And Not A Word
Jigsaw1695
Earl. John and Diablo have used the word "racist" frequently in the
past year. But when Harry Reid
the Senate Majority Leader made racist comments about Obama, Ealr,
John and Diablo didnt say a word, or even comment on it.
We have already seen how Earl has this tendency to sort of stretch the
truth, or worst, make things up. Now we are witnessing the moral
breakdown and hypocraciy of the other two.
But strangely (Well. not reallythat strange) nary a word about Harry
Reid.
S Republicans call on Senator Reid to quit post 10 Jan 2010 17:16:15
GMT
Source: Reuters
* Democrats accused of 'double standard' on race
* Obama has accepted Reid's apology for racial remarks
By Will Dunham
WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (Reuters) - The Republican Party chief called on
Senator Harry Reid on Sunday to step down as Senate majority leader
over racial comments about President Barack Obama, while Democrats
tried to put the issue behind them.
Reid, a key figure in pushing Obama's agenda through Congress,
apologized to the president on Saturday over remarks published in a
new book calling Obama a "light-skinned" black man "with no Negro
dialect unless he wanted to have one."
Both Obama and Reid are Democrats.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Reid should
step aside as Senate majority leader, saying if a Republican made the
same remarks Democrats would be "screaming for his head."
"Oh yeah, there's a big double standard here," Steele, who is black,
said on the NBC program "Meet the Press."
"There is this standard where the Democrats feel that they can say
these things and they can apologize when it ... comes from the mouths
of their own. But if it comes from anyone else, it's racism," Steele
added on "Fox News Sunday."
Steele said Reid used "anachronistic language," adding, "It harkens
back to the 1950s and 60s, and it confirms to me a mind-set that's out
of step with where America is today."
Steele was asked about his use in a recent television appearance of
the words "honest injun," seen as disparaging toward American Indians.
Asked if his own words were a racial slur, Steele said, "Well, if it
is, I apologize for it. ... I wasn't intending to say a racial slur at
all."
Reid's comments, made in private conversations, were quoted in a newly
published book about the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, "Game
Change," by Time magazine reporter Mark Halperin and New York magazine
writer John Heileman.
'A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS'
Reid on Saturday apologized for "using such a poor choice of words."
Obama issued a statement accepting the apology.
Reid, 70, has been a close partner of the White House on key Obama
initiatives, and succeeded in helping to round up the 60 votes needed
to win Senate passage on Dec. 24 of a healthcare reform bill, Obama's
top legislative priority.
It is unclear whether this controversy will undermine Reid's influence
in the Senate. Reid is also facing a tough re-election battle in
Nevada this November.
Democratic Party chairman Tim Kaine said "the comments were
unfortunate and they were insensitive," but he said there is no reason
for Reid to step down as majority leader.
"I think the case is closed because President Obama has spoken
directly with the leader (Reid) and accepted his apology. ... We're
moving on," Kaine told "Meet the Press."
"Harry Reid made a misstatement. He owned up to it. He apologized. I
think he is mortified by the statement he's made. And I don't think he
should step down," Democratic Senator Jack Reed told "Fox News
Sunday."
Republicans compared Reid's remarks to those made in 2002 by
Republican Trent Lott, praising former segregationist presidential
candidate and long-time senator Strom Thurmond. Lott stepped down as
Senate majority leader over the comments.
"If he (Lott) should resign, then Harry Reid should," Republican
Senator Jon Kyl told "Fox News Sunday." (Editing by Todd Eastham)
Earl Evleth
9d73e808-66a2-4a01...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com,
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> A not a word from Earl.
>
> Earl. John and Diablo have used the word "racist" frequently in the
> past year. But when Harry Reid
> the Senate Majority Leader made racist comments about Obama, Ealr,
> John and Diablo didnt say a word, or even comment on it.
What's to comment on. Reed made a pretty standard, not too racist comment
but racist all the same. By some, any mention of skin tone could be
racist. And Reed apologized for it, most authentic racists never do.
You never have. The birther movement is racist, Your adherence to it,
without apology, is racist.
Jigsaw1695
>
> "Jigsaw1695" <Jigsaw1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > A not a word from Earl.
>
> > Earl. John and Diablo have used the word "racist" �frequently in the
> > past year. But when Harry Reid
> > the Senate Majority Leader �made racist comments about Obama, Ealr,
> > John and Diablo didnt say a word, or even comment on it.
