Brent Turvey exposed.....
Anti's, proof of a living God.
why my good buddy BRENT TURVEY, criminal profiler extraordinaire, has
such different opinions than many other people.
One of the tidbits in there was a statement from the Deputy
Prosecutors, Pierce County, Washington State, who deposed and said
that Vernon Geberth, a retired Lt. Cdr. of NYPD, related that Mr.
Turvey has "borrowed" extensively from his book "Practical Homicide",
and was considering the extent to which his work had been plagiarized
in Brent's new book on criminal profiling.
I suggested that Brent's method was flawed, and it is. As I suspected
Brent Turvey founds his work on inductive reasoning. One of the flaws
in that is the theory of "psychologists fallacy" which is more proven
then his theory of applied inductive reasoning on a crime scene.
This is not my opinion alone. Among the people who join in critical
comments in both his method, and his madness, are Gregg McCrary,
Vernon Geberth, Bill Hagmeir, Richard Walter and more.
Brent's claims in his pretrial interview were exaggerated on many
counts. In cases where he alleged a sentence reduction had occurred as
a result of his testimony, it was found that no sentence reduction had
occurred. In cases where he alluded to the usefullness of his work,
arrests were made before he was even involved in the case beyond a
call to offer his services.
One of these was a death penalty case, and there are life sentences as
well.
It appears that Mr. Turvey is a commited abolitionist, at least in
court.
He has stated under oath that even he was made aware of facts that
proved his theories incorrect, he would not change his opinion.
If you are a involved in a case which Mr. Turvey is intent on
testifying to establish himself as an expert, or offer an opinion,
please post to this newgroup or email me at st_al...@hotmail.com
I have a resource kit available to professionals in the criminal
justice system who anticipate the need to understand Mr. Turvey's
abilities and past willingness to be untruthful.
necromancer
frz...@i-2000.com
newgroup aka Necrospew) wrote a bunch of bullshit: (i snipped all the lies
except this one which was necessary to make a point):
> As I suspected Brent Turvey founds his work on inductive reasoning.
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This is an LIE, and necro/shaun/andrew wheeler/linedancer... is a LIAR (or
at least, very stupid).
and i challenge necro to reply to this specific post, and prove me wrong.
Turvey is *clearly* (to even the untrained eye) an advocate of DEDUCTIVE
reasoning.
For just ONE example of many, Turvey writes:
"The ADVANTAGES [my emphasis] of the Deductive Criminal Profiling model
are very important. This model requires specialized education and training
in forensic science, crime scene reconstruction, and wound pattern
analysis. Because of this requisite specialized knowledge, Deductive
Criminal Profiles tend to be more specific than Inductive Criminal
Profiles, assisting greatly in the major goal of the profiling process,
which is to move from a universal set of suspect characteristics to a more
unique set of suspect characteristics."
ADVANTAGES OF DEDUCTIVE, not inductive you arky moron!
here is a link to turvey's website. please check it out yourself. this
url is to just one of the many things on his website that prove necroslime
is a liar and should not be trusted.
http://www.corpus-delicti.com/Profiling_law.html
For some reasons (probably due to his locale) Necroliar is simply obsessed
with Brent Turvey. I'm sure it's based on his emotionalism and
irrationality when it come to the west memphis case. I guess he also has
some repressed sexual thing for brent. necro is fixated on the :"ass" and
i believe he must just be acting out some deep-seeded, erotic desires in
this strange, and borderline slanderous way. what a pathetic, twisted mind
he has -- probably from spending his entire simulacrum of a life typing
emails to people that hate him.
pity the deperate and frustrated fool, he resorts to bald-faced lies.
bill
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Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action.
- Goethe
Anti's, proof of a living God.
>"Anti's, proof of a living God." (the paranoid star chamber member of the
>newgroup aka Necrospew) wrote a bunch of bullshit: (i snipped all the lies
>except this one which was necessary to make a point):
Snip......
Dear Bill,
I took the liberty this past week of contacting three investigators in
two counties that are familiar with Mr. Turvey and his co-horts.
Mr. Turvey has indeed drawn the credible and specific wrath of many
professionals in the criminal justice community.
These include, but are not limited to:
Richard Walter
Dr. Keoppel
Bill Hagmeir
Gregg McCrary
Vernon Geberth
Mr. Turvey has filed a bar complaint against Barbara Corey-Boulet for
unprofessional conduct. I find this interesting because in that
allegation he purports to be an 'expert' and that her investigation
into his background fell beyond the pale.
Having a greater than natural curiousity about Mr. Turvey, I thought a
few more phone calls were in order.
In the last year Mr. Turvey has been excluded from testimony under
Frye, Daubert, California Criminal Code and a host of other laws or
decisions that pertain to his very un-scientific conduct.
