Executions are barbaric
Rev. Don Kool
Wayne wrote:
>
> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
Read a little further, my son;
"He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
death."
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
http://members.home.net/oldno7
Rev. Don Kool
John Rennie wrote:
> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> > Not fair,
> >
> > wayne olver
>
> It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the DP.
> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
The views of the "agnostic/athiest [sic]" are irrelevant. We are
One Nation Under God, my son.
Yours in Christ,
Wayne
John Rennie
"Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the DP.
I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much? Lets
have a straw poll
I am an athiest and I am against the dp. Any others welcome.
Richard Jackson
"Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
> Not fair,
>
> wayne olver
>
>
Actually Wayne, the King James Version, and other English versions of
the Bible have mis-translated that Commandment. The actual
interpretation of the Commandment is "Thou shall not murder."
--
Richard Jackson
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dss1951
"Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
> Not fair,
>
S Moir
"John Rennie" <Jo...@rennie.2000.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the DP.
> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
Lets
> have a straw poll
> I am an athiest and I am against the dp. Any others welcome.
>
I too am an atheist and oppose the DP.
Yours
Shona
Lucas Stults
Wayne <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
> Not fair,
>
> wayne olver
Where do we get these idiots from?
Wayne old pal, had you bothered to read the newsgroup before you jumped
in with your lamebrained comment, (sorry folks, but just how many times
do we have to have this discussion with?) you'd see that many people,
myself included, have posted dozens of Biblical quotations not just
supporting, but COMMANDING the death penalty.
The Bible is possibly the worst source on the planet to quote if you're
anti DP.
S Moir
"Lucas Stults" <stu...@ebold.com> wrote in message
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Lucas-
The bible is possibly the worst source on the planet to quote if you are
anti or for anything- there is a quotation in there to reject or support
almost any arguement under the sun.
Yours
Shona
Odagnop
Lucas Stults wrote:
> In article <397a25d3$0$11164$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
> Wayne <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
> murdered
> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> > Not fair,
> >
> > wayne olver
>
> Where do we get these idiots from?
> Wayne old pal, had you bothered to read the newsgroup before you
> jumped
> in with your lamebrained comment, (sorry folks, but just how many
> times
> do we have to have this discussion with?) you'd see that many people,
> myself included, have posted dozens of Biblical quotations not just
> supporting, but COMMANDING the death penalty.
>
> The Bible is possibly the worst source on the planet to quote if
> you're
> anti DP.
The Bible, read literally, is at best ambiguous on the point. As
examples:
In the Old Testament we find: "The soul that sinneth, it shall
die."
(Ezekial 18:20) And in Matthew 10:28, Jesus states: "And fear not them
which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear
him
which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell." Then there is
James
5:20: "(H)e which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall
save a soul from death."
So which kind of death supposedly "commanded" is it that you two
theologians are quarrelling about-- the physical or the figurative one?
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Rev. Don Kool
S Moir wrote:
> "John Rennie" <Jo...@rennie.2000.greatxscape.net> wrote...
> > It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the DP.
> > I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
> Lets
> > have a straw poll
> > I am an athiest and I am against the dp. Any others welcome.
> >
> ================================================================
>
> I too am an atheist and oppose the DP.
Most murderer lovers are also godless. It goes with the territory.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Perhaps they are referring to;
"He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
death."
The Holy Bible is quite unambiguous on this point, my child.
Yours in Christ,
John Smith
getting your support for the DP is from the "old covenent" law of the old
testament? Do you not realize that throught Christ the old law passed away?
In fact, in the book of Hebrews, it is admitted that that old system didn't
work! Man messed it up, and they were probably a little bit like you in
their attitudes. Our new command is to be like Christ. When Christ
encountered a woman that deserved the DP during his time at the well, he
showed her mercy, and didn't round up the crowd to kill her. Don't call
yourself a Christian and support the DP. Either call yourself a Jew, or
call yourself a worshipper of the southern baptist way.
By the way, I am Christian and I oppose the DP. The God I serve is well
equipped to deal with those who murder, and only He can make peace with the
victims of murder and those that murder. Let God be the true judge
concerning life and death. We can only prevent others from murdering again.
That crap about Texas not having life without parole is a valid arguement,
but not to kill. They need to have life without parole.
Rev. Don Kool
John Smith wrote:
>
> Have you even read the Bible?
I could hardly be an ordained minister without reading the Holy
Bible, my son.
> Do you not understand that where you are
> getting your support for the DP is from the "old covenent" law of the old
> testament? Do you not realize that throught Christ the old law passed away?
> In fact, in the book of Hebrews, it is admitted that that old system didn't
> work! Man messed it up, and they were probably a little bit like you in
> their attitudes. Our new command is to be like Christ. When Christ
> encountered a woman that deserved the DP during his time at the well, he
> showed her mercy, and didn't round up the crowd to kill her. Don't call
> yourself a Christian and support the DP.
I could hardly call myself a Christian if I did not.
> Either call yourself a Jew, or
> call yourself a worshipper of the southern baptist way.
Southern Baptists are Christians. Christians support the just
Death Penalty. See the New Testamant;
Romans 13:1-5
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no
power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance
of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt
thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and
thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do
that which is evil, be afraid; for he beateth not the sword in vain;
for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him
that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also
for conscience sake.
> By the way, I am Christian and I oppose the DP.
I will pray for you that you may find the truth.
> The God I serve is well
> equipped to deal with those who murder, and only He can make peace with the
> victims of murder and those that murder. Let God be the true judge
> concerning life and death.
God does judge the proven murderer in the afterlife. He sends them
to burn in Hell for all eternity.
> We can only prevent others from murdering again.
That is exactly what the just Death Penalty does, my son. It is
the only penalty that assures the proven murderer will never murder
again.
> That crap about Texas not having life without parole is a valid arguement,
> but not to kill. They need to have life without parole.
The Great State of Texas "beateth not the sword in vain".
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397A2FAE...@home.com>...
>
>
>Wayne wrote:
>>
>> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
>
>death."
>
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
Where can I find this senctence in the bible, exactly?
Florian
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool...
> >Wayne wrote:
> >> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> >> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> > Read a little further, my son;
> >
> > "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
> >death."
> Where can I find this senctence in the bible, exactly?
Page 73, right hand column.
Hope this helps,
TruckDrivingMan
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> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
>
> wayne olver
Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not very
agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
German
Tom
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not very
> agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> German
As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
chamber.
S Moir
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
> > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
> > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
very
> > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > German
>
> As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> chamber.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Don
Don-
That was nasty, sick and completely uncalled for. You are the most callous
person I have ever encountered. Any "real" minister of the church would
never had made that comment.
Truck driving Man-
I am not on the same side of the DP debate as you, but you did not deserve
Don Fool's reply.
Yours
Shona
TruckDrivingMan
news:397CAC10...@home.com...
>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
> > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
> > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
very
> > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > German
>
> As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> chamber.
