Frist Accumulated Stock outside Trusts
Earl Evleth
criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."
****
Frist Accumulated Stock outside Trusts
By Larry Margasak and Jonathan M. Katz
The Associated Press
Tuesday 11 October 2005
Washington - Outside the blind trusts he created to avoid a conflict of
interest, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist earned tens of thousands of
dollars from stock in a family-founded hospital chain largely controlled by
his brother, documents show.
The Tennessee Republican, whose sale this summer of HCA Inc. stock is
under federal investigation, has long maintained he could own HCA shares and
still vote on health care legislation without a conflict because he had
placed the stock in blind trusts approved by the Senate.
However, ethics experts say a partnership arrangement shown in
documents obtained by The Associated Press raises serious doubts about
whether the senator truly avoided a conflict.
In that case, the HCA stock was accumulated by a family investment
partnership started by the senator's late parents and later overseen by
his brother, Thomas Frist. The brother served as president of the
partnership's management company and as a top officer of HCA. Sen. Frist
holds no position with the company.
The senator's share of the partnership was placed in a Tennessee blind
trust between 1998 and 2002 that was separate from those governed by
Senate ethics rules. Frist reported Bowling Avenue Partners, made up
mostly of non-public HCA stock, earned him $265,495 in dividends and
other income over the four years.
Edmond M. Ianni, a former Wilmington, Del., bank executive who
established blind trusts for corporate executives, questioned why the
senator's brother was able to manage assets "when the whole purpose of
a blind trust is to ensure lack of not only conflict of interest - but
appearance of conflict of interest?"
Kathleen Clark, a government ethics expert at the Washington University
in St. Louis School of Law, said she doesn't believe the Senate trusts or
the Tennessee trust insulated Frist from a conflict because the senator or
his brother were advised of transactions and could influence decisions.
"What I find most appalling is the Senate calls it a qualified blind
trust when it's not blind," Clark said. "Since the Senate says it's OK,
the Senate has made it a political question. It's up to the voter. But
there's no doubt it's a conflict of interest."
Frist's interest in Bowling Avenue Partners and the Tennessee blind
trust were listed on the annual disclosure reports he filed with the
Senate. Thomas Frist's ability to influence HCA stock decisions in the
partnership was detailed in separate trust and partnership documents
obtained by the AP.
Those documents show Thomas Frist was listed as the "general partner"
and "registered agent" of Bowling Avenue Partners. He also was listed
as president of the partnership's management company.
Thomas Frist founded HCA, the nation's largest for-profit hospital
chain, with his and the senator's father. He currently is the company's
chairman emeritus.
Frist advisers confirmed the senator's brother could influence
investment decisions in the Bowling Avenue partnership and said the
partnership was placed in a Tennessee trust because Senate ethics rules
didn't allow the non-public HCA shares to be included in Senate-approved
trusts.
"His interests in the family partnership were not held by his Senate
blind trusts because Senate rules did not permit it. Senator Frist did
not control the assets in this partnership and he annually disclosed
his interests to the public as required," Frist spokesman Bob Stevenson
said.
Thomas Frist did not return repeated phone calls to his office at HCA
seeking comment.
Bowling Avenue Partners' HCA shares became marketable securities when
the estate of Frist's mother was settled in probate. Frist then began
transferring those shares in stages from the Tennessee blind trust to the
Senate-approved trusts in 2001 and 2002.
The value of all the transferred shares, calculated on the dates they
went into the Senate trusts, was between $775,000 and $1.57 million,
according to letters the trustees sent to Frist and the Senate. That
stock was on top of millions of dollars in various investments Frist
already owned in the Senate blind trusts.
With his background as a heart surgeon as well as majority leader,
Frist has been at the forefront of legislation that would affect the
hospital chain. Among the issues: a Medicare prescription drug benefit
and limits on medical malpractice lawsuits.
Frist kept HCA stock in Bowling Avenue Partners and the Tennessee blind
trust - but outside the Senate-approved trusts - between 1998 and 2002.
His investments in Nashville-based HCA are being investigated by
federal prosecutors and the Securities and Exchange Commission after an
AP report that the senator had asked administrators of his Senate blind
trusts to sell his HCA holdings.