His "theories", which may or may not be 'revolutionary' or even
restated old ones, are not widely held by the scientific community.
Having been given a lesson in the application of Frye it appears that
he has adjusted his approach to things a bit.
However you choose to color it, that alone would exclude him under
Frye.
While in the midst of discovering Mr. Turvey's past, I thought it
would be interesting to learn what his associate Pete Kasler, Juris
Doctor (from Columbia Pacific no less) might have.
After an interesting conversation with the California Department of
Justice I learned that Mr. Kasler has never passed the California bar,
though he offered his services as a legal advisor to Tehama County
Sheriff Heard.
Sheriff Heard apparently is not aware that it is a criminal offense to
offer those types of services when not a member of the bar.
Mr. Kasler, who Brent advertises as a weapons expert and former deputy
in his letters to AAFS, Attorney General Janet Reno, apparently was
given the opportunity to be a deputy trainee pending his succesful
completion of the California Law Enforcement Academy.
Mr. Kasler had also apparently managed to get his domestic partner,
Peggy Bird, hired as a deputy too, though apparently with his loss of
status as legal advisor this caused her to lose her 'position'.
In the ensuing 18 months Mr. Kasler failed to pass the academy. The
course normally takes 3 months. Really makes me wonder about his
credentials, you know?
When Sheriff Heard lost his job this past year due to voter rejection
of the results obtained when somebody outside the criminal justice
system is brought in and immediately surrounds himself by cronies, Mr.
Kasler also lost his job.
How unfortunate.
Apparently Mr. Kasler also has animals which are not licensed in the
city of Red Bluff and was issued a summons to appear before a judge.
Whilst engaging this judge in court, he unlawfully parked his
personally owned vehicle (he had lost all jobs relating to law
enforcement) his vehicle was towed by Red Bluff Police Department.
In accordance with Red Bluff Police Department SOP and California
State Law, the vehicle was inventoried (remember OJ?) revealing both
his collection of semi-automatic weapons and
his....well.....collection of....
adult
toys.
Would you like a copy of the inventory?
So Bill, choose your friends more carefully. People tend to judge you
by the company you keep.
You would be surprised how much you can learn with a few phone calls
and a computer.
Tell Brent that trying to snoop an I3 profile is not a good idea.
Ever.
Your buddy,
necromancer
frz...@i-2000.com
instead he posts more bullshit that we are expected to believe because he says
so.
as i used to tell my kid, making a mistake is bad, but not dealing with it or
lying about it much worse. necro is a child.
bill
"Anti's, proof of a living God." wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:48:22 -0400, frz...@i-2000.com wrote:
> >"Anti's, proof of a living God." (the paranoid star chamber member of the
> >newgroup aka Necrospew) wrote a bunch of bullshit: (i snipped all the lies
> >except this one which was necessary to make a point):
>
> Snip......
> Dear Bill,
> I took the liberty this past week of contacting three investigators...
he should have said "... instead of admitting my mistake, i will now try to
distract you with more necroshit.... "
yeah right!
Tesseract
>as usual, shaun could not be honorable enought to simply admit his mistake.
>instead he posts more bullshit that we are expected to believe because he says
>so.
>
>as i used to tell my kid, making a mistake is bad, but not dealing with it or
>lying about it much worse. necro is a child.
Actually Bill,
I spoke with both Sheriff Clay Parker as well as Captain Hosler.
Both of them have been at Tehama County for over fifteen years. Hosler
has been the operations officer for over five years.
When asked if Brent Turvey had ever consulted on the homicides he
claims to have been called on with 'Deputy' Kasler, they both laughed
and said Peter Kasler never had investigative authority in their
department.
I can't help but note that Mr. Turvey apparently decided to 'revise'
that part of his bullshit that referred to Kasler as a deputy the
entire time.
As to homicides, Captain Hosler was aware of all personnel assignments
regarding homicides. Keep revising, Brent. When the claim that Kasler
investigated anything but a donut and coffee is on there, I will quit
hammering.
http://www.forensic-science.com/instructors.html
"Peter Kasler was a Tehama County (CA) Deputy Sheriff from January,
the beginning of 1995, through the end of December, 1998. As the
Sheriff’s Consultant, Kasler was primarily concerned with liability
and officer safety matters, and was also involved in firearms training
and qualification, concealed weapons licenses, and writing policy and
training specifications. Deputy Kasler was also assigned as Special
Investigator for certain specific cases involving homicides and other
related crimes,"
Brent claims on his CV and his website to have participated in two
homicide investigations in Tehama County. Nobody in that department
corroborates his claim.
A call to the California Department of Justice and the State Attorney
Generals Office revealed that Brent's allegations of an investigation
into any homicide detective or anybody else in that department, as he
claims in his letter to AAFS, is entirely without foundation.
