Pure Horror
Jürgen
to be the best for largest popularity, and if he doesn’t pardon just now
doomed Owell, then he images only a mirror of the US-society. Americans
no more trust in the power of their nation, they believe to regain
control over their fate by blaming anyone for their own weakness. The
exorbitant raise of executions is related to the decay of the
Soviet-Union; the United States are in need of a new enemy, and that’s
no more the spy, but the gory co-citizen monster, that pursues one up to
the own bed.
It had been McCarthy, that spread the nightmare of communistic jeopardy
over whole the US. America will be always in need to any scapegoat, as
long as the nation will not be self-confident. If Bush jr. gets voted,
and that’s actually possible, then it will be a tragedy for whole the
nation, then systematically fears will be whipped up, reprisals of all
kind will be on the agenda. If Bush jr. gets voted, America will change
to a nightmare.
Written by the english journalist and author Nik Cohn, published in the
NP ‚Événement du jeudi‘, translated (hopefully understandable) by
Jürgen.
vidab...@my-deja.com
"Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> wrote:
> George Bush jr. is the pure horror. He does just that, what he
estimates
> to be the best for largest popularity, and if he doesn’t pardon just
now
> doomed Owell, then he images only a mirror of the US-society.
Americans
> no more trust in the power of their nation, they believe to regain
> control over their fate by blaming anyone for their own weakness. The
> exorbitant raise of executions is related to the decay of the
> Soviet-Union;
I don't think there's any evidence of this. I believe that only two of
the 38 states with the death penalty enacted these laws post 1991
(Kansas and NY). The increase in executions is largely the result of
the natural expiration of the appeals process for many people convicted
in the late 80s and thereafter.
> the United States are in need of a new enemy,
There's always France.
and that’s
> no more the spy, but the gory co-citizen monster, that pursues one up
to
> the own bed.
> It had been McCarthy, that spread the nightmare of communistic
jeopardy
> over whole the US. America will be always in need to any scapegoat, as
> long as the nation will not be self-confident.
I'm not sure that communists were a scapegoat, in that they _really_
were spying on the US for a foreign government, and that they _really_
did transmit nuclear information to the reds. This led, at least in
part, to Stalin encouraging North Korea to invade the south, leading to
many dead Americans.
> If Bush jr. gets voted,
> and that’s actually possible, then it will be a tragedy for whole the
> nation, then systematically fears will be whipped up, reprisals of all
> kind will be on the agenda. If Bush jr. gets voted, America will
change
> to a nightmare.
Only a radical leftist would see George Bush Jr. as some sort of
Hitler. He's a compassionate conservative, for chrissakes.
>
> Written by the english journalist and author Nik Cohn, published in
the
> NP ‚Événement du jeudi‘, translated (hopefully understandable) by
> Jürgen.
>
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Before you buy.
Terry C. Shannon
"Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:38EA1F30...@t-online.de...
> George Bush jr. is the pure horror
Sir, might I suggest an immediate series of colonic irrigations? These would
be most beneficial in purging your brain cells of excrement.
You may post all you want to in this forum, but let me ask: have you ever
been the victim of a violent crime? Have you ever stared down a gun barrel
while gagging in the miasma generated by an unwashed AtRiskYouth(tm)? Have
you ever been "a click away" from death?
I didn't think so.
I have, and consequently I have a somewhat different opinion about the
appropriate treatment of, ummm, "offenders."
You are entitled to your opinion, but so am I. Having been there and done
that, I believe my opinion is based on factual evidence, rather than on the
"Let's Celebrate Cause Celebres" mentality exhibited by some of the
abolitionistae in this forum.
Best,
Terry Shannon
Who has financially contributed to the campaign of GW Bush
JIGSAW1695
From: "Jürgen" k.j.h...@t-online.de
Date: 4/4/00 9:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <38EA1F30...@t-online.de>
George Bush jr. is the pure horror. He does just that, what he estimates
to be the best for largest popularity, and if he doesn’t pardon just now
doomed Owell, then he images only a mirror of the US-society. Americans
no more trust in the power of their nation, they believe to regain
control over their fate by blaming anyone for their own weakness. The
exorbitant raise of executions is related to the decay of the
Soviet-Union; the United States are in need of a new enemy, and that’s
no more the spy, but the gory co-citizen monster, that pursues one up to
the own bed.
It had been McCarthy, that spread the nightmare of communistic jeopardy
over whole the US. America will be always in need to any scapegoat, as
long as the nation will not be self-confident. If Bush jr. gets voted,
and that’s actually possible, then it will be a tragedy for whole the
nation, then systematically fears will be whipped up, reprisals of all
kind will be on the agenda. If Bush jr. gets voted, America will change
to a nightmare.
==============================
Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our politics.
If you want to comment on the DP thats fine, but dont tell us who to elect and
not elect for public office.
Jigsaw
Dan Cutrer
"Jürgen" wrote:
>
> George Bush jr. is the pure horror. He does just that, what he estimates
> to be the best for largest popularity, and if he doesn’t pardon just now
> doomed Owell, then he images only a mirror of the US-society.
I'll enter that paragraph in the Write Like William Faulkner Contest
next year ...
You're speaking ill of the Governor of the Great State, he who just last
week called for 'removing the cuff links' from American educators.
This is the same guy who urged 'preservation' be a major goal of
teen-students. He toted his own life as a shining temple of
'preservation', only then did someone point out to him that the theme
of the students was actually "perserverance."
Why should Texas have to share him with the rest of the USofA. We need
to keep him here to get some sort of return on the tax dollars he stole
to give the Texas Rangers baseball club new digs, about a third of a
billion, time it's all over. And, we need some sort of return on all
those 'overnight visitors' who've slept at the Governor's Mansion in
Austin ... and the tax-free State-Park where his Rich Buddies and Him
have the only keys to the gates ...
And, although it's been seven days since the tornado wiped out downtown
Ft. Worth, Shrub still hasn't managed to make it up there, or even
request President Clinton (a necessary predicate) declare it a disaster
area ... so federal funds can start to flow.
Matthew Snyder
: Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our politics.
actually, he has every right to post all he wants about his
feelings (which were not written by him, as would have been
clear had you not snipped the attribution part of his post),
and your attempt to call it "interfere[nce]" is simply wrong.
: If you want to comment on the DP thats fine, but dont tell us who to elect and
: not elect for public office.
get off your high horse, jigsaw. shrub's state is one of
the highest killing states in the country, and many of us
would rather not see another killer take office. those from
europe have every right to tell us their views, just as we
rigged elections and propagandized south america.
matthew
Denise
Jigsaw Wrote
> ==============================
>
> Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our
politics.
and
> not elect for public office.
>
>
I think that would be true, except for the fact that the US has absolutely
no qualms about getting involved in the politics and policy making of other
countries, so it stands to reason that people from other countries would be,
and should be, concerned about who we elect to lead our country.
Paddy81894
Richard Jackson
"Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> wrote:
> George Bush jr. is the pure horror. He does just that, what he
estimates
> to be the best for largest popularity, and if he doesn’t pardon just
now
> doomed Owell, then he images only a mirror of the US-society.
> no more trust in the power of their nation, they believe to regain
> control over their fate by blaming anyone for their own weakness. The
> exorbitant raise of executions is related to the decay of the
> Soviet-Union; the United States are in need of a new enemy, and that’s
> no more the spy, but the gory co-citizen monster, that pursues one up
to
> the own bed.
> It had been McCarthy, that spread the nightmare of communistic
jeopardy
> over whole the US. America will be always in need to any scapegoat, as
> long as the nation will not be self-confident. If Bush jr. gets voted,
> and that’s actually possible, then it will be a tragedy for whole the
> nation, then systematically fears will be whipped up, reprisals of all
> kind will be on the agenda. If Bush jr. gets voted, America will
change
> to a nightmare.
>
the
> NP ‚Événement du jeudi‘, translated (hopefully understandable) by
> Jürgen.
>
Not a bad job translating, Jürgen. Do you get to read much satire
often?
I don't think any of these things will come to pass, Jürgen. The real
horror is that if Dahmler-Benz keeps purchasing automobile companies, we
might all have to learn how to say "automatic transmission" in German.
Gods!
--
Richard Jackson
John Rennie
>
> Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our
politics.
> If you want to comment on the DP thats fine, but dont tell us who to elect
and
> not elect for public office.
>
>
> Jigsaw
As Kooli and you (to a lesser extent) are always shouting to
the roof tops how great and powerful the USA is, you must
expect us to take an interest in your presidential elections
as the American people (well 50% of them anyway) will be
electing the most important man in the world (well except
for Alan Greenspan). His moral stance is worth scrutinising,
his actions during the Vietnam War are interesting, his views
on abortion and the dp are equally relevant. Is this the man who
can clean out the smell of the Clinton Administration? He
will, by the end of his campaign, have spent nigh on $100
mln - who will he be in hock to? Of particularly interest
to us non-voting Europeans, Asians, Africans, Australiasians,
and south Americans will be his attitude to foreign affairs. So
we are going to interfere - if these little epistles on this and
other ngs can possibly be called interference - until you are
sick of us which you are anyway.
JIGSAW1695
From: paddy...@aol.com (Paddy81894)
Date: 4/4/00 11:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20000404144302...@ng-md1.aol.com>
Can anybody translate this brain-dead lefty drivel?
===============================
Yea...what he is saying is that as a European, he is far more intelligent than
us Americans and therefore we should allow him to tell us who to elect to
public office.
He is in the same league as other Europenas who tell us that we should do away
with our jury system, change our penal codes, re-write our laws as well as
generally conform to the European way of thinking.
He fails to realize that we, as a people, revolted against the oppresive
European masters who controled our lives.
The worst part is that his english is lousy, his sentence construction is
intolerable and his general thesis is inane.
Yours in Liberal Solidarity
Jigsaw
Matthew Snyder
: ===============================
: Yea...what he is saying is that as a European, he is far more intelligent than
: us Americans and therefore we should allow him to tell us who to elect to
"...far more intelligent than _us_ Americans"? apparently so.
but he never said that. jigsaw, you really do have an inferiority
complex, as you consistently make up attacks against the US just
so you can defend this country from the european enemy in your mind.
: He is in the same league as other Europenas who tell us that we should do away
: with our jury system, change our penal codes, re-write our laws as well as
: generally conform to the European way of thinking.
and they should just keep their meddling mouths shut, right?
if you're not interested in reading about it, then don't read
a.a.d-p. simple as that.