Frist ordered the stock sold June 13 and all sales were completed by
July 1. HCA stock peaked on June 22 and then gradually declined. On July
13, it dropped 9 percent.
Reports to the SEC showed insiders sold about 2.3 million shares of HCA
stock worth at least $112 million from January through June 2005.
Frist has denied having insider company information when he ordered the
stock sold in June. The profit the senator made from the sales is not
known.
The Bowling Avenue name came from the street of the Frist family home
in Nashville.
Planet Visitor II
> "America", Mark Twain once said ,"is a nation without a distinct
> criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."
>
please. " I think that's the quote from him you live by.
Planet Visitor II
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"If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other
way. " Mark Twain
I would hope that my role as that cat has taught you something,
even this late in your life.
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:BF72EFB2.7D551%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>> "America", Mark Twain once said ,"is a nation without a distinct
>> criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."
>>
> He also said -- "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you
> please. " I think that's the quote from him you live by.
>
I posted a news item, PV. I assume that some of what is reported is
factual.
First FACT, there is a problem are for Frist.
The story develops since today "Frist has been subpoenaed".
I would just that as a probably FACT, would you not PV??
My own guess is that it is difficult to prove "insider" trading,
one really has to have hard proof.
I think he, like Delay, risks little. The people at criminal
prosecution risk in any society are not mostly among the rich and the
powerful. We occasionally get a few.
By the way, are you at risk for impersonation of another person (Cindy?).
That seems to be a self-admitted FACT.
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Frist subpoenaed in probe of stock sales:
Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:55 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has been subpoenaed
to turn over personal records in an investigation into possible insider
trading, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.
The Securities and Exchange Commission issued the subpoena within the past
two weeks, the newspaper reported, citing sources familiar with the probe.
A spokesman for Frist, a Tennessee Republican, was not immediately available
for comment.
Frist aides previously said he had been contacted by regulators but did not
mention that he had received a formal request for documents, The Washington
Post said.
Authorities are looking into Frist's recent sale of shares of hospital
operator HCA Inc., co-founded by Frist's father and brother. The sales took
place just days before HCA's stock price fell on a disappointing July 13
profit outlook.
The newspaper, citing sources who spoke on condition of anonymity, said
Frist was expected to testify under oath about what he knew about HCA's
financial standing in the weeks before the stock sales.
Frist, viewed widely as a potential 2008 presidential candidate, said last
month he had no inside information about the coming profit forecast when he
began taking steps in April that led to the stock sale, which was completed
on July 8.
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Earl Evleth wrote:
> By the way, are you at risk for impersonation of another person (Cindy?).
> That seems to be a self-admitted FACT.
>
That probably translates a badly repressed desire and its subsequent
phantasmas.
Euro
Planet Visitor II
> On 13/10/05 9:10, in article xaSdndI7rrmTkdPe...@giganews.com,
> "Planet Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>> news:BF72EFB2.7D551%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>>> "America", Mark Twain once said ,"is a nation without a distinct
>>> criminal class "with the possible exception of Congress."
>>>
>> He also said -- "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you
>> please. " I think that's the quote from him you live by.
>>
>
> I posted a news item, PV. I assume that some of what is reported is
> factual.
Well... assuming makes an ass of you, and in almost every case, believing you
would make an ass of me. While you are blind to the FACT that my comment
was related to nothing other than your quotation of Twain. I try hard to
ignore your poisonous pessimist posed comments which are in reality
a hate for America, and a hate for all those who are not slavishly in support of
your extreme and fanatic leftist agenda. Your hate will ultimately destroy
you. And what is almost unbelievable is that you have lived as long as you
have with that hate eating you up.
> First FACT, there is a problem are for Frist.
>
ROTFLMAO... As if politicians don't have problems with those who
hold different views. But I thought Donna had insisted you had been
educated in the U.S.?
<clip rest of nonsense>
Earl's vast and extensive knowledge of terrorism, displayed in his words
when someone mentioned that "The terrorists where (sic) here long before
2001 Earl." Earl jumped back in amazement, and asked -- "Here is where?
The USA or where?"
