Answer to Evleth's question about Obama birth certificate controversy deleted by Evleth
PJ O'Donovan
> How is the birth certificate war going, are you kooks
> still backing off?
> Earl Evleth
Since you brought up I did a little search to update myself on current
developments, Evleth.
here is some evidence of much more of that "backing off" that you
perceive, Evleth
OBAMA ELIGIBILITY ISSSUE MUST BE RESOLVED SOON
By: Devvy
March 14, 2009
© 2008 - NewsWithViews.com
Excerpts:
"....Millions (not a thousand or a hundred thousand), but millions of
Americans either know a lot about the Obama citizenship/birth
certificate controversy or they know enough that it has raised serious
questions in their mind.....
....The issue of whether or not Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro
aka and so forth, is badly dividing this country. The frustration and
rage is escalating.....
...another lawsuit filed on Monday, four on Wednesday, maybe three the
following week. Then comes the endless wait while the defendants
respond and the legal wrangling begins. When those fail in seven or
eight weeks, a new round of lawsuits gets filed .....
...Obama has controlled the birth certificate issue from day one. He
continues to do so. This keeps all of us wondering, filing Freedom of
Information Act requests and lawsuits. I think even to the most
staunch Obama supporter, it's obvious by now that Obama refuses to
release his vault birth certificate because he has something to
hide......"
Mitchell Holman
cd53ae...@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
Forget Obama and track his mother. If she was in Kenya
when he was born then there is a paper trail of passports
and visas to prove it. So prove it.
PJ O'Donovan
> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xent...@aol.com> wrote in news:765ff634-6d0f-4094-97eb-
> cd53ae272...@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
Barack Obama's stepmother living in Bracknell reveals the close bond
with him ... and his mother....
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_01/keziaMS0501_228x349.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_01/barackMS0501_468x380.jpg
",,,,Barack Sr, a Muslim, would go on to marry two more women -
Barack
Jr's mother Ann Dunham, an American he met during a scholarship to
the
United States, and an American teacher called Ruth.
But it was Kezia who remained his one true love and to whom he always
returned.
Strangely, Kezia and Ann became great friends, writing to each other
often.
So when Ann died of breast cancer in 1995, it was Kezia who formed
the
link to Barack's past;........
"We have seen each other many times since that first visit, in the
US,
in Kenya and in England. I was very fond of Barack Jr's mother, Ann.
"She came to Kenya after Barack Snr died and she and I became great
friends. She was like a sister to me."....."
So it "appears", Holman, that Obama's mother had been to Kenya.
There is more here covering the possibility of Obama's mother's
possible connection to Kenya for you to chew on:
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=672
All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his AUTHENTIC
birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have and this
confusion could be cleared up.
Why doesn't your ObaMESSiah do that, Holman?
Earl Evleth
Xns9BCE5033836F5...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xen...@aol.com> wrote in news:765ff634-6d0f-4094-97eb-
> cd53ae...@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> "....Millions (not a thousand or a hundred thousand), but millions of
>> Americans either know a lot about the Obama citizenship/birth
>> certificate controversy or they know enough that it has raised serious
>> questions in their mind.....
Kooks, the Limbaugh brainless.
> Forget Obama and track his mother. If she was in Kenya
> when he was born then there is a paper trail of passports
> and visas to prove it. So prove it.
I just finished Obama's book, "Dreams of my Father", which made
Obama a rich man. His history is revealed there. I don't remember
reading that his mother had ever been in Kenya. And except from
the kook crowd it doesn't come up. What did comme up in the book
was that the Obama's grandfather did not want him marrying a white woman
since they would not understand about Obama (pere) already having a wife
in Kenya, and went through at least another on after his
return, Ruth, another white woman. Obama had a large number
of half brothers and sisters, and an extended family was
beyond belief.
Another feature of the book is that Obama is a lot closer to his
African heritage than was indicated during the election
compaign. He has visited Kenya a number of times, partly
in quest of his father's past, a man he never really knew.
He knew his Indonesian step father better but is what
his white grandparents whom he knew best, besides his
mother.
None of these men were good role models, most of the women
were. The most influential women were his mother, her
mother and apparently most recently his wife. These had
a positive influence. That fact that these men were not
particularly successes in life have driven him to succeed.