: He fails to realize that we, as a people, revolted against the oppresive
: European masters who controled our lives.
and with a good degree of help from europe, we managed to win.
or have you forgotten that part already, jiggy?
: The worst part is that his english is lousy, his sentence construction is
: intolerable and his general thesis is inane.
criticizing poor sentence construction and lousy english is the
*last* thing you can get away with, jiggy. just look at your
first sentence and your last sentence for some examples of your
poor understanding of the language you profess to speak.
matthew
vidab...@my-deja.com
mwsn...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Snyder) wrote:
> JIGSAW1695 (jigsa...@aol.com) wrote:
> : Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in
our politics.
>
> actually, he has every right to post all he wants about his
> feelings (which were not written by him, as would have been
> clear had you not snipped the attribution part of his post),
> and your attempt to call it "interfere[nce]" is simply wrong.
>
to elect and
> : not elect for public office.
>
> the highest killing states in the country,
Texas is third in executions per capita. Texas is ranked 23rd of 51
jurisdictions in terms of the murder rate (1997). So it depends on
what sort of killing you mean.
> and many of us
> would rather not see another killer take office. those from
> europe have every right to tell us their views, just as we
> rigged elections and propagandized south america.
>
> matthew
>
>
Jürgen
I'm amazed, proud americans, what reactions i got here. I wrote three
large comments before, and tried seriously to discuss, and you preferred
to keep silent.
But if i *quote* a journalist, that characterizes Bush as estimated by
the democratic co-nations, suddenly i'm of high interest.
OK, continue like before, if any argument occures you got no answer to
give, wait until the comment vanishes.
Wait until something is posted on that you can argue, that's your shabby
way.
Start to be human, and learn that the potential to murder is within
every of us.
Jürgen
JIGSAW1695
From: "Jürgen" k.j.h...@t-online.de
Date: 4/4/00 2:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <38EA5C97...@t-online.de>
===============================
What a self-rightious asshole. Jurgen demands that we respond to every bit of
meaningless drivel that he spouts . If we dont, he wont play with us. What a
loser.
He say, and here I quote him exactly
" Start to be human, and learn that the potential to murder is within
every (one) sic of us".
What he is saying , I think, is that we are not human for some reason or other,
and that all of us have the ability to commit murder. "
I wonder if he includes him self. Tell us Jurgan, do you yourself have the
potential to murder someone?????
Answer if you dare, you sanctimoneous little piss-ant.
Yours in Unrepentant Liberal Solidarity
Jigsaw
Jigsaw
mart
by "law abiding" Texans? Isn't that the pet theory of the gun nuts, that if
the law abiding citizens are armed to the teeth, the bad guys will be afraid
to do anything and the crime rate will fall?? Hmm?
mart.
vidab...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8cdjr8$oa7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
*)W_W_S(*
mart wrote:
>
> How can Texas have such a high murder rate? What about all those guns owned
> by "law abiding" Texans? Isn't that the pet theory of the gun nuts, that if
> the law abiding citizens are armed to the teeth, the bad guys will be afraid
> to do anything and the crime rate will fall?? Hmm?
> mart.
If you actually read the post you responded to you'd see that the murder
rate is about middle of the road. Given the population explosion and
the undocumented immigrant problem, the rate should probably be the
highest in the country, but it isn't.
It's kind of sad how badly you and Jurgen wish that you were Americans,
so that your opinions on this would count. But you're not, and they
don't.
> vidab...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8cdjr8$oa7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >In article <8cdahp$s6a$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
> > mwsn...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew Snyder) wrote:
> >> JIGSAW1695 (jigsa...@aol.com) wrote:
> >> : Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in
> >our politics.
> >>
> >> actually, he has every right to post all he wants about his
> >> feelings (which were not written by him, as would have been
> >> clear had you not snipped the attribution part of his post),
> >> and your attempt to call it "interfere[nce]" is simply wrong.
> >>
> >> : If you want to comment on the DP thats fine, but dont tell us who
> >to elect and
> >> : not elect for public office.
> >>
> >> get off your high horse, jigsaw. shrub's state is one of
> >> the highest killing states in the country,
> >
> >Texas is third in executions per capita. Texas is ranked 23rd of 51
> >jurisdictions in terms of the murder rate (1997). So it depends on
> >what sort of killing you mean.
> >
> >> and many of us
> >> would rather not see another killer take office. those from
> >> europe have every right to tell us their views, just as we
> >> rigged elections and propagandized south america.
Pretty funny, you obviously can't find enough allies in this
country so you've got to call in help from overseas. Why
don't you go back and live with them? Everyone would be
much, much happier. You obviously hate the country that
you live in, so why don't you leave?
--
________________________________________WWS_____________
Dave Proctor
>JIGSAW1695 (jigsa...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our
politics.
>
>actually, he has every right to post all he wants about his
>feelings (which were not written by him, as would have been
>clear had you not snipped the attribution part of his post),
>and your attempt to call it "interfere[nce]" is simply wrong.
Particularly since organs of the United States government (the State
Department, the Central Intelligence Agency) interfere in the politics and
governments of other countries. When The United States government ceases
doing this, then and only then will the citizens of the United States have a
right to request others from doing the same to them.
Dave
Dave Proctor
>I think that would be true, except for the fact that the US has absolutely
>no qualms about getting involved in the politics and policy making of other
>countries, so it stands to reason that people from other countries would
be,
>and should be, concerned about who we elect to lead our country.
Aaaah, the voice of reason from a resident of the US (I do not know if you
are a citizen, so not making any assumptions).
Dave
Denise
"Dave Proctor" <dap...@spambait.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:5tvG4.46$TI4.4...@news0.optus.net.au...
American woman.
Mitchell Holman
}
}
}
}It's kind of sad how badly you and Jurgen wish that you were Americans,
}so that your opinions on this would count. But you're not, and they
}don't.
}
Sigh.....
Don't we get enough of this childish xenophobic chauvenism
from Don Kook?
Jürgen
of our home as a tiny pebble called earth racing through the universe
and therefore are granting to me also the right to comment at this
forum.
US are about to descend to a radical state (see echelon) and i’m aware,
that it’s much more difficult to recognize this as a member of it then
from the outside perspective. The more i’m happy to see, that also many
are there, that didn’t loose the overview, what happens behind the
scenes of your judicial system: Guilty as well as innocent people are
simply tortured to death. Reports of AmnestyInternational are claiming
that US meanwhile got the leadership in respect to violations of Human
Rights.
DP-supporters: I’m not in use to concern with issues none of my
business, one reason for my posting here is, that Human Rights have to
be the business of every single one, another is, that your election will
not have only US-internal effects, but also the fate of our whole world
is depending on the person of the president of the US, and US choose
themselves this part. If you want to lead the world and to harrass every
nation to take over your way of life, then you also have to deal with
foreign critics.
My opponents as usual ignore the importantest, that is that i have been
only the translator of an item, that was issued in a French NP. My
intention was to put up, what an image of ‚Contemporary Caligula‘
co-democratic nations got.
We ourselves have a percentage of about 40% DP-pro’s, but i know not one
single that agrees with the practice in US, where 10, up to 20 years of
mortal dread are usual before carrying out an execution. I’m deeply
ashamed of democracy, and, if you’re in need, insult me as ‚jerk,
asshole‘ or ‚dumbass‘, but please don’t suppose that i‘m wishing to
belong to the US. Really not. Ask any non-US citizen, you will get
always the same reply: Your arrogance, on the national level as well as
on the personal of the majority, since years has made you blind, you
don’t see what’s going on within US, the less what happens in the world
outside.
Your president has changed the last years to a ludicrous person. The
same man, that got the power to throw nuclear bombs on foreign nations
is unable to reform his home legal system, that belongs to the cruelest
of the world, and keeps the same time advertising for the human rights
(for example recent in India).
I myself got a deep respect to human life, i will never be a murderer.
But i’m aware, that this depends not only on my DNA, but on my
education, my experiences, whole my impressions piled up in nearly 40
years too. But i just don‘t know, what kind of man i might have evolved
to, if the parameters had been radical different to the real, for
example if i had been abused in childhood; and if anyone is claiming
that he under none conditions perhaps would have developed wrong and one
day perhaps would have became actually a murderer, then he is lying.
Supporting George Let-Walker Bush means to support the LightBringer of
democracy.
J.
vidab...@my-deja.com
"Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman schrieb:
> >
[snip]
.
> We ourselves have a percentage of about 40% DP-pro’s, but i know not
one
> single that agrees with the practice in US, where 10, up to 20 years
of
> mortal dread are usual before carrying out an execution.
This is self-imposed mortal dread, because no convict has to use his
appeals - he can waive them and march off to the death chamber to end
his (and our) pain.
> I’m deeply
> ashamed of democracy, and, if you’re in need, insult me as ‚jerk,
> asshole‘ or ‚dumbass‘, but please don’t suppose that i‘m wishing to
> belong to the US. Really not. Ask any non-US citizen, you will get
> always the same reply: Your arrogance, on the national level as well
as
> on the personal of the majority, since years has made you blind, you
> don’t see what’s going on within US, the less what happens in the
world
> outside.
> Your president has changed the last years to a ludicrous person.
For once I agree with you. President Clinton has demonstrated a
contempt for the law. We'll be much better off when George W. Bush, an
honest and decent man, takes his oath of office next January
> The
> same man, that got the power to throw nuclear bombs on foreign nations
> is unable to reform his home legal system, that belongs to the
cruelest
> of the world, and keeps the same time advertising for the human rights
> (for example recent in India).
>
> I myself got a deep respect to human life, i will never be a murderer.
> But i’m aware, that this depends not only on my DNA, but on my
> education, my experiences, whole my impressions piled up in nearly 40
> years too. But i just don‘t know, what kind of man i might have
evolved
> to, if the parameters had been radical different to the real, for
> example if i had been abused in childhood; and if anyone is claiming
> that he under none conditions perhaps would have developed wrong and
one
> day perhaps would have became actually a murderer, then he is lying.
>
> Supporting George Let-Walker Bush means to support the LightBringer of
> democracy.
>
> J.