Now, do that dance, Earl.
<article clipped>
Planet Visitor II
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"An apology? Bah! Disgusting! Cowardly! Beneath the dignity of any
gentleman, however wrong he might be." -- Steve Martin
And there is encapsulated the feelings of the pompous Earl, the
Churl
Planet Visitor II
European
But you really shouldn't presume that all you have to do is add
an "s" to make a word in English a plural. I'll leave that for your own
research. Since it already shows your ignorance.
Planet Visitor II
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"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry
in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their
humanity, their dignity and personhood," -- Corette Scott King
Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
much as he hates all others who are different from him.
> Euro
Earl Evleth
Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
> much as he hates all others who are different from him.
He may have a problem with transvestites, who dress to fool poor males
looking for something else!
By the way, what shade of lipstick do you use Cindy?
Hammer_The_Deathie_Scum_Into_The_Ground
Earl Evleth a écrit :
ROFL!!!!
Another 'gimmick' used by James 'Forcible Sterilisation for Jews!'
Noles comes back to bite his Jew-hating arse!!!
ROFL!!!
God, I 'LOVE' (sic) this newsgroup!!
Y.
Euro
Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 14/10/05 8:47, in article k_WdndII8sn...@giganews.com, Charming Cindy <lovetomee...@atmyplace.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
> > much as he hates all others who are different from him.
>
> He may have a problem with transvestites, who dress to fool poor males
> looking for something else!
Not even. I do however consider that arriving at 73 years old to
eventually find out that one would have liked to be named Cindy is a
quite pathetic admission of the failure of a complete life.
I wonder how Crazy Cindy would react if she found out her wife Nadia
Noles posted as "Furry Robert" on a usenet group...
Euro
Planet Visitor II
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> On 14/10/05 8:47, in article k_WdndII8sn...@giganews.com, Charming Cindy <lovetomee...@atmyplace.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
>> > much as he hates all others who are different from him.
>>
>> He may have a problem with transvestites, who dress to fool poor males
>> looking for something else!
>
> Not even. I do however consider that arriving at 73 years old to
> eventually find out that one would have liked to be named Cindy is a
> quite pathetic admission of the failure of a complete life.
>
> I wonder how Crazy Cindy would react if she found out her wife Nadia
> Noles posted as "Furry Robert" on a usenet group...
>
Hey, Adolf... did you reminded your mother (Usnet handle --
ride_me_fast_and_hard) about those false teeth of hers. My weenie
is still sore from the last time. Are those little white pustules that
started appearing right after her last workout on me anything that
should concern me?
Planet Visitor II
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
"isn't it strange how the most perverse fear homosexuals?" -- PV II
> Euro
>
Planet Visitor II
> On 14/10/05 8:47, in article k_WdndII8sn...@giganews.com, "Planet
> Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
>> much as he hates all others who are different from him.
>
> He may have a problem with transvestites, who dress to fool poor males
> looking for something else!
>
I always suspected you were from the fanatic Christian extreme right.
Remember that the Nazi doctrine insisted that gays should be exterminated
along with the Jews. Do I sense a connection to Nazi doctrine in your
view? Do you roam the streets of Paris at night, with Adolf Lucas, and a
baseball bat, stalking gays?
> By the way, what shade of lipstick do you use Cindy?
Have you told Donna about your interest in having "same-sex-sex" with me, big-boy?
Always remember that hate for gays, is not about loathing, but about self-loathing.
Do you have something to hide?
But you're not my type, Earl, although it looks like you'd like to get it on with me.
It seems only the non-attractive, bloated, in need of radical liposuction, beer belly
males are attracted to me. How DISGUSTING!!!
Planet Visitor II
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"A serious problem in America is the gap between academe and
the mass media, which is our culture. Professors of humanities, with
all their leftist fantasies, have little direct knowledge of American
life and no impact whatever on public policy." -- Camille Paglia -
Professor of Humanities and Media Studies at the University of the
Arts in Philadelphia.
