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BeH

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Jun 30, 2023, 6:33:13 AM6/30/23
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On 28.06.2023 13.31, Merlyne wrote:
> I got a new phone and a better plan.
> Why are cell plans so much more expensive in my country vs the US?

CAPITALISM! It's always capitalism. We've been over this.

> I got a new S21 and 20GB of data for $47/month taxes in.
I pay a base fee of ~$4/month (deducted from consumption) with slightly
higher per-minute charge and no free data. But then I only use data in
emergency (which haven't happened yet) and make maybe two calls and two
texts/month.
On the other hand I still pay for a landline (IP) even though it hasn't
made a sound (or call) in several years.

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BeH

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Jul 4, 2023, 8:29:37 AM7/4/23
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On 02.07.2023 16.29, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:u7mb17$2h0fa$2...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 28.06.2023 13.31, Merlyne wrote:
>>> I got a new phone and a better plan.
>>> Why are cell plans so much more expensive in my country vs the US?
>>
>> CAPITALISM! It's always capitalism. We've been over this.
> Sure. Are you sure that it's not related to population base?
If you pay the same country-wide and you the same coverage in sparsely
populated areas (I know you have some of those), then maybe. But most
likely capitalism.

>>> I got a new S21 and 20GB of data for $47/month taxes in.
>> I pay a base fee of ~$4/month (deducted from consumption) with slightly
>> higher per-minute charge and no free data. But then I only use data in
>> emergency (which haven't happened yet) and make maybe two calls and two
>> texts/month.
> I used to have a prepaid cell for like $10 a month back in 2003 when it was
> my emergency phone.
> Once I started using it all the time, it was more cost-efficient to have a
> plan with unlimited talk and text. I would say that I am most frequently
> contacted by text than by other modes i.e. voice call or email.
>> On the other hand I still pay for a landline (IP) even though it hasn't
>> made a sound (or call) in several years.
>>
> I also have a landline. My Dad calls it and a few places where I keep
> forgetting to change my contact info to my cell. I think the landline isn't
> VOIP it's whatever came before that but after rotary dial phones.

Analog... (rotary dials relied on counting the impulses - one for each
digit passed on return; pushbutton 'dialing' relied on the frequency of
the tone correspondig to each digit/button)

> They will probably phase it out eventually.
Like they did with teevee signals, thus making everyone get new teevees...


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BeH

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BeH

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Jul 7, 2023, 5:59:18 PM7/7/23
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On 05.07.2023 14.14, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:u813bf$3m74$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 02.07.2023 16.29, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:u7mb17$2h0fa$2...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 28.06.2023 13.31, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> I got a new phone and a better plan.
>>>>> Why are cell plans so much more expensive in my country vs the US?
>>>>
>>>> CAPITALISM! It's always capitalism. We've been over this.
>>> Sure. Are you sure that it's not related to population base?
>> If you pay the same country-wide and you the same coverage in sparsely
>> populated areas (I know you have some of those), then maybe. But most
>> likely capitalism.
>>
> Ugh!
>>>>> I got a new S21 and 20GB of data for $47/month taxes in.
>>>> I pay a base fee of ~$4/month (deducted from consumption) with
>>>> slightly higher per-minute charge and no free data. But then I only
>>>> use data in emergency (which haven't happened yet) and make maybe
>>>> two calls and two texts/month.
>>> I used to have a prepaid cell for like $10 a month back in 2003 when
>>> it was my emergency phone.
>>> Once I started using it all the time, it was more cost-efficient to
>>> have a plan with unlimited talk and text. I would say that I am most
>>> frequently contacted by text than by other modes i.e. voice call or
>>> email.
>>>> On the other hand I still pay for a landline (IP) even though it
>>>> hasn't made a sound (or call) in several years.
>>>>
>>> I also have a landline. My Dad calls it and a few places where I keep
>>> forgetting to change my contact info to my cell. I think the landline
>>> isn't VOIP it's whatever came before that but after rotary dial
>>> phones.
>>
>> Analog... (rotary dials relied on counting the impulses - one for each
>> digit passed on return; pushbutton 'dialing' relied on the frequency
>> of the tone correspondig to each digit/button)
>>
>>> They will probably phase it out eventually.
>> Like they did with teevee signals, thus making everyone get new
>> teevees...
>
> I thought I got a new tv because the old one stopped working.
That may be, but lots of people got new tvs because their old one
couldn't receive/decode the digital signal.

BeH

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Jul 10, 2023, 2:22:48 PM7/10/23
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On 08.07.2023 17.01, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:u8a1rk$1etv2$2...@dont-email.me:
> The cable company gave out digital conversion boxes to people.
Can you still get one of those. To use on an old teevee that you buy at
an antique shop?

People without a cable subscription didn't get any, I'll bet.

BeH

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Jul 14, 2023, 8:08:04 AM7/14/23
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On 12.07.2023 13.22, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:u8hi9m$2jid9$2...@dont-email.me:
> I doubt anything would work on a tv that old.
In theory it would. It would require a digital to analog conversion and
probably a granularity reduction from HD to PAL or [whatever the
American format is called]. An old cable converter might just work if
one could bypass the subscription bit.
>
>> People without a cable subscription didn't get any, I'll bet.
>>
> Probably not. No one is that nice.
Especially not cable companies.

BeH

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Jul 20, 2023, 10:19:19 AM7/20/23
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On 18.07.2023 13.24, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:u8rdr1$sro$2...@dont-email.me:
> It could work from an antenna. Some channels are in the air. In HD even.
That's what I meant, using the antenna as input for the box. A really
old TV will probably make a mess of an unaltered HD signal.

BeH

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Jul 25, 2023, 7:34:36 AM7/25/23
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On 22.07.2023 17.21, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:u9bfp4$2o7m6$2...@dont-email.me:
> I can imagine.
> It would probably make a mess of SD signals too.
And if by some miracle it could be made to work, there probably wouldn't
be anything good on anyway.

BeH

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Jul 29, 2023, 11:39:07 AM7/29/23
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On 27.07.2023 15.32, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:u9oc0a$13rsf$2...@dont-email.me:
> Nonsense! There are always quality programming available like those
> reality shows were a farmer needs a wife.
Grrr! No matter when I look it seems to be all American 'Married at
first sight' or some survival show...
They do show Colombo (again) but late at night and I still remember all
the plots from last time.

> I have Acorn and BritBox now so I can catch up on all my British murder
> mystery shows. I feel with the writer and actor strike that there may be
> a long tv show drought.
I get BritBox as well (on that streaming service). They have Yes
Minister/Prime Minister.

I did see a Canadian police series in french. It had all the right
characters:
- a neuro-divergent sketch artist with 'amazing' abilities,
- a wheel-chair bound, female chief always wearing a baseball cap,
- a young arab gay forensic investigator,
- a semi-alcoholic older detective who broke all the rules (violently)
- a middle aged female researcher, who was a former elite hacker.
And that was just the Good Guys(tm).

>
> And speaking of programming, I wrote a Python program today without
> taking a course.
I had no idea you were a parseltongue.

One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for gcc again
and think of something to code in it... Something with a lot of things
happening at the same time.

