Palin's book appropriately received in SF area
Earl Evleth
Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
Bay Area not maverick enough to read Palin book
Steve Rubenstein, Special to The Chronicle
Thursday, November 19, 2009
It might as well have cooties. Hardly anyone wants to touch the thing, or
even get close to it.
The new autobiography by moose hunter and failed vice presidential candidate
Sarah Palin is harder to find in the Bay Area than a hockey mom. Some
bookstores figure it's one of those grit-your-teeth First Amendment deals
that principled booksellers must put up with from time to time.
But many nonchain bookstores won't handle it.
"Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller at
Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
There's not a single copy on the shelf. Embretson said no one has asked for
it except for one guy, who was kidding.
"He said he wanted to look at it but he also said he didn't really want to
read it," Embretson said. "Anyway, he certainly didn't want to buy it. I
think he regarded looking at it as a kind of punishment."
There are no copies of the book at Cover to Cover Booksellers in Noe Valley,
either.
"Anything like that we wouldn't carry," said clerk Emily Stackhouse. "We're
a small store and it would probably gross us all out. Some things you carry
because of freedom of speech, but a book like that is just gross."
One customer did put in a special request for the book one evening but,
perhaps thinking better in the light of day, failed to show up and actually
pay money for it, Stackhouse said.
Sheryl Cotleur, the head buyer for Book Passage, which operates stores in
Corte Madera and San Francisco, said the two stores have sold exactly two
copies of the book. That works out to one copy per store. Cotleur said two
other people have asked to look at the book but no one else has asked to buy
it.
"Nobody around here is particularly interested in her politics or her
opinions," she said. "There's a certain curiosity, sure. But I don't think
that translates into what people are willing to pay money for."
Had she ordered 50 copies of the book, Cotleur said, she would probably wind
up shipping 50 copies of the book back to the publisher in a couple of
weeks.
"I would expect to take a bath on it," she said. "The job of a book buyer is
to be something of a psychic. You have to know your community. I don't want
to waste a lot of money and shelf space on a book nobody wants.'
For the record, Palin's book is titled "Going Rogue." It's 432 pages long,
sells for $28.99, came out on Tuesday and has few endearing things to say
about TV journalists, Democrats or Sen. John McCain's campaign aides, all of
whom done her wrong.
The large chains have got modest supplies of the book and, so far, the sales
have been equally modest. At Borders bookstore in San Francisco Centre, a
Chronicle reporter stood watch over two small stacks of the Palin book near
the front doors. In a 25-minute period, only one person bought a copy. He
turned out to be a visitor from out of state.
"I'm a conservative and I'm from Montana," said the buyer, Walter Kero, as
he waited to plunk down his $17.40. Borders, aware of what it may be up
against, has already marked the book 40 percent off.
Kero, an accountant in San Francisco for a convention, said he was heading
for the airport and needed something to read on the flight home. "She
intrigues me," Kero said. "She has her pluses and minuses. She's a lightning
rod. Either you like her or you can't stand her. I like her and I'm not sure
she's been given the benefit of the doubt. I'm also not sure she's qualified
to be president.'
Clerk Darron Smith, whose job it was to keep the small stack of Palin books
in their place on the new bookshelf, next to the Stephen King horror novel
and the James Patterson murder mystery, said Borders stocks the book because
that's what responsible bookstores do.
"I would never read it myself," he said. "I also would never push it on
anyone. But it's here, if somebody wants to ask for it. So far, I haven't
had anyone ask."
M'Balz Es-Hari
news:C72B1063.189CB0%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller
> at
> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>
>
>
>
> Bay Area not maverick enough to read Palin book
> Steve Rubenstein, Special to The Chronicle
> Thursday, November 19, 2009
>
> It might as well have cooties. Hardly anyone wants to touch the thing, or
> even get close to it.
>
> The new autobiography by moose hunter and failed vice presidential
> candidate
> Sarah Palin is harder to find in the Bay Area than a hockey mom.
Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
Surprising, though, as I'd imagine alot of people in the Oakland area would
have been pleased with her being Obama's running mate!
*snicker*
Earl Evleth
"M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
It is the Bay area, stupid. Very liberal from
Santa Clara on up to Napa and the wine country.
Obama got 61% of the vote. San Francisco
was 84%, Santa Clara (where we vote) was
70%. Even in hyper right wing Orange count
he only lost 48% tp 50%
He lost mostly in the low vote rural backward
areas like Modoc (95 voted).
Of course Palin drags McCain in California.
The problem was in getting people to the polls,
they were laughing too much.
John Rennie
> On 19/11/09 16:10, in article he3n4v$10h$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
>
>
> It is the Bay area, stupid.
You're replying to normal Mike not sub normal Mike
so watch your language!
M'Balz Es-Hari
Let me spell it out for you, stupid.
The person you quoted was in Oakland, not Santa Clara, Napa, or any of the
whine & cheese areas.
Alameda county, where Obama got 79% of the vote, probably by alot of people
who just voted for him because he was black.
M'Balz Es-Hari
news:9cydndAh8rQ_-pjW...@giganews.com...
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> On 19/11/09 16:10, in article he3n4v$10h$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
>>
>>
>> It is the Bay area, stupid.
>
> You're replying to normal Mike not sub normal Mike
> so watch your language!
I don't think it would matter to him.
Earl Evleth
"M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Alameda county, where Obama got 79% of the vote, probably by alot of people
> who just voted for him because he was black
The state does not have more than 11-12% Black and went
overwhelmingly for him!
Earl Evleth
"M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> You're replying to normal Mike not sub normal Mike
>> so watch your language!
>
> I don't think it would matter to him.
Once a Mike always a Mike.
M'Balz Es-Hari
But we are talking about Oakland...
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> "John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
> news:9cydndAh8rQ_-pjW...@giganews.com...
>> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>> On 19/11/09 16:10, in article he3n4v$10h$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
>>>
>>>
>>> It is the Bay area, stupid.
>>
>> You're replying to normal Mike not sub normal Mike
>> so watch your language!
>
> I don't think it would matter to him.
It pains me to say it, but Earl has lost the plot.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of
one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that
oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the
beginning if it is to be stopped at all'
(H.L. Mencken)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
PJ O'Donovan
of people
who just voted for him because he was black
MBalz>>
<The state does not have more than 11-12% Black and went
overwhelmingly for him!
Evleth>
But Californication also has a large Hispanic population and like the
African Americans everywhere supported Obama by cult-like pluralities
salivating in order to put "whitey" in his place with that election.
Nationally, Obama only got 41% of the white male vote, 46% of the
white female vote, yielding 43% of the white vote overall nationally.
I haven't bothered to check all of the states but ultra ultra hyper
liberal Californication is one of the very few individual state
exceptions in the whole country where Obama garnered a majority of the
white vote.
