When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
Donna Evleth
state's death row. There were 15 inmates awaiting execution in the
electric chair. He commuted their sentences to life. Here is the list:
THE MEN SPARED BY GOV. ROCKEFELLER
The Arkansas inmates 6 convicted of rape, 9 of murder and 11 black, four
white whose death sentences were commuted to life imprisonment by Gov.
Winthrop Rockefeller in 1970:
Frank Harris: killed in prison in 1981
Allen F. Davis: paroled in 1980, deceased
Orion Trotter: paroled in 1979, on parole
Jerry Johnson: paroled in 1974, discharged his sentence in 1996,
whereabouts unknown
Franklin Bosnick Sr.: paroled in 1987, discharged in 1991, status unknown
Daniel Montgomery: paroled in 1973, later in Missouri Department of
Corrections, status unknown
Clarence Stewart: paroled in 1975, status unknown
Albert Harris: in prison
John Henry Shepard, in prison
Lonnie Brown: paroled in 1974, status unknown
James Williams: died in prison of natural causes in 1993
James Scott: transferred Arkansas time to Missouri, in prison
Lonnie Mitchell: paroled in 1975, died in 1998
Royce Murphy: in prison
William Maxwell: paroled in 1978, status unknown
(source: Dallas Morning News)
As can be seen, none of them went on to murder again. The great irony is
that one of them was himself murdered, in prison.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
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Don't worry, Donna. PV is bound to find that fact
as some sort of justification for not executing him
in the first place.
Rev. Don Kool
You don't know that, Donna. "In prison" could also mean "in prison for
murder". They also could have committed murders that they haven't been
caught for yet. The bottom line is that Justice was not served by this
reckless action.
> The great irony is
> that one of them was himself murdered, in prison.
Well maybe a little Justice was served. :-)
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Don
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prison for having already murdered, that his execution would be
a presumed certainty. Although Donna is only speaking of 9
commuted murderers. What did either you or she hope to prove
using an example of 9? Are you arguing that one can extrapolate
those 9 into 90, and make the same assumption, and it is an
assumption, that none of THEM would commit another murder?
Clearly, if EVEN ONE of them had committed another murder,
Donna would not have even presumed to offer this tidbit, since
that would show a recidivism rate for convicted and commuted
murderers of greater than 11%. Even Earl would agree that a
sample of 9, doesn't prove anything, given that the 10th might
have 'poisoned the argument.'
I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
PV
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Actually I was trying, in my ineffectual way, to crack a joke.
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <bN3Y9.121946$Sa3.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "A Planet
Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
> I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
> concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
>
> PV
Nonetheless, rape was a capital offence in a good many places at that time
and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on for
years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was finally
executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist only,
never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that was the
law in California at the time.
Donna Evleth
Earl Evleth
at dev...@noos.fr wrote on 24/01/03 14:02:
It was declare unconstitutional in 1977 but historically, 455 prisoners,
ninety percent of the Black, were executed for rape. I think is was mostly
a southern crime and of course, lynching served as the main "back up" to
make sure justice was served.
I would think PV would back the death penalty for rape, after all
an executed rapist will never rape again. And there are a lot
of ain't if awful stories too around rape. I don`t understand is
ill-logic.
Earl
Richard J
Chessman was a really wonderful fellow, Donna! He's about what one
expects for a poster boy of abolitionism. In prison most of his adult
life, Chessman was convicted of seventeen individual counts during the
course of his trial from robbery to abduction and rape. The most
compelling evidence was his own confession, which he later recanted
claiming police torture. Convicted under California's so called 'Little
Lindbergh Law', which called for capital punishment in cases of
abduction with bodily harm, Chessman's jury did not recommend mercy, so
he automatically received a death penalty sentence.
As you well know, I would include two categories of felons besides
murderers in the capital punishment system: 1. serial rapists, and 2.
serial pedophiles. I have little sympathy for people like Chessman.
Teflon
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <3E3146DD...@hotmail.com>, Richard J
<ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
I know what Chessman was like. I am a native Californian, and was living in
California in 1960. I have no sympathy for Chessman, either. But as a
principled abolitionist, I also have no sympathy with seeing him executed.
I believe in life in prison for such types. I fully believe they should
never be allowed outside. If you saw my response to Mr. Q. Z. Diablo not
long ago, you know that I am very pessimistic about the chances of
rehabilitating sex criminals. My view on Chessman coincides with that of
Warden Clinton Duffy of San Quentin who knew Chessman well. Duffy was an
abolitionist, but commenting on Chessman, he said:
"I couldn't agree that Chessman expiated his guilt to the extent of allowing
him out of prison. Yet there was a surprisingly strong movement among
reputable citizens to free him. This included thousands who had never seen
him and hundreds who had met him personally. The latter group, who saw
Chessman on his best behavior, flatly refused to believe that he was a
menace. They thought he had seen the error of his ways and would become a
decent, law-abiding member of the community if given another chance.
"They didn't know how wrong they were. They didn't know that Chessman
probably belonged in prison for life. They didn't know that, in the opinion
of psychiatrists who examined him, he had an incurable psychopathic criminal
mind and most likely could never have adjusted himself to the society he
hated so intensely. They didn't know that Chessman, once released, would
almost surely commit another crime that would land him back in prison. I
have no doubt that this would have happened."
(Source: Clinton Duffy, 88 Men and 2 Women, 1962)
Donna Evleth
>
>
>
Richard J
The above being the case, Donna. Why should we allow someone like that
to live? If there was ever an argument for future threat in a convict
and the need for societal self-defense, Duffy presented it.
Teflon
Richard J
> le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:59:57 -0600, dans l'article <3E3146DD...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
>>>>I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
>>>>concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
>>>
>
>>>and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on for
>>>years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was finally
>>>executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist only,
>>>never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that was the
>>>law in California at the time.
>>
>
>>expects for a poster boy of abolitionism. In prison most of his adult
>>life, Chessman was convicted of seventeen individual counts during the
>>course of his trial from robbery to abduction and rape. The most
>>compelling evidence was his own confession, which he later recanted
>>claiming police torture. Convicted under California's so called 'Little
>>Lindbergh Law', which called for capital punishment in cases of
>>abduction with bodily harm, Chessman's jury did not recommend mercy, so
>>he automatically received a death penalty sentence.
>
>
> made an iota of difference. For principled abolitionists, it would not
> matter if the murderer killed our children, our mothers, our wives, before
> sodomising Mother Theresa and sticking red-hot bicycle spokes into the
> Virgin Mary's eyeballs. We _still_ would not support their execution.
> When, ô when, are you going to understand this ?
>
>>As you well know, I would include two categories of felons besides
>>murderers in the capital punishment system: 1. serial rapists, and 2.
>>serial pedophiles. I have little sympathy for people like Chessman.
>
>
> 'blueprint' for an underground prison, as posted a couple of days ago, is
> disappointing.
Why so? If we are going to have LWOP, why shouldn't we put these guys
in the most secure, energy efficient prison possible? Below, you speak
of not wanting them to be released in place of a death penalty. I'm
just answering the question of how I could support LWOP instead of the
death penalty.
We may have to consider downgrading you from 'serious
> retentionist', to 'deathie', if your attempted justification for the
> blatant violation of human rights even for non-lethal offenders, continues.
Be my guest. In your slanders of the 'deathies', you've seldom made
distinctions.
>
> It is often claimed that abolition of the death penalty represents the
> 'thin end of the wedge', and that once we eradicate the death penalty, we
> shall aim for the abolition of life imprisonment, and then of prison
> itself. Whilst I am certainly against the whole idea of 'punishment' when
> all it achieves is to make the aggrieved 'feel good' about himself, the
> above is quite simply a straw man, for I am aware of no other serious
> abolitionist who speaks out against the entire doctrine of punishment as a
> tool of criminal justice systems. However, I cannot help but feel that the
> death penalty for murder is the 'thin end of the wedge' for deathies, and
> that if no opposition from abolitionists were present, that capital
> punishment would soon be extended to other offences, indeed, that it would
> probably never have been limited to murder. You may be sure, for example,
> that Coker v. Georgia would never have come about, had abolitionism as a
> force in human rights defence, not existed. If abolitionists suddenly
> decided that the fight wasn't worth it anymore, and threw in the towel,
> then very soon, the death penalty for rape would become a reality again.
> Then the death penalty for serious assault.
Of course, I could offer a suitable punishment for rapists as well, but
you would think it barbaric, as indeed it is.
Why not ask rape victims how they feel about the punishment, especially
victims of serial rapists. You KNOW how I feel about serial rapists.
In some ways, I think their crime and the crime of pedophile is much
worse than murder. They steal lives just as effectively, but leave
their victims alive to be in pain for the rest of their lives because of
the crime perpetrated upon them.
Then the death penalty for
> ordinary assault. Then the death penalty for stealing. Then the death
> penalty for throwing litter on the street ... _ad infinitum_.
>
> In this respect, there are some definites in the death penalty debate, and
> there are some 'maybes'. One of the 'maybes', and one that certain posters
> around here like to trumpet, is that if certain murderers had not been
> executed, they would have killed again. This can never be anything other
> than a 'maybe', for we cannot be sure that anyone will kill, especially
> considering the bald statistical fact that murderers are less likely to
> kill _again_, than those who have never killed a first time. So you can
> hypothesise that if, for example, Ted Bundy were still alive, then he would
> have claimed new victims. 'Still alive and in gaol', and 'still alive and
> free', however, are two different things, and as he was on death row (i.e.
> in maximum security conditions) for approximately eleven years from the
> time of his arrest in July 1978, to the time of his execution on 24 January
> 1989, without killing a single person, it is safe to assume that a life
> sentence in maximum security, would have ensured public safety. Thus if we
> exclude the possibility of release (and to take California's example, not
> one single 'LWOP' prisoner has escaped or been set free in the past 27
> years), we can say with a high degree of certainty that Ted Bundy would
> _not_ have killed again, if he had been allowed to live, and sentenced to
> life. Thus the theory that 'the execution of Ted Bundy saved lives', is
> now, and forever will be, a 'maybe'.
Just as the assertion by abolitionist that we have executed innocents is
a 'maybe' for the same reason.
Why is it you are willing to offer suppositions backed with some
evidence when they meet your agenda as facts, while you do not wish to
accept the same from others, Desmond?
This is sort of similar to the argument used by the French and others
about Iraq. "Show us the weapons, don't suppose he has them based on
the fact he's bought the materials and isn't cooperating."
Funny what a difference agendas (and political posturing) makes.
>
> On the other hand, a 'definite', is that abolitionism has saved lives, both
> those of the guilty, and those of the innocent. One cannot expect a
> retentionist like you to applaud when the 167 guilty (as far as we know)
> men on Illinois' death row are moved from death row to maximum security,
> and their death sentences overturned _en masse_. Abolitionism saved those
> lives, yet they are legally 'guilty lives', and so I shan't waste time and
> energy asking you to be cheerful about that. However, along with the
> guilty lives, come the innocent ones.