BeH

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Aug 6, 2023, 5:41:36 AM8/6/23
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On 01.08.2023 13.32, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ua3bqo$2ladp$1...@dont-email.me:
> There's now a couple of them on about finding a spouse for farmers.

And some where they put couples in an isolated spot and see how long it
takes for people to cheat on their partners. *sigh*
>
>> They do show Colombo (again) but late at night and I still remember
>> all the plots from last time.
>
> I don't remember all the Columbo plots. Doesn't matter since they show
> you who did at the beginning of the show.
Yes but Colombo is more about howdonit than whodunit... and Colombo
pretending to be dumb but really being very smart of course.

>>
>>> I have Acorn and BritBox now so I can catch up on all my British
>>> murder mystery shows. I feel with the writer and actor strike that
>>> there may be a long tv show drought.
>> I get BritBox as well (on that streaming service). They have Yes
>> Minister/Prime Minister.
>
> I never watched that one.
It's a good introduction into how gubbernment *really* works... sort of.

> I'm going to finish Good Omens and then watch the latest season of The
> Witcher. The next season of The Wheel of time starts September 1.
>
>>
>> I did see a Canadian police series in french. It had all the right
>> characters:
>> - a neuro-divergent sketch artist with 'amazing' abilities,
>> - a wheel-chair bound, female chief always wearing a baseball cap,
>> - a young arab gay forensic investigator,
>> - a semi-alcoholic older detective who broke all the rules (violently)
>> - a middle aged female researcher, who was a former elite hacker.
>> And that was just the Good Guys(tm).
>>
>
> I don't know that one. I used to watch 'District 31' when I was on
> language training.
'Portrait Robot' in Canadian. ('The Sketch Artist' in 'danish').
I don't know 'District 31' but I do have a Belgian series of all things,
all about sex-crimes.. in Flemish language.

>>> And speaking of programming, I wrote a Python program today without
>>> taking a course.
>> I had no idea you were a parseltongue.
>
> Well, I had to do something after I failed out of wizard school.
Is that even possible. I thought you would just have to take the year
again. Or become Key Warden or something.

>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for gcc again
>> and think of something to code in it... Something with a lot of things
>> happening at the same time.
>>
>
> No, you won't.

I will. Some day...

BeH

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Aug 10, 2023, 6:26:13 PM8/10/23
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On 09.08.2023 14.19, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uanpse$26g26$1...@dont-email.me:
> And how long does it take? I need closure.
Sorry, I don't have that information. I don't watch that type of
programming. It's detrimental to my health.

> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
> Ugh!
But of course it is... It's what the people want.

>>>> They do show Colombo (again) but late at night and I still remember
>>>> all the plots from last time.
>>>
>>> I don't remember all the Columbo plots. Doesn't matter since they
>>> show you who did at the beginning of the show.
>> Yes but Colombo is more about howdonit than whodunit... and Colombo
>> pretending to be dumb but really being very smart of course.
>>
> And one more thing...
Oh yeah, it must have slipped my mind for a moment...
> But eventually they found out that I'm too stupid to be a wizard.
Is that even possible? I thought it's an innate ability for those whom
it is gifted.

>>
>>>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for gcc
>>>> again and think of something to code in it... Something with a lot
>>>> of things happening at the same time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, you won't.
>>
>> I will. Some day...
>
> Right after you build that water feature in your yard, I'm sure.

Well I won't be able to work on the water feature in winter, so I could
do the installing then.

BeH

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Aug 16, 2023, 9:01:08 AM8/16/23
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On 13.08.2023 23.28, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ub3o62$heq0$1...@dont-email.me:
> I bet it would help you fall asleep = good for your health

Not really. I tend to get irrationally angry that this shite is even
produced, much less broadcast - using my money to do it.

>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>> Ugh!
>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
> People are stupid!
Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the reference for the
chance to win a modest prize)
> I'm more of a Rincewind type of wizard or not gifted at all.
> Smoke and mirrors!
I'm not familiar. Or _a_ familiar for that matter...

>>>>>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for gcc
>>>>>> again and think of something to code in it... Something with a lot
>>>>>> of things happening at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you won't.
>>>>
>>>> I will. Some day...
>>>
>>> Right after you build that water feature in your yard, I'm sure.
>>
>> Well I won't be able to work on the water feature in winter, so I
>> could do the installing then.
>>
> Isn't that when you are painting the living room?
> *snickers*
No that was this spring, theoretically... Or next spring. Some time when
I can keep the doors and windows open.

> Anyhoo....
> You should learn Python so that you can nitpit my code.
What made you think that I don't know Python? (I don't, but still)
What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position of relative
ignorance?

But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but logic is
forever...

BeH

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Aug 20, 2023, 3:20:35 PM8/20/23
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On 18.08.2023 14.51, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ubihai$3a8cm$1...@dont-email.me:
> But it's outside your control. You need to chill.
That certainly does not lessen the frustration.

> Here have some Gatorade.
Mmmmm... electrolytes. (I've never actually tried Gatorade.)

>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>> Ugh!
>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>> People are stupid!
>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the reference for
>> the chance to win a modest prize)
>
> Idiocracy?
Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
> That's what the cats are for.
I have no cat. Also no wizardry.

>>>>>>>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for gcc
>>>>>>>> again and think of something to code in it... Something with a
>>>>>>>> lot of things happening at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will. Some day...
>>>>>
>>>>> Right after you build that water feature in your yard, I'm sure.
>>>>
>>>> Well I won't be able to work on the water feature in winter, so I
>>>> could do the installing then.
>>>>
>>> Isn't that when you are painting the living room?
>>> *snickers*
>> No that was this spring, theoretically... Or next spring. Some time
>> when I can keep the doors and windows open.
>>
>>> Anyhoo....
>>> You should learn Python so that you can nitpit my code.
>> What made you think that I don't know Python? (I don't, but still)
>
> It was a calculated risk. It was created after you left school and were
> a fully functioning adult with a regular day job.
Yebbut I was reasonably capable of learning several programming
languages for many years after that.

>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position of
>> relative ignorance?
>>
>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but logic is
>> forever...
>>
> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about having to
> learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do it in any language.
> You just have to learn to syntax.
And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of cake.

BeH

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Aug 29, 2023, 10:52:44 AM8/29/23
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On 24.08.2023 16.55, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ubtp20$1gij7$5...@dont-email.me:
> I think my Dad bought some in the 70's when it was green sea water.
> It's pretty gross.
> I'm sure the stuff they have now is full of sugar.
Well, sports people need their energy.

>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>>>> Ugh!
>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>>>> People are stupid!
>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the reference for
>>>> the chance to win a modest prize)
>>>
>>> Idiocracy?
>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
>
> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore.
> This is so exciting.
Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are some around here
somewhere.
> I have a cat. It does what it wants.
I'm somewhat familiar with the behaviour of cats.

> Not familiar with the rules of being a familiar.
Me either. But that's okay since I'm not a cat.