Since Californians in the metaphorical land of fruits and nuts vote in
"goose step" er "lock step" with each'n other, for Leftism both
Evleths are really wasting their time by voting there.
Earl Evleth
"M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> But we are talking about Oakland...
The Black and White populations of Oakland
are about the same 35.7 and 31% and the Blacks
do not represent a majority.
Have you been there, really? There some
yuppie upscale areas, I know one
UC Professor who lives there. I
remember eating there at a fine restaurant
years ago, invited by my Berkeley hosts.
And you Mike, what is your experience or
are you locked up in your stereotype image
of Oakland?
Earl Evleth
"yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)" <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It pains me to say it, but Earl has lost the plot.
Gotta a job yet?
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller at
> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>
This is a kind of censorship. Of course they have the right to not
carry the book, but this active effort to not hear out the other
side is disturbing.
--
What I hate about flip flops is the flip and the flop.
Earl Evleth
'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller at
>> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>>
> This is a kind of censorship.
You offer what sells. Oakland, and Northern California
is not Palin land. Her sales (orchestrated) will do well
in the small towns where the small minded people live.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:C72B21A4.189CD7%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> > On 19/11/09 16:10, in article he3n4v$10h$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> > "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe the demographic has alot to do with it?
> >
> >
> > It is the Bay area, stupid. Very liberal from
> > Santa Clara on up to Napa and the wine country.
> > Obama got 61% of the vote. San Francisco
> > was 84%, Santa Clara (where we vote) was
> > 70%. Even in hyper right wing Orange count
> > he only lost 48% tp 50%
> >
> > He lost mostly in the low vote rural backward
> > areas like Modoc (95 voted).
> >
> > Of course Palin drags McCain in California.
> > The problem was in getting people to the polls,
> > they were laughing too much.
> >
>
> Let me spell it out for you, stupid.
> The person you quoted was in Oakland, not Santa Clara, Napa, or any of the
> whine & cheese areas.
> Alameda county, where Obama got 79% of the vote, probably by alot of people
> who just voted for him because he was black.
I seriously doubt that, Mike. A lot of people (don't write "alot" - I
know that everyone's doing it but it's just plain wrong and it drives me
up the wall[1]) in that area probably would have voted for Woody
Woodpecker if he was a Democrat. The reason? That area is full of
pinko commie liberals. Earl is rude but correct in this case.
[1] - You're going to continue to do it just to piss me off, aren't you?
--
The Professor: Ha! A Dolphin! Well I'll be buggered.
Satan: Never say that in Hell, Prof.
- Andy Hamilton, Old Harry's Game
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <<Alameda county, where Obama got 79% of the vote, probably by alot
> of people
> who just voted for him because he was black
>
> MBalz>>
>
> <The state does not have more than 11-12% Black and went
> overwhelmingly for him!
>
> Evleth>
>
> But Californication also has a large Hispanic population and like the
> African Americans everywhere supported Obama by cult-like pluralities
Just as rural, white males supported McCain in cult-like pluralities
(note correct preposition, you illiterate moonbat).
It's another one of those irregular verbs, isn't it?
I vote for my candidate.
You follow your candidate like a sheep.
He has joined an evil cult.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
points of view is to appeal to those who are willing to look at all
sides of issues. If the people of Oakland refuse to look at all
sides, it would seem like they are the small minded ones. But we
don't even know that since all we have is the word of some book
sellers who'd happily censor Palin if it meant her voice couldn't
be heard.
BTW, I seek out opposing views, usually only discussing issues with
those who disagree with me. By your rule, I must not be "small
minded". Will you be reading Palin? Are you small minded, Earl?
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
> points of view is to appeal to those who are willing to look at all
> sides of issues.
The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
> > points of view is to appeal to those who are willing to look at all
> > sides of issues.
>
> The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
> they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
>
If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
providing a very good book service. People who start book stores in
order to make books less available are a sic lot.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
> > > points of view is to appeal to those who are willing to look at all
> > > sides of issues.
> >
> > The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
> > they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
> >
> If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
> providing a very good book service.
Most book stores aren't a "service", Bill. Most book stores are
_businesses_ and the whole point of a business is to turn a profit. In
the retail world, that means moving units. A corollary to that is that
a sensible retailer does not purchase stock that will not sell.
You really are quite disconnected from the real world.
> People who start book stores in
> order to make books less available are a sic lot.
How many people do any such thing, Bill?
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
> > > > points of view is to appeal to those who are willing to look at all
> > > > sides of issues.
> > >
> > > The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
> > > they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
> > >
> > If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
> > providing a very good book service.
>
> Most book stores aren't a "service", Bill. Most book stores are
> _businesses_ and the whole point of a business is to turn a profit. In
> the retail world, that means moving units. A corollary to that is that
> a sensible retailer does not purchase stock that will not sell.
>
What appears to be happening is the book sellers are intentionally
not carrying a book that they could sell because of their own
preconceived notions, their own efforts at censorship.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
But your bedside lamp appears to you to be a winged monkey telling you
to listen to the voices in your head so, in this case, I imagine that
appearances are deceiving.
Earl Evleth
> The very purpose of putting books in your shop that include all
> points of view ---
Well that immediately leaves out Palin. She lacks a valid one.
Earl Evleth
1j9gujm.aptgdn6co0l1N%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
> they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
For instance, my wife's books did not find their way into
a local book store. Why, because academic books are not
normally displayed in your run of the mill books stores.
They don't sell. My wife never yelled "censorship"
The except is a all purpose bookstore like Foyles in
London, it carrys academic works;
Earl Evleth
> If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
> providing a very good book service.
It is market driven, that is your mantra so apply it.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
You seem to be hallucinating, perhaps from a fever, you'd say maybe
that your "hands felt just like two balloons"?
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 19/11/09 20:12, in article
> 1j9gujm.aptgdn6co0l1N%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
> Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
>
> > The very purpose of putting books in a shop is to _sell_them_, Bill. If
> > they don't sell then more fool the bookseller for getting them in.
>
> For instance, my wife's books did not find their way into
> a local book store. Why, because academic books are not
> normally displayed in your run of the mill books stores.
> They don't sell. My wife never yelled "censorship"
>
Presumably Palins books would sell if people could see them out and
ready for sale.
> The except is a all purpose bookstore like Foyles in
> London, it carrys academic works;
>
That's nice to know.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
I can comment about book sellers who decide what people want to buy
and refuse to display alternative viewpoints.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Heaven help us all, Earl has found another open mic.
Mike
> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller at
> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>
> Steve Rubenstein, Special to The Chronicle
> Thursday, November 19, 2009
>
> It might as well have cooties. Hardly anyone wants to touch the thing, or
> even get close to it.