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
> very
> > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > > German
> >
> > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > chamber.
> ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
John Smith
I'm praying for you. You don't trust in God to judge. You don't seem to
understand that Jesus, who you base your religion on, spared a woman the DP
for a crime deserving of that in that time.
Southern baptists are Christians. Southern baptists support whatever
comes out of Nashville. That is the truth about it. Other christians do
not support the DP.
God does NOT send proven murderers to hell for all eternity. He sends
unrepentent unbelievers to hell, according to the scriptures.
Forget it man. I am praying for you. You might not make it yourself to
heaven. You are probably just poking fun at scriptures anyway, or you are
some backwoods preacher that thinks that he knows everything about
everything yet only carries hate in his heart. You make no sense about
anything.
By the way, I am not your son. People like you disgust me when it comes
to propagating the gospel of peace and love. Maybe you should go to that
church in Kansas where they picket homosexual's graves.
John Smith
You guys enjoyed the inquisition years ago, too.
blan...@my-deja.com
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote:
> I could hardly be an ordained minister without reading the Holy
> Bible, my son.
Don here is not really an ordained minister, at least of the legitimate
kind (I admit to the possibility that he was ordained on a website and
paid $10 for a certificate, though I doubt even this, as I'm sure they
have some standards, however basic). He began claiming to be ordained
in early 1997, but has never revealed his denomination, any details
about his "ministry", nor where his "church" is.
It is either a kind of sick humor (he spouts the kind of bilge one
would never hear from a man of the cloth) or he believes, mistaken
though he is, that it lends his views some sort of credibility.
He is not a minister and it is doubtful he is a Christian. As the
Gospel says, by their fruits shall you know them, and Don's postings
are the very essence of rotten fruit. So don't waste your time on this
fake reverend - we all know he's not worth it.
Sincerely,
David.
Dave Proctor
> In article <397C7A19...@home.com>,
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > I could hardly be an ordained minister without reading the Holy
> > Bible, my son.
>
> Don here is not really an ordained minister, at least of the legitimate
> kind (I admit to the possibility that he was ordained on a website and
> paid $10 for a certificate, though I doubt even this, as I'm sure they
> have some standards, however basic). He began claiming to be ordained
> in early 1997, but has never revealed his denomination, any details
> about his "ministry", nor where his "church" is.
He was ordained by the Universal Life Church - you can find them at
http://www.ulc.org/ulc/ - several of us have been ordained by them - there
is Rev. AiTCh, myself (Rev. Dave), I believe there is Rev. John Rennie, as
well as Rev. Keischa (my labrador).
Rev. Dave
futur...@webtv.net
belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
their crime may be. It doesn't solve anything. The crime is already
committed. I'm not saying crimes should go unpunished. But I think the
harshest punishment should be life in prison. Our justice system is not
perfect. How many people are on our death rows that are innocent?? How
many have to die? THe entire reason for the penal system is to keep
society's unjust contained. You can contain someone in jail, but you
shouldn't contain them in death.
TruckDrivingMan
>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
> > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
murdered
> > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> > >
> > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
kV).Not
> > very
> > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons -
I'm a
> > > > German
> > >
> > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > chamber.
>
> > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
>
> You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
St.George
Dave Proctor <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Don't forget me, Dave - I'm fiercely proud of my ordinated status!
Rev. Mark
S Moir
Very well said.
Yours
Shona
<futur...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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TruckDrivingMan
"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:397CBEA3...@home.com...
>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
> > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
murdered
> > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> > >
> > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
kV).Not
> > very
> > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons -
I'm a
> > > > German
> > >
> > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > chamber.
>
> > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
>
> You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
Listen,you sanctimonious minister ! I was born 1976,that's exactly 31 years
AFTER Hitler.So I don't have ANYTHING to do with that what happened to 6
million Jews.I detest this genocide and the gas chamber.This is absolutely
disgusting,slow and painful.The only method of execution I'd agree is the
firing squad.That reveals what an execution is: a murder legalized by the
government.I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
had it here in Germany.But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
Hope this helps you,Reverend !
Rev. Don Kool
futur...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
> their crime may be.
And you are, of course, in error, my child.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
John Smith wrote:
You carry far too much hate in your heart, my son. Jesus taught us
to love and to forgive. You would do well to learn that lesson.
The Holy Bible demands that proven murderers be justly punished with
Death. It is the right way, the Christian way and the only way to
assure that they never murder again. Proven murderers are indeed
dispatched by God to burn in a fiery Hell for all eternity. That is
the path they have chosen and who are we to quetion it.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
S Moir wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
> very
> > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > > German
> >
> > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > chamber.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Don
> ===============================================================
>
> Don-
> That was nasty, sick and completely uncalled for. You are the most callous
> person I have ever encountered. Any "real" minister of the church would
> never had made that comment.
A "'real' minister of the church" did make that comment, my child
and there is nothing "callous" about it. Those who are so eager to
forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Already in the cesspool
that is europe your beloved "ethnic cleansing" is rampant,
unemployment is in the double digits and proven multiple murderers
are being released from "life" sentences in droves. All the while
you ignore the terror that takes place in your own backyard to decry
America's just punishment of proven murderers. You need to open
your eyes, my child, and see the horrors that are all around you.
When you gain maturity and perspective you will join the vast
majority of the world in seeing that the just Death Penalty is the
only appropriate and morally right punishment for those that choose
to murder.
Rev. Don Kool
John Smith wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> > > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
> murdered
> > > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> > > >
> > > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
> kV).Not
> > > very
> > > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons -
> I'm a
> > > > > German
> > > >
> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > > chamber.
> >
> > > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
> >
> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
> You guys enjoyed the inquisition years ago, too.
I'm not spanish and I'm not Catholic, my son. You'll have to look
elsewhere to pin blame for those typical european atrocities.
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> > > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a
> > > > > > person has murdered another person what right has
> > > > > > another to send one to his death.
> > > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> > > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
> > > > > kV).Not very agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for
> > > > > historical reasons - I'm a German
> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > > chamber.
> > > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
> And you think,that makes me love the gas chamber ??
Your "culture" elevated it to a fine art.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
[...snip...]
> > > > > And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > > > > German
> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > > chamber.
> > > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
> Listen,you sanctimonious minister !
More of the anger and hate that so permeates the anti Death Penalty
movement. :-(
> I was born 1976,that's exactly 31 years
> AFTER Hitler.
That explains your immature view, my son. Hopefully when you grow
up and learn more about the world you will not be so naive as to
believe that proven murderers should not be justly punished.
> So I don't have ANYTHING to do with that what happened to 6
> million Jews.I detest this genocide and the gas chamber.This is absolutely
> disgusting,slow and painful.The only method of execution I'd agree is the
> firing squad.That reveals what an execution is: a murder legalized by the
> government.
There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
"illegal homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
> I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
> had it here in Germany.
As do the vast majority of your countrymen.
