CRIMINAL would ALSO be prohibited. And that
supports the concept of anarchy. You _pick and choose_ the words that
suit you, and ignore the rest. Further, The U.N. specifically RECOGNIZES
that the DP is permissible in The U.N. International Covenant on Civil and
Political Rights, Part III, Article 6 -- See
url:http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cpr.html
Bang!! Stupid.
Your narcissist view of yourself, and your preening childish ego presumes that
no one can insult you when you make stupid statements.
I beg to disagree. They deserve nothing more.
And do not presume that you are above providing insults yourself, as you
have claimed, and in which I have PROVEN you wrong. Bang!! Stupid.
Consider every "Bang!! Stupid" to be an insult. As if I care. I welcome your
childish insults in return. I am sick of having to continually recognize that
your parents have FAILED you miserably in recognizing your own
flaws. You have obviously been over-protected by them to the point of
becoming a smug, vain, spoiled, indolent, selfish brat. Now terminating
in your questioning WHY ANYONE needs provide a benefit for our
species. Why John Rennie, a parent himself, seems blind to what I see, is a
mystery to me. He must be wearing his euro-abolitionist hat!! IMHO,
you are more in need of a bit of corporal punishment (a good spanking)
from your parents than any child I've ever witnessed. It would be the best
medicine you could have, and could actually make you a more intelligent,
and articulate poster in your opposition to the DP.
As it is now... you're like desi. A weapon for retention.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<aql5avgciud7u26ta...@4ax.com>...
>
>> You're disgusting. So, let me make a _mere observation_... you are the most
>> immature and childish poster in this group. Without reservation... without
>> exception.... without argument. A swollen-headed, peacock posturing,
>> immature punk. I am certain that you are at most just out of your teens, if
>> that. While it is clearly evident that your parents have failed you
>> MISERABLY.
>
>Tek yr collar off, Grandad, and help yoursen to finger of ginger ale.
>
<snip Ol' racist Nev inserting his tongue into euro's ass. How's it taste, sport?>
>
><snip>
>
>> While again -- your other arguments that /quote/ "Simplistic" doesn't mean
>> "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity" /unquote/
>
>Simple (adjective):
>"easy to understand or do; not difficult."
>
>Simplistic (adjective DISAPPROVING):
>"making something complicated seem simple by ignoring important parts
>of it."
>
>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=73760&dict=CALD
>
>The subtle nuances of English find you out again, FW.
>
ROTFLMAO. euro's words -- "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't
refer to "simplicity". --- Yet, there you go and see in the definition even
you provided that "Simplistic" is making something complicated seem SIMPLE.
So it certainly DOES mean SIMPLE. It is the result of what is performed in a
simplistic fashion. It is the SIMPLE APPROACH, regardless of whether one
presumes that is a _good_ or _bad_ approach. See --
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20simplistic,%20a.htm
Recognize that simplistic pertains to SIMPLES. Things simple. Of the
nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity. "Simplicity" which
euro claimed simplistic doesn't REFER to... yet there it is... REFERRED
TO. You seem to be as stupid as he is. Although he is not a racist.
><snip>
>
>> spike... who decided that because I disagreed with him that I should be _put
> down_, placed on a gurney and executed... without any legal recourse,
>
>You are often to be found contemplating yr own death at the moment,
>FW, and understandably so.
>
>There are people in Switzerland who can help you:
>http://www.dignitas.ch/
>
>They are v. humane people, FW, and I am sure if you explained yr
>fetish they would pretend that you woz being executed; they`d probably
>let you have a sly wank as well whilst you lie there, on the gurney,
>dribbling like a daft old coot, moaning about "little evil goblins"
>and how you "SPANKED" [sic] Desi, "He mis-spelt `surprise`, Nurse, do
>you hear me? But I always put `outted` [sic] in quotes [sic]: I
>WHUPPED HIS ASS, NURSE, I SPANKED DES.........." [sic]
>
I've left this dementia in.... simply to show that you are demented,
in addition to being a racist, Ol' Racist Nev.
>> for no reason other than my opinion is different from his...
>
>Blah-de-fucking-blah. No doubt the very _thought_ of being executed
>brings a tear to yr Japs-eye.
>
Actually... the execution of racist murderers brings a tear to YOUR
eye, Ol' Racist Nev... isn't that what you implied when you found something
wrong with my hate for racists?
>> arguing that the "unemployed or ill" are the SAME as murderers, and you
>> DEFENDING his saying so.
>
>The only person to say that "the unemployed and the ill are the same
>as murderers" is you, PV. Check it out on `goggle` [sic].
>
Already did, sport. Here's spike saying it --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=5i0o9v87694eb6p57jsaodlhd9k85l30kc%404ax.com
Here are spike's words when he flew into a fury in defense of murderers,
when I said that murderers provide no benefit to our species, and he equated
"no benefit" with "no worth," and then called the "Unemployed or ill" the SAME,
and demanded that THEY be strung up... His exact words -- "You think that if
someonr of "no worth" should be executed? why don't you string up the
unemployed or ill!" Now, that post was time posted at 06:13:37 PST
on 2002-04-15. My words were to YOU, in your AGREEMENT with
spike... and they were "Ol' Racist Nev believes that the unemployed and the ill
are the same as murderers." You will see that _I_ don't say it, but announce
that YOU BELIEVE IT... because you AGREE with spike.
PV
> Ol' Racist Nev
>
>"You see, the ONLY sane approach to take is that the GREATEST and MOST EVIL killer
> of 100+ people, is a tortured VICTIM..."
>
> Murderer lover Ol' Racist Nev
FitzHerbert
> >> You're disgusting. So, let me make a _mere observation_... you are the most
> >> immature and childish poster in this group. Without reservation... without
> >> exception.... without argument. A swollen-headed, peacock posturing,
> >> immature punk. I am certain that you are at most just out of your teens, if
> >> that. While it is clearly evident that your parents have failed you
> >> MISERABLY.
> >
> >Tek yr collar off, Grandad, and help yoursen to finger of ginger ale.
> >
> <snip Ol' racist Nev inserting his tongue into euro's ass. How's it taste, sport?>
Ahhhhh! Poor, uneducated, _paranoid_ FuckWit.
> ><snip>
> >
> >> While again -- your other arguments that /quote/ "Simplistic" doesn't mean
> >> "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity" /unquote/
> >
> >Simple (adjective):
> >"easy to understand or do; not difficult."
> >
> >Simplistic (adjective DISAPPROVING):
> >"making something complicated seem simple by ignoring important parts
> >of it."
> >
> >http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=73760&dict=CALD
> >
> >The subtle nuances of English find you out again, FW.
> >
> ROTFLMAO. euro's words -- "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple"
Were they? Quite right too: don`t let the fact that they sound similar
put you off, LDB.
> and doesn't
> refer to "simplicity". --- Yet, there you go and see in the definition even
> you provided that "Simplistic" is making something complicated seem SIMPLE.
> So it certainly DOES mean SIMPLE.
Assuredly not, FW. The CED quite explicitly sez that "simplistic"
refers to something "complicated" made simple, not something that is
_in fact_ `simple`.
> It is the result of what is performed in a
> simplistic fashion. It is the SIMPLE APPROACH, regardless of whether one
> presumes that is a _good_ or _bad_ approach. See --
> url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20simplistic,%20a.htm
> Recognize that simplistic pertains to SIMPLES. Things simple. Of the
> nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity. "Simplicity" which
> euro claimed simplistic doesn't REFER to... yet there it is... REFERRED
> TO. You seem to be as stupid as he is. Although he is not a racist.
I can assure you, FW, that `simple` and `simplistic` do not mean the
same thing.
> ><snip>
> >
> >> spike... who decided that because I disagreed with him that I should be _put
> > down_, placed on a gurney and executed... without any legal recourse,
> >
> >You are often to be found contemplating yr own death at the moment,
> >FW, and understandably so.
> >
> >There are people in Switzerland who can help you:
> >http://www.dignitas.ch/
> >
> >They are v. humane people, FW, and I am sure if you explained yr
> >fetish they would pretend that you woz being executed; they`d probably
> >let you have a sly wank as well whilst you lie there, on the gurney,
> >dribbling like a daft old coot, moaning about "little evil goblins"
> >and how you "SPANKED" [sic] Desi, "He mis-spelt `surprise`, Nurse, do
> >you hear me? But I always put `outted` [sic] in quotes [sic]: I
> >WHUPPED HIS ASS, NURSE, I SPANKED DES.........." [sic]
> >
> I've left this dementia in.... simply to show that you are demented,
> in addition to being a racist, Ol' Racist Nev.
Dementia (noun) [U] SPECIALIZED:
"a medical condition that affects especially old people, causing
gradual worsening of the memory and other mental abilities, and
leading to confused behaviour" [1]
Demented (adjective):
1 "unable to think or act clearly because you are extremely worried,
angry or excited by something".
2 (OLD-FASHIONED OR INFORMAL) "mentally ill" [2]
Oh dear, they sound similar as well don`t they, FW? But the CED dunt
link them!
btw---- do you recall suggesting to John Rennie that you may "chuck it
in"!!
That woz nearly a month ago!! Get yr act together, FW!!
<snip>
> >Blah-de-fucking-blah. No doubt the very _thought_ of being executed
> >brings a tear to yr Japs-eye.
> >
> Actually... the execution of racist murderers brings a tear to YOUR
> eye, Ol' Racist Nev... isn't that what you implied when you found something
> wrong with my hate for racists?
(As you are already on the record saying that `some racists` should be
executed in the same way that `some murderers` are executed, I
recommend you stop digging this particular hole, FW. Sorrow will come
in the end.)
And furthermore, as an abolitionist, executions do not bring "a drop
of salty liquid" to my Japs-eye. A state slaying it`s citizens in cold
blood is always a sad sight.
btw---- I can only inform you, FW, that a "Japs-eye" is not an "eye"
[3] per se, although, again, it does sound a bit similar.
Aren`t words funny, FW?
> >> arguing that the "unemployed or ill" are the SAME as murderers, and you
> >> DEFENDING his saying so.
> >
> >The only person to say that "the unemployed and the ill are the same
> >as murderers" is you, PV. Check it out on `goggle` [sic].
> >
> Already did, sport.
You obviously have not, FW. Spike has never said that "the unemployed
and the ill are the same as murderers". You have.
> Here's spike saying it --
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=5i0o9v87694eb6p57jsaodlhd9k85l30kc%404ax.com
Nope.
> Here are spike's words when he flew into a fury in defense of murderers,
> when I said that murderers provide no benefit to our species, and he equated
> "no benefit" with "no worth,"
Indeed. How does `no benefit` differ substantially from `no worth`,
FW?
> and then called the "Unemployed or ill" the SAME,
> and demanded that THEY be strung up... His exact words -- "You think that if
> someonr of "no worth" should be executed? why don't you string up the
> unemployed or ill!"
Are you ever gonna explain how yr `finding` that an individual
provides "not one iota of benefit for our species" [4] matters in any
tangible way wotsoever?
Yr creepy, FuckWit.
<mithering snipped>
> >"You see, the ONLY sane approach to take is that the GREATEST and MOST EVIL killer
> > of 100+ people, is a tortured VICTIM..."
> >
> > Murderer lover Ol' Racist Nev
I think you`ll find a `Joel1orbit` said that [5].
Poor insecure, uneducated, paranoid, _lying_ FuckWit.
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert.
"... INVOLUNTARY sterilization of all Blacks is ALSO a _good thing_"
A Planet
Visitor
*sigh*
[1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=20585&dict=CALD
[2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=94540&dict=CALD
[3] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=27336&dict=CALD
[4] "except an intent to destroy others from our species who are
innocent" woz, of course, yr `get out` clause, you poor fuckwit. Never
say I willfully misrepresent you, scum.
[5] http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=20000724080336.25765.00000013%40ng-xc1.aol.com
dirtdog
wrote:
<really unbelievably childish (and unfunny!) insults from the oldest
'man' in the group snipped>
>ROTFLMAO. euro's words -- "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple"
It doesn't, it is a different word. You have difficulty with this,
don't you, FW?
>and doesn't
>refer to "simplicity". --- Yet, there you go and see in the definition even
>you provided that "Simplistic" is making something complicated seem SIMPLE.
>So it certainly DOES mean SIMPLE. It is the result of what is performed in a
>simplistic fashion. It is the SIMPLE APPROACH, regardless of whether one
>presumes that is a _good_ or _bad_ approach. See --
>url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20simplistic,%20a.htm
Now, cut the bollocks, FW. You've been beat. Again.
Your _own source_ (now there's a surprise!) has again been your
undoing. Just as you cannot understand why a 'society' is different
from a 'government' or a 'nation', you seem perplexed by the fact that
'simplistic' does not have the same meaning as 'simple'. If their
meanings were not distinct, they would not exist as separate words.
And that's an end to it.
So, really, you should be thanking both Euro and Neville for further
expanding your mind. You really do have a lot to thank aadp for in
respect of enriching your wisdom at such a late stage. Next time you
attend the special over seventies' Desi Cultists Anonymous meeting,
you might wish to boast about your new found knowledge!