>
Mitchell Holman
}
}For once I agree with you. President Clinton has demonstrated a
}contempt for the law. We'll be much better off when George W. Bush, an
}honest and decent man, takes his oath of office next January
Snorting coke and refusing to answer any questions
about it is not "contempt for the law", in your book?
Terry C. Shannon
<vidab...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8cfst1$9km$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <38EB5DA5...@t-online.de>,
> "Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> wrote:
> > Mitchell Holman schrieb:
>
> > >
> [snip]
> .
> > We ourselves have a percentage of about 40% DP-pro's, but i know not
> one
> > single that agrees with the practice in US, where 10, up to 20 years
> of
> > mortal dread are usual before carrying out an execution.
>
> This is self-imposed mortal dread, because no convict has to use his
> appeals - he can waive them and march off to the death chamber to end
> his (and our) pain.
Yes, this is one of the ironies of the DP. The protracted appeals process,
which of course is supported by abolitionists, does in fact delay the
administration of justice. Yet the abolitionists decry the decade--if not
two decades--of "self-imposed mortal dread."
The mortal dread is in fact self-imposed: had the condemned not made the
conscious decision to commit capital murder, the condemned would find
himself/herself languishing on Death Row for a protracted period.
> > I'm deeply
> > ashamed of democracy
I will be the first to agree that the US government leaves a lot to be
desired (I volunteered to serve in Viet Nam back in the late 1960's, today I
would fight tooth and nail to ensure that the blood of my son and daughter
would not be spilled to raise Bill Clinton's poll ratings!). That said, I
daresay that no superior system of government exists. I wouldn't trade the
US system for that of North Korea, an Islamic theocracy, or whatever.
> > and, if you're in need, insult me as ,jerk,
> > asshole' or ,dumbass',
Why should I do that? Like Mom always said (in the pre-PC era), "sticks and
stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me."
> > but please don't suppose that i'm wishing to
> > belong to the US. Really not. Ask any non-US citizen, you will get
> > always the same reply: Your arrogance, on the national level as well
> as
> > on the personal of the majority, since years has made you blind, you
> > don't see what's going on within US, the less what happens in the
> world
> > outside.
I would agree with you 100 percent that the average American has little if
any awareness of what the rest of the world is like. When I travel abroad,
which I do on a reasonably frequent basis, well... let's just say that I
don't go out of my way to broadcast my national affiliation. As you well
know, the US-based news services are geocentric to the extreme, and quite
arguably xenophobic to boot.
> > Your president has changed the last years to a ludicrous person.
>
> For once I agree with you. President Clinton has demonstrated a
> contempt for the law. We'll be much better off when George W. Bush, an
> honest and decent man, takes his oath of office next
No guarantee that Bush will prevail, but the Clinton/Gore
"MostEthicalAdministrationInHistory" is indeed a joke.
Best,
terry s
St.George
Mitchell Holman <ta2...@aimal.net> wrote in message
news:EB9AD65E16E45352.16B599E1...@lp.airnews.net...
> }contempt for the law. We'll be much better off when George W. Bush, an
>
>
> Snorting coke and refusing to answer any questions
> about it is not "contempt for the law", in your book?
If I were an American voter, this would hardly concern me about Bush.
What would greatly concern me, however, is the growing and convincing
impression that the man is, quite frankly, not very bright.....
I would estimate that there are at least 30 or 40 million Americans more
intelligent than this man, so couldn't you do any better than him??
Mitchell Holman
Sadly, given the investigative zeal of the US press,
few men of any real worth would deliberately subject
themselves to our political process. What we are left
with is the "bottom of the barrel", as it were...........
Terry C. Shannon
taxpayer when said person expects to die. Said contributor to the Body
Politic has to learn Ebonics(TM) mighty fast, and also has to deal with the
hideous stench of the unwashed MauMauista. (And trust me, they stink to high
heaven!!!!).
I humbly submit that the unwashed-ness of the underclass is a direct
correlation with said underclasse's desire to commit murder and mayham.
Pee-Yewwww....
Terry S
An American Taxpayer who elects to (dare i say it????) BATHE!
kluscombe
"*)W_W_S(*" schrieb:
> mart wrote:
> >
>
> I
>
> It's kind of sad how badly you and Jurgen wish that you were Americans,
> so that your opinions on this would count. But you're not, and they
> don't.
>
Oh Please let me be an American, i promise to act like a neanderthal, i promise to
support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives. I`ll
do my best to be realy macho, spit, eat Mcdonalds, worship movie stars, tell my
children all about your heroes like Bonnie and Clyde, Richard Nixon, I`ll go
straight into some sort of self awareness therapie, cry when "ma Pa dies,
I`ll forget about Wordsworth, Ketes, Shakespear,and Christopher Wrenn Issac
Newton, I mean it wont be diffacult, with things like
John Irwing, Elvis etc.But please please, i beg you kind Sir let be be an
American, I promise i wont say another word against your hobbies of gassing and
eloctrocution, hell i`ll even help, but please send me an application form. Maybe
i could even get a trailer next to your buddie the very "Rev Don Kool" we could
drink watery budweiser together, when were bored he could go and beat my wife up
for a change, or maybe just have sex together,sit under the stars and reminiss
about the best execution we ever saw. My great great great great great great
grandmother used to go to public hangings, she used to take her knitting,it made a
lovely day out, and like in them days there was no power or gas so you realy got
your moneys worth. It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please God if i come
back again let it be as an American
Rebecca
kluscombe wrote:
> It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
> who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please
> God if i come back again let it be as an American
bet you don't wanna talk about how the Swiss based all of their
wealth and reputation on the melted fillings pulled out of
jewish teeth, do you?
RF
Desmond Coughlan
Why should he ? That was over fifty years ago. The horrific violations
of human rights being inflicted by the planet's biggest hypocritical
nation, the United States, are here, and now.
--
Desmond Coughlan |Restez Zen ... UNIX peut le faire
des...@coughlan.net
http://www.coughlan.net/desmond
Jürgen
Rebecca schrieb:
> kluscombe wrote:
>
> > It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
> > who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please
> > God if i come back again let it be as an American
>
> bet you don't wanna talk about how the Swiss based all of their
> wealth and reputation on the melted fillings pulled out of
> jewish teeth, do you?
>
> RF
What you are searching for, Becky ? Cruelties of the past ?
Neither i (German) can change, nor any DR-inmate, nor brave US citizens
will reanimate millions of slaughtered natives.
Better look at today's issues and start to change the future.
J.
G EddieA95
>support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
1) Why are "women" any more worthy to live than men? Or put it another way,
why let a woman criminal off from punishment just because of her sexuality?
That isn't justice.
2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
3) Regard to "mental defectives," there you have a point. But the laws are
changing.
(rest of antiamerican nonsense snipped)
Bill Funke
<Jo...@rennie2000.greatxscape.net> wrote:
>> ==============================
>>
>> Jurgen, as a foreign national, you have no right to interfere in our
>politics.
>> If you want to comment on the DP thats fine, but dont tell us who to elect
>and
>> not elect for public office.
>>
>>
>> Jigsaw
>
>As Kooli and you (to a lesser extent) are always shouting to
>the roof tops how great and powerful the USA is, you must
>expect us to take an interest in your presidential elections
>as the American people (well 50% of them anyway) will be
>electing the most important man in the world (well except
>for Alan Greenspan). His moral stance is worth scrutinising,
>his actions during the Vietnam War are interesting, his views
>on abortion and the dp are equally relevant. Is this the man who
>can clean out the smell of the Clinton Administration? He
>will, by the end of his campaign, have spent nigh on $100
>mln - who will he be in hock to? Of particularly interest
>to us non-voting Europeans, Asians, Africans, Australiasians,
>and south Americans will be his attitude to foreign affairs. So
>we are going to interfere - if these little epistles on this and
>other ngs can possibly be called interference - until you are
>sick of us which you are anyway.
The Shrub and foreign affairs????
Aside from a French whore a while back, (and the rather fortunate deal
with the Kuwaiti's that would probably mean a large Special Prosecutor
staff) he has absolutely no concept of foreign affairs.
This is the guy who can't find Canada on a map! I think the rest of
the world should worry that this guy may be the head of Nato and
guranteeing Taiwan and South Korea's territorial integrity.
'Specially since he's the one who'll be telling the rest of the world
how to act.
Bill Funke
>How can Texas have such a high murder rate? What about all those guns owned
>by "law abiding" Texans? Isn't that the pet theory of the gun nuts, that if
>the law abiding citizens are armed to the teeth, the bad guys will be afraid
>to do anything and the crime rate will fall?? Hmm?
>mart.
The answer is very simple--
"Just think of how much murder and mayhem there would be without all
of those armed good citizens."
(It would, of course, be a lot more than amongst the unarmed Amish, if
that means anything.)
Bill Funke
>mart wrote:
>>
>> How can Texas have such a high murder rate? What about all those guns owned
>> by "law abiding" Texans? Isn't that the pet theory of the gun nuts, that if
>> the law abiding citizens are armed to the teeth, the bad guys will be afraid
>> to do anything and the crime rate will fall?? Hmm?
>> mart.
>
>If you actually read the post you responded to you'd see that the murder
>rate is about middle of the road. Given the population explosion and
>the undocumented immigrant problem, the rate should probably be the
>highest in the country, but it isn't.
You will, of course, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that most
of your prisoners and condemned were white, native-born Texans.
>
>It's kind of sad how badly you and Jurgen wish that you were Americans,
>so that your opinions on this would count. But you're not, and they
>don't.
Curious how most American opinions don't count for much, either.
Bill Funke
wrote:
<...>
>DP-supporters: I’m not in use to concern with issues none of my
>business, one reason for my posting here is, that Human Rights have to
>be the business of every single one, another is, that your election will
>not have only US-internal effects, but also the fate of our whole world
>is depending on the person of the president of the US, and US choose
>themselves this part. If you want to lead the world and to harrass every
>nation to take over your way of life, then you also have to deal with
>foreign critics.
This is quite true. Everyone has the right, perhaps obligation, to
speak up about what they perceive as the destruction of basic human
rights. God knows we do it enough around the rest of the world.
Again, I would say that the rest of the world has a great interest in
whether a moron will be running the largest economy and military in
the world.
<...>
>Your president has changed the last years to a ludicrous person. The
>same man, that got the power to throw nuclear bombs on foreign nations
>is unable to reform his home legal system, that belongs to the cruelest
>of the world, and keeps the same time advertising for the human rights
>(for example recent in India).