>
> What's to comment on. Reed made a pretty standard, not too racist comment
> but racist all the same. By some, any mention of skin tone could be
> racist. And Reed apologized for it, most authentic racists never do.
>
> You never have. The birther movement is racist, �Your adherence to it,
> without apology, is racist.
<Sigh!>
Earl Evleth
d598ab86-5e46-4fc4...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com,
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>> You never have. The birther movement is racist, ?Your adherence to it,
>> without apology, is racist.
>
> <Sigh!>
Go to bed, it is 2AM chez toi, too late to be up for a normal person.
Jigsaw1695
>
> "Jigsaw1695" <Jigsaw1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > A not a word from Earl.
>
> > Earl. John and Diablo have used the word "racist" �frequently in the
> > past year. But when Harry Reid
> > the Senate Majority Leader �made racist comments about Obama, Ealr,
> > John and Diablo didnt say a word, or even comment on it.
>
> What's to comment on. Reed made a pretty standard, not too racist comment
> but racist all the same. By some, any mention of skin tone could be
> racist. And Reed apologized for it, most authentic racists never do.
>
> You never have. The birther movement is racist, �Your adherence to it,
> without apology, is racist.
Tell us Earl.... how does asking someone to prove his place of birth
make them a racist, especially when the US Constitution makes birth as
a US Citizen a mandatory requirement?
Oh yea, BTW, you said that Obama has said that he was born in the US.
I asked you to quote a source. You havent come up with an aswer yet,
Does that make you stupid, a fool, or both?
Jigsaw
Earl Evleth
e981e51a-6fd5-441e...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com,
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>> You never have. The birther movement is racist, ?Your adherence to it,
>> without apology, is racist.
>
> Tell us Earl.... how does asking someone to prove his place of birth
> make them a racist, especially when the US Constitution makes birth as
> a US Citizen a mandatory requirement?
This is the first time it ever happened. It is obvious that a lot
of noses are out of joint because a Black (even half) has been elected
President, to his legitimacy is challenged.
"The Birther movement is indeed a proxy for racism"
google hits: 2,840,000 for racism and birthers
it is so obvious a claim it can no be challenged.
Thus, in being a birther, you are definitely self-defining yourself
as a racist.
Donna Evleth
> From: Jigsaw1695 <Jigsa...@aol.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:23 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: And Not A Word
I will state right here, right now, that Harry Reid's statement disgusts me.
It is another example of how difficult it is to change mentalities. But you
can do it if you make an effort. Reid didn't.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
> A not a word from Earl.
>
> Earl. John and Diablo have used the word "racist" frequently in the
> past year. But when Harry Reid
> the Senate Majority Leader made racist comments about Obama, Ealr,
> John and Diablo didnt say a word, or even comment on it.
Did Senator Reid post to this news group, jiggy?
John Rennie
Sigh away, old son. It's true and you just can't face it.
Jigsaw1695
Frequently...under an asssumed name. I am not at liberty to divulge
the name(s) that he posts under.
Jigsaw
John Rennie
LOL. But again the point is that your racist leanings
are expressed frequently on this group whereas Senator
Reid's are not. When do you express such leanings?
Every time you query Obama's birth. Only a deeply dyed
in the wool racist could possibly find any leverage
in such a pathetic ploy.
Izzy Mandelbaum
So what was the difference between what he said & what Trent Lott
said?
Why should they be handled differently?
John Rennie
Trent Lott? Did he post on this news group?
Izzy Mandelbaum
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok, John, if you want me to spell it out, you have two guys who make a
'racially insensitive' crack.
One's run out of town on a rail & the other isn't.
Why is that?
John Rennie
One's comments are much much milder than the other?
Donna Evleth
> From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-...@talktalk.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:10:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
I'm sorry. I'm with Normal Mike on this one. Racism is racism, milder
doesn't count. There is just no other way around it. It's like being a
little bit pregnant.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
I wasn't giving my personal opinion, Donna. Just
giving my opinion why one's run out of town
and the other isn't.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Oh I beg to differ in a big way. I come from a family where there is deeply
ingrained racism but it is not in any way extreme, merely manifesting as
paternalism and the embracing of some (frankly embarrassing) stereotypes.
Closer to the newsgroup, John and I are very aware that Jiggy is a racist,
despite his denials. I would be absolutely gobsmacked, though, if he actually
disliked black people - he just appears to be very uncomfortable with the notion
of a black guy in a position of great power.