<rather sorry sight of FW getting spank, spank, spanked by a couple of
newbies snipped>
w00f
Spike
<dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> blurted:
i bet he still doesn't get the message. he would rather lose face and
be constantly proved wrong rather than he admits he is wrong and saves
face. Though to him is is still saving face
>
>w00f
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:ps4cavod1kirvll1h...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:08:32 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What _right_ do you have to remain above insult when you make a statement
> that you, yourself, agree is a STUPID OXYMORON, such as "legal murder"?
Once again, PV caught red-handed distorting others' views. I never agreed
"legal murder" was a "stupid oxymoron". I said it was an oxymoron, full
point. Oxymora are commonly used in English and I can't see under which
biased standard one could label them as "stupid". Other frequent oxymora in
English are expressions like "deafening silence" or "mournful optimist".
The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler", one
expression that suits you quite well.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:58:39 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
Once again, cue Louise wallowing about in mens rea and argumentum ad
ignorantiam endlessly. One could never accuse YOU of seeing any
concept in simplistic terms, Louise. As with euro (is it something in
the European air?), you generally develop the most absurd logical
conclusions I've ever seen here. Endless roundabout, meaningless
drivel, which NEVER makes a point. Conclusions generally cloaked in
a most duplicitous cloud of presumed _morality_, and an obviously
flawed intellect. Usually ending in an obscene expression of your
_mother issues_, and a huge satisfactory fart from you.
><really unbelievably childish (and unfunny!) insults from the oldest
>'man' in the group snipped>
>
You mean Earl??
>>ROTFLMAO. euro's words -- "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple"
>
>It doesn't, it is a different word. You have difficulty with this,
>don't you, FW?
>
LOL... The dialog went thusly --
euro wrote --
"Your simplistic mind makes you put me opinions I never had, PV."
I replied --
"The important things are ALWAYS _simple_ in form, and absent of
complexity. You would hope to cloud that simplicity with some of
the most absurd logical conclusions I've ever seen here. Conclusions
generally cloaked in a most duplicitous cloud of presumed _morality_,
and an obviously flawed intellect."
euro replied --
"Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". Once
again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
I replied --
ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
"1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
"2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to "simplicity."
See --
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20simplistic,%20a.htm
You will find that the word is FORMED FROM "Simple." Thus, the f.
abbreviation as shown.
>>and doesn't
>>refer to "simplicity". --- Yet, there you go and see in the definition even
>>you provided that "Simplistic" is making something complicated seem SIMPLE.
>>So it certainly DOES mean SIMPLE. It is the result of what is performed in a
>>simplistic fashion. It is the SIMPLE APPROACH, regardless of whether one
>>presumes that is a _good_ or _bad_ approach. See --
>>url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20simplistic,%20a.htm
>
>Now, cut the bollocks, FW. You've been beat. Again.
>
>Your _own source_ (now there's a surprise!) has again been your
>undoing. Just as you cannot understand why a 'society' is different
>from a 'government' or a 'nation', you seem perplexed by the fact that
>'simplistic' does not have the same meaning as 'simple'. If their
>meanings were not distinct, they would not exist as separate words.
>And that's an end to it.
>
What is _surprising_, is that you can FINALLY spell the word _surprising_,
since it's given you considerable difficulty in the past. To make it _simple_ for
you.
Two examples --
1) I used a simple method to solve this problem.
2) I used a simplistic method to solve this problem.
Both MEAN that a _simple_ method was used, simply that 2) can
imply that the method used, ALTHOUGH STILL SIMPLE, should
NOT have been used. In fact, 1) could also imply that the
_simple_ method used, was not the one that should have been
used. euro's pitiful excuse for an argument was that I overly
simplified what HE sees as complicated, by calling my _mind_
simplistic (of course he also claims to never insult). I argued that
he wouldn't know _simple_ from _complicated_ if it bit him in the
ass (an admitted, but deserved insult). And implied that problems
can ALSO be _overly complicated_ when they ARE simple.
An argument he was unable to grasp by presuming that simplistic
has nothing to do with simple (but of course it DOES, by definition),
and that it doesn't REFER to simplicity (which is DOES, by
definition).
Now, I understand how you also always unnecessary complicate things
that are simple (see my first comment above)... perhaps because you find
anyone who calls changing rolls of toilet paper _simple_ is mistaken, and
you consider it a complicated procedure which cannot be performed in
a _simplistic_ manner. Tell me, do you always insure the roll exits over
the top... or from the bottom?
Further, you will find that the word simplistic most certainly does REFER
to "simplicity" in contradiction to euro's words. Since you need only
look to the definition to find that it does. Looking at the definition itself,
which says "Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
You do know what the word _refer_ means? Or are you going to try
and _complicate_ that, as well.
<clip more hysterical raving ignorance from Louise... arguing that anyone
who would claim changing toilet rolls is _simple_, is being simplistic>
PV
>
>w00f
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> ?????
>
> euro replied --
> "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". Once
> again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
>
> I replied --
> ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
>
> "1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
> "2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
>
> Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to
"simplicity."
> See --
Once again, PV caught red-handed transforming what others said to what he
thinks/believes/would like they have said.
Simplistic may pertain (i.e. relate to, with a common origin) to "simple" or
"simplicity", but what I wrote ("Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and
doesn't refer to "simplicity") remains true. Simplistic has a meaning that
is different from simple or simplicity.
Taken from the Cambridge International Dictionary:
(http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=73760&dict=CALD)
"simplistic (adjective ) = making something complicated seem simple by
ignoring important parts of it:
They are taking a disgracefully simplistic point of view about the war."
And, frankly speaking, it is very true that your simplistic mind makes you
systematically distort what others say.
Euro
dirtdog
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> ?????
>>
>> euro replied --
>> "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". Once
>> again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
>>
>> I replied --
>> ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
>>
>> "1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
>> "2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
>>
>> Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to
>"simplicity."
>> See --
>
>Once again, PV caught red-handed transforming what others said to what he
>thinks/believes/would like they have said.
Did you not realise, Euro, that it is not necessary to catch FW
'lying'.
His abysmal track record of telling the most blatant porky pies means
that when FW types, the maxim of res ipsa loquitur is invoked and it
is presumed that his statement is not truthful.
It is for FW to prove that he is _not_ lying, it is not for you to
prove that he is.
w00f
Spike
<dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> blurted:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:12:43 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> ?????
>>>
>>> euro replied --
>>> "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". Once
>>> again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
>>>
>>> I replied --
>>> ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
>>>
>>> "1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
>>> "2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
>>>
>>> Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to
>>"simplicity."
>>> See --
>>
>>Once again, PV caught red-handed transforming what others said to what he
>>thinks/believes/would like they have said.
>
>
>Did you not realise, Euro, that it is not necessary to catch FW
>'lying'.
fucking right. You only got to see a post by him and you can guarantee
it
>
>His abysmal track record of telling the most blatant porky pies means
>that when FW types, the maxim of res ipsa loquitur is invoked and it
>is presumed that his statement is not truthful.
>
>It is for FW to prove that he is _not_ lying, it is not for you to
>prove that he is.
>
>w00f
-
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:ps4cavod1kirvll1h...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:08:32 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What _right_ do you have to remain above insult when you make a statement
>> that you, yourself, agree is a STUPID OXYMORON, such as "legal murder"?
>
>Once again, PV caught red-handed distorting others' views. I never agreed
>"legal murder" was a "stupid oxymoron". I said it was an oxymoron, full
>point.
Every oxymoron is _stupid_. Purposely so. They are categorized as superficial,
self-contradictory and absurd. Presumably to _make a point_. So you contend
you were being PURPOSELY superficial, self-contradictory and absurd, to try
and make such a point. Good for you... you achieved your purpose. It goes along
with the rest of your methods that are also superficial, self-contradictory and
absurd, but that you presume are not oxymoronic. Which makes your posts
totally irrelevant as to meaningful content.
There is no denying your deceptive methods, since the DP is NOT murder.
Murder provides no trial, no jury, no sentence, no due process. The U.S.
DP provides each of those procedures. Murder is UNLAWFUL. The DP
is LAWFUL. Plain and simple. And it demonstrates why you insulted me
and claimed I had a "simplistic mind." Because you would much rather try to
use DECEPTION, as you do with your "stupid oxymoron," rather than face
the SIMPLE truth that they are impossible to be seen as anything other than
different concepts totally. With one being the CAUSE, and the other being
the possible EFFECT.
> Oxymora are commonly used in English and I can't see under which
>biased standard one could label them as "stupid". Other frequent oxymora in
>English are expressions like "deafening silence" or "mournful optimist".
>
If you do not consider comments which are characterized as superficial,
self-contradictory and absurd as stupid, then I understand your confusion.
And it explains much about your posting style.
>The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler", one
>expression that suits you quite well.
>
Ah... but you _never_ insult, do you? You childish preening hypocrite.
PV
>Euro
>
FuckWit`s Frenchie Wife
<snip>
> Here is a picture of FW:
> http://home.achilles.net/~howardm/steptoe/steptoe.shtml
'Scrunchy-face'!!!
Btw, it seems the light-dwellers have done you up like a kipper again, James!!
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:cpilavsa7dglb5a5a...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:57:53 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:ps4cavod1kirvll1h...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:08:32 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What _right_ do you have to remain above insult when you make a
statement
> >> that you, yourself, agree is a STUPID OXYMORON, such as "legal murder"?
> >
> >Once again, PV caught red-handed distorting others' views. I never agreed
> >"legal murder" was a "stupid oxymoron". I said it was an oxymoron, full
> >point.
>
> Every oxymoron is _stupid_. Purposely so. They are categorized as
superficial,
> self-contradictory and absurd. Presumably to _make a point_.
You're getting confused imposing your own opinions here. Likewise, I could
say:
"Every word you write is _stupid_. Purposely so. They are categorized as
superficial, self-contradictory and absurd. Presumably to _make a point_. "
And that would probably be more correct than what you wrote about oxymora.
> >The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler", one
> >expression that suits you quite well.
> >
> Ah... but you _never_ insult, do you? You childish preening hypocrite.
>
As a man sows, so shall he reap. You're only receiving from me what you
looked for, PV. It's up to you to have this stopped.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>On 22 Apr 2003 12:16:58 -0700, FitzHerb...@hotmail.com
>(FitzHerbert) blurted:
>
>>Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote in message news:<4i9aav8pojaftfi0a...@4ax.com>...
<mindless drivel between two Neanderthals clipped>
>>
>>> I am a grandfather
>>
>>My sympathies. :-)
>it's not as bad as you might think.
Maybe not for you... but it must be hell for your grandchildren to have YOU
for a grandfather. Have you taught them how to put cats in the microwave yet?
To _put them down_? You evil old shit.
PV
<rest of meandering rubbish clipped>
>-
>spike says -- "i suggested that you should be put down."
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ri7u9vom0rleat0756bgu0ddgjvhkstklu%404ax.com
>-
>Spike
A Planet Visitor
Actually it is for euro to _prove that he is not lying_, since he made the
first statement of presumed fact... that being his STATEMENT that
"Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". --
He must prove it doesn't... and of course, he cannot.
Prior to that this was the dialog --
euro said -- "Your simplistic mind makes you put me opinions I never had,
PV."
A statement what actually doesn't make any sense -- "you put me
opinions," is nonsense.
I replied -- "The important things are ALWAYS _simple_ in form, and
absent of complexity. You would hope to cloud that simplicity with
some of the most absurd logical conclusions I've ever seen here."
Saying nothing in respect to definitions, but making a statement that
"important things are ALWAYS simple." Being so because they
SHOULD be self-evident to a rational person. Which, of course,
excludes you, thus your need, as euro, to hope to cloud the issue
with meaningless drivel. As you tried to do with "mitigating circumstances,"
and as euro does with "legal murder." Even you should agree
that his words are nothing but nonsense.
He then presumed to try and define the word, in the statement
shown above. He must prove it is DEFINED as he stated.
And he cannot do so, since the definition contains the use of
"simples," and "simplicity."
PV
>w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
<snipped frenzied self-defence>
>thus your need, as euro, to hope to cloud the issue
>with meaningless drivel. As you tried to do with "mitigating circumstances,"
LOL!
Citing from _your own source_ 'clouds[s] the issue with meaningless
drivel'?
My God, you've lost the plot.
<snip>
w00f
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> ?????
>>
>> euro replied --
>> "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity". Once
>> again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
>>
>> I replied --
>> ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
>>
>> "1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
>> "2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
>>
>> Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to
>"simplicity."
>> See --
>
>Once again, PV caught red-handed transforming what others said to what he
>thinks/believes/would like they have said.
>
Once again... you intend to prove yourself to be a childish fruitcake,
unable to accept the fact that the definition of "simplistic" clearly implies
doing things in a simple fashion. But you said it did not. And you said
it did not imply simplicity, but it does.
>Simplistic may pertain (i.e. relate to, with a common origin) to "simple" or
>"simplicity", but what I wrote ("Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and
>doesn't refer to "simplicity") remains true. Simplistic has a meaning that
>is different from simple or simplicity.
>
No... your words never were true... thus they can hardly _remain true_.
>Taken from the Cambridge International Dictionary:
>(http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=73760&dict=CALD)
>
>"simplistic (adjective ) = making something complicated seem simple by
>ignoring important parts of it:
>They are taking a disgracefully simplistic point of view about the war."
>
>And, frankly speaking, it is very true that your simplistic mind makes you
>systematically distort what others say.
>
Frankly speaking... you're as stupid as a rock. You deny that it means
simple... yet provide a definition that states it is doing things simple.
