'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting
Earl Evleth
'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting, Officials Said
Suspected Massacre Weapon Purchased Legally At 'Guns Galore' Shop in Texas
(for gun nuts galore)
By MATTHEW COLE, PIERRE THOMAS, JASON RYAN, and RICHARD ESPOSITO
Nov. 6, 2009 �
The gun thought to be used in the Fort Hood massacre packs so much
firepower, it's known as 'the Cop Killer,' federal law enforcement officials
said.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly packed a FN Herstal Five-seveN tactical
pistol, which according to federal law enforcement officials, was legally
purchased from the "Guns Galore" shop in Killeen, Texas in Aug. 2009. The
store's manager, David Cheadle, said that particular firearm can hold 20
rounds in a standard clip and take a ten round clip extension. Cheadle said
with one clip and one round in the chamber, one could fire 31 rounds before
reloading.
Hasan may have used an expanded clip in the shooting.
On FN Herstal's webpage, the benefits of the Five-seveN pistol note that it
can "defeat the enemy in all close combat situations in urban areas, jungle
conditions, night missions and any self defense action."
The second gun he had with him was a .357 S&W Magnum revolver, federal law
enforcement officials tell ABC News. Ballistics are still being run to
determine if he used the revolver in the shooting.
Federal agents, military investigators and Texas Rangers had been
investigating whether the gun allegedly used by Hasan was purchased at "Guns
Galare," Cheadle told ABC News.
"They called last night and asked about a specific name and gun purchase,
but the name was not Hasan," said Cheadle.
Three investigators, including one wearing a Texas Rangers badge, were seen
entering the store just before noon Friday. The manager said they were
interviewing all of the store employees.
They declined to comment as they left Guns Galore in a car with Department
of Defense markings.
The manager said he recognized a photo shown to him of Major Nidal Malik
Hasan, identified by authorities as the suspect shooter at Fort Hood. But he
said Hasan would have had to show identification if he had bought the gun in
his name.
Cheadle said the agents were interested in a FN pistol that uses 5.7 caliber
ammunition.
Mike
I guess you wouldn't want to point out the fact that FN (Fabrique
Nationale) is a BELGIAN gun company.
Mike
>
> Suspected Massacre Weapon Purchased Legally At 'Guns Galore' Shop in Texas
> (for gun nuts galore)
>
> By MATTHEW COLE, PIERRE THOMAS, JASON RYAN, and RICHARD ESPOSITO
>
> Nov. 6, 2009 ‹
>
> The gun thought to be used in the Fort Hood massacre packs so much
> firepower, it's known as 'the Cop Killer,' federal law enforcement officials
> said.
see my comments below.
Another thing, it's only a COP KILLER (what a stupid lable BTW..)
because of the specific ammo used, not necessarilly the gun in and of
itself. They make civilian rounds for that gun, but they also make
armor piercing rounds as well. That being said I'm not certain what
type of ammo he was using.
Earl Evleth
616a672f-3075-4833...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess you wouldn't want to point out the fact that FN (Fabrique
> Nationale) is a BELGIAN gun company.
But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
Earl Evleth
30c0c958-0c67-4b2e...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Another thing, it's only a COP KILLER (what a stupid lable BTW..)
> because of the specific ammo used, not necessarilly the gun in and of
> itself. They make civilian rounds for that gun, but they also make
> armor piercing rounds as well. That being said I'm not certain what
> type of ammo he was using
As for the name, police associations complained about it. Therefore
calling it a COP Killer is justified by them as potential targets.
The US has long been in a domestic arms race between the cops
an the robbers.
*****
Fort Hood Shooter Used 'Cop Killer' Armor-Piercing Handgun
By The Brady Campaign ,
WASHINGTON --- Four and a half years ago, three police organizations in the
United States issued advisories to warn officers that a new handgun
introduced into the U.S. market by a Belgium manufacturer of military
firearms represented a unique threat to the safety of police officers.
It was a handgun that was designed to fire bullets through body armor. A
U.S. Senator and a U.S. Congressman urged a legal ban on civilian possession
of the firearm, which began being referred to as the �cop killer gun.�
The gun, manufactured by FN Herstal of Belgium, is lightweight and easily
concealable, and was designed as a military sidearm to complement military
rifles made by the same company. One law enforcement expert referred to the
Five-Seven as �an assault rifle that fits in your pocket.� While no police
officer has reportedly been killed by a suspect armed with a Five-Seven, it
may now have taken the lives of U.S. soldiers.
Today, several news sources are reporting that it was the Five-Seven that
Nidal M. Hasan used in his shooting attack at Fort Hood in Texas Thursday.
In January 2005, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP),
International Brotherhood of Police Officers (IBPO) and the National
Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives (NOBLE), released their
alert to the police community at a press conference, joined by U.S. Senator
Charles Schumer and Congressman Elliott Engel of New York.
When first launched for civilian sales, company officials wrote on the
company website that �enemy personnel, even wearing body armor can be
effectively engaged up to 200 meters. Kevlar� helmets and vests as well as
the CRISAT protection will be penetrated.� That language has since been
removed by FN Herstal.
In early 2005, Brady Campaign staff purchased the weapon at a Virginia gun
dealer and test-fired it. The bullets successfully penetrated a police
Kevlar vest. As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization
leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, with its
dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, works to enact and enforce
sensible gun laws, regulations and public policies.
�
Jigsaw1695
A ggod gun used by a bad person.
Jigsaw
Earl Evleth
e1472d25-59e1-4d44...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> A ggod gun used by a bad person.
I thought you'd like the name of the gun
Happy99
"Mike" <foeha...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:616a672f-3075-4833...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
John Rennie
Mike
And only with certain types of ammo, which THEY DONT SELL to non-
military, LEO..
>
> In early 2005, Brady Campaign staff purchased the weapon at a Virginia gun
> dealer and test-fired it. The bullets successfully penetrated a police
> Kevlar vest. As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization
> leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, with its
> dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, works to enact and enforce
> sensible gun laws, regulations and public policies.
>
Million Loser March
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I guess you wouldn't want to point out the fact that FN (Fabrique
> > Nationale) is a BELGIAN gun company.
>
> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
Not really....;>)))
Earl Evleth
df91b108-139f-4e28...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And only with certain types of ammo, which THEY DONT SELL to non-
> military, LEO..
He is military.
Earl Evleth
9fe76580-bd65-4d9e...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>
> Not really....;>)))
True, it is a nickname for what it does.
hls
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote in message news:cr2dnUUXbMYK-
>> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>>
>>
> 'Cap Killer'? Really?
No, and not even "Cop Killer". No gun is sold under that name. The
gun does not pierce body armor...the bullet does.
These cartridges have been referred to as "cop killers" because
they have the ability to penetrate body armor. These were made to fit
more than one calibre firearm, and are normally available only to
police and military.
There is no corroboration that this madman used armor piercing bullets,
but it wouldnt have made any difference.. Few or none on the base would
have been wearing Kevlar vests.
I am going to assume until I learn differently that this was the act of one
man, probably deranged, rather than an Islamic attack on the people of
America.
hls
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:C71B1198.187435%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
Well, the name of the gun was NOT "Cop Killer".
I think it is irresponsible to make a situation like this - already
bad enough - worse by resorting to this sort of tactic. Do you
want people to be more paranoid than ever, to ignite a Baptist
jihad against anyone with an Arabic name?
He also had, reportedly, a .357 S&W Magnum, which can fire a
standard .38 calibre round or the .357 Magnum round. There was
no indication that he had obtained special armor piercing cartridges
for this weapon either, although several sorts of special tactical
rounds for this weapon were made for police and military.
The .357 will fire 6 cartridges before reloading. Reloading for this weapon
can be speeded up by the use of a "clip" or speed loader (which police often
used).
John Rennie
Let's hope yours is not a minority view
Earl Evleth
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> I thought you'd like the name of the gun
>
> Well, the name of the gun was NOT "Cop Killer".
>
> I think it is irresponsible to make a situation like this - already
> bad enough - worse by resorting to this sort of tactic.
A lot of headlines used the term "Cop Killer" for the gun
including a UK paper http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylq4vzf
saving <using a gun nicknamed the "cop killer.">
The key point, however, is that he was able to get off
around 100 rounds, having reloaded. So the real issue
is being able to fire this much and kill and wound
so many in a sort time. The enormous increase
in fire power occurred when hand weapons switched
in their majority from being revolvers to semi-automatics
and some with the possibility of having extended magazines
holding more than 7 to 9 bullets. That revolution
also occurred with an increase in caliber from the
common .22 semi (I had one, a Ruger) to much larger
calibers. The huge surge in homicides in the US which
reached a peak in 1992 rode on this arms race to death.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> I am going to assume until I learn differently that this was the act of one
>> man, probably deranged, rather than an Islamic attack on the people of
>> America.
>
>
> Let's hope yours is not a minority view
It probably won't be. What the attack is not, is a conspire terrorist
attack by a small group. But religion played a role in the attack
and that will be grabbed and ran with.
thang ornithorhynchus
Nice.
thang
Earl Evleth
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> The .357 will fire 6 cartridges before reloading. Reloading for this weapon
> can be speeded up by the use of a "clip" or speed loader (which police often
> used).
Lets return to the FN Five-Seven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven
The Five-Seven (marketed as "Five-seveN"[7]) is a semi-automatic pistol in
5.7x28mm manufactured by FN Herstal.[11] The weapon's name refers to its
5.7�mm bullet diameter.
The 5.7x28mm cartridge was originally created by FN in the early 1990s for
use in the FN P90 personal defense weapon.[3][4][5] The Five-Seven pistol
was subsequently created by FN in the late 1990s as a side arm using the
same cartridge.[3][4]
The weapon's characteristics have made it popular in law enforcement SWAT
roles[12], where criminals wearing body armor may be encountered.
***
Now somebody tried to down play the 5.7 as a 0.22 and only suitable for
plinking.
The FN Five-Seven has up to a 30 bullet magazine carrying bullets more
powerful than the standard long rife 0.22
Next the idea was trying to be sold that only special ammunition
will penetrate body armour and that this is not available in the
US. SS190 ammunition is restricted but the question remains
of a black market.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=144953907
Has a nice photo and one can see immediately they don't resemble
22 longs
I first ran into .22 fitted to a larger cartridge in 1945, when
a friend of my father's had adapted 22 to a 30 caliber sized
cartridge. He had developed a weapon to shot them.
Sort of a mouse head of a bullet with the body of an elephant.
by the way there is a web site for this weapon
http://www.fivesevenforum.com/
Enjoy
Jigsaw1695
> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:C71B1198.187435%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>
> > On 7/11/09 11:53, in article
> > "Jigsaw1695" <Jigsaw1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> A ggod gun used by a bad person.
>
> > I thought you'd like the name of the gun
>
> Well, the name of the gun was NOT "Cop Killer".
>
> I think it is irresponsible to make a situation like this - already
> bad enough - worse by resorting to this sort of tactic. �Do you
> want people to be more paranoid than ever, to ignite a Baptist
> jihad against anyone with an Arabic name?
>
> He also had, reportedly, a .357 S&W Magnum, which can fire a
> standard .38 calibre round or the .357 Magnum round. �There was
> �no indication that he had obtained special armor piercing cartridges
> �for this weapon either, although several sorts of special tactical
> rounds for this weapon were made for police and military.