I don't like what Ryan did because I think it an arbitrary act which
sidestepped the will of the people. I really get no pleasure out of the
deaths of murderers or any one else. There are only one or two cases
where I have personal feelings, such as Johnny Penry of Livingston,
Texas. Even then, when he dies, I will derive nothing but satisfaction
at knowing what I believe was a just punishment for him was carried out.
I don't like murderers, and make no bones about it. I seldom feel
little about any human death, however, except a sadness when I miss
those I love who die. The deaths of strangers effect me little, if at
all.
Anthony Porter. Were it not for
> abolitionists, Anthony Porter would be dead. He would have been executed.
> This is not a 'maybe' ... this is a sure, certain, unarguable definite.
> The state wanted to execute Anthony Porter, and if students and a law
> professor from (IIRC) the University of Chicago had not worked night and
> day to prove his innocence, he _would have been executed_. No maybe, no
> perhaps, but a 100% stone-cold, iron-clad certainty. Abolitionism saved
> his life. Abolitionism saved the lives of the other 101 innocents [1]
> whose lives were on the line, for crimes that they did not commit.
Abolitionist? On ALL those cases? Or were three others who simply
sought the truth? The above seems a pretty wide statement to me, Desmond.
>
> You will see, therefore, that the 'net saving' when abolitionism and
> deathieism are compared, is very much weighted towards abolitionism.
> Deathies can say, 'We've saved innocent lives'. Yes, you probably have,
> for some of those executed probably would have killed again. However, this
> is pure _non sequitur_, as no abolitionist worth his salt advocates
> release as an alternative to execution.
Really? You would all like to see them caged until they die?
So the hypothetical lives that
> were 'saved' by executions, would have been saved by abolitionism, too.
The fact , however, is that murderers get paroled and kill, kill while
in prison, and escape and kill again. Properly applied, the death
penalty stops any possibility of those things occurring. Nothing else does.
>
> Abolitionists, on the other hand, can say, 'We have saved innocent lives',
> and no one, from 'God' (sic) downwards, can challenge that.
True. On the other hand, neither can you prove you've found one
innocent executed here since 1973.
>
> Abolitionism holds the high moral ground, Richard. Deathieism, especially
> the brand that you have espoused by advocating killing those who have not
> taken life, is in the gutter. And so it will remain.
>
>
>
> [1] url:http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/Innocentlist.html
Abolition holds one position of the death penalty argument, Desmond.
You think it is 'moral high ground'. I don't.
Teflon
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{snip}
since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
There a a few ladies of my aquaintance that would take you up on that
statement PV,
although I know what you mean, and can't help but concur.
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:01:32 +0000
>
>le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:42:14 +0100, dans l'article
><BA56F336.A694%evl...@wanadoo.fr>, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Nonetheless, rape was a capital offence in a good many places at that time
>>> and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on for
>>> years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was
>finally
>>> executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist only,
>>> never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that was
>the
>>> law in California at the time.
>
>> It was declare unconstitutional in 1977 but historically, 455 prisoners,
>> ninety percent of the Black, were executed for rape. I think is was mostly
>> a southern crime and of course, lynching served as the main "back up" to
>> make sure justice was served.
>
>Additionally, of the 558 Furman 'commutees', 51 (64.6%) had been sentenced
>to death for rape. Of all of the prisoners whose sentences were lifted at
>the time of Furman, one murderer went on to kill again (McDuff), whilst two
>'rapists' committed murder. That's a recidivism rate of 0.5% for
>murderers, and 3.9% for the rapists. In other words, rapists are almost
>eight times more likely to commit murder if not executed, than are
>murderers. Here are those figures which I have posted in the past ...
>
>Release Outcome Murderers Rapists
>--------------- --------- -------
>Total 188 (43.4%) 51 (64.6%)
>Time in Community (1) 5.3 years 5.6 years
>Recidivated 38 (20.2%) 13 (25.5%)
>Technical Violations 15 (8.0 %) 4 (7.8%)
>Misdemeanor 3 (1.6%) 0
>New Felony Offence 20 (10.6%) 9 (17.6%)
>Murder 1 (0.5%) 2 (3.9%)
>Rape 0 2 (3.9%)
>Robbery 4 (2.1%) 2 (3.9%)
>Aggravated Assault 1 (0.5%) 2 (3.9%)
>Burglary 4 (2.1%) 2 (3.9%)
>Larceny-Theft 3 (1.6%) 0
>Firearms Offences 2 (1.0%) 0
>Drugs 4 (2.1%) 1 (2.0%)
>Child Abuse 1 (0.5%) 0
>
>(1) Mean Time in Community
>
>Source: DoJ, _Death Penalty in America [sic]_, Bedau
>
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>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:50:51 +0000
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>le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:59:57 -0600, dans l'article <3E3146DD.4000108@hotm=
>ail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...=20
>
>>>>I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
>>>>concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
>
>>> Nonetheless, rape was a capital offence in a good many places at that =
>time
>>> and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on=
> for
>>> years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was fi=
>nally
>>> executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist onl=
>y,
>>> never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that w=
>as the
>>> law in California at the time.
>
>> Chessman was a really wonderful fellow, Donna! He's about what one=20
>> expects for a poster boy of abolitionism. In prison most of his adult=20
>> life, Chessman was convicted of seventeen individual counts during the=20
>> course of his trial from robbery to abduction and rape. The most=20
>> compelling evidence was his own confession, which he later recanted=20
>> claiming police torture. Convicted under California's so called 'Littl=
>e=20
>> Lindbergh Law', which called for capital punishment in cases of=20
>> abduction with bodily harm, Chessman's jury did not recommend mercy, so=
>=20
>> he automatically received a death penalty sentence.
>
>You continue to quote the 'heinousness' of the crimes, Richard, as if it
>made an iota of difference. For principled abolitionists, it would not
>matter if the murderer killed our children, our mothers, our wives, befor=
>e
>sodomising Mother Theresa and sticking red-hot bicycle spokes into the
>Virgin Mary's eyeballs. We _still_ would not support their execution.
>When, =F4 when, are you going to understand this ?=20
>
>> As you well know, I would include two categories of felons besides=20
>> murderers in the capital punishment system: 1. serial rapists, and 2.=20
>> serial pedophiles. I have little sympathy for people like Chessman.
>
>Well I didn't know. This, coupled with your quite frankly horrific
>'blueprint' for an underground prison, as posted a couple of days ago, is
>disappointing. We may have to consider downgrading you from 'serious
>retentionist', to 'deathie', if your attempted justification for the
>blatant violation of human rights even for non-lethal offenders, continue=
>s.
>
>It is often claimed that abolition of the death penalty represents the
>'thin end of the wedge', and that once we eradicate the death penalty, we
>shall aim for the abolition of life imprisonment, and then of prison
>itself. Whilst I am certainly against the whole idea of 'punishment' whe=
>n
>all it achieves is to make the aggrieved 'feel good' about himself, the
>above is quite simply a straw man, for I am aware of no other serious
>abolitionist who speaks out against the entire doctrine of punishment as =
>a
>tool of criminal justice systems. However, I cannot help but feel that t=
>he
>death penalty for murder is the 'thin end of the wedge' for deathies, and
>that if no opposition from abolitionists were present, that capital
>punishment would soon be extended to other offences, indeed, that it woul=
>d
>probably never have been limited to murder. You may be sure, for example=
>,
>that Coker v. Georgia would never have come about, had abolitionism as a
>force in human rights defence, not existed. If abolitionists suddenly
>decided that the fight wasn't worth it anymore, and threw in the towel,
>then very soon, the death penalty for rape would become a reality again.
>Then the death penalty for serious assault. Then the death penalty for
>ordinary assault. Then the death penalty for stealing. Then the death
>penalty for throwing litter on the street ... _ad infinitum_.
>
>In this respect, there are some definites in the death penalty debate, an=
>d
>there are some 'maybes'. One of the 'maybes', and one that certain poste=
>rs
>around here like to trumpet, is that if certain murderers had not been
>executed, they would have killed again. This can never be anything other
>than a 'maybe', for we cannot be sure that anyone will kill, especially
>considering the bald statistical fact that murderers are less likely to
>kill _again_, than those who have never killed a first time. So you can
>hypothesise that if, for example, Ted Bundy were still alive, then he wou=
>ld
>have claimed new victims. 'Still alive and in gaol', and 'still alive an=
>d
>free', however, are two different things, and as he was on death row (i.e=
>.
>in maximum security conditions) for approximately eleven years from the
>time of his arrest in July 1978, to the time of his execution on 24 Janua=
>ry
>1989, without killing a single person, it is safe to assume that a life
>sentence in maximum security, would have ensured public safety. Thus if =
>we
>exclude the possibility of release (and to take California's example, not
>one single 'LWOP' prisoner has escaped or been set free in the past 27
>years), we can say with a high degree of certainty that Ted Bundy would
>_not_ have killed again, if he had been allowed to live, and sentenced to
>life. Thus the theory that 'the execution of Ted Bundy saved lives', is
>now, and forever will be, a 'maybe'.
>
>On the other hand, a 'definite', is that abolitionism has saved lives, bo=
>th
>those of the guilty, and those of the innocent. One cannot expect a
>retentionist like you to applaud when the 167 guilty (as far as we know)
>men on Illinois' death row are moved from death row to maximum security,
>and their death sentences overturned _en masse_. Abolitionism saved thos=
>e
>lives, yet they are legally 'guilty lives', and so I shan't waste time an=
>d
>energy asking you to be cheerful about that. However, along with the
>guilty lives, come the innocent ones. Anthony Porter. Were it not for
>abolitionists, Anthony Porter would be dead. He would have been executed=
>.
>This is not a 'maybe' ... this is a sure, certain, unarguable definite.
>The state wanted to execute Anthony Porter, and if students and a law
>professor from (IIRC) the University of Chicago had not worked night and
>day to prove his innocence, he _would have been executed_. No maybe, no
>perhaps, but a 100% stone-cold, iron-clad certainty. Abolitionism saved
>his life. Abolitionism saved the lives of the other 101 innocents [1]
>whose lives were on the line, for crimes that they did not commit.
>
>You will see, therefore, that the 'net saving' when abolitionism and
>deathieism are compared, is very much weighted towards abolitionism.
>Deathies can say, 'We've saved innocent lives'. Yes, you probably have,
>for some of those executed probably would have killed again. However, th=
>is
>is pure _non sequitur_, as no abolitionist worth his salt advocates
>release as an alternative to execution. So the hypothetical lives that
>were 'saved' by executions, would have been saved by abolitionism, too.
>
>Abolitionists, on the other hand, can say, 'We have saved innocent lives'=
>,
>and no one, from 'God' (sic) downwards, can challenge that.