The definitions make use of the word 'simple' when providing that definition.
Also see --
url:http://www.allwords.com/query.php?SearchType=0&Keyword=simplistic&Language=ENG&NLD=1&FRA=1&DEU=1&ITA=1&ESP=1&v=43078129
Simplistic -- "1. Of or pertaining to simples, or a simplist."
url:http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/wn?cmd=wn&word=simplistic
simplistic -- "unrealistically simple"
url:http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=simplistic
simplistic -- "oversimple."
url:http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=simplistic*1+0&dict=A
simplistic -- "simple but not effectively dealing with a real situation or problem"
url:http://www.onelook.com/?other=web1913&w=Simplistic
simplistic -- "Of or pertaining to simples, or a simplist."
url:http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=simplistic
simplistic -- "unrealistically simple."
url:http://www.askoxford.com/dictionary/simplistic
simplistic -- "excessively or affectedly simple"
In all cases it is DOING IT "simple." There is no other meaning.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:cpilavsa7dglb5a5a...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:57:53 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:ps4cavod1kirvll1h...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:08:32 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What _right_ do you have to remain above insult when you make a
>statement
>> >> that you, yourself, agree is a STUPID OXYMORON, such as "legal murder"?
>> >
>> >Once again, PV caught red-handed distorting others' views. I never agreed
>> >"legal murder" was a "stupid oxymoron". I said it was an oxymoron, full
>> >point.
>>
>> Every oxymoron is _stupid_. Purposely so. They are categorized as
>superficial,
>> self-contradictory and absurd. Presumably to _make a point_.
>
>You're getting confused imposing your own opinions here. Likewise, I could
>say:
>"Every word you write is _stupid_. Purposely so. They are categorized as
>superficial, self-contradictory and absurd. Presumably to _make a point_. "
>
I am providing the DEFINITION OF "oxymoron" from the OED. It is
"A rhetorical figure by which contradictory or incongruous terms are conjoined so as
to give point to the statement or expression; an expression, in its superficial or
literal meaning self-contradictory or absurd, but involving a point. "
See the words "superficial," "self-contradictory" and "absurd"? That is an
oxymoron... And that is what most of your comments contain.
Of course you can hold any opinion you wish in respect to my words. But
you ADMITTED you posted an oxymoron... and thus have ADMITTED
your words are superficial, self-contradictory or absurd. And in fact, despite
your denials, you expected to find agreement from others in that oxymoron.
Which was why you put it out there. Yet it remains a superficial,
self-contradictory and absurd comment. Clearly false... admittedly false...
and only having been experienced in Europe. Since all murder in the
U.S. is NOT legal.
>And that would probably be more correct than what you wrote about oxymora.
You idiot.
>
>> >The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler", one
>> >expression that suits you quite well.
>> >
>> Ah... but you _never_ insult, do you? You childish preening hypocrite.
>>
>
>As a man sows, so shall he reap. You're only receiving from me what you
>looked for, PV. It's up to you to have this stopped.
>
ROTFLMAO... As a man sows, so shall he reap!!! Jesus, I was totally
accurate when I noted you were still in your teens. You're the one who
admitted to posting an oxymoron. You're the one who reaps the whirlwind
in your stupidity. What makes you presume that I must first stop, so you
might be left standing with the last arrogant insult? Blood doesn't wash
away blood, as you believe it can.
PV
>Euro
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:0fmpavge7u136v53g...@4ax.com...
Not at all. According to your definition, an oxymoron is "an expression, in
its superficial or literal meaning self-contradictory or absurd, but
involving a point. "
Oxymora are not by themselves contradictory or absurd. They are only
contradictory or absurd in their superficial or literal meaning, but they do
make a point.
Only those who can't go beyond the superficial or literal meaning of an
expression would end up saying that oxymora are absurd without seeing the
point they actually make.
I hope you won't feel targeted by this last sentence.
> And in fact, despite
> your denials, you expected to find agreement from others in that oxymoron.
> Which was why you put it out there. Yet it remains a superficial,
> self-contradictory and absurd comment. Clearly false... admittedly
false...
> and only having been experienced in Europe. Since all murder in the
> U.S. is NOT legal.
>
> >And that would probably be more correct than what you wrote about
oxymora.
>
> You idiot.
> >
> >> >The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler",
one
> >> >expression that suits you quite well.
> >> >
> >> Ah... but you _never_ insult, do you? You childish preening hypocrite.
> >>
> >
> >As a man sows, so shall he reap. You're only receiving from me what you
> >looked for, PV. It's up to you to have this stopped.
> >
> ROTFLMAO... As a man sows, so shall he reap!!! Jesus, I was totally
> accurate when I noted you were still in your teens. You're the one who
> admitted to posting an oxymoron. You're the one who reaps the whirlwind
> in your stupidity. What makes you presume that I must first stop,
Because you were the one who began... and you are the one who continues
insulting. Just a few lines above, didn't you use the word "idiot"?
so you
> might be left standing with the last arrogant insult? Blood doesn't wash
> away blood, as you believe it can.
LOL!!! So glad you told that: "blod doesn't wash away blood".
You should meditate this more often in the context of your unconditional
support to death penalty.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:d5lpavkmapm0t3fjq...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:12:43 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> ?????
> >>
> >> euro replied --
> >> "Simplistic" doesn't mean "simple" and doesn't refer to "simplicity".
Once
> >> again a proof of your defectuous intellect."
> >>
> >> I replied --
> >> ROTFLMAO.... From the OED -- SIMPLISTIC --
> >>
> >> "1. Of or pertaining to a simplist or to simples."
> >> "2. Of the nature of, or characterized by, (extreme) simplicity."
> >>
> >> Simplistic most certainly pertains to things "simple," and to
> >"simplicity."
> >> See --
> >
> >Once again, PV caught red-handed transforming what others said to what he
> >thinks/believes/would like they have said.
> >
> Once again... you intend to prove yourself to be a childish fruitcake,
> unable to accept the fact that the definition of "simplistic" clearly
implies
> doing things in a simple fashion. But you said it did not. And you said
> it did not imply simplicity, but it does.
You're just too simplistic to understand, PV. Or, if you like it better (and
I'm ready to give credit to your argument that simplistic means simple),
you're simple-minded.
Euro
Spike
blurted:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:21:07 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>>On 22 Apr 2003 12:16:58 -0700, FitzHerb...@hotmail.com
>>(FitzHerbert) blurted:
>>
>>>Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote in message news:<4i9aav8pojaftfi0a...@4ax.com>...
>
><mindless drivel between two Neanderthals clipped>
>
>>>
>>>> I am a grandfather
>>>
>>>My sympathies. :-)
>
>>it's not as bad as you might think.
>
>Maybe not for you... but it must be hell for your grandchildren to have YOU
>for a grandfather.
my grandkids love me
>Have you taught them how to put cats in the microwave yet?
no and i aint likely too you animal murdering scum
>To _put them down_? You evil old shit.
you need putting down you sick fuck
>
>PV
>
><rest of meandering rubbish clipped>
>
>>-
>>spike says -- "i suggested that you should be put down."
>url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ri7u9vom0rleat0756bgu0ddgjvhkstklu%404ax.com
>>-
>>Spike
-
danh
news:3ead15a3$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> ??????:0fmpavge7u136v53g...@4ax.com...
[Snip carloads of crap.]
> > Blood doesn't wash
> > away blood, as you believe it can.
>
> LOL!!! So glad you told that: "blod doesn't wash away blood".
>
> You should meditate this more often in the context of your unconditional
> support to death penalty.
I agree with your statement except that PV does not unconditionally support
the dp. He's a bit over the top, IMO, but is much baited by resident
masters. Perhaps Euro should meditate upon the absurdity of his
unconditional opposition to the dp. Euro is unable to differentiate between
near complete rejection of the dp and unconditional support for the dp.
Pragmatic opposition to the dp means understanding that the unconditional
vocal opposition to the dp is as foolish as the unconditional vocal
advocates are meanspirited and incapable of recognizing that death is not
the sole answer to murderers.
Euro
"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
??????:b8jkeq$cih$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
The trouble is, danh, that death isn't at all an answer to murderers.
Besides, no one can establish an undisputable limit between murderers who
should receive death and those who shouldn't.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <3eadc18f$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
Euro
===============================
Oh yes we can...and have Euro. It is well documented. Do you think you can find
it?
A Planet Visitor
>"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3ead15a3$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> ??????:0fmpavge7u136v53g...@4ax.com...
>
>[Snip carloads of crap.]
>
>> > Blood doesn't wash
>> > away blood, as you believe it can.
>>
>> LOL!!! So glad you told that: "blod doesn't wash away blood".
>>
>> You should meditate this more often in the context of your unconditional
>> support to death penalty.
>
>I agree with your statement except that PV does not unconditionally support
>the dp.
Erm... dan... not that I wish to make a big thing about this... but how
can you both AGREE with his statement, and then state "except" that
I do "not unconditionally support the DP"? Since the entire content of his
statement was asserting that I DO give "unconditional support to death
penalty."
Am I missing something here?
To be clear... you are correct in your assessment of my views... I do
NOT "unconditionally support the DP." I am probably closer to
being an abolitionist than any other retentionist member of this group,
excepting your good self, who I sometimes believe to be an abolitionist
already. Although euro is rather hypocritical, since I believe he gives
_unconditional OPPOSITION to the DP_. Thus presuming that his
view is somehow superior to anyone holding another view. I can
certainly see a social condition that would cause me to change my
support for the DP. I am relatively certain that he is unable to see a
social condition in which he would support the DP.
And of course... "blood doesn't wash away blood" is a Persian saying,
in respect to revenge. Which euro feels every insult demands another
in return, even if he provides the most Kindergarten kind of stuff...the
"you are," "no... you are," "NO... you are," increasing only in volume,
simply repeating the same insult and throwing it back, without the
slightest bit of originality or an ability to respond rationally.
<rest clipped>
PV
>
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
??????:20030428211706...@mb-m07.aol.com...
You overlooked the word "undisputable".
Euro
Desmond Coughlan
{ snip }
> > Oh yes we can...and have Euro. It is well documented. Do you think you can
> find
> > it?
> You overlooked the word "undisputable".
What did you expect, Euro ... it has more than one syllable.
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
Yamaha YZF-R1
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:42bsav4ils5p69t3i...@4ax.com...(snipped)
>
> And of course... "blood doesn't wash away blood" is a Persian saying,
> in respect to revenge. Which euro feels every insult demands another
> in return, even if he provides the most Kindergarten kind of stuff...the
> "you are," "no... you are," "NO... you are," increasing only in volume,
> simply repeating the same insult and throwing it back, without the
> slightest bit of originality or an ability to respond rationally.
I have been ignoring your continuous insults for more than one year before I
began replying this way. That may not be the best reply, as I already told
to Jigsaw, but I don't see why I should just keep ignoring these insults and
producing rational arguments in front of someone who is so hysterical that
at times he can't even understand why human rights can't apply to animals.
Or, should I say, someone who believes there is a "right to life" when it
comes to justifying a ban on abortion but calls me names when I use the same
argument to justify a ban on death penalty.
Euro
Desmond Coughlan
> > And of course... "blood doesn't wash away blood" is a Persian saying,
> > in respect to revenge. Which euro feels every insult demands another
> > in return, even if he provides the most Kindergarten kind of stuff...the
> > "you are," "no... you are," "NO... you are," increasing only in volume,
> > simply repeating the same insult and throwing it back, without the
> > slightest bit of originality or an ability to respond rationally.
> I have been ignoring your continuous insults for more than one year before I
> began replying this way. That may not be the best reply, as I already told
> to Jigsaw, but I don't see why I should just keep ignoring these insults and
> producing rational arguments in front of someone who is so hysterical that
> at times he can't even understand why human rights can't apply to animals.
>
> Or, should I say, someone who believes there is a "right to life" when it
> comes to justifying a ban on abortion but calls me names when I use the same
> argument to justify a ban on death penalty.
It starts out that way, Euro: with people trying to respect FW. As he
calls everyone who agrees with him a 'moron', or a 'looney', or
'mental', or 'evil', or a 'goblin', and brandishes his crucifix aloft,
whilst claiming, 'natural rights cannot exist without a creator, you
spastic !', it is impossible to reason with him. As his lack of
formal education torments him, and drives him to use words that he
received in his Oxford Word of the Day e-mail, in an attempt to appear
erudite, the only reactions he elicits now are disgust, and amusement
at his latest gimmicks.
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
Yamaha YZF-R1
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
danh
news:42bsav4ils5p69t3i...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:21:27 -0400, "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com> wrote:
>
> >"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:3ead15a3$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
> >> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >> ??????:0fmpavge7u136v53g...@4ax.com...
> >
> >[Snip carloads of crap.]
> >
> >> > Blood doesn't wash
> >> > away blood, as you believe it can.
> >>
> >> LOL!!! So glad you told that: "blod doesn't wash away blood".
> >>
> >> You should meditate this more often in the context of your
unconditional
> >> support to death penalty.
> >
> >I agree with your statement except that PV does not unconditionally
support
> >the dp.
>
> Erm... dan... not that I wish to make a big thing about this... but how
> can you both AGREE with his statement, and then state "except" that
> I do "not unconditionally support the DP"? Since the entire content of
his
> statement was asserting that I DO give "unconditional support to death
> penalty."
>
> Am I missing something here?