>
> The .357 will fire 6 cartridges before reloading. �Reloading for this weapon
> can be speeded up by the use of a "clip" or speed loader (which police often
> used).
I font think there is a law enforcement agency in the country that
carries revolvers anymore. Most departments buy a Glock for their
officers, either 9mm or .40 caliber as a primary weapon. I lot of
officers carry a backup. The 2 most popular are the S&W Detective
Special ( .38 caliber revolver, with a 2 in inch barrell or a Walther
PPK .380.) The only problem with the Walther is that the safety has to
be switched up while most other semi-automatics require the safety to
be switched down.. It requires a lot of practice to get muscel memory
to click in.
Jigsaw
Jigsaw1695
> On 7/11/09 14:19, in article 0KidnfZTK91C7mjXnZ2dnUVZ_vudn...@giganews.com,
Actually, you seem to have forgotton about the .45 semi auto.
Jigsaw
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
They don't sell the gun under the name "Cap Killer" or "Cop
Killer", Earl. The targets in this shooting were not wearing body
armour, other than perhaps the police. The woman officer was hit
three times. She didn't die:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BQBRSO0&show_article=1
#begin quote
Munley was hit at least three times in the exchange�twice through
the left leg and once in her right wrist. Hasan was hit four times.
#end quote
--
What I hate about flip flops is the flip and the flop.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 7/11/09 10:38, in article
> 30c0c958-0c67-4b2e...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
> <foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Another thing, it's only a COP KILLER (what a stupid lable BTW..)
> > because of the specific ammo used, not necessarilly the gun in and of
> > itself. They make civilian rounds for that gun, but they also make
> > armor piercing rounds as well. That being said I'm not certain what
> > type of ammo he was using
>
> As for the name, police associations complained about it. Therefore
> calling it a COP Killer is justified by them as potential targets.
>
Because police associations get to define what things are?
> The US has long been in a domestic arms race between the cops
> an the robbers.
>
It's a good idea not to proliferate more and more capable weapons.
But this isn't that.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
I don't think that you just show a military ID and you can buy a
Stinger missile.
Earl Evleth
6386b636-3e0a-4dea...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> Actually, you seem to have forgotton about the .45 semi auto.
a .22 at the speed of light is more dangerous
That caliber is favored by Mafia hit men.
Earl Evleth
'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>>
> They don't sell the gun under the name "Cap Killer" or "Cop
> Killer", Earl.
It is certainly bought by street thugs for that reason;
Earl Evleth
> I don't think that you just show a military ID and you can buy a
> Stinger missile.
There is a prime example of an American lack of the
sense of proportion.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The point, Earl, is that items that are restricted sale to military
only are not available to people in the military by just showing a
military ID. As we've seen, the shooter had no reason to get
restricted ammo because he was going after a soft target. That's
what terrorism is all about.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
It's bought by street thugs? How much does this weapon cost? After
you murder someone, you have to get rid of the weapon. If this is
expensive, and it is, I suspect it's not a bus-ta-cap type rod.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
That because reality trumps fantasy. There is actually nothing to
be said about it other than Islam "explains it." Everything else is
only making excuses for Islam. Which the left loves to do.
Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
It wasn't an "Islamic attack." More precisely, it was an attack by a
man because of his _Islamic beliefs_.
Sadly, this happens far too often.
Planet Visitor II
>thang
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 7/11/09 11:53, in article
>e1472d25-59e1-4d44...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
>"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> A ggod gun used by a bad person.
>
>
>I thought you'd like the name of the gun
So you feel it was not the person but the gun???? Would you feel
better if he was in charge of the Ft Hood Ordnance Disposal Combat
Support Company, and had used C4?? The point is he had INTENT to
murder. Following through on his intent resulted in murder... which
makes HIM a murderer, and not his weapon.
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
> As we've seen, the shooter had no reason to get
> restricted ammo because he was going after a soft target.
Reason as we use it was not involved in this case.
The basic question is why a weapon, which has the possibility
of having a 30 shot magazine is allowed to be sold to
the ordinary citizen?
The answer is that the nuttier among us what any weapon
they can get hold of, including 50 caliber machine guns.
These tools of death are symbols of power of life and
death over others. As a Walter Mitty type you should
understand that.
Earl Evleth
> It's bought by street thugs? How much does this weapon cost?
About $1000. But they are stolen too
***
Bainbridge Georgia News (BainbridgeGA.com)
Local News
"Cop Killer" Gun Bust
By
Mar 1, 2007, 03:18
Good ol' fashion alert Public Safety police work took another bad guy off
the street and just as importantly a dangerous stolen handgun Wednesday
night.
33 second video of Sgt David Cutchen bringing in Truman Butler
then
Officer Aaron Brown brings in Clarence Tatum.
About 1:30 am, Sgt David Cutchen saw a Jeep run a stop sign at Independent
and Cemetery Streets and made a stop.� Seeing the back seat passenger moving
around suspiciously, he called for backup.� Captain Pat Thomas and Officer
Aaron Brown responded.
The jeep tag was run and came back as suspended registration, no insurance
and improper tag.� The driver, 33 year old Clarence Edward Tatum, Jr was
arrested.
Recovered Handgun
In a search of the vehicle they discovered a 5.7 caliber Herstal
semi-automatic handgun.� The back seat passenger, Truman Butler, had tried
to hide the gun under his seat.� The handgun was found to be a pistol stolen
in the Southern Trading and Pawn burglary in August of 2006.
The gun had a 20 round clip containing bullets that are sometimes called
"cop killer" because of their ability to pierce bullet proof vests.
30 year old Truman Vincent Butler IV of Bainbridge was arrested for
receiving stolen property and possession of a handgun by a convicted felon.�
He is also wanted in Michigan for possession of a handgun by a convicted
felon.
> After you murder someone, you have to get rid of the weapon.
You have seen too many movies again.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
{ snip irrelevant nonsense }
Nazi Spastic Noles, didn't you say you were leaving..?
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones
who attacked us in America on September the 11th'
(George W. Bush, 12 July 2007)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>
> > Not really....;>)))
>
> True, it is a nickname for what it does.
No one goes around calling it a 'Cop Killer'. Except for your
ocassional doofus on the internet.
Mike
> On 7/11/09 14:19, in article 0KidnfZTK91C7mjXnZ2dnUVZ_vudn...@giganews.com,
>
> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> > I thought you'd like the name of the gun
>
> > Well, the name of the gun was NOT "Cop Killer".
>
> > I think it is irresponsible to make a situation like this - already
> > bad enough - worse by resorting to this sort of tactic.
>
> A lot of headlines used the term "Cop Killer" for the gun
>
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylq4vzf
> saving <using a gun nicknamed the "cop killer.">
>
> The key point, however, is that he was able to get off
> around 100 rounds, having reloaded. So the real issue
> is being able to fire this much and kill and wound
> so many in a sort time. The enormous increase
> in fire power occurred when hand weapons switched
> in their majority from being revolvers to semi-automatics
> and some with the possibility of having extended magazines
> holding more than 7 to 9 bullets. That revolution
> also occurred with an increase in caliber from the
> common .22 semi (I had one, a Ruger) to much larger
> calibers. The huge surge in homicides in the US which
> reached a peak in 1992 rode on this arms race to death.
And there was an outbreak of Flat Feet in France starting sometime in
the mid-70's.
Mitchell Holman
news:q6ncf5pri3l3n0q6o...@4ax.com:
Just like Eric Rudolph made his attacks because
of his Christian beliefs.
The problem is not Islam, but religion.
"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate
is good. Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical
duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We
don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-- Randall Terry, devout Christian and pro-life founder of
Operation Rescue
John Rennie
All the left, Jim? Are you including the agnostic
and the atheist left? Don't keep on making these
sweeping nonsensical statements - they ruin the very
few effective arguments you deploy.
Earl Evleth
963619c3-5b79-48d0...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No one goes around calling it a 'Cop Killer'. Except for your
> ocassional doofus on the internet.
***
Well it made it into the news services overseas--
"De F.N. 5.7 staat in de Verenigde Staten dan ook bekend als de 'cop killer
gun'."
Moorden op Fort Hood gepleegd met Belgisch wapen
07/11 In de Verenigde Staten is er commotie ontstaan rond het vuurwapen
waarmee legerpsychiater Nidal Hassan donderdag 13 militairen doodschoot op
de Texaanse legerbasis Fort Hood. Hasan pleegde de moorden met een F.N. 5.7
mm die in de Belgische wapenfabriek in Herstal gemaakt wordt.
Toen het wapen vijf jaar geleden op de Amerikaanse markt werd gebracht,
wilden politievakbonden en verscheidene politici de verkoop van de F.N.
verbieden. Op de website van F.N. Herstal stond namelijk te lezen dat de
munitie van het vuurwapen vanop een afstand van 200 meter moeiteloos
kogelvrije vesten kon doorboren. De F.N. 5.7 staat in de Verenigde Staten
dan ook bekend als de 'cop killer gun'. F.N. heeft zijn website ondertussen
al aangepast.
Het vuurwapen is het favoriete pistool van de Mexicaanse drugkartels aan het
worden. Volgens werknemers in Amerikaanse wapenwinkels kunnen soldaten
zonder strafblad zonder veel problemen aan het pistool geraken.
***
And 67,800 google hits for "cop killer gun"
Obviously the gun nuts hate the name. That alone brings joy to my heart
Mike
A doofus term fitting for a doofus liberal.
Earl Evleth
be200fa7-228a-4b95...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A doofus term fitting for a doofus liberal.
Mike, this really is too complicated for you to understand.
Once a gun is designated a "cop killer", the nickname will stick
After all, Mike is not your real name, Michael is.
Donna Evleth
> From: Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Orange
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:04 +0100
> Subject: Re: 'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting
Why did you post a long message in Dutch, which I suspect nobody here reads?
Donna Evleth
>
>
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 7/11/09 22:41, in article 4AF5E98A...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > It's bought by street thugs? How much does this weapon cost?
>
> About $1000. But they are stolen too
>
I trust the ammo costs more too. That's maybe half again to twice
what a normal quality handgun costs.
> > After you murder someone, you have to get rid of the weapon.
>
> You have seen too many movies again.
>
You can't refute what I say so you attack me for knowing too much.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 7/11/09 22:33, in article 4AF5E79C...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > As we've seen, the shooter had no reason to get
> > restricted ammo because he was going after a soft target.
>
> Reason as we use it was not involved in this case.
>
There's not a lot of "reason" involved in terrorism in the first
place. But clearly they put a lot of thought into it.
> The basic question is why a weapon, which has the possibility
> of having a 30 shot magazine is allowed to be sold to
> the ordinary citizen?
>
It would only make a marginal difference. Why not just buy two with
20 round clips (or 10 round clips if you want to limit it to that)?
Clips can be changed very quickly and with a backup weapon, there
isn't really a lot of worry about when. Certainly when attacking
soft targets like this.
He was taken down by the first person, it seems, who engaged him.
That says something. She hit him with four rounds. He didn't die.
He hit her with three rounds (or more, they said in the cite "at
least") and she didn't die. It would be useful to know in what
circumstances the 13 died, how many times they were hit and where.
> The answer is that the nuttier among us what any weapon
> they can get hold of, including 50 caliber machine guns.