>
>Abolitionism holds the high moral ground, Richard. Deathieism, especiall=
>y
>the brand that you have espoused by advocating killing those who have not
>taken life, is in the gutter. And so it will remain.
>
>
>
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Jonathan
<evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I would think PV would back the death penalty for rape,
No he would not. You do realise, Earl, that no matter what your
antipathy for PV might be, putting words into his mouth makes your
argument apear weaker.
--
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Date: 1/25/2003 12:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <Jonathan.Elliott-11...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
In article <BA56F336.A694%evl...@wanadoo.fr>, Earl Evleth
<evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I would think PV would back the death penalty for rape,
No he would not. You do realise, Earl, that no matter what your
antipathy for PV might be, putting words into his mouth makes your
argument apear weaker.
Jonathan Elliott
===============================
At one time, Earl was considered to be one of the Great Ones. But the little
grey cells are disappearing at an alarming rate and Earl is having difficulty
in forming rational thought on a consistant basis.
A Planet Visitor
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:3e312a92$0$1888$79c1...@nan-newsreader-03.noos.net...
for rape. If you're speaking to the past immorality (what I view as
immorality) of the DP, I could not agree more. I find the fact that we
DID execute rapists, unacceptable to me. If you're trying to connect
Rockefeller's commutations with Ryan's, then it's obvious it has no
connection to rapists. Since no rapists would have been in Ryan's
group, regardless. Actually, my real 'problem' with your post, Donna..
is that unlike your past posts which demonstrated a clear direction,
even if I disagree with a majority of them, I don't know where you are
taking this, and what you intend to demonstrate, if not a connection
to the Ryan commutations (which did not include convicted rapists).
PV
> Donna Evleth
>
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:cfdr0b...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:42:14 +0100, dans l'article <BA56F336.A694%evl...@wanadoo.fr>, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Nonetheless, rape was a capital offence in a good many places at that time
> >> and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on for
> >> years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was finally
> >> executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist only,
> >> never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that was the
> >> law in California at the time.
>
> > It was declare unconstitutional in 1977 but historically, 455 prisoners,
> > ninety percent of the Black, were executed for rape. I think is was mostly
> > a southern crime and of course, lynching served as the main "back up" to
> > make sure justice was served.
>
> to death for rape.
Unfuckin' believable!!!! Little wonder that I've mentioned you are
'arithmetic-challenged.' 51 of 558 is 9.1%. And in ANY CASE,
your number itself is WRONG. And you simply do not know
what you are talking about, since the 51 is not the total number
of commuted rapists (that number is 80), but the number of
those 80 that returned to the general population. From Table 10-1, of the
Marquart-Sorensen 'National Study of the Furman-Commuted
Inmates" ==
Total commuted DP sentences == 558
Total commuted for murder == 474
Total commuted for Rape == 80
Total commuted for Armed Robbery == 4
> Of all of the prisoners whose sentences were lifted at
> the time of Furman, one murderer went on to kill again (McDuff), whilst two
> 'rapists' committed murder.
Horseshit -- McDuff (previous murder conviction) went on to murder many
Robert Lee Massie (previous murder conviction) went on to murder in a Liquor
Store Robbery
Another released murderer - murdered in a drug dispute (reported by
Peter Morris - I don't have the name)
Jerry Michael Ward -- (previous murder conviction) was about to be
arrested for two murders of women, that he certainly committed, but
he committed suicide as the police surrounded the hotel he was
staying at.
And Six murders were committed in prison by those commuted.
Two guards and four other inmates. ALL of those murders were
committed by previously convicted murderers.
Two released rapists raped again.
In fact, I know of NO rapist who went on to murder. This information
extracted from "The Death Penalty in America - Current Controversies"
Hugo Adam Bedau.
> That's a recidivism rate of 0.5% for
> murderers, and 3.9% for the rapists. In other words, rapists are almost
> eight times more likely to commit murder if not executed, than are
> murderers. Here are those figures which I have posted in the past ...
>
Actually, the Study showed that NO rapists committed murder.
Thus, there is no recidivism rate for the released rapists.
> Release Outcome Murderers Rapists
> --------------- --------- -------
> Total 188 (43.4%) 51 (64.6%)
> Time in Community (1) 5.3 years 5.6 years
> Recidivated 38 (20.2%) 13 (25.5%)
> Technical Violations 15 (8.0 %) 4 (7.8%)
> Misdemeanor 3 (1.6%) 0
> New Felony Offence 20 (10.6%) 9 (17.6%)
> Murder 1 (0.5%) 2 (3.9%)
> Rape 0 2 (3.9%)
> Robbery 4 (2.1%) 2 (3.9%)
> Aggravated Assault 1 (0.5%) 2 (3.9%)
> Burglary 4 (2.1%) 2 (3.9%)
> Larceny-Theft 3 (1.6%) 0
> Firearms Offences 2 (1.0%) 0
> Drugs 4 (2.1%) 1 (2.0%)
> Child Abuse 1 (0.5%) 0
>
> (1) Mean Time in Community
>
> Source: DoJ, _Death Penalty in America [sic]_, Bedau
>
Actually, I don't know what your 'source' is... Since I am looking
at the book and Page 170, Table 10-5, and it shows that
Rapists (N=80) meaning all rapists in the study committed
Zero recidivist homicides. Perhaps tomorrow I will scan the
pages in and put them in my web presence. But most
certainly your entire information is bogus. For example,
the 188 murderers and 51 rapists, represents the number
of the total that reentered the general population, for the
total of all 558. i.e., 51 of 80 for example. I'd like to know
where you obtained the information that 2 of those 51
murdered after their sentences being commuted. Perhaps
you could scan YOUR data in from the source.
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
> http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
Am I obsessed with fighting 'evil'? Damn... I'm 'Superman' when
it comes to fighting desi's 'forces of evil.' References to a post which
insightfully pronounced of desi --
"'Cancerous' is almost a compliment when one views most of
desi's comments -- other forms spring more easily to mind --
it is a parasitic diarrhea of the brain... it is crazy chick disease
transferred to our thinking process -- it is a swarm of latrine flies
settling on our ability to process information --- it is maggots
feasting on the bodies of numberless victims of murder. It is
madness. utter madness. It is Desmond Coughlan."
Every evil, vile thought that has ever swept across this group from
desi's pen, as Genghis Kahn (or Attila the Hun, if you prefer) swept
his broad scythe of rape, death and destruction, in long, broad,
excruciating strokes across Europe, stand as stark images of his
perverse character. And we stand witness to that depravity.
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:BA56F336.A694%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
You're off your meds again, Earl. Executed shoplifters will never
shoplift again, either. Presuming that means I might support
executing for shoplifting is just another of your attempts to diminish
the crime of MURDER to that of shoplifting. It happens so often
with some abolitionists. They presumably cannot defend abolition,
when it is only for murder. So they try to presume the DP 'means'
execution for more 'simple' crimes, if our purpose is to prevent
'crime.' Over and over -- once again -- My words --
"I have always held that 'murder is the watershed.' Without it, I
cannot EVER support execution. I would deny that my view of this
springs from some biblical source of 'an eye for an eye.' It simply
represents such a clear delineated line, that ANY disjunction
of that line, would blur the entire concept, and possibly lead to simply
more blurring, until we no longer had a clear line. I fully understand
that 'some things are worse than death.' But I cannot bring myself to
claim I can determine which of those things ARE 'worse than death,'
thus the only clear line I have is murder itself."
I fully agree that some may find the crime of rape would justify the
DP, and would argue that the crime itself can be worse than murder, given
the life-long psychological effects. Some may even find crimes which
leave a victim a paraplegic, or brain damaged, are crimes worse than
murder. However, read my words above. I would NEVER support
the DP for Rape. I need that line. I need it badly, since it represents
such a clear line. That line is MURDER. Lacking that line... the
DP is off the table. With that line, society can determine if it should
be on the table for the degree of that murder, and if on the table
whether the murder(s) justify the DP, depending on the circumstances
of the murder(s), and the past character of the murderer.
PV
> Earl
>
>
Fred
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
....
>
> Two released rapists raped again.
>
> In fact, I know of NO rapist who went on to murder. This
information
> extracted from "The Death Penalty in America - Current
Controversies"
> Hugo Adam Bedau.
>
I know of one case, not related to the rest of this perhaps. See
"Lawrence Singleton".
Singleton first gained nationwide attention in 1978 when he picked up
Vincent, then a 15-year-old California hitchhiker, raped her, cut off
her arms with a hatchet, and left her to die in a roadside ditch.
Singleton was sentenced to 14 years in prison, but served only eight.
His early release caused such a public outcry that he spent the last
10 months of his parole in a mobile home on the grounds of San
Quentin for his own safety. He moved to his hometown of Tampa in
1988.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/021601/Hillsborough/High_court_upholds_ki
.shtml
F
Fred
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
....
>
> I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as
I'm
> concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
>
> PV
Do you think that treason should be a capital offence?
F
A Planet Visitor
"Cerberus" <Cerb...@riverstyx.net> wrote in message news:1043458844.457998@cynwa02...
did not create the 'actual' loss of a life, to be WORSE than murder.
I have no argument with that view, except that I cannot bring myself
to state at what point precisely they become worse. Thus, murder
is rather a certain point, since one cannot be both 'dead' and 'alive.'
Although even that would be 'argued' by some.
PV
> --
>
> WooF w00f WooF
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:rcnr0b...@lievre.voute.net...
le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:59:57 -0600, dans l'article <3E3146DD...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit
...
>>>I speak of only 9, since rape is not a capital offence, as far as I'm
>>>concerned, regardless of the laws of that time.
>> Nonetheless, rape was a capital offence in a good many places at that time
>> and before it. There was a famous case in California, that dragged on for
>> years with multiple appeals, before the inmate, Caryl Chessman, was finally
>> executed on May 2nd, 1960. Caryl Chessman was white, was a rapist only,
>> never murdered anyone, but he was nonetheless executed, because that was the
>> law in California at the time.
> Chessman was a really wonderful fellow, Donna! He's about what one
> expects for a poster boy of abolitionism. In prison most of his adult
> life, Chessman was convicted of seventeen individual counts during the
> course of his trial from robbery to abduction and rape. The most
> compelling evidence was his own confession, which he later recanted
> claiming police torture. Convicted under California's so called 'Little
> Lindbergh Law', which called for capital punishment in cases of
> abduction with bodily harm, Chessman's jury did not recommend mercy, so
> he automatically received a death penalty sentence.
desi posted --
<much of desi's emetic (look it up) content clipped>
Abolitionists, on the other hand, can say, 'We have saved innocent lives',
and no one, from 'God' (sic) downwards, can challenge that.