He was not going to repeat their failures.
Why the name of the book "Dreams of my Father" still confuses
me. That those dreams were not realized may be the reason.
Obama himself is out to realize dreams, not just to
dream them but to realize them. His campaign slogan, "yes we can"
seem to underline that.
Whatever, it is pleasant, for a change, to have a person in
the White House who thinks about important things, and does
things.
Did anybody see David Brooks article today. As a conservative
he would like to attack Obama. But he does not do so below
********
March 13, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
ŚNo Picnic for Me Eitherą
By DAVID BROOKS
In his education speech this week, Barack Obama retold a by-now familiar
story. When he was a boy, his mother would wake him up at 4:30 to tutor him
for a few hours before he went off to school. When young Barry complained
about getting up so early, his mother responded: łThis is no picnic for me
either, Buster.˛
That experience was the perfect preparation for reforming American
education because it underlines the two traits necessary for academic
success: relationships and rigor. The young Obama had a loving relationship
with an adult passionate about his future. He also had at least one teacher,
his mom, disinclined to put up with any crap.
The reform vision Obama sketched out in his speech flows from that
experience. The Obama approach would make it more likely that young
Americans grow up in relationships with teaching adults. It would expand
nurse visits to disorganized homes. It would improve early education. It
would extend the school year. Most important, it would increase merit pay
for good teachers (the ones who develop emotional bonds with students) and
dismiss bad teachers (the ones who treat students like cattle to be
processed).
Weąve spent years working on ways to restructure schools, but what matters
most is the relationship between one student and one teacher. You ask a kid
who has graduated from high school to list the teachers who mattered in his
life, and he will reel off names. You ask a kid who dropped out, and he will
not even understand the question. Relationships like that are beyond his
experience.
In his speech, Obama actually put more emphasis on the other side of the
equation: rigor. In this context, that means testing and accountability.
Thanks in part to No Child Left Behind, weąre a lot better at measuring
each studentąs progress. Today, tests can tell you which students are on
track and which arenąt. They can tell you which teachers are bringing their
studentsą achievement up by two grades in a single year and which are
bringing their studentsą levels up by only half a grade. They can tell you
which education schools produce good teachers and which do not.
New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein has data showing that progress
on tests between the third and eighth grades powerfully predicts high school
graduation rates years later ‹ a clear demonstration of the importance of
these assessments.
The problem is that as our ability to get data has improved, the education
establishmentąs ability to evade the consequences of data has improved, too.
Most districts donąt use data to reward good teachers. States have watered
down their proficiency standards so parents think their own schools are much
better than they are.
As Education Secretary Arne Duncan told me, łWeąve seen a race to the
bottom. States are lying to children. They are lying to parents. Theyąre
ignoring failure, and thatąs unacceptable. We have to be fierce.˛
Obamaąs goal is to make sure results have consequences. He praises data
sets that łtell us which students had which teachers so we can assess whatąs
working and whatąs not.˛ He also aims to reward states that use data to make
decisions. He will build on a Bush program that gives states money for merit
pay so long as they measure teachers based on real results. He will reward
states that expand charter schools, which are drivers of innovation, so long
as they use data to figure out which charters are working.
The administration also will give money to states like Massachusetts that
have rigorous proficiency standards. The goal is to replace the race to the
bottom with a race to the top, as states are compelled to raise their
standards if they hope to get federal money.
In short, Obama hopes to change incentives so districts do the effective
and hard things instead of the easy and mediocre things. The question is
whether he has the courage to follow through. Many doubt he does. They point
to the way the president has already caved in on the D.C. vouchers case.
Democrats in Congress just killed an experiment that gives 1,700 poor
Washington kids school vouchers. They even refused to grandfather in the
kids already in the program, so those children will be ripped away from
their mentors and friends. The idea was to cause maximum suffering, and 58
Senators voted for it.
Obama has, in fact, been shamefully quiet about this. But in the next weeks
heąll at least try to protect the kids now in the program. And more broadly,
thereąs reason for hope. Education is close to his heart. He has broken with
liberal orthodoxy on school reform more than any other policy. Heąs
naturally inclined to be data driven. Thereąs reason to think that this
weekąs impressive speech will be followed by real and potentially historic
action.