Well, let's not go overboard, here. We've got our faults, but no
one's ever going to call us the "cruelest."
(Although, we do have some intersting penal "reforms" in the
works.....)
<...>
Bill Funke
<st_george99@***hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Mitchell Holman <ta2...@aimal.net> wrote in message
>news:EB9AD65E16E45352.16B599E1...@lp.airnews.net...
>> In article <8cfst1$9km$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, vidab...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> }
>> }For once I agree with you. President Clinton has demonstrated a
>> }contempt for the law. We'll be much better off when George W. Bush, an
>> }honest and decent man, takes his oath of office next January
>>
>>
>> Snorting coke and refusing to answer any questions
>> about it is not "contempt for the law", in your book?
>
>
>
>If I were an American voter, this would hardly concern me about Bush.
>
>What would greatly concern me, however, is the growing and convincing
>impression that the man is, quite frankly, not very bright.....
>
>I would estimate that there are at least 30 or 40 million Americans more
>intelligent than this man, so couldn't you do any better than him??
This is the question of the ages.
We are. of course, not alone. Canada and England have managed to
elect some curious choices as Prime Minister, and the Austrians seem
to be having second thoughts about their electoral choices. A little
bit of research, and I'm sure I could find a motley crew at some point
being elected to head just about every country.
As far as we're concerned, we have, in the past, elected such
luminaries as Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge.
At the moment, we are in that phase of democracy that Plato decried--
we are fast approaching the lowest common denominator for an electable
official. One who will not necessarily do a good job, but offend the
least and appease the most. Campaigns are not over issues, but over
sound bites and vacuous accusations.
Perhaps the problem is that we have no real problems. We have a lot
of things that have to be tweaked, but we aren't in the middle of a
depression or war, we aren't conducting a Westward expansion-- we are
just going along doing quite well, thank you very much. Such times
are not conducive to great debates and noble ideas which might,
coincidentally, send the stock market into a nosedive.
Incidentally, your estimate of the population brighter than the Shrub
is probably a little low.
Bill Funke
wrote:
>
>
>kluscombe wrote:
>
>> It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
>> who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please
>> God if i come back again let it be as an American
>
>bet you don't wanna talk about how the Swiss based all of their
>wealth and reputation on the melted fillings pulled out of
>jewish teeth, do you?
>
>RF
Not quite all of their wealth. They have been quite wealthy for some
time now. Cashing in stolen gold and other loot was not a major
source of their wealth. They weren't exactly innocent back then, but
they certainly weren't the only conduit for Nazi "trade." The Swedes,
Spanish, and Portuguese, even the Dutch, had their fingers in the
till.
In a minor defense of the Swiss, their neutrality depended entirely
upon the whims of Germany. They were surrounded by Axis territories,
and although the Alps are not exactly conducive for an invasion,
pissing off Hitler was not considered a good idea.
At any rate, what has that to do with Swiss now living?
Rev. Don Kool
kluscombe wrote:
>
> "*)W_W_S(*" schrieb:
>
> > mart wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I
> >
> > It's kind of sad how badly you and Jurgen wish that you were Americans,
> > so that your opinions on this would count. But you're not, and they
> > don't.
> >
>
> Oh Please let me be an American, i promise to act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives. I`ll
> do my best to be realy macho, spit, eat Mcdonalds, worship movie stars, tell my
> children all about your heroes like Bonnie and Clyde, Richard Nixon, I`ll go
> straight into some sort of self awareness therapie, cry when "ma Pa dies,
> I`ll forget about Wordsworth, Ketes, Shakespear,and Christopher Wrenn Issac
> Newton, I mean it wont be diffacult, with things like
> John Irwing, Elvis etc.But please please, i beg you kind Sir let be be an
> American, I promise i wont say another word against your hobbies of gassing and
> eloctrocution, hell i`ll even help, but please send me an application form. Maybe
> i could even get a trailer next to your buddie the very "Rev Don Kool" we could
> drink watery budweiser together, when were bored he could go and beat my wife up
> for a change, or maybe just have sex together,sit under the stars and reminiss
> about the best execution we ever saw. My great great great great great great
> grandmother used to go to public hangings, she used to take her knitting,it made a
> lovely day out, and like in them days there was no power or gas so you realy got
> your moneys worth. It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
> who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please God if i come
> back again let it be as an American
First you would need to learn to use the "shift" key and the spell
checker, Klaus. You do have one thing correct though; Americans
fully support the just execution of proven murderers. Justice has
always been fundamental to American society and it always will be.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Don
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Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan <des...@cybercable.fr> wrote:
> Rebecca <rfrans@no_spam.com> wrote:
> > > It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
> > > who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please
> > > God if i come back again let it be as an American
>
> > bet you don't wanna talk about how the Swiss based all of their
> > wealth and reputation on the melted fillings pulled out of
> > jewish teeth, do you?
>
> Why should he ? That was over fifty years ago. The horrific violations
> of human rights being inflicted by the planet's biggest hypocritical
> nation, the United States, are here, and now.
Desi,
Why do you find it so easy to turn a blind eye to the "ethnic
cleansing" that happens daily in the cesspool that is europe? In
europe they are beginning to re-elect NAZIs to government office and
at least one country even has a proven mass murderer as its
President. Since the United States (the greatest country on the
face of the Earth, BTW) ended WWII, there has not been a single day
when there was not some dirty little civil war or another raging in
perpetually war-torn europe. America is a bastion of human rights,
Justice and freedom for all. The just Death Penalty is one of the
many reasons that Americans enjoy the unprecidented freedoms we have
earned. Whine and cry all you want, my misinformed and unwashed
european friend, but it is europe, not America, where the most
horrific human rights abuses take place (most often with the full
consent of the governments involved). The just Death Penalty is
internationally accepted as the only appropriate and morally right
punishment for those that choose to murder.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Desmond Coughlan
> >DP-supporters: I’m not in use to concern with issues none of my
> >business, one reason for my posting here is, that Human Rights have to
> >be the business of every single one, another is, that your election will
> >not have only US-internal effects, but also the fate of our whole world
> >is depending on the person of the president of the US, and US choose
> >themselves this part. If you want to lead the world and to harrass every
> >nation to take over your way of life, then you also have to deal with
> >foreign critics.
[snip]
> Again, I would say that the rest of the world has a great interest in
> whether a moron will be running the largest economy and military in
> the world.
Jigsaw is running for President ..? Bloody hell ... we're all in big
trouble, now !!
Åndrew R
> >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
(snip)
>
> 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
(snip)
There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17. Under
international law (UN Convention on the Rights of the Child,
http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm ) "Neither capital punishment nor life
imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences
committed by persons below eighteen years of age." (Article 37, paragraph (a) of
the Convention on the Rights of the Child) and "For the purposes of the present
Convention, a child means every human being below the age of eighteen years
unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier."
(article 1)
By executing people for crimes committed when under 18, the USA is breaking
international law, and by definition in international law, the USA executes
children.
That the USA has not ratified the Convention is irrelevant ("Although UNICEF
cannot make reference to a legal obligation in non-ratifying countries, the
Convention should be held as an international standard and staff should refer to
this universal consensus on the standards of the Convention. As such, the
Convention cannot be completely disregarded by any country." from the above
site.) Also, the USA's not ratification shows just how backward the USA is, as
the only other member state not to have ratified the convention is Somalia, which
does not have a recognised government. What good company the USA keeps, eh?
Andrew
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Jürgen
Bill Funke schrieb:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:37:09 +0200, "Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de>
> wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> >DP-supporters: I’m not in use to concern with issues none of my
> >business, one reason for my posting here is, that Human Rights have to
> >be the business of every single one, another is, that your election will
> >not have only US-internal effects, but also the fate of our whole world
> >is depending on the person of the president of the US, and US choose
> >themselves this part. If you want to lead the world and to harrass every
> >nation to take over your way of life, then you also have to deal with
> >foreign critics.
>
> This is quite true. Everyone has the right, perhaps obligation, to
> speak up about what they perceive as the destruction of basic human
> rights. God knows we do it enough around the rest of the world.
>
> Again, I would say that the rest of the world has a great interest in
> whether a moron will be running the largest economy and military in
> the world.
>
> <...>
>
> >Your president has changed the last years to a ludicrous person. The
> >same man, that got the power to throw nuclear bombs on foreign nations
> >is unable to reform his home legal system, that belongs to the cruelest
> >of the world, and keeps the same time advertising for the human rights
> >(for example recent in India).
>
> Well, let's not go overboard, here. We've got our faults, but no
> one's ever going to call us the "cruelest."
>
>
> (Although, we do have some intersting penal "reforms" in the
> works.....)
Sorry, Bill, to throw a human being in a box-cage and let him/her wait in
mortal dread for 10 years, that means psychic torture in the most appalling
way. Psychologists are putting that on the same level as physical torture,
the missing physical pain is substituted by the depression piled up in about
80.000 hours of lonelyness. That is the cruelest penalty at least of the
democratical world.
J.
>
>
> <...>
Texas Twister
Jürgen wrote:
> >
> >
> > (Although, we do have some intersting penal "reforms" in the
> > works.....)
>
> Sorry, Bill, to throw a human being in a box-cage and let him/her wait in
> mortal dread for 10 years, that means psychic torture in the most appalling
> way. Psychologists are putting that on the same level as physical torture,
> the missing physical pain is substituted by the depression piled up in about
> 80.000 hours of lonelyness. That is the cruelest penalty at least of the
> democratical world.
At last, We agree completely! A clean, fast execution (preferably within
30 days of the trials conclusions) would be far more humane than the
current system of imprisonment, and far better for the average citizen
as well. Once the decisions been made, why wait?
tt
Rev. Don Kool
Jürgen wrote:
> Bill Funke wrote:
> > "Jürgen" <k.j.h...@t-online.de> scribbled:
[...snip...]
> Sorry, Bill, to throw a human being
i.e., a proven "special circumstances" murderer
> in a box-cage and let him/her wait in mortal dread for 10 years,
i.e., giving them all the time and resources in the world to
voluntarily file frivolous appeal after frivolus appeal.
I agree that automatic appeals should be done away with and that
the rights of proven murderers to frivolously manipulate the system
should be sharply curtailed.