Mea culpa - I was referring to the "blood" comment, which I agree with.
Blood for blood does not equate with justice. Sometimes balancing of the
the judicial scales can only be achieved via execution, but rarely. I've
noted those cases that are candidates for such treatment.
> To be clear... you are correct in your assessment of my views... I do
> NOT "unconditionally support the DP." I am probably closer to
> being an abolitionist than any other retentionist member of this group,
> excepting your good self, who I sometimes believe to be an abolitionist
> already.
It's interesting how merely changing who I respond to has changed the
perception of my position. In the past, I've largely debated with those who
hold the view that the dp is a regular, normal, acceptable course of
action - which has won me the enmity of many. I don't however have much
patience with those who proclaim absolutes from the opposition side, as Euro
has found.
Although euro is rather hypocritical, since I believe he gives
> _unconditional OPPOSITION to the DP_. Thus presuming that his
> view is somehow superior to anyone holding another view. I can
> certainly see a social condition that would cause me to change my
> support for the DP. I am relatively certain that he is unable to see a
> social condition in which he would support the DP.
Euro's position is that he would never support a decision to execute (though
oddly, he doesn't mind if others pay the consequences for his blindness).
Alway never is a fool's paradise. I'm a pragmatist. We don't have the
tools to implement safe imprisonment for some offenders without also
violating their basic civil rights and until we do, I'm unwilling to accept
that we should risk the lives of others (inmates, guards, Euro) for the sake
of inhumanely treating inmates who are a perennial danger and a false
"moral" stand.
> And of course... "blood doesn't wash away blood" is a Persian saying,
> in respect to revenge. Which euro feels every insult demands another
> in return, even if he provides the most Kindergarten kind of stuff...the
> "you are," "no... you are," "NO... you are," increasing only in volume,
> simply repeating the same insult and throwing it back, without the
> slightest bit of originality or an ability to respond rationally.
I've found it near impossible to have a dialog with Euro since he fails to
acknowledge that every choice has consequences and limitations. Standing on
a pedestal proclaiming one's own superiority is the mark of a fool.
danh
The correct phrasing of your sentence would be that "death isn't an answer
to all murderers". Your persistent proclaiming that the dp is always never
appropriate only underlines that extreme political posturing is nothing more
than bigotry in drag.
> Besides, no one can establish an undisputable limit between murderers who
> should receive death and those who shouldn't.
Of course establishing that _anything_ is indisputable is not possible. It
is however, possible to carefully and narrow define what circumstances would
qualify one for a death sentence, just as is done for prison sentences or
probation. The existence of a single voice of dissent ought not dictate
societal policy in a balanced democracy. Note the use of the word
"balanced". Democracy itself is not necessarily the sole criterion for
establishing policy - in order to have democracy in which the rights of
individuals are protected, we use some fairly undemocratic strictures - i.e.
the Bill of Rights.
Euro
"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
??????:b8m5hd$h1p$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
That's not bigotry. Not more than those who argue that torture or slavery
are never appropriate measures. Saying that is actually just as hypocritical
as trying to convince others that you are an abolitionist in "certain"
conditions but actually staunchly oppose any move towards abolition.
Pragmaticism, when it results in bargainings on human rights, isn't a more
"progressive" or "acceptable" stance.
> > Besides, no one can establish an undisputable limit between murderers
who
> > should receive death and those who shouldn't.
>
> Of course establishing that _anything_ is indisputable is not possible.
It
> is however, possible to carefully and narrow define what circumstances
would
> qualify one for a death sentence, just as is done for prison sentences or
> probation. The existence of a single voice of dissent ought not dictate
> societal policy in a balanced democracy. Note the use of the word
> "balanced". Democracy itself is not necessarily the sole criterion for
> establishing policy - in order to have democracy in which the rights of
> individuals are protected, we use some fairly undemocratic strictures -
i.e.
> the Bill of Rights.
>
The problem isn't the existence of voices of dissent, Danh. The problem is
how to make sure that the limit you set can be implemented to every
particular case with no inequity. This is impossible with any justice
punishment. Hence the necessity to only keep reversible punishments, as only
these can ensure that any damage or inequity be repaired.
Euro
Euro
"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
??????:b8m48k$3qo$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
Too bad it's roughly your position. Shall I recall you the terms you used in
asking me to present valid opinions?
Euro
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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Dolly Coughlan Jr, the legend continues!
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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A Planet Visitor
LOL. Your deceptive methods come through loud and clear. You say
they are not "by themselves...." and then you say "they are..." Whether
they "make a point" is not the question. They ARE contradictory or absurd.
By definition. That is their PURPOSE. You simply throw around the words
"superficial or literal meaning," and believe you have said something... but
you have not. Do you go to a dictionary... pick out a few words you think
might apply, and post them smugly, presuming you have said something?
>Only those who can't go beyond the superficial or literal meaning of an
>expression would end up saying that oxymora are absurd without seeing the
>point they actually make.
>
Rubbish. You were trying to DEFINE execution as murder. You now need
to try and cover your tracks... and argue you were making an oxymoron point.
Because the statement you made CANNOT be supported logically. I
would ask directly, without you hiding behind pretending you are offering
an oxymoron to make a point --
1) Is the DP legal?
2) Is murder legal?
3) Can something in law be BOTH legal and not legal?
4) Thus - can the DP be murder?
Can you actually answer those four questions without recognizing how stupid
your oxymoron is?
>I hope you won't feel targeted by this last sentence.
>
Considering the source... it is impossible for me to be concerned.
>> And in fact, despite
>> your denials, you expected to find agreement from others in that oxymoron.
>> Which was why you put it out there. Yet it remains a superficial,
>> self-contradictory and absurd comment. Clearly false... admittedly
>> false...
>> and only having been experienced in Europe. Since all murder in the
>> U.S. is NOT legal.
>>
>> >And that would probably be more correct than what you wrote about
>oxymora.
>>
>> You idiot.
>> >
>> >> >The contrary of an oxymoron is a pleonasm, like "crooked swindler",
>one
>> >> >expression that suits you quite well.
>> >> >
>> >> Ah... but you _never_ insult, do you? You childish preening hypocrite.
>> >>
>> >
>> >As a man sows, so shall he reap. You're only receiving from me what you
>> >looked for, PV. It's up to you to have this stopped.
>> >
>> ROTFLMAO... As a man sows, so shall he reap!!! Jesus, I was totally
>> accurate when I noted you were still in your teens. You're the one who
>> admitted to posting an oxymoron. You're the one who reaps the whirlwind
>> in your stupidity. What makes you presume that I must first stop,
>
>Because you were the one who began... and you are the one who continues
>insulting. Just a few lines above, didn't you use the word "idiot"?
>
Because you are one. That's not an insult. It's a statement of fact.
>>so you
>> might be left standing with the last arrogant insult? Blood doesn't wash
>> away blood, as you believe it can.
>
>LOL!!! So glad you told that: "blod doesn't wash away blood".
>
Actually, it is a Persian saying of unknown attribution. I was simply
trying to educate you... since you are in grave need of it.
>You should meditate this more often in the context of your unconditional
>support to death penalty.
>
Which shows how little you actually know about me, or my views.
Since my support for the DP is certainly not unconditional. While your
opposition to it IS, if I'm not mistaken (if I am mistaken, perhaps you
can say under what social conditions you would support the DP,
since I can surely tell you under what conditions I would oppose it).
All that really says... is that YOU are the fanatic... not me. And I
cannot STAND FANATICS. They have been the bane of our species,
and continue to be, IMHO. If one presumes that God has provided
him the _light_, and nothing will _change his mind_, ignorance will
rule.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
LOL...euro... ever the unbearable... squeaks a bit, and says _I don't want the
cheese, anymore. I just want to get out of the trap_. And then provides his
typical parting insult. What a fruitcake (that's an insult, BTW).
PV
>Euro
>
danh
> "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
> ??????:b8m5hd$h1p$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
[...]
> > The correct phrasing of your sentence would be that "death isn't an
answer
> > to all murderers". Your persistent proclaiming that the dp is always
> never
> > appropriate only underlines that extreme political posturing is nothing
> more
> > than bigotry in drag.
>
> That's not bigotry. Not more than those who argue that torture or slavery
> are never appropriate measures. Saying that is actually just as
hypocritical
> as trying to convince others that you are an abolitionist in "certain"
> conditions but actually staunchly oppose any move towards abolition.
Demonstrating once again that you don't know jack.
> Pragmaticism, when it results in bargainings on human rights, isn't a more
> "progressive" or "acceptable" stance.
Only in your narrow minded world. When have you met with state legislators
to hone the range of penalties down? When have you succeeded in improving
the conditions for death row inmates, making available more funding for
appeals, more access to legal materials or gaining visibility for death row
inmates' cases?
> > > Besides, no one can establish an undisputable limit between murderers
> who
> > > should receive death and those who shouldn't.
> >
> > Of course establishing that _anything_ is indisputable is not possible.
> It
> > is however, possible to carefully and narrow define what circumstances
> would
> > qualify one for a death sentence, just as is done for prison sentences
or
> > probation. The existence of a single voice of dissent ought not dictate
> > societal policy in a balanced democracy. Note the use of the word
> > "balanced". Democracy itself is not necessarily the sole criterion for
> > establishing policy - in order to have democracy in which the rights of
> > individuals are protected, we use some fairly undemocratic strictures -
> i.e.
> > the Bill of Rights.
>
> The problem isn't the existence of voices of dissent, Danh. The problem is
> how to make sure that the limit you set can be implemented to every
> particular case with no inequity. This is impossible with any justice
> punishment. Hence the necessity to only keep reversible punishments, as
only
> these can ensure that any damage or inequity be repaired.
You might want to refer to the case of Kenneth McDuff who was sentenced to
death under the pre-Furman laws, had his death sentence commuted and
promptly upon his parole 15 or so years later, went on a 3 year killing
spree. This is to say nothing about his behavior while in prison. Refer
to: http://hallmemoirs.com/specific_groups/220.shtml for more details.
"[F]rom 1965 to 1992, McDuff had been arrested for burglary, sent to prison,
paroled, arrested for three brutal murders while on parole, convicted of
first-degree murder, sent back to prison and placed on death row, taken off
of death row, convicted of a felony while in prison, paroled, arrested for
making terroristic threats while on parole, sent back to prison, paroled
again, arrested for driving while intoxicated while on parole, put in jail,
released from jail, placed on probation, arrested for public intoxication
while on parole and probation, arrested for murder while on parole and
probation again, and finally, put back on death row."
Please explain what inequity existed in his case(s)? What "damage" did the
state do to him that needed to be "repaired"? What benefit derived from his
imprisonment in lieu of execution? What meaningful justification exists for
housing in perpetuity, a man who's committed 8 murders and would happily
kill again? Please identify the humanity you find in such a person.
French Ribbon Clerk
wrote:
{ snip on Kenneth McDuff }
> Please explain what inequity existed in his case(s)? What "damage" did the
> state do to him that needed to be "repaired"? What benefit derived from his
> imprisonment in lieu of execution? What meaningful justification exists for
> housing in perpetuity, a man who's committed 8 murders and would happily
> kill again? Please identify the humanity you find in such a person.
I can certainly find none ... but that does not mean that there _is_
none.
danh
news:49kvav441c31pric6...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:01:09 -0400, "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
> wrote:
>
> { snip on Kenneth McDuff }
>
> > Please explain what inequity existed in his case(s)? What "damage" did
the
> > state do to him that needed to be "repaired"? What benefit derived from
his
> > imprisonment in lieu of execution? What meaningful justification exists
for
> > housing in perpetuity, a man who's committed 8 murders and would happily
> > kill again? Please identify the humanity you find in such a person.
>
> I can certainly find none ... but that does not mean that there _is_
> none.
I'd agree that there may have been some redeeming value, but am hard pressed
to find even a smidgen of worth in him. He apparently also felt this way -
his final words were "release me".
McDuff's was the case that precipitated many of TX's draconian measures and
the reason why there is such a dearth of compassion for less dangerous
murderers. Sadly, due either to the size of the US population or something
about the culture, notable and dangerous killers are found in greater
numbers than elsewhere. Not dealing with them effectively is not something
the US population has shown itself willing to do. As with any policy, there
are others who are damaged, which is why I advocate a careful restriction on
the use of the dp. While I'd like to see no need for the dp, convincing a
majority when McDuffs can be pointed to, is unlikely. I'll take reducing
the death row population by 95% as a good first step until then.
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<FRC_Spnak...@noos.fr> writes:
>Subject: Re: It`s FuckWit Patented Gimmick Housey!
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Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:ukpuav40j2cnkrhcp...@4ax.com...
You're wrong. That's all the question. Executions are legal murders and
saying this does make a point.
> >Only those who can't go beyond the superficial or literal meaning of an
> >expression would end up saying that oxymora are absurd without seeing the
> >point they actually make.
> >
> Rubbish. You were trying to DEFINE execution as murder.
Once again, PV caught red-handed twisting others' opinions. I never tried to
define executions as murders. I only said they are legal murders, which is
substantially different. If hearing that is unbearable to you, that's not my
problem.
Euro
(remaining PV's hysteric verbal diarrhea snipped)
A Planet Visitor
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:08:39 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>blurted:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:21:07 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 22 Apr 2003 12:16:58 -0700, FitzHerb...@hotmail.com
>>>(FitzHerbert) blurted:
>>>
>>>>Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote in message news:<4i9aav8pojaftfi0a...@4ax.com>...