Runge14
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news:C5E16DD3.161AD4%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> By DAVID BROOKS
>
>
> In his education speech this week, Barack Obama retold a by-now familiar
> story. When he was a boy, his mother would wake him up at 4:30 to tutor
> him
> for a few hours before he went off to school. When young Barry complained
> either, Buster.²
>
> That experience was the perfect preparation for reforming American
> education because it underlines the two traits necessary for academic
> success: relationships and rigor. The young Obama had a loving
> relationship
> with an adult passionate about his future. He also had at least one
> teacher,
> his mom, disinclined to put up with any crap.
>
> The reform vision Obama sketched out in his speech flows from that
> experience. The Obama approach would make it more likely that young
> Americans grow up in relationships with teaching adults. It would expand
> nurse visits to disorganized homes. It would improve early education. It
> would extend the school year. Most important, it would increase merit pay
> for good teachers (the ones who develop emotional bonds with students) and
> dismiss bad teachers (the ones who treat students like cattle to be
> processed).
>
> most is the relationship between one student and one teacher. You ask a
> kid
> who has graduated from high school to list the teachers who mattered in
> his
> life, and he will reel off names. You ask a kid who dropped out, and he
> will
> not even understand the question. Relationships like that are beyond his
> experience.
>
> In his speech, Obama actually put more emphasis on the other side of the
> equation: rigor. In this context, that means testing and accountability.
>
> each studentıs progress. Today, tests can tell you which students are on
> track and which arenıt. They can tell you which teachers are bringing
> their
> studentsı achievement up by two grades in a single year and which are
> bringing their studentsı levels up by only half a grade. They can tell you
> which education schools produce good teachers and which do not.
>
> New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein has data showing that progress
> on tests between the third and eighth grades powerfully predicts high
> school
> graduation rates years later < a clear demonstration of the importance of
> these assessments.
>
> The problem is that as our ability to get data has improved, the education
> too.
> Most districts donıt use data to reward good teachers. States have watered
> down their proficiency standards so parents think their own schools are
> much
> better than they are.
>
> bottom. States are lying to children. They are lying to parents. Theyıre
> ignoring failure, and thatıs unacceptable. We have to be fierce.²
>
> Obamaıs goal is to make sure results have consequences. He praises data
> sets that ³tell us which students had which teachers so we can assess
> whatıs
> working and whatıs not.² He also aims to reward states that use data to
> decisions. He will build on a Bush program that gives states money for
> merit
> pay so long as they measure teachers based on real results. He will reward
> states that expand charter schools, which are drivers of innovation, so
> long
> as they use data to figure out which charters are working.
>
> The administration also will give money to states like Massachusetts that
> have rigorous proficiency standards. The goal is to replace the race to
> the
> bottom with a race to the top, as states are compelled to raise their
> standards if they hope to get federal money.
>
> In short, Obama hopes to change incentives so districts do the effective
> and hard things instead of the easy and mediocre things. The question is
> whether he has the courage to follow through. Many doubt he does. They
> point
> to the way the president has already caved in on the D.C. vouchers case.
>
> Democrats in Congress just killed an experiment that gives 1,700 poor
> Washington kids school vouchers. They even refused to grandfather in the
> kids already in the program, so those children will be ripped away from
> their mentors and friends. The idea was to cause maximum suffering, and 58
> Senators voted for it.
>
> Obama has, in fact, been shamefully quiet about this. But in the next
> weeks
> broadly,
> thereıs reason for hope. Education is close to his heart. He has broken
> with
> liberal orthodoxy on school reform more than any other policy. Heıs
> naturally inclined to be data driven. Thereıs reason to think that this
> weekıs impressive speech will be followed by real and potentially historic
> action.
>
>
>
Mitchell Holman
1f2ef6...@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
Yada yada yada.
Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
>
> There is more here covering the possibility of Obama's mother's
> possible connection to Kenya for you to chew on:
>
> http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=672
>
> All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his AUTHENTIC
> birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have and this
> confusion could be cleared up.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.jpg
P J O'donovan
>
> > All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his AUTHENTIC
> > birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have and this
> > confusion could be cleared up.