>
The man portability of a 50 cal comes into question, Earl. Full
auto weapons are restricted in the US. People can often own them,
but they are restricted. They are also almost never involved in
crime, at least in the US. If you look at Mexico, the government is
simply not in control of Mexico. The drug gangs are essentially
taking on the government for control of Mexico itself. That isn't a
question in the US even if there are locations where it isn't safe
for the police to routinely go.
> These tools of death are symbols of power of life and
> death over others. As a Walter Mitty type you should
> understand that.
>
We've been through this before, Earl. You call me a Walter Mitty
type when I don't go on about myself at all. You, however, do
prattle on about yourself. I conclude, therefore, that the Walter
Mitty comment is projection on your part.
Earl Evleth
>> You have seen too many movies again.
>>
> You can't refute what I say so you attack me for knowing too much.
I refute it, don't tell me what I can not refute!
A criminal will not toss out a $1000 gun. You've seen Godfather I
too often.
Earl Evleth
> she didn't die.
Luckily in the sense she had a femoral artery severed
> It would be useful to know in what
> circumstances the 13 died, how many times they were hit and where.
Not particularly interesting, just morbid curiosity on your part.
They probably were hit in a vital spot, the others less so.
That all is a matter of luck.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
1) Why commit murder with a $1000 gun?
2) The criminal has no reason to toss the gun unless it's been used
in a murder (or similar). $1000 is nothing compared to the exposure
of murder, therefore he would toss the gun, even if he'd not seen
Godfather I enough times.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 8/11/09 19:23, in article 4AF70C96...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > she didn't die.
>
> Luckily in the sense she had a femoral artery severed
>
She was hit four times.
> > It would be useful to know in what
> > circumstances the 13 died, how many times they were hit and where.
>
> Not particularly interesting, just morbid curiosity on your part.
>
Morbid curiosity? We are discussing the lethality of a specific
weapon. We have have about 50 victims to gain insight into that
weapon's lethality. We note that about a third of the total number
died. We should ask what differences exist in the ones who lived
and those who didn't.
> They probably were hit in a vital spot, the others less so.
>
To some extent, that's possible, however it should be noted that a
rifle can be far more lethal more often. At close range, a shotgun
is usually lethal.
> That all is a matter of luck.
>
Was he shooting the people when they were down? Given that they
were unarmed in the first place, it's not without reason to ask
such a question.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
>
> And 67,800 google hits for "cop killer gun"
>
> Obviously the gun nuts hate the name. That alone brings joy to my heart
>
When the flush of a new-born sun fell first on Eden's green and
gold,
Our father Adam sat under the Tree and scratched with a stick in
the mould;
And the first rude sketch that the world had seen was joy to his
mighty heart,
Till the Devil whispered behind the leaves, "It's pretty, but is it
Art?"
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:36:48 +0000
> Subject: Re: 'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting
>
>
>
Rudyard Kipling, "The Conundrum of the Workshops"
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Yes, that is the case:
"In August Rudyard's listlessness called for another series of
major and
very unpleasant medical examinations.... He later joked ... 'If
this is
what Oscar Wilde went to prison for, he ought to have got the
Victoria
Cross.'", Andrew Lycett, "Rudyard Kipling"
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > A doofus term fitting for a doofus liberal.
>
> Mike, this really is too complicated for you to understand.
> Once a gun is designated a "cop killer", the nickname will stick
It's all marketing-headline-bullshit. Kinda like calling an 'illegal
alien' a 'migrant worker' or some other dumb, incorrect term.
I guess people like you eat it up tho...;>)
Mike
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:02:57 +0800, thang ornithorhynchus
>
>
>
>
>
> <th...@spitzola.com.org.net> wrote:
> >On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:09:19 -0600, "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>
> >>>> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>
> >>> 'Cap Killer'? Really?
>
> >>No, and not even "Cop Killer". No gun is sold under that name. The
> >>gun does not pierce body armor...the bullet does.
>
> >>These cartridges have been referred to as "cop killers" because
> >>they have the ability to penetrate body armor. These were made to fit
> >>more than one calibre firearm, and are normally available only to
> >>police and military.
>
> >>There is no corroboration that this madman used armor piercing bullets,
> >>but it wouldnt have made any difference.. Few or none on the base would
> >>have been wearing Kevlar vests.
>
> >>I am going to assume until I learn differently that this was the act of one
> >>man, probably deranged, rather than an Islamic attack on the people of
> >>America.
>
> >Nice.
>
> It wasn't an "Islamic attack." More precisely, it was an attack by a
> man because of his _Islamic beliefs_.
And what is the difference?
Planet Visitor II
Rubbish. We are not examining murders in general. We are examining
the murders committed at Fort Hood on last Thursday. Please try to
stay focused and not make excuses for the core reason behind those
murders. We know that people commit murder. We know that people
commit murder for religious reasons. We also know that in the 21st
Century Islam is far and away more responsible for murder in the name
of religion than any other religion. Murders committed on 9/11. In
London. In Madrid. In Bali. The school children slaughtered in
Russia. The French Embassy in Mauritania. Muslim suicide bombers in
Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon. Rockets shot indiscriminately
toward innocent civilians in Israel. Muslim slaughters in Africa, the
Philippines. The riots in Europe over cartoons ... etc.. .etc... etc.
ad infinitum.
But that is beside the point and I only mention it to dissuade you
that Christianity in the 21st Century is a violent and murderous
religion. I'm opposed to all religion. But we are now talking about
MURDER in the name of religion at Ft Hood last Thursday. The
explanation for those murders is in one word -- ISLAM. Christianity
or any other religion or lack of a religion had NOTHING to do with
it. Make no mistake about it... and make no excuses for it.
Planet Visitor II
>
>"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate
>is good. Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical
>duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We
>don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
>-- Randall Terry, devout Christian and pro-life founder of
>Operation Rescue
>
Dr. Ismail Radwan made it clear that the classical Hamas ideology had
not changed, including its continued incorporation of extremist
Islamic beliefs into Hamas ideology and policy. He reiterated:
1. The Hour � the Islamic Resurrection and End of Time� is literally
dependent on the killing of Jews by Muslims.
2. The remaining Jews will unsuccessfully attempt to hide, as the
rocks and trees will expose them, calling out "there is a Jew behind
me, kill him!"
3. "Palestine� will be liberated through the rifle," a euphemism
meaning that Israel will be destroyed through violence.
See --
http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that Muslim
Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
These are the people you support and make excuses for, Mitchell.
Earl Evleth
> 1) Why commit murder with a $1000 gun?
The cost of the gun is secondary, its firepower primary. I would
guess that it is a excellent weapon for a drive by
>
> 2) The criminal has no reason to toss the gun unless it's been used
> in a murder (or similar). $1000 is nothing compared to the exposure
> of murder, therefore he would toss the gun, even if he'd not seen
> Godfather I enough times.
Note that criminals are not among the best and the brightest.
Those in prison have an average IQ of 90. And they are "now" people,
often act without regard of the future, the more sociopathic
them think they will never get caught.
The FN five seven is a prestige weapons and service the same
role as a large screen TV does with you, having something
bigger than those whom you are competing with.
Earl Evleth
> At close range, a shotgun is usually lethal.
More so if loaded with buck shut, less so with bird shot.
Earl Evleth
cad61d73-71e0-4c17...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> It wasn't an "Islamic attack." �More precisely, it was an attack by a
>> man because of his _Islamic beliefs_.
>
> And what is the difference?
The term "Islamic attack" makes it sound like a general attack, that
others of the same type are coming along. The motives of the
attack are still being worked out, did he have rational ones or is
his being Moslem and added feature.
Almost all mass murders are committed by males. So one can imagine
a feminist group playing up the fact that the assailant was
male, acting in typical male fashion with his phallic symbols
firing away and was brought down by a brave woman.
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> It wasn't an "Islamic attack." More precisely, it was an attack by a
> >> man because of his _Islamic beliefs_.
>
> > And what is the difference?
>
> The term "Islamic attack" makes it sound like a general attack, that
> others of the same type are coming along. The motives of the
> attack are still being worked out, did he have rational ones or is
> his being Moslem and added feature.
But wouldn't you agree that an 'Islamic attack' would be motivated by
'Islamic beliefs'?
>
> Almost all mass murders are committed by males. So one can imagine
> a feminist group playing up the fact that the assailant was
> male, acting in typical male fashion with his phallic symbols
> firing away and was brought down by a brave woman.
A woman with a gun, yes.
Are you going to make fun of her too?
Mike
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:59:20 +0100, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
> >On 7/11/09 11:53, in article
> >e1472d25-59e1-4d44-808b-fb54d7ade...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
> >"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsaw1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> A ggod gun used by a bad person.
>
> >I thought you'd like the name of the gun
>
> better if he was in charge of the Ft Hood Ordnance Disposal Combat
> Support Company, and had used C4?? The point is he had INTENT to
> murder. Following through on his intent resulted in murder... which
> makes HIM a murderer, and not his weapon.
>
> Planet Visitor II
In Earl's world gun's can shoot themselves. They can also read your
mind and make you do bad things.
Really.
Earl Evleth
abba7f50-caee-40b1...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> A woman with a gun, yes.
She was an duty police woman.
> Are you going to make fun of her too?
Fortunately the cop killer gun did not kill her.
Earl Evleth
fc4fdaea-5b5f-4156...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In Earl's world gun's can shoot themselves.
In fact it happens, I posted on one a while back.
Here it is again, since you did not read it first
time around
***
Gun control (or lack thereof) takes on new meaning at Florida shooting range
October 5, 2009�|�11:47 am
�Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
That has been a popular refrain among opponents of stricter gun control.
Well, it turns out that guns -- all by themselves -- can at least injure
people.
In a bizarre incident at a Lakeland, Fla., practice facility on Saturday, a
9-millimeter handgun began shooting on its own while spinning in circles.
Three people were injured and one, a 29-year-old tourist visiting the range
with a friend, was struck in the shoulder and throat and as of Sunday night
remained hospitalized in stable condition.
Bullets started flying moments after Michael Thourot had fired and reloaded
the weapon, and set it down for his wife to use.
Sherri Thourot was struck in the back of her right arm and the bullet exited
in the biceps area. Her bone was shattered. Michael Thourot was struck in
the left hand. Gary Flynn was the unlucky tourist.
Sherri Thourot told the St. Petersburg Times she first noticed that her
husband had been hit. "But I couldn't tell how bad," she said. "Then I
realized I had been hit. My hand was bent forward and I couldn't move my
arm."
The husband and wife were test-firing their new weapon at Saddle Creek
Shooting Range.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
At point blank range, it's not going to much matter.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 8/11/09 20:03, in article 4AF7160F...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > 1) Why commit murder with a $1000 gun?
>
> The cost of the gun is secondary, its firepower primary. I would
> guess that it is a excellent weapon for a drive by
>
Why? A drive by is only a few seconds, so the weight of the ammo
isn't important. In fact, I doubt that a full clip would usually be
used. I would say a cheap AK-47 would be perfect. But how often are
they used? Not very.
> > 2) The criminal has no reason to toss the gun unless it's been used
> > in a murder (or similar). $1000 is nothing compared to the exposure
> > of murder, therefore he would toss the gun, even if he'd not seen
> > Godfather I enough times.