>
> The new autobiography by moose hunter and failed vice presidential candidate
> Sarah Palin is harder to find in the Bay Area than a hockey mom. Some
> bookstores figure it's one of those grit-your-teeth First Amendment deals
> that principled booksellers must put up with from time to time.
>
> But many nonchain bookstores won't handle it.
>
> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller at
> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>
> it except for one guy, who was kidding.
>
> "He said he wanted to look at it but he also said he didn't really want to
> read it," Embretson said. "Anyway, he certainly didn't want to buy it. I
> think he regarded looking at it as a kind of punishment."
>
> There are no copies of the book at Cover to Cover Booksellers in Noe Valley,
> either.
>
> "Anything like that we wouldn't carry," said clerk Emily Stackhouse. "We're
> a small store and it would probably gross us all out. Some things you carry
> because of freedom of speech, but a book like that is just gross."
>
> One customer did put in a special request for the book one evening but,
> perhaps thinking better in the light of day, failed to show up and actually
> pay money for it, Stackhouse said.
>
> Sheryl Cotleur, the head buyer for Book Passage, which operates stores in
> Corte Madera and San Francisco, said the two stores have sold exactly two
> copies of the book. That works out to one copy per store. Cotleur said two
> other people have asked to look at the book but no one else has asked to buy
> it.
>
> "Nobody around here is particularly interested in her politics or her
> opinions," she said. "There's a certain curiosity, sure. But I don't think
> that translates into what people are willing to pay money for."
>
> Had she ordered 50 copies of the book, Cotleur said, she would probably wind
> up shipping 50 copies of the book back to the publisher in a couple of
> weeks.
>
> "I would expect to take a bath on it," she said. "The job of a book buyer is
> to be something of a psychic. You have to know your community. I don't want
> to waste a lot of money and shelf space on a book nobody wants.'
>
> For the record, Palin's book is titled "Going Rogue." It's 432 pages long,
> sells for $28.99, came out on Tuesday and has few endearing things to say
> about TV journalists, Democrats or Sen. John McCain's campaign aides, all of
> whom done her wrong.
>
> The large chains have got modest supplies of the book and, so far, the sales
> have been equally modest. At Borders bookstore in San Francisco Centre, a
> Chronicle reporter stood watch over two small stacks of the Palin book near
> the front doors. In a 25-minute period, only one person bought a copy. He
> turned out to be a visitor from out of state.
>
> "I'm a conservative and I'm from Montana," said the buyer, Walter Kero, as
> he waited to plunk down his $17.40. Borders, aware of what it may be up
> against, has already marked the book 40 percent off.
>
> Kero, an accountant in San Francisco for a convention, said he was heading
> for the airport and needed something to read on the flight home. "She
> intrigues me," Kero said. "She has her pluses and minuses. She's a lightning
> rod. Either you like her or you can't stand her. I like her and I'm not sure
> she's been given the benefit of the doubt. I'm also not sure she's qualified
> to be president.'
>
> Clerk Darron Smith, whose job it was to keep the small stack of Palin books
> in their place on the new bookshelf, next to the Stephen King horror novel
> and the James Patterson murder mystery, said Borders stocks the book because
> that's what responsible bookstores do.
>
> "I would never read it myself," he said. "I also would never push it on
> anyone. But it's here, if somebody wants to ask for it. So far, I haven't
> had anyone ask."
Ahh, San Francisco...home to illegal aliens, pimps and drug dealers.
I doubt they even own a book...
John Rennie
expedition to find what you want tho'.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> The exceptio, is a all purpose bookstore like Foyles in
>> London, it carrys academic works;
>>
> It carries everything. You have to mount an
> expedition to find what you want tho'.
I have to ask sometimes. Our passing through
London when traveling to and from London
is done for a variety of reasons among
which are a visit to the books stores
one Charring Cross.
Strand Books in NY city may be better except
for academic books since it sells also use
and out of print books
828 Broadway "This place is huge. They specialize in reviewers' copies for
half-price, used books, and the out of print. "The Strand is one of the
world's largest bookstores, and yet the employees there, unlike those in
many smaller bookstores, really do know what is on the shelves and can tell
you immediately whether or not they have what you are looking for"
New York City is a huge market place with many things sold at all sorts
of prices usually much lower than in Europe.
I remember the uncle of close NY friend who had hundreds of ties. I ask
him why he had so many and he said he could never resist a bargain!`
He was also a "pack rat", when he died his nephews found his apartment
full of every thing possible to the ceilings. When the started hauling
that away they accidentally found old unredeemed and still good US Savings`
bonds stashed between the pages of magazines. So they had to go through
the whole collection page by page. In another location they found a box of
unset diamonds. It was a real treasure hunt but I think the ties were
tossed!
`
Happy99
"M'Balz Es-Hari" <texa...@hotmail.com> a �crit dans le message de
news:he3n4v$10h$1...@news.eternal-september.org...> news:C72B1063.189CB0%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
>> "Our customers are thinking people," said Nathan Embretson, a bookseller
>> at
>> Pendragon Books in Oakland. "They're not into reading drivel."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bay Area not maverick enough to read Palin book
>> Steve Rubenstein, Special to The Chronicle
>> Thursday, November 19, 2009
>>
>> It might as well have cooties. Hardly anyone wants to touch the thing, or
>> even get close to it.
>>
>> The new autobiography by moose hunter and failed vice presidential
>> candidate
>> Sarah Palin is harder to find in the Bay Area than a hockey mom.
>
> would have been pleased with her being Obama's running mate!
> *snicker*
>
>
PJ O'Donovan
> On 19/11/09 18:46, in article he409c$tk...@news.eternal-september.org,
>
> "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But we are talking about Oakland...
>
> The Black and White populations of Oakland
> are about the same 35.7 and 31% and the Blacks
> do not represent a majority.
>
> Have you been there, really? There some
> yuppie upscale areas, I know one
> UC Professor who lives there. I
> remember eating there at a fine restaurant
> years ago, invited by my Berkeley hosts.
>
> And you Mike, what is your experience or
> are you locked up in your stereotype image
> of Oakland?
<<But we are talking about Oakland...
MBalz>>
<The Black and White populations of Oakland
are about the same 35.7 and 31% .... what is your experience or
are you locked up in your stereotype image
of Oakland?
Evleth>
My younger son got his graduate degrees UC Berkeley and lived in that
area for about 8 years. For some of those years he chose to live in
nearby Oakland primarily for economic considerations
combined with relative proximity to the campus since he had no car of
his own.
On our initial visit with him out there he suggested we stay at the
Jack london Inn for a few nights at http://www.jacklondoninn.com/default.asp
due to the proximity to where he was living at that time and since our
son advised against renting a car.
It was an interesting multicultural area but the sound of multiple gun
shots going all night long every single night sounded like a combat
zone. I never stayed in such a place in all of the USof A despite the
situation in CA below:
wiki:
"..Forty-four states have a provision in their state constitutions
similar to the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights (the exceptions
are California,......."