> > PJ
>
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.jpg
> Mitchwell Holman
Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
December 3, 2008
Earl Evleth
af3f97b9-8789-41a3...@t7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, "P J
O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com> wrote:
> Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
> December 3, 2008
Where is that, exactly?
Mitchell Holman
news:af3f97b9-8789-41a3...@t7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> > All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his AUTHENTIC
>> > birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have and this
>> > confusion could be cleared up.
>
>> > PJ
>
>
>
>
>
> Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
>
> Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
<crickets> from Jiggy.
>
>>
> http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.jp
> g
>
>> Mitchwell Holman
>
> Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
> December 3, 2008
First you claim the birth certificate never has been
released and then you claim it HAS been released, and
examined, and proved to be forgery.
Which is it, Jiggy?
P J O'donovan
The document you provided a link to has been attacked as a forgery by
forensic professional here:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
Mitchell Holman
> On Mar 14, 10:17 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
>> innews:af3f97b9-8789-41a3-8fe2-eb
> f06d9...@t7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his
>> >> > AUTHENTIC birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have
>> >> > and this confusion could be cleared up.
>>
>> >> > PJ
>>
>> > Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
>>
>> > Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
>>
>> <crickets> from Jiggy.
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.
>> >jp
>> > g
>>
>> >> Mitchwell Holman
>>
>> > Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
>> > December 3, 2008
>>
>> First you claim the birth certificate never has been
>> released and then you claim it HAS been released, and
>> examined, and proved to be forgery.
>>
>> Which is it, Jiggy?
>
> The document you provided a link to has been attacked as a forgery by
> forensic professional here:
If it wasn't released how can it have been examined?
P J O'donovan
> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote innews:360b7c27-3c5d-409b...@e38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 10:17 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
> >> innews:af3f97b9-8789-41a3-8fe2-eb
>
> >> >> > All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his
> >> >> > AUTHENTIC birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have
> >> >> > and this confusion could be cleared up.
>
> >> >> > PJ
>
> >> > Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
>
> >> > Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
>
> >> <crickets> from Jiggy.
>
> >> >http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.
> >> >jp
> >> > g
>
> >> >> Mitchwell Holman
>
> >> > Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
> >> > December 3, 2008
>
> >> First you claim the birth certificate never has been
> >> released and then you claim it HAS been released, and
> >> examined, and proved to be forgery.
>
> >> Which is it, Jiggy?
>
> > The document you provided a link to has been attacked as a forgery by
> > forensic professional here:
>
> If it wasn't released how can it have been examined?
This is what the forensic professional claiming forgery on the
document you presented as evidence stated along those lines , Holman:
"...Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical
certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good
certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis...."
source:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusi...
Mitchell Holman
> On Mar 14, 11:12 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
>> innews:360b7c27-3c5d-409b-b982-a8
> e2c81...@e38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 14, 10:17 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
>> >> innews:af3f97b9-8789-41a3-8fe2-eb
>> > f06d9eb...@t7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> >> > All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his
>> >> >> > AUTHENTIC birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to
>> >> >> > have and this confusion could be cleared up.
>>
>> >> >> > PJ
>>
>> >> > Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
>>
>> >> > Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
>>
>> >> <crickets> from Jiggy.
Well? Where is your proof that Obama was born in Kenya?
>>
>> >> >http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthce
>> >> >rt. jp
>> >> > g
>>
>> >> >> Mitchwell Holman
>>
>> >> > Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
>> >> > December 3, 2008
>>
>> >> First you claim the birth certificate never has been
>> >> released and then you claim it HAS been released, and
>> >> examined, and proved to be forgery.
>>
>> >> Which is it, Jiggy?
>>
>> > The document you provided a link to has been attacked as a forgery
>> > by forensic professional here:
>>
>> If it wasn't released how can it have been examined?
>
> This is what the forensic professional claiming forgery on the
> document you presented as evidence stated along those lines , Holman:
>
>
> "...Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical
> certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good
> certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis...."
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
November 1, 2008
HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday
released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama
birth certificate.
The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's
birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release
the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.
There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father
is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural
born citizen of the U.S.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along
with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority
to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally
seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has
Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance
with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
-------------------------
Case closed. Now go back to your Elvis sightings.