>
> Note that criminals are not among the best and the brightest.
> Those in prison have an average IQ of 90. And they are "now" people,
> often act without regard of the future, the more sociopathic
> them think they will never get caught.
>
Aren't sociopathic personalities more likely to be above 100 on the
IQ grade?
> The FN five seven is a prestige weapons and service the same
> role as a large screen TV does with you, having something
> bigger than those whom you are competing with.
>
The gun in question is actually smaller and lighter than a Nine,
using ammo that is but half the weight. People are often concerned
about the stopping power of the 9mm and thus might use 10mm
chambered weapons. But this goes in a different direction, towards
lighter and faster. Since handguns are (sensibly) used in
engagements at close range, a smaller and faster bullet is not
going to lose its energy enough to matter (as it would in a long
range sniper weapon). So high speed is fine. But there are
problems, of course, with too much penetration. This matters to
good people who don't want to hurt innocent people and whose only
goal is stopping the bad guy.
Earl Evleth
>> More so if loaded with buck shut, less so with bird shot.
>>
> At point blank range, it's not going to much matter.
One would guess that a threatened person would not
allow that threat to get close.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
If you are using a shotgun as a military weapon, I would expect you
to use buckshot type loads. I'm just saying that getting hit from a
few feet away with birdshot or buckshot, the damage would be
extensive.
Earl Evleth
a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> The cost of the gun is secondary, its firepower primary. I would
>> guess that it is a excellent weapon for a drive by
>>
> Why? A drive by is only a few seconds, so the weight of the ammo
> isn't important. In fact, I doubt that a full clip would usually be
> used. I would say a cheap AK-47 would be perfect. But how often are
> they used? Not very.
I personally could empty a 9 shot clip from a semi in a couple of seconds.
A long gun it difficult to fire from a car, a pistol is not an 20
shots allows one to effectively spray the intended target
>
>>
>> Note that criminals are not among the best and the brightest.
>> Those in prison have an average IQ of 90. And they are "now" people,
>> often act without regard of the future, the more sociopathic
>> them think they will never get caught.
> Aren't sociopathic personalities more likely to be above 100 on the
> IQ grade?
No, not that I have heard of. Of the criminals I have met and talked
with the terrorists (Basque and Iranian) were the most intelligent.
The common criminals do very stupid things and get caught.
>
Earl Evleth
> If you are using a shotgun as a military weapon, I would expect you
> to use buckshot type loads. I'm just saying that getting hit from a
> few feet away with birdshot or buckshot, the damage would be
> extensive.
A theoretical question, you continue to function in the virtual
world. If the shotgun is being used against human beings
you intend to kill, you will not employ birdshot. If you are
farmer Jones going after some chicken poachers you employ
rock salt and shot for their asses as they run off.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 9/11/09 18:33, in article 4AF8525C...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > If you are using a shotgun as a military weapon, I would expect you
> > to use buckshot type loads. I'm just saying that getting hit from a
> > few feet away with birdshot or buckshot, the damage would be
> > extensive.
>
> A theoretical question, you continue to function in the virtual
> world. If the shotgun is being used against human beings
> you intend to kill, you will not employ birdshot.
>
Even if that's all you have because your country's regulations
preclude access to buckshot or handguns or whatever?
> If you are
> farmer Jones going after some chicken poachers you employ
> rock salt and shot for their asses as they run off.
>
I very much doubt that you can legally shoot people who are maybe
trying take chickens. That's a disproportionate response.
Earl Evleth
>
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>
>>
> Even if that's all you have because your country's regulations
> preclude access to buckshot or handguns or whatever?
I don't know what restriction on shot gun ammunitions exists.
One thing for certain, you have to have a permit
>
>> If you are
>> farmer Jones going after some chicken poachers you employ
>> rock salt and shot for their asses as they run off.
>>
> I very much doubt that you can legally shoot people who are maybe
> trying take chickens. That's a disproportionate response.
In the rural south you are talking non-sense.
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A woman with a gun, yes.
>
> She was an duty police woman.
>
> > Are you going to make fun of her too?
>
> Fortunately the cop killer gun did not kill her.
She got shot twice in the legs if I remember correctly.
Them gun nuts are tough huh?
;>/
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In Earl's world gun's can shoot themselves.
>
> In fact it happens, I posted on one a while back.
>
> Here it is again, since you did not read it first
> time around
Wow! Red Herring for dinner! Thanks!
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Rock salt is what is nonsense. I found a webpage where they test
this and as I suggested, you either kill the person, because you
are right there with the barrel in his belly or you do nothing but
make heap big sound. I can't post the pictures, so you'll have to
go to the cite: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm
#begin quote
Lots of folks ask me, "Have you ever tried rock salt in a shotgun
shell? Would this be a good load for personal defense?"
We have seen it done in the movies. I remember an episode of "The
Rifleman", where Lucas McCain shot some bad guys with a load of
rock salt. I never understood why, but guess it had something to do
with script writers needing a new story line every week.
I've also heard that some folks used to use this load to run off
"bums" and beggars in the old days, during the Depression.
So, would it actually work?
Only one way to find out.
#end quote
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33_3.htm
#begin quote
Lessons learned:
1. At 20 yards, you might scare a dog or some other animal, but you
sure wouldn't break the skin.
2. At 10 yards, you might break the skin with a couple of grains,
but nothing very serious.
3. At 12 feet, you might get the desired effect, if the desired
effect is to "burn" the target with the rock salt.
4. At 4 feet, you might cause a wound requiring a visit to a
hospital for a human, or maybe death to a small animal.
5. Movie plots that show someone "burning" a bad guy at
across-the-yard distances are hogwash.
6. Rock salt makes a pitiful personal defense load, as if we didn't
already know that.
#end quote
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
That hit may have been one bullet, what I've read hasn't made it
clear. The weapon may have excessive penetration. I wonder if there
are bullets specifically for personal defence for it, that is that
would not be legal in warfare.
Earl Evleth
fee49323-254b-40aa...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> She got shot twice in the legs if I remember correctly.
>
> Them gun nuts are tough huh?
What a crock, if you are shot in the head you are dead,
if you receive leg wounds you may be able to function
longer unless the bullet shatters the thigh. As it was
she had a damage femoral artery and bled a lot, it
would have killed her if a bystander had not applied
a tourniquet.
So being tough is bull shit, being lucky is better.
Mike
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > She got shot twice in the legs if I remember correctly.
>
> > Them gun nuts are tough huh?
>
> What a crock, if you are shot in the head you are dead,
> if you receive leg wounds you may be able to function
> longer unless the bullet shatters the thigh. As it was
> she had a damage femoral artery and bled a lot, it
> would have killed her if a bystander had not applied
> a tourniquet.
She took fire and survived.
Unlike a 4f fatass who can't even see his own toes.
>
> So being tough is bull shit, being lucky is better.
And your inexperience counts for zilch....
Kurt Nicklas
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A woman with a gun, yes.
>
> She was an duty police woman.
>
> > Are you going to make fun of her too?
>
> Fortunately the cop killer gun did not kill her.
'Cop killer gun', Earl? Just what makes it a 'cop killer'?
Are you aware that the type of ammunition used may actually
have *saved* lives?
I'm betting your ignorance is as broad as your bigotry is deep.
Frank
> > From: Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> > Organization: les newsgroups par Orange
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:04 +0100
> > Subject: Re: 'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting
>
> > On 8/11/09 13:25, in article
> > 963619c3-5b79-48d0-a839-e5af4f2ed...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
> > <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> No one goes around calling it a 'Cop Killer'. Except for your
> >> ocassional doofus on the internet.
>
> > ***
>
> > Well it made it into the news services overseas--
>
> > "De F.N. 5.7 staat in de Verenigde Staten dan ook bekend als de 'cop killer
> > gun'."
>
> > Moorden op Fort Hood gepleegd met Belgisch wapen
>
> > 07/11 In de Verenigde Staten is er commotie ontstaan rond het vuurwapen
> > waarmee legerpsychiater Nidal Hassan donderdag 13 militairen doodschoot op
> > de Texaanse legerbasis Fort Hood. Hasan pleegde de moorden met een F.N. 5.7
> > mm die in de Belgische wapenfabriek in Herstal gemaakt wordt.
>
> > Toen het wapen vijf jaar geleden op de Amerikaanse markt werd gebracht,
> > wilden politievakbonden en verscheidene politici de verkoop van de F.N.
> > verbieden. Op de website van F.N. Herstal stond namelijk te lezen dat de
> > munitie van het vuurwapen vanop een afstand van 200 meter moeiteloos
> > kogelvrije vesten kon doorboren. De F.N. 5.7 staat in de Verenigde Staten
> > dan ook bekend als de 'cop killer gun'. F.N. heeft zijn website ondertussen
> > al aangepast.
>
> > Het vuurwapen is het favoriete pistool van de Mexicaanse drugkartels aan het
> > worden. Volgens werknemers in Amerikaanse wapenwinkels kunnen soldaten
> > zonder strafblad zonder veel problemen aan het pistool geraken.
>
> > ***
>
> > And 67,800 google hits for "cop killer gun"
>
> > Obviously the gun nuts hate the name. That alone brings joy to my heart
>
> Why did you post a long message in Dutch, which I suspect nobody here reads?
>
> Donna Evleth
Well, I did !
Translated : ik heb het gelezen.
Donna Evleth
> From: Frank <frank.e...@gmail.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:21:31 -0800 (PST)
Fortunately I stated it as a "suspicion" and not as an absolute fact:-)
Donna Evleth
PJ O'Donovan
<De F.N. 5.7 staat in de Verenigde Staten dan ook bekend als de 'cop
killer
gun'."
Moorden op Fort Hood gepleegd met Belgisch wapen
07/11 In de Verenigde Staten is er commotie ontstaan rond het
vuurwapen
waarmee legerpsychiater Nidal Hassan donderdag ....snip....
Pasted by the anti American moron Evleth>
A dose of reality on this issue at http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/thank-goodness-for-cop-killer-weapons/2/
for the English readers among us:
Excerpts:
"Thank Goodness for ‘Cop Killer’ Weapons
For once, the media's ignorance and fact-free hype regarding firearms
may have served to actually save lives.
...ABC News and the Telegraph (and, yes, even Brady once again,
recycling the term and misleading claims they did so much to create)
are once again reveling in articles shouting about the evil power
contained in Major Hasan’s “cop killer” gun. But the simple fact of
the matter is that there is good reason to believe that at least some
of those wounded in Thursday’s shooting are alive today because of the
5.7 cartridge’s dubious capabilities.
....No rational person would ever wish for our soldiers to be
attacked, but the simple fact of the matter is that Hasan’s reliance
on a gun the uneducated media told him was a powerful “cop killer”
quite possibly saved lives at Fort Hood. If the same victims had been
hit with 155-180 grain .40 S&W or 185-230 grain .45ACP hollow points,
their wounds would likely have been far more severe than the wounds
they suffered from even a fragmenting 40 grain VMAX bullet in the most
commonly available 5.7 cartridge.
The American media has a long and ignoble history of firearms
ignorance often based upon the propaganda of anti-gun organizations.
Finally, if but for once, that ignorance and fact-free hype may have
served to actually save lives."
Earl Evleth
Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> Why did you post a long message in Dutch, which I suspect nobody here reads?