>>>>>>>>>> One of these day I'm gonna install the ADA pre-compiler for
>>>>>>>>>> gcc again and think of something to code in it... Something
>>>>>>>>>> with a lot of things happening at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, you won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will. Some day...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right after you build that water feature in your yard, I'm sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I won't be able to work on the water feature in winter, so I
>>>>>> could do the installing then.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that when you are painting the living room?
>>>>> *snickers*
>>>> No that was this spring, theoretically... Or next spring. Some time
>>>> when I can keep the doors and windows open.
>>>>
>>>>> Anyhoo....
>>>>> You should learn Python so that you can nitpit my code.
>>>> What made you think that I don't know Python? (I don't, but still)
>>>
>>> It was a calculated risk. It was created after you left school and
>>> were a fully functioning adult with a regular day job.
>> Yebbut I was reasonably capable of learning several programming
>> languages for many years after that.
>>
> As did I.
>
> I think once MS took over the workplace, most people learned VB.
And some probably even learned a programming language as well.

>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position of
>>>> relative ignorance?
>>>>
>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but logic is
>>>> forever...
>>>>
>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about having
>>> to learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do it in any
>>> language. You just have to learn to syntax.
>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of cake.
>
> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in my mind. Anything
> else, will be googled.
But... your productivity!!1!

BeH

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Sep 5, 2023, 3:08:19 AM9/5/23
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On 30.08.2023 14.42, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ucl0np$29ksj$7...@dont-email.me:
> This is just a guess - it's mostly non-sports people who drink it.
Also the sports people/teams who are sponsored by the company, I bet. At
least when they are on teevee.

>>>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>>>>>> Ugh!
>>>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>>>>>> People are stupid!
>>>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the reference
>>>>>> for the chance to win a modest prize)
>>>>>
>>>>> Idiocracy?
>>>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
>>>
>>> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore.
>>> This is so exciting.
>> Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are some around here
>> somewhere.
> I'm so excited. I never win anything. I have to pee!
You know what they say: You can't win unless you play. Maybe you should
start doing some sportsball or something... After you are done peeing,
obviously.
> Probably.
> I usually end up teaching myself.
Whereas I on several occasions ended up teaching others...

>>>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position of
>>>>>> relative ignorance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but logic
>>>>>> is forever...
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about having
>>>>> to learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do it in any
>>>>> language. You just have to learn to syntax.
>>>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of cake.
>>>
>>> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in my mind.
>>> Anything else, will be googled.
>> But... your productivity!!1!
>>
> All pensionable time!
> If they want me to be more productive, they need to get me more staff
> and stop assigning me extra work.

Your productivity isn't going to increase if you run out of work to do.

BeH

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Sep 8, 2023, 3:18:01 PM9/8/23
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On 06.09.2023 14.22, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ud6k4c$1sfh1$5...@dont-email.me:
> Or the Gatorade container is filled with water. At least that's what it
> looks like when they dump it on the winning coach.
One would hope so, given the stickyness of sugary drinks...

>>>>>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ugh!
>>>>>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>>>>>>>> People are stupid!
>>>>>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the reference
>>>>>>>> for the chance to win a modest prize)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Idiocracy?
>>>>>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
>>>>>
>>>>> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore.
>>>>> This is so exciting.
>>>> Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are some around
>>>> here somewhere.
>>> I'm so excited. I never win anything. I have to pee!
>> You know what they say: You can't win unless you play. Maybe you
>> should start doing some sportsball or something... After you are done
>> peeing, obviously.
>
> I can't picture me playing team sports.
There are types of sportsball where you play alone (against an opponent,
obviously). Also without team sport you don't get to imbibe the team
spirit...
> I haven't taught anyone to program, but I do end up reviewing other
> people's code. I get questions about 'How do I do thing X?' I have one
> programmer who can't program from scratch. I usually have to meet with
> him and outline step 1, step 2 etc.
But you are supposed to learn that in programmer school...?

> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when all they
> need is the coalesce function.
Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?

>>>>>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position of
>>>>>>>> relative ignorance?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but logic
>>>>>>>> is forever...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about
>>>>>>> having to learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do it in
>>>>>>> any language. You just have to learn to syntax.
>>>>>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of
>>>>>> cake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in my mind.
>>>>> Anything else, will be googled.
>>>> But... your productivity!!1!
>>>>
>>> All pensionable time!
>>> If they want me to be more productive, they need to get me more staff
>>> and stop assigning me extra work.
>>
>> Your productivity isn't going to increase if you run out of work to
>> do.
>>
> That will never happen. When we are understaffed, I don't have time to
> focus on my own work. All the work has to be distributed amongst the
> existing staff.

Delegation is work, though. Particularly if you have staff.

BeH

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On 09.09.2023 22.51, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:udfs16$3ks7v$1...@dont-email.me:
> But you never know...
That may be what happened to that Spanish womens football coach...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ugh!
>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>>>>>>>>>> People are stupid!
>>>>>>>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the
>>>>>>>>>> reference for the chance to win a modest prize)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Idiocracy?
>>>>>>>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore.
>>>>>>> This is so exciting.
>>>>>> Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are some around
>>>>>> here somewhere.
>>>>> I'm so excited. I never win anything. I have to pee!
>>>> You know what they say: You can't win unless you play. Maybe you
>>>> should start doing some sportsball or something... After you are
>>>> done peeing, obviously.
>>>
>>> I can't picture me playing team sports.
>> There are types of sportsball where you play alone (against an
>> opponent, obviously). Also without team sport you don't get to imbibe
>> the team spirit...
> No. I get that at work.
Oohh! do you get to go on retreats and play stupid games too? (Made up
by a genuine behaviourist sociologist.)
> I think his degree is in Philosophy or History or something non-
> programming. How he got into this line of work, I'll never know. He told
> me his dream job would be to work on video games. He would die in that
> job.
Probably. How he got the job: probably the same way as everyone else -
lied on his resume...

>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when all they
>>> need is the coalesce function.
>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
> No one does that.
I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More people
should RTM.

>>>>>>>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position
>>>>>>>>>> of relative ignorance?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but
>>>>>>>>>> logic is forever...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about
>>>>>>>>> having to learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do it
>>>>>>>>> in any language. You just have to learn to syntax.
>>>>>>>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of
>>>>>>>> cake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in my mind.
>>>>>>> Anything else, will be googled.
>>>>>> But... your productivity!!1!
>>>>>>
>>>>> All pensionable time!
>>>>> If they want me to be more productive, they need to get me more
>>>>> staff and stop assigning me extra work.
>>>>
>>>> Your productivity isn't going to increase if you run out of work to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>> That will never happen. When we are understaffed, I don't have time
>>> to focus on my own work. All the work has to be distributed amongst
>>> the existing staff.
>>
>> Delegation is work, though. Particularly if you have staff.
>
> It's a delicate balanacing act.

Another reason why wearing heels to work is a bad idea?