The ever present police department patrolling Oakland looked more like
an army constantly prepared for combat rather than the occasional
police one would be accustomed to seeing in most other American
cities.
On subsequent visits when he lived in Oakland we rented a car stayed
near the airport and drove in to see him during the day while in later
years our son lived in downtown SFO and took public transportation to
the Berkeley campus
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:50:36 +0000
> Subject: Re: Palin's book appropriately received in SF area
It may be that they are simply aware of the market forces in their area.
That is the capitalist way.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: Mike <foeha...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:29:02 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Palin's book appropriately received in SF area
>
>
> Ahh, San Francisco...home to illegal aliens, pimps and drug dealers.
> I doubt they even own a book...
City Lights is an independent bookstore- publisher combination that
specializes in world literature, the arts, and progressive politics. It also
houses the nonprofit City Lights Foundation, which publishes selected titles
related to San Francisco culture. It was founded in 1953 by poet Lawrence
Ferlinghetti and Peter D. Martin (who left two years later). Both the store
and the publishers became widely known following the obscenity trial of
Ferlinghetti for publishing Allen Ginsberg's influential poem Howl and Other
Poems (City Lights, 1956). Nancy Peters started working there in 1971 and
retired as executive director in 2007. In 2001, City Lights was made an
official historic landmark. City Lights is located at the nexus of North
Beach and Chinatown in San Francisco.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
I think that often booksellers have attempted to control the
availability of books. THis is a bad idea, especially when we are
talking simply about the most protected of speech, political
speech.
Earl Evleth
> I think that often booksellers have attempted to control the
> availability of books.
Why?
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
There may be a political motive. I'm not sure why someone who
thinks himself a "liberal" would want to do that, but then Liberals
are often confusing like that.
Mike
> > From: Mike <foehamme...@yahoo.com>
My point was that San Fran is not the standard of excellence that the
Liberals think it is.
Earl Evleth
>> Why?
>>
> There may be a political motive.
They lose money and may lose a steady
customer. No practical motive.
Earl Evleth
70e6d9c1-64d9-4b51...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My point was that San Fran is not the standard of excellence that the
> Liberals think it is.
Give us YOUR list of various cities and their standard of excellence
(whatever that is)
As favorite places to visit however it ranks high, especially with
foreigners. I have met a number. Personally NYC is better
but SF ranks relatively high.
****
San Francisco voted the best American city to visit
Oct 18, 2009
A travel magazine announced that San Francisco was voted the top city to
visit in the U.S. in the publication's annual survey of its readers, the
17th year in a row the city has won the category.
The poll of more than 25,000 readers was done by Conde Nast Traveler, and
San Francisco finished second only to Sydney, Australia, for the best cities
to visit in the world.
San Francisco topped the U.S. list, with Charleston, S.C., and Santa Fe,
N.M. finishing second and third.
"San Francisco continues to be recognized for its scenic beauty, diverse
neighborhoods, restaurants and cultural attractions by travelers worldwide,"
San Francisco Convention and Visitor Bureau President Joe D'Alessandro said
in a statement.
The cities were rated on atmosphere/ambience, culture/sites, friendliness,
lodging, restaurants, and shopping.
The magazine's readers also chose Virgin America, a San Francisco-based
airline, as the top domestic airline for the second year in a row.
The complete results of the poll will appear in the November issue of the
magazine, which goes on newsstands on Oct. 20. The results are also on the
magazine's Web site at www.cntraveler.com/readerschoice.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
So why would they not carry even a single copy of books that are
deemed by them to be evil Conservative nonsense?
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:50:04 +0000
So I suggest you take a load of the collected works of Karl Marx into a
small town in the heart of the Bible Belt and see how many copies you sell.
Let us know what happens.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: Mike <foeha...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:21:49 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Palin's book appropriately received in SF area
>
> On Nov 20, 7:59�am, Donna Evleth <devl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> From: Mike <foehamme...@yahoo.com>
>>> Organization:http://groups.google.com
>>> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:29:02 -0800 (PST)
>>> Subject: Re: Palin's book appropriately received in SF area
>>
>>> Ahh, San Francisco...home to illegal aliens, pimps and drug dealers.
>>> I doubt they even own a book...
>>
>> City Lights is an independent bookstore- publisher combination that
>> specializes in world literature, the arts, and progressive politics. It also
>> houses the nonprofit City Lights Foundation, which publishes selected titles
>> related to San Francisco culture. It was founded in 1953 by poet Lawrence
>> Ferlinghetti and Peter D. Martin (who left two years later). Both the store
>> and the publishers became widely known following the obscenity trial of
>> Ferlinghetti for publishing Allen Ginsberg's influential poem Howl and Other
>> Poems (City Lights, 1956). Nancy Peters started working there in 1971 and
>> retired as executive director in 2007. In 2001, City Lights was made an
>> official historic landmark. City Lights is located at the nexus of North
>> Beach and Chinatown in San Francisco.
>>
>> Donna Evleth
>
> My point was that San Fran is not the standard of excellence that the
> Liberals think it is.
But that isn't what you said. You talked about illegal aliens, pimps and
drug dealers, and you doubted that they even own a book. I merely refuted
that.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
> presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
> one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
It is also a commercial imperative. If a bookseller does not think that
a title will sell then that is their prerogative and they are entitled
not to stock it. In BillWorld, the fascist thought police may be
entitled to trample over the free market and require bookstores to stock
conservative tomes but not in the real world, thankfully.
Mike
Downtown San Fran is a freakshow. Transient street people, drug
dealers and the gay/lesbian crowd who sneer at families. It's a big
joke to them.
Dump.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
> > presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
> > one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
>
> It is also a commercial imperative. If a bookseller does not think that
> a title will sell then that is their prerogative and they are entitled
> not to stock it. In BillWorld, the fascist thought police may be
> entitled to trample over the free market and require bookstores to stock
> conservative tomes but not in the real world, thankfully.
>
Now it's "fascism" to believe that people should have access to
books? You are pretty kooky.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
> > > presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
> > > one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
> >
> > It is also a commercial imperative. If a bookseller does not think that
> > a title will sell then that is their prerogative and they are entitled
> > not to stock it. In BillWorld, the fascist thought police may be
> > entitled to trample over the free market and require bookstores to stock
> > conservative tomes but not in the real world, thankfully.
> >
> Now it's "fascism" to believe that people should have access to
> books?
It's fascism to require bookstores to stock certain books.
> You are pretty kooky.