As of last week, the only person in Tehama County being investigated
by CAL-DOJ, is Peter Kasler. http://www.realitysource.com/
The nefarious Brent Turvey is convolving his statements so as to gain
his admission to court. Either his opinions have changed (which I
doubt), or he is lying because he knows that his opinions are not
accepted by the scientific community.
I trust he didn't get too much sun in Orlando.
You are welcome to deny that Brent Turvey and his cronie Peter Kasler
who is security director of a company of 150 (must have been a sizable
reduction in pay) that tests in the Mojave Desert. I'm sure that must
be a real treat. www.rotaryrocket.com/
I guess cronyism has it's price, doesn't it?
How many security guards does a company of 150 employ anyways? Four?
Director. Yeah. Sure. Right.
For a Juris Doctor to work as a security guard says a lot about Pete.
Guess losing his job at the radio station didn't help much either,
huh?
His website sucks BTW. The links are all dead.
BwwwaaaahhhhaaaaaaaHHaaaahHHAahahaHAa..
Scientist. Yeah. Right.
Just in case some of Brent's misguided sheep (other than you) read
this, I thought I might post a bit of what other's have to say about
him.
BTW, I did get Gregg and Richards permission.
What follows is an email from Gregg McCrary, a retired FBI profiler,
to Brent Turvey, active quack and charlatan and commited abolitionist.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"Thursday, May 14, 1998 1:31 PM
Dear Mr. Turvey,
I recently read your article title "Deductive Criminal Profiling". It
is full of factual errors and misinformation. Among your many factual
errors is the statement that John Douglas took over the Behavioral
Science Unit in 1984. In reality, he became Unit Chief in 1988, not
1984 (I was there working with John in the unit during the time he
became unity chief). Other "time-line" errors include a list of FBI
Profilers who you allege retired before 1980. Please be aware that
Peter Smerick, Tom Strenz, Roger DePue and Robert Hazelwood all
retired after 1980 (I attended their retirement parties)."
*******NECROMANCER NOTEBOOK********
Dumbass Turvey actually has a copy of
a document called "Behavior Analysis
Interview" dated 5-11-93 that bears
Mr. Smericks name, the margin of which
clearly shows the time and date as well
as Quantico, Virginia FBI.
Little things matter Brent. But then, it's not
not your life in the balance, is it?
****************************************************
"Your false dichotomy between "inductive" and "deductive" profiling is
really quite ridiculous. Profiling involves the integration of both
inductive and deductive reasoning. One starts with inductive
statistical probabilities and then goes to the case specific
circumstances to deductively analyze the
crime and crime scene. Another misrepresentation is that current FBI
Profiles "average less than a page long and offer no explanation for
the content of the profile. Most law enforcement agencies that this
author has discussed the issue with have had little or no use for
those types of profiles. nor do most courtrooms."
Most current and past FBI profiles, including many of detailed and
in-depth works prepared by Hazelwood, myself and other FBI Profilers
consisted of absolutely no pages. There is sound legal reasoning for
minimizing written documents which you are either unwilling or unable
to understand. As far as the courts are concerned, Mr. Turvey, no
profiling information is ever offered as testimony. Myself and my
colleagues continue to offer expert testimony throughout the world,
but never have we testified to a "profile" or to profiling information
- (whether "inductive" or "deductive"). I could correct your many
other errors, misrepresentations and misunderstandings, but have
neither the time nor patience to do so.
Gregg O. McCrary
Supervisory Special Agent
FBI (Retired)
________________________________________________________________
Posted with Permission of the Author.
The letter from Agent McCrary was prompted by Brent's posting to the
forens-l list of his analysis of the failures of the FBI's profiling
and his attempts at self-promotion, despite his lack of credible
experience as you've already seen.
It does not end there. Apparently Mr. Turvey decided to take some pot
shots at the VIDOCQ society.
Although Mr. Turvey knows very little about it, he thought that
attacking them might somehow boost his reputation.
Here's a copy of the letter from Richard Walter to Brent Turvey, a
psychologist with considerable experience and an excellent reputation,
who helped found the VIDOCQ society.
________________________________________________________________
"Recently, upon returning home from traveling abroad, I learned of
your attacks on the Vidocq Society, myself, et.al. As to your
criticisms of myself, the motives were transparently clear and do not
need a response. However, despite a dislike for feeding attention
-seeking antics, I have decided that your comments against the other
named people does merit a, once-only, response.
In the various communications about and with the Vidocq Society on
your Web Site, it was noted that the writings revealed an unearned air
of superiority by which you assume authority to chastise, correct, and
condemn. Apparently, except for those matters which incidentially
coincide with your current idiosyncratic beliefs, you cannot tolerate
a healthy world which does not mouth your brand of dogma and tyranny.