> that means psychic torture in the most appalling way.
i.e., is the greatest example of thoughtful and fair due process
ever conceived of by man.
> Psychologists are putting that on the same level as physical torture,
> the missing physical pain is substituted by the depression piled up in about
> 80.000 hours of lonelyness. That is the cruelest penalty at least of the
> democratical world.
i.e., Yes, Florida has the right idea as they strive to reduce the
time between sentencing and just exeuction to five years or less.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> G EddieA95 wrote:
> > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
>
> (snip)
>
> >
> > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
>
> (snip)
> There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Jürgen
Texas Twister schrieb:
> Jürgen wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > (Although, we do have some intersting penal "reforms" in the
> > > works.....)
> >
> > Sorry, Bill, to throw a human being in a box-cage and let him/her wait in
> > mortal dread for 10 years, that means psychic torture in the most appalling
> > way. Psychologists are putting that on the same level as physical torture,
> > the missing physical pain is substituted by the depression piled up in about
> > 80.000 hours of lonelyness. That is the cruelest penalty at least of the
> > democratical world.
>
> At last, We agree completely! A clean, fast execution (preferably within
> 30 days of the trials conclusions) would be far more humane than the
> current system of imprisonment, and far better for the average citizen
> as well. Once the decisions been made, why wait?
>
> tt
I estimate currently the wrongful executions about 10% and the disregard of
mitigant circumstances as 40% or more. If you will execute, in your own words,
clean and fast, this percentages will raise again. 85 persons have been
rehabilitated, these would have been killed with your system . DP is no way.
J.
Jürgen
Åndrew R schrieb:
> G EddieA95 wrote:
>
> > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
>
> (snip)
>
> >
> > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
>
> (snip)
Recent an interesting book was edited in our language. It tells the story of Sandra
and Troy, DR-inmates under 18. Troy is waiting for his 16th birthday, then the jury
will sentence him to death.
BRAVISSIMO, greatest nation in the face of the world.
J.
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > G EddieA95 wrote:
>
> > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > >
> > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> >
> > (snip)
> > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
>
> Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
>
Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
the Rights of the Child)
Andrew
G EddieA95
>>
>
>Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child
>is
>defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years
OK, but in no American state in recent times, has someone been put to death
during their legal "childhood." Even if they were sixteen when they did the
deed, in the US they would be at least mid20s when executed. Ie, we have not
been executing "children," at least since the WW2 period.
And why should someone who murders at nineteen be any less worthy to breathe,
than someone who murders at sixteen? Death is death and there is no great leap
in moral understanding that follows turning eighteen.
Dave Proctor
news:20000413201637...@ng-fh1.aol.com...
> And why should someone who murders at nineteen be any less worthy to
breathe,
> than someone who murders at sixteen? Death is death and there is no great
leap
> in moral understanding that follows turning eighteen.
Based on this, there is not that much difference between a 15 year old and a
16 year old, so why not execute 15 year old offenders. And there is not that
much difference between a 14 year old and a 15 year old, so why not execute
14 year old offenders. And there is not that much difference between a 13
year old and.....you get my drift.
Society (your society, I might add) has decreed that 18 is an age where
people have reached the ability to think things through and make decisions.
That is why you have set 18 as the voting age.
Based on your reasoning that 16 year old offenders should be liable for the
death penalty, thereby implying that you think they are capable of making
rational, reasoned decisions, I presume you will start lobbying your
congressman to have the voting laws changed to reflect the fact that 16 year
olds can think their way through the electoral process?
I didn't think so.
18 is a perfectly reasonable age (and is in keeping with standards around
the world) to hold people accountable to adult standards in the legal
system.
Dave
Åndrew R
> >> executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> >>
> >
> >Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child
> >is
> >defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years
>
> OK, but in no American state in recent times, has someone been put to death
> during their legal "childhood." Even if they were sixteen when they did the
> deed, in the US they would be at least mid20s when executed. Ie, we have not
> been executing "children," at least since the WW2 period.
>
True. But international law forbids execution for crimes committed while under 18.
>
> And why should someone who murders at nineteen be any less worthy to breathe,
> than someone who murders at sixteen? Death is death and there is no great leap
> in moral understanding that follows turning eighteen.
18 is an arbitrary age to use, but it is an internationally accepted standard, if
arbitrary, age. There has to be an age limit for such things, and 18 is it. IMO,
nobody is "any less worthy to breathe" than anyone else.
David Lentz
Dave Proctor wrote:
<snip>
> Based on your reasoning that 16 year old offenders should be liable for the
> death penalty, thereby implying that you think they are capable of making
> rational, reasoned decisions, I presume you will start lobbying your
> congressman to have the voting laws changed to reflect the fact that 16 year
> olds can think their way through the electoral process?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> 18 is a perfectly reasonable age (and is in keeping with standards around
> the world) to hold people accountable to adult standards in the legal
> system.
>
> Dave
Eighteen is an arbitrary limit, and arbitrary limits have no
proper place in the judicial system. Story:
http://www.starnews.com/pmupdate/0413st_plot.html
While I am not quite ready to convict these punks, if seven year
olds are old enough to conspire to commit a murder, a
demonstrated formation of criminal intent, they darn well old
enough to be held culpable for their conspiracy.
David
Odagnop
Great idea! And let's eliminate the statutory rape and child
molestation laws, since if little kids are old enough to have sex,
they're old enough to consent. Little first graders should be able to
marry if they want, too. All little kids should be eligible to vote as
soon as they can punch holes in a ballot card, and they should be able
to run for office as soon as they can talk!
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Warnock
>
>Texas Twister schrieb:
>
>> Jürgen wrote:
>> > > (Although, we do have some intersting penal "reforms" in the
>> > > works.....)
>> >
>> > Sorry, Bill, to throw a human being in a box-cage and let him/her wait
in
>> > mortal dread for 10 years, that means psychic torture in the most
appalling
>> > way. Psychologists are putting that on the same level as physical
torture,
>> > the missing physical pain is substituted by the depression piled up in
about
>> > 80.000 hours of lonelyness. That is the cruelest penalty at least of
the
>> > democratical world.
Yes, that is cruel - want to goall the way, sentence the criminal to life.
>> At last, We agree completely! A clean, fast execution (preferably within
>> 30 days of the trials conclusions) would be far more humane than the
>> current system of imprisonment, and far better for the average citizen
>> as well. Once the decisions been made, why wait?
You have, ofcourse, forgotten the appeals - in a society run by police,
where police feel good, not by seeing justice done but by getting
convictions - you seriously need appeals to higher authority.
As many defendants are released off Death Row, due to it being found that
they are innocent, this underlines the need for caution.
Ban the Death Penalty and it would be a great step in the right direction -
come on America, most other civilised countries have done it already!!!!!!!!
>I estimate currently the wrongful executions about 10% and the disregard of
>mitigant circumstances as 40% or more. If you will execute, in your own
words,
>clean and fast, this percentages will raise again. 85 persons have been
>rehabilitated, these would have been killed with your system . DP is no
way.
>J.
The Death Penalty is barbaric - and considering that murderers are insane by
definition, the state has no case!!
Warnock
>"Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
>> > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
>> > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental
defectives.
Very hard to define, ' mental defectives '!
>> > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2
period.
That depends on your definition of a child. Teenagers have been executed,
and more so those who committed crime while at age 16 to 18 years.
>Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child
is
>defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under
the law
>applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN
Convention on
>the Rights of the Child)
So you marry a child off at 16 or 17, he is now an adult - he makes a
childish mistake and someone dies, next thing you want to execute him.
I agree that everyone over 7 years knows right from wrong, but people under
21 are not mature enough to see the consequences of their actions.
>"Life is like a sewer. What you get out depends on what you put in." - Tom
Lehrer
Life can be charming, lovely and very interesting - I've never heard of a
sewer like that.
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> >
> > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> >
> > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> >
>
> Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> the Rights of the Child)
So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
...didn't think so.
Hope this helps,
Rev. Don Kool
Dave Proctor wrote:
> "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
>
> > And why should someone who murders at nineteen be any less worthy to
> breathe,
> > than someone who murders at sixteen? Death is death and there is no great
> leap
> > in moral understanding that follows turning eighteen.
>
> Based on this, there is not that much difference between a 15 year old and a
> 16 year old, so why not execute 15 year old offenders. And there is not that
> much difference between a 14 year old and a 15 year old, so why not execute
> 14 year old offenders. And there is not that much difference between a 13
> year old and.....you get my drift.
>
> Society (your society, I might add) has decreed that 18 is an age where
> people have reached the ability to think things through and make decisions.
> That is why you have set 18 as the voting age.
>
> Based on your reasoning that 16 year old offenders should be liable for the
> death penalty, thereby implying that you think they are capable of making
> rational, reasoned decisions, I presume you will start lobbying your
> congressman to have the voting laws changed to reflect the fact that 16 year
> olds can think their way through the electoral process?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> 18 is a perfectly reasonable age (and is in keeping with standards around
> the world) to hold people accountable to adult standards in the legal
> system.
Dave,
Young Andy quotes the following;
"every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the
law
applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1,
UN Convention on
the Rights of the Child)
A murderer under the age of 18 who is tried as an adult has
attained majority under the laws applicable to him and is, according
to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, no longer a
"child".
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Åndrew R
Quite true. But, the convention also specifically forbids execution for crimes
committed under the age of 18. Not for crimes committed while a child.
Andrew
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Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > >
> > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > >
> >
> > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > the Rights of the Child)
>
> So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
>
> ...didn't think so.
But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
convention. Paragraph (a) of article 37 states "Neither capital punishment nor life
imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by
persons below eighteen years of age."
Note that it says "by persons below eighteen years of age" and not "by a child."
Although the USA has not executed a child (by the definition in article of the Convention
on the Rights of the Child,) it has broken international law in this area.
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
[...snip...]
> > Young Andy quotes the following;
> >
> > "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the
> > law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1,
> > UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)
> >
> > A murderer under the age of 18 who is tried as an adult has
> > attained majority under the laws applicable to him and is, according
> > to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, no longer a
> > "child".
> Quite true.
Like everything I post.
> But, the convention also specifically forbids execution for crimes
> committed under the age of 18.
Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
> Not for crimes committed while a child.
Your previous quote points out that being a "child" and being
"under the age of 18" are considered two different things, Andy.