> But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
> think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
> dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
punishment for those who choose to murder.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
TruckDrivingMan
>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
> [...snip...]
>
> > > > > > And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> > > > > > German
>
> > > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> > > > > chamber.
>
> > > > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
>
> > > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
>
> > Listen,you sanctimonious minister !
>
> More of the anger and hate that so permeates the anti Death Penalty
> movement. :-(
>
> > I was born 1976,that's exactly 31 years
> > AFTER Hitler.
>
> That explains your immature view, my son. Hopefully when you grow
> up and learn more about the world you will not be so naive as to
> believe that proven murderers should not be justly punished.
against DP !
>
> > So I don't have ANYTHING to do with that what happened to 6
> > million Jews.I detest this genocide and the gas chamber.This is
absolutely
> > disgusting,slow and painful.The only method of execution I'd agree is
the
> > firing squad.That reveals what an execution is: a murder legalized by
the
> > government.
>
> There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
> my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
> "illegal homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
> such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
When you kill someone by purpose,it's a murder ! It doesn't make any
difference if a bank robber shoots somebody or a jail officer pushes a
button.
>
> > I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
> > had it here in Germany.
>
> As do the vast majority of your countrymen.
Yes,but for another reason.They think in an "eye for an eye" manner
>
> > But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> > gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
> > think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
> > dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
>
> No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
> punishment for those who choose to murder.
Which use has a murderer from his punishment when he's dead ? Btw.: Mine is
the revenge,speaks the Lord (freely translated)
Be well
Tom
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
[...snip...]
> > There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
> > my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
> > "illegal homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
> > such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
> When you kill someone by purpose,it's a murder !
Actually that would be a homicide, my son. If it was done in self
defense, it would be a justifiable homicide. If it was done
illegally, then it could be anything from a manslaughter to a first
degree murder depending upon the circumstances. If it was first
degree murder with special circumstances, then the proven murderer
would deserve the just Death Penalty.
> It doesn't make any
> difference if a bank robber shoots somebody or a jail officer pushes a
> button.
Actually Tom, it does. You need to brush up on your English.
> > > I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
> > > had it here in Germany.
> > As do the vast majority of your countrymen.
> Yes,but for another reason.They think in an "eye for an eye" manner
Yes "they" are never as smart as "we"... the German perspective.
> > > But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> > > gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
> > > think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
> > > dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
> > No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
> > punishment for those who choose to murder.
> Which use has a murderer from his punishment when he's dead ? Btw.: Mine is
> the revenge,speaks the Lord (freely translated)
The just execution is the punishment, my son. The proven murderer
is instantly "rehabilitated".
TruckDrivingMan
>
>
> TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
>
> [...snip...]
>
> > > There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
> > > my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
> > > "illegal homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
> > > such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
>
> > When you kill someone by purpose,it's a murder !
>
> Actually that would be a homicide, my son. If it was done in self
> defense, it would be a justifiable homicide. If it was done
> illegally, then it could be anything from a manslaughter to a first
> degree murder depending upon the circumstances. If it was first
> degree murder with special circumstances, then the proven murderer
> would deserve the just Death Penalty.
>
> > It doesn't make any
> > difference if a bank robber shoots somebody or a jail officer pushes a
> > button.
>
> Actually Tom, it does.
Aha! You certainly don't act by purpose when you kill somebody in self
defense
> You need to brush up on your English
Oh sorry ! I bet,my English is better than your German ever will be !!
> > > > I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
> > > > had it here in Germany.
>
> > > As do the vast majority of your countrymen.
>
> > Yes,but for another reason.They think in an "eye for an eye" manner
>
> Yes "they" are never as smart as "we"... the German perspective.
I think,that an all-nations-perspective.Some decades ago,the white Americans
also thought they're better than Indians or Blacks
>
> > > > But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> > > > gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes
I
> > > > think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society
from a
> > > > dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
>
> > > No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
> > > punishment for those who choose to murder.
>
> > Which use has a murderer from his punishment when he's dead ? Btw.: Mine
is
> > the revenge,speaks the Lord (freely translated)
>
> The just execution is the punishment, my son. The proven murderer
> is instantly "rehabilitated".
I'm sure,the murderer will appreciate it. ;-)
blan...@my-deja.com
"Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> <blan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8lj482
$rje$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <397C7A19...@home.com>,
> > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I could hardly be an ordained minister without reading the Holy
> > > Bible, my son.
> >
> > Don here is not really an ordained minister, at least of the
legitimate
> > kind (I admit to the possibility that he was ordained on a website
and
> > paid $10 for a certificate, though I doubt even this, as I'm sure
they
> > have some standards, however basic). He began claiming to be
ordained
> > in early 1997, but has never revealed his denomination, any details
> > about his "ministry", nor where his "church" is.
>
> He was ordained by the Universal Life Church - you can find them at
> http://www.ulc.org/ulc/ - several of us have been ordained by them -
there
> is Rev. AiTCh, myself (Rev. Dave), I believe there is Rev. John
Rennie, as
> well as Rev. Keischa (my labrador).
>
> Rev. Dave
Is the Reverend Keischa available for weddings, by any chance?
blan...@my-deja.com
And as of 3 minutes ago, you can add the Reverend David to the list. I
especially love the neat certificate you can print. I might have my
cats, Sam and Otis ordained as well.
Sincerely,
The Reverend David.
david
>
>"Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:397CBEA3...@home.com...
You know, killfiles have limited utility when every Outlook Express
user and newbie on the group feels compelled to include Kool's ravings
in every reply.
TruckDriver, you can do what you want of course, but keep in mind that
Don Kool has, to my knowledge, never made even a semi-intelligent
reply to anybody's post. He spouts out his offensive nonsense solely
in order to offend people and watch their outraged replies. Most of
us killfiled him long, long ago.
In other words, you're just feeding the troll.
Osmo Ronkanen
TruckDrivingMan <truckdr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
>barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not very
>German
Do you feel same for guillotine for the same reason? (That Nazis used it)
Osmo
TruckDrivingMan
news:slrn8nrim7...@tristan.local.dom...
>
S Moir
> <blan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8lkg7p$s0t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > Is the Reverend Keischa available for weddings, by any chance?
>
>
> Dave
>
==============================================================
The Reverend David's cat could peform the ceremony as long as you promise
payment in tunafish
Yours
Shona
blan...@my-deja.com
"Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> <blan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8lkg7p$s0t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > Is the Reverend Keischa available for weddings, by any chance?
>
> You want to marry her?
>
> Dave
I dunno, is she a looker?
Sincerely,
Warnock
<397a25d3$0$11164$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...
>The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>wayne olver
Definitely God's prerogative!
Warnock
>John Rennie wrote:
>> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
DP.
>> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
>
> The views of the "agnostic/athiest [sic]" are irrelevant. We are
>One Nation Under God, my son.