PV says --
The 'list,' desi... It hardly takes God to look at The 'list.' It only
takes what you seem to lack... reason. The list demonstrates
the 'failures,' the inability in many cases of abolition to 'save
innocent lives.' In truth, the 'innocent lives' saved through
abolition are rather sparce, if there are any. The innocent lives
taken because of non-application of the DP are many. My list
is only a SMALL sample of those innocent lives.
PV
JIGSAW1695
Date: 1/25/2003 5:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <cXDY9.13153$c41.4...@news2.telusplanet.net>
===============================
Yes.
A Planet Visitor
"Fred" <no-...@nowhere.nohow> wrote in message news:E2CY9.12067$c41.4...@news2.telusplanet.net...
Furman-Commuted group of rapists. He committed the rape of
Vincent in 1978, well after the Supreme Court ruled on Furman
in 1972. It was not possible he could have been sentenced to
the DP as a rapist, and commuted by Furman, as he didn't even
commit his rape until 1978. Unless you're leaving out some other
information.
I believe you misunderstood my statement. I certainly know that
MANY rapists go on to murder. But we are speaking SPECIFICALLY
of ONLY 558 individuals. Those commuted from the DP by Furman.
Of which 80 were rapists. That was the thrust of the thread
and desi's comment. The Supreme Court later ruled that rape
was not constitutionally a capital offense.
PV
> F
>
>
>
Fred
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
No doubt, if the qualification was Furman, but I was responding to:-
> > > In fact, I know of NO rapist who went on to murder. This
> > information
> > > extracted from "The Death Penalty in America - Current
> > Controversies"
> > > Hugo Adam Bedau.
F
A Planet Visitor
"Fred" <no-...@nowhere.nohow> wrote in message news:1ZLY9.18614$c41.5...@news2.telusplanet.net...
the Marquart-Sorenson Study of Furman-Commuted Inmates.
Which is the entire thrust of desi's post, that I was responding to.
Please try to keep up by looking at the post from desi, and
my response to that post. People wouldn't want to find you
to be less than 'literate.' :-)
I am still waiting for word from desi.
PV
> F
>
>
>
Earl Evleth
Jonathan at Jonathan...@utas.edu.au wrote on 25/01/03 6:01:
> No he would not. You do realise, Earl, that no matter what your
> antipathy for PV might be, putting words into his mouth makes your
> argument apear weaker.
I will look around and try and find out what he said about the Chessman
execution.
That it the true litmus test. The guy was a rotter, he would have done it
again if he escaped or was released.
All the kinds of thins PV rants about.
Earl
John Rennie
///
I think you will find that he says that Chessman was guilty
of the crime for which he was executed. That just
doesn't mean that PV 'approves' of the execution of
rapists.
Earl Evleth
j.re...@ntlworld.com wrote on 26/01/03 17:14:
> I think you will find that he says that Chessman was guilty
> of the crime for which he was executed. That just
> doesn't mean that PV 'approves' of the execution of
> rapists.
I found nothing the first go around and it isn't worth a second.
Actually, at the time I was pro-DP and for his execution. I
changed my position sometime in the 1960s for reasons I am
not quite sure of. It was about the time I switched
from being a Republican to being a Democrat.
I remember getting in public gatherings and arguing for the
death penalty. My position at the time is that I identified
with the victims and their families. I still empathize for
them. But not to the point of killing.
Earl
Fred
Isn't he the classic case proving what a bad idea it is being your
own lawyer?
F
Earl Evleth
no-...@nowhere.nohow wrote on 26/01/03 22:55:
> Isn't he the classic case proving what a bad idea it is being your
> own lawyer?
Fortunately, this seems to be a general practice of
sociopaths, extreme confidence in their own ability to fool others.
In everyday life they do because they are on a playing field they
generally control.
In a trial, the judge is the traffic cop and a good one does not allow
some kinds of questions to go through, the playing field in restricted
and the judge, lawyers and prosecutors know how to play on it.
In the recent trial of Ira Einhorn, he testified on his own behalf.
He had spent a lifetime of conning others but suddenly found himself
in a situation he could not just talk on and on, and around the facts.
Each time he tried to give an extended answer to the prosecutor the judge
cut him short, not before, however he transmitted what he was trying
to do to the jury.
Generally it is poor practice, even if innocent, to testify. One ends
up a amateur boxer in a ring with professionals.
Earl
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:BA5A14A7.AC78%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> in article MPTY9.327$kj6...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net, John Rennie at
> j.re...@ntlworld.com wrote on 26/01/03 17:14:
>
> > I think you will find that he says that Chessman was guilty
> > of the crime for which he was executed. That just
> > doesn't mean that PV 'approves' of the execution of
> > rapists.
>
>
> I found nothing the first go around and it isn't worth a second.
>
second glance. Once he 'makes up his mind.' Something we
already knew was your 'methodology,' Earl. As I've said ---
Un-fuckin' believable!!!!
PV
>
> Earl
>
>
Richard J
> le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:11:49 -0600, dans l'article <3E3181E5...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>>As you well know, I would include two categories of felons besides
>>>>murderers in the capital punishment system: 1. serial rapists, and 2.
>>>>serial pedophiles. I have little sympathy for people like Chessman.
>>>
>
>>>Well I didn't know. This, coupled with your quite frankly horrific
>>>'blueprint' for an underground prison, as posted a couple of days ago, is
>>>disappointing.
>>
>
>>Why so? If we are going to have LWOP, why shouldn't we put these guys
>>in the most secure, energy efficient prison possible?
>
>
> with dignity and humanity, and then there is treating him like an animal,
> and acting surprised when he acts like one.
Did you read what I wrote? I'd put them in a nice, new, clean,
underground prison with single occupancy 9X9 cells. I would provide
them with appropriate interaction with other human beings, study
materials and educational courses, even visits in private with their old
ladies and children. What I would not do is give them any hope of ever
leaving their prison. Well, I wouldl allow them to be paroled.......as
soon as they figured out how to bring their victims to life again.
>
> { snip }
>
>
>> We may have to consider downgrading you from 'serious
>>
>>>retentionist', to 'deathie', if your attempted justification for the
>>>blatant violation of human rights even for non-lethal offenders, continues.
>>
>
>>Be my guest. In your slanders of the 'deathies', you've seldom made
>>distinctions.
>
>
> I have _never_ slandered deathies, Richard, and I resent your suggesting
> that I have. The foul, racist, repulsive, domestic-animal-torturing,
> child-abusing pieces of shit do that on their own accord.
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>Why not ask rape victims how they feel about the punishment, especially
>>victims of serial rapists.
>
>
> Oh fuck off, Richard ! ;-)
In your dreams! ;-)
You're long enough in the tooth to know that
> asking the victims what they think is an appropriate punishment, is the
> quickest way to see car thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
I think that depends upon the individual. I, for instance, would not
want to see a rapist of my wife killed. I'd like to see him locked up
for the rest of his life with a series of cell mates who were known
violent homosexuals.
> Indeed, the bloke in the Ford Fiesta the other day, who almost had me off
> my R1, would have been in the electric chair five minutes after it, if my
> baser instincts had been 'consulted'.
I hope you got his license number and the police apprehended him. I
think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>
>
>>You KNOW how I feel about serial rapists. In some ways, I think their
>>crime and the crime of pedophile is much worse than murder. They steal
>>lives just as effectively, but leave their victims alive to be in pain
>>for the rest of their lives because of the crime perpetrated upon them.
>
>
> I'd tend to agree, except that they don't 'steal lives'. 'Stealing a life'
> would be murder, and whilst I don't doubt the trauma, they are alive, and
> can reconstruct their lives, with adequate psychological counselling.
Ever been a victim of rape or molestation, Desmond? I've known some
kids who were the victims of pedophiles as well as a couple of women who
were raped, and the 'adequate psychological counseling' you call for
goes on for years. Sometimes the memories are suppressed in the case of
molestation and don't surface until the child becomes an adult. When it
does, they generally carry that with them forever.
There are worse things than death. There is emotional trauma that
steals any normal life a person has.
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>Just as the assertion by abolitionist that we have executed innocents is
>> a 'maybe' for the same reason.
>
>
> Yes, it is. However, it will happen. There is no way to avoid it. Oh,
> yes there is ... abolish the death penalty.
It still hasn't been proven, not even by a preponderance of the evidence
in one single case.
>
>
>>Why is it you are willing to offer suppositions backed with some
>>evidence when they meet your agenda as facts, while you do not wish to
>>accept the same from others, Desmond?
>
>
> Where am I refusing to accept that the execution of an innocent is a
> supposition ? I know that it is so. I have never claimed anything other,
> because you limit (for your own purposes) the criterion to 'posthumous
> pardon', or other legally impossible criteria.
>
> { snip }
>
It isn't impossible at all, especially since what I called for is not a
'posthumous pardon' but a wrongful death finding in civil court which
would benefit the family financially. (not ot mention being much easier
to prove)
Teflon
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:01:29 +0000
>
>le Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:11:49 -0600, dans l'article
><3E3181E5...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>>>As you well know, I would include two categories of felons besides
>>>>murderers in the capital punishment system: 1. serial rapists, and 2.
>>>>serial pedophiles. I have little sympathy for people like Chessman.
>
>>> Well I didn't know. This, coupled with your quite frankly horrific
>>> 'blueprint' for an underground prison, as posted a couple of days ago, is
>>> disappointing.
>
>> Why so? If we are going to have LWOP, why shouldn't we put these guys
>> in the most secure, energy efficient prison possible?
>
>Because there is locking someone up for life, Richard, whilst treating him
>with dignity and humanity, and then there is treating him like an animal,
>and acting surprised when he acts like one.
>
>{ snip }
>
>> We may have to consider downgrading you from 'serious
>>> retentionist', to 'deathie', if your attempted justification for the
>>> blatant violation of human rights even for non-lethal offenders,
>continues.
>
>> Be my guest. In your slanders of the 'deathies', you've seldom made
>> distinctions.
>
>I have _never_ slandered deathies, Richard, and I resent your suggesting
>that I have. The foul, racist, repulsive, domestic-animal-torturing,
>child-abusing pieces of shit do that on their own accord.
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Why not ask rape victims how they feel about the punishment, especially
>> victims of serial rapists.
>
>Oh fuck off, Richard ! ;-) You're long enough in the tooth to know that
>asking the victims what they think is an appropriate punishment, is the
>quickest way to see car thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
>Indeed, the bloke in the Ford Fiesta the other day, who almost had me off
>my R1, would have been in the electric chair five minutes after it, if my
>baser instincts had been 'consulted'.
>
>> You KNOW how I feel about serial rapists. In some ways, I think their
>> crime and the crime of pedophile is much worse than murder. They steal
>> lives just as effectively, but leave their victims alive to be in pain
>> for the rest of their lives because of the crime perpetrated upon them.