>>
>><mindless drivel between two Neanderthals clipped>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am a grandfather
>>>>
>>>>My sympathies. :-)
>>
>>>it's not as bad as you might think.
>>
>>Maybe not for you... but it must be hell for your grandchildren to have YOU
>>for a grandfather.
>
>my grandkids love me
No one believes you, spike. You have already claimed you would
hate them, and they would be perverts, if they had been born gays
(something they would have had no control over).
>>Have you taught them how to put cats in the microwave yet?
>
>no and i aint likely too you animal murdering scum
Oh... I think you're not to far from having such a _killer instinct_,
spike. After all, you made physical threats against me, and I'm
certainly less available than your cat. Perhaps another of your
psychotic episodes of believing you can change an imaginary
existence into a physical attack, might push you over the edge of
sanity, and you'd take it out on your cats. I can only presume
your mind is much closer to a murderer than I ever imagined.
Hoping to strike out in PHYSICAL rage, against an imaginary
presence of only words. I'd actually not suggest that ANY
living life form, including your wife, grandchildren or pet be around
you when you post to me... because I clearly drive you over the
edge of sanity, and cause you to display that _killer instinct_.
If you claim you want to physically attack me in THIS medium,
what might you do to those standing next to you?
I would hope you take this in the way it is intended... because
I'd much rather you seek rage therapy, to control that anger.
You simply MUST gain the strength to look in the mirror,
examine the pent-up rage you have inside of you, and find
help. There are a number of medications available to
help you.
>>To _put them down_? You evil old shit.
>
>you need putting down you sick fuck
>
See what I mean?
> spike says -- "i suggested that you should be put down."
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ri7u9vom0rleat0756bgu0ddgjvhkstklu%404ax.com
And now spike suggests it yet again... in his all-consuming rage.
>-
>Spike
A Planet Visitor
>
>"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
>??????:b8m5hd$h1p$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
>> "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3eadc18f$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> > "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
>> > ??????:b8jkeq$cih$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
>> > > "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:3ead15a3$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> > > > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> > > > ??????:0fmpavge7u136v53g...@4ax.com...
<clipped>
>> The correct phrasing of your sentence would be that "death isn't an answer
>> to all murderers". Your persistent proclaiming that the dp is always
>> never
>> appropriate only underlines that extreme political posturing is nothing
>> more than bigotry in drag.
>
>That's not bigotry. Not more than those who argue that torture or slavery
>are never appropriate measures.
Pardon me for sticking my nose in here... But....
Are you COMPARING the execution of proven murderers with
SLAVERY? Comparing the execution of those who murder, with
the subjugation of an entire race of INNOCENTS?
> Saying that is actually just as hypocritical
Yes, it is.
<clipped>
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:01:09 -0400, "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
>wrote:
>
>{ snip on Kenneth McDuff }
>
>> Please explain what inequity existed in his case(s)? What "damage" did the
>> state do to him that needed to be "repaired"? What benefit derived from his
>> imprisonment in lieu of execution? What meaningful justification exists for
>> housing in perpetuity, a man who's committed 8 murders and would happily
>> kill again? Please identify the humanity you find in such a person.
>
>I can certainly find none ... but that does not mean that there _is_
>none.
>
Thus... we can presume society could find none as well, and his execution
was justified, as he was devoid of humanity and would happily kill again.
PV
>---
>'brain tumor bob' Coughlan
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:m864bvc96ul8ukrud...@4ax.com...
I just mean to say that when you oppose slavery or torture, you oppose it in
all circumstances and that's not called bigotry.
I hence can't understand why opposition to death penalty in all
circumstances should be considered as bigotry.
And, in case you didn't understand, yes, indeed, in my view, opposition to
death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery. Natural.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
Again... you seem determined to be deceptive in your words. I am certainly
NOT in favor of a ban of abortion. And you will not find any comment from me
that suggests that. I am opposed to on-demand abortion. The fact that
you cannot see the difference speaks volumes to your inability to see the forest
from the trees. And it demonstrates how often you attempt to distort what I and
others say here, in your determined pursuit of a concept in respect to a 'right
to life,' that even you cannot articulate properly, without depending on
plagiarizing the words of others.
1) I am against murder... which is the conscious and deliberate decision of ONE
HUMAN to terminate the physical existence of another HUMAN in what is
defined to be murder in the law.
2) Similarly, I am against on-demand abortion.... which is the conscious and
deliberate decision of ONE HUMAN to terminate the physical existence of
the unborn fetus they are carrying.
3) I am NOT opposed to the FUNDAMENTAL concept of the DP in respect to
executing _a murderer_.
4) Similarly, I am NOT opposed to the FUNDAMENTAL concept of abortion in
respect to aborting _a fetus_.
5) I have no FUNDAMENTAL problem with my society justifying KILLING,
believing that various forms of killings CAN be justified. I have no problem with
my society determining whether the individual killing of one member of my society
by another was justifiable in certain senses, or an unavoidable accident. With my
society determining the ultimate reasoning behind each individual killing, in the
sense of recognizing whether it is lawful or unlawful.
6) Similarly, I have no FUNDAMENTAL problem with my society justifying
ABORTION, believing that certain abortions CAN be justified. I have no problem
with my society determining who among those carrying a fetus can justifiably have
an abortion. With my society determining the ultimate reasoning behind each
individual abortion, in the sense of recognizing whether it is necessary or
unnecessary.
7) I believe it would be immoral and senseless to presume or implement laws
regarding the DP which would expect that all murderers should be executed,
without regard to the circumstances or behavior of those murderers. I would
oppose any such draconian implementation of the DP in the U.S. Many
circumstances exist surrounding the crime of murder in which my society should
readily punish with other than the DP.
8) Similarly, I believe it would be immoral and senseless to presume or
implement laws regarding abortion which would expect that all abortions
should be illegal, and expect all fetuses to be carried to term. I would
oppose any such draconian implementation of a prohibition on abortions
in the U.S. Many circumstances exist in which my society should readily
permit an abortion.
Finally, I refuse to accept that the fetus is NOT LIFE. This is a rather
unacceptable condition that finds no place in my _moral framework_. The
fetus IS LIFE! And it has not MURDERED! And therein lies so much of
the difference between the murderer and the fetus. Those guilty of taking
life, and the beginning of life itself. What I see as valueless and what I see
as valuable. ---/ I believe that anyone who opposes the DP, but also supports
on-demand abortion is engaged in the greatest conspiracy of hypocrisy
since Judas sold his soul --- \ That is my firm, unshakable belief. They never
address the issue of directly answering if the fetus IS life, because they
consciously KNOW it is. So they must always avoid that question, and
instead counter with some silly claim of the 'sovereign right to their own
body,' of the carrier. As if anyone could go into a doctor's office and
ON-DEMAND the removal by amputation of the _viable right arm_ attached
to their body, because of such a 'sovereign right to their own body,' as they
now can go into a doctor's office and ON-DEMAND the removal by abortion
of the _viable fetus_ attached to their body. Anyone unable to grasp that
simple example, is trying to _paint a dead man's face red_, hoping others
believe he is still alive... to give the impression of truth to a lie. IMHO.
I have said it before -- I would, in an instant, trade my support for the DP
in the U.S., for laws which would require as least a minimal intervention
by my society in determining the necessity for abortion, consistent with the
needs of BOTH the carrier and the unborn fetus. With the life of the
carrier ALWAYS superior to the life of the unborn fetus if the carrier's
life is threatened by the continued gestation of the fetus, or certain
emotional issues provide justification for an abortion. Further, I am
not opposed to ANY form of non-invasive birth-control, including those
that induce the menstrual cycle, if the existence of a viable fetus has not
been recognized. If you think for one instant that I would compare the
execution of 849 of the most disgusting members of our species in 25
years, to the waste in innocent life in on-demand abortion in the U.S.,
a land of plenty that could easily absorb twice its present population
and benefit by such growth, you are gravely mistaken. I cannot speak
to the morality of other countries or societies. I must first look inward
toward mine, in both the argument of the DP and on-demand abortion.
In respect to on-demand abortion -- many countries do not enjoy the
opportunities for growth which exist in the U.S. because of over-population,
limited size, and insufficient resources/arable land. They certainly can
morally justify on-demand abortion as a means of limiting starvation,
poverty and over-population. I would never presume that they should
not provide a right for on-demand abortion given such extreme
circumstances which would result from simply more unfed mouths
if on-demand abortion were not permitted. In fact, I support efforts
from various U.S. and U.N. organizations which provide related works
toward controlling population growth in those areas.
In respect to the DP -- many countries do not experience the elevated
levels of violence and murder which exists in the U.S. I cannot speak
to presuming they would find the DP as suitable in their society as I
find it to be in mine. Truth be told -- I don't care if other societies spank
them, or send them to bed without supper as their punishment for having
murdered. What they do with murderers is their business. Should the
level of violence and murder be reduced in my society I would be more
amenable to abolishing the DP in the U.S. But excusing them ALL, at
the murder rate now experienced in the U.S. is unacceptable to me. The
reasons for this heightened violence and murder in my country would
consume an entire new post, and have been noted by me in many, many
posts here in the past, and I will not dwell on them again in this post.
Of course.. all IMHO.
Finally... end game -- I don't really GIVE A SHIT about those 849
murderers, when looking at even a week of on-demand abortion in the
U.S. After all they TOOK life... while the fetus IS LIFE!! To me those
849 are WORTHLESS. Others may believe that murderers provide
a "benefit" for our species, but I believe they are unable to articulate
what such a "benefit" is. Thus, for example, one hysterical poster found it
necessary to compare the "unemployed or ill" to murderers, claiming
they also have no "benefit," and another imbecile AGREED with him.
Another presumed that EVERYONE provided "benefit," but was
non-specific in respect to what "benefit" murderers provide. While
you found it necessary to presume that NONE of our species need
provide "benefit,' in your rather pathetic _defense_ of murderers, in
spite of the obvious flaws in any such argument, which presumes to
insult all those who have provided such "benefit," when we see how
far we have traveled since we first left the caves. I have no doubt
you would not enjoy being back in those caves.
Of course, I believe we have many flaws in our Justice System,
and many of those 849 murderers NEED NOT HAVE BEEN
EXECUTED. Suitable alternate penalties would probably have been
sufficient. We waste time, money and are perceived as less moral,
and often less concerned about human life by those opposed to the DP,
in not being more selective in who we SENTENCE to execution. In
my opinion, we should limit our executions to those murderers that one
would look almost silly to everyone, if they presumed we should not
have executed that particular murderer. Execute only those murderers
that we can easily justify executing, in the eyes of just about everyone.
I believe the standard for sentencing to execution should be raised, and
raised considerably. But ask me if I REALLY CARE... deep down...
and I would have to say, most especially in the context of on-demand
abortion... that I don't really GIVE A SHIT about those 849 murderers.
I have much larger fish to fry in respect to concerns about a presumed
'right to life.' Much of my opinions here, are not so much defending
the execution of those 849 murderers, but rather trying to put it into the
context that the DP should be seen as rather trivial in respect to those
larger issues. In any case, I find no reason to oppose the DP as a
concept which addresses the issue of murder. And no one here yet,
has mounted any form of argument which would convince me to
oppose it as a concept. Further, in respect to some European
contributors here, my belief is that much of the opposition to the
execution of those 849 proven murderers, is masking what is REALLY
behind such opposition... a rather vile, and detestable bigoted
anti-Americanism in general. I find much of that in your posts. Some
also may actually argue and even believe that murderers are SO
VALUABLE... but if they do so and ALSO argue that the fetus is
NOT VALUABLE, they are hypocrites, IMHO.
I refuse to accept that ONLY the INDIVIDUAL whim of the carrier
can totally determine the fate... either living or being sucked out as
garbage... of that unborn fetus. Just as I refuse to accept that ONLY
the whim of an INDIVIDUAL murderer can totally determine the
fate... the living or the dying... of their victim.
PV
>Euro
>
French Ribbon Clerk
wrote:
{ snip on Kenneth McDuff }
>> > Please identify the humanity you find in such a person.
> > I can certainly find none ... but that does not mean that there _is_
> > none.
> I'd agree that there may have been some redeeming value, but am hard pressed
> to find even a smidgen of worth in him. He apparently also felt this way -
> his final words were "release me".
Hmm. I can't see how 'release me' could be interpreted as recognition
of his few (or no) redeeming values. Perhaps, 'Wipe out this piece o'
shit', but 'release me' ?
{ snip }
French Ribbon Clerk
wrote:
{ snip usual long, meaningless fart, designed to introduce what
FuckWit fondly imagines is 'insightful comment' }
> 1) I am against murder... which is the conscious and deliberate decision of ONE
> HUMAN to terminate the physical existence of another HUMAN in what is
> defined to be murder in the law.
Unless the victim is a convicted murderer, in which case you don't
only not condemn their murders, but you _support_ them.
{ snip remainder of semi-literate spam, designed to terminate what
FuckWit fondly imagines is 'insightful comment' }
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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A Planet Visitor
wrote:
Another step forward for 'brain tumor bob,' in his recovery. He did
not mention a particular numbered gimmick, although he still made
reference to 'gimmicks.' Baby steps, 'bob'.... Baby steps.