BeH

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On 17.09.2023 19.50, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ue4c59$3raqk$5...@dont-email.me:
> He got drunk on fermented Gatorade and kissed one of the players?
Or maybe he was covered in sticky Gatorade and unwittingly was sticking
to the players mouth...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see that Big Brother is back for it's 25th season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ugh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course it is... It's what the people want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are stupid!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gatorade contains a lot of electrolytes... (guess the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reference for the chance to win a modest prize)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Idiocracy?
>>>>>>>>>> Yup! I'll mail you a gold star...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YAY! I hardly get any snail mail anymore.
>>>>>>>>> This is so exciting.
>>>>>>>> Hang on. I need to find a stamp... I'm sure there are some
>>>>>>>> around here somewhere.
>>>>>>> I'm so excited. I never win anything. I have to pee!
>>>>>> You know what they say: You can't win unless you play. Maybe you
>>>>>> should start doing some sportsball or something... After you are
>>>>>> done peeing, obviously.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't picture me playing team sports.
>>>> There are types of sportsball where you play alone (against an
>>>> opponent, obviously). Also without team sport you don't get to
>>>> imbibe the team spirit...
>>> No. I get that at work.
>> Oohh! do you get to go on retreats and play stupid games too? (Made up
>> by a genuine behaviourist sociologist.)
>
> Before COVID, we had stupid team building exercises.
> One time a manager brought in a bag of carrots and tried to get us all
> to go outside and make a snowman.
This was in winter, one assumes.

> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was supposed to
> take home for the weekend and then share the toys adventures with the
> rest of the team.
Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me the stuffy
thing would most likely have experienced doing laundry and watching
telly. Very adventurous.

> During COVID, they tried a bunch of virtual events because they think we
> are retarded 6 year olds. Show 'n' tell, anyone?
I don't remember most of the stupid tasks we were given at those
sessions. Most of they were to do with working as a team, and everyone
was faffing about getting nowhere until someone took charge and started
giving orders. More often than I care to remember someone being me -
just to get the thing over with. Great way to consolidate respect for
section managers and such who was doing their fair share of faffing.
> I would be impressed if that were the case. This one has about 0
> initiative.
Maybe you could assign him to go to all the meetings...? Just tell him
to say "No".

>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when all
>>>>> they need is the coalesce function.
>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>> No one does that.
>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More people
>> should RTM.
>
> You lost the F!
If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F involved.

>>>>>>>>>>>> What made you think I can't nitpick any code from a position
>>>>>>>>>>>> of relative ignorance?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But really. Code is code. The symbols may be different but
>>>>>>>>>>>> logic is forever...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I keep telling coworkers who are panicking about
>>>>>>>>>>> having to learn Python or R. If you can program, you can do
>>>>>>>>>>> it in any language. You just have to learn to syntax.
>>>>>>>>>> And memorise all the function libraries, of course... Piece of
>>>>>>>>>> cake.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah. I mean the stuff I use often will get engraved in my mind.
>>>>>>>>> Anything else, will be googled.
>>>>>>>> But... your productivity!!1!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All pensionable time!
>>>>>>> If they want me to be more productive, they need to get me more
>>>>>>> staff and stop assigning me extra work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your productivity isn't going to increase if you run out of work
>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That will never happen. When we are understaffed, I don't have time
>>>>> to focus on my own work. All the work has to be distributed amongst
>>>>> the existing staff.
>>>>
>>>> Delegation is work, though. Particularly if you have staff.
>>>
>>> It's a delicate balanacing act.
>>
>> Another reason why wearing heels to work is a bad idea?
>>
> I definitely wobble less in flat shoes.

One of several reasons why I never wore high heels to work.

BeH

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Sep 25, 2023, 3:31:47 PM9/25/23
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On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:uekb78$a4ot$1...@dont-email.me:
> We should send these excuses to him. For a fee.
To late now. He has already been 'released'...
> You're so SMRT.
It was a natural inference.

>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was supposed to
>>> take home for the weekend and then share the toys adventures with the
>>> rest of the team.
>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me the
>> stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing laundry and
>> watching telly. Very adventurous.
>
> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to find an
> identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy.
Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you would
spare your remaining colleagues the effort.

>>> During COVID, they tried a bunch of virtual events because they think
>>> we are retarded 6 year olds. Show 'n' tell, anyone?
>> I don't remember most of the stupid tasks we were given at those
>> sessions. Most of they were to do with working as a team, and everyone
>> was faffing about getting nowhere until someone took charge and
>> started giving orders. More often than I care to remember someone
>> being me - just to get the thing over with. Great way to consolidate
>> respect for section managers and such who was doing their fair share
>> of faffing.
>
> The formal team building thingees that I've been to have a facilitator
> who gets the ball rolling. Sometimes literally. I was at one where
> participants were not allowed to speak unless they were holding the
> ball.
Yeah, that's pretty typical. I think they use something similar in
pre-school...
> He doesn't speak at meetings. Then he would come back and wouldn't
> remember what went on at the meeting.
Make him a sign that says 'NO' to bring. Or better yet a t-shirt. Then
he won't forget to display it. The important thing is to have the 'NO'
represented.
Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the intranet.
Probably.

>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when all
>>>>>>> they need is the coalesce function.
>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>>>> No one does that.
>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More people
>>>> should RTM.
>>>
>>> You lost the F!
>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F
>> involved.
>>
> Which never happens.
You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual?
> Heels are my way of elevating myself aove the frey.
> Plus I'm 5'5".
Okay, shorty...

BeH

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Oct 2, 2023, 6:25:57 PM10/2/23
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On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
[---]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here have some Gatorade.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mmmmm... electrolytes. (I've never actually tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gatorade.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think my Dad bought some in the 70's when it was green
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea water. It's pretty gross.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the stuff they have now is full of sugar.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, sports people need their energy.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a guess - it's mostly non-sports people who
>>>>>>>>>>> drink it.
>>>>>>>>>> Also the sports people/teams who are sponsored by the company,
>>>>>>>>>> I bet. At least when they are on teevee.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or the Gatorade container is filled with water. At least that's
>>>>>>>>> what it looks like when they dump it on the winning coach.
>>>>>>>> One would hope so, given the stickyness of sugary drinks...
>>>>>>> But you never know...
>>>>>> That may be what happened to that Spanish womens football coach...
>>>>> He got drunk on fermented Gatorade and kissed one of the players?
>>>> Or maybe he was covered in sticky Gatorade and unwittingly was
>>>> sticking to the players mouth...
>>>>
>>> We should send these excuses to him. For a fee.
>> To late now. He has already been 'released'...
> Still. There might be a hearing. Or a charge in 20 years when the player
> is suddenly traumatized by a repressed memory.
There have been very little opportunity to repress any memory in this
particular case.
> I didn't want to point out the difficulty in making a snowman in non-
> winter months. WORSE.TEAM-BUILDING EXERCISE.EVER.
I dunno. It challenges the participants' ingenuity... Also if it's hot a
good deal of co-operation is required.

>>>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was supposed
>>>>> to take home for the weekend and then share the toys adventures
>>>>> with the rest of the team.
>>>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me the
>>>> stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing laundry and
>>>> watching telly. Very adventurous.
>>>
>>> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to find
>>> an identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy.
>> Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you would
>> spare your remaining colleagues the effort.
>>
> Or the trauma when they find out that the beloved mascot is no more.
> Anyays, I never brought the toy home so I got to spend my weekends doing
> fun things like laundry and watching tv.
You aren't really very good at that whole team spirit thing, are you?