>>>
>>> Donna Evleth
>>
>> Well, I did !
>>
>> Translated : ik heb het gelezen.
>
> Fortunately I stated it as a "suspicion" and not as an absolute fact:-)
Parts of the sentences were not hard to figure out.
Like
"favoriete pistool van de Mexicaanse drugkartels"
which in fact was news to me.
Mitchell Holman
news:uc7ff55ounrukdhmv...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:40:24 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>news:q6ncf5pri3l3n0q6o...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:02:57 +0800, thang ornithorhynchus
>>> <th...@spitzola.com.org.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:09:19 -0600, "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:cr2dnUUXbMYK-
>>>>>>> But sold in the USA under the "inspiring" name of "Cap Killer".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Cap Killer'? Really?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, and not even "Cop Killer". No gun is sold under that name. The
>>>>>gun does not pierce body armor...the bullet does.
>>>>>
>>>>>These cartridges have been referred to as "cop killers" because
>>>>>they have the ability to penetrate body armor. These were made to
>>>>>fit more than one calibre firearm, and are normally available only
to
>>>>>police and military.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no corroboration that this madman used armor piercing
>>>>>bullets, but it wouldnt have made any difference.. Few or none on
the
>>>>>base would have been wearing Kevlar vests.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am going to assume until I learn differently that this was the act
>>>>>of one man, probably deranged, rather than an Islamic attack on the
>>>>>people of America.
>>>>
>>>>Nice.
>>>
>>> It wasn't an "Islamic attack." More precisely, it was an attack by a
>>> man because of his _Islamic beliefs_.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just like Eric Rudolph made his attacks because
>>of his Christian beliefs.
>>
>> The problem is not Islam, but religion.
>>
>
> Rubbish. We are not examining murders in general. We are examining
> the murders committed at Fort Hood on last Thursday. Please try to
> stay focused and not make excuses for the core reason behind those
> murders. We know that people commit murder. We know that people
> commit murder for religious reasons. We also know that in the 21st
> Century Islam is far and away more responsible for murder in the name
> of religion than any other religion. Murders committed on 9/11. In
> London. In Madrid. In Bali. The school children slaughtered in
> Russia. The French Embassy in Mauritania. Muslim suicide bombers in
> Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon. Rockets shot indiscriminately
> toward innocent civilians in Israel. Muslim slaughters in Africa, the
> Philippines. The riots in Europe over cartoons ... etc.. .etc... etc.
> ad infinitum.
>
> But that is beside the point and I only mention it to dissuade you
> that Christianity in the 21st Century is a violent and murderous
> religion. I'm opposed to all religion. But we are now talking about
> MURDER in the name of religion at Ft Hood last Thursday. The
> explanation for those murders is in one word -- ISLAM. Christianity
> or any other religion or lack of a religion had NOTHING to do with
> it. Make no mistake about it... and make no excuses for it.
>
>
> Planet Visitor II
>
>>
>>"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate
>>is good. Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical
>>duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We
>>don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
>>-- Randall Terry, devout Christian and pro-life founder of
>>Operation Rescue
>>
>
> Dr. Ismail Radwan made it clear that the classical Hamas ideology had
> not changed, including its continued incorporation of extremist
> Islamic beliefs into Hamas ideology and policy. He reiterated:
>
> 1. The Hour � the Islamic Resurrection and End of Time� is literally
> dependent on the killing of Jews by Muslims.
> 2. The remaining Jews will unsuccessfully attempt to hide, as the
> rocks and trees will expose them, calling out "there is a Jew behind
> me, kill him!"
> 3. "Palestine� will be liberated through the rifle," a euphemism
> meaning that Israel will be destroyed through violence.
>
> See --
> http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
> Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that Muslim
> Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
Funny you mention the Christian Hitler and his
Christian attacks on the Jews.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and
Savior as a fighter."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with
the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against
the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
"The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to
positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to
protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights"
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops
"In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that,
as in the past, so in the years to come He would give His
blessing to our work and our action"
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937
"God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its
existence we are defending His work. In vowing ourselves
to one another, we are entitled to stand before the
Almighty and ask Him for His grace and His blessing."
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945
Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
religious fanatics.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> > http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
> > Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that Muslim
> > Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
>
> Funny you mention the Christian Hitler and his
> Christian attacks on the Jews.
>
You've had this nonsense stuffed down your gullet too many times to
count. Hitler was not a Christian.
> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
> religious fanatics.
>
When you stoop to attributing to Christianity the likes of Hitler,
you are just without any sense, Holman.
John Rennie
>> dependent on the killing of Jews by Muslims.
>> 2. The remaining Jews will unsuccessfully attempt to hide, as the
>> rocks and trees will expose them, calling out "there is a Jew behind
>> me, kill him!"
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
>> religious fanatics.
>>
> Or of cold blooded liars like Hitler, Mitch.
All the Moslems I have talked with say that the
acts of the terrorists is not "True Islam"
which in their view is non-violent.
I did not argue with them about the historical
facts. But the question remains is there
a "true Islam" or a "true Christianity"?
Have their histories been equally as violent
and murderous or does one outscore the other?
Although Moslems will debate the "true" part
I am not sure that Christians think much at all
about it.
PJ O'Donovan
Savior as a fighter."
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
Holeman>
Just another area of commonality between Hitler and Obama, Holeman.
"Barry" Obama:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the
redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that
that
faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.
But
most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding
the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of
these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say,
but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of
these
issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey.
Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my
conduct and my values and my ideals."
But he also said this, Holeman:
"B. Hussein" Obama:
From 'Dreams of my Father' ,"The person who made me proudest of all,
though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."
From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a
Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."
From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand
of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".
From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the
political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Tell us what you think represents the "real" Obama, Holeman.
We won't hold our breath for your answer, Holeman.
Mitchell Holman
>
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>> Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>
>> > http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
>> > Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that
Muslim
>> > Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
>>
>> Funny you mention the Christian Hitler and his
>> Christian attacks on the Jews.
>>
> You've had this nonsense stuffed down your gullet too many times to
> count. Hitler was not a Christian.
>
The posted proof you deleted because it proves you
wrong...well, proves you wrong.
>
>
>> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
>> religious fanatics.
>>
> When you stoop to attributing to Christianity the likes of Hitler,
> you are just without any sense, Holman.
From the "Is There A Difference" file.....
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because
such a school has no religious instruction and
a general moral instruction without a religious
foundation is built on air; consequently, all
character training and religion must be derived
from faith.... We need believing people."
--Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933
vs..................
"I hope I live to see the day when we won't have
any public schools. The churches will have taken
them over again and Christians will be running them.
What a happy day that will be!"
- Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979
Earl Evleth
Xns9CC051074AEF6...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> You've had this nonsense stuffed down your gullet too many times to
>> count. Hitler was not a Christian.
> The posted proof you deleted because it proves you
> wrong...well, proves you wrong.
In the sense that "Hitler attended a Catholic school located in an
11th-century Benedictine cloister".
I would say that culturally he was Catholic and many of the
Nazi ceremonies were copies of Christian ceremonies.
His anti-Semitism was based on bastardized Christian
anti-Semitism based on the Jews killing Christian babies
and drinking their blood, etc. His anti-Semitism can
from a Christian soil.
Bill might argue that he was not authentically Christian,
his behavior showed that. The problem is with word "authentically"
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:4AFA3F27...@yahoo.co.uk:
>
> >
> >
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>
> >> Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> >
> >> > http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
> >> > Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that
> Muslim
> >> > Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
> >>
> >> Funny you mention the Christian Hitler and his
> >> Christian attacks on the Jews.
> >>
> > You've had this nonsense stuffed down your gullet too many times to
> > count. Hitler was not a Christian.
> >
>
>
> The posted proof you deleted because it proves you
> wrong...well, proves you wrong.
>
You are lying again. Furthermore, I simply trimmed irrelevanceis.
I'm not required to repost your entire post.
> >> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
> >> religious fanatics.
> >>
> > When you stoop to attributing to Christianity the likes of Hitler,
> > you are just without any sense, Holman.
>
> From the "Is There A Difference" file.....
>
> "Secular schools can never be tolerated because
> such a school has no religious instruction and
> a general moral instruction without a religious
> foundation is built on air; consequently, all
> character training and religion must be derived
> from faith.... We need believing people."
> --Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933
>
Cite to where you go this.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
So someone who went to church in his youth and who even went to a
school run by a church is of that religion for their entire lives?
I've been back and forth with this subject with Holman, who
promptly forgets. Here's what Wiki currently says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
John Rennie wrote:
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >
> > Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
> > religious fanatics.
> >
> Or of cold blooded liars like Hitler, Mitch.
>
Hitler said whatever it took to get Hitler what he wanted. It's
also true that Hitler told the workers that he was on their side
and then told the business owners he was on their side. It took a
long time before Hitler was forced to make an open choice. It
should be clear in hindsight if not fore that Hitler was only
interested in Hitler.
John Rennie
Mitchell Holman
"As I've told you probably a hundred times now, I want you
to quote from the link whatever you think makes your point.
Why do you think I should read an entire webpage to figure
out what you might possibly mean? That is ridiculous."
Bill Bonde, Aug 22 2009, explaining why he deletes URL's
without quotes, in between posts (like the above) where HE
posts URL's without quotes.
Mitchell Holman
>
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>> "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
>> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:4AFA3F27...@yahoo.co.uk:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> >
>> >> > http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Radwan300307.asx
>> >> > Watch the video and tell me there is a difference between that
>> Muslim
>> >> > Imam and Hitler's rants against the Jews.
>> >>
>> >> Funny you mention the Christian Hitler and his
>> >> Christian attacks on the Jews.
>> >>
>> > You've had this nonsense stuffed down your gullet too many times to
>> > count. Hitler was not a Christian.
>> >
>>
>>
>> The posted proof you deleted because it proves you
>> wrong...well, proves you wrong.
>>
> You are lying again. Furthermore, I simply trimmed irrelevanceis.
"irrelevanceis."
From our resident spelling guru Bonde.
Sheesh...........
Mitchell Holman
>
>
>> >> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
>> >> religious fanatics.
>> >>
>> > When you stoop to attributing to Christianity the likes of Hitler,
>> > you are just without any sense, Holman.
>>
>> From the "Is There A Difference" file.....
>>
>> "Secular schools can never be tolerated because
>> such a school has no religious instruction and
>> a general moral instruction without a religious
>> foundation is built on air; consequently, all
>> character training and religion must be derived
>> from faith.... We need believing people."
>> --Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933
>>
> Cite to where you go this.
http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1282/god-secular-schools-and-
religiosity
http://www.bee.net/cardigan/attic/120101.htm
http://www.livingwaters.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=288
&Itemid=34
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Hitler_and_evolution
deconstructing desmond coughlan
Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2009-11-08, James **** Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
>{ snip irrelevant nonsense }
>
>****** Noles, didn't you say you were leaving..?
Didn't you say you are Jewish??