And if you believe 'natural rights' exist, 'bob,' you do not understand the
meaning of 'natural.' Our rights are delimited by what we collectively
presume them to do.. and there is nothing 'natural' about it. Unless you
presume it in the sense of "One naturally deficient in intellect; a half-witted
person." In which case, YOU seem to be qualified to say so. Words
on paper do not MAKE it natural, 'bob.' It only makes it as natural as
anyone wishes it to be with their mind... the mind of Man. To be objectively
'natural' it requires a force other than Man (make your own imagination as
to that force -- A _creator_ or what you imagine is _nature_), as Man is
limited to only forming subjective thought. Further your actual words were --
"The right to life is a universal right. It transcends religion, time, and morals.
It cannot be abrogated."
Since when can something "transcend time"? If this "right to life" transcends time
why is the first human NOT STILL walking about? Actually time DID transcend
your presumed universal "right to life," in every instance of life that is no longer
a living life form. Your words are only clumsy inventions of your own mind, that
we've grown accustomed to seeing so frequently. Since if it "universal," it implies
that microbes have some "right to life." Nor is it arguable that murderers do not
abrogate such a "right to life" of other humans at their pleasure using THEIR
OWN individual "authority" they consider supreme as they commit that act
of murder. They consider themselves ABOVE any edict from any source.
Abolishing by their own authority any presumed _right to life_ of their
victim. They are no longer beholden to any "authority" from any source
other than themselves. Further, you fail to realize that if there is a "universal"
right to life that could not be "abrogated," the food chain guarantees the end
of every living organism that preys on other living organisms... including homo
sapiens. Your words are so imprecise and ambilevous (heh... my Oxford
word of the day -look it up, 'bob'), that they should shame you, rather then
have you believe you have said something profound. Look at your words
again. Admit they are clumsy... _Abrogate_ them by your own authority, and
rewrite them in clear, precise English. I'm waiting....
None of the above implies I believe a creator did provide such an
unbelievable thing as a "universal right to life." It simply is irrelevant to the
idea. With or without a creator, it is obvious that nature did not provide a
"Universal right to life." If such a creator exists, He cares NOTHING
about your life, my life, human life, or ANY form of biological life in a
particular sense. If a creator exists He concerns himself with larger issues
than the protection of murderers under the guise of a synthetic invention
called a "universal right to life." Nor obviously does nature care... things
live, things die, with no particular rhyme or reason. Thus, the idea can only
come from the mind of Man. And so, it can only be the arrogance of
Man himself that takes such liberties with our existence. The entire chain
of history bears that out. If there is such a right... why does ANY biological
life form ever die? What terminates that presumed _right_? Nature
provides only an urge to survive, consistent with evolution, which might find
its roots in a creator. I say "might," since it is unknowable as to the first cause
of that biological urge. Other than without it, we would not be here to argue
the point. But having an _urge to survive_ does not imply a _right to survive_,
anymore than a murderer having an _urge to murder_, could imply he has
a _right to murder_. Nowhere is there any right to life for any INDIVIDUAL
biological entity, or a specific species. In fact, only Man can even articulate
that belief. Other animals certainly don't concern themselves with that concept.
But being able to articulate that belief... does not make it so. It simply means
Man's fertile mind has used that self-created principle to ENHANCE his urge
to survive. Nothing _natural_ or _universal_ about it as a right... but a
biological urge existing in ALL forms of life... not only Man. yet only Man
presumes his _urge to survive_ gives him the _right to survive_ as well.
A Planet Visitor
ROTFLMAO... Look at the words you've written just before -- "Executions
ARE legal murders." You are MOST CERTAINLY trying to DEFINE executions
as murders -- LEGAL MURDERS.
>I only said they are legal murders, which is substantially different.
No, it's not. You are most certainly trying to DEFINE executions as murders.
You have simply also tried to define murders as legal. You are in fact, wrong
in both cases... but do not try and lie and say you weren't trying to DEFINE
executions as murder -- legal murder. You cannot change the meaning of
your words... anymore than you could argue that "a fat man," is NOT a
"man." See my other post.
> If hearing that is unbearable to you, that's not my problem.
Of course it's not... your problems are much more extensive... and involve a
complete realignment of your emotional, intellectual and moral framework..
>Euro
>
>(remaining PV's hysteric verbal diarrhea snipped)
>
You really should try learning another insult, euro... keep these for your future
use --
Every time I make my posts idiot-proof -- euro goes and prove himself a
better idiot.
Apparently your DNA has gone amok again, euro.
It might look like you're posting words, euro... but at the cellular level
there's nothing much going on.
It seems that your claim to an _intellect_ is bolstered by your claim that
you can quote scenes from any Monty Python movie
Please, God... tell me you haven't REALLY allowed euro to breed.
You're really not so much of a has-been, but more definitely a never-was.
The only time that you puts effort into your posts, is when you are cornered
like a rat in a trap.
When you opens your mouth, it seems it is only to change whichever
foot was previously there.
It was "nature," not "nurture" that did you in, euro... since you didn't actually
'become' a worthless shit. You always were one.
You think "proletariat" is a type of cheese.
You think "badinage" is what you put on a wound.
Nothing short of an exorcism can usually salvage anything from euro's
posts..
Scientists have discovered that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of
the remnents of euro's lost arguments.
They threw away the wrong part at your bris, euro.
Reading your posts brings forth an urgent need for me to look for
a weed-wacker.
When euro was a kid.. his parents moved a lot. But he always
found them.
euro lies.. but it doesn't matter... because nobody listens.
Thinking - in any form - is alien to euro.
You like to think you have an _open mind_.. but there appears to be
just a 'vacancy' sign posted on your forehead.
you'd be out of your intellectual depth in a parking lot puddle, euro.
You should try not to let your mind wander, euro. It's too small to be
out by itself.
I have things in my refrigerator that are smarter than you, euro.
euro! Just because you have one, doesn't mean you have to be one.
Jesus loves you, euro... but everyone else thinks you're an asshole.
euro -- Your proctologist called, they found your hat.
euro has delusions of adequacy.
euro = living proof that intergalactic breeding is possible.
you sets low personal standards, euro... and then consistently fail to achieve
them.
You're depriving a village somewhere of an idiot, euro.
You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, euro.
Nor are you even the sharpest tool in the shed.
You apparently got into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't watching.
one-celled organisms outscore you in IQ tests.
euro's got a full 6-pack, but lacks the plastic thingy to hold it together.
You're a gross ignoramus, euro - 144 times more than an ordinary ignoramus.
You appear to have a photographic memory but the lens cover is glued on.
You seem to be a prime candidate for natural de-selection, euro.
You seem to have donated your brain to science before you were done using it.
You must have fell out of the family tree, euro.
Your posts would suggests that the gates are down, the lights are flashing,
but the train isn't coming.
You appear to need two brains: since one is lost; you will need the other to
go out looking for it.
If brains were taxed, you'd get a refund.
If you were any more stupid, you'd have to be watered twice a week.
It's hard to believe you beat out 1,000,000 other sperm.
euro is obviously one neuron short of a synapse.
Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, obviously you only gargled.
Your wheel is turning, but the hamster seems to be dead, euro.
Since my last post to euro, he's apparently reached rock bottom and has
started to dig.
euro's 'truths' are as easily broken as any of the ten commandments.
They had to burn the school down to get you out of third grade.
You're rather fortunate, euro.. as there is no restriction on posting here,
by those outside of our species.
euro doesn't suffer from insanity; he seems to be enjoying every minute of it.
euro believes he is as the pigeon in flight posting here... but he's actually only
the statue for others.
Euro's Reality Check bounced.
Stupidity got you into this mess, euro - but do not think that it can also
get you out.
euro's posts and diapers have one thing in common. They should
both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
You know how it is when you're reading a book and falling asleep,
you're reading, reading... And all of a sudden you notice your
eyes are closed? Odds are it's one of euro's post.
euro puts tape on the mirrors in his house so he doesn't accidentally
walk through into another dimension.
Is it weird in here, or is it just euro?
A friend of euro once sent him a post card with a picture of the
entire planet Earth taken from space. On the back it said, 'Wish you
were here.'
When euro dies, he's leaving his body to science fiction.
euro bought some powdered water from a door-to-door salesman,
but he doesn't know what to add.
Your posts are about as empty as a _floating turd_, euro.
euro fell out of the _Stupid tree_ and hit every branch on the way down.
euro doesn't know much but does lead AADP in the number of nostril hair.
Apparently, euro forgot to pay his brain bill.
Your intellectual antenna doesn't seem to pick up all the channels, euro.
Your brain belt doesn't go through all the loops, euro.
Your latest post is proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.
You speaking of your 'intellect,' reminds me of a puppy dog, euro.
Only a puppy dog doesn't wag his tail as much.
euro's posts SOUND like English but no one can understand a word
he's saying.
PV's third law of motion --
For every action, there is an equal and opposite ignorant reaction from euro.
euro provides proof that there is always one more imbecile than you counted on.
You have a mind like A Steel Trap, euro - Rusty And Illegal In 37 States
You started out with nothing, and apparently still have most of it left.
Reading your posts seems like diagonally parking in a parallel universe.
You seem to often get lost in thought, euro. Is it so much unfamiliar territory?
euro stopped to think and forget to start again. The light is now 'green,' euro.
euro is a 'writer for the ages.' Unfortunately for the ages 3 to 7.
Your problem is that you're a narcissist, euro... it's common among "LOSERS."
Doctors have declared euro's skull to be made from foreskin.... thus the
implementation of the medical term "dickhead."
PV
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Fri, 02 May 2003 21:46:26 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>{ snip usual long, meaningless fart, designed to introduce what
> FuckWit fondly imagines is 'insightful comment' }
>
'brain tumor bob' suffers another relapse. :-(
>> 1) I am against murder... which is the conscious and deliberate decision of ONE
>> HUMAN to terminate the physical existence of another HUMAN in what is
>> defined to be murder in the law.
>
>Unless the victim is a convicted murderer, in which case you don't
>only not condemn their murders, but you _support_ them.
Delusion is also a symptom of your illness, 'bob.' As when you
expected others here to believe you had a level of reading skill.
Thus, no one cares what you say from your imaginary world.
Your lies can no longer bring out any anger from me, as everyone
now knows they are lies. I have always said that NO ONE
DESERVES TO BE MURDERED. I believe you have argued
that all retentionists should be tortured and murdered by
abolitionists... just as the domestic cat tortures and kills the
sparrow. Care to deny that? Remember...I'm only here to
help... so do not explode over this simple question.
>{ snip remainder of semi-literate spam, designed to terminate what
> FuckWit fondly imagines is 'insightful comment' }
>
How sad it is to see you use the gimmick of clipping and then
simply presume to insult, believing it actually represents articulate
commentary.
I'm sorry that it's been so difficult for me to help you here, 'bob.'
I now understand that you actually cannot control your emotions.
Your anger and rage, now primarily focused against me (and
jigsaw), no longer can draw any reaction from me other
than pity, and an attempt to help you understand what lies behind
your rage. Additionally, I have always realized that you were
never among the brightest posters here, and have always
given you a bit of slack because of your inadequate intellect.
However, you should see that because you are not exceptionally
bright, it is that much easier for others to recognize that your
rage stems from your own inadequacies... and subconscious
low self-esteem.
Baby steps, 'bob'... Baby steps.
A Planet Visitor
I believe dan was being sarcastic. Perhaps your skills in English
didn't pick up on that. Nor was it a point that I concerned myself
with in my comment.
>I hence can't understand why opposition to death penalty in all
>circumstances should be considered as bigotry.
>
>And, in case you didn't understand, yes, indeed, in my view, opposition to
>death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery. Natural.
>
That's not bigotry... that's gross stupidity. It is an absurd, immoral,
ignorant - and every other derogatory adjective I can come up with -
argument, to compare slavery with execution as it exists in the U.S.
DP today. You certainly cannot COMPARE the subjugation,
degradation and treatment no better than that given the common farm
work animal of an ENTIRE INNOCENT race over a period of
HUNDREDS OF YEARS, with the execution of 849 of the most
vile members of our species in more than 25 years. It is a comparison
so inhuman it literally makes me want to vomit. Claiming that ALL
those who suffered in slavery for those hundreds of years are WORTH
NOTHING MORE THAN 849 PROVEN MURDERERS. Placing
those MURDERERS as being of EQUAL VALUE in the consideration
of how you view ALL of those in slavery compared to those 849 proven
murderers. Placing those MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS having spent
their lives in slavery, that most humiliating and monstrous degradation
to the human spirit, on one side of the scale of humanity, and those
849 PROVEN MURDERERS on the other side of the scale... and
saying..
_gee, look... the scales balance.. they are the SAME. Look
at how moral I am, Momma_.
God, you are disgusting, and your comment DEMANDS an immediate
public apology here, and one in your heart as well. To paraphrase
MacArthur... should you not apologize in your heart...then I guarantee
that millions of ghosts of those slaves, in their tattered rags, in rattling
oppressive chains, in their broken and beaten bodies, will rise from
their graves, hollowed eyes ablaze in fire, thundering their demand
for your apology, thundering their rage that you would DARE compare
them ALL to 849 proven murderers. Your words are the FINAL
insult you offer to them. You have effectively SPIT on those graves,
and called ALL of them... no better than 849 proven murderers.