>>>>> During COVID, they tried a bunch of virtual events because they
>>>>> think we are retarded 6 year olds. Show 'n' tell, anyone?
>>>> I don't remember most of the stupid tasks we were given at those
>>>> sessions. Most of they were to do with working as a team, and
>>>> everyone was faffing about getting nowhere until someone took charge
>>>> and started giving orders. More often than I care to remember
>>>> someone being me - just to get the thing over with. Great way to
>>>> consolidate respect for section managers and such who was doing
>>>> their fair share of faffing.
>>>
>>> The formal team building thingees that I've been to have a
>>> facilitator who gets the ball rolling. Sometimes literally. I was at
>>> one where participants were not allowed to speak unless they were
>>> holding the ball.
>> Yeah, that's pretty typical. I think they use something similar in
>> pre-school...
> Makes sense. They treat us like we are retarded 6 yr olds.
To be fair the 'talking stick' (or ball, whatever) is an ancient method
of keeping order in assemblies - predating the mute-button by many
centuries.
> I'll try that. He will think I'm joking and laugh.
As long as he doesn't laugh during the meeting. You don't want the other
participants to think it's a joke.

>> Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the
>> intranet. Probably.
> Not usually.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when
>>>>>>>>> all they need is the coalesce function.
>>>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>>>>>> No one does that.
>>>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More people
>>>>>> should RTM.
>>>>>
>>>>> You lost the F!
>>>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>> Which never happens.
>> You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual?
>>
> Yes. Or least when it's not urgent.
Tsk-tsk. What is the world coming to...
> Isn't that USian slang for GF?
Not that I've heard/read. I believe it's slang for a short person.

> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
I know this because the news told me - the height requirement for
joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it
discriminated against women. The requirement for women was higher than
average height while the requirement for men was lower that average
men's height.

These are the important decisions that occupy the high command.

BeH

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Oct 12, 2023, 10:47:34 AM10/12/23
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On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uffg1i$35g2e$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
>> [---]
> [****]
[^^^]
> You don't know.
I read the news. I'm confident in my statement.
> Good luck finding snow in July.
*opens freezer* *forms ball from sediments*
> I'll be at the pub if anyone needs me.
Oh, there you are... *throws*

>>>>>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was
>>>>>>> supposed to take home for the weekend and then share the toys
>>>>>>> adventures with the rest of the team.
>>>>>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me the
>>>>>> stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing laundry and
>>>>>> watching telly. Very adventurous.
>>>>>
>>>>> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to find
>>>>> an identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy.
>>>> Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you
>>>> would spare your remaining colleagues the effort.
>>>>
>>> Or the trauma when they find out that the beloved mascot is no more.
>>> Anyays, I never brought the toy home so I got to spend my weekends
>>> doing fun things like laundry and watching tv.
>> You aren't really very good at that whole team spirit thing, are you?
>>
> Besides the fact that my parents raise me to be an individual, I really
> can't get into lame party games and things of that nature.
But.. It's designed to demonstrate that things work better if you cooperate.

>>>>>>> During COVID, they tried a bunch of virtual events because they
>>>>>>> think we are retarded 6 year olds. Show 'n' tell, anyone?
>>>>>> I don't remember most of the stupid tasks we were given at those
>>>>>> sessions. Most of they were to do with working as a team, and
>>>>>> everyone was faffing about getting nowhere until someone took
>>>>>> charge and started giving orders. More often than I care to
>>>>>> remember someone being me - just to get the thing over with. Great
>>>>>> way to consolidate respect for section managers and such who was
>>>>>> doing their fair share of faffing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The formal team building thingees that I've been to have a
>>>>> facilitator who gets the ball rolling. Sometimes literally. I was
>>>>> at one where participants were not allowed to speak unless they
>>>>> were holding the ball.
>>>> Yeah, that's pretty typical. I think they use something similar in
>>>> pre-school...
>>> Makes sense. They treat us like we are retarded 6 yr olds.
>> To be fair the 'talking stick' (or ball, whatever) is an ancient
>> method of keeping order in assemblies - predating the mute-button by
>> many centuries.
>>
> I'm in favour of it.
> Of course the way things are these days, using the 'mute' button on
> someone would be viewed as a microaggression and would require everyone
> to attend a meeting about how microagressions are wrong.
Talking over each other is also a microagression. You are going to need
more meetings.
> He laughs at meetings when I go off on a rant.
> But then a lot of people do.
Mute them.

>>>> Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the
>>>> intranet. Probably.
>>> Not usually.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something when
>>>>>>>>>>> all they need is the coalesce function.
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>>>>>>>> No one does that.
>>>>>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More
>>>>>>>> people should RTM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You lost the F!
>>>>>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F
>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Which never happens.
>>>> You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual?
>>>>
>>> Yes. Or least when it's not urgent.
>> Tsk-tsk. What is the world coming to...
> How about you read the manuals and then give me an executive summary
> about them?
You mean as in teamwork? Co-operating for better efficiency like you
learned at the seminar?
> shorty or short�ie [ shawr-tee ]
>
> noun,plural short�ies.
> a person of less than average stature (sometimes used as a disparaging
> and offensive term of address).
>
> a garment designed to be of short length, as a hospital bed jacket.
>
> Also shaw�ty [shaw-tee] .Slang.
>
> a girl or woman:
> We watched the shorties on the dance floor, all lookin' so fine.
>
> a girlfriend or sweetheart:
> Me and my shorty went to that new club over on Ninth last night; what a
> scene!
>
> adjective
> noting a garment designed to be of short length:
> a shorty nightgown; shorty pajamas.

I can't keep up with all the slang the young people use these days.

>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement for
>> joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it
>> discriminated against women. The requirement for women was higher than
>> average height while the requirement for men was lower that average
>> men's height.
>>
>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high command.
>>
>
> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely when
> visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano.

Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They are more
likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs.

> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that more women
> could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a burning building by a
> 96 lb woman.
Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need rescuing
all the time.

BeH

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Oct 21, 2023, 5:27:55 PM10/21/23
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On 18.10.2023 13.55, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ug90u2$2i33j$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uffg1i$35g2e$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
>>>> [---]
>>> [****]
>> [^^^]
> [%%]
[€€€€]
> Ow!
> Why'd you pelt me with a giant ice ball?
It wasn't that giant - and to show what can be accomplished if one put
their mind to it.
>
> I guess you don't have a frost-free freezer then.
It would do much good if it was... freezing wise.