Planet Visitor II
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See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Coughlan_Eternal_Gimmick.html
Earl Evleth a écrit :
> On 14/10/05 8:47, in article k_WdndII8sn...@giganews.com, "Planet
> Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> Oh... what the hell does euroscum care?... He hates homosexuals as
> >> much as he hates all others who are different from him.
>
> > He may have a problem with transvestites, who dress to fool poor males
> > looking for something else!
> >
> > By the way, what shade of lipstick do you use Cindy?
> ROFL!!!!
Spoken like a true homophobe. But then we already knew that you were.
> Another 'gimmick' used by James 'Forcible Sterilisation for Jews!'
> Noles comes back to bite his Jew-hating arse!!!
Poor Jew hating Philippe 'my father was one of the good Nazis' Coughlan...
Apparenlty your student, M. Adolf Lucas, agrees with you, as he has
that "murderers are humane."
After all, you are the one who insisted the Jews are legally "inhuman"
and killing them was legal, moral and just. And unlike your pitiful insults
attempting to portray me as what you and everyone here knows you are, I
can prove each of those claims --
1) Your words -- "It was legal to kill the Jews in WW II"
2) Your words -- "If it's legal, it's moral..."
3) Your words -- " "The Holocaust was 'a just execution for those
found guilty of being Jewish'."
No question about 3), since not only there but in the words of MLK, who
stated that "an unjust law is no law at all." Thus, given you insist that
the Holocaust was valid LAW.. you either argue it was a "just law," or
you are calling MLK a liar.
While the issue of eugenics is another of your pet projects, as you
are also on record of supporting "black genocide" in the issue of
aborting Black babies, given that Nationally, African-American
women make up 13 percent of the population, but have 33 to 40
percent of the abortions. To deny that this has a connection to the
argument of "Black genocide" in the U.S. is to deny the facts.
Oh... BTW -- The U.S. never had a Nazi extermination camp located
in the U.S., while the French had a Nazi extermination camp located
in France. How happy that must make you. The good ol' day...eh???
See --
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005337
Quoting -- "In August 1943, a gas chamber was constructed in
Natzweiler-Struthof in one of the buildings that had formed part
of the hotel compound. The bodies of more than 80 Jewish
prisoners gassed at Natzweiler-Struthof were sent to the
Strasbourg University Institute of Anatomy. There, anatomist
Dr. August Hirt amassed a large collection of Jewish skeletons
in order to establish Jewish "racial inferiority" by means of
anthropological study."
As long as you continue to argue anything about the Nazis, the
Holocaust or the Jews, you can be sure I will remind you of your
words in the past. I had hoped that we could end this, but I am
becoming more and more pessimistic that you will abandon your
support for Nazi doctrine.
Planet Visitor II
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"Even Auschwitz wouldn't execute a 72-year-old man" -- Nazi Coughlan
Apparently you taught your student, M. Adolf Lucas, quite well. As he
insisted that UNESCO does not even recognize Auschwitz as a
Nazi extermination camp.
Y.
Euro
> "Euro" <eur...@excite.com> wrote in message news:1129283504.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Not even. I do however consider that arriving at 73 years old to
> > eventually find out that one would have liked to be named Cindy is a
> > quite pathetic admission of the failure of a complete life.
> >
> > I wonder how Crazy Cindy would react if she found out her wife Nadia
> > Noles posted as "Furry Robert" on a usenet group...
> >
> Hey, Adolf...
Oh my... Cindy is angry and here she goes enraged. Maybe Cindy would
prefer to be called her real name: dorky James. And dorky applies in
all the senses of the word.
Euro
Planet Visitor II
camps were kept clean and sanitary, and all the "detainees" were treated
with proper medical care, well-fed, and not required to work. How they were
permitted religious services, and provided various crafts, games, books,
music, and comedy entertainment to keep them happy and content
during their stay in those camps. While the guards were severely punished
for any infraction which caused a "detainee" to suffer even a hangnail. see --
http://tinyurl.com/bxf4o
Short "video" (sic) clip of euroscum sitting at his computer responding to my
comment -- See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/euroscum.gif
Planet Visitor II
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"His death with double vengeance to restore.