I'm a little bit racist, Donna. I'll quite happily confess to some occasional
and minor stereotyping - mainly the idea that Asians can't drive. It's
involuntary and irrational and most definitely uncomfortable for me (when I
notice myself thinking that way) but it's a part of the set of (for want of a
better word) stereotypes that I was ingrained with as I grew up. That is to say
that the "Asians can't drive" myth is almost an integral part of Australian
culture, even to the extent that it is propagated by many Asians (including most
of my Chinese friends, although there is one exception who earnestly believes
that he's some kind of Mika Hakkinen).
There are definitely degrees. Racism ranges from the genocidal through the
cross-burning-hatred through to a general feeling that a race is inferior or
untrustworthy right down to paternalism or the holding of a few stereotypes. I
don't regard these things as being all the same. I would find it a big ask to
forgive genocidal or hate-fuelled racism but, at the same time, I regard silly
old Jiggy quite fondly and I also love my family, despite the fact that their
Sambo and Golliwog figurines (taking pride of place on the dresser) appal me
beyond measure. I can even forgive my dear old mum when the first thing she
says when seeing a photograph of a group of Beauganvillians is, "They're so
_black_!". Note that the photo depicted a group of senior government officials
and was presented in exactly that context.
When it comes to American politicians, I must admit that I often give
progressives a pass on a careless remark when I wouldn't do the same for
conservatives. Why might that be? Mainly because my prejudices include the
possibly unfair notion that many conservatives are secretly racist and that such
occasions demonstrate their display of true colours. Very naughty of me, I
know, but anyone who wants to take it up with me can just suck a big fat
cocksicle.
--
"Who gets a hard-on during Kwanzaa? Nobody!"
- Dan Savage
Donna Evleth
> From: Rabbi Chituch Foreskin <Pr...@mitzizal.org>
> Organization: Mohel 'R' Us
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:08:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>
> On 12 Jan 2010 22:13:46 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
> <dia...@thisbitisnotreal.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
>>
>> Closer to the newsgroup, John and I are very aware that Jiggy is a racist,
>> despite his denials. I would be absolutely gobsmacked, though, if he
>> actually
>> disliked black people - he just appears to be very uncomfortable with the
>> notion
>> of a black guy in a position of great power.
>
> Jon, do you think Jigsaw would be comfortable with a black Republican
> president?
>
> Chituch
He claims he wouldn't. He talked about black retired military man whom he
would vote for if he was the Republican candidate for president. I've
forgotten his name.
Donna Evleth
Mitchell Holman
news:C7737629.8574E%dev...@wanadoo.fr:
Colin Powell.
"Saddam Hussein has not developed any significant
capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction.
He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
vs......
"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his
weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
- Colin Powell February 5, 2003
Earl Evleth
Xns9CFF4D607FCDC...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
<noemai...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Colin Powell.
>
>
>
>
> "Saddam Hussein has not developed any significant
> capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction.
> He is unable to project conventional power against his
> neighbours."
> - Colin Powell February 24 2001
>
> vs......
>
> "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his
> weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
> - Colin Powell February 5, 2003
Curiously he is one person who has served in a high position
but has said nothing much about it. He has sometime to tell.
Gerald Ford did not reveal "all" until after he died, via
a journalist he has a good relation with.
Usually history reveals the essentials as extracted from
surviving documents of the time. I say surviving because
some things are destroyed. Nobody knows was happened
to J. Edgar Hoover's private files on important political
personalities. He used these as a sort of black mail.
He never had a problem with getting his agency funded
by Congress either.
Donna Evleth
> From: Donna Evleth <dev...@wanadoo.fr>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Orange
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:07:54 +0100
> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>
>
>
>> From: Rabbi Chituch Foreskin <Pr...@mitzizal.org>
>> Organization: Mohel 'R' Us
>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:08:11 -0500
>> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>>
>> On 12 Jan 2010 22:13:46 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>> <dia...@thisbitisnotreal.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Closer to the newsgroup, John and I are very aware that Jiggy is a racist,
>>> despite his denials. I would be absolutely gobsmacked, though, if he
>>> actually
>>> disliked black people - he just appears to be very uncomfortable with the
>>> notion
>>> of a black guy in a position of great power.
>>
>> Jon, do you think Jigsaw would be comfortable with a black Republican
>> president?
>>
>> Chituch
>
> He claims he wouldn't. He talked about black retired military man whom he
> would vote for if he was the Republican candidate for president. I've
> forgotten his name.
>
> Donna Evleth
MY BAD! I didn't proofread well enough and came out saying just the
opposite of what I meant. Jiggy claimed he would vote for this man whose
name I have forgotten if he ran as a Republican candidate for president.