Donna Evleth
> From: "P J O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups:
> alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Answer to Evleth's question about Obama birth certificate
> controversy deleted by Evleth
I couldn't get this site to come up. However, any site that calls itself
"atlasshrugs" can hardly claim to be politically unbiased.
Donna Evleth
>
Mitchell Holman
news:C5E2A0E3.7A6FD%dev...@wanadoo.fr:
>
>
>> From: "P J O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com>
>> Organization: http://groups.google.com
>> Newsgroups:
>> alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.pol
>> itics Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: Answer to Evleth's question about Obama birth
>> certificate controversy deleted by Evleth
>>
>> On Mar 14, 11:12 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
>>> innews:360b7c27-3c5d-409b...@e38g2000yqa.googlegroups.
>>> com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 14, 10:17 am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> "P J O'donovan" <grau...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> innews:af3f97b9-8789-41a3-8fe2-eb
>>>> f06d9eb...@t7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>>>>>> All Obama has to do is to pay the 10 bucks to release his
>>>>>>>> AUTHENTIC birth certificate the State of Hawaii claims to have
>>>>>>>> and this confusion could be cleared up.
>>>
>>>>>>>> PJ
>>>
>>>>>> Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961.
>>>
>>>>>> Show us the proof his mother was in Kenya at that time.
>>>
>>>>> <crickets> from Jiggy.
>>>
>>>>>> http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthce
>>>>>> rt. jp
>>>>>> g
>>>
>>>>>>> Mitchwell Holman
>>>
>>>>>> Obama Certificate of Live Birth Forgery Exposed
>>>>>> December 3, 2008
>>>
>>>>> First you claim the birth certificate never has been
>>>>> released and then you claim it HAS been released, and
>>>>> examined, and proved to be forgery.
>>>
>>>>> Which is it, Jiggy?
>>>
>>>> The document you provided a link to has been attacked as a forgery
>>>> by forensic professional here:
>>>
>>> If it wasn't released how can it have been examined?
>>
>> This is what the forensic professional claiming forgery on the
>> document you presented as evidence stated along those lines , Holman:
>>
>>
>> "...Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical
>> certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good
>> certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis...."
>>
>> source:
>>
>> http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusi.
>> ..
>
> I couldn't get this site to come up. However, any site that calls
> itself "atlasshrugs" can hardly claim to be politically unbiased.
Libertarian kooks on parade.
P J O'donovan
Regardless of the smoke you are trying to throw out on this issue,
Holman, Obama for some reason refuses to authorize release an
AUTHENTIC vaulted copy of his birth certificate.
Indeed the only release of a computer generated "CERTIFICATION OF
LIVE BIRTH" has been provided and that document has been attacked by
forensic professionals as being a forgery.
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
"... The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-
form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and
includes additional information such as birth weight and parents'
hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a
database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth
record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of
your long-form birth certificate....."
Obama Show Us Your Birth certificate
"...In fact, the only document provided by Mr. Obama thus far is a
2007 computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, ("COLB"),
generated by officials of the state of Hawaii, purportedly at the
direction of the Governor and two U.S. Senators.
This "short-form" document is NOT the same as the original vault copy
(i.e., "Certificate of Live Birth") as it does not bear a sworn
certification of an attendant (physician) or contain other vital birth
information such as hospital location, mother's age, etc. The sample
vault copy shown here is a copy of a legal "Certificate of Live Birth"
obtained at the request of a person born in Hawaii in 1963.
Given the statement of facts included in Mr. Berg's lawsuit and
additional evidence summarized herein, Mr. Obama's continued failure
to squarely address this festering issue suggests he is hiding
something regarding the true nature of his citizenship. Absent a
rebuttal by Mr. Obama, we believe a reasonable jury would conclude,
after reviewing all the evidence, that Mr. Obama does not meet the
eligibility requirements...."
Judge dismisses Obama lawsuit over lack of standing
By Linda Bentley | October 29, 2008
"...In another lawsuit, author Andy Martin filed an emergency motion
in the U.S. District Court in Hawaii on Oct. 17 for an order to show
cause against Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle and Dr. Chiyome Fukino,
director, Hawaii Department of Health, after his request for a
certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate was denied due to Hawaii’s
confidentiality statutes.