Well, you crass, perverse, Nazi-loving, Jew-hating, Shoah-denying,
racist sociopath when can we expect you to stop spewing out your
fatuous hate, greasy racism, apoplectic rage, and your putrid nexus of
venom, bile and Nazism -- plus your bicephalous hedonistic drivel and
creepy murderer-loving opinions? . To prove my point permit me to
offer a withering, scornful, mocking, contemptuous, examination of
your colossal hubris and equally towering lies, racism, sophistry,
malevolence and hebephrenic ignorance, by recalling just a few of your
past malignant harangues... you sleazy, anal, puerile, uneducated,
emotionally dysfunctional, phrenetic, brain-damaged, cretin
cocksucker... [1]
May your every night be haunted by the ghosts of those six million
Jews you deny having been exterminated by the Nazis because of their
race or religion. May you sleep on hot desert sand for the rest of
your life while rodents eat away at your testicles, cockroaches crawl
up your ass to feast on the brain particles you've left there over the
years having your brain up your ass, and huge fire ants see your ear
wax as a source of protein for their queen, leaving their own frass
behind, as their line forms longer than that at a French Emergency
Clinic. At the same time vampire bats pick away at your flesh, and
huge meat flies deposit their maggots into your open mouth as you
snore, causing you to wake up and vomit numerous times each and
every night for the rest of your life. It's only what you deserve.
Since justice is served best by truth.
It's common knowledge in AADP that you have a recognized inability to
articulate any rational argument, being a victim of arrested mental
development, and only recently acquired opposable thumbs - thus you
need to reply with insipid insults, disgraceful obscenities, insensate
hate, malevolent racism, panegyric support for the Nazis, emetic hate
for the Jews, theocratic hate for the Arabs, solemn denial of the
Shoah, equally solemn revision of the Shoah, explicit encouragement
for eugenics, sycophantical feelings toward murderers (in sacrificing
the life of your wife to save the life of a "wrongly released
murderer"); and various other vacuous and evirating forms of mindless
drivel when you do manage the one out of 500 comments from you that
are not overflowing with at least one of the aforementioned
characteristics.
Unlike you, I don't go around slapping the Torah daily, and ramming
its contents down other people's throats. That's why you're such a
joke here on alt.activism.death-penalty. That's why you're such an
object of ridicule. That's why no one takes you seriously. That's why
even your friends call you a "racist" and a "Usenet kook." That's why
I have exposed you every single time I've replied to one of your
posts. That's why you have never won an argument. You fucking
illiterate imbecile.
So pay attention, you yellow-eyed, bloodsucking, cornucopia of lies,
racism and Nazism. You belly-of-the-beast-dwelling, Jew-hating,
Arab-hating, American-hating, humanity-hating, Nazi-loving,
misogynistic, xenophobic, narcissist, Holocaust-denying, homicidal
maniac, cocksucker. I'd compare you with Lawrence Brewer, but that
would be an insult to the latter. He murdered "one" Black man. You've
been supportive of the murder of close to a million Tutsis, in
supporting Mitterand who noted that "In such countries genocide is not
too important," after directing the murder of those Tutsis. Whose
election you insisted was "wonderful" and cause for "great elation and
champagne." Claiming that "President Mitterand's capacity to govern,
was never in doubt." While you've said your "G-d" has told you to "go
forth and slaughter every Arab from the Nile to the Tigris."
[1]
What kind of a Jew would insist that the Holocaust was not "evil"? See
Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/6j2pns
His exact words -- "I do not find the Shoah 'evil'..."
And having made that comment about the extermination of six
million Jews, what kind of a Jew would claim that the Nazi State
exterminating six million Jews was "not evil" but any State killing
a single proven and convicted murderer is "the greatest evil
facing mankind"? See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/5jqsm8
His exact words -- "My belief in the death penalty as the greatest
evil facing mankind..." Imagine that... Desmond Coughlan insists he
just can't see why exterminating six million Jews is "evil," but is
certain that killing a single murderer is the "greatest evil facing
mankind." Of course, Desmond Coughlan has also stated -- ""... well
the death penalty is evil." But the Holocaust "isn't evil" to
Desmond Coughlan.
What kind of a Jew would insist that the Nazis were "deprived
of their human rights"? See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/5pgz2q
His exact words -- "Are we to accept the word of a committee,
bent on revenge, which in itself violated the human rights of the
Nazis ?" Try to find anywhere where Desmond Coughlan has even once
mentioned that the Nazis deprived the Jews of their "human rights."
No such comment from him has ever been offered. It's interesting
to note that defenders of the Nazis like Desmond Coughlan who
work so hard to defend the "innocence" of the Nazis, argue that
"international law" only trumped "Nazi law (sic)" AFTER the Jews were
already exterminated.
What kind of a Jew would offer a comment supporting Holocaust
revision insisting that "Auschwitz wouldn't execute a 72-year-old
man..." See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/55pszc
His exact words -- "Even Auschwitz wouldn't execute a 72-year-old
man, Richard..." Clear HOLOCAUST REVISION!!!
What kind of a Jew would issue a clear statement of Holocaust
DENIAL claiming that "we stopped killing people because of their
religion and race centuries ago"? No poster in the history of
AADP has ever issued such a clear and unequivocal claim that
there was no slaughter of the Jews because of their race and
religion less that 70 years ago, much less "centuries ago."
See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/4qzc2e
His exact words -- "The difference is that we stopped killing
people because of their religion and race centuries ago ..." Clear
HOLOCAUST DENIAL!!! In fact, written in the very same
century in which the Holocaust took place.
What kind of a Jew would claim that the Jewish victims of the
Holocaust were "in the absolute... perfect equivalents, both
morally and legally," to proven and executed murderers? See
Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/263djg
His exact words -- "In the absolute, the Nazi Holocaust and the
death penalty are perfect equivalents, both morally and legally."
What kind of a Jew would claim that he agrees with the Hitler
doctrine that the Jews were "legally inhuman"? See Desmond
Coughlan do just that --
http://tinyurl.com/29hfoo
His exact words -- "The issue is whether or not, the Nazis, in
declaring Jews 'inhuman', were acting illegally. They were not."
What kind of a Jew would try to claim his name is no longer
Desmond Coughlan, but "Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein" in making a
parody of Jewish names? Of course that has been the goal of
Desmond Coughlan.
What kind of a Jew would claim that Europe has "led the world
in morality for 2,000 years"? Ignoring the persecution, bigotry,
hate, and downright murder of millions upon millions of Jews in
Europe during that 2,000 years. See Desmond Coughlan do just
that in --
http://tinyurl.com/2l6ume
His exact words -- "Europe has not had a war now since 1945, and in
matters of morals, has led the world for over two thousand years."
Imagine that... Desmond Coughlan considers the Holocaust was part of
that morality. Then he went on to insist that "Educated Americans
are insanely jealous of Europe, for it is on this continent..."
that the extermination of six million Jews took place.
What kind of a Jew would state that the Jews are "milking" the
Holocaust? See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/6j9wd3
His exact words -- "Yet by milking those terrible events for
all they are worth, 60 years later, Israel and World Jewry are
only cutting their noses, to spite their face."
What kind of a Jew would claim emphatically that"Here it is in
small words, Fuckwit: it _was_ legal to kill Jews during WWII"?
See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/yrfks4
His exact words -- "Here it is in small words, FuckWit: it _was_
legal to kill Jews during WWII."
Don't think Desmond Coughlan believes the Shoah was "moral"?
Bite your tongue... he has also stated emphatically that "If it's
legal, it's moral, Jed..."
Shinola is a product used to shine shoes... the Nazi Desmond
Coughlan's belief it was legal to exterminate European Jewry on the
other hand is shit. The gentle reader should easily see the
difference. And if they can't see the difference between Shit
and Shinola they have no business even posting to Usenet, much
less AADP.
What kind of a Jew would claim that being Jewish is being genetically
dishonest? Desmond Coughlan did exactly that in his exact words ---
"Damn, can't help that dishonesty ... must be the Jewish in me." Of
course, Desmond Coughlan is not Jewish, but he is so dishonest he
would try to bribe his way into an Ethics forum.
What kind of Jew would claim he is Jewish, but also claim it is
"unknowable" if he is Jewish? Only Desmond Coughlan could be that
ignorant.
What kind of Jew would stupidly confuse "International Holocaust
Remembrance Day," with Yom HaShoah? Why, good ol' Desmond
Coughlan did.
What kind of a Jew would beg for Papon, murderer of thousands
of French Jews, to spend his last years on the French Riviera, rather
than the prison he so deserved? Desmond Coughlan did, with his words
about the potential of prison for Papon -- "Isn't there room for mercy
? For the sure knowledge that this 91-year- old man, isn't in a
position to harm anyone." What about the harm he already
caused? Oh, wait... they're dead and have no relevance to
Desmond Coughlan.
What kind of a Jew would argue -- "Make up your mind: either the
Holocaust was mass murder, in which case, so is the death penalty, or
the death penalty is 'just', in which case, so was the extermination
of the Jews."? Arguing that it is even possible to consider the
Shoah as "just." Once again... good ol' Desmond Coughlan believes
the Holocaust was "just."
What kind of a Jew would argue that Israel kidnapped and murdered
Adolf Eichmann? Why Desmond Coughlan would. And did.
What kind of Jew would argue that Israel was behind 9/11? Once
again... that was the argument of Desmond Coughlan.
While Desmond Coughlan has also stated that -- "The right to life,
Joaquim, is a right that the state is not empowered to remove, for
the simple reason that it is a right which the state did not confer
in the first place." And in yet another place stated -- "The
individual enjoys supreme sovereignty over his or her body. No state
entity, no person may lawfully interfere with that right, or with that
sovereignty." And yet again, in another place, with his words --
"nothing gives us the right to violate the most basic human right: the
right to life." See --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/7d7dbafa519b172a
That is unless the violation is conducted by the Nazis on the Jews,
in which case Desmond Coughlan insists it was perfectly acceptable to
him.
Because on the other hand, Desmond Coughlan insists the Shoah was
legal, using various comments such as "'The Holocaust' is a term used
to refer to the legal execution of 6,000,000 Jews in the Second World
War," and thus feels the Nazi state did have the "right" to remove the
"right to life" of the Jews. Apparently it is confirmed that he does
not consider the Jews to be "human." Also notice that he uses the
word "execution," while in other places he has stated -- "Tsk, bloody
tsk, Richard, the 6 million Jews slaughtered during the Second World
War, were _murdered_, not 'executed'. You're getting to sound like an
abolitionist, for heaven's sake ..."
But, wait, gentle reader... keep in mind that Desmond Coughlan is
"he of the forked-tongued double-speak." Above he states that the
Holocaust was "NOT" a death penalty, but murder, yet his other
words have stated -- "how can they accept the widespread
implementation of the death penalty in the United States, yet condemn
the death penalty as practiced in Nazi Germany during WWII ?" See --
http://tinyurl.com/5pgz2q
And as far as Israel goes... what kind of Jew would claim that Israel
is committing "butchery," and then try to deny the Israelis of being
Jewish? See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/68cu4j
His exact words -- "Yes, your frustration with Israel's butchery,
financed by the United States, is understandable." In addition
to that entire comment from him being much more furiously anti-Israel
than anyone else has ever offered in AADP. Notice that he
then tries to deny he meant that "Israeli citizens are out
on the street, bulldozing homes." Insisting that the _Israeli
government_ is making it happen by magic rather than Israeli
citizens actually doing the bulldozing as he most certainly
originally argued.