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > > >
> > > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > > >
> > >
> > > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > > the Rights of the Child)
> >
> > So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> > United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> > since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
> >
> > ...didn't think so.
>
> But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
> convention.
No, my misinformed young european friend, it is not.
> Paragraph (a) of article 37 states "Neither capital punishment nor life
> imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by
> persons below eighteen years of age."
> Note that it says "by persons below eighteen years of age" and not "by a child."
> Although the USA has not executed a child (by the definition in article of the Convention
> on the Rights of the Child,) it has broken international law in this area.
No, my misinformed young european friend, it has not. The United
States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
specifically amended it before signing. We are not held to your
interpretation.
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
>
> [...snip...]
>
> > > Young Andy quotes the following;
> > >
> > > "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the
> > > law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1,
> > > UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)
> > >
> > > A murderer under the age of 18 who is tried as an adult has
> > > attained majority under the laws applicable to him and is, according
> > > to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, no longer a
> > > "child".
>
> > Quite true.
>
> Like everything I post.
>
You should become a comedian. With jokes like that, you could go far (from a
computer, hopefully)
>
> > But, the convention also specifically forbids execution for crimes
> > committed under the age of 18.
>
> Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
> country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
>
Article 37, paragraph (a). See UNICEF's website if you don't believe me
(http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm but it is down for maintenance this
weekend). Also, according to that site, the USA has not ratified the
convention, an honour which it shares with only one other member state,
Somalia, who doesn't have a recognised government at the moment.
>
> > Not for crimes committed while a child.
>
> Your previous quote points out that being a "child" and being
> "under the age of 18" are considered two different things, Andy.
I know. But the wording of the convention states that the death penalty may
not be used for crimes committed under 18. Note that it does not say "while a
child." So while the USA may not have executed children, in most certainly has
executed for crimes committed under the age of 18, which IS illegal under
international law.
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > > > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > > > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > > > the Rights of the Child)
> > >
> > > So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> > > United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> > > since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
> > >
> > > ...didn't think so.
> >
> > But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
> > convention.
>
> No, my misinformed young european friend, it is not.
>
According to UNICEF's website, the convention contains the paragraph below (in the quote). Are
you accusing UNICEF of lying?
>
> > Paragraph (a) of article 37 states "Neither capital punishment nor life
> > imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by
> > persons below eighteen years of age."
> > Note that it says "by persons below eighteen years of age" and not "by a child."
> > Although the USA has not executed a child (by the definition in article of the Convention
> > on the Rights of the Child,) it has broken international law in this area.
>
> No, my misinformed young european friend, it has not.
Yes it has. Or are UNICEF liars?
> The United
> States
...
<jingoistic crap snipped>
...
> specifically amended it before signing. We are not held to your
> interpretation.
As the USA has not ratified the convention (taking joint honours with a country with no
recognised government, Somalia) you are not bound by any version of the convention.
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
> > [...snip...]
> >
> > > > Young Andy quotes the following;
> > > >
> > > > "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the
> > > > law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1,
> > > > UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)
> > > >
> > > > A murderer under the age of 18 who is tried as an adult has
> > > > attained majority under the laws applicable to him and is, according
> > > > to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, no longer a
> > > > "child".
> >
> > > Quite true.
> >
> > Like everything I post.
[...snip...]
> > Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
> > country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
> Article 37, paragraph (a). See UNICEF's website if you don't believe me
> (http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm but it is down for maintenance this
> weekend). Also, according to that site, the USA has not ratified the
> convention, an honour which it shares with only one other member state,
> Somalia, who doesn't have a recognised government at the moment.
Even though you are (as usual) wrong, why do you suppose the United
States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW) is bound
by a treaty that you think we didn't ratify?
Hope this helps,
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > > > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > > > > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > > > > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > > > > the Rights of the Child)
> > > >
> > > > So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> > > > United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> > > > since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
> > > >
> > > > ...didn't think so.
> > >
> > > But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
> > > convention.
> >
> > No, my misinformed young european friend, it is not.
> According to UNICEF's website, the convention contains the paragraph below (in the quote). Are
> you accusing UNICEF of lying?
No, I am pointing out the fact that you are mistaken, my young,
unwashed european friend.
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
>
> > > [...snip...]
> > >
> > > > > Young Andy quotes the following;
> > > > >
> > > > > "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the
> > > > > law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1,
> > > > > UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)
> > > > >
> > > > > A murderer under the age of 18 who is tried as an adult has
> > > > > attained majority under the laws applicable to him and is, according
> > > > > to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, no longer a
> > > > > "child".
> > >
> > > > Quite true.
> > >
> > > Like everything I post.
>
> [...snip...]
>
> > > Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
> > > country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
>
> > Article 37, paragraph (a). See UNICEF's website if you don't believe me
> > (http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm but it is down for maintenance this
> > weekend). Also, according to that site, the USA has not ratified the
> > convention, an honour which it shares with only one other member state,
> > Somalia, who doesn't have a recognised government at the moment.
>
> Even though you are (as usual) wrong, why do you suppose the United
> States
...
(jingoistic crap snipped)
...
> is bound
> by a treaty that you think we didn't ratify?
It is still part of international law. See
http://www.unicef.org/crc/process.htm#060 ("What is the Convention's significance
in countries that have not ratified or acceded to it?") And I think the USA has
not ratified it because of the following: "...only two countries have not ratified
[the Convention on the Rights of the Child]. The United States, which has signalled
its intention to ratify by formally signing the Convention, now stands as the only
industrialized country in the world and one of only two United Nations member
States yet to make this legal commitment to children." (from
http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm ) and "By signing the Convention, the United
States has signalled its intention to ratify – but has yet to do so."
(http://www.unicef.org/crc/faq.htm#009 )
Andrew
(BTW, I shall be away until Thursday, so don't expect a quick reply)
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > > > > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > > > > > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > > > > > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > > > > > the Rights of the Child)
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> > > > > United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> > > > > since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
> > > > >
> > > > > ...didn't think so.
> > > >
> > > > But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
> > > > convention.
> > >
> > > No, my misinformed young european friend, it is not.
>
> > According to UNICEF's website, the convention contains the paragraph below (in the quote). Are
> > you accusing UNICEF of lying?
>
> No, I am pointing out the fact that you are mistaken, my young,
> unwashed european friend.
So how do you explain the following?
"No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for
offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age."
(http://www.unicef.org/crc/fulltext.htm#art37 )
Andrew
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
[...snip...]
> > > > Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
> > > > country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
> > > Article 37, paragraph (a). See UNICEF's website if you don't believe me
> > > (http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm but it is down for maintenance this
> > > weekend). Also, according to that site, the USA has not ratified the
> > > convention, an honour which it shares with only one other member state,
> > > Somalia, who doesn't have a recognised government at the moment.
> > Even though you are (as usual) wrong, why do you suppose
> > the United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW) is bound
> > by a treaty that you think we didn't ratify?
> It is still part of international law.
No my son, it is not.
> See
> http://www.unicef.org/crc/process.htm#060 ("What is the Convention's significance
> in countries that have not ratified or acceded to it?") And I think the USA has
> not ratified it because of the following: "...only two countries have not ratified
> [the Convention on the Rights of the Child]. The United States, which has signalled
> its intention to ratify by formally signing the Convention, now stands as the only
> industrialized country in the world and one of only two United Nations member
> States yet to make this legal commitment to children." (from
> http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm ) and "By signing the Convention, the United
> States has signalled its intention to ratify – but has yet to do so."
> (http://www.unicef.org/crc/faq.htm#009 )
The United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth,
BTW) edited the version we signed, my misinformed and smelly
european friend. We specifically deleted the section that
disapproved of just punishment for proven murderers.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > > > G EddieA95 wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >act like a neanderthal, i promise to
> > > > > > > > > > >support electrocution and gassing of women children, and mental defectives.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) None of our States have executed a "child" since the World War 2 period.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > > There have been executions for murders committed when aged 16 or 17.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy, as the previous poster pointed out, "None of our States have
> > > > > > > > executed a 'child' since the World War 2 period."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Like I stated, in a section which you snipped, in international law a child is
> > > > > > > defined as "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law
> > > > > > > applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier." (Article 1, UN Convention on
> > > > > > > the Rights of the Child)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what is the name of this "child" who was justly executed in the
> > > > > > United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW)
> > > > > > since reintroduction of the just Death Penalty in the late 1970s?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...didn't think so.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, by executing for crimes committed while under 18, the USA is still violating the
> > > > > convention.
> > > >
> > > > No, my misinformed young european friend, it is not.
> >
> > > According to UNICEF's website, the convention contains the paragraph below (in the quote). Are
> > > you accusing UNICEF of lying?
> >
> > No, I am pointing out the fact that you are mistaken, my young,
> > unwashed european friend.
> So how do you explain the following?
> "No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
> Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for
> offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age."
> (http://www.unicef.org/crc/fulltext.htm#art37 )
That section seems to be missing from the document that the United
States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW) signed.
Hope this helps,
A Planet Visitor
are absolutely so full of it. What about "animal rights?" The way you
abuse those sheep in Scotland is absolutely disgusting. And speaking
of horrific violation of human rights, wouldn't you say that your
insufferable, lunatic ravings qualify as a violation of the reader's human
rights?
"Desmond Coughlan" <des...@lievre.voute.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:28:39 -0700, Rebecca <rfrans@no_spam.com> wrote:
>
> > > It`s good to know that there are still some countries out there
> > > who understand the need to keep their traditions alive. Oh please
> > > God if i come back again let it be as an American
>
> > bet you don't wanna talk about how the Swiss based all of their
> > wealth and reputation on the melted fillings pulled out of
> > jewish teeth, do you?
>
> Why should he ? That was over fifty years ago. The horrific violations
> of human rights being inflicted by the planet's biggest hypocritical
> nation, the United States, are here, and now.
>
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |Restez Zen ... UNIX peut le faire
> des...@coughlan.net
> http://www.coughlan.net/desmond
>
Rev. Don Kool
Don't mind young Desi. He is the acknowledged laughingstock of
alt.activism.death-penalty. As trolls go, Desi could be worse. As
things stand now he is simply ignored and that irritates him
greatly. He doesn't really believe any of what he says against the
United States or against the just Death Penalty. He has told me
often in private messages that he is all for the just Death
Penalty. He just uses an annoying personnae here to amuse himself.