>
> Yours in Christ,
> Don
As the New Testament does NOT make provision for a death penalty, and Christ
did not appear to favour it, you are treading on dangerous ground Don.
Warnock
>Wayne wrote:
>>
>> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
>
> "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
>death."
>
> Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
> Don
Old Testament, Don, and as you should know the New Testament was given to us
to replace the Old Testament.
Warnock
>In article <397a25d3$0$11164$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>>
>>
>> wayne olver
>>
>>
>
>Actually Wayne, the King James Version, and other English versions of
>the Bible have mis-translated that Commandment. The actual
>interpretation of the Commandment is "Thou shall not murder."
Interesting comment that, but I think that the real translation is, " Thou
shalt not kill humans " - replacing ' kill ' with ' murder ' is just a play
on words, so that you can avoid posters who call state executions " murder
".
Warnock
>In article <397a25d3$0$11164$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
>Wayne <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>>
>> Not fair,
>>
>> wayne olver
>
>Wayne old pal, had you bothered to read the newsgroup before you jumped
>in with your lamebrained comment, (sorry folks, but just how many times
>do we have to have this discussion with?) you'd see that many people,
>myself included, have posted dozens of Biblical quotations not just
>supporting, but COMMANDING the death penalty.
>
>The Bible is possibly the worst source on the planet to quote if you're
>anti DP.
On the contrary, any Christian who favours the death penalty should examine
their belief very carefully. The only Biblical references to the death
penalty are in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is a historic
review, replaced by the LAW of The New Testament, which preaches Love and
Service - NO death penalty!
Warnock
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> The Bible, read literally, is at best ambiguous on the point. As
>examples:
The Bible is not ambiguous:
> In the Old Testament we find: "The soul that sinneth, it shall
>die."
>(Ezekial 18:20)
This is OLd Testament, and these laws are reprieved.
And in Matthew 10:28, Jesus states: "And fear not them
>which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear
>him
>which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell."
This is not revelant to the horrific death penalty, it is merely a
statement, not to worry about murderers but about God who is all powerful.
>Then there is
>James
>5:20: "(H)e which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall
>save a soul from death."
Again this has nothing to do with the death penalty.
Dave Proctor
Dave Proctor
> In article <oEof5.148296$t91.1...@news4.giganews.com>,
> "Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Big and jet black.
Rev. Dave
JIGSAW1695
From: futur...@webtv.net
Date: 7/25/00 2:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <7583-397...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty.
============================]
And I am a Christian and I strongly support the death penalty.
Jigsaw
Dave Proctor
news:8llcb0$ksm$4...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> >>
> >> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> >> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> >
> > "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
> >death."
> >
> > Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
> > Don
>
>
> Old Testament, Don, and as you should know the New Testament was given to
us
> to replace the Old Testament.
As I *DO* know, the Old Testament was not replaced by the New Testament,
rather the two work hand in hand, with the New Testament taking precedence
over the Old Testament where the two are contradictory.
Go to any Roman Catholic mass on a Sunday, and you will hear three
readings - one from the Old Testament, one from the New Testament, and one
from the Gospels. If the Old Testament had been replaced, it would be
relegated to an interesting aspect of history, and would have no place in
our liturgies.
Dave
Dave Proctor
> On the contrary, any Christian who favours the death penalty should
examine
> their belief very carefully. The only Biblical references to the death
> penalty are in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is a historic
> review, replaced by the LAW of The New Testament, which preaches Love and
> Service - NO death penalty!
You had better tell the people who lectured me in theology that, as well as
those responsible for my formation when I was in a religious order. You had
also better tell just about every theologian of note.
Dave
Dave Proctor
> Odagnop wrote in message <397B5D60...@payit.com>...
> >**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
>
> > The Bible, read literally, is at best ambiguous on the point. As
> >examples:
>
>
> The Bible is not ambiguous:
Actually, it is.
> > In the Old Testament we find: "The soul that sinneth, it shall
> >die."
> >(Ezekial 18:20)
>
> This is OLd Testament, and these laws are reprieved.
No they aren't.
> And in Matthew 10:28, Jesus states: "And fear not them
> >which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear
> >him
> >which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell."
>
> This is not revelant to the horrific death penalty, it is merely a
> statement, not to worry about murderers but about God who is all powerful.
But it was a direct statement recognising that it does happen, without
adding condemnation. You will not find any utterances of Jesus about the DP.
> >Then there is
> >James
> >5:20: "(H)e which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall
> >save a soul from death."
>
> Again this has nothing to do with the death penalty.
Ok, your turn now. Find something that is directly against the death penalty
in the New Testament. I reserve the right to use the same arguments as you
have though to shoot down your references.
Dave
blan...@my-deja.com
"Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> <blan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ll7d6
$eid$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <oEof5.148296$t91.1...@news4.giganews.com>,
> > "Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > > <blan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8lkg7p$s0t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >
> > > > Is the Reverend Keischa available for weddings, by any chance?
> > >
> > > You want to marry her?
> > >
> > > Dave
> >
> > I dunno, is she a looker?
>
> Big and jet black.
>
> Rev. Dave
Sounds like my kinda girl. I think the wife might have something to
say about it though.
Sincerely,
Rev. David.
Rev. Don Kool
Warnock wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> >John Rennie wrote:
> >> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> >> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >> It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the
> DP.
> >> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
> >
> > The views of the "agnostic/athiest [sic]" are irrelevant. We are
> >One Nation Under God, my son.
> As the New Testament does NOT make provision for a death penalty, and Christ
> did not appear to favour it, you are treading on dangerous ground Don.
Not at all, my child. The Holy Bible is quite clear in favoring
the just Death Penalty.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Dave Proctor wrote:
> "Warnock" <war...@pop.co.za> wrote...
> > Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> > >Wayne wrote:
> > >> The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> > >> another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> > >
> > > Read a little further, my son;
> > >
> > > "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to
> > >death."
> > >
> > > Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
> > > Don
> >
> >
> > Old Testament, Don, and as you should know the New Testament was given to
> us
> > to replace the Old Testament.
>
> As I *DO* know, the Old Testament was not replaced by the New Testament,
> rather the two work hand in hand, with the New Testament taking precedence
> over the Old Testament where the two are contradictory.
>
> Go to any Roman Catholic mass on a Sunday, and you will hear three
> readings - one from the Old Testament, one from the New Testament, and one
> from the Gospels. If the Old Testament had been replaced, it would be
> relegated to an interesting aspect of history, and would have no place in
> our liturgies.
It is heartening to see that Dave learned something before flunking
out of seminary.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> worte...
> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > > > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> >
> > [...snip...]
> >
> > > > There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
> > > > my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
> > > > "illegal homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
> > > > such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
> > > When you kill someone by purpose,it's a murder !
> > Actually that would be a homicide, my son. If it was done in self
> > defense, it would be a justifiable homicide. If it was done
> > illegally, then it could be anything from a manslaughter to a first
> > degree murder depending upon the circumstances. If it was first
> > degree murder with special circumstances, then the proven murderer
> > would deserve the just Death Penalty.