>
>I'd tend to agree, except that they don't 'steal lives'. 'Stealing a life'
>would be murder, and whilst I don't doubt the trauma, they are alive, and
>can reconstruct their lives, with adequate psychological counselling.
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Just as the assertion by abolitionist that we have executed innocents is
>> a 'maybe' for the same reason.
>
>Yes, it is. However, it will happen. There is no way to avoid it. Oh,
>yes there is ... abolish the death penalty.
>
>> Why is it you are willing to offer suppositions backed with some
>> evidence when they meet your agenda as facts, while you do not wish to
>> accept the same from others, Desmond?
>
>Where am I refusing to accept that the execution of an innocent is a
>supposition ? I know that it is so. I have never claimed anything other,
>because you limit (for your own purposes) the criterion to 'posthumous
>pardon', or other legally impossible criteria.
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
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>desmond @ zeouane.org |'Ze Ouane!'
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@zeouane.org
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le Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:29 -0600, dans l'article
<3E359DB1...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
{ snip }
>> You're long enough in the tooth to know that asking the victims what
>> they think is an appropriate punishment, is the quickest way to see car
>> thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
> I think that depends upon the individual. I, for instance, would not
> want to see a rapist of my wife killed. I'd like to see him locked up
> for the rest of his life with a series of cell mates who were known
> violent homosexuals.
Violence, violence, violence. _Every_ punishment has to involve violence
somewhere, doesn't it ?
===============================
Time served and a fifty dollar fine?
Sentenced to six months in the county jail, six months probation, two hundred
dollar fine and resititution?
Three years in state prison. (Eligable for parole in 10 months)?
Ten years in state prison?
It seems as though the Village Idiot of Paris has once again humiliated himself
in fromt of his peers.
Richard J
> le Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:29 -0600, dans l'article <3E359DB1...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>they think is an appropriate punishment, is the quickest way to see car
>>>thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
>>
>
>>I think that depends upon the individual. I, for instance, would not
>>want to see a rapist of my wife killed. I'd like to see him locked up
>>for the rest of his life with a series of cell mates who were known
>>violent homosexuals.
>
>
> somewhere, doesn't it ?
Nope. He could give up the booty willingly. His choice.
>
>
>>>Indeed, the bloke in the Ford Fiesta the other day, who almost had me
>>>off my R1, would have been in the electric chair five minutes after it,
>>>if my baser instincts had been 'consulted'.
>>
>
>>I hope you got his license number and the police apprehended him. I
>>think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>
>
> I didn't, no. I contented myself with staying upright, and not ploughing
> into the pedestrians who were waiting to cross the road, but again: why is
> your first thought violence ..?
>
> { snip Richard's _non sequitur_ }
>
Just a hard arse, Desmond. Texans tend to kill their own snakes and
solve their own problems. Sometimes a good attitude adjustment at the
hands of an incensed citizen does more for people like the one who cut
you off than a dozen policemen.
Teflon
Teflon
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:14:16 +0000
>
>le 28 Jan 2003 23:10:15 GMT, dans l'article
><20030128181015...@mb-ms.aol.com>, JIGSAW1695
><jigsa...@aol.com> a dit ...
>
>>> >> You're long enough in the tooth to know that asking the victims what
>>> >> they think is an appropriate punishment, is the quickest way to see
>>> >> car thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
>
>> >> I think that depends upon the individual. I, for instance, would not
>> >> want to see a rapist of my wife killed. I'd like to see him locked up
>> >> for the rest of his life with a series of cell mates who were known
>> >> violent homosexuals.
>
>>> Violence, violence, violence. _Every_ punishment has to involve
>>> violence somewhere, doesn't it ?
>
>{ snip barely credible straw men }
>
>> It seems as though the Village Idiot of Paris has once again humiliated
>> himself in fromt of his peers.
>
>LOL !!
>
># Music ... sweet music ...
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:49:55 +0000
>
>le Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:29 -0600, dans l'article
><3E359DB1...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> You're long enough in the tooth to know that asking the victims what
>>> they think is an appropriate punishment, is the quickest way to see car
>>> thieves, handbag snatchers, and muggers 'executed'.
>
>> I think that depends upon the individual. I, for instance, would not
>> want to see a rapist of my wife killed. I'd like to see him locked up
>> for the rest of his life with a series of cell mates who were known
>> violent homosexuals.
>
>Violence, violence, violence. _Every_ punishment has to involve violence
>somewhere, doesn't it ?
>
>>> Indeed, the bloke in the Ford Fiesta the other day, who almost had me
>>> off my R1, would have been in the electric chair five minutes after it,
>>> if my baser instincts had been 'consulted'.
>
>> I hope you got his license number and the police apprehended him. I
>> think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>
>I didn't, no. I contented myself with staying upright, and not ploughing
>into the pedestrians who were waiting to cross the road, but again: why is
>your first thought violence ..?
>
>{ snip Richard's _non sequitur_ }
>
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>desmond @ zeouane.org |'Ze Ouane!'
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Richard J
> le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:46:32 -0600, dans l'article <3E371658...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>>think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>>>
>
>>>I didn't, no. I contented myself with staying upright, and not ploughing
>>>into the pedestrians who were waiting to cross the road, but again: why is
>>>your first thought violence ..?
>>
>
>>solve their own problems. Sometimes a good attitude adjustment at the
>>hands of an incensed citizen does more for people like the one who cut
>>you off than a dozen policemen.
>
>
> who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>
That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'. Now if you rode a
Hog...........
Teflon
Richard J
> le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:02 -0600, dans l'article <3E374C9A...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>>
>
>>That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
>>ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
>>eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'.
>
>
> 'dangerous'.
I know they are more dangerous than cars, and have the scars to prove
it! (of course most of the times I laid a bike down I was trying to be
like Evil K.) We get a lot more organ donations from motorcycle
accidents than we do from automobile accidents. All except the corneas.
Seems like the cyclists always get their head fucked up when they crash.
Teflon
>
>
>>Now if you rode a Hog...........
>
>
> ... I'd be ashamed to.
>
Cerberus
"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> > le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:46:32 -0600, dans l'article
<3E371658...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
> >
> > { snip }
{snip wishful thinking aloud}
> That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
> ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
> eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'. Now if you rode a
> Hog...........You would not be able to go around corners or stop quickly
but that does not matter too much, because iffen ya fall off you wont hurt
yourself, 'cause ya can't get the thung wound up enough, even down hill with
a tail wind.
The only Hardly Davidson that is any good is the VRSCA V-Rod. The only
reason that IT is any good is that H-D sent the motor and gearbox to this
little Stuttgart company (1) for development, the brakes to this little
Italian Company (2) for major overhaul and the chassis to this other little
Italian Company (3) for redesign.
The end result is that the thing goes, stops, handles well and looks good,
as well as sounding like nothing on earth. H-D have almost got my money,
except that you can't get the buggers before the twelfth of never. What the
supply situation like in the lone star state?
--
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(2) Brembo
(3) Pinnafarina
JIGSAW1695
Date: 1/28/2003 10:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Teflon
===============================
Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
photograph of one.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 1/28/2003 11:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
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le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:02 -0600, dans l'article
<3E374C9A...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
{ snip }
>> Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>> who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
> That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
> ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
> eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'.
Typical of those who don't ride motorcycles, and who think that they're
'dangerous'.
> Now if you rode a Hog...........
... I'd be ashamed to.
Desmond Coughlan
===============================
Yea. I dont blame you. You might be recognized as a the rider of a real
motorcycle, you spastic little Fucktwat.
Richard J
> le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:13:47 -0600, dans l'article <3E3754FB...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
>>>>>Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>>>>>who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>>>>
>
>>>>That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
>>>>ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
>>>>eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'.
>>>
>
>>>Typical of those who don't ride motorcycles, and who think that they're
>>>'dangerous'.
>>
>
>>I know they are more dangerous than cars, and have the scars to prove
>>it! (of course most of the times I laid a bike down I was trying to be
>>like Evil K.) We get a lot more organ donations from motorcycle
>>accidents than we do from automobile accidents.
>
>
> car, Richard. It's not the bikes that are 'dangerous'; it's the blind
> fuckers in their cars, whose only excuse once they've taken you out, is,
> 'Sorry, I didn't see you!'
I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact, however, that you
have more protection in an accident when driving a car and are less
likely to be injured in a car. It really doesn't matter who is to blame
if you are the one laying brain dead on a respirator.
>
>
>>All except the corneas. Seems like the cyclists always get their head
>>fucked up when they crash.
>
>
> And the knees, apparently.
The legs do take a beating in wrecks. Perhaps if you didn't ride those
rice rockets where you are all hunched over with your knees hanging
down.........
Teflon
Teflon
>
Richard J
> "Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3E374C9A...@hotmail.com...
>
>>Desmond Coughlan wrote:
>>
>>>le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:46:32 -0600, dans l'article
>>
> <3E371658...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
>>>{ snip }
>>
>
> {snip wishful thinking aloud}
>
>
>>That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
>>ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
>>eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'. Now if you rode a
>>Hog...........You would not be able to go around corners or stop quickly
>
> but that does not matter too much, because iffen ya fall off you wont hurt
> yourself, 'cause ya can't get the thung wound up enough, even down hill with
> a tail wind.
I had an old 74 that ran pretty well. Admittedly, the rice rockets and
euro scooters are generally faster, but I don't feel the need for speed
nearly as much as I do comfort now a days.
If I wanted something to run fast I'd probably buy a Kawasaki.
>
> The only Hardly Davidson that is any good is the VRSCA V-Rod. The only
> reason that IT is any good is that H-D sent the motor and gearbox to this
> little Stuttgart company (1) for development, the brakes to this little
> Italian Company (2) for major overhaul and the chassis to this other little
> Italian Company (3) for redesign.
>
> The end result is that the thing goes, stops, handles well and looks good,
> as well as sounding like nothing on earth. H-D have almost got my money,
> except that you can't get the buggers before the twelfth of never. What the
> supply situation like in the lone star state?
Available, but expensive.
Richard J
> le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:31:57 -0600, dans l'article <3E37C9BD...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>Motorists are to blame for >70% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a
>>>car, Richard. It's not the bikes that are 'dangerous'; it's the blind
>>>fuckers in their cars, whose only excuse once they've taken you out, is,
>>>'Sorry, I didn't see you!'
>>
>
>>I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact, however, that you have
>>more protection in an accident when driving a car and are less likely to
>>be injured in a car. It really doesn't matter who is to blame if you are
>>the one laying brain dead on a respirator.
>
>
> you. Dying needlessly, is.
>
>
>>>>All except the corneas. Seems like the cyclists always get their head
>>>>fucked up when they crash.
>>>
>
>>>And the knees, apparently.
>>
>
>>The legs do take a beating in wrecks. Perhaps if you didn't ride those
>>rice rockets where you are all hunched over with your knees hanging
>>down.........