No one in their right mind would advocate a few years of simple
incarceration for proven capital murderers unless they were simply
trolling. We all know that the just Death Penalty is the only
appropriate and morally right punishment for those that choose to
murder.
Hope this helps,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
http://members.home.net/oldno7
d.streuli
>
"Rev. Don Kool" schrieb:
> > > > >
> Quite true.
>
> Like everything I post.
>
> ************* You a bounty hunter?
> * Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> * Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
> ********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales" ( this just about somes
> up our neathanderal "Rev" )
> http://members.home.net/oldno7
>
>
> Oh Yeah! everything the "Rev" Posts is true, like he is an ordained minister?
> like he is an MD. if you believe that then you should find a real MD, one with
> experience in delusional therapy. The "Rev Don Kool Mcdonald" is a fraud and a
> liar! i challenge him publicly to scan his MD credentials, plus his theological
> qualifications. I will also bet him personaly the sum of $5000 that he has
> neither. OK red neck put up or shut up. no other answer is applicable.
Keith
>
Rev. Don Kool
ROTFLOLASTD!!!! You are simply too funny, my child. What isn't
funny of course is your support for proven murderers and the crimes
they choose to commit. Here in the United States (the greatest
country on the face of the Earth, BTW) we know that the just Death
Penalty is the only appropriate and morally right punishment for
those that choose to murder.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Åndrew R
> Andy R wrote:
> > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
>
> [...snip...]
>
> > > > > Not the version the Congress of the United States (the greatest
> > > > > country on the face of the Earth, BTW) ratified.
>
> > > > Article 37, paragraph (a). See UNICEF's website if you don't believe me
> > > > (http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm but it is down for maintenance this
> > > > weekend). Also, according to that site, the USA has not ratified the
> > > > convention, an honour which it shares with only one other member state,
> > > > Somalia, who doesn't have a recognised government at the moment.
>
> > > Even though you are (as usual) wrong, why do you suppose
> > > the United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW) is bound
> > > by a treaty that you think we didn't ratify?
>
> > It is still part of international law.
>
> No my son, it is not.
>
"Like all human rights treaties, the Convention on the Rights of the Child had first to
be approved, or adopted, by the United Nations General Assembly. On 20 November 1989, the
governments represented at the General Assembly agreed to adopt the Convention into
international law." (http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm )
>
> > See
> > http://www.unicef.org/crc/process.htm#060 ("What is the Convention's significance
> > in countries that have not ratified or acceded to it?") And I think the USA has
> > not ratified it because of the following: "...only two countries have not ratified
> > [the Convention on the Rights of the Child]. The United States, which has signalled
> > its intention to ratify by formally signing the Convention, now stands as the only
> > industrialized country in the world and one of only two United Nations member
> > States yet to make this legal commitment to children." (from
> > http://www.unicef.org/crc/crc.htm ) and "By signing the Convention, the United
> > States has signalled its intention to ratify – but has yet to do so."
> > (http://www.unicef.org/crc/faq.htm#009 )
>
> The United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth,
> BTW) edited the version we signed, my misinformed and smelly
> european friend. We specifically deleted the section that
> disapproved of just punishment for proven murderers.
That doesn't matter. Like I said before, international law (in paragraph 1, article 37
of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child) expressly forbids capital punishment for
crimes committed when under 18. The fact that the USA does not agree with this makes no
difference. Disagreeing with a law does not mean that you are not bound by it any less
than if you like it. In this case, the USA is breaking international law by executing
people for crimes committed when under 18.
A Planet Visitor
Especially one of the cloth. Like all of the tightass Swiss, you should
consider loosening up by perhaps visiting the local park and obtaining
some sexual action. Use some of the money you are holding out from
WW II survivors to pay for it...you have plenty of that. In any discussion
of the DP, those who are, who live in, who use any facility, or buy
any product of that most unwholesome of nations, have no business being.
"d.streuli" <d.st...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:390040B0...@swissonline.ch...
>
>
> >
>
> "Rev. Don Kool" schrieb:
>
> > > > > >
> > Quite true.
> >
> > Like everything I post.
> >
> > ************* You a bounty hunter?
> > * Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> > * Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
> > ********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales" ( this just
about somes
> > up our neathanderal "Rev" )
> > http://members.home.net/oldno7
> >
> >
> > Oh Yeah! everything the "Rev" Posts is true, like he is an ordained
minister?
> > like he is an MD. if you believe that then you should find a real MD,
one with
> > experience in delusional therapy. The "Rev Don Kool Mcdonald" is a fraud
and a
> > liar! i challenge him publicly to scan his MD credentials, plus his
theological
> > qualifications. I will also bet him personaly the sum of $5000 that he
has
> > neither. OK red neck put up or shut up. no other answer is applicable.
>
>
Keith
>
> >
>
G EddieA95
>minister?
>> > like he is an MD.
I'm no Kool fan, but the "MD" in his .sig is not a medical title; it is the
abbreviation for the State of Maryland.
Rev. Don Kool
Sorry Andy but the United States (the greatest country on the face
of the Earth, BTW) is only bound by the version of the treaty that
we signed. That is the version that is "international law".
Hope this helps,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Denise
A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote in message
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> It's just plain nasty to accuse someone of misrepresenting themselves.
> Especially one of the cloth. Like all of the tightass Swiss, you should
> consider loosening up by perhaps visiting the local park and obtaining
> some sexual action. Use some of the money you are holding out from
> WW II survivors to pay for it...you have plenty of that. In any
discussion
> of the DP, those who are, who live in, who use any facility, or buy
> any product of that most unwholesome of nations, have no business being.
Any regular reader or poster to this forum knows that the only cloth Don is
a man of, is a dust cloth. Pro and Anti alike find him bordering on the
absurd most of the time. Occasionally, I see something that resembles
lucidity from him, but not often.
>
> "d.streuli" <d.st...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> news:390040B0...@swissonline.ch...
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > "Rev. Don Kool" schrieb:
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > Quite true.
> > >
> > > Like everything I post.
> > >
> > > ************* You a bounty hunter?
> > > * Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> > > * Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
> > > ********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales" ( this just
> about somes
> > > up our neathanderal "Rev" )
> > > http://members.home.net/oldno7
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh Yeah! everything the "Rev" Posts is true, like he is an ordained
> minister?
Åndrew R
What makes the USA so special that you can ignore international law?
Rev. Don Kool
Andy R wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > Andy R wrote:
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andy R wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Dave Proctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > "G EddieA95" <gedd...@aol.com> wrote...
[...snip long section that Andy cluelessly included without
comment...]
> > Sorry Andy but the United States (the greatest country on the face
> > of the Earth, BTW) is only bound by the version of the treaty that
> > we signed. That is the version that is "international law".
> What makes the USA so special that you can ignore international law?
Sorry Andy but the United States (the greatest country on the
face of the Earth, BTW) is only bound by the version of the treaty
that we signed. That is the version that is "international law".
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
A Planet Visitor
"Denise" <guar...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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>
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote in message
> news:PP0M4.55159$y4.18...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > It's just plain nasty to accuse someone of misrepresenting themselves.
> > Especially one of the cloth. Like all of the tightass Swiss, you should
> > consider loosening up by perhaps visiting the local park and obtaining
> > some sexual action. Use some of the money you are holding out from
> > WW II survivors to pay for it...you have plenty of that. In any
> discussion
> > of the DP, those who are, who live in, who use any facility, or buy
> > any product of that most unwholesome of nations, have no business being.
>
> Any regular reader or poster to this forum knows that the only cloth Don
is
> a man of, is a dust cloth. Pro and Anti alike find him bordering on the
> absurd most of the time. Occasionally, I see something that resembles
> lucidity from him, but not often.
>
> >
> > "d.streuli" <d.st...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> > news:390040B0...@swissonline.ch...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > "Rev. Don Kool" schrieb:
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > Quite true.
> > > >
> > > > Like everything I post.
> > > >
> > > > ************* You a bounty hunter?
> > > > * Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> > > > * Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
Denise
> And this would be the opinion of the Swiss Strudel mädchen??
hmmmmmm.. I'm not swiss, have no clue what a madchen is, so I guess not.
Why do you seem to take it so personally that I find Don so ludicrous?
Poll the NG including the Pro Side and you'll find that my opinion of him is
in the majority. The mans a nutcase.
Rev. Don Kool
Denise wrote:
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote...
> > And this would be the opinion of the Swiss Strudel mädchen??
>
> hmmmmmm.. I'm not swiss, have no clue what a madchen is, so I guess not.
> Why do you seem to take it so personally that I find Don so ludicrous?
> Poll the NG including the Pro Side and you'll find that my opinion of him is
decidedly in the minority.
Sorry to break it to you, Hon but my views are decidedly in the
majority. Support for the just Death Penalty runs at about 80% the
world over. Over 90% of the world's population supports the just
Death Penalty.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Dave Proctor
news:3902FCD6...@home.com...
> Sorry to break it to you, Hon but my views are decidedly in the
> majority. Support for the just Death Penalty runs at about 80% the
> world over. Over 90% of the world's population supports the just
> Death Penalty.
So which is it Kooky? "around 80%" or "Over 90%"?
Dave
Denise
Rev. Don Kool <old...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3902FCD6...@home.com...
>
>
> Denise wrote:
> > A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote...
>
> > > And this would be the opinion of the Swiss Strudel mädchen??
> >
> > hmmmmmm.. I'm not swiss, have no clue what a madchen is, so I guess
not.
> > Why do you seem to take it so personally that I find Don so ludicrous?
> > Poll the NG including the Pro Side and you'll find that my opinion of
him is
> decidedly in the minority.
>
> majority. Support for the just Death Penalty runs at about 80% the
> world over. Over 90% of the world's population supports the just
> Death Penalty.
>
> Don
It is not death penalty supporters that I have the problem with Don, It's
abusive idiots with to much computer time on their hands. There are many DP
supporters on this NG who manage to make sane, rational arguments for the
Pro side, and they manage to do it without sinking into the gutter, without
using obscene or threatening behavior, and without having to post
fraudulanty and illegally. While I may not agree with their positions
sometimes, I have nothing but respect for the way they express them.
`nuff said.