No, Bill, it is you who is the nutbar. After all, you would trample
over free enterprise and require booksellers to stock conservative
books.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
>
> Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
> > > > presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
> > > > one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
> > >
> > > It is also a commercial imperative. If a bookseller does not think that
> > > a title will sell then that is their prerogative and they are entitled
> > > not to stock it. In BillWorld, the fascist thought police may be
> > > entitled to trample over the free market and require bookstores to stock
> > > conservative tomes but not in the real world, thankfully.
> > >
> > Now it's "fascism" to believe that people should have access to
> > books?
>
> It's fascism to require bookstores to stock certain books.
>
I didn't require them to carry any books. I said that not carrying
the current and obviously best selling books is an attempt to
censor and to limit the availability of materials that book store
owner disagrees with on a *political* basis.
> > You are pretty kooky.
>
> No, Bill, it is you who is the nutbar.
>
This is unlikely.
> After all, you would trample
> over free enterprise and require booksellers to stock conservative
> books.
>
I never claimed that. That doesn't mean I can't point out the
wrongness of deciding not to stock books that are clearly best
sellers to prevent people from reading things that you disagree
with.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> >
> > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
> > > > <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > OTOH, that's a big seller with your San Fran crowd? It is
> > > > > presumptuous to take a current best seller book and insist that no
> > > > > one in your city would buy it just because you lack an open mind.
> > > >
> > > > It is also a commercial imperative. If a bookseller does not think that
> > > > a title will sell then that is their prerogative and they are entitled
> > > > not to stock it. In BillWorld, the fascist thought police may be
> > > > entitled to trample over the free market and require bookstores to stock
> > > > conservative tomes but not in the real world, thankfully.
> > > >
> > > Now it's "fascism" to believe that people should have access to
> > > books?
> >
> > It's fascism to require bookstores to stock certain books.
> >
> I didn't require them to carry any books. I said that not carrying
> the current and obviously best selling books is an attempt to
> censor and to limit the availability of materials that book store
> owner disagrees with on a *political* basis.
If the book won't sell in your store then you shouldn't bother stocking
it if you're a sensible merchant.
> > > You are pretty kooky.
> >
> > No, Bill, it is you who is the nutbar.
> >
> This is
certain.
> > After all, you would trample
> > over free enterprise and require booksellers to stock conservative
> > books.
> >
> I never claimed that. That doesn't mean I can't point out the
> wrongness of deciding not to stock books that are clearly best
> sellers to prevent people from reading things that you disagree
> with.
Merchants should be allowed to stock what they bloody well like, Bill.
Only in your fascist dystopia would things be otherwise.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 19/11/09 18:56, in article 008f0b29$0$26926$c3e...@news.astraweb.com,
>"yitzy-bitsy spider ran up the water spout" <yit...@yahoo.com> and wrote:
>
>> It pains me to say it, but Earl has lost the plot.
>
>Gotta a job yet?
Heh... just how long is the dole in France???
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
835e51bc-7371-439b...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Mike"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Downtown San Fran is a freakshow.
define which area you are talking about? Downtown for some is
adjacent to the financial district. Some of the down town
is never venture into.
Tourists visit, China town, the wharf area, North Beach
take the cable cars, the Presido, the park, the Marina
not the skid row areas to the east of those areas along
the bay on the other side of market. The homosexuals
concentrate over the hill along Polk street. There are
some yuppie upbeat areas areo the Marina, some nice
stores.
So what to you mean by downtown?
Earl Evleth
1j9j22n.1pgtzj510di42rN%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> No, Bill, it is you who is the nutbar. After all, you would trample
> over free enterprise and require booksellers to stock conservative
> books.
They do in conservative areas. Like Orange County and
their mall book stores. Look at the table presentations,
the books which are selling now. The book spectrum
is narrow.
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Heh... just how long is the dole in France???
If you are talking about unemployment insurance, that
requires having worked. It is more generous than in the
USA and last longer.
There is a safety welfare net below
that but the sums paid out are low and barely economically
sustainable.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> On 21/11/09 0:54, in article
> 1j9j22n.1pgtzj510di42rN%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
> Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
>
> > No, Bill, it is you who is the nutbar. After all, you would trample
> > over free enterprise and require booksellers to stock conservative
> > books.
>
> They do in conservative areas.
I don't believe that is the case at all, Earl.
Between you and Bill, one can receive the oddest of notions.
This is all about simple market economics. A bookseller can choose to
stock whatever titles they wish to. If the wish to maximise profits
then it is a good idea to stock popular titles so bookstores in
conservative areas will tend to stock political tomes that lean to the
right. No biggie.
The corollaries to that are:
a) it is often expensive and loss-making to stock unpopular titles.
b) if a store owner does not stock popular titles that appeal to the
political tastes of the locals then that is up to the store owner but
they only have themselves to blame if customers vote with their feet.
This is Free Market 101, Earl.
PJ O'Donovan
> On 19/11/09 20:23, in article 4B059B1C.C27C8...@yahoo.co.uk, "Bill Bonde {
> 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )" <tribuyltinfp...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
> > providing a very good book service.
>
<< If you aren't providing access to all viewpoints, you are not
providing a very good book service.
Bill>>
<It is market driven, that is your mantra so apply it.
Evleth>
Bull shit.
Both Evleths as usual are going off half cocked on this issue because
of their own rabid political bias as both are completely removed from
reality of what is happening in the USofA
Bookstores attract staff from the ranks of the well indoctrinated
English lit snot types from your closest colleges and universities. I
am in bookstores all of the time while my wife shops in her stores.
The staff in all are consistently and prdeictably clearly nonplussed
whenever a hidden conservative title is purchased or sought.
Converseley the garbage by Michael Moore or Bill Maher types never
fails to be displayed front-and-center regardless of demand.
and this shit happens everywhere, red states, blue states red
counties , blue counties, urban, suburban, rural
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Peabrain, the right of the bookseller to stock what they want for
whatever reason is the point here. I am aware that you would have your
thought police force people to do as you wanted but this is the real
world and booksellers can do what they damned well please if it is
within the law.
My word you are a fucking retard.
Runge17
"PJ O'Donovan" <Xen...@aol.com> a �crit dans le message de
news:2f9e0707-4e46-4422...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 19, 1:15 pm, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> On 19/11/09 18:46, in article he409c$tk...@news.eternal-september.org,
>
> "M'Balz Es-Hari" <texan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But we are talking about Oakland...
>
> The Black and White populations of Oakland
> are about the same 35.7 and 31% and the Blacks
> do not represent a majority.
>
> Have you been there, really? There some
> yuppie upscale areas, I know one
> UC Professor who lives there. I
> remember eating there at a fine restaurant
> years ago, invited by my Berkeley hosts.
>
> And you Mike, what is your experience or
> are you locked up in your stereotype image
> of Oakland?
<<But we are talking about Oakland...
MBalz>>
<The Black and White populations of Oakland
are about the same 35.7 and 31% .... what is your experience or
are you locked up in your stereotype image
of Oakland?