This mov'd the murderer's hate; and soon ensued
Th' effects of malice from a man so proud. " -- Virgil
> Euro
>
Earl Evleth
Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey, Adolf... tell us again how your concentration camps and extermination
> camps were kept clean and sanitary, and all the "detainees" were treated
> with proper medical care, well-fed, and not required to work. How they were
> permitted religious services, and provided various crafts, games, books,
> music, and comedy entertainment to keep them happy and content
> during their stay in those camps.
??
????
The posting subject was "Frist Accumulated Stock outside Trusts"
Any comments??
Darren
"Planet Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Euro" M. Adolf Lucas <eur...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> > Charming Cindy <lovetomee...@atmyplace.net> wrote:
> >> "Euro" <eur...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1129283504.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> > Not even. I do however consider that arriving at 73 years old to
> >> > eventually find out that one would have liked to be named Cindy is a
> >> > quite pathetic admission of the failure of a complete life.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder how Crazy Cindy would react if she found out her wife Nadia
> >> > Noles posted as "Furry Robert" on a usenet group...
> >> >
> >> Hey, Adolf...
> >
> > Oh my... Cindy is angry and here she goes enraged. Maybe Cindy would
> > prefer to be called her real name: dorky James. And dorky applies in
> > all the senses of the word.
> >
> Hey, Adolf... tell us again how your concentration camps and extermination
> camps were kept clean and sanitary, and all the "detainees" were treated
> with proper medical care, well-fed, and not required to work. How they
were
> permitted religious services, and provided various crafts, games, books,
> music, and comedy entertainment to keep them happy and content
> during their stay in those camps. While the guards were severely punished
> for any infraction which caused a "detainee" to suffer even a hangnail.
see --
> http://tinyurl.com/bxf4o
Fuck me. That's not an invitation old son. Are you still harping on about
world war two?
Damn you're a fruitcake
-
Daz
Planet Visitor II
Who made you the moderator of AADP? Is it your argument that
Democrats are squeaky clean which it comes to personal gains
through insider information? Unlike you, I do not indulge in petty
character assassination for personal political purposes. You should
instead take your comments to --
alt.we-hate-those-from-different-political-parties
But before you go accusing American politicians from either party,
perhaps you should visit --
http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2005/cpi2005.sources.en.html
This is a well publicized list from "Transparency International,"
the independent coalition against corruption in nation governments.
Notice that the U.S. is ranked 17th, and France is ranked 18th,
with the least corruption being the better number of 159 nations
ranked in nation corruption. Iceland is the best... 1st. Australia
(elected by fascists according to Craig) is ranked 9th, and
the U.K. is 11th. And Germany is one number ahead of the
U.S., ranked at 16th. So look inside your own government before
casting stones.
Planet Visitor II
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"How banal, yet irrefutable, is the assertion that [a person] is a mixture
of the 'angelic' and the 'demonic.' ... A true politician... can be neither...
'an angel' nor 'a demon... .'" -- Milovan Djilas
You remember him... I went to great lengths to inform you of who he
was. So I expect you to remember, as his name will appear on my
final exam I administer to you. And you will need to remember the
name to get anything close to a passing grade from me.
Euro
"Darren" <d...@dev.nul> wrote in message
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> Fuck me. That's not an invitation old son. Are you still harping on about
> world war two?
> Damn you're a fruitcake
>
> -
> Daz
Yes, he is.
Euro
Planet Visitor II
You'd really like to avoid your pro-Nazi and anti-American raving... wouldn't
you, euroscum. Now where's that apology for insisting that Treblinka and
Guantanamo are no different? See --
http://tinyurl.com/bxf4o
Of course, you'll always have your "European abolitionist" block of voters
who will stand by your arrangement of Treblinka and all the other Nazi
extermination camps, as no different than Guantanamo. That's not
much consolation considering your basic ignorance and sadistic
nature. But it's all you got.
Planet Visitor II
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"9. Cleanse your heart of malice and cherish no hatred, not even
against your enemies; but embrace all living beings with
kindness. 10. Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either to scepticism or to errors." -- Buddha -
His life and teachings
Damn... could you use some help from Buddha. End your
hatred of me and the U.S. End your sadistic nature. And
free your mind of ignorance, and learn the truth.