> > > It doesn't make any
> > > difference if a bank robber shoots somebody or a jail officer pushes a
> > > button.
> > Actually Tom, it does.
> Aha! You certainly don't act by purpose when you kill somebody in self
> defense
Perhaps you should repeat the above in English.
> > You need to brush up on your English
> Oh sorry ! I bet,my English is better than your German ever will be !!
I should hope so. Little gibberish "languages" like german and
french have no place in the modern world. English is the
International language.
> > > > > I don't wanna say that DP is generally bad,sometimes I wish we
> > > > > had it here in Germany.
> > > > As do the vast majority of your countrymen.
> > > Yes,but for another reason.They think in an "eye for an eye" manner
> > Yes "they" are never as smart as "we"... the German perspective.
> I think,that an all-nations-perspective.Some decades ago,the white Americans
> also thought they're better than Indians or Blacks
Not hardly, my son.
> > > > > But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> > > > > gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes
> > > > > I think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society
> > > > > from a dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
> > > > No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
> > > > punishment for those who choose to murder.
> > > Which use has a murderer from his punishment when he's dead ? Btw.: Mine
> > > is the revenge,speaks the Lord (freely translated)
> > The just execution is the punishment, my son. The proven murderer
> > is instantly "rehabilitated".
> I'm sure,the murderer will appreciate it. ;-)
Proven murderers never appreciate their punishment. They're all
"innocent" remember; just ask them.
Yours in Christ,
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397EF54D...@home.com>...
>
>
>Warnock wrote:
>> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
>> >John Rennie wrote:
>> >> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
murdered
>> >> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>> DP.
>> >> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
>> >
>> > The views of the "agnostic/athiest [sic]" are irrelevant. We are
>> >One Nation Under God, my son.
>
>> As the New Testament does NOT make provision for a death penalty, and
Christ
>> did not appear to favour it, you are treading on dangerous ground Don.
>
> Not at all, my child. The Holy Bible is quite clear in favoring
>the just Death Penalty.
>
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
To which church do you belong, the "Church of Killers" perhaps??
Florian
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397D71D1...@home.com>...
>
>
>futur...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
>> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
>> their crime may be.
>
> And you are, of course, in error, my child.
>
> Yours in Christ,
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
Don, if I read you postings, I think you have invented a new bible??
Florian
Florian Mair
JIGSAW1695 schrieb in Nachricht
<20000725203002...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
>Subject: Re: Executions are barbaric
>From: futur...@webtv.net
>Date: 7/25/00 2:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <7583-397...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
>
>
>
>And I am a Christian and I strongly support the death penalty.
>
>
>Jigsaw
No Christian can support the DP that's against the rules of the Christian
Church!
Florian
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397CAC10...@home.com>...
>
>
>TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
>> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
>> barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
very
>> agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
>> German
>
>chamber.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
I think TruckDrivingMan isn't one of these people who have used the gas
chamber during WW 2. You can't blame the young generation for the actions
which have been done by their grandparents! That's not fair!
Florian Mair
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397CAC10...@home.com>...
>
>
>TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>
>> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
>> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
>
>> Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
>> barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
very
>> agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
>> German
>
> As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
>chamber.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
Ahh Don shut up!
Florian
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397D73D5...@home.com>...
>
>
>John Smith wrote:
>> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>> >
>> > > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
>> murdered
>> > > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his
death.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
>> > > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
>> kV).Not
>> > > very
>> > > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons -
>> I'm a
>> > > > > German
>> > > >
>> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
>> > > > chamber.
>> >
>> >
>> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
>
>> You guys enjoyed the inquisition years ago, too.
>
> I'm not spanish and I'm not Catholic, my son. You'll have to look
>elsewhere to pin blame for those typical european atrocities.
>
> Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
Yes Don, everything bad is typical european......we know it now!
Florian Mair
Florian Mair
Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397EF6D9...@home.com>...
>
>
>TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> worte...
>> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> > > > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>> >
>> >
> Don
>
>
>--
>********************** You a bounty hunter?
>* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>http://members.home.net/oldno7
Don, you should stop writing now, it's getting very silly! You're always the
"best", your country is always the "best", you're language is always the
"best", you're culture is always the "best", you're opinion is always the
"best".
That's very boring, Don. You should concentrate on what you're writing in
the future!
You should understand that every country, also the USA, has done terrible
things. No country is holy!
Hope have things cleared up for you my son!
Florian
Mr. Mullholland
go out and rape little girls and cut up their bodies and then bury the pieces,
but because I "believe" that Jesus died on the cross for my sins (effectively,
I follow your belief system) then I don't have to worry about any punishment in
the afterlife? God will let a person that does such a thing into Heaven simply
for "believing" the Word? I will never understand that train of thought and
that is why I refuse to follow Christianity.
John Smith wrote:
> God does NOT send proven murderers to hell for all eternity. He sends
> unrepentent unbelievers to hell, according to the scriptures.
Mr. X
how you can compare "life in prison" as "punishment" for the crime of
torturing someone to death? Did you know the average # of years that
someone spends in prison for murder is 5 years? That's sick! And quite,
quite often they get out only to murder again! Do you know that the mother
of the Bianca that was killed by Charles Mansons followers had to break her
silence to keep her daughter's killer in jail because she was "eligible for
parole" after the laws in CA changed? The truth is that life in prison can
NEVER be a certain thing but the death penalty CAN!
futur...@webtv.net wrote:
> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
> their crime may be. It doesn't solve anything. The crime is already
> committed. I'm not saying crimes should go unpunished. But I think the
> harshest punishment should be life in prison. Our justice system is not
> perfect. How many people are on our death rows that are innocent?? How
> many have to die? THe entire reason for the penal system is to keep
> society's unjust contained. You can contain someone in jail, but you
> shouldn't contain them in death.
Mr. X
if you had a bad shot as the executioner(s) and they missed any vital organs or
arteries and the person has to spend a few minutes in agonizing pain before
he/she succumbs? I'm not against that kind of pain, I'm just wondering why you
think that is less "disgusting" than the gas chamber? Not that I know what
happens to a person in a gas chamber, but I'd think it would be like the
injection and the person just goes to sleep.
Anyway, I strongly believe that convicted rapists and killers should be put to
death the same way that they're victims were. In other words, if you raped
someone before killing them, you in turn should get raped (ass raped for the
men) and then put to death in the same manner as you did your victim. And if
you had multiple victims, you should receive the method that the jury (or
victim's family) agrees is the most painful! I can promise you that if this
were the case, if killers had to consider that they might die the same way as
they treat their victims, we'd have alot less murders!
TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> I detest this genocide and the gas chamber.This is absolutely
> disgusting,slow and painful.The only method of execution I'd agree is the
> firing squad.
John Rennie
What then are the results of my straw poll? It appears that
athiests/agnostics are 100% against the DP and the Christians are 50/50.