Martin said there is “intense national interest in access to an
officially certified copy of the birth certificate in question …”
Following Obama’s one-day trip to Hawaii last Thursday to visit his
“deathly ill” grandmother, Lingle placed Obama’s birth records under
seal and instructed the Hawaii Department of Health, under no
condition may it provide access to the original document unless Obama
authorizes it to be released.*
The department of health asserts it has not received any such
authorization, neither from Obama nor from anyone else acting
officially on his behalf, which confirms the “official” birth
certificates posted on www.fightthesmears.com, www. factcheck.com and
elsewhere on the Internet were indeed all fake...."
"1. Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally)
for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth
certificate on file in the Department of Health.
A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage:
"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the
Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in
Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department
of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to
adopted children).
B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by
a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.
C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state
births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been
recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and
presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.
D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is
subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.
E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of
certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.
F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a
certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its
homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your
application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the
original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green.
This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of
Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original
Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the
computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by
DHHL." .
Earl Evleth
59ef50be-3d71-4288...@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "P J
O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com> wrote:
> The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
It has been authenticated.
P J O'donovan
> "atlasshrugs" can hardly claim to be politically unbiased.
>
> Donna Evleth
>
>
Of course not, Ms Donna and as such "Atlas Shrugged" becomes a nemesis
to be denigrated in the mentality of the Left Wing Whacko.
Is Rand Relevant?
MARCH 14, 2009
Excerpt:
"Ayn Rand died more than a quarter of a century ago, yet her name
appears regularly in discussions of our current economic turmoil.
Pundits including Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santelli urge listeners to
read her books, and her magnum opus, "Atlas Shrugged," is selling at a
faster rate today than at any time during its 51-year history. There's
a reason. In "Atlas," Rand tells the story of the U.S. economy
crumbling under the weight of crushing government interventions and
regulations. Meanwhile, blaming greed and the free market, Washington
responds with more controls that only deepen the crisis. Sound
familiar?..."
Earl Evleth
2748194d-f5a4-4978...@p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com, "P J
O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com> wrote:
> Ayn Rand
A KOOK WHO GAVE US GREENSPAN TYPES WHO SCREW UP THE AMERICAN ECONOMY
USING DOCTRINAIRE CAPITALISM
P J O'donovan
>
> It has been authenticated.
> Earl Evleth
Sure, Evleth,sure.
Hawaii Supreme Court Refuses Obama’s Birth Certificate Release ...
Oct 23, 2008 ... Supreme Court Refuses to Order Release of Obama’s
Original Birth Certificate.......
Donna Evleth
> From: "P J O'donovan" <gra...@aol.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups:
> alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Answer to Evleth's question about Obama birth certificate
> controversy deleted by Evleth
>
And all of what you have stated here doesn't indicate political bias? Give
me a break - it indicates bias on the right. There is nothing wrong with
this - as long as you state it. You didn't. Not doing this makes your
claims to objectivity as phony as your name.
Donna Evleth
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123698976776126461.html#
John Rennie
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:C5E32104.7A73D%dev...@wanadoo.fr...
It is really is excruciatingly funny when peejay starts quoting from
articles that he barely understands. The American economy is on its knees
not from "crumbling under the weight of crushing government interventions
and regulations" but from the LACK of intervention and regulation which can
be blamed on both Republican and Democrat policies for the past 30 years.
z
I have still not received my copy of George Bush's birth certificate.
I therefore must conclude that he was in fact a sleeper agent planted
in the US long ago by the Soviets to destroy the US; and despite the
Soviet Union collapsing in the interim, he completed his mission.
z
>
> I couldn't get this site to come up. However, any site that calls itself
> "atlasshrugs" can hardly claim to be politically unbiased.
hey, atlas shrugs, and i don't give a damn about these idiots and
their obsessive windmill tilting either.
z
Of course, I see it all now; his mother, attending classses, taking
exams, etc. at University of Hawaii for most of her pregnancy, takes
off for Kenya after finals, although she is 8 months pregnant, in
order to give birth in the advanced maternity hospitals of Kenya, then
rushes back home with the less than one month old baby in time for her
next school year, but does so secretly without leaving any sort of
record of travel or passport or visa. A damned clever plan, if you ask
me. And she thought nobody would suspect a thing; but you can't put
one over on the American Rightwing!