Evleth>
My younger son got his graduate degrees UC Berkeley and lived in that
area for about 8 years. For some of those years he chose to live in
nearby Oakland primarily for economic considerations
combined with relative proximity to the campus since he had no car of
his own.
On our initial visit with him out there he suggested we stay at the
Jack london Inn for a few nights at http://www.jacklondoninn.com/default.asp
due to the proximity to where he was living at that time and since our
son advised against renting a car.
It was an interesting multicultural area but the sound of multiple gun
shots going all night long every single night sounded like a combat
zone. I never stayed in such a place in all of the USof A despite the
situation in CA below:
wiki:
"..Forty-four states have a provision in their state constitutions
similar to the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights (the exceptions
are California,......."
The ever present police department patrolling Oakland looked more like
an army constantly prepared for combat rather than the occasional
police one would be accustomed to seeing in most other American
cities.
On subsequent visits when he lived in Oakland we rented a car stayed
near the airport and drove in to see him during the day while in later
years our son lived in downtown SFO and took public transportation to
the Berkeley campus
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 21/11/09 8:09, in article 8d4fg51kbarr80r57...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Heh... just how long is the dole in France???
>
>If you are talking about unemployment insurance, that
>requires having worked.
Ah, well... that does leave Desmond out... doesn't it??? :-)
<clip irrelevant affection for socialism, and obligatory slam at
the U.S.>
Planet Visitor II
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> wrote:
>>On 19/11/09 18:56, in article 008f0b29$0$26926$c3e...@news.astraweb.com,
>>"yitzy-bitsy spider ran up the water spout" <yit...@yahoo.com> and wrote:
*lmao*
Poor Nazi Spastic Noles ...
>>> It pains me to say it, but Earl has lost the plot.
>>
>>Gotta a job yet?
>
> Heh... just how long is the dole in France???
Oh, dear. The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' again. Poor Nazi Spastic
Noles ... so used to being hammered up and down the newsgroup by me, now
seeks refuge under Earl's wing.
Earl, as you know, I don't read your posts, but going down the '"desi"
[sic] doesn't have a job' only demeans you, and brings you down to the
level of Nazi Spastic Noles and Romey [1].
To avoid looking so (sorry to be blunt) fucking stupid next time, you might
like to check term times in Israeli schools. Here's a hint: there are no
classes in the Summer.
Oh, and Nazi Spastic Noles ..?
<thump! ... hammer! ... crash! ... thwack! ... pummel-pummel-pummel ...
'spnak' (sic) ... 'spnak' (sic) ...'spnak' (sic) ... whump-squeal! ...
slap... punch ... kick ... 'spnak' (sic) ... 'spnak' (sic) ...hammer!
...thrash ... thump! ... whump-squeal ... 'spnak' (sic)
...pummel-pummel-pummel ... bash! ... beat! ... 'spnak' (sic) ...
'spnak'(sic) ...'spnak' (sic) ... >
Y.
[1] <http://minilien.fr/a0kapc>
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of
one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that
oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the
beginning if it is to be stopped at all'
(H.L. Mencken)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Earl Evleth
"yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)" <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh, dear. The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' again. Poor Nazi Spastic
> Noles ... so used to being hammered up and down the newsgroup by me, now
> seeks refuge under Earl's wing.
I am a weak reed in that regard, since I have an urge to tease
people and to send off an occasional zinger. No one is safe
except my wife and my dog.
Sambo the Abo
> To avoid looking so (sorry to be blunt) fucking stupid next time, you might
> like to check term times in Israeli schools. Here's a hint: there are no
> classes in the Summer.
>
> Y.
>
What grade are you in Yitzhak?
Your friend,
Sambo
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> AADP's 'left-wing Israeli homosexual'
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 22/11/09 13:54, in article 0319228c$0$1332$c3e...@news.astraweb.com,
>Desi "Let's all kill every Arab behind a tree" Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, dear. The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' again. Poor <obligatory
>> expletive deleted> Noles ... so used to being hammered up and down the
>> newsgroup by me, now seeks refuge under Earl's wing.
>
>
>I am a weak reed in that regard, since I have an urge to tease
>people and to send off an occasional zinger. No one is safe
>except my wife and my dog.
TRANSLATION: "I'm still childish."
But look how angry desi became when his lack of legal employment was
put into question.
Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
while dreaming about murdering some Arabs wrote:
>On 2009-11-21, James 'exposing desmond coughlan' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:16:26 +0100, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>>>On 19/11/09 18:56, in article 008f0b29$0$26926$c3e...@news.astraweb.com,
>>>"yitzy-bitsy spider ran up the water spout" <yit...@yahoo.com> and wrote:
>
>*lmao*
>
>Poor <obligatory expletive deleted> Noles ...
>
>>>> It pains me to say it, but Earl has lost the plot.
>>>
>>>Gotta a job yet?
>>
>> Heh... just how long is the dole in France???
>
<clipped hateful expletives>
>
>To avoid looking so (sorry to be blunt) fucking stupid next time, you might
>like to check term times in Israeli schools. Here's a hint: there are no
>classes in the Summer.
I didn't know that fanatic right wing Zionists in Israel held classes
on murdering all Arabs from the Nile to the Tigris. See --
http://tinyurl.com/5gcezc
With your exact words -- "My view is that Israel could (and
should) be allowed to clean up the scum in the area, and not
leave a single Arab alive from the Nile to the Tigris, as G-d
intended it in His Torah."
<clipped hateful expletives>
>
><thump! ... hammer! ... crash! ... thwack! ... pummel-pummel-pummel ...
>'spnak' (sic) ... 'spnak' (sic) ...'spnak' (sic) ... whump-squeal! ...
>slap... punch ... kick ... 'spnak' (sic) ... 'spnak' (sic) ...hammer!
>...thrash ... thump! ... whump-squeal ... 'spnak' (sic)
>...pummel-pummel-pummel ... bash! ... beat! ... 'spnak' (sic) ...
>'spnak'(sic) ...'spnak' (sic) ... >
"Do no harm to others" -- The Talmud
Planet Visitor II
>Y.
Planet Visitor II
<sambo...@yahoo.au> wrote:
>yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic) wrote:
>
>> To avoid looking so (sorry to be blunt) fucking stupid next time, you might
>> like to check term times in Israeli schools. Here's a hint: there are no
>> classes in the Summer.
>>
>> Y.
>>
>
>What grade are you in Yitzhak?
He's actually taking a advanced college course called "Killing Arabs
101." [1]
[1] His words -- "My view is that Israel could (and should) be
allowed to clean up the scum in the area, and not leave a single
Arab alive from the Nile to the Tigris, as G-d intended it in His
Torah." -- See --
http://tinyurl.com/5gcezc
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "I'm still childish."
agreed, you are, happy to see you recognzed the fact
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> wrote:
>>If you are talking about unemployment insurance, that
>>requires having worked.