What does this prove. Buggerall really.
A Planet Visitor
"Florian Mair" <Mail...@web.de> wrote in message
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A Planet Visitor
repenting is encapsulated in the words, "Go, and sin no more."
If the final act of your temporal life is the acceptance of Christ,
your PAST sins are washed away, through baptism, or
the first acceptance of that principle. In fact, the most
grievous sin is to have accepted Christ in the past, but
to not follow the principles of that acceptance in your future
actions. In dogma, Jesus washed away original sin, and
our actions after this acceptance are those of our own
"free will." And, before everyone jumps to their keyboards,
with flaming intentions to commit grievous harm (A sin) to my
person, I must insist this is IMHO, and you may believe what
you wish!
"Mr. Mullholland" <minu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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A Planet Visitor
want to know, wouldn't you agree??
"Mr. X" <minu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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TruckDrivingMan
"Florian Mair" <Mail...@web.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397D73D5...@home.com>...
> >
> >
> >John Smith wrote:
> >> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >> >
> >> murdered
> >> > > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his
> death.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> >> > > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
> >> kV).Not
> >> > > very
> >> > > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical
reasons -
> >> I'm a
> >> > > > > German
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> >> > > > chamber.
> >> >
> >> > > ?!?!????!? What the hell is that supposed to mean ????
> >> >
> >> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
> >
> >> You guys enjoyed the inquisition years ago, too.
> >
> > I'm not spanish and I'm not Catholic, my son. You'll have to look
> >elsewhere to pin blame for those typical european atrocities.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >--
> >********************** You a bounty hunter?
> >* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> >* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
> >********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
> >http://members.home.net/oldno7
>
>
> Florian Mair
unsere schöne Sprache,also schreib ruhig ein bißchen deutsch
>
TruckDrivingMan
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> The firing squad could be painful and slow as well, relatively speaking.
What
> if you had a bad shot as the executioner(s) and they missed any vital
organs or
> arteries and the person has to spend a few minutes in agonizing pain
before
> he/she succumbs? I'm not against that kind of pain, I'm just wondering
why you
> think that is less "disgusting" than the gas chamber? Not that I know
what
> happens to a person in a gas chamber, but I'd think it would be like the
> injection and the person just goes to sleep.
>
I don't think that you survive five bullets in your chest/head.But firing
squad ain't as spectacular as the gas chamber,is it ?
> Anyway, I strongly believe that convicted rapists and killers should be
put to
> death the same way that they're victims were. In other words, if you
raped
> someone before killing them, you in turn should get raped (ass raped for
the
> men) and then put to death in the same manner as you did your victim. And
if
> you had multiple victims, you should receive the method that the jury (or
> victim's family) agrees is the most painful! I can promise you that if
this
> were the case, if killers had to consider that they might die the same way
as
> they treat their victims, we'd have alot less murders!
That what you're talking about is called revenge,this has nothing to do with
just punishment.I tried to persuade that minister of death (I think we all
know of whom I'm talking),but without success
blan...@my-deja.com
"Florian Mair" <Mail...@web.de> wrote:
>
> JIGSAW1695 schrieb in Nachricht
> <20000725203002...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Re: Executions are barbaric
> >From: futur...@webtv.net
> >Date: 7/25/00 2:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <7583-397...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >And I am a Christian and I strongly support the death penalty.
> >
> >
> >Jigsaw
>
Christian
> Church!
>
Bible is completely ambiguous on the issue, with the Old Testament
supporting it for a wide range of crimes, and the New Testament
teachings of Christ tending to disavow the use of capital punishment.
Like any other pressing social issue, you can make a case for both
sides of an argument cut from biblical cloth.
I am a Christian and opposed to the death penalty, but it is a matter
of individual conscience, not dogma. A reasonable, Christian person
can differ - I'd think them wrong, but not cast aspersions on their
faithfulness to their beliefs. I'd cast aspersions on "The Reverend"
McDonald's beliefs, but that is for entirely different reasons.
As a Christian, Florian, love and respect your brethren. You cannot
know for sure what is inside a man's heart - only He who knows all
things can.
Sincerely,
Dave Proctor
> <20000725203002...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
> >Subject: Re: Executions are barbaric
> >From: futur...@webtv.net
> >Date: 7/25/00 2:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <7583-397...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
> >
> >I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty.
> >
> >============================]
> >
> >And I am a Christian and I strongly support the death penalty.
> >
> >
> >Jigsaw
>
> No Christian can support the DP that's against the rules of the Christian
> Church!
Firstly, the is no "Christian Church". Secondly, it is not against the rules
of any of the Christian denominations. Whilst most encourage their members
to be against the DP, it is left as a matter for the individuals conscience.
Dave
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> >Warnock wrote:
> >> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> >> >John Rennie wrote:
> >> >> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> >> >> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
> murdered
> >> >> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >> >> It is interesting the different views held by Christians regarding the
> >> DP.
> >> >> I wonder whether the agnostic/athiest view on the dp varies as much?
> >> >
> >> > The views of the "agnostic/athiest [sic]" are irrelevant. We are
> >> >One Nation Under God, my son.
> >
> >> As the New Testament does NOT make provision for a death penalty, and
> Christ
> >> did not appear to favour it, you are treading on dangerous ground Don.
> >
> > Not at all, my child. The Holy Bible is quite clear in favoring
> >the just Death Penalty.
> >
> To which church do you belong, the "Church of Killers" perhaps??
No, I am a Christian, Adolf.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool...
> >futur...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>
> >> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
> >> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
> >> their crime may be.
> >
> > And you are, of course, in error, my child.
> Don, if I read you postings, I think you have invented a new bible??
No, we use the same Holy Bible that has been around for thousands
of years. The one that clearly states, "He that smiteth a man, so
that he die, shall be surely put to death."
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool...
> >John Smith wrote:
> >> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
[...snip...]
> Yes Don, everything bad is typical european......we know it now!
Everyone else has known it for quite some time, my malodorous
european friend. Now that you've seen the light, I'm sure you'll do
the right thing and become a vocal supporter of the just Death
Penalty for proven murderers. After all, the just Death Penalty is
the only appropriate and morally right punishment for those that
choose to murder.
Hope this helps,
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> >TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> worte...
> >> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> >> > > > > > > > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
[...snip long section that eurotrash included without comment...]
> Don, you should stop writing now, it's getting very silly! You're always the
> "best", your country is always the "best", you're language is always the
> "best", you're culture is always the "best", you're opinion is always the
> "best".
>
> That's very boring, Don.
The facts remain the facts, my unwashed european friend. Sadly one
fact that you're unwilling to face is that the just Death Penalty is
the only appropriate and morally right punishment for those that
choose to murder.
> You should concentrate on what you're writing in
> the future!
I always concentrate on what I'm writing, my son. You should
concentrate on your English.
> You should understand that every country, also the USA, has done terrible
> things.