>
>
> bruise on my hip, and on the heel of my right hand. I know someone who
> threw his R1 down a French motorway at >100 mph, and escaped with a broken
> pinkie. He was in leathers. :-)
>
Leather is definitely indicated for safety when riding. People who have
never ridden don't understand that leather slides instead of skin
tearing. I'm sort of amazed I haven't seen some of the new fibers,
perhaps aramid or kelvar, incorporated in clothing for bikes. Perhaps
is has been and I just haven't noticed, I haven't ridden in some years.
Teflon
Teflon
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote:
> le 29 Jan 2003 05:52:23 GMT, dans l'article
> <20030129005223...@mb-ci.aol.com>, JIGSAW1695
> <jigsa...@aol.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> > >> Now if you rode a Hog...........
>
> >> ... I'd be ashamed to.
>
> > Yea. I dont blame you. You might be recognized as a the rider of a real
> > motorcycle, you spastic little Fucktwat.
>
> LOL, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear ... Jigsaw is angry. *guffaw!*
Possibly. I think he's trying (and failing) to get a rise out of you.
I do like the word "fucktwat", though.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
> photograph of one.
Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy. Euro and
Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and cost less than Hardleys.
Richard J
> le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:31:46 -0600, dans l'article <3E383A3...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>bruise on my hip, and on the heel of my right hand. I know someone who
>>>threw his R1 down a French motorway at >100 mph, and escaped with a broken
>>>pinkie. He was in leathers. :-)
>>
>
>>Leather is definitely indicated for safety when riding. People who have
>>never ridden don't understand that leather slides instead of skin
>>tearing.
>
>
> jeans, and they ripped like paper.
>
>>I'm sort of amazed I haven't seen some of the new fibers,
>>perhaps aramid or kelvar, incorporated in clothing for bikes. Perhaps
>>is has been and I just haven't noticed, I haven't ridden in some years.
>
>
>
> url:http://www.zeouane.org/moto/des_sur_fjr1300_roche_guyan1.JPG
>
> They're Kevlar.
>
Very nice, both the clothes and the bike. I still say the damned things
can't be as comfortable to tour on as others, though.
Teflon
JIGSAW1695
Date: 1/29/2003 6:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
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In article <20030129005120...@mb-ci.aol.com>,
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
> photograph of one.
Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy. Euro and
Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and cost less than Hardleys.
Mr Q. Z. D.
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There is a saying here in America.... Riding a Harldy isnt an adventure, it is
a way of life".
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:48:43 +0000
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>le 29 Jan 2003 05:52:23 GMT, dans l'article
><20030129005223...@mb-ci.aol.com>, JIGSAW1695
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>> >> Now if you rode a Hog...........
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>>> ... I'd be ashamed to.
>
>> Yea. I dont blame you. You might be recognized as a the rider of a real
>> motorcycle, you spastic little Fucktwat.
>
>LOL, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear ... Jigsaw is angry. *guffaw!*
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:07:49 +0000
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>le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:02 -0600, dans l'article
><3E374C9A...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>>> Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>>> who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>
>> That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
>> ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
>> eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'.
>
>Typical of those who don't ride motorcycles, and who think that they're
>'dangerous'.
>
>> Now if you rode a Hog...........
>
>... I'd be ashamed to.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 02:20:40 +0000
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>le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:46:32 -0600, dans l'article
><3E371658...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>>>>I hope you got his license number and the police apprehended him. I
>>>>think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>
>>> I didn't, no. I contented myself with staying upright, and not ploughing
>>> into the pedestrians who were waiting to cross the road, but again: why is
>>> your first thought violence ..?
>
>> Just a hard arse, Desmond. Texans tend to kill their own snakes and
>> solve their own problems. Sometimes a good attitude adjustment at the
>> hands of an incensed citizen does more for people like the one who cut
>> you off than a dozen policemen.
>
>Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:27:53 +0000
>
>le Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:13:47 -0600, dans l'article
><3E3754FB...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>>>>>Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>>>>>who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>
>>>>That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
>>>>ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
>>>>eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'.
>
>>> Typical of those who don't ride motorcycles, and who think that they're
>>> 'dangerous'.
>
>> I know they are more dangerous than cars, and have the scars to prove
>> it! (of course most of the times I laid a bike down I was trying to be
>> like Evil K.) We get a lot more organ donations from motorcycle
>> accidents than we do from automobile accidents.
>
>Motorists are to blame for >70% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a
>car, Richard. It's not the bikes that are 'dangerous'; it's the blind
>fuckers in their cars, whose only excuse once they've taken you out, is,
>'Sorry, I didn't see you!'
>
>> All except the corneas. Seems like the cyclists always get their head
>> fucked up when they crash.
>
>And the knees, apparently.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:05:26 +0000
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>le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:31:46 -0600, dans l'article
><3E383A3...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>>> I was in leathers when I came off my FJR in Leeds, and escaped with a
>small
>>> bruise on my hip, and on the heel of my right hand. I know someone who
>>> threw his R1 down a French motorway at >100 mph, and escaped with a broken
>>> pinkie. He was in leathers. :-)
>
>> Leather is definitely indicated for safety when riding. People who have
>> never ridden don't understand that leather slides instead of skin
>> tearing.
>
>Even jeans tear. I came off once when I was sitting my test, wearing
>jeans, and they ripped like paper.
>
>> I'm sort of amazed I haven't seen some of the new fibers,
>> perhaps aramid or kelvar, incorporated in clothing for bikes. Perhaps
>> is has been and I just haven't noticed, I haven't ridden in some years.
>
>Yep, they exist. Look at the sand-coloured inserts in my jacket:
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>url:http://www.zeouane.org/moto/des_sur_fjr1300_roche_guyan1.JPG
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>They're Kevlar.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:09:11 +0000
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>le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:31:57 -0600, dans l'article
><3E37C9BD...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>>> Motorists are to blame for >70% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a
>>> car, Richard. It's not the bikes that are 'dangerous'; it's the blind
>>> fuckers in their cars, whose only excuse once they've taken you out, is,
>>> 'Sorry, I didn't see you!'
>
>> I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact, however, that you have
>> more protection in an accident when driving a car and are less likely to
>> be injured in a car. It really doesn't matter who is to blame if you are
>> the one laying brain dead on a respirator.
>
>True, but as I've said before, dying isn't the worst that can happen to
>you. Dying needlessly, is.
>
>>>>All except the corneas. Seems like the cyclists always get their head
>>>>fucked up when they crash.
>
>>> And the knees, apparently.
>
>> The legs do take a beating in wrecks. Perhaps if you didn't ride those
>> rice rockets where you are all hunched over with your knees hanging
>> down.........
>
>I was in leathers when I came off my FJR in Leeds, and escaped with a small
>bruise on my hip, and on the heel of my right hand. I know someone who
>threw his R1 down a French motorway at >100 mph, and escaped with a broken
>pinkie. He was in leathers. :-)
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>desmond @ zeouane.org |'Ze Ouane!'
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:31:12 +0000
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>le 30 Jan 2003 00:12:24 GMT, dans l'article
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>>> Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy. Euro and
>>> Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and cost less than Hardleys.
>
>> There is a saying here in America.... Riding a Harldy isnt an adventure,
>> it is a way of life".
>
>They used to say that about people who drove the Austin Allegro.
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>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
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>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:32:23 +0000
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>le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:26:56 GMT, dans l'article
><jonathan-10485F...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a dit ...
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>>> Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
>>> photograph of one.
>
>> Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy. Euro and
>> Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and cost less than Hardleys.
>
>I find it amazing that some American posters here can cast aspersions on
>the 'masculinity' of someone who doesn't ride a Hardly, which are
>universally recognised as unsophisticated, dull, tractor-like, poor-quality
>pieces of shit ... when that person rides one of the world's fastest, most
>stable, most exciting hypersports machines. All I can say is 'LOL', or
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:28:32 +0000
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>le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:25:13 GMT, dans l'article
><jonathan-1EBD2C...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a dit ...
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>>> LOL, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear ... Jigsaw is angry. *guffaw!*
>
>> Possibly. I think he's trying (and failing) to get a rise out of you.
>
>He's certainly failing. Being called any of the 'idiot' words by someone
>who is quite plainly one of life's natural-born mouth breathers, is the
>_nec plus ultra_ of irony !!
>
>> I do like the word "fucktwat", though.
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:12:17 +0000
>
>le Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:49:09 -0600, dans l'article
><3E386875...@hotmail.com>, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a dit ...
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>{ snip }
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>>> Yep, they exist. Look at the sand-coloured inserts in my jacket:
>>>
>>> url:http://www.zeouane.org/moto/des_sur_fjr1300_roche_guyan1.JPG
>>>
>>> They're Kevlar.
>
>> Very nice, both the clothes and the bike. I still say the damned things
>> can't be as comfortable to tour on as others, though.
>
>That's my previous bike, an FJR1300. The clothes are _supremely_
>comfortable, but only after you've done a couple of thousand miles in them.
>I still have the same jacket, but shall have to change soon, as the R1 has
>a riding position where I'm bent over the tank much more, which makes the
>jacket 'ride up', and I get cold draughts in the small of my back. :-(
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Rev. Don Kool
Richard J wrote:
> Desi Coughlan wrote:
>> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
[...snip...]
>>> Just a hard arse, Desmond. Texans tend to kill their own snakes and
>>> solve their own problems. Sometimes a good attitude adjustment at
>>> the hands of an incensed citizen does more for people like the one
>>> who cut you off than a dozen policemen.
>> Yes, it would teach him that the views of the majority, i.e. that people
>> who ride motorcycles are unthinking thugs, are justified.
>
>
> That must be something common in France. Here, we look as those who
> ride the 'rice rockets' you like so much as probable organ donors. My
> eldest son, the EMT, calls them 'donor cycles'. Now if you rode a
> Hog...........
Desi can't even afford the "rice rocket" that he likes so much. All he
has is a sticky brochure. Given his poor education and his meager job
"skills", there's no way that he will ever make enough money to afford a
Harley.
Hope this helps,
Don
--
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* Baltimore, MD * Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
*************************** "Outlaw Josey Wales"
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>>I hope you got his license number and the police apprehended him. I
>>>>think, however, that a good beating would have done him more good.
>>>
>
>>>I didn't, no. I contented myself with staying upright, and not ploughing
>>>into the pedestrians who were waiting to cross the road, but again: why is
>>>your first thought violence ..?
>>
>
>>Just a hard arse, Desmond. Texans tend to kill their own snakes and
>>solve their own problems. Sometimes a good attitude adjustment at the
>>hands of an incensed citizen does more for people like the one who cut
>>you off than a dozen policemen.
>
>
> Yes, it would teach him that
You cry like a girl while getting your ass kicked. Good thing that you
fled, Desi. LOL!!
Rev. Don Kool
Richard J wrote:
> Desi Coughlan wrote:
>> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote ...
[...snip...]
