Death PENALTY not Death DETERRENT
Gerald Burgess
Thats right. It is the good old death PENALTY not the Death DETERRENT.
Same as it ever was.
I am tired of hearing the liberal pukes arguments, including, but not
limited to:
1. It is disproportionate to Negroes.
If Negroes want to stop getting sentenced to death, they should
stop committing capital murder in such disproportionate numbers.
2. That most people dont support it.
Such bullshit, nobody ever asked me or any of my friends.
3. That it is not cost effective.
Also bullshit, because if not for the liberal puke A-C-L-U (which
needs to get A-C-L-U-E) it would be mch less costly. This is like an
inmate saying he is tired of being in prison though he continues to
committ crimes.
4. That it is inhumane
Right. Give me a fucking break here, like the maggots who are
executed deserve any humanity at all.
5. And finally, that it is not a deterrent.
By far th worst one of all, nobody ever said it as a deterrent. Nowhere
in the law is there any provision to allow punishment to serve as a
deterrent. If it ever serves as a deterrent, it is only an incidental
helpful side effect. ANd yes, it does PERMANENTLY deter the Criminal.
Seen John gacy out raping young boys lately?
Dan Hogg
In article <5g5dso$1f...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>, BWB...@prodigy.com (Gerald Burgess) belched:
|> Thats right. It is the good old death PENALTY not the Death DETERRENT.
|> Same as it ever was.
|> I am tired of hearing the liberal pukes arguments, including, but not
|> limited to:
|>
|> 1. It is disproportionate to Negroes.
|> If Negroes want to stop getting sentenced to death, they should
|> stop committing capital murder in such disproportionate numbers.
From the Boston Globe, 3/12/97: "White criminals make up three-fourths of the
convictions under 'drug kingpin' drug trafficking cases. But two-thirds of
those chosen for death penalty prosecutions since 1988 have been African-
American, and a total of 80 percent are people of color."
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the proportion of white prosecutors in
these cases?
|>
|> 2. That most people dont support it.
|> Such bullshit, nobody ever asked me or any of my friends.
Must be your winsome ways. :-)
|>
|> 3. That it is not cost effective.
|> Also bullshit, because if not for the liberal puke A-C-L-U (which
|> needs to get A-C-L-U-E) it would be mch less costly. This is like an
|> inmate saying he is tired of being in prison though he continues to
|> committ crimes.
Er, remember the Supreme Court? Remember that great liberal Chief Justice,
Warren Burger who lead the Court in establishing the rules for acceptable dp
prosecutions? If you need a scapegoat, try focussing on those who made the
rules, not those who exercise them. I notice you've used your absence (which
we here recall fondly) to learn to spell. Now if we could just work on the
thinking part...
|>
|> 4. That it is inhumane
|> Right. Give me a fucking break here, like the maggots who are
|> executed deserve any humanity at all.
Would those "maggots" include the 65 factually innocent people who've managed
to prove their innocence? How about the 3,000 or so who the courts concluded
were sentenced to death for illegal reasons? Perhaps the "maggots" you have in
mind those 11 prosecutors and police in Chicago who've been indicted for
conspiring to plant evidence and actually managed to get 4 men put on death row
for up to 19 years despite their factual innocence. I think we might have an
area of common ground there.
|>
|> 5. And finally, that it is not a deterrent.
|> By far th worst one of all, nobody ever said it as a deterrent. Nowhere
|> in the law is there any provision to allow punishment to serve as a
|> deterrent. If it ever serves as a deterrent, it is only an incidental
|> helpful side effect. ANd yes, it does PERMANENTLY deter the Criminal.
|> Seen John gacy out raping young boys lately?
Gerry - it's pro-dp'ers that try to claim the dp deters. After your next
absence (which we're looking forward to) maybe you can try to take up reading
and then you'll be able to see who is claiming what. The anti position,
articulated widely, is that there is no definitive proof of deterrence hence
there cannot be a reliable claim made that it does deter. It would be nice if
the evidence were clear, but it isn't. The only people to whom it's clear are
those who don't read the evidence. And that speaks for itself.
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Reckless levity and ideological nonconformity killed Socrates
Mr Desmond E. Coughlan
In article <5g9t7a$8...@mailgate.lexis-nexis.com>, written on Thu, 13 Mar
1997, Dan Hogg <da...@lexis-nexis.com> wrote:
>|> 1. It is disproportionate to Negroes.
>|> If Negroes want to stop getting sentenced to death, they should
>|> stop committing capital murder in such disproportionate numbers.
>
>From the Boston Globe, 3/12/97: "White criminals make up three-fourths of the
>convictions under 'drug kingpin' drug trafficking cases. But two-thirds of
>those chosen for death penalty prosecutions since 1988 have been African-
>American, and a total of 80 percent are people of color."