And what kind of Jew would claim that Israel is murdering innocent
women and children? And defend a French Ambassador to the U.K. for
having called Israel "that shitty little country that is threatening
world peace"? See Desmond Coughlan do just that in --
http://tinyurl.com/5j83xc
His exact words -- "Israel does not need to kill children, to ensure
its survival. Israel does not need to target the innocent families of
suicide bombers, to ensure its survival. Israel does not need to
engage in daily humiliation of innocent men and women, to ensure its
survival. The current policies will hurt Israel more in the long run,
than they will help it. Sharon came to power on a security 'ticket',
and his brutal repression of the Palestinian people, has _not_
ensured the security of Israel and her citizens. " Notice he
accuses Israel of "state terrorism," Notice he speaks of "the
Palestinian People" as if they are a unique group of human beings,
rather than middle-east Arabs who occupy what the UN
created as an "Arab State." But no longer does he spew out
that anti-Israeli doctrine, gentle reader...
Because now he insists he is a fanatic Zionist out to do more
damage to Zionism than any ten anti-Semites, as he now insists
in playing his new role of a _fanatic, hate-filled_ Zionist,
hoping to make a mockery of Zionism by copying the same fanatic
hate for Arabs that so-many middle-east Arabs have for the Jews,
Making him no better than any Muslim terrorist working directly
for bin Laden. As he insists that he wants to exterminate
every Arab from the Nile to the Tigris. See --
http://tinyurl.com/5gcezc
With his exact words -- "My view is that Israel could (and
should) be allowed to clean up the scum in the area, and not
leave a single Arab alive from the Nile to the Tigris, as G-d
intended it in His Torah."
Anyone see a paradigm emerge from the above comments from
Desmond Coughlan? Anyone see the image of someone filled with
so much hate he sends shivers up your spine? Desmond Coughlan
suffers from "survivor's guilt syndrome." He's one of the last
surviving Nazis. But there's more --
What kind of a person would feel it would be a lesser evil if his
wife was murdered by a "wrongly released murderer" rather than
that murderer had been executed? Desmond Coughlan did exactly that --
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/pv/dipshit_gimmicks/gimmick_28.html
What kind of a person would demand that another poster kill himself,
for disagreeing with his views? Only Desmond Coughlan could be that
hateful and that desperate. Of course Desmond Coughlan also stated --
"I have personally never encountered an abolitionist on this group,
who has made threats of physical violence against another poster."
Apparently Desmond Coughlan has never looked in a mirror.
What kind of a person would display a pedophile intention in his
words that demand a "blowjob" from a 16-year-old nymphet? Desmond
Coughlan would, and did.
What kind of a person would hate Blacks so much that he would insist
that if he visited the U.S. he would be robbed, but only by a Black
man, using the words -- "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah
toast yo ass !!"? Of course we already know that this would be what
Desmond Coughlan has posted to AADP.
What kind of a person would claim that the prosecution of the White
racists who murdered James Byrd was "a miscarriage of justice"?
Desmond Coughlan did exactly that. Let's see if we can find any
condemnation for that racist murderer, Brewer?? Nope... nothing from
Desmond Coughlan that would even slightly criticize Brewer for his
racist murder of James Byrd.
What kind of a person would defend convicted murderers with his
words -- "considering the bald statistical fact that murderers are
less likely to kill _again_, than those who have never killed a first
time"? Apparently arguing that this makes those who have
already murdered a better bet to enter the community than any
other person. Gee Whiz... this is getting monotonous.... since we
are again noting the words of Desmond Coughlan.
What kind of a person would call himself the same as a cat, and
express a wish to kill his opponents whom he calls "sparrows"? With
the words -- "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course.
That's what they're there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much
as She gave sparrows to the domestic cat. They're our playthings. We
are "torturers of small animals."" Only Desmond Coughlan could
be so craven and malicious, that he believes his "G-d" gave him
other humans to murder.
What kind of a person would petition for the release from prison of
Theodore Frank, a proven pedophile murderer, stating that "Indeed, the
chances of _me_ murdering someone, are greater than the chances that
Theodore Frank would have done so"? Desmond Coughlan stated exactly
that in weeping for Theodore Frank.
What kind of a person would claim someone hates the Jews because
he "detests all those who failed to exterminate the Jews"? Desmond
Coughlan said exactly those words, in his praise for the Nazis who
"failed to exterminate the Jews."
What kind of a moron would claim his opinions are "infallible"?
Desmond Coughlan made exactly that claim.
What kind of a lunatic would claim he has sent protests such as
"Your posts of the last two days have been forwarded to the 'avocat
g�n�ral', to the directeur g�n�rale de la police judiciare, and to the
police des fronti�res at Roissy," in frustration over the fact he
cannot face the truth, nor handle it, thus needing to use whining
and infantile threats in hoping to expunge the truth with banal
"warnings of dire consequences" if that truth is exposed, hoping
to again remove the truth, as he removed the truth of his words
from Google? Gee, the name of that lunatic is Desmond Coughlan!
Boy... was I ever "afraid" (sic). I imagine he'll be sending this
post to Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, with his usual whining that "others
are picking on me."
What kind of a demented racist would insist that one group of humans
is "lower down the evolutionary scale" than another group of human,
based upon their geographic environment? Why only Desmond
Coughlan is capable of such conspicuous racism, obviously believing
that African natives are "lower down the evolutionary scale" than
European Whites.
What kind of a person would spit in the face of MLK when tributes are
mentioned in AADP? Why again... that would again be Desmond Coughlan.
See --
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/pv/dipshit_gimmicks/gimmick_1.html
What kind of a self-serving fruitcake would state that "this group is
not known for the moral character of its posters"? Why that would
again be Desmond Coughlan, attacking the whole group because
no one believed he is Jewish. While insisting all posters to AADP
needed to "redeem" themselves and grow a "backbone" by supporting
Desmond Coughlan's racist attack on a tribute to Martin Luther King
Jr., or else they should "leave the group."
What kind of insanity would drive a poster to say that the murders
committed by Islamic Terrorists in Indonesian had the _positive
effect_ of "easing the population problem in Indonesia"? Hey... guess
what? That was again Desmond Coughlan.
What kind of a person would state that he'd "rather see the extinction
of the human race," than one innocent be executed? Which obviously
would not save that innocent, making his comment only a pile of
self-serving crap. Only Desmond Coughlan could be that logically
handicapped. The way his brain is wired you could almost hear
the fuses pop when he wrote those words.
Don't think that Desmond Coughlan doesn't hate the Germans? Think
again... he's stated -- "The Germans _tried_ to exterminate the Jews,"
and "Evidence, in fact, is emerging that the German population knew
exactly what was being done in its name." Notice how he tenderly
avoids any mention of the Nazi element at work... it was ALL the
Germans according to him. And then he complains that others call
him a racist. While in another case he actually "defended" Hitler,
in stating "He [Hitler] only carried out the democratic will of the
German people."
Why bother to even believe in a supreme evil being dedicated to
the destruction and corruption of mankind? We already have a
Desmond Coughlan right here in AADP. So don't bother trying to
get him to talk sense. That ship has sailed many years ago.
Trying to get him to talk sense is like chasing a greased pig...
it can't be done, and you only get your hands dirty trying. The
gentle reader would do better in believing in the "moral integrity" of
a slot machine.
Of course there is much more, while Desmond Coughlan has been burying
the evidence as fast as I report it. But make no mistake, before he
found he needed to become a fanatic Zionist and supporter of the
"religious right" of the Jews to regain control of all the lands of
"Israelites" including parts of Syria, Jordan and Iran, he was a
fanatic anti-Israel and anti-Jewish poster. He is simply caught up
in the maelstrom of his new persona where he needs to convince
the gullible that he is Jewish. He hopes to accomplish this by
transforming himself into the most offensive Zionist one can imagine.
Thus, like his support for unlimited abortion (insisting the fetus
is "not alive" until born), and his demagoguery, made him a pariah
among true abolitionists, Desmond Coughlan's fanatic, and hate-filled
rhetoric as a pseudo-fanatic-Zionist, now makes him a pariah among
reasonable Zionists.
And for some other idiot comments Desmond Coughlan has made --
Desmond Coughlan confused Nobel with Noble
Desmond Coughlan insisted Dixie Chicks are "black females"
(Desmond Coughlan forgot about John Donne as he insisted that
Hemingway originated the words "For whom the bell tolls")
Desmond Coughlan asked who is Erica Jong?
Desmond Coughlan insisted Lockerbie was not a terrorist attack
Desmond Coughlan insisted that Ted Bundy was "murdered" by the state.
Desmond Coughlan insisted that al Qaeda did not perpetrate 9/11
(Desmond Coughlan stated that Poland invasion was "not a criminal
offense," no... wait... he also stated Poland invasion was "illegal."
Oh... he believes "illegal" is "not a criminal offense")
(Desmond Coughlan stated mathematics is not a "language.")
(Desmond Coughlan stated "I speak fluent German and Hebrew" ROTFLMAO,
Mein Herr)
( Desmond Coughlan insisted that "Hebrew doesn't have vowels" But
Desmond Coughlan also insisted that "Kippa is a Hebrew word" So
obviously Desmond Coughlan believes that the word "kippa" doesn't
have any vowels. How does one who reads Hebrew but not languages
using the Latin alphabet understand that supposed "Hebrew" word?
Of course Desmond Coughlan would claim that person is illiterate in
Hebrew. Obviously the word "kippa" is not something so common
such as the word "stop" used on stop signs for someone who only
reads and writes in Hebrew to have seen)
Desmond Coughlan made a sick joke on the passing of Rosa Parks.
Desmond Coughlan had Homer confused with Homer Simpson
Desmond Coughlan did not even know who Socrates was
Desmond Coughlan toasted his defeat with Dom Perignan (sic) ROTFLMAO
(Desmond Coughlan insisted using words such as "Apate," and
"Eisoptrophobia," were too hoyte-toyte for him)
(Desmond Coughlan insisted there were no terrorist attacks before
9/11. Of course there was another terrorist attack on the WTC long
before 9/11)
(Desmond Coughlan believes there is a "United States Security Council"
(sic) ROTFLMAO)
(Desmond Coughlan insists he "doesn't know what lying is" Which does
explain a lot of his comments.)
(Desmond Coughlan insisted he is "Godless," while criticizing others
who he calls "Godless")
(Desmond Coughlan stated he shall "fight to the death" Diablo's right
to express an opinion)
Desmond Coughlan lied about his DOB. Then admitted he lied.
Desmond Coughlan stated "I'm a lawyer" Then admitting he lied.
Desmond Coughlan stated the OED is wrong as "Quote is not a noun"
(Desmond Coughlan displays an inability to have ever spelled the word
"pronunciation" correctly. Although he has spelled it about three
different other ways, but never correctly)
(Desmond Coughlan tried to water board torture Planet Visitor to get
him to admit that Desmond Coughlan is Jewish... ho ho ho)
(Desmond Coughlan argues Holocaust was "God's greatest gift" to the
Jews and to humanity to make excuses for the Nazis)
Desmond Coughlan insisted everyone could legally kill Jews in WW II
Desmond Coughlan whined that others "shouldn't flame me."
Desmond Coughlan claimed Jewish stepfathers are pedophiles
Desmond Coughlan prayed for escaped murderers to make it to Mexico
(Desmond Coughlan admitted to paying $300 to cyber stalk Planet
Visitor. Getting his home address and phone number)
Desmond Coughlan called Planet Visitor at home to threaten him. See -
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/pv/dipshit_gimmicks/gimmick_29.html
(Desmond Coughlan claimed he removes his racist and support for
Nazism comments because doing so "upsets" Planet Visitor.)