>>> I know they are more dangerous than cars, and have the scars to prove
>>> it! (of course most of the times I laid a bike down I was trying to
>>> be like Evil K.) We get a lot more organ donations from motorcycle
>>> accidents than we do from automobile accidents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Motorists are to blame for >70% of accidents involving a motorcycle and a
>> car, Richard. It's not the bikes that are 'dangerous'; it's the blind
>> fuckers in their cars, whose only excuse once they've taken you out, is,
>> 'Sorry, I didn't see you!'
>
>
> I completely agree. That doesn't change the fact, however, that you
> have more protection in an accident when driving a car and are less
> likely to be injured in a car. It really doesn't matter who is to blame
> if you are the one laying brain dead on a respirator.
So besides the respirator, what would change for Desi?
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>Yep, they exist. Look at the sand-coloured inserts in my jacket:
>>>
>>>url:http://www.zeouane.org/moto/des_sur_fjr1300_roche_guyan1.JPG
>>>
>>>They're Kevlar.
>>
>
>>Very nice, both the clothes and the bike. I still say the damned things
>>can't be as comfortable to tour on as others, though.
>
>
> That's my previous bike, an FJR1300. The clothes are _supremely_
> comfortable,
LOL!! Desi, you truly are dumb as a box of hammers. Not that there
was ever any doubt. He's talking about those ugly little plastic bikes
being uncomfortable to tour on compared to a real bike.
[...Desi's sad R1 fantasy snipped...]
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Herbie wrote ...
>
>
>>>Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
>>>photograph of one.
>>
>
>>Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy. Euro and
>>Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and cost less than Hardleys.
>
>
> I find it amazing that some American posters here can cast aspersions on
> the 'masculinity' of someone who doesn't ride a Hardly, which are
> universally recognised as unsophisticated, dull, tractor-like, poor-quality
> pieces of shit ... when that person rides one of the world's fastest, most
> stable, most exciting hypersports machines. All I can say is 'LOL', or
> even ...
Poor Desi; sour grapes because he can't afford a real bike. LOL!
Cheer up Desi. Perhaps one day you'll be able to afford that cheap
little plastic bike that you like so much.
Hope this helps,
Rev. Don Kool
Herbie wrote:
> jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>
>>Dezi ride a Harley? Nonsense. He is not worthy enough to even look at a
>>photograph of one.
>
>
> Nobody with taste wants to look at photos of Hardleys, Jiggy.
The people who buy the dozens of magazines devoted to Harley's like to
look at them, Herbie.
> Euro and
> Jap bikes go faster than, are safer than and
Depends on the rider, my son.
> cost less than Hardleys.
Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you can't
afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that settling for
cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing. How sad. :-(
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote...
>
> { snip }
>
>
>>>I was in leathers when I came off my FJR in Leeds, and escaped with a small
>>>bruise on my hip, and on the heel of my right hand. I know someone who
>>>threw his R1 down a French motorway at >100 mph, and escaped with a broken
>>>pinkie. He was in leathers. :-)
>>
>
>>Leather is definitely indicated for safety when riding. People who have
>>never ridden don't understand that leather slides instead of skin
>>tearing.
>
>
> Even jeans tear. I came off once when I was sitting my test, wearing
> jeans, and they ripped like paper.
Desi fell off his bike while taking his driver's test!!
Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Not surprising but still funny.
What a clown!
JackHac
> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
> can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
> settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
> How sad. :-(
Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
(1) Discounting your mother of course.
--
JackH
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>
> > Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
> > can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
> > settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
> > How sad. :-(
Poor Donnie, drunk again. :(
Tell us all, Donnie, how you "founded" comp.unix.admin or how Jesus was
executed in "Ancient Rome"...
> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>
> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
Unlike Donnie, I have no qualms about admitting that I don't have a
motorcycle licence and haven't ridden a motorcycle since I was about 13.
I do, however, have reading comprehension skills to be able to read
sheets of performance/safety/price specifications/statistics and compare
them in order to draw a logical conclusion. This simple process is
evidently not possible for dimbulbs like Donnie.
JackHac
> In article <b1cga4$ak5$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "JackHac"
> <jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>> can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>> settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>> How sad. :-(
> Poor Donnie, drunk again. :(
> Tell us all, Donnie, how you "founded" comp.unix.admin or how Jesus
> was executed in "Ancient Rome"...
ROTFL... this group, if nothing else, has a huge comedy value attached to
it... :D
--
JackH
Rev. Don Kool
Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
JackHac
> JackHac wrote:
>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>> can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>> settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>> How sad. :-(
>>
>>
>> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
> Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a Japanese
sports bike.
--
JackH
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> JackHac wrote...
>
>
>>>Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>>can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>>settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>>How sad. :-(
>>Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
> He owns one,
That will come as news to my insurance company. ROTFLOLASTD!!!!
> the 50 bhp Suzuki Marauder
Actually Desi, I bought my wife a Suzuki Intruder one day because she
thought it was "pretty". In your obsession with all things kool, you
should at least try to get your facts straight. LOL!! Of course the
bike I picked up for her cost more than the one you have a brochure of,
my financially challenged young friend, but that's not the burden on my
finances that it would be on yours. After all, I have marketable job
skills. It's hard to tell what bothers YFD more; the fact that I have
bikes and he doesn't or the fact that I have a wife and he doesn't.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
Herbie wrote:
> "JackHac" wrote:
>>Rev. Don Kool wrote:
[...snip...]
> Unlike Donnie, I have no qualms about admitting that I don't have a
> motorcycle licence and haven't ridden a motorcycle
What a little wussy. LOL!!
Yours in the glory that is our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rev. Don Kool
JackHac wrote:
> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>JackHac wrote:
>>>Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>>>can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>>>settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>>>How sad. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>>
>
>>>(1) Discounting your mother of course.
>>
>
>>Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
>
>
> Ah, as I thought...
If only you would think, my clueless young friend. :-(
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:41:44 +0000
>
>le Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:37:38 -0500, dans l'article
><3E39D362...@comcast.net>, Rev. Don 'Scooter-Boy' [1] Kool
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>
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>
>>> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>>>
>>> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
>
>> Such a
>typically Drewl way of dodging the question.
>
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:39:34 +0000
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>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:34:45 -0000, dans l'article
><b1cga4$ak5$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, JackHac
><jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> a dit ...
>
>>> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>> can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>> settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>> How sad. :-(
>
>> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>
>He owns one, the 50 bhp Suzuki Marauder that he claims is a 'Hardly' ...
>
>url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/drewls_wifes_scooter.jpg
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>> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
>
>*snort*
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Why do you think I stuck around. It's fun. Mostly nice people here and
the ones that aren't so nice are tons of fun to kick around from time to
time. Donnie's actually in my killfile in this location but he's not
killed on my home system. I should really stop feeding the troll but
it's just too much fun right now.
A Planet Visitor
"JackHac" <jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:b1ck68$1iq$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
PV
> --
> JackH
>
>
>
Rev. Don Kool
A Planet Visitor wrote:
> "JackHac" wrote...
>>Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>JackHac wrote:
>>>>Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>>>>can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>>>>settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>>>>How sad. :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>>>
>>>>(1) Discounting your mother of course.
>>>
>>>Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
>>
>>Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a Japanese
>>sports bike.
>>
>
> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military intelligence.'
Or "Great Britain", "European Union", ...
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:136pg-1...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:04:45 GMT, dans l'article <hJl_9.12554$IL1.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a Japanese
> >> sports bike.
>
> > Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military intelligence.'
>
> LMAO!!!
>
> Quick, FuckWit ... the cat !! The sparrow !!!
>
> Stand back, everyone ... FW is about to go nuclear again !!
>
With you getting ready to ask the abolitionists to go out and torture and kill
all retentionists again, there is no doubt who is 'going nuclear.' It's
a wonder that you only offered them as cats...in your example. You
could have asked God to provide them with Nuclear weapons to use
on retentionists.
desi's 'favorite' argument is that three out of four people make up 75% of
the population. He has deduced from that 'argument' that more murders
are committed by 'alien beings' than are committed by 'released murderers.'
Since those alien beings do not possess the 'supreme sovereignty,' over
their bodies that murderers possess. ho ho ho. That 'supreme sovereignty'
'cajun voodoo' argument will be recalled for him many times in the future.
In the words of the Men's Wearhouse suit salesman -- 'I guarantee it!!'
PV
> --
> > Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
> http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
Am I obsessed with fighting 'evil'? Damn... I'm 'Superman' when
it comes to fighting desi's 'forces of evil.' References to a post which
insightfully pronounced of desi --
"'Cancerous' is almost a compliment when one views most of
desi's comments -- other forms spring more easily to mind --
it is a parasitic diarrhea of the brain... it is crazy chick disease
transferred to our thinking process -- it is a swarm of latrine flies
settling on our ability to process information --- it is maggots
feasting on the bodies of numberless victims of murder. It is
madness. utter madness. It is Desmond Coughlan."
Every evil, vile thought that has ever swept across this group from
desi's pen, as Genghis Kahn (or Attila the Hun, if you prefer) swept
his broad scythe of rape, death and destruction, in long, broad,
excruciating strokes across Europe, stand as stark images of his
perverse character. And we stand witness to that depravity.
JackHac
> JackHac wrote:
>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>> JackHac wrote:
>>>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid, you
>>>>> can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself that
>>>>> settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the real thing.
>>>>> How sad. :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>>>
>>
>>>> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
>>>
>>
>>> Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
>> Ah, as I thought...
> If only you would think
I will, and I have.
Answer the question: How many bikes, as in *motorcycles* , have you owned or
ridden then?
> my clueless young friend.
A: Tis you who is twisting and turning, obviously to hide the fact you're,
as per the norm, talking out of your back passage.
B: Since when was I your friend? You really do come across as the inbred
hilly billy stereotype I've come to recognise as Donald McDonald.
LOL, your parents, unlike yourself obviously had a sense of humour when they
saddled you with that mantra... and it suits you perfectly.
--
JackH
JackHac
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
--
JackH
A Planet Visitor
"JackHac" <jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:b1dc2h$jrf$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
time now. You can stop bleating.
> Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
Another potty-mouth adds nothing to the sum total of humanity's
knowledge. Little has changed since cretins (look it up... jack)
such as jack first emerged from the caves.
PV
>
> --
> JackH
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:9sopg-...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:28:33 -0000, dans l'article <b1dc2h$jrf$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, JackHac
<jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
> >> intelligence.'
>
> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
> >
> > Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
>
Oh.. look everyone... desi has a new 'friend.' Or has dirtbag
finally provided his 'real name'? zip...zip...zip.... that football
is now in play.