> Ah, well... that does leave Desmond out... doesn't it??? :-)
Poor Nazi Noles ... still trying to mimic Don Kool.
*rofl*
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Sambo the Abo
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:38:34 +0100, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>
>>> If you are talking about unemployment insurance, that
>>> requires having worked.
>
>> Ah, well... that does leave Desmond out... doesn't it??? :-)
>
> Poor Nazi Noles ... still trying to mimic Don Kool.
>
> *rofl*
>
> Y.
He didn't know about your recent high-stress job at Carrefour where you
collected the shopping carts.
Your friend,
Sambo
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> AADP's 'left-wing heterophobe'
> '
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
><clipped hateful expletives>
Damn, things are bad when you're snipping your own posts, Nazi FuckWit...
>>To avoid looking so (sorry to be blunt) fucking stupid next time, you might
>>like to check term times in Israeli schools. Here's a hint: there are no
>>classes in the Summer.
{ snip enraged tantrum }
Angry much, 'Jim' ..?
*snigger*
Y.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 23/11/09 7:10, in article cq9kg5pq7evicckop...@4ax.com,
Still forging my comments, eh, Earl???
Hey... what do you think of the Obama "Change"? He's decided as part
of that "change" to send another 30,000 young Americans to that
pathetic sausage grinder in Afghanistan. No wonder you voted for him.
I've heard that only 7% of all Afghans support the Taliban, but that
93% are powerless against that 7% (rather like in France), and so need
our blood.
I say we need zero Americans in Afghanistan (except maybe sending
Major Hasan there by himself with only his uniform), but more drones
and bunker busters doing that work.
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> but more drones
> and bunker busters doing that work.
There are no bunkers. Caves in the sides of mountainns can not be destroyed
with bunker busters. They are designed to penetrate several meters of
concrete but not whole mountains, no.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 25/11/09 6:34, in article qcgpg5prhupbu3232...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> but more drones
>> and bunker busters doing that work.
>
>There are no bunkers. Caves in the sides of mountainns can not be destroyed
>with bunker busters.
Who says?
> They are designed to penetrate several meters of
>concrete but not whole mountains, no.
Caves are not the whole mountain. Drones can locate the entrance to a
cave, and a bunker buster could easily seal the exit. Let them eat
dirt. The caves we are speaking of are not the same as fortified
installations like the Raven Rock Mountain Complex used in the event
of the need for a protected emergency National Command Authority, or
the Cheyenne Mountain NORAD Operations Center, used for air defense.
[1] For all I care I have no problem using tactical nukes if there is
no possibility of collateral damage if a cave is quite remote, and is
obviously used exclusively by Islamic terrorists. They would have
no problem using those same weapons on innocent civilians in the
very largest of populated cities in the western world -- if they
possessed them... which in time they almost certainly will.
What is really interesting, however, is why are you so defensive and
opposed to attacking Islamic terrorists using weapons that do not
cost American lives?
[1] Cheyenne Mountain -- The Operations Center itself lies along one
side of a main tunnel bored almost a mile through the solid granite
heart of the mountain. The tunnel is designed to route the worst of a
blast's shock wave out the other end, past the two 25-ton blast doors
that mark one wall. The center was designed to withstand up to a 30
megaton blast within 1-nautical-mile (1.9 km).
The underground Combat Operations Center (COC) was originally intended
to provide a 70% probability of continuing to function if a
five-megaton nuclear weapon detonated three miles (5.6 km) away, but
was ultimately built to withstand a multimegaton blast within 1.5
nautical miles (2.8 km; 1.7 mi). It was also designed to be
self-sufficient for brief periods, have backup communications and
television intercom with related commands, house personnel during an
emergency, and protect staff against fallout and biological and
chemical warfare.
he main entrance to the complex is about one-third of a mile (540 m)
from the North Portal via a tunnel which leads to a pair of 25-ton
steel blast doors. Behind them is a steel building complex built
within a 4.5 acres (18,000 m2) grid of excavated chambers and tunnels
and surrounded by 2,000 feet (600 m) of granite. The main excavation
consists of three chambers 45 feet (15 m) wide, 60 feet (20 m) high,
and 588 feet (180 m) long, intersected by four chambers 32 feet (10 m)
wide, 56 feet (17 m) high and 335 feet (100 m) long. Fifteen
buildings, freestanding without contact with the rock walls or roofs
and joined by flexible vestibule connections, make up the inner
complex. Twelve of these buildings are three stories tall; the others
are one and two stories.
The outer shells of the buildings are made of three-eighths-inch (9.5
mm) continuously welded low carbon steel plates which are supported by
structural steel frames. Metal walls and tunnels serve to attenuate
electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Metal doors at each building entrance
serve as fire doors to help contain fire and smoke. Emphasis on the
design of the structure is predicated on the effects of nuclear
weapons; however, building design also makes it possible for the
complex to absorb the shock of earthquakes. During a nuclear
explosion, powerful springs that support the complex can absorb much
of the energy.
Blast valves, installed in reinforced concrete bulkheads, have been
placed in the exhaust and air intake supply, as well as water, fuel,
and sewer lines. Sensors at the North and South Portal entrances will
detect overpressure waves from a nuclear explosion, causing the valves
to close and protect the complex. The buildings in the complex are
mounted on 1,319 steel springs, each weighing about 1,000 pounds (450
kg). The springs allow the complex to move 12 inches (30 cm) in any
one direction. To make the complex self-sufficient, adequate space in
the complex is devoted to support functions. A dining facility,
medical facility with dental office, pharmacy and a two-bed ward; two
physical fitness centers with exercise equipment and sauna; a small
base exchange and barber shop are all located within the complex.
Electricity comes primarily from the city of Colorado Springs, with
six 1,750 kilowatt diesel generators for backup.
Water for the complex comes from an underground supply inside Cheyenne
Mountain, deposited into four excavated reservoirs with a capacity of
1.5 million U.S. gallons (6,000 m�) of water. Three serve as
industrial reservoirs and the remaining one is the complex's primary
domestic water source. They are so large that workers sometimes cross
them in rowboats. About 30,000 to 120,000 U.S. gallons (110 to 450 m�)
are actually retained at any given time.
Incoming air may be filtered through a system of
chemical/biological/radiological/nuclear (CBRN) filters to remove
harmful pathogens and/or radioactive and chemical particles. The fresh
air intake is mainly from the south portal access which is 17.5 feet
(5.3 m) high and 15 feet (4.6 m) wide and linked to the north portal
access which is 22.5 feet (7 m) high and 29 feet (9 m) wide. The
entire tunnel from north to south entry portals is nine-tenths of a
mile (1.5 km) long.