A Planet Visitor
thread to d. streuli (thus the Strudel), and when you responded to that
thread, I made the false mental connection of d. being denise. d. streuli
uses a Swiss Usenet account. Strudel for want of a better definition, as
it has a few meanings, means to whirl, or swirl, in cooking it would be
a swirl cake, but in my context implied the mental process of the person,
and mädchen is "young girl." both in German. In any case, I find I
sometimes
must defend Rev Don, simply because he often speaks the truth, or his form
of the truth, and as one wont to use the term would say, "He often speaks
in tongues." One must sometimes look beyond the sarcasm, irony and
downright disrespect he shows, but to call him a nutcase, or a man of the
dustcloth is rather disrespectful too. Plus the fact that he is down on the
case of Desi...gets me to see beyond the facade he sometimes constructs.
Face it...he's a troll...but he's a lovable troll. He gets us talking, and
arguing and he downright deflates our pontificating on the DP, when he
feels like it, but he is not a nutcase. We should work on the things we
can change, and accept the things we cannot. Don is one of the things
we cannot change. Desi is still a work in progress.
"Denise" <guar...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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>
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote in message
> news:xanM4.57901$y4.19...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > And this would be the opinion of the Swiss Strudel mädchen??
>
>
> hmmmmmm.. I'm not swiss, have no clue what a madchen is, so I guess not.
> Why do you seem to take it so personally that I find Don so ludicrous?
> Poll the NG including the Pro Side and you'll find that my opinion of him
is
> > > > > > ************* You a bounty hunter?
> > > > > > * Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
> > > > > > * Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
Denise
> My honest mistake...Follow the thread. I was replying in the previous
> thread to d. streuli (thus the Strudel), and when you responded to that
> thread, I made the false mental connection of d. being denise. d. streuli
> uses a Swiss Usenet account. Strudel for want of a better definition, as
> it has a few meanings, means to whirl, or swirl, in cooking it would be
> a swirl cake, but in my context implied the mental process of the person,
> and mädchen is "young girl." both in German. In any case, I find I
> sometimes
> must defend Rev Don, simply because he often speaks the truth, or his form
> of the truth, and as one wont to use the term would say, "He often speaks
> in tongues." One must sometimes look beyond the sarcasm, irony and
> downright disrespect he shows, but to call him a nutcase, or a man of the
> dustcloth is rather disrespectful too. Plus the fact that he is down on
the
> case of Desi...gets me to see beyond the facade he sometimes constructs.
> Face it...he's a troll...but he's a lovable troll. He gets us talking,
and
> arguing and he downright deflates our pontificating on the DP, when he
> feels like it, but he is not a nutcase. We should work on the things we
> can change, and accept the things we cannot. Don is one of the things
> we cannot change. Desi is still a work in progress.
Hmmmmm.. A lovable troll??? Lets see.. In the year I have been posting
here, I've seen him call quite a few women, including myself, Cunts. Because
I admitted to having fostered at risk youth, it was implied that I was
sexually involved with them, and that the fostered youth sexually abused my
natural children. I, and all the other abolishionist, have been called
murderer lovers, though my own brother was murdered, shot in the face during
a robbery. This behavior may seem lovable to you, but this is a grown man
we're talking about. He should be able to temper his language, and behave
approriately. His behavior is meant to disrupt and destroy honest dialog,
and it is because of him that post degenerate so quickly.
I, like may others, sit back and watch the whole "Don vs. Desi" crap almost
every day, and here are the major differences between them as I see it.
Desi can be rude to quite a few of the retentionists, I've seen it, and I
don't agree with it. But it normally stops at simple rudeness, he does not
forge posts, he does not use other posters User names (except Don's.. I saw
him do that once.. Seemed to me to be only fair since Don does it to him a
few times a week.)
Desi does to be something of a nationalist, but so are many of the posters
on both sides of this issue.
Don, on the other hand, is rude to everyone, except those few people who
walk his party line. He can be just as rude to his own side in this debate.
He doesn't like women much, doesn't seem to like children either, and does
his best to nullify any argument a woman makes in this forum. If that does
not work, and it often does not, he resorts to vile namecalling. As a
christian, and as a woman, I find his stance abhorrent, and as any
legitamate Christain can tell you, it is also an affront to God. He uses
fraud and deceit to turn new readers and posters on this forum against
certain members, and pretty much disrupts even the best of the threads. You
may have a problem with me calling him a nutcase, but I call them as I see
them.
A Planet Visitor
your opinion, and you express it quite well. I've never had occasion
to read anything into his posts but trolling threads meant to fan the
flames of whatever is being discussed. Usually...no, always...I simply
laugh them off, sometimes with a shake of my head, or a sigh, or
even a response of approval when egos are deflated. I fly off the
handle erratically myself...After all, this is the internet!!! Obviously,
he is pro-DP, which perhaps raises your level of sensitivity. I am
sorry for your personal tragedy, and I'm glad your spiritual
background has sustained you. I have a different view than you
regarding the DP, and also have a spiritual rearing throughout my
life, but that's neither here nor there. Nevertheless...I'll not make
the mistake of confusing Denise with d. streuli again.
"Denise" <guar...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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Rev. Don Kool
Dave Proctor wrote:
> "Don Kool" <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > Sorry to break it to you, Hon but my views are decidedly in the
> > majority. Support for the just Death Penalty runs at about 80% the
> > world over. Over 90% of the world's population supports the just
> > Death Penalty.
>
> So which is it Kooky? "around 80%" or "Over 90%"?
Polls show support for the just Death Penalty runs about 80%.
Over 90% of the world's population supports the just Death Penalty.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
--
********************** You a bounty hunter?
* Rev. Don McDonald * Man's gotta earn a living.
* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
********************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Rev. Don Kool
Denise wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool <old...@home.com> wrote...
> > Denise wrote:
> > > A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote...
> > > > And this would be the opinion of the Swiss Strudel mädchen??
> > >
> > > hmmmmmm.. I'm not swiss, have no clue what a madchen is, so I guess
> not.
> > > Why do you seem to take it so personally that I find Don so ludicrous?
> > > Poll the NG including the Pro Side and you'll find that my opinion of
> him is
> > decidedly in the minority.
> >
> > Sorry to break it to you, Hon but my views are decidedly in the
> > majority. Support for the just Death Penalty runs at about 80% the
> > world over. Over 90% of the world's population supports the just
> > Death Penalty.
> >
> > Happy to have cleared things up for you,
> > Don
>
> It is not death penalty supporters that I have the problem with Don, It's
> abusive idiots with to much computer time on their hands. There are many DP
> supporters on this NG who manage to make sane, rational arguments for the
> Pro side, and they manage to do it without sinking into the gutter, without
> using obscene or threatening behavior, and without having to post
> fraudulanty and illegally. While I may not agree with their positions
> sometimes, I have nothing but respect for the way they express them.
> `nuff said.
I try to avoid those types, Hon. They serve no purpose other than
to vitiate reasoned debate.
Yours in Christ,
Desmond Coughlan
[snip]
> he does not
> forge posts, he does not use other posters User names (except Don's.. I saw
> him do that once.. Seemed to me to be only fair since Don does it to him a
> few times a week.)
Curious. This is one of those examples of a myth, repeated often enough as
to be generally accepted.
Denise, at no time have I forged a post by Drewl, or anyone else.
Denise
> > forge posts, he does not use other posters User names (except Don's.. I
saw
> > him do that once.. Seemed to me to be only fair since Don does it to him
a
> > few times a week.)
>
as
> to be generally accepted.
>
> Denise, at no time have I forged a post by Drewl, or anyone else.
You're absolutly correct on that point. I was notified that I credited you
with someone else's little Don joke, and I apologize, but I still find that
post pretty darn funny.
Desmond Coughlan
[snip]
> > Curious. This is one of those examples of a myth, repeated often enough
> as
> > to be generally accepted.
> >
> > Denise, at no time have I forged a post by Drewl, or anyone else.
> You're absolutly correct on that point. I was notified that I credited you
> with someone else's little Don joke, and I apologize, but I still find that
> post pretty darn funny.
Hmm ... if it was funny, then maybe it wasn't Drewl ...
Seriously, if you're referring to the drewl...@my-deja.com posts, (or
whatever), then if my memory serves me correctly, I was administering
NT out at Esso Europe's headquarters in Rueil-Malmaison (on behalf of
Cap Gemini) at the time.
There is no way I could have made those posts, as none of the machines
in Esso (for reasons of security) is connected to the Internet. Security
is so tight that the walls of the server room are lined with lead to
withstand a nuclear attack, and their security chief is a former head of
the 'Renseignements Généraux', France's domestic intelligence service.
Those posts were, in fact, made by Drewl, in order to fool people into
thinking that I as making them. He was, in fact, impersonating me
impersonating him.
Quite sad, how obsession can lead a 'man' to ruin, isn't it ..? :-(
--
Desmond Coughlan |Restez Zen ... UNIX peut le faire
des...@coughlan.net
http://www.coughlan.net/desmond
A Planet Visitor
This observation by YOU, certainly caused me to drop my
coffee. Yes, it is quite sad how someone can obsess about
another society's use of their own law, and how someone
can constantly exclaim how wonderful it is where they live,
and how primitive and barbaric the actions of other nations
are. Too bad you don't often look in the mirror.
Denise
I agree that Don is obsessed, but he wasn't the one who made the "drewl"
posts. There is no way his ego would allow him to do that, plus I don't
think he's capable of "thinking outside the box", the post struck to close
to home and would have required more than a little bit of self-realization.
Desmond Coughlan
[snip]
> > Those posts were, in fact, made by Drewl, in order to fool people into
> > thinking that I as making them. He was, in fact, impersonating me
> > impersonating him.
> >
> > Quite sad, how obsession can lead a 'man' to ruin, isn't it ..? :-(
> I agree that Don is obsessed, but he wasn't the one who made the "drewl"
> posts. There is no way his ego would allow him to do that, plus I don't
> think he's capable of "thinking outside the box", the post struck to close
> to home and would have required more than a little bit of self-realization.
Those posts came from a French-based NNTP server; one belonging to Club-
Internet, unless I'm very much mistaken.
It wouldn't surprise me if he had paid for a Club-Internet subscription,
just to 'get back at Desi [sic]', since I've been swatting him down like
a fly for well over five years, now ... even when I don't answer his posts.
LOL ... too easy.
So anyway ... who *did* make the posts ?