<pathetic drivel clipped>
>
> --
> Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
> http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
Am I obsessed with fighting 'evil'? Damn... I'm 'Superman' when
it comes to fighting desi's 'forces of evil.' References to a post which
insightfully pronounced of desi --
"'Cancerous' is almost a compliment when one views most of
desi's comments -- other forms spring more easily to mind --
it is a parasitic diarrhea of the brain... it is crazy chick disease
transferred to our thinking process -- it is a swarm of latrine flies
settling on our ability to process information --- it is maggots
feasting on the bodies of numberless victims of murder. It is
madness. utter madness. It is Desmond Coughlan."
Every evil, vile thought that has ever swept across this group from
desi's pen, as Genghis Kahn (or Attila the Hun, if you prefer) swept
his broad scythe of rape, death and destruction, in long, broad,
excruciating strokes across the face of humanity, stand as stark
JackHac
> "JackHac" <jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b1dc2h$jrf$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> A Planet Visitor wrote:
>>> "JackHac" <jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:b1ck68$1iq$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>>> JackHac wrote:
>>>>>> Rev. Don Kool wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plastic always costs less than chrome, Herbie. Face it, kid,
>>>>>>> you can't afford a real bike so you have to convince yourself
>>>>>>> that settling for cheap plastic is "better" than having the
>>>>>>> real thing. How sad. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which bikes have you owned / ridden then? (1)
>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Discounting your mother of course.
>>>>
>>>>> Such a pleasant way of asking someone for personal information.
>>>> Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a
>>>> Japanese sports bike.
>>> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
>>> intelligence.'
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
> Ummm... jack.... the rutting season for sheep has been over for some
> time now. You can stop bleating.
I've owned several big Japanese bikes, sports or otherwise... I've ridden
countless others, including Hardlys - it's what happens when you work in the
trade.
You and 'Ronald McDonald' over there, (the priest who is as plastic as the
burgers), on the other hand, obviously have no real experience of Jap stuff
especially, and thus how on earth you reckon you can comment as to whether
or not they're any good in comparison with Hardly, is a moot point.
'Bleating'... lol, coming from you, that's *funny*
LOL
--
JackH
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:31:37 +0000
>
>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:28:33 -0000, dans l'article
><b1dc2h$jrf$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, JackHac
><jackha...@spammapsyahoo.co.uk> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
>>> intelligence.'
>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
>
>FuckWit lov ... sorry, 'LOVES' (sic) displaying his ignorance. When caught
>out and exposed as the fool that he is, he'll claim victory (as we've seen
>over the past couple of days), or will start to chant ...
>
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=rC7o9.56678%2
4g73.1937553%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
>
>One can imagine him sitting in front of his PC, fingers in his ears ...
>'cuckoo ... cuckoo ...'
>
>ROTFLMAO !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>http://www.zeouane.org/
>http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:10:57 +0000
>
>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:04:45 GMT, dans l'article
><hJl_9.12554$IL1.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a
>Japanese
>>> sports bike.
>
>> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military intelligence.'
>
>Or 'intelligent deathie' ... or even, 'driving a motorcycle' (sic) ...
>LMAO!!!
>
>Quick, FuckWit ... the cat !! The sparrow !!!
>
>Stand back, everyone ... FW is about to go nuclear again !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>http://www.zeouane.org/
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Mr Q. Z. D. at home
Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
[Regarding Mr Hackett]
> Or has dirtbag
> finally provided his 'real name'?
Just an FYI - Jack is probably not doggie, whose real name I happen to
know.
A Planet Visitor
"Mr Q. Z. D. at home" <Jonathan...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:Jonathan.Elliott-84...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
Shit... and the resemblance was so striking!!!
___|___
|
^
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:BA59AEF8.AAD6%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> in article Jonathan.Elliott-11...@newsroom.utas.edu.au,
> Jonathan at Jonathan...@utas.edu.au wrote on 25/01/03 6:01:
>
> > No he would not. You do realise, Earl, that no matter what your
> > antipathy for PV might be, putting words into his mouth makes your
> > argument apear weaker.
>
>
> I will look around and try and find out what he said about the Chessman
> execution.
>
> That it the true litmus test. The guy was a rotter, he would have done it
> again if he escaped or was released.
>
I opposed the execution of Caryl Chessman then... I oppose it to this day.
I oppose all execution for the crimes of rape, finding it not meeting the
level of 'deserves it,' that IMHO is essential to execute. Of course, I
realize there are 'worse things than death,' but I have already explained
my reasoning before. You will find my opposition to that execution as far
back as 14 Nov 2000, more than 2 years ago, I posted ==
"I think the State of California had no right to execute Caryl
Chessman. Cell 2455, Death Row, was one of the most
devastating books I have ever read. And Caryl Chessman
was NOT a murderer. How's that for someone who
supports the DP???"
See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=tIjQ5.32441%24Ze6.5734255%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8
> All the kinds of thins PV rants about.
>
LOL... Have you been nipping at the bottle, Earl??? You naughty boy!
pv
> Earl
>
>
Mr Q. Z. D. at home
Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
[I couldn't bring myself to snip the quoted stuff - sorry]
> See
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=tIjQ5.32441%24Ze6.5734255%40typhoon.t
> ampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8
>
> > All the kinds of thins PV rants about.
> >
> LOL... Have you been nipping at the bottle, Earl??? You naughty boy!
Earl - I think that you owe PV an apology. I looked at the URL and the
proof is incontrovertible. Chessman was an arsehole. We all know that.
PV knows that. Despite Chessman being an arsehole, a psychopath and a
criminal, PV has stated _explicitly_ that he would not have seen him
executed.
Apology please, Earl. Now.
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:j1dsg-...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:52:41 GMT, dans l'article <d%D_9.27940$mA2.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
> >> >> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
> >> >> intelligence.'
>
> >> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
> >> >
> >> > Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
>
> >> FuckWit lov ... sorry, 'LOVES' (sic) displaying his ignorance.
>
> > Oh.. look everyone... desi has a new 'friend.'
>
>
> Quick FW ... to 'goggle' (sic) and find a new 'joke' !!
>
Why bother... when I have you. You're joke enough for the
entire newsgroup...
BTW -- Since you 'claim' to be Jewish... explain what Universal
'right to life,' exists for a child born with Tay-Sachs disease.
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
One wonders where that 'Universal Right to Life' is, in this picture --
url:http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0302/feature2/zoom3.html
Oh... wait a minute... I think I see it behind that small brush in the
background. There on the left... see it, desi? Those two hidden eyes
of the 'provider of the Universal Right to Life,' peering from the brush.
How COULD I have missed that 'timeless, eternal, beyond everything' right
that all 'life' possesses?
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:ullsg-...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:18:26 GMT, dans l'article <6rp_9.13513$IL1.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
<rest of moronic drivel clipped>
> Bwaaaahaaaaahahaaaa !!!!!
>
LOL... the 'mating call' of the bubbleheads. Calling together you and
jack and dirtbag in the same newsgroup... is certainly 'bubblehead
overload.'
Of course, you're their leader... since you're the only one I've seen
here, who has expressed a call for all abolitionists to torture and
kill retentionists. I refer to
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
It is thus, little wonder that you support the continued incestuous
rape of a child by her father, supporting the 'argument' that the child
should be forced into having an 'imaginary on-demand abortion' because
of her fear of her father, without society even knowing about that abuse.
PV
> --
> Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
One wonders where that 'Universal Right to Life' is, in this picture --
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:28:27 +0000
>
>le Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:48:47 GMT, dans l'article
><Jonathan.Elliott-84...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, Mr Q. Z. D. at
>home <Jonathan...@utas.edu.au> a dit ...
>
>> [Regarding Mr Hackett]
>
>>> Or has dirtbag
>>> finally provided his 'real name'?
>
>> Just an FYI - Jack is probably not doggie, whose real name I happen to
>> know.
>
>Jack is certainly not doggie, I can vouch for it.
>
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>http://www.zeouane.org/
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:28:03 +0000
>
>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:52:41 GMT, dans l'article
><d%D_9.27940$mA2.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>> >> Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
>>> >> intelligence.'
>
>>> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
>>> >
>>> > Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
>
>>> FuckWit lov ... sorry, 'LOVES' (sic) displaying his ignorance.
>
>> Oh.. look everyone... desi has a new 'friend.'
>
>Oh look, everyone ... FW's run out of responses.
>
>Quick FW ... to 'goggle' (sic) and find a new 'joke' !!
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:55:26 +0000
>
>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:18:26 GMT, dans l'article
><6rp_9.13513$IL1.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>>> >> Ah, as I thought... you've never spent any amount of time riding a
>Japanese
>>> >> sports bike.
>
>>> > Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
>intelligence.'
>
>>> Or 'intelligent deathie' ... or even, 'driving a motorcycle' (sic) ...
>>> LMAO!!!
>>>
>>> Quick, FuckWit ... the cat !! The sparrow !!!
>>>
>>> Stand back, everyone ... FW is about to go nuclear again !!
>
>> With you getting ready to ask the abolitionists to go out and torture and
>kill
>> all retentionists again, there is no doubt who is 'going nuclear.'
>
>Nine times ... LMAO !!!!
>
>This is too easy ... nine times ... ho, ho, ho ... 21% ... LOL ...94% ...
>
>Bwaaaahaaaaahahaaaa !!!!!
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:36:38 +0000
>
>le Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:52:40 GMT, dans l'article
><c%D_9.27939$mA2.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
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>>> > Ah yes... the 'Japanese sports bike.' Rather like 'military
>>> > intelligence.'
>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
>
>> Ummm... jack.... the rutting season for sheep has been over for some
>> time now. You can stop bleating.
>
>To Jack: you'll have to forgive FW. Whilst making oblique references to
>his time as a 'secret agent' with the CIA (although he makes such claims a
>lot less, since he changed his 'handle' from 'necro' to 'A Planet
>Visitor'), and to his 'prowess' as a former 'IT Genius Spook' [1], he
>really isn't that bright when it comes to Usenet. Thus he can't figure
>out that text-only media require 'tricks' to convey emotions like
>amusement, sadness, happiness etc. That's why we have smileys, and that's
>why we have 'words' like 'LOL', or 'ROTFLMAO', or 'bwaaahaahahahah !!'.
>
>(Psst .. and between you and me, he gets laughed at so much for his
>fuckwitted opinions on news:alt.activism.death-penalty, that he had to find
>some way to 'counter' the hilarity and the pointing of fingers ... the
>above is his only 'defence').
>
>>> Another know nothing FuckWit displays their ignorance...
>
>> Another potty-mouth adds nothing to the sum total of humanity's
>> knowledge. Little has changed since cretins (look it up... jack)
>> such as jack first emerged from the caves.
>
>Ho, ho, ho ... you may be sure that whenever FW includes a 'look it up',
>that the word he has just used, has just been found in his DVD version of
>_The OED_, and he thus can't envisage that anyone knew it before he. LOL
>!!
>
>Would Jack care to shoot at some apples in that barrel ..?
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: When Gov. Rockefeller emptied Arkansas' death row, 1970
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