Earl Evleth
8a12f87a-acaa-4a78...@41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "z"
<gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> I have still not received my copy of George Bush's birth certificate.
In fact I never had my own until 20 years ago, I needed it
to apply for French citizenship. So I got through the first
nearly 60 years of my life without a birth certificate, an official one.
I did have a copy of the hospital certificate with my baby
footprints on it but the French bureaucracy treated that
as a "bidon" document. Anyway when I finally got my birth
certificate I found that my family name was misspelled.
The French were more tolerant of that fact.
Imagine what the American birth certificate nuts
would do if Obama's certificate had an error on it?
It would be "grab and run" time.
z
>
> <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> > I have still not received my copy of George Bush's birth certificate.
>
> In fact I never had my own until 20 years ago, I needed it
> to apply for French citizenship. So I got through the first
> nearly 60 years of my life without a birth certificate, an official one.
>
> I did have a copy of the hospital certificate with my baby
> footprints on it but the French bureaucracy treated that
> as a "bidon" document. Anyway when I finally got my birth
> certificate I found that my family name was misspelled.
> The French were more tolerant of that fact.
>
> Imagine what the American birth certificate nuts
> would do if Obama's certificate had an error on it?
> It would be "grab and run" time.
same here; i tried to get a copy of my birth certificate for a
passport and ended up with just a "certificate of birth" short form,
where i discovered that my middle name was spelled wrong. worked fine
to get a passport.
i think the onus is on the birthcertificatesniffers to explain just
how obama got a passport if he wasn't born in the USA and was never
naturalized. of course, the onus is on them to prove their own
citizenship before they go after obama because if they aren't
citizens, then they have no standing, and this is too important to let
them slide without proof.
Earl Evleth
81a99475-f6ab-4084...@b16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, "z"
<gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> i think the onus is on the birthcertificatesniffers to explain just
> how obama got a passport if he wasn't born in the USA and was never
> naturalized.
Their approach is to "let no nick go unpicked"
Earl Evleth
Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Their approach is to "let no nick go unpicked"
That should be "let no nit go unpicked"
Nitpicking is a variant of the Chinese Death by a Thousand Cuts.
Nitpicking is, of course, historically surpassed by Goebble's
big lie technique, if you tell a lie over and over, it
becomes the truth. It is a form of brain washing, dear
to the heart of PJ.
deconstructing Earl Evleth
wrote:
>On 16/03/09 4:07, in article
>8a12f87a-acaa-4a78...@41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "z"
><gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>
>> I have still not received my copy of George Bush's birth certificate.
>
>In fact I never had my own until 20 years ago, I needed it
>to apply for French citizenship. So I got through the first
>nearly 60 years of my life without a birth certificate, an official one.
>
>I did have a copy of the hospital certificate with my baby
>footprints on it but the French bureaucracy treated that
>as a "bidon" document. Anyway when I finally got my birth
>certificate I found that my family name was misspelled.
>The French were more tolerant of that fact.
The last refuge of the scoundrel are anecdotes.
<clipped>
This is delicious... Earl and his hypocrisy at their finest.
deconstructing Earl Evleth
http://alt-activism-death-penalty.info/dictionary.html
deconstructing Earl Evleth
wrote:
>On 14/03/09 13:52, in article
>Xns9BCE5033836F5...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
><noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xen...@aol.com> wrote in news:765ff634-6d0f-4094-97eb-
>> cd53ae...@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>
>>> "....Millions (not a thousand or a hundred thousand), but millions of
>>> Americans either know a lot about the Obama citizenship/birth
>>> certificate controversy or they know enough that it has raised serious
>>> questions in their mind.....
>
>Kooks, the Limbaugh brainless.
>
>> Forget Obama and track his mother. If she was in Kenya
>> when he was born then there is a paper trail of passports
>> and visas to prove it. So prove it.
>
>I just finished Obama's book, "Dreams of my Father", which made
>Obama a rich man.
The last refuge of the scoundrel are anecdotes.
<clipped>
rangotang
nor does it need resolution.