> Euro
>
>
Planet Visitor II
>
No... I'm not harping on about WW II. I am harping on a poster here today
who has harped on Guantanamo, which is an issue of today, with him
insisting that it is no different than the Nazi death camps of WW II. That
you refuse to see this, is part of your own silence about a poster who
would USE six million murdered Jews to advance HIS agenda of TODAY,
that Guantanamo is no different than the Nazi death camps. See --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/f45f2addaeb9b112
That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death camps
in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is no
different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for that
sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. You may not be in
support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different than
Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would attempt
to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings with
detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM to
rave about that comparison?
An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay, Darren...
I think I already know the answer.
Planet Visitor II
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"His death with double vengeance to restore.
This mov'd the murderer's hate; and soon ensued
Th' effects of malice from a man so proud. " -- Virgil
> -
> Daz
Darren
Blah blah blah, shut up about the fucking holocaust you boring old fart.
>
> That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death camps
> in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is no
> different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for that
> sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. You may not be in
> support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different than
> Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would attempt
> to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings with
> detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
> want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM to
> rave about that comparison?
I'm defending nowt old son, I take no sides on you screwy argument.
>
> An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
> HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay, Darren...
> I think I already know the answer.
Then why ask?
-
Daz
Planet Visitor II
>
> "Planet Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:KvWdnS_Cyuoss8Xe...@giganews.com...
>> "Darren" <d...@dev.nul> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Planet Visitor II" <nappy...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:NqydnR6Fe8s...@giganews.com...
>> >> "Euro" M. Adolf Lucas <eur...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1129432625.4...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Charming Cindy <lovetomee...@atmyplace.net> wrote:
>> >> >> "Euro" <eur...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1129283504.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>> >
>> > Fuck me. That's not an invitation old son. Are you still harping on about
>> > world war two?
>> > Damn you're a fruitcake
>> >
>>
>> No... I'm not harping on about WW II. I am harping on a poster here today
>> who has harped on Guantanamo, which is an issue of today, with him
>> insisting that it is no different than the Nazi death camps of WW II. That
>> you refuse to see this, is part of your own silence about a poster who
>> would USE six million murdered Jews to advance HIS agenda of TODAY,
>> that Guantanamo is no different than the Nazi death camps. See --
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/f45f2addaeb9b112
>
> Blah blah blah, shut up about the fucking holocaust you boring old fart.
But I didn't start it. If you attempted to pay attention.
>> That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death camps
>> in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is no
>> different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for that
>> sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. You may not be in
>> support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different than
>> Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would attempt
>> to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings with
>> detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
>> want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM to
>> rave about that comparison?
>
> I'm defending nowt old son, I take no sides on you screwy argument.
Oh, Bullshit. When have I seen you do anything but suck up to euroscum?
Trust me, he feels the same as you about gays. He HATES THEM...
DESPISES THEM... They make him sick to his stomach. You see -- he's
as big a bigot as you when it comes to gays. He will say anything to
gain your support for his insult to six million victims of the Holocaust.
So I suppose that's why you support him in defending Treblinka. After
all... the Nazis also felt that gays were "perverts," and exterminated
them right along with the Jews. That should make you warm and fuzzy
all over.
>> An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
>> HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay, Darren...
>> I think I already know the answer.
>
> Then why ask?
>
I like to ask questions. Even when I know the answer, I need to be sure
you know yourself. It's the Socratic instinct in me. Since you've admitted
that you have no idea what is your psychological motivation for hating gays,
other than you insist they are "perverts," which implies a connection
to also being pedophiles in your mind.
Planet Visitor II
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
"One should no more deplore homosexuality than left-handedness." --
Towards a Quaker View of Sex, 1964
> -
> Daz
Darren
It doesn't matte who started it, leave it the fuck alone.
>
> >> That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death
camps
> >> in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is no
> >> different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for
that
> >> sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust.
>>>You may not be in
> >> support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different than
> >> Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would attempt
> >> to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings with
> >> detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
> >> want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM to
> >> rave about that comparison?
> >
> > I'm defending nowt old son, I take no sides on you screwy argument.