Mea culpa.
Donna Evleth
>
Donna Evleth
> From: Mitchell Holman <noemai...@comcast.net>
> Organization: TDSOTF
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:35:55 -0600
> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>
> Donna Evleth <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
> news:C7737629.8574E%dev...@wanadoo.fr:
>
>>
>>
>>> From: Rabbi Chituch Foreskin <Pr...@mitzizal.org>
>>> Organization: Mohel 'R' Us
>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:08:11 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>>>
>>> On 12 Jan 2010 22:13:46 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>>> <dia...@thisbitisnotreal.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Closer to the newsgroup, John and I are very aware that Jiggy is a
>>>> racist, despite his denials. I would be absolutely gobsmacked,
>>>> though, if he actually
>>>> disliked black people - he just appears to be very uncomfortable
>>>> with the notion
>>>> of a black guy in a position of great power.
>>>
>>> Jon, do you think Jigsaw would be comfortable with a black Republican
>>> president?
>>>
>>> Chituch
>>
>> He claims he wouldn't. He talked about black retired military man
>> whom he would vote for if he was the Republican candidate for
>> president. I've forgotten his name.
>
>
>
> Colin Powell.
No, it's not Colin Powell. I would not forget him. It was somebody new,
who got in trouble over the torture issue.
Donna Evleth
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> MY BAD! I didn't proofread well enough and came out saying just the
> opposite of what I meant. Jiggy claimed he would vote for this man whose
> name I have forgotten if he ran as a Republican candidate for president.
> Mea culpa.
If my aunt were a bloke she'd be my uncle. It's all very well to claim such a
thing until it becomes viable.
Donna Evleth
> From: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <dia...@thisbitisnotreal.freakishandunnatural.net>
> Organization: The Infernal Bureaucracy
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: 13 Jan 2010 18:30:23 GMT
> Subject: Re: And Not A Word
>
> On 2010-01-13, Donna Evleth <dev...@wanadoo.fr> unwisely decided to post the
> following to Usenet:
>
>> MY BAD! I didn't proofread well enough and came out saying just the
>> opposite of what I meant. Jiggy claimed he would vote for this man whose
>> name I have forgotten if he ran as a Republican candidate for president.
>> Mea culpa.
>
> If my aunt were a bloke she'd be my uncle. It's all very well to claim such a
> thing until it becomes viable.
Since this guy, so memorable I have even forgotten his name, is unlikely to
be chosen by the Republicans, Jiggy is unlikely to be put to the test.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
>
> On 2010-01-13, Donna Evleth <dev...@wanadoo.fr> unwisely decided to post the following to Usenet:
>
> > MY BAD! I didn't proofread well enough and came out saying just the
> > opposite of what I meant. Jiggy claimed he would vote for this man whose
> > name I have forgotten if he ran as a Republican candidate for president.
> > Mea culpa.
>
> If my aunt were a bloke she'd be my uncle. It's all very well to claim such a
> thing until it becomes viable.
>
That would make the English even more racist since they aren't
voting to get a black PM.
--
"Gonna take a sedimental journey", what Old Man River actually
said.
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)
So, therefore, Jiggy is racist? That's ridiculous.
New poll, most Americans are racists!:
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/majority_would.php
#begin quote
A year into his tenure, a majority of Americans would already vote
against Pres. Obama if the '12 elections were held today, according
to a new survey.
The Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll shows 50% say
they would probably or definitely vote for someone else. Fully 37%
say they would definitely cast a ballot against Obama. Meanwhile,
just 39% would vote to re-elect the pres. to a 2nd term, and only
23% say they definitely would do so.
#dnd quote
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)"
> <tribuylt...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:16:30 +0000
Where does this poll actually come from? When I lived in the US, Allstate
was an insurance company (home and auto insurance), whose motto was "You're
in good hands with Allstate". Our own experience with them was somewhat
different.
To know more about the insurance company, check Google, typing in Allstate
Insurance.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)
Notice how I provided a link to where it came from and set off the
quoted materials. Still you ask where it came from. Geez.
> When I lived in the US, Allstate
> was an insurance company (home and auto insurance), whose motto was "You're
> in good hands with Allstate". Our own experience with them was somewhat
> different.
>
> To know more about the insurance company, check Google, typing in Allstate
> Insurance.
>
I suspect that there are companies that have similar names. There's
"Sysco" and "Cisco". That has to be confusing.