The NORAD command center has been modernized several times over the
years. The original equipment resembled Mission Control for NASA's
Project Apollo in the 1960s-1970s and used similar Philco-Ford
consoles and display systems. The current (2005) version, with
ordinary desks and flat-screen displays, looks rather ordinary by
comparison and resembles NASA's current (2000s) mission control.
From - wikipedia
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Caves are not the whole mountain. Drones can locate the entrance to a
> cave
How is that done from the air?
Also people are like moles and gophers, several entrances exits.
You can at times destroy "an" entrance but not all of all the
caves. Drones are great for knocking out houses and sometimes
moving vehicles. Even then informants are needed.
Beware of hitech hype. Just before the Afghanistan invasion
the US media had a lot of coverage of the sophisticated
caves and tunnels (containing their own power generation
system, hospitals etc) of Al Qaeda. I don't remember any
being discovered except unsophisticated ones. The same
in Iraq. There US forces tried to knock of Saddam several
times but missile attacks and did not succeed. Stories of
a system of sophisticated tunnels under Baghdad were in
the press. Saddam himself was finally captures in
a low tech place, no drone having found him but
an informant did.
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The tech is new, Earl. When Saddam was slinking about, there were
few drones flying overhead and they had fairly rudimentary
abilities. The new system is incredible, almost scary in that it
could be used to monitor first world populations outside war zones.
Reportedly it has cameras that allow it to essentially keep a
constant unblinking eye over entire cities. The photos are updated
every couple of seconds from the now numerous onboard cameras and
seamlessly stitched together. I suspect that software will be
written to allow you to mark a person and have the system simply
follow him until you want to know where he is. Then you can trace
back where he went. You could also ask for an alert if he went to
certain locations. Of course this isn't perfect, he might mix in
with too many people and you might lose him, he might escape
through some area that the drone can see, a tunnel or sewer or even
an ally. But in a village, a small not very built up city, out in
the hills, it would become fantastically difficult to know you were
not being watched. Of course these systems could be augmented with
ground based sensors.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> wrote:
>>> "I'm still childish."
>>agreed, you are, happy to see you recognzed the fact
> Still forging my comments, eh, Earl???
Apparently not, Nazi Spastic Noles .. .
<http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3879/childish.png>
There it is, in black and white, Nazi Spastic Noles. You wrote 'I'm still
childish'.
Why do you now deny having written that? Why do you always deny having
written things, when google (being the 'ultimate' reference) proves you
wrong?
But hey, if you want to talk about forging posts...
Who is 'Michèle', Nazi Spastic Noles ?
> Hey... what do you think of the Obama "Change"? He's decided as part of
> that "change" to send another 30,000 young Americans to that pathetic
> sausage grinder in Afghanistan. No wonder you voted for him.
That's pretty rich, coming from the retarded Nazi-spastic-retarded-mongol-
fuck-cunt who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and who considered the
deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, 'an acceptable price' .. .
Go on, Nazi Spastic Noles... deny you wrote that. Whine that you 'didn't
mean it'. Sob that google 'hates Planet Visitor' [1].
You retarded spag-fuck [2].
> I say we need zero Americans in Afghanistan (except maybe sending Major
> Hasan there by himself with only his uniform), but more drones and bunker
> busters doing that work.
Nazi Spastic Noles again displays his desire to kill all Arabs. After all,
he's the one who supports the murder of Arabs 'from the Nile to the
Tigris'.
You sick fuck.
Y.
[1] hey, did you ever get around to explaining why you're the only poster
on news:alt.activism.death-penalty who refers to himself in the third
person..?
[2] oh look... I'm 'angry' [3]...
[3] *pmsl*
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 26/11/09 6:55, in article as5sg5hivnlpavg8m...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Caves are not the whole mountain. Drones can locate the entrance to a
>> cave
>
>How is that done from the air?
Quite a bit more accurately and safely than from the ground.
>Also people are like moles and gophers, several entrances exits.
You mean Islamic terrorists are like moles and gophers.
>You can at times destroy "an" entrance but not all of all the
>caves. Drones are great for knocking out houses and sometimes
>moving vehicles. Even then informants are needed.
Not really. Drones can clearly determine the actions of a group
of terrorists transporting weapons. And can clearly determine
activities taking place in and around the entrances to caves.
>Beware of hitech hype.
Beware of low tech knowledge trying to pass itself off as hitech.
Here you are wading into waters you know nothing about.
Anything related to military actions or methods is something you
have never experienced or in which you have even the slightest
expertise.
>Just before the Afghanistan invasion
>the US media had a lot of coverage of the sophisticated
>caves and tunnels (containing their own power generation
>system, hospitals etc) of Al Qaeda.
The media is not a respected source of information regarding
military capabilities.
> I don't remember any
>being discovered except unsophisticated ones.
Well, I've never believed al-Qaeda is composed of sophisticated
individuals.
> The same in Iraq.
Now you're claiming that Iraq and Afghanistan represent no
different military approaches?
>There US forces tried to knock of Saddam several
>times but missile attacks and did not succeed.
Hey... one nuke would have done it. Don't claim we don't have
the capacity. We simply refuse to accept the collateral damage.
>Stories of
>a system of sophisticated tunnels under Baghdad were in
>the press.
Need I repeat that the media is not a respected source of information
regarding military capabilities.
> Saddam himself was finally captures in
>a low tech place, no drone having found him but
>an informant did.
The day the war in Iraq began the entire U.S. military had a grand
total of only 14 unmanned aerial vehicles. In fact, the media
reported that the Bush administration feared the use of Iraqi drones
possibly delivering chemical and biological weapons against the U.S.
and thus was a major reason to presume Iraq was a threat to the U.S.
Saddam had more of them than we did.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/28/iraq/main570588.shtml
Of course the U.S. use of drones in Iraq has soared, but that is
all post-capture of Saddam.
While the tactical situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are totally
different, in both terrain and insurgent activities more easily
detected by air than by foot across mountainous terrain.
Planet Visitor II
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
{ snip hate-filled anti-Muslim rant }
Someone needs to lie down for a while.
Y.
deconstructing desmond coughlan
the Nile to the Tigris" Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2009-12-02, James <expletive deleted>' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
>{ snip hate-filled anti-Muslim rant }
Heh... that from the guy who wants to see Israel exterminate every
Arab from the Nile to the Tigris. [1]
>Someone needs to lie down for a while.
Why do you hate the Arabs so much, Nazi fucktard?
[1] Your words -- "My view is that Israel could (and
should) be allowed to clean up the scum in the area, and not
leave a single Arab alive from the Nile to the Tigris, as G-d
intended it in His Torah." See --
http://tinyurl.com/5gcezc
Don't bother to whine that your words are not proof of your
words, Nazi fucktard. The headers show otherwise.
A Jew deconstructing desmond coughlan
>Y.