>>>>>>>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was
>>>>>>>>> supposed to take home for the weekend and then share the toys
>>>>>>>>> adventures with the rest of the team.
>>>>>>>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me
>>>>>>>> the stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing
>>>>>>>> laundry and watching telly. Very adventurous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to
>>>>>>> find an identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy.
>>>>>> Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you
>>>>>> would spare your remaining colleagues the effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or the trauma when they find out that the beloved mascot is no
>>>>> more. Anyays, I never brought the toy home so I got to spend my
>>>>> weekends doing fun things like laundry and watching tv.
>>>> You aren't really very good at that whole team spirit thing, are
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>> Besides the fact that my parents raise me to be an individual, I
>>> really can't get into lame party games and things of that nature.
>> But.. It's designed to demonstrate that things work better if you
>> cooperate.
>>
> Some things work well, some things don't.
> I think I can decide when I need help.
Consider that the other team-workers may not be so self-sufficient and
may need the exercise to be confident that they can ask you for help
when needed.
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I remember when microaggressions were about racist or sexist things...
But that sort of things don't happen any more...?
> Why? I like the attention.
Doesn't it interrupt your train of thought having people laugh in the
middle of your rant?

>>>>>> Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the
>>>>>> intranet. Probably.
>>>>> Not usually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when all they need is the coalesce function.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>>>>>>>>>> No one does that.
>>>>>>>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More
>>>>>>>>>> people should RTM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You lost the F!
>>>>>>>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F
>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which never happens.
>>>>>> You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Or least when it's not urgent.
>>>> Tsk-tsk. What is the world coming to...
>>> How about you read the manuals and then give me an executive summary
>>> about them?
>> You mean as in teamwork? Co-operating for better efficiency like you
>> learned at the seminar?
>>
> I learnt nothing at the seminar.
> I snuck out at the bathroom break.
Tsk-tsk. I guess you'll have to read the manual yourself then.
> You should.
It changes too fast for me in all the languages - in any case I was
never on fleek even when I was younger. I was rather fetch, though, if I
say so myself.

>>>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
>>>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
>>>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement for
>>>> joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it
>>>> discriminated against women. The requirement for women was higher
>>>> than average height while the requirement for men was lower that
>>>> average men's height.
>>>>
>>>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high command.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely when
>>> visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano.
>>
>> Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They are
>> more likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>
>
> I'm getting a vibe that you don't want me to visit :(
I don't expect you to buy any of my tacky plastic souvenirs.

> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>
>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that more
>>> women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a burning
>>> building by a 96 lb woman.
>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need
>> rescuing all the time.
>>
> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have your best
interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.

BeH

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On 25.10.2023 16.26, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uh1foo$1vlmj$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 18.10.2023 13.55, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ug90u2$2i33j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:uffg1i$35g2e$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>> [---]
>>>>> [****]
>>>> [^^^]
>>> [%%]
>> [€€€€]
> [$]
[What kind $ - it's so generic. Also £££££]
> All of my freezers are frost-free.
> They keep things frozen while preventing frost build-up.
But ice crystals are an inescapable consequence of freezing moisture in
the air. Do you never open your freezer or is it dehumidifying somehow -
hopefully without unfreezing the water and everything else?
Maybe you have a vary large silica bag in your freezer.

>>>>>>>>>>> Another manager had a stuffed animal that each person was
>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to take home for the weekend and then share the toys
>>>>>>>>>>> adventures with the rest of the team.
>>>>>>>>>> Invasion of privacy if I ever saw it. Mind, if it had been me
>>>>>>>>>> the stuffy thing would most likely have experienced doing
>>>>>>>>>> laundry and watching telly. Very adventurous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My adventure would be: Merlyne spends entire weekend trying to
>>>>>>>>> find an identical animal after BF's dog shreds the toy.
>>>>>>>> Why, though. It would be a dramatic adventure at least. And you
>>>>>>>> would spare your remaining colleagues the effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or the trauma when they find out that the beloved mascot is no
>>>>>>> more. Anyays, I never brought the toy home so I got to spend my
>>>>>>> weekends doing fun things like laundry and watching tv.
>>>>>> You aren't really very good at that whole team spirit thing, are
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Besides the fact that my parents raise me to be an individual, I
>>>>> really can't get into lame party games and things of that nature.
>>>> But.. It's designed to demonstrate that things work better if you
>>>> cooperate.
>>>>
>>> Some things work well, some things don't.
>>> I think I can decide when I need help.
>> Consider that the other team-workers may not be so self-sufficient and
>> may need the exercise to be confident that they can ask you for help
>> when needed.
>>
> They already knew that because I'm super nice!
It could be a new co-worker who don't know you very well. Or only know
you from your meeting rants.
> Not to me, it doesn't.
Well, who would be racist towards the fecking irish?
> Nah.
> I can always start over.
That's not going to make the total time wast^W spent in meeting any
shorter now, is it?

>>>>>>>> Also you can read about the proceedings in the minutes on the
>>>>>>>> intranet. Probably.
>>>>>>> Not usually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people write 10 pages of code to do something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when all they need is the coalesce function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that more an unwillingness to RT(F)M?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one does that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I always did. And it served me well on many occasions. More
>>>>>>>>>>>> people should RTM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You lost the F!
>>>>>>>>>> If one RTM before it becomes am urgent necessity there is no F
>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which never happens.
>>>>>>>> You think I'm the only one to ever read a manual?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. Or least when it's not urgent.
>>>>>> Tsk-tsk. What is the world coming to...
>>>>> How about you read the manuals and then give me an executive
>>>>> summary about them?
>>>> You mean as in teamwork? Co-operating for better efficiency like you
>>>> learned at the seminar?
>>>>
>>> I learnt nothing at the seminar.
>>> I snuck out at the bathroom break.
>> Tsk-tsk. I guess you'll have to read the manual yourself then.
>>
> Ugh!
> *eye roll*
> Fetch is never going to happen, Gretchen!
Some dogs like it, I think.

>>>>>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
>>>>>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
>>>>>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement for
>>>>>> joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it
>>>>>> discriminated against women. The requirement for women was higher
>>>>>> than average height while the requirement for men was lower that
>>>>>> average men's height.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high command.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely when
>>>>> visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano.
>>>>
>>>> Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They are
>>>> more likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm getting a vibe that you don't want me to visit :(
>> I don't expect you to buy any of my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>
> Are you saying that so I'll want them?
Not at all. I mean they are strictly limited issue. And eminently
collectible as well a "decorative". But it's entirely up to you if you
feel you need to buy some before they are all gone - and probably being
sold on e-bay for 50-100 times the original price. Think beany babies
but more exclusive.

>>> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>>>
>>>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that more
>>>>> women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a burning
>>>>> building by a 96 lb woman.
>>>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need
>>>> rescuing all the time.
>>>>
>>> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
>> Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have your best
>> interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.
>>
> But, but...they have that pot of gold.
> (And me lucky charms)
And they aren't inclined to part with either, so I've heard.

BeH

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to
On 08.11.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:uibj9i$kd3j$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 25.10.2023 16.26, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uh1foo$1vlmj$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 18.10.2023 13.55, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:ug90u2$2i33j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:uffg1i$35g2e$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>> [---]
>>>>>>> [****]
>>>>>> [^^^]
>>>>> [%%]
>>>> [€€€€]
>>> [$]
>> [What kind $ - it's so generic. Also £££££]
> [!!!!!]
[þþþþ]
> I have no idea how it works. It just does.
> Magic!
A theory for sure. Only magic isn't real. Condensation is. It's a conundrum.
> So I should end rants by saying that my door is always open?
If you think people are still paying attention to what you say by then.
Maybe you should start with that.
> The English?
Yeah, but to be fair, the Irish spent 300 years stubbornly refusing to
be subjugated. That is no way to instil kindly neighbourly feelings.