Although you attempted to mask your hubris by invoking claims of
ethics, it was clear to any reader that this flippant attempt was, at
best, disingenuous. Clearly, the real intent of your dialogue appears
to have been grounded in a tawdry effort to self-promote at the cost
of others.
Apparently, since you want to be the standard by which others are
judged, I decided to have a look at your qualifications to be a
Criminal Profiler. Here, when the facts are examined, they reveal
circumstances ironically similar to the claims that you made against
the others.
1.A telephone call to the University of Connecticut at New Haven
did confirm that you received an MS in Forensic Science in 1996.
2.On your Web page, you claimed that you studied under Dr. Robert
Gaensslen and Dr. Henry Lee for two years. Recently, while engaging in
a telephone chat with Dr. Henry Lee on other matters, I asked him
about your time with him. Simply stated, he did not know who you were.
Accordingly, I spelled your name for him. Again the same result. He
then advised that it may have been possible you had taken a course
from him, attended a lecture, or maybe followed him around on a case.
Whatever the circumstances, he reported it was common for some people
to make similar claims for ill-gotten legitimacy.
3. In your e-mail to William Fleisher on 10-24-98, you indicated that
you subscribe to the "ethical guidelines of professional conduct
established by the American Board of Criminalists". At the same time,
you advised that although you were not a Criminalist, you viewed them
to be a community standard.
Interesting, why did you borrow of them? Looking on the opportunistic
side, was it possible that a simply borrowing some ethics gave you a
springboard for attacking other, without being subject to
censure...because you were not a member. Alternatively, it could
possibly be that you have not found an academic or profesional group
which meets your standard, or vice versa.
While noting your criticisms of the ACFE, it is reasonable to assume
that neither party would entertain a membership for you.
Interestingly, a recent check of the 1998 membership list of the
American Academy of Forensic Sciences does not list your name. Given
the fact that Dr. Robert Gaensslen is the Editor for the Journal of
Forensic Sciences and that you claim that he a former mentor of yours,
it would seem to be a given for you to have attempted membership. In
particular, an added advantage to membership in the AAFS is that the
it has ethical standards which apply not only to Criminalists, but all
members! However, at this moment appears that you must have chosen be
an ethics' borrower.
4. In reference to work history, it was reported that you recently
attempted to be qualified as an Expert in Criminal Profiling, at
$400.00 per hour, in the State of Washington. However, you were deemed
unqualified because, amongst other reasons, you did not present ANY
credible work experience or product. That is, although you presented
various claimed cases worked, a check with the agencies revealed that
your involvement was restricted to an expressed interest...and
offering of services for fee. As the net result, your offers were
rejected and you had no claims or standing with the agencies.
5. Since the issue of professionalization recurs in your litany
against others, you should be aware that, amongst the criteria for
professionalization, a significant factor to be considered is the
recognition of your skills and talents by practitioners in the field.
As to this issue, there does not exist any known support from
practitioners for you. Seemingly, the practitioners that have heard of
you find your claims of expertise to be,,,"without cause"
Summary: Although you claim to be a Criminal Profiler, it would appear
that you self-identification is seriously challenged in the above
listed points. For it would appear that you are deficient in key areas
of : training, work experience, academic/professional organizations
which have binding standards for conduct, or professional recognition
amongst the known body of practitioners.
Comment: In the world of illusions, the daydreamer can stand before
the mirror and edit the image into the desired picture. Likewise, the
same daydreamer can sit in front of a computer and play a game of
"Captain Marvel-Crime Fighter" for an imagined sense of power and
worth. However, it should be remembered that in both instances, when
the light switch or computer button is turned off, the created image
disappears! Here, reality comes to reveal the cruelty and
juxtaposition between illusion and truth.
Suggestion: If the above comments have jostled your feelings, you
might want to re-evaluate your real assets and liabilities on a
balance sheet, apologize to your reader/subscribers, pull the computer
plug, and go in search of an identity and work that realistically
matches your skill and talents.
Richard Walter, M.A.
______________________________________________________________________
Having spoken with the principles mentioned by both Richard Walter and
Gregg McCrary, as well as the Yuba City Prosecutors Office, The
California Department of Justice, Stockton Police Department, Pierce
County Prosecutors Office, I can say that the allegations of both of
them are well founded in fact.
Nobody anywhere that had anything to say regarding Mr. Turvey suggests
even a slight bit of credibility with regards to the criminal justice
system.
I can't help but note that Dr. Saferstein is willing to step out on a
limb with an endorsement of Brent's writings, which at 80+ bucks a
pop, are probably making a real showing in Academy Press corporate
profit statement.
All I can guess is that Nick Fallon must not have much else to choose
from.
Your hero is a fraud.
necromancer
snip......
ador...@gmail.com
Yes, Brent is a character. That's okay. and a bit of hyperbole is tolerable from anyone such as he who may view it as self mocking humor. The guy is brilliant and remarkably perceptive.