>
> Oh, Bullshit. When have I seen you do anything but suck up to euroscum?
Oh yeah, where?
> Trust me, he feels the same as you about gays. He HATES THEM...
> DESPISES THEM... They make him sick to his stomach.
If *YOU* attempted to pay attention you would know i sais nothing about
hating or despising them but only dislike for them.
>You see -- he's
> as big a bigot as you when it comes to gays. He will say anything to
> gain your support for his insult to six million victims of the Holocaust.
> So I suppose that's why you support him in defending Treblinka. After
> all... the Nazis also felt that gays were "perverts," and exterminated
> them right along with the Jews. That should make you warm and fuzzy
> all over.
You held out four paragraphs before mentioning the war. How did you manage?
>
> >> An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
> >> HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay, Darren...
> >> I think I already know the answer.
> >
> > Then why ask?
> >
> I like to ask questions. Even when I know the answer, I need to be sure
> you know yourself. It's the Socratic instinct in me. Since you've
admitted
> that you have no idea what is your psychological motivation for hating
gays,
> other than you insist they are "perverts," which implies a connection
> to also being pedophiles in your mind.
Well if you don't want the answer then don't ask the question,. mate!
Planet Visitor II
Why? Is it because the one who did start it agrees with your gay-bashing
views that homosexuals are "perverts"? You should know that he would
support you if you claiming you were God... if he thought he could get you
to support him in his Nazi doctrine that held that Treblinka was no different
than Guantanamo. And in any case, who made you the moderator of
AADP, considering that you refuse to take your hate to alt.we-hate-gays?
>> >> That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death camps
>> >> in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is no
>> >> different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for that
>> >> sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. You may not be in
>> >> support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different than
>> >> Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would attempt
>> >> to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings with
>> >> detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
>> >> want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM to
>> >> rave about that comparison?
>> >
>> > I'm defending nowt old son, I take no sides on you screwy argument.
>>
>> Oh, Bullshit. When have I seen you do anything but suck up to euroscum?
>
> Oh yeah, where?
>
That would be your comment right here... Where you have taken his side
in this, never even mentioning to him that he should not support the Nazi
Holocaust as he has done.
>> Trust me, he feels the same as you about gays. He HATES THEM...
>> DESPISES THEM... They make him sick to his stomach.
>
> If *YOU* attempted to pay attention you would know i sais nothing about
> hating or despising them but only dislike for them.
LOL... sure, Darren... because they're "perverts," right?? Please do not
give me that bullshit. At least be honest in your hate, rather than try to
disguise it as something else.
>>You see -- he's
>> as big a bigot as you when it comes to gays. He will say anything to
>> gain your support for his insult to six million victims of the Holocaust.
>> So I suppose that's why you support him in defending Treblinka. After
>> all... the Nazis also felt that gays were "perverts," and exterminated
>> them right along with the Jews. That should make you warm and fuzzy
>> all over.
> You held out four paragraphs before mentioning the war. How did you manage?
I wasn't aware I was even trying. But you seem to key on it, insisting it is
off-topic, while insisting that your hate for Homosexuals is on-topic here.
But I do agree that hate from the ultra-right "Church of fanatic European
Abolitionists," is quite common in AADP. You'll notice they all agree
that gay-bashing in in vogue, and is quite acceptable, right up there
with anti-Semitism, and Holocaust denial in Europe.
>> >> An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
>> >> HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay, Darren...
>> >> I think I already know the answer.
>> >
>> > Then why ask?
>> >
>> I like to ask questions. Even when I know the answer, I need to be sure
>> you know yourself. It's the Socratic instinct in me. Since you've admitted
>> that you have no idea what is your psychological motivation for hating gays,
>> other than you insist they are "perverts," which implies a connection
>> to also being pedophiles in your mind.
>
> Well if you don't want the answer then don't ask the question,. mate!
I never said I didn't WANT the answer... I only suggest that I never expected
you to be honest enough to provide it. Which was verified as an accurate
appraisal.
Now, do go suck up to euroscum, as he's waiting to tell you how much he
hates homosexuals as much as you do.