It is transcendent hyperbole and obviously morally fraudulent to hold
the view you now claim. It is a vile INSULT to those having been
placed in such conditions for so many years to COMPARE them
with those 849 MURDERERS. You believe you are being
_a smart ass_ by presuming to compare the execution of murderers
with the slavery of innocents... but you have made a bigger ass of
yourself than any poster to this group has ever made. You believe it
strengthens your argument in respect to the execution of murderers,
but what it does is DIMINISH those INNOCENTS who suffered
over those hundreds of years. You have presumed that they are
the SAME as those 849 murderers.
Shame... shame.... shame.... shame...shame... shame.... shame.... shame
PV
>Euro
>
dirtdog
Shame indeed, FW.
This is actually the most absurd post I have seen from you since you
argued that a nuclear bomb is not an invention. It is _utter_ (note
the correct use of underlining) hogwash and I suspect it actually made
Billycunt and Little Dick wince with embarrassment. If you actually
wish to contend that Euro stating that he is opposed to slavery
equates to his spitting on the graves of murdered slaves then I am
afraid that you have finally crossed the border and become a
naturalised citizen of La La Land.
Tell me, when you're writing this muck, do you actually mean it, or do
you sit there for hours trying to concoct a post which cunningly gives
the impression that you are an absolute fucking nutcase?
w00f
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> argument, to compare slavery with execution as it exists in the U.S.
> DP today. You certainly cannot COMPARE the subjugation,
> degradation and treatment no better than that given the common farm
> work animal of an ENTIRE INNOCENT race over a period of
> HUNDREDS OF YEARS, with the execution of 849 of the most
> vile members of our species in more than 25 years.
I agree with the thrust of your argument here (regarding the notion of
_magnitude_, in any case) but I must question whether all 849 murderers
cited by you are necessarily the "worst of the worst". I will readily
agree that the group in question contained many of the "worst of the
worst" and, indeed, that the majority of the group might be described as
such.
However, given some cases (including a few of those that Richard has
posted here), I would hesitate to say that all 849 executed murderers
represented the "[some of] most vile members of our species".
I've posted on-topic. I feel dirty now.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com...
I believe I just answered a question he asked. Perhaps your skills in
English don't pick up that, but what can one expect from someone who can't
make the difference between a subject and a predicate?
> >I hence can't understand why opposition to death penalty in all
> >circumstances should be considered as bigotry.
> >
> >And, in case you didn't understand, yes, indeed, in my view, opposition
to
> >death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery. Natural.
> >
> That's not bigotry... that's gross stupidity.
The one who is stupid is the one who can't understand that.
Euro
(remaining PV hysterical verbal diarrhea snipped - today again, PV burned
too many neurones and it created internal short-circuits - guess the machine
is just too old to be repaired anyway).
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:opd6bvs8nqgrlhn3m...@4ax.com...
Exactly. But saying "executions are legal murders" doesn't mean that
executions are murders, contrary to what you tried to make anyone here
believe - just above.
The truth is that you're a liar you spends time twisting others' views, in a
viciously, disgustingly, insidiously recurrent way, by snipping just one
word - the most important one. Thanks for showing it so eloquently, once
again. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, now it's over.
(remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped... PV produced a lot of verbal shit
last week-end! Too bad it didn't enable to hide the fact that he
unsuccesfully tried to twist my views).
Euro
danh
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> ??????:ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 2 May 2003 18:44:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> > >??????:m864bvc96ul8ukrud...@4ax.com...
> > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:13:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
> > >> >??????:b8m5hd$h1p$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
> > >> >> The correct phrasing of your sentence would be that "death isn't
an
> > >answer
> > >> >> to all murderers". Your persistent proclaiming that the dp is
> always
> > >> >> never
> > >> >> appropriate only underlines that extreme political posturing is
> nothing
> > >> >> more than bigotry in drag.
> > >> >
> > >> >That's not bigotry. Not more than those who argue that torture or
> slavery
> > >> >are never appropriate measures.
> > >>
> > >> Pardon me for sticking my nose in here... But....
> > >> Are you COMPARING the execution of proven murderers with
> > >> SLAVERY? Comparing the execution of those who murder, with
> > >> the subjugation of an entire race of INNOCENTS?
> > >>
> > >
> > >I just mean to say that when you oppose slavery or torture, you oppose
it
> in
> > >all circumstances and that's not called bigotry.
> > >
> > I believe dan was being sarcastic. Perhaps your skills in English
> > didn't pick up on that. Nor was it a point that I concerned myself
> > with in my comment.
>
> I believe I just answered a question he asked.
I didn't ask a question. Free clues are available to the literate - we call
them "question marks" to indicate a question has been asked.
Perhaps your skills in
> English don't pick up that, but what can one expect from someone who can't
> make the difference between a subject and a predicate?
To reiterate my view, note that you have taken an extreme position which is
little more than posturing for the Already Committed And Don't Want To Hear
Any Conflicting Information. You believe that execution is always never
appropriate and that those who don't subscribe to this POV are
evil/stupid/<insert ad hominem insult>. That is bigotry (not to mention,
shallow and uninformed) dressed up as idealism.
All of which demonstrates that political extremists are every bit as close
minded as the religious extremists.
[...]
Euro
"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
??????:b95m6q$7g8$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
That's what you wrote, Danh. There are two question marks.
I let you draw the conclusion.
Euro
danh
Euro, Euro, Euro, you ignorant slut. I didn't write that. Notice how the
preface to those sentences was "Pardon me for sticking my nose in here...
But...." Why would I write that in a dialog where I was already
participating?
Seems like Euro's knee jerks with the same regularity as any of the other
"I've Already Have A Canned Speech Made Up So Don't Bother Me With Facts"
brigade.
Draw your own conclusion.
A Planet Visitor
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3eb5fb8a$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
You evil piece of shit... Every innocent victim of slavery
curses you from their grave. Whole cemeteries, filled
with the spent and burnt corpses of anonymous innocent
victims of slavery, buried without a thought because they
spent their lives as slaves, shake with the violence of
an earthquake as a result of their outrage. Outrage at
your disgusting belief that each are NO BETTER than
murderers. No.. that hundreds of thousands of them...
hundreds of thousands of those innocent victims of slavery..
are no better than ONE of those 849 MURDERERS
executed through use of the U.S. DP in 25 years. That
you believe it takes MILLIONS of them to equal all of
those 849 murderers.
My words which CONDEMN YOU as evil... are REPEATED
HERE. You can clip them as long as you wish... and
each time you DO... I will REPOST them... to demonstrate
how you hold murderers in such high affection that you
would argue that EACH ONE OF THEM, is worth the
same as hundreds of thousands of innocent victims of
slavery. Do you think it is possible that you referring to
my comment as simply "hysterical verbal diarrhea"
could possibly be a "gimmick"? Or that you would DARE
to presume to further insult those slaves by making light
of my words... presuming to _laugh them off_ could be a
"gimmick"? Or that your intellectual (sic) inability to
answer even one word of my comment, but to clip it
all and then insult both me and those victims of slavery
could possibly be a "gimmick"? You have simply no
longer spit on their graves... you intend to shit on them
as well... as the ultimate insult to their memory. You
evil, evil, evil little shit of a childish twit.
My words -- Which you NEVER addressed and again
simply referred to
------------------------------------------------------
That's not bigotry... that's gross stupidity. It is an absurd,
immoral, ignorant - and every other derogatory adjective I
can come up with - argument, to compare slavery with
execution as it exists in the U.S. DP today. You certainly
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<snip>
>You evil piece of shit... Every innocent victim of slavery
>curses you from their grave. Whole cemeteries, filled
>with the spent and burnt corpses of anonymous innocent
>victims of slavery, buried without a thought because they
>spent their lives as slaves, shake with the violence of
>an earthquake as a result of their outrage.
LOL! You fucking _nutcase_!
<more absolutely insane gibberish snipped>
Please stop it, FW, even the children in the street are beginning to
point at you and laugh.
w00f
A Planet Visitor
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3eb664a2$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
and not dan's.
> I let you draw the conclusion.
We've already come to a conclusion regarding you, euro. You're
simply an evil little shit. Supported by some rather evil big
shits.
PV
> Euro
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3eb5fdab$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
to comprehend that "legal murder," is simply you stating a FORM
of murder (one which does not exist... but STILL implying it IS
murder), means EXACTLY that you ARE trying to define execution
AS murder. You might as well say -- _executions are inhumane
murders_. And thus you would be defining executions in the same
sense as your words, simply describing how you feel about MURDER,
and not how you feel about executions. In both cases you are
defining EXECUTIONS as a FORM of murder. Or since executions
ARE legal - your words can be seen as "Executions are legal --- murders."
If you wish to apply the adjective to the noun 'executions,' since
THEY are legal.
> The truth is that you're a liar you spends time twisting others' views, in a
> viciously, disgustingly, insidiously recurrent way, by snipping just one
> word - the most important one. Thanks for showing it so eloquently, once
> again. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, now it's over.
>
Which word did I snip, you evil shit?
> (remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped... PV produced a lot of verbal shit
> last week-end! Too bad it didn't enable to hide the fact that he
> unsuccesfully tried to twist my views).
>
Unable to face the truth... euro provides a parting insult, and
scurries away with his tail between his legs. How typical.
PV
> Euro
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message news:5drbbvcgbo02085lv...@4ax.com...
also find slavery, which affected millions of innocents, placed
in slavery until they die, over the course of hundreds of years,
as no worse than the execution of 849 proven murderers over
the course of 25 years, your comment is irrelevant, and your
views are immaterial to any rational and caring human being.
You are simply another one who should be ashamed but does
not have the capacity to express that emotion, because somewhere
along the path of your life, someone has failed to instill such an
emotion in you. Along with a few others that were never taught
to you, such as pity, caring and respect for our species.
PV
> w00f
>
French Ribbon Clerk
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
{ snip }
> > (remaining PV hysterical verbal diarrhea snipped - today again, PV burned
> > too many neurones and it created internal short-circuits - guess the machine
> > is just too old to be repaired anyway).
> You evil piece of shit...
Oh dear, how remiss of me. The 'you thrashed me, so you're evil !!!'
gimmick has yet to be incorporated into the FuckWit Patented Gimmicks
(TM) database. That shall be remedied before the weekend.
{ snip }
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
Yamaha YZF-R1
Cerberus
"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com> wrote in message
news:b95u96$g1n$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
: "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:3eb664a2$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
: > "danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
: > ??????:b95m6q$7g8$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
: > > "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > > news:3eb5fb8a$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
: > > > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
: > > > ??????:ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com...
: > > > > On Fri, 2 May 2003 18:44:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: > > > > >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
: > > > > >??????:m864bvc96ul8ukrud...@4ax.com...
: > > > > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:13:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com>
: > wrote:
: > > > > >> >"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
(snip)
:
: Euro, Euro, Euro, you ignorant slut. I didn't write that. Notice how the
: preface to those sentences was "Pardon me for sticking my nose in here...
: But...." Why would I write that in a dialog where I was already
: participating?
:
: Seems like Euro's knee jerks with the same regularity as any of the other
: "I've Already Have A Canned Speech Made Up So Don't Bother Me With Facts"
: brigade.
:
: Draw your own conclusion.
Well Euro, I guess that fucked this argument good and proper.
--
WooF w00f WooF
A Planet Visitor
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in message
news:satan-123BDD....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com>, A Planet
> Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
> > argument, to compare slavery with execution as it exists in the U.S.
> > DP today. You certainly cannot COMPARE the subjugation,
> > degradation and treatment no better than that given the common farm
> > work animal of an ENTIRE INNOCENT race over a period of
> > HUNDREDS OF YEARS, with the execution of 849 of the most
> > vile members of our species in more than 25 years.
>
> I agree with the thrust of your argument here (regarding the notion of
> _magnitude_, in any case) but I must question whether all 849 murderers
> cited by you are necessarily the "worst of the worst". I will readily
> agree that the group in question contained many of the "worst of the
> worst" and, indeed, that the majority of the group might be described as
> such.
>
> However, given some cases (including a few of those that Richard has
> posted here), I would hesitate to say that all 849 executed murderers
> represented the "[some of] most vile members of our species".
>
to read, much less respond to so many posts that I see in number
from my favorite _crash test dummies_. Most of them probably
hysterically pointed at me, Many of them I will probably ignore,
because I again have a full day tomorrow, and for once I seem
to be under time constraints. So I will not be able to apply some
needed gestalt to 'brain tumor bob,' except for those comments I
believe show his deep deterioration where I believe it is essential
I at least apply some soothing therapy. I will probably ignore Ol'
Racist Nev... which I sometimes feel makes me less than
responsible to my species.
It's good that the question of abolition/retention has been settled
with retention the clear winner, since that is no longer necessary to
debate here. :-) Many of my posts have lately generated a firestorm,
which I find good but also hardly able to keep up with.
Do not take any of the following as presuming it represents
some sort of disagreement with you. I simply wish to put
in place some particular opinions I hold regarding the present
subject. Others might read it (I doubt that), and comment.
I feel that your particular post deserves that I put a bit of effort
into describing my feelings regarding the comparison
of slavery to the U.S. DP, because some abolitionist believe
they can piously cloak themselves in the idea that because
they oppose the U.S. DP, that makes them the SAME as
those who oppose slavery (you KNOW who your are). With
the obvious intention of implying that those who support
the U.S. DP MUST also support slavery. In other words,
doing a reverse flip on logic. It is an obscene attempt
to distort viewpoints. And to me, nothing could be more
hypocritical. To me it only presumes that THEY have
stated innocent slaves can somehow equate to murderers.