There is nothing in the law or any court decision about what evidence
is necessary to prove someone is a "natural born citizen". Obama
established his citizenship sufficiently with the birth certificate
provided by the Hawaii Health Dept when he became a US Senator, and
when he obtained a US passport. True, neither REQUIRED that he be
born in the US, but the document he used to prove his current
citizenship attested to his birth in Hawaii in 1961 and it was already
enough for the US Senate and the US State Dept.
Someone on this thread said he should pay $10 to the Hawaii Health
Dept. Well, he already did and got that document printed on green
safety paper with an impression seal. According to Hawaii State Law,
that document, issued by the Health Dept recently on computer
equipment is every bit the legal equivalent of whatever may have been
written up (by hand or typewriter) in 1961. No one has even shown
that he could have gotten a different birth document from the Health
Dept than the one he already made public. Further, the Director of
the Hawaii Health Dept went public to say that the document Obama made
public is the real deal (and he said it even though Hawaii had a
Republican governor!). Moreover, someone managed to find birth
announcements for baby Obama in the Honolulu newspapers in August
1961.
As for the confusion about him being born in Kenya: The President is
Barack Obama JUNIOR. His father, Barack Obama SENIOR was born in
Kenya. This seems to be the source of considerable confusion to some
people. However, NOBODY has yet produced a birth certificate from
Kenya (or Indonesia or any other country) for the President. It would
seem to me that, Obama's natural citizenship having already been
accepted by the Congress, the burden of proof is on the persons
denying his status as a natural born citizen; c'mon, show us PROOF
that he was born elsewhere.
While I'm at it, I'd like to remind people that Ronald Reagan refused
to let people see his birth certificate -- he was so superstitious he
thought someone could work up a horoscope if they knew the exact time
of his birth. Nancy Reagan also kept her birth certificate a secret -
because she had been fudging her age. In fact, I doubt anyone could
show us the birth certificates for most of the Presidents of the
United States.
John Rennie
"rangotang" <sussm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:659a69d0-d265-4239...@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
A comprehensive rebuttal of the nonsense generated by posters thinly
disguising their racism that has been made several times before. But it
won't keep idiots like P J O'Donovan from trying their best with their
pitiful lies to
sully Obama. They'll go on for years; they've nothing better to do.
Mitchell Holman
news:Ob6dnX1-g6qOl03U...@giganews.com:
Rightwingers thrive on conspiracies - Fostergate, troopergate,
Kerry-faked-his-medals, Hillary as a lesbian, now Obama-born-in-
Kenya.
Perhaps to deflect from the gaps in their own credibility?
Bush military records destroyed
BBC News
July 10 2004
Documents that could have decided a dispute over President
George W Bush's days in the military 30 years ago have been
destroyed, the Pentagon says. Microfilm containing the pertinent
payroll records for the Texas-based Air National Guard had been
damaged and could not be salvaged, it said.
Democrats have accused the president of ducking the draft call
to Vietnam in favour of less dangerous duties.
The destroyed files included President Bush's pay records for
two three-month periods in 1969 and 1972, a Department of Defence
statement said. "Searches for back-up paper copies of the missing
records were unsuccessful," it added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3880141.stm
Donna Evleth
> From: "John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Newsgroups:
> alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:54:00 +0100
> Subject: Re: Answer to Evleth's question about Obama birth certificate
> controversy deleted by Evleth
>
>
Or perhaps one could say that they don't have the brains to do anything
else.
Donna Evleth
>
>
Actif Toxique du Bilan
> "John Rennie" <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote innews:Ob6dnX1-g6qOl03U...@giganews.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "rangotang" <sussmanb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
Mme Soularde babbles in her gin
B J Foster
>>> The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
>>> PJ
>
>> It has been authenticated.
>
>> Earl Evleth
>
> Sure, Evleth,sure.
>
>
> Oct 23, 2008 ... Supreme Court Refuses to Order Release of Obama�s
> Original Birth Certificate.......
"A WHITE supremacist who shot dead a black guard at a Holocaust museum
in Washington had a notebook of anti-Semitic rants in his car, in which
he denounced Barack Obama as a Jewish puppet".
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25625296-5005961,00.html
One of your friends?