Darren
> Is it because the one who did start it agrees with your gay-bashing
> views that homosexuals are "perverts"?
How is that gay bashing then?
>You should know that he would
> support you if you claiming you were God...
Which one?
>if he thought he could get you
> to support him in his Nazi doctrine that held that Treblinka was no
different
> than Guantanamo. And in any case, who made you the moderator of
> AADP, considering that you refuse to take your hate to alt.we-hate-gays?
What hate is that then?
>
> >> >> That is HIS post. And HE was the first to try to use the Nazi death
camps
> >> >> in his agenda against the U.S. Implying that the U.S. of TODAY, is
no
> >> >> different than the Nazis of WW II. And he has never apologized for
that
> >> >> sickening insult to the victims of the Nazi Holocaust. You may not
be in
> >> >> support of such claims that the Nazi death camps were no different
than
> >> >> Guantanamo, but you certainly are an enabler of those who would
attempt
> >> >> to compare the atrocity of exterminating six million human beings
with
> >> >> detaining 500-600 combat insurgents in Guantanamo. Why would you
> >> >> want to defend his argument by telling ME to shut up, enabling HIM
to
> >> >> rave about that comparison?
> >> >
> >> > I'm defending nowt old son, I take no sides on you screwy argument.
> >>
> >> Oh, Bullshit. When have I seen you do anything but suck up to
euroscum?
> >
> > Oh yeah, where?
> >
> That would be your comment right here...
Where?
>Where you have taken his side
> in this,
Where did I do that then?
>never even mentioning to him that he should not support the Nazi
> Holocaust as he has done.
How is that taking his side?
>
> >> Trust me, he feels the same as you about gays. He HATES THEM...
> >> DESPISES THEM... They make him sick to his stomach.
> >
> > If *YOU* attempted to pay attention you would know i sais nothing about
> > hating or despising them but only dislike for them.
>
> LOL... sure, Darren... because they're "perverts," right??
Yeah, right.
>Please do not
> give me that bullshit.
Who says it's bullshit?
>At least be honest in your hate, rather than try to
> disguise it as something else.
Don't twist my words.
>
> >>You see -- he's
> >> as big a bigot as you when it comes to gays. He will say anything to
> >> gain your support for his insult to six million victims of the
Holocaust.
> >> So I suppose that's why you support him in defending Treblinka. After
> >> all... the Nazis also felt that gays were "perverts," and exterminated
> >> them right along with the Jews. That should make you warm and fuzzy
> >> all over.
> > You held out four paragraphs before mentioning the war. How did you
manage?
>
> I wasn't aware I was even trying.
You're certainly that.
>But you seem to key on it, insisting it is
> off-topic,
That's because it is, old son.
>while insisting that your hate for Homosexuals is on-topic here.
What hate is that then?
> But I do agree that hate from the ultra-right "Church of fanatic European
> Abolitionists," is quite common in AADP.
I'm not an aboloshonist.
>You'll notice they all agree
> that gay-bashing in in vogue, and is quite acceptable, right up there
> with anti-Semitism, and Holocaust denial in Europe.
I guess you don't visit Europe much these days then.
>
> >> >> An anxious American wants to know why YOU would not condemn
> >> >> HIS comment, rather than telling me to shut up? That's okay,
Darren...
> >> >> I think I already know the answer.
> >> >
> >> > Then why ask?
> >> >
> >> I like to ask questions. Even when I know the answer, I need to be
sure
> >> you know yourself. It's the Socratic instinct in me. Since you've
admitted
> >> that you have no idea what is your psychological motivation for hating
gays,
> >> other than you insist they are "perverts," which implies a connection
> >> to also being pedophiles in your mind.
> >
> > Well if you don't want the answer then don't ask the question,. mate!
>
> I never said I didn't WANT the answer...
Then don't ask the question.
>I only suggest that I never expected
> you to be honest enough to provide it. Which was verified as an accurate
> appraisal.
LOL no proof offered, your claim fails.
>
> Now, do go suck up to euroscum, as he's waiting to tell you how much he
> hates homosexuals as much as you do.
Where did I say that I "hate" homosexuals?
-
Daz