> Americans treated the Irish like crap.
Aren't the americans all irish anyway? Irish or italian?
> You should have thought about that before you interupted me.
I would never laugh at someone mid-rant. I know from painful experience
it will only prolong the outburst.
> Maybe they want us to think that.
No, I'm sure they genuinely enjoy the fetching part. It's the letting go
after having fetched they are somewhat ambivalent about.

>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
>>>>>>>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
>>>>>>>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement
>>>>>>>> for joining the royal guard has recently been removed because it
>>>>>>>> discriminated against women. The requirement for women was
>>>>>>>> higher than average height while the requirement for men was
>>>>>>>> lower that average men's height.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high command.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely
>>>>>>> when visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They
>>>>>> are more likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting a vibe that you don't want me to visit :(
>>>> I don't expect you to buy any of my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>>>
>>> Are you saying that so I'll want them?
>> Not at all. I mean they are strictly limited issue. And eminently
>> collectible as well a "decorative". But it's entirely up to you if you
>> feel you need to buy some before they are all gone - and probably
>> being sold on e-bay for 50-100 times the original price. Think beany
>> babies but more exclusive.
>>
> Ah. FOMO.
> Huge marketing tool.
Yes, but in my defence: at least it isn't NFT's.

>>>>> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that more
>>>>>>> women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a burning
>>>>>>> building by a 96 lb woman.
>>>>>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need
>>>>>> rescuing all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
>>>> Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have your
>>>> best interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.
>>>>
>>> But, but...they have that pot of gold.
>>> (And me lucky charms)
>> And they aren't inclined to part with either, so I've heard.
>>
> Stupid leprechauns!

That sort of outburst aren't going to help your negotiations with the
leprechauns. Just saying.

BeH

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On 22.11.2023 14.33, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in news:uje7hl$ltv$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 08.11.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uibj9i$kd3j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 25.10.2023 16.26, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:uh1foo$1vlmj$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18.10.2023 13.55, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ug90u2$2i33j$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04.10.2023 16.13, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:uffg1i$35g2e$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 26.09.2023 14.11, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uesn70$22oon$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23.09.2023 23.14, Merlyne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [---]
>>>>>>>>> [****]
>>>>>>>> [^^^]
>>>>>>> [%%]
>>>>>> [€€€€]
>>>>> [$]
>>>> [What kind $ - it's so generic. Also £££££]
>>> [!!!!!]
>> [þþþþ]
> [a string of non-utf8 characters]
[This newsreader is more advanced that I though. Look what it put
instead of your no utf8 characters]
> Why must you rain on my parade?
Magic is like religion - the Devils work!!

> It is magic like when you open the fridge and stick your head in, the
> light goes on.
You have a strange fridge. Mine turns on the light when the door opens.
No head insertion needed. Also the light has a rational explanation.
Look it up if you don't believe me.
> Ok. Noted.
Please report any progress in this matter.
> I don't think so.
> https://www.infoplease.com/us/race/ancestry-us-population-rank
>
> I find it interesting that in 2000 and 2015 people reported their
> ancestry i.e. German, Irish etc but in the 2020 Census, they reported
> themselves as 'White'.
But they didn't. The questionnaire for the 2010 census did not have room
for specification beyond "White" if that was the answer. The 2020
questionnaire did. The 2015 specification of nation of origin in your
link must come from somewhere else.
Interestingly in 2000 there was a question about national origin but not
connected to the primary question on race.
Anyway they are all 'Merkans anyway.
Also no questions anywhere about how many guns are in the household. How
are the government conspiracy to take away all the guns ever going to
work if they don't know where they are?
> Painful? It's entertaining and makes the meeting go faster.
It does not. A rant often result in someone suggesting a break (to let
the tempers settle and also so I can have a smoke), after which the
meeting continues - mostly completely ignoring the rant and any
potential substance therein.
As for painful: A ranter interrupted is almost always a ranter
reiterating their point from the top or some variation thereof.
Rants are rarely helpful.
> My dog fetches the ball/stick/whatever and then runs away.
IOW it can't keep cleaning up your mess. It has important stuff to do.

>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm average height for caucasian women.
>>>>>>>>>> The average height for women in DK is 167cm (5'5.75").
>>>>>>>>>> I know this because the news told me - the height requirement
>>>>>>>>>> for joining the royal guard has recently been removed because
>>>>>>>>>> it discriminated against women. The requirement for women was
>>>>>>>>>> higher than average height while the requirement for men was
>>>>>>>>>> lower that average men's height.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These are the important decisions that occupy the high
>>>>>>>>>> command.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I'm average height for a woman in DK. I'll blend in nicely
>>>>>>>>> when visiting your water feature, stele and pile of guano.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure. I was hoping for a lot of japanese tourists, though. They
>>>>>>>> are more likely to buy my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm getting a vibe that you don't want me to visit :(
>>>>>> I don't expect you to buy any of my tacky plastic souvenirs.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that so I'll want them?
>>>> Not at all. I mean they are strictly limited issue. And eminently
>>>> collectible as well a "decorative". But it's entirely up to you if
>>>> you feel you need to buy some before they are all gone - and
>>>> probably being sold on e-bay for 50-100 times the original price.
>>>> Think beany babies but more exclusive.
>>>>
>>> Ah. FOMO.
>>> Huge marketing tool.
>> Yes, but in my defence: at least it isn't NFT's.
>>
> I think the bottom fell out of that market.
Yap. And now we watch all the block-chain currencies from a safe distance.

>>>>>>> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that
>>>>>>>>> more women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a
>>>>>>>>> burning building by a 96 lb woman.
>>>>>>>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need
>>>>>>>> rescuing all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have your
>>>>>> best interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But, but...they have that pot of gold.
>>>>> (And me lucky charms)
>>>> And they aren't inclined to part with either, so I've heard.
>>>>
>>> Stupid leprechauns!
>>
>> That sort of outburst aren't going to help your negotiations with the
>> leprechauns. Just saying.
>>
> I didn't know I was negotiating.

Do you want your breakfast cereal back or not?

BeH

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On 29.11.2023 15.47, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ujue54$352cv$1...@dont-email.me:
> [I have another newsreader but I don't think it does x-noarchive]
> Yes. I can see how a non-believer would think that.
It's simple really. Since religion is hogwash the devil doesn't exist
either; therefore his work is also non-existent. Like magic.
> Progress?
The relative change in number of incidents where people utilise your
open door since starting rants by mentioning it.
> Maybe the government assumes that every person has a least 1.
That does not sound like something a statistician would assume. Also
there are more guns than people so some have more than one.