Racism in the U.S. has its roots in slavery. So let me say
a few words on how I feel about racism --- I have often been
accused of being overly emotional regarding the subject of
racism -- and I plead guilt. Accused of being too unreasonable
in seeing things that others contend are not there, when seeing
racist slurs thrown about with abandon here -- But I see what
I see, so others cannot presume to argue that I cannot. Called
too angry in those arguments --- But I would question why I
should not be angry at racism. Too accusatory toward the
comments of others in respect to racism --- But I would feel
as having failed in some measure if I did not speak my mind.
In general, I have also recently been accused by 'euro' of trying to
make complicated concepts "simple,"... and frequently accused
by others of trying to make "simple" concepts complicated
(which might happen in answer to this post). Thus, I'm not sure
anyone actually knows where I am coming from, or what they are
talking about in respect to my posts. So, that <rant> being said,
let me try to set up, with what I hope is some reflective and
reasoned clarity, a scenario that might better explain how I feel
about slavery and the U.S. DP.
First, I am on record as having said that Karla Faye Tucker did
not "deserve" the DP, and it was a waste of resources in every
respect to execute her. She should have been shown mercy,
IMHO, and in that respect the U.S. DP quite often does not
meet the standards I would expect from it, in respect to the
murderers we do execute. So I would ask to consider three
cases --
Case 1 -- A Black male native is snatched from his family in
Africa, never to see them again. Thrown into the hold of a ship
with 500 other Blacks, existing with them in his and their own
excrement and urine on that trip. At that moment probably
NEVER to taste again what it is to not feel the chain around
his neck or waist or leg. Fed hardly anything. Occasionally
a bucket of water passed down. Pulled from the hold on arrival.
Placed on a block for sale. Bought by a farmer wishing to
use him to pull his plow, because the farmer cannot afford
a mule or a horse, and the price for that slave is less
than that mule or horse. Spending the rest of his life pulling
that plow, and doing ANYTHING else the farmer wishes,
WITHOUT QUESTION. Treated the same as a farm animal.
Or worse... not only sub-human... but sub-animal. Beaten
when not working fast enough. Tasting the whip if the farmer
has a bad day. Subsisting on the barest of what is necessary
for survival. Sleeping on straw. Never to have contact with
any human outside of the life of that farmer again. When
reaching an age where the cost of keeping him alive exceeds
what he can generate, having his throat slit by the farmer in
an _economic decision_. With no more concern than
wringing the neck of a chicken. Buried in an unmarked
grave. Forgotten. The farmer having broken no law. End
of life. End of case 1.
Case 2 -- A Black female native is snatched from the bosom of
her family in Africa, never to see them again. Endures the same
travel conditions. Sold on a block to a sullen-eyed farmer having
some other ideas of how to use her than the other farmer. Forced
to serve the farmer's family. Cook for them. Wash their clothes.
Scrub their floors. Clean their feet. Empty their toilets. Wipe
their ass. Perform every servile chore the family wishes. Then,
in the dark of night, visited by that farmer. Forced to endure the
most degrading insults one human can visit on another short of
murder itself. The laws of such a land making it a crime to fuck
an animal... but raping a slave quite permissible. And when
she becomes too old... too unattractive for this miserable swine...
and he finds he has enough money to purchase a younger
one... again the slit throat... again with no concern. again an
unmarked grave. The farmer having broken no law. End of life.
End of case 2.
Case 3 -- Karla Faye Tucker, a multiple-murderer who admitted
that she had an orgasm when she had murdered. Sentenced
to the DP, but fully repentant. Fully rehabilitated. No further
danger to any human. Absolutely no reason to execute her.
Still she is executed. End of life. End of case 3.
Those three cases now stand before me. God appears to
me and speaks -- "In my mercy, you can choose one slave,
and I will restore that one to Africa as if nothing had ever
happened to him or her. Your choice." "But I will not make
it that easy for you with the other slave and Karla Faye."
"You can choose to save the life of Karla Faye Tucker.
She will not be executed. But by doing so the life of the
other slave will remain unchanged and he/her will live that
life as a slave as fate has determined." "Or... you can
choose to also restore the other slave to Africa as if nothing
had ever happened to him/her as well. But in so choosing
you must accept the execution of Karla Faye Tu...."
That fucking needle would be whipped out, and I would personally
be shoving it into her fucking arm before God could finish His
sentence. Before His head stopped spinning. And Karla would
get no further than "Jes....." in her appeal to "Jesus, help me!"
Do you now get the picture of how I compare a murderer who
is fully rehabilitated and no longer a danger to anyone, to an
innocent slave? To compare even ONE innocent SLAVE, having
spent their life in such slavery, to the most benign, the most
repentant, the most undeserved of execution MURDERERS, is
a concept so alien to me, so repulsive, that I cannot find the
emotional words which can fully describe my feelings. Further,
euro tried to compare slavery as a CONCEPT, which involves
the MILLIONS of innocents placed into slavery, over hundreds
of years, to the U.S. DP, which has executed 849 proven
MURDERERS in 25 years. Given the argument that euro
hopes to make (to _feel good_ about himself here, preening
himself before others), and given other abolitionists who hope
to hitch THEIR agenda to comparing slavery as a concept,
with the U.S. DP, it is the greatest insult to SLAVES that I
can imagine. Punished once for having committed no crime.
They are essentially punished AGAIN as they lay in those
unmarked graves... as they are compared to MURDERERS.
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
> message
> news:satan-123BDD....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> > In article <ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com>, A Planet
> > Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> >
> > > argument, to compare slavery with execution as it exists in the U.S.
> > > DP today. You certainly cannot COMPARE the subjugation,
> > > degradation and treatment no better than that given the common farm
> > > work animal of an ENTIRE INNOCENT race over a period of
> > > HUNDREDS OF YEARS, with the execution of 849 of the most
> > > vile members of our species in more than 25 years.
> >
> > I agree with the thrust of your argument here (regarding the notion of
> > _magnitude_, in any case) but I must question whether all 849 murderers
> > cited by you are necessarily the "worst of the worst". I will readily
> > agree that the group in question contained many of the "worst of the
> > worst" and, indeed, that the majority of the group might be described
> > as
> > such.
> >
> > However, given some cases (including a few of those that Richard has
> > posted here), I would hesitate to say that all 849 executed murderers
> > represented the "[some of] most vile members of our species".
> It's good that the question of abolition/retention has been settled
> with retention the clear winner, since that is no longer necessary to
> debate here. :-)
Ahem.
> Many of my posts have lately generated a firestorm,
> which I find good but also hardly able to keep up with.
There's been the sporadically entertaining argument with euro
and...uh...that stuff with Nev about Jewishness. That's all I've really
been reading apart from doggie's occasionally hilarious (and wonderfully
unnecessary, not to mention mordant) asides in other threads.
> Case 1
> Case 2
> Case 3 -- Karla Faye Tucker
> Those three cases now stand before me. God appears to
> me and speaks -- "In my mercy, you can choose one slave,
> and I will restore that one to Africa as if nothing had ever
> happened to him or her. Your choice." "But I will not make
> it that easy for you with the other slave and Karla Faye."
> "You can choose to save the life of Karla Faye Tucker.
> She will not be executed. But by doing so the life of the
> other slave will remain unchanged and he/her will live that
> life as a slave as fate has determined." "Or... you can
> choose to also restore the other slave to Africa as if nothing
> had ever happened to him/her as well. But in so choosing
> you must accept the execution of Karla Faye Tu...."
A rather unfair dilemma for someone like _me_, however. I would
probably choose as you had but I would need more than a little time to
think it over.
> Do you now get the picture of how I compare a murderer who
> is fully rehabilitated and no longer a danger to anyone, to an
> innocent slave? To compare even ONE innocent SLAVE, having
> spent their life in such slavery, to the most benign, the most
> repentant, the most undeserved of execution MURDERERS, is
> a concept so alien to me, so repulsive, that I cannot find the
> emotional words which can fully describe my feelings.
My point didn't really cover the comparison of slavery with the DP
(which doesn't _offend_ me per se but certainly strikes me as completely
invalid to the point of silliness) but rather the idea that all those
executed since 1975 were indeed the "vilest [whatever you said,
precisely]".
I'm sounding entirely like a Dutch Uncle when I suggest that your
emotional response to the comparison of slavery with the DP prevents you
from convincingly refuting it. _I_ don't bother with it because it is
invariably brought up by an abolitionist (and often with the best of
intentions) and I find it entirely too embarrassing to comment upon, by
and large.
That doesn't mean that I don't regard the DP as both impractical or
unjust but that should be known to all regular posters here in any case.
A Planet Visitor
You'll have to excuse the lad, dan... he's been distracted lately. Keeping
himself busy arranging his left socks in his _left sock drawer_, and his
right socks in his _right sock drawer_.
>Seems like Euro's knee jerks with the same regularity as any of the other
>"I've Already Have A Canned Speech Made Up So Don't Bother Me With Facts"
>brigade.
Facts have never interfered with euro. They only tend to clutter up those
canned speeches you speak of.
>Draw your own conclusion.
PV
danh
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> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
message
> news:satan-123BDD....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> > In article <ibnbbvc1j632sk8d3...@4ax.com>, A Planet
> > Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> >
with the execution of 849 of the most
> > > vile members of our species in more than 25 years.
[...]
> First, I am on record as having said that Karla Faye Tucker did
> not "deserve" the DP, and it was a waste of resources in every
> respect to execute her. She should have been shown mercy,
> IMHO, and in that respect the U.S. DP quite often does not
> meet the standards I would expect from it, in respect to the
> murderers we do execute. So I would ask to consider three
> cases --
[...]
> Case 3 -- Karla Faye Tucker, a multiple-murderer who admitted
> that she had an orgasm when she had murdered. Sentenced
> to the DP, but fully repentant. Fully rehabilitated. No further
> danger to any human. Absolutely no reason to execute her.
> Still she is executed. End of life. End of case 3.
[...]
to the U.S. DP, which has executed 849 proven
> MURDERERS in 25 years.
I see you changed your position from 849 of the "most vile" murderers to
simply "proven" murderers. I'll bet that a careful retrospective analysis
of those cases would yield a far smaller number that you would agree merited
death and who never found any rehabilitation or other justification for
allowing them to use up perfectly good oxygen.
While I agree that the judicial process weeds out nearly all of those who
don't merit the dp, it remains true that 'nearly all' does not equal 'all'
of the all. Until we put in place laws, restrictions and practices that do
not reach for the dp as a solution until _all_ other options have been
examined and rejected, that do not permit prosecutors to benefit their
careers on the backs of those whose cases are marginally dp-eligible, that
provide at least as much financial and analysis support to competent defense
lawyers as to prosecutors, that prohibit minors or the retarded from
execution and that preclude the racial imbalances found on death row as well
as preventing the many other forms of abuse seen in dp cases.
We've come a long way since Furman and it does appear that dp prosecutions
are levelling off, but until virtually inarguable cases are the norm rather
than the exception, with objective criteria making it clear that a different
course of action would not suffice for both punishment of the criminal and
protection of society, we still have a far distance to go.
By way of example - last week I posted that David Brewer had been executed
in Ohio. I didn't mention that the murder took place in my community and
the murder was a particularly gruesome one, with much angst and anger that
it occurred here. (Except for the principals, I know very well everyone
else involved with the case, from the prosecutor to the police team to the
judge to the defense attorney.) Despite the graphic description of the
kidnapping/murder, this remains a case that should not have been
dp-eligible. Brewer was not a career criminal, but he had an obsession with
the victim, who was the wife of his former fraternity brother in college.
The case was prosecuted for death because of the publicity and justice would
have been every bit as much served had David Brewer spent the next 90 years
in prison. It's cases like this that need less emotionalism and less lip
service to justice and more sensible management.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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I drew mine, PV.... SLURP_____ SLURP_____SLURP.
As I already wrote on several occasions, there is no single insult you
address on others that couldn't be redirected to you. That makes you such a
stupid twat.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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That's not a proof of hysteria, my unwashed twat. I made a mistake by giving
Danh words you wrote, and so what?
Your arguments are sometimes so trivially similar...
> > I let you draw the conclusion.
>
> We've already come to a conclusion regarding you, euro. You're
> simply an evil little shit. Supported by some rather evil big
> shits.
We all know all the insults you use can ideally be redirected to you. Thanks
for showing me another aspect of your personality I didn't know - though,
seeing the amount of verbal diarrhea you are able to write, I should have
guessed the relationship existed.
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"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
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(long verbal diarrhea snipped... as usually, it was liquid, visquous, putrid
and inconsistent)
>
> My words which CONDEMN YOU as evil... are REPEATED
> HERE.
LOL!!!!! Yes, sometimes, verbal diarrhea can be funny.
(remaining verbal diarrhea snipped - does anyone know how to heal PV's
dysentry?)
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"danh" <da...@lexisnexis.com>
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So much for me, Danh. I mistook. I guess that also can happen to anyone.
Your arguments are sometimes so similar with PV's, especially as far as
self-conceit bad faith are concerned.
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John Rennie
It just might be better to avoid insulting in return. You may have
heard the Bernard Shaw quote but it bears repeating:
"Don't wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it."