It is you europeans who embrace your beloved "ethnic cleansing"
so. It is you who chose to throw open the jailhouse doors and foist
dozens of proven multiple murderers onto an unsuspecting populace.
Proven multiple murderers who's most fervent stated wish is, 'to
have killed more people'.
> No country is holy!
No european country to be sure.
Rev. Don Kool
Florian Mair wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool...
> >TruckDrivingMan wrote:
> >> "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
> >
> >> > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has murdered
> >> > another person what right has another to send one to his death.
> >
> >> Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both is
> >> barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400 kV).Not
> very
> >> agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical reasons - I'm a
> >> German
> >
> > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
> >chamber.
> I think TruckDrivingMan isn't one of these people who have used the gas
> chamber during WW 2. You can't blame the young generation for the actions
> which have been done by their grandparents! That's not fair!
That must be why "the young generation" is paying millions in
reparations. Reparations that are long overdue.
Yours in Christ,
Warnock
>futur...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
>> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
>> their crime may be.
>
> And you are, of course, in error, my child.
The day of judgement will dawn, Don, we will see what happens then!
>
> Yours in Christ,
> Don
Warnock
>Have you even read the Bible? Do you not understand that where you are
>getting your support for the DP is from the "old covenent" law of the old
>testament? Do you not realize that throught Christ the old law passed
away?
>In fact, in the book of Hebrews, it is admitted that that old system didn't
>work! Man messed it up, and they were probably a little bit like you in
>their attitudes. Our new command is to be like Christ. When Christ
>encountered a woman that deserved the DP during his time at the well, he
>showed her mercy, and didn't round up the crowd to kill her. Don't call
>yourself a Christian and support the DP. Either call yourself a Jew, or
>call yourself a worshipper of the southern baptist way.
> By the way, I am Christian and I oppose the DP. The God I serve is well
>equipped to deal with those who murder, and only He can make peace with the
>victims of murder and those that murder. Let God be the true judge
>concerning life and death. We can only prevent others from murdering
again.
>That crap about Texas not having life without parole is a valid arguement,
>but not to kill. They need to have life without parole.
Seems I have some support, Dave Proctor, I will work on some Biblical
references over the next week or so.
Warnock
>
>understand that Jesus, who you base your religion on, spared a woman the DP
>for a crime deserving of that in that time.
> Southern baptists are Christians. Southern baptists support whatever
>comes out of Nashville. That is the truth about it. Other christians do
>not support the DP.
> God does NOT send proven murderers to hell for all eternity. He sends
>unrepentent unbelievers to hell, according to the scriptures.
>heaven. You are probably just poking fun at scriptures anyway, or you are
>some backwoods preacher that thinks that he knows everything about
>everything yet only carries hate in his heart. You make no sense about
>anything.
> By the way, I am not your son. People like you disgust me when it comes
>to propagating the gospel of peace and love. Maybe you should go to that
>church in Kansas where they picket homosexual's graves.
Don is not a preacher for any of the recognised church groups.
Warnock
>> The Bible is not ambiguous:
>
>Actually, it is.
>
>> > In the Old Testament we find: "The soul that sinneth, it shall
>> >die."
>> >(Ezekial 18:20)
>>
>> This is OLd Testament, and these laws are reprieved.
>
>No they aren't.
>
>> And in Matthew 10:28, Jesus states: "And fear not them
>> >which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear
>> >him
>> >which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell."
>>
>> This is not revelant to the horrific death penalty, it is merely a
>> statement, not to worry about murderers but about God who is all
powerful.
>
>But it was a direct statement recognising that it does happen, without
>adding condemnation. You will not find any utterances of Jesus about the
DP.
Quite right there are no references where Jesus either supported or opposed
the death penalty, however, the BIble talks of ' men being known by the
fruits they bear ', looking at Jesus' attituted to life, His preaching Love
and Service, it would seem conclusive that He was anti death sentences.
>> >Then there is
>> >James
>> >5:20: "(H)e which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall
>> >save a soul from death."
>>
>> Again this has nothing to do with the death penalty.
>
>Ok, your turn now. Find something that is directly against the death
penalty
>in the New Testament. I reserve the right to use the same arguments as you
>have though to shoot down your references.
Christ's attitude toward people who should have been executed, the Whore for
example. Jesus said that it was the law that she should be stoned to death,
and she was guilty, however, let he that is innocent throw the first
stone!!!
>Dave
Warnock
> There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
>my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
>" homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
>such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
State murder is most certainly committed with malice aforethought, usually
about 10 years of malice building up to the great joy of execution day!
Symptoms of a sick society.
>> But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
>> gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
>> think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
>> dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
>
> No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
>punishment for those who choose to murder.
Nothing wrong with true LWOP, were there is no parole!
Rev. Don Kool
Warnock wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> > There is no such thing as "a murder legalized by the government",
> >my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
> >" homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
> >such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
>
> State murder is most certainly committed with malice aforethought, usually
> about 10 years of malice building up to the great joy of execution day!
> Symptoms of a sick society.
There is no such thing as "state murder [sic]", my illiterate
friend. A murder is by definition illegal.
> >> But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
> >> gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
> >> think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
> >> dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
> > No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
> >punishment for those who choose to murder.
> Nothing wrong with true LWOP, were there is no parole!
An interesting hypothesis. Of course no one will ever know as
there is no such thing as "true LWOP [sic]".
Hope this helps,
Dave Proctor
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> Quite right there are no references where Jesus either supported or
opposed
> the death penalty, however, the BIble talks of ' men being known by the
> fruits they bear ', looking at Jesus' attituted to life, His preaching
Love
> and Service, it would seem conclusive that He was anti death sentences.
Not necessarily. His words "Give unto Caeser that which is Caesers, give
unto God that which is God's" shows He recognised the difference between
spiritual authority and temporal authority, and that neither is superior or
subservient to the other. It would have been quite easy for Him to make a
definitive statement against the DP, particularly when He was being
crucified. He did not do so.
Now this is not to say that He was in support of the DP, but it is
impossible to say that He was against it as well. All it does is add to the
ambiguity, as acknowledged by theologians through the centuries.
> >Ok, your turn now. Find something that is directly against the death
> penalty
> >in the New Testament. I reserve the right to use the same arguments as
you
> >have though to shoot down your references.
>
> Christ's attitude toward people who should have been executed, the Whore
for
> example. Jesus said that it was the law that she should be stoned to
death,
> and she was guilty, however, let he that is innocent throw the first
> stone!!!
Actuall,y it was "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." At the
time there was no concept of the forgiveness of sins, in fact the concept
was anathema to the Jewish people (still is I believe) so there would not
have been one person there who was without sin.
The point of that exercise was to demonstrate that people should be
forgiven. This is not to say that they can be excused from their earthly
penalties, however. An example of this is PP John Paul II, who forgave the
man who tried to assassinate him. As head of state of Vatican City (where
the offence occurred) he also had the power to pardon him, and this he did
not do. It is an example of forgiving (which is what Christ was
demonstrating with the adulteress) whilst still inflicting earthly penalties
(which is the DP).