> They do have the right to bear arms.
For now.
> Our meetings are booked for a specific length, say an hour.
> If I talk for 50 minutes then the meeting will be over before you know
> it.
But then nothing will get resolved - that's not an efficient way to have
meetings (unless the purpose is to have more meetings).
> OR the dog does not understand the rules of engagement.
Well you have to explain it properly first. You can't just assume the
dog knows your intentions... They are a bit like co-workers that way.
> I think I've been doing that for years....
Against the advise of Musky Elon??? He's one of the smartest people in
the whole world, I've heard.

>>>>>>>>> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so that
>>>>>>>>>>> more women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued from a
>>>>>>>>>>> burning building by a 96 lb woman.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't need
>>>>>>>>>> rescuing all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have
>>>>>>>> your best interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, but...they have that pot of gold.
>>>>>>> (And me lucky charms)
>>>>>> And they aren't inclined to part with either, so I've heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Stupid leprechauns!
>>>>
>>>> That sort of outburst aren't going to help your negotiations with
>>>> the leprechauns. Just saying.
>>>>
>>> I didn't know I was negotiating.
>>
>> Do you want your breakfast cereal back or not?
>>
> I never eat breakfast cereal. You can keep it.

You mean the leprechaun can keep it. I don't eat cereal with added sugar
bits.

BeH

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On 18.12.2023 20.45, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uktnpb$1f1ll$1...@dont-email.me:
> YAY! MAgic!!
No. No magic. Just like the devil.
> This will be hard to assess in a hybrid work model.
So include whatever corresponds to walking through an open door in your
digital world. Faceapp, Whatstime or whatever... We must have data.
> Soem have hundreds. Not sure why you would ever need that many.
>
>>> They do have the right to bear arms.
>> For now.
>>
> You think this will change?
Once they acknowledge that without the guns they would have more people
and come to their senses, maybe. So probably not.
> Most of the time, the purpose is just to touch base with others>
INSERT: Apparently there is a new Mean Girls movie coming out with the
subtitle 'Fetch is happening' or something like that. So there.

>>>>>>>> Some dogs like it, I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe they want us to think that.
>>>>>> No, I'm sure they genuinely enjoy the fetching part. It's the
>>>>>> letting go after having fetched they are somewhat ambivalent
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My dog fetches the ball/stick/whatever and then runs away.
>>>> IOW it can't keep cleaning up your mess. It has important stuff to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>> OR the dog does not understand the rules of engagement.
>> Well you have to explain it properly first. You can't just assume the
>> dog knows your intentions... They are a bit like co-workers that way.
>>
> I don't speak dog.
Just speak slow and loudly in English. I'm sure that will work.
> Apparently.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you need to launch an advertising blitz in Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They changed the requirements for fire-fighters here so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that more women could join. I can hardly wait to be rescued
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a burning building by a 96 lb woman.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, maybe if you stopped playing with fire you wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> need rescuing all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The leprechaun tells me to burn things.
>>>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion leprechauns don't as a rule have
>>>>>>>>>> your best interest at heart. Don't listen to the leprechaun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, but...they have that pot of gold.
>>>>>>>>> (And me lucky charms)
>>>>>>>> And they aren't inclined to part with either, so I've heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stupid leprechauns!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sort of outburst aren't going to help your negotiations with
>>>>>> the leprechauns. Just saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know I was negotiating.
>>>>
>>>> Do you want your breakfast cereal back or not?
>>>>
>>> I never eat breakfast cereal. You can keep it.
>>
>> You mean the leprechaun can keep it. I don't eat cereal with added
>> sugar bits.
>>
> They're magically delicious!

Diabetes!

BeH

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On 07.01.2024 23.21, Merlyne wrote:
> BeH <beh.on...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:un6fv5$3mcd2$1...@dont-email.me:
> You're no fun.
I hear that a lot. I'm sure the devil would be much more entertaing if
he existed.
> I have tons of data.
But do you have open door policy related data is the question?
> I'll believe it when I see it.
> They did do a Mean Girls broadway play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Girls_(2024_film)
You're welcome.

>>>>>>>>>> Some dogs like it, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe they want us to think that.
>>>>>>>> No, I'm sure they genuinely enjoy the fetching part. It's the
>>>>>>>> letting go after having fetched they are somewhat ambivalent
>>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My dog fetches the ball/stick/whatever and then runs away.
>>>>>> IOW it can't keep cleaning up your mess. It has important stuff to
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OR the dog does not understand the rules of engagement.
>>>> Well you have to explain it properly first. You can't just assume
>>>> the dog knows your intentions... They are a bit like co-workers that
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>> I don't speak dog.
>> Just speak slow and loudly in English. I'm sure that will work.
>>
> It doesn't work well with foreigners.
Doesn't the management have a course for that?
> Yeah, yeah. None for you!
That was never on the table. I meant for all the sugar filled cereal
eating kids...

BeH

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On 14.01.2024 16.02, Merlyne wrote:

>>>>>>>> Please report any progress in this matter.
>>>>>>> Progress?
>>>>>> The relative change in number of incidents where people utilise
>>>>>> your open door since starting rants by mentioning it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This will be hard to assess in a hybrid work model.
>>>> So include whatever corresponds to walking through an open door in
>>>> your digital world. Faceapp, Whatstime or whatever... We must have
>>>> data.
>>>>
>>> I have tons of data.
>> But do you have open door policy related data is the question?
>>
> Not yet.
How about now?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fetch is never going to happen, Gretchen!
>>>>
>>>> INSERT: Apparently there is a new Mean Girls movie coming out with
>>>> the subtitle 'Fetch is happening' or something like that. So there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'll believe it when I see it.
>>> They did do a Mean Girls broadway play.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Girls_(2024_film)
>> You're welcome.
>>
> I saw on the news that they had the premiere.
> I didn't see anything about Fetch happening.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyK3F81_BgM at 2:03.
You're welcome - again.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Some dogs like it, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they want us to think that.
>>>>>>>>>> No, I'm sure they genuinely enjoy the fetching part. It's the
>>>>>>>>>> letting go after having fetched they are somewhat ambivalent
>>>>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My dog fetches the ball/stick/whatever and then runs away.
>>>>>>>> IOW it can't keep cleaning up your mess. It has important stuff
>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OR the dog does not understand the rules of engagement.
>>>>>> Well you have to explain it properly first. You can't just assume
>>>>>> the dog knows your intentions... They are a bit like co-workers
>>>>>> that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't speak dog.
>>>> Just speak slow and loudly in English. I'm sure that will work.
>>>>
>>> It doesn't work well with foreigners.
>> Doesn't the management have a course for that?
>>
> For yelling at foreigners?
No, for getting dogs to work well with foreigners.

>>>>>>> I never eat breakfast cereal. You can keep it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the leprechaun can keep it. I don't eat cereal with added
>>>>>> sugar bits.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They're magically delicious!
>>>>
>>>> Diabetes!
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah. None for you!
>> That was never on the table. I meant for all the sugar filled cereal
>> eating kids...
>>
>
> As long as their pancreases are functioning properly, it shouldn't be a
> problem.
> You were advocating the consumption of carbs for breakfast in another
> post.
Specifically a sensible mix of simple and complex carbon.
"Cereal" with 30% sugar content is a candy.

--
BeH

"No nation can be free if it opresses other nations" - F. Engels

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