(Desmond Coughlan removed the comments of others if it relates
to comments from him he wants to hide, or comments that show
he is not Jewish)
(Desmond Coughlan insisted John Rennie is _honor-bound to not
reveal Desmond Coughlan's lie)
(Desmond Coughlan accused John Rennie of "blackmail" when
John Rennie revealed Desmond Coughlan's lie)
Desmond Coughlan told Donna Evleth to "go and fuck yourself"
(Desmond Coughlan had trouble following the >, as he confuses a
comment made by Dan Hogg, claiming it was made by Planet Visitor)
(Desmond Coughlan stated -- "it is the height of idiocy (which
shouldn't surprise anyone) to claim that the Jewish press is anything
other than biased" - Gee I thought he was pro-Jewish)
(Desmond Coughlan stated "I dissociate myself from the 'classic'
Judeo-Christian... idea of 'spirituality', and consider the soul, as
distinct from any organised religion. " Sure, Desmond Coughlan...
except you now thump the Torah every day and night)
(Desmond Coughlan insisted woman have "supreme sovereignty"
over their bodies, and can demand doctors remove their arms and
legs, unless they are Jewish, in which case he insists the Nazis have
that "supreme sovereignty")
(Desmond Coughlan stated that there is a "bald statistical fact that
murderers are less likely to kill _again_, than those who have never
killed a first time." Tell me, gentle reader... would you rather your
neighbor be someone who has never killed before or someone who
has killed before??)
(Desmond Coughlan stated "The bottom line here is that NO ONE HAS THE
RIGHT TO KILL." Thus disavowing the "right to life-threatening
self-defense")
(Desmond Coughlan stated "In fact, I don't even believe in God" How
times have changed for the new-found Torah thumper)
(Desmond Coughlan insisted it was "irrelevant" that the Jews were
innocent and murderers had committed murder, in respect to the Shoah
and the death penalty for murderers)
(Desmond Coughlan stated "I don't believe in God ... but I was 'born
Jewish.")
(Desmond Coughlan screamed "No one is 'BORN' (sic) a Jew, you
spagmerchant.")
And here we go -- I will now include just a few of the racist words
that Desmond has used in the past, while I have previously avoided
repeating his words because they are so offensive to me.
Desmond Coughlan has stated --
1) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausl�nder."
2) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the
word 'jigaboo'"
3) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost
'jigaboo' buttocks"
4) "then we cut overseas aid because after all, they're 'only
niggers'"
5) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho ...) or
not."
6) "Say, LDB ... how come your "ass" [sic] is so jigaboo these days ?
..".
7) "lynched any "niggers" lately?"
8) "Look, Chuck, the murdering niggers"
9) "or 'niggers' as they're called in his neck of the woods"
10) "as Jigsaw would call them, 'niggers'"
11) "Down there, the good ol' boys don't like them niggas comin' in
from South America an' stealin' tha wimmyn, and causin' all that
crime" Hey, QZD... see any quotation marks around his use of
that word?
12) "'wogs out, pakis out, Kikes out'."
13) "'Wow, did you see the way that nigga bucked when my slugs hit 'im
..?!'"
14) "I'm just a 'kike', after all. Right?"
Plus 243 other uses of the word "kike," while posting as "Yitzhak"
15) "as the 'onery ragheads' * that are Arabs,"
16) "not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either, other than
that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'."
17) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ..."
See any quotation marks around that word, QZD? I didn't think so.
18) "'What the fuck, it's only ragheads'"
19) I live in an abolitionist jurisdiction, and have not committed
murder (other than those 17 prostitutes whose blood I drank, but they
were all 'ragheads'"
20) "simply because "dem niggas won't stop killin' folks!!""
21) "France (the Greatest Country on the Face of the Earth, BTW) did
not 'lose' the match against those jigaboo (*snigger*) upstarts, QZD."
22) "'if nigga's wanna eat, nigga's gotta work'"
23) "another nigga fry's (sic), ah'm glad!"
24) "Why pass up the opportunity for a spell of 'nigga-baitin'', eh?"
25) "lambasting those 'nigga bastards who take dem "American"
[sic] jobs', eh?"
26) "she's not an Iraqi, so you can't call her a 'nigga'."
27) "like them in 'backwoods "America" [sic]' don't decide to 'do
somethin' about that there nigga in power'"
28) "'evil, thievin' murderin' nigga bastids'"
29) "I cream in my pants when they execute a dumbfuck nigga fry
black fucker, fry !!"
30) "it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell of
sausage out of the bloody bottles"
31) "Iraq is ruled by 'filthy ragheads.'"
32) "Arab cunts"
33) "Indeed, perhaps if the floods that are presently threatening
Germany, had been controlled before they swept across into Europe,
from the Czech Republic and Poland, then this fair continent would
have been saved the same fate as the smelly 'auslanders'.
34) Still, convictions can be spent, and my wife's just a smelly
Ausl�nder ... not a smelly jigaboo Ausl�nder"
Oh... and hundreds upon hundreds more of racist slurs from Desmond
Coughlan.
In sum... Desmond Coughlan is --
As. Dumb. As. Crotch. Rot. and One. Sick. Motherfucker.
And now... in the end sum... after the evidence is in... how well
we see who and what Desmond Coughlan REALLY is!! As when
a thick fog breathes... consuming our own air... and our world
darkens into night... And lightning criss-crosses the sky... the
monster casts his shadow across the face of the moon.
Desmond, the monster....riding astride that pale horse of death...
the hate of Men for other Men... bursts out of his lair in the belly
of the beast... and in violent and uncontrollable rage shrieks out
his racist and anti-Semitic fury. Snarling at any mention of the
'human rights' of the Jews. The monster Desmond Coughlan -- with
yellowed eyes... putrid mucus oozing from his nostrils... facial
features distorted in cruelty... the soles of his feet on fire from
the brimstone... all of his joints twitching in spasms.... and the
acrid odor of sulfur on his breath -- places his waxen seal of racism
upon any mention of MLK... his waxen seal of 'legality' upon the
murder of the Jews... and in its shear hideousness... stealthily
and despicably hides the truth of the Shoah into the folds of his
blood-red cape, insisting it "never happened," and even if it did...
he insists it was "not evil."
Poor Desmond....
And finally Gentle reader --
Was this a harsh analysis of poor Desmond Coughlan? Of course!
Life can be harsh. But was this a fair analysis of poor Desmond
Coughlan? Again... of course! He is to be pitied... naturally...
but that does not mean we must be blind to his aberrant and
perverted mental behavior. If each of us can just drop a little
pebble of reason into the swelling river of his hate, and change one
slight ripple of that hate... our work on this planet.. in this vast
universe... has not been in vain.
Now, Desmond Coughlan, a piece of free advice, sincerely meant.
We all know that you are as strong as an bull, and every bit as smart.
So while I've enjoyed kicking the living shit out of you here on the
group all these years, with you reacting violently to every wave of
that red cape I've used on you, you really never presented an
intellectual challenge, although as like in the bull ring, I sometimes
feared you would do me some physical harm. Especially when you
called my home in that intimidation attempt. It's probably not very
nice of me - but it's been more fun than you can imagine!! However, I
do have to recognize the help you've given me in my immensely
pleasurable task, by your quite breathtaking stupidity, which is so
prodigious it insults morons to call you a "moron." I've had more fun
exposing your character than knocking on a pi�ata constructed of
tissue paper filled with hundred dollar bills inside.
And I laughed... and I laughed... and I laughed... And I laughed...
and I laughed... and I laughed... And I laughed... and I laughed...
and I laughed... And I laughed... and I laughed... and I laughed...
Well... you get the idea.
Goodbye for the moment, fuckwit... next time don't make it so easy for
me.
A Jew deconstructing desmond coughlan
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
Bonus Questions for the gentle reader to ponder --
Given the vast diversity of biological forms of life on this planet,
why is it that only one species has emerged with the ability to
communicate through grammatically designed spoken and written
languages?
While if there are forms of life other than homo Sapiens that exist
elsewhere in the universe on planets having the same environmental
condition that exist on earth, why have those life forms not evolved
on earth given this vast diversity of biological life on earth?
A Jew deconstructing desmond coughlan
>Y.
Planet Visitor II
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
While Hitler wasn't Christian - is your argument supposed to explain
why Muslims are committing murder today, or an excuse for them to
commit murder today? Trying to put the _blame on Hitler_ for the
murders that Muslims are committing today is pretty pathetic,
Mitchell, even for you. And makes even your past support for Muslim
murderers pale.
> Islam does not have a monopoly on murderous
>religious fanatics.
Well, gee... is that the defense Major Hasan is going to offer?? Let's
see... Major Hasan's lawyer will remind the court that there
were two or three lunatics who have murdered abortion doctors,
while calling it Christianity, and thus we must excuse Major Hasan for
murdering 13 innocent people, calling out "Allahu Akbar," in the name
of Islamic jihad.
Oh, wait... a "Christian" murderer is now on trial for murder.
No excuse there.
How about the 150 Muslims murdered by other Muslims last week
in Baghdad? How about the 24 Muslims murdered by other Muslims
yesterday in Pakistan?
Islam may not a monopoly on murderous religious fanatics but they
sure look like they are coming closer to it every day. Considering
9/11, London, Madrid, Bali, just about everywhere in Africa... etc...
etc... etc. And the monstrous killing of Muslim by Muslim in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
> So someone who went to church in his youth and who even went to a
> school run by a church is of that religion for their entire lives?
Core values. Hitler was Austrian. Today (5%) and certainly then Austria
had few protestant and has to be considered culturally, like France,
Catholic. He obviously rejected Christianity but for me the issue
is his cultural foundation, what shaped his attitudes.
He presented himself as a protector of cultural traditions
"He used his "ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church
leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity"
He himself stated----
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs)
For example, on March 23, 1933, he addressed the Reichstag: "The National
Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and
Protestantism) as factors essential to the soul of the German people. ... We
hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in
the moral uplift of most of the German people."[10] At one point he
described his religious status: "I am now as before a Catholic and will
always remain so."
"According to Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic
Church until his death"
So the argument is over and you lost, once again.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
IMO, history exists to educate us as to what we did wrong or right in
the past so we might not repeat it if it was wrong and repeat it if it
was right. Not only as individuals, but as an entire species, as part
of evolution.
That being said... Islam has learned nothing from their past
atrocities or the past Christian atrocities. Islam continues to
believe in "holy war." War for nothing but the sake of religion.
So one either believes that "holy war" is "right" in today's world or
that it is not, based upon the "holy wars" of the past. IMO, far too
many non-Muslims seem to support the argument of Islamic "holy
war" being far from "wrong," but actually a sort of "revenge" by Islam
over events in the past. A "we've got it coming to us," kind of
deprecation of western civilization mentality.
Finally, there is no question that Islam in the Middle East sees the
extermination of the Jews and the state of Israel as a "holy war,"
and a "holy obligation" of all Muslims, and there are also many
European non-Muslims who actually buy into the argument that
such a "holy war" is totally valid because of a claim that _the Jews
stole sacred land given to the Arabs by Allah for eternity_.
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