>
>Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the proportion of white prosecutors in
>these cases?
>
You're wasting your time with people like this, Dan. They see simple
numbers, with no idea of proportionality, and simply assume that blacks
make up such a large proportion of death row inmates, simply because
"dem niggas won't stop killin' folks!!" During the seventies, for
example, blacks were sent to death row _eleven_ times more frequently
than whites. This doesn't deal with how many people were murderered,
but states, quite plainly, that if a black murders, he is eleven times
more likely to be executed, than if a white murders someone. I have
other figures on this, which I shall dig out for this evening, when I
get back from work.
You know, Mr Burgess is the type of person whom one would have been
expected to see, sitting at home with his beer, listening to Martin
Luther King, and screaming at the top of his voice, "There ain't no
racism in the US of A!! Why can't those niggas see that???!!!"
--
Mr Desmond E. Coughlan
D.Cou...@maudit.demon.co.uk
http://www.maudit.demon.co.uk
"We got loud guitars and big suspicions, Great big guns and small
ambitions, And we still argue over who is God."
Sheryl Crow
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Gerald Burgess
Fuck all of you liberals. You really don't matter you know, with your
same old bullshit arguments that dont hold water. You are all on the
losing side and cant stand it, so rant and rave alll you want, there may
be an execution coming to a prison near you tonight.
Avital Pilpel
Mr Desmond E. Coughlan wrote:
>
> You're wasting your time with people like this, Dan. They see simple
> numbers, with no idea of proportionality, and simply assume that blacks
> make up such a large proportion of death row inmates, simply because
> "dem niggas won't stop killin' folks!!"
So far, you are right.
> During the seventies, for
> example, blacks were sent to death row _eleven_ times more frequently
> than whites. This doesn't deal with how many people were murderered,
> but states, quite plainly, that if a black murders, he is eleven times
> more likely to be executed, than if a white murders someone.
Not exactly.
Most of the discussion whether the death penalty is racist or not depends
on what is the right reference class. for example, if we take in this
case as a reference class the number of blacks/whites in the population,
then since blacks are about 10% of the US population, and recieve 11 times
the number of death sentences, that means that they are about _100_ times
as likely to be executed.
But this, of course, has another hidden assumption: That blacks committ
murders with the same relative frequency as whites. That is not true;
there is a higher murder rate - both in murders and number of killers -
among blacks.
But if we take as a representive group the group of convicted killers,
then this is still (by far) a mostly white group, even though there are
more blacks there than their number in the population (I am not implying
by any means that blacks are therefore "more violent" or anything of the
sort. That feeling comes from the corelation between blacks and higher
crime rates - that ignores the third factor that is the real cause,
namely, that more blacks are poor and most criminals are poor). So if we
look at THIS reference group, it still seems like a very racist policy.
But I submit that this, too, is NOT the right reference class. the reason
is that only a minority of murder trials are capital cases. this is
usually reserved to the most severe murders.
so, in order to see whether the death penalty is racist or not, we need to
see:
1. what is the white/black proportion among the cases that are potentially
capital cases.
2. how many of these are sentence to death and why.
I tend to think that here, too, we will discover racism; mainly, becasue
the number of blacks who recieve the DP for killing whites, or are tired
as capital offenders for this crime, is much higher than that of whites
who recieve it for killing blacks.
> Mr Desmond E. Coughlan
--
Avital Pilpel.
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The majority is never right.
-Lazarus Long
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Avital Pilpel
Gerald Burgess wrote:
>
> Fuck all of you liberals. You really don't matter you know
We don't know.
>, with your
> same old bullshit arguments that dont hold water.
As opposed to this artivculate and bright response.
> You are all on the
> losing side and cant stand it, so rant and rave alll you want
unlike you, I guess.
>, there may
> be an execution coming to a prison near you tonight.
and that proves that...?
Alan
In article <5gcr7q$17...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>,
BWB...@prodigy.com (Gerald Burgess) wrote:
> Fuck all of you liberals.
What language. Tut, tut, is that the way your fanily brought you up.
You really don't matter you know, with your
> same old bullshit arguments that dont hold water.
And this diatribe does hold water, what's wrong are you incapable of
explaining how an argument does not hold water?
>You are all on the losing side and cant stand it, so rant and rave alll
you >want, there may be an execution coming to a prison near you tonight.
Don't be so parochial.
Throughout Western Europe, in Austrailia, Canada and many other parts of
the world the death penalty is banned. Even in some states of the USA the
death penalty is banned, Sorry, but you are in a minority.
Of course in countries like Iran, Iraq, etc., it is not banned. Don't
birds of a feather flock together.
Is it not time America became more civilised and abolished the Death Penalty.
Alan