Dave
The Crab with Lemon sauce
Warnock wrote in message <8lo83j$44a$6...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
>>my illiterate goosestepping friend. A murder by definition is an
>>" homicide committed with malice aforethought". There is no
>>such thing as a "legalized illegal homicide".
Actually the state derives its power from the people, and since all that is
needed is a simple majority, the DP is legalized murder by the government
for the people. And as log as there is a majority the law will remian the
same.
>
>
>State murder is most certainly committed with malice aforethought, usually
>about 10 years of malice building up to the great joy of execution day!
>Symptoms of a sick society.
Being a Texan, the joy is knowing that a sick individual has been dealt with
and no longer poses a threat to society. The symptoms of a sick society is
one where no one is held accountable to their victim. In Texas the Victims
family can watch the execution and have what most have said is a closure.
The sick socities in Europe have LWOP and the criminal outlivs the victims
relatives in some cases. Truly a sad state of affairs.
>
>>> But the methods used in the US (I'm talking about the
>>> gas ,chair and injection) are only good for to make a show.Sometimes I
>>> think,executions are not for punishment or for protecting society from a
>>> dangerous criminal,but simply for primitive revenge.
>>
>> No, a just execution is the only appropriate and morally right
>>punishment for those who choose to murder.
>
>
>Nothing wrong with true LWOP, were there is no parole!
LWOP is too easy Death at least puts the criminal in a certain situation
where they can feel the fear their victims went through, the really great
part is that the criminal knows he is here because of his or her actions.
If he or she was not such a piece of murdering shit, they would not be
strapped to a table making a final statement. So in a nutshell the DP is
the great equalizer, it brings the criminal to the primal level of fear that
their victims went through.
>
>
Desmond Coughlan
} Even killers who abducted, raped, and tortured people to death? I wonder
} how you can compare "life in prison" as "punishment" for the crime of
} torturing someone to death? Did you know the average # of years that
} someone spends in prison for murder is 5 years? That's sick! And quite,
} quite often they get out only to murder again! Do you know that the mother
} of the Bianca that was killed by Charles Mansons followers had to break her
} silence to keep her daughter's killer in jail because she was "eligible for
} parole" after the laws in CA changed? The truth is that life in prison can
} NEVER be a certain thing but the death penalty CAN!
Yes: certain to result in the execution of innocents.
[snip]
--
Desmond Coughlan |Restez Zen ... UNIX peut le faire
des...@coughlan.net
http://www.coughlan.net/desmond
Rev. Don Kool
Warnock wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote...
> >futur...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> I am a Christian and I strongly oppose the death penalty. I do not
> >> belive that we have a right to take another persons life no matter what
> >> their crime may be.
> > And you are, of course, in error, my child.
> The day of judgement will dawn, Don, we will see what happens then!
Yes it will and you certainly will be in for a rude awakening.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan <des...@cybercable.fr> wrote:
> Mr. X <minu...@flash.net> wrote:
> } Even killers who abducted, raped, and tortured people to death? I wonder
> } how you can compare "life in prison" as "punishment" for the crime of
> } torturing someone to death? Did you know the average # of years that
> } someone spends in prison for murder is 5 years? That's sick! And quite,
> } quite often they get out only to murder again! Do you know that the mother
> } of the Bianca that was killed by Charles Mansons followers had to break her
> } silence to keep her daughter's killer in jail because she was "eligible for
> } parole" after the laws in CA changed? The truth is that life in prison can
> } NEVER be a certain thing but the death penalty CAN!
>
> Yes: certain to result in the execution of innocents.
Not in the United States (the greatest country on the face of the
Earth, BTW). Here there has not been even a single case of an
"innocent" man being mistakenly executed since reintroduction of the
just Death Penalty in the late 1970s.
Hope this helps,
Florian Mair
TruckDrivingMan schrieb in Nachricht <8lnfj6$mp2$10$1...@news.t-online.com>...
>
>"Florian Mair" <Mail...@web.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:8ln4s0$fep$17$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>
>> Rev. Don Kool schrieb in Nachricht <397D73D5...@home.com>...
>> >
>> >
>> >> "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> >> > TruckDrivingMan wrote:
>> >> > > "Rev. Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
>> >> > > > > "Wayne" <sgp_se...@optusnet.com.au> wrote...
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > > The lord said, thou shall not kill, ever though a person has
>> >> murdered
>> >> > > > > > another person what right has another to send one to his
>> death.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Barbaric is only the gas chamber and the electric chair.Both
is
>> >> > > > > barbaric.Once I shocked myself with my Tesla coil (approx. 400
>> >> kV).Not
>> >> > > very
>> >> > > > > agreeable ! And the gas chamber I refuse for historical
>reasons -
>> >> I'm a
>> >> > > > > German
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > As a German, you should have a special fondness for the gas
>> >> > > > chamber.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > You guys enjoyed gasing a few million Jewish folks a few years ago.
>> >
>> >> You guys enjoyed the inquisition years ago, too.
>> >
>> > I'm not spanish and I'm not Catholic, my son. You'll have to look
>> >elsewhere to pin blame for those typical european atrocities.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >********************** You a bounty hunter?
>> >* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
>> >* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
>> >********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
>> >http://members.home.net/oldno7
>>
>>
>Antworte nicht auf die Postings von diesem Schweinepriester.Er haßt
übrigens
>unsere schöne Sprache,also schreib ruhig ein bißchen deutsch
>
>>
>
>
Das werd ich machen. Toll, daß endlich einer da ist, der auch mal meiner
Meinung ist und mich nicht immer nur mit Schimpfwörtern wie "Adolf" oder
"Nazi" beschmeißt!
Viele Grüße
Florian
Osmo Ronkanen
>Even killers who abducted, raped, and tortured people to death? I wonder
>how you can compare "life in prison" as "punishment" for the crime of
>torturing someone to death? Did you know the average # of years that
>someone spends in prison for murder is 5 years? That's sick!
Think before you post. What is (5+life+death)/3? You cannot calculate
averages on things that are not numeric like life sentences. When those
averages are calculated life and death sentences are simply ignored.
Osmo
TruckDrivingMan
Du hast doch sicher auch die bisherigen Postings von mir und diesem Schw....
gelesen,oder ? Zu behaupten,daß ich als Deutscher eine besondere Vorliebe
für die Gaskammer haben müßte,ist doch der absolute Hammer ! Es wundert mich
daher richtig,daß der Prediger kein absoluter Befürworter des Galgens ist.Du
weißt schon,nach guter alter amerikanischer Cowboytradition ;-)
John Rennie
"TruckDrivingMan" <truckdr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8lpllb$94e$10$1...@news.t-online.com...
I didn't understand a word of the above but it still made more sense than
Kooli usually does.