A cozy clique dominates a cozy newsgroup
pnyikos
radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
living.
These people would be misfits in just about any other group, but
talk.abortion is nowhere near as "inhabited" as it was back then, so
that by putting up a united front against all comers, they are able
to create a cozy little home for themselves, reassuring each other
with messages to the effect of "I'm OK, you're OK, and anyone who
doesn't see that not only Not-OK, but a nobody."
When I went on my 11-year break, t.a. was very different. in 1997,
Keegan was beset with an insurrection by the Peals and an invasion by
people (from alt.flame, if memory serves) seeking revenge for his
success in having Andrew Beckwith lose his posting privileges. A year
or so later I heard from Mark Pundurs that Keegan's staunchest ally,
Kevin Kelly, had departed the abortion newsgroups in disgrace after
having "defended the indefensible," and that Keegan was getting more
and more isolated.
Even in his heyday, Keegan and his allies didn't even have the run of
the dominant pro-choice faction of talk.abortion. In 1992, when I
started posting to talk.abortion, there were numerous intelligent (if
often heated) on-topic conversations going on between regulars all the
time where Keegan and his closest allies played little or no role. In
1993-1995 there was a gigantic schism in the pro-choice fanatic
faction, which I have nicknamed The Mother of All Flamewars, in which
Ray Fischer and Keegan were on opposite sides, Fischer being allied
with Keegan's chief adversary Larry Margolis.
Even in 1997, when Fischer and Keegan had long buried the hatchet,
there were enough independent-minded pro-choicers--Bruce Forest,
Malapert, Elaine McGirr, Pat Winstanley to name just some of the
regulars--so that people could safely ignore anything the Keegan
faction threw at them.
Something has happened in the interim, I know not what -- something so
drastic that I am reminded of a saying of Jesus, that after a demon is
exorcised from someone it wanders the world for a number of years, and
if he finds no home, he returns to the "house" he left and often finds
it swept and ready for reoccupation, whence he invites seven devils to
move in with him--"and the last state of the person is worse than the
first."
Peter Nyikos
Osprey
Keegan:
A self proclaimed author.
Really?
No, not really. He is listed as a co-author, but anyone can be listed
as a co-author of a book. It really isn't that hard.
If you look at his grammar, spelling, his sentence structure you have
to wonder
a) If he ever graduated High School
b) If he is mentally handicapped
c) If he is experimenting with substance
For someone who claims to be a author and a Graduate studies
instructor, you would think that with all the time he has on his hands
that he could find better things to do in life rather than sit in
alt.abortion just following individuals around and making silly little
comments.
Fischer
Again, another individual who likes to think he is superior and is
always right. He repeats himself often and if anyone disagrees with
him he just calls them a liar. He doesn't really have much of
anything to say.
IAAH
Used to log on as Adam H. Was busted a few years back for spamming a
government agents e-mail address. He denies being Adam H., but his
writing style is the same, his arguments are the same. And when he
references to something said years ago, he ALWAYS goes back to a
posting by Adam H. A few times I would call him Adam H. and make a
statement, and he would respond and not deny being Adam H.
Tom S.
A person who claims to have been an officer in the Air Force and
supposed to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. Another one like
Fischer. He feels he is superior. But he has a child like quality,
not able to get past acting like...Keegan. I doubt he was ever in the
Air Force at all. Another one who can't find better things to do with
his time.
Elizabeth
She is just a wacko. A person who has made terrible choices in life
and she pays for those choices today. She hates men and children. She
allows her obsessions to control her. She is willing to lie on a dime
and make up accussations and when she is asked to show proof, she
never does. She uses some excuse and when that excuse is used back,
she is not willing to accept it.
Humphrey
Another one who has way too much time on his hands. Busted years ago
for stalking at Rice University. He has admitted that the stalking is
a factor in his termination. Anyone entering alt.abortion, he is
trying to trace them and tries to find out their location, age, and
other personal things.
Gwen
Another one like Elizabeth. Just stupid and childish.
Now, I strongly suspect that they are not all seperate individuals. I
strongly suspect that a few of them have created other alias or they
know someone and have asked them to create those alias and they all
play off of each other.
Regardless, they just have WAY too much time on their hands. For
people who think they are superior and like to brag about themselves
and making more money than others, they don't show the behavior of
someone who would be successful. They show many behavior issues, such
as anti-social, mentally challenged, anger issues, strong compulsions
and obsession, ability to lie and want to lie, they support each
others lies.
I feel sorry for them, I truly do.
pnyikos
one of the members of the cozy clique.
On Oct 21, 12:20 pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Today, t.a.
> is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague.
[...]
> These people would be misfits in just about any other group, but
> talk.abortion is nowhere near as "inhabited" as it was back then, so
> that by putting up a united front against all comers, they are able
> to create a cozy little home for themselves, reassuring each other
> with messages to the effect of "I'm OK, you're OK, and anyone who
> doesn't see that not only Not-OK, but a nobody."
Below, in a reply to a post on the thread, "If L. Frank Baum had
encountered someone like Keegan" , you see me confronting this "OK-
NotOK" mentality.
On Oct 16, 4:23 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 12:02 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Oct 15, 7:26 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
> > >> I'm more honest ....
>
> > >Stop there because you just lied.
>
> > Everybody is more honest than you, Asshole.
There's a real whopper from a pathological liar who has the
distinction of being the only person another member of the cozy clique
admitted (with the understatement of 2008) could be "an asshole
sometimes.."
> > You've lied so often
> > about so many people that you have NO credibility left.
Words that apply many times more strongly to Fischer, Keegan and
"Spartakus". In fact, all three--and "elizabeth" too, from whom we
hear shortly--seem to live by the adage "Why tell the truth when it's
more convenient to lie?"
[Osprey, to Humphrey:]
> > >You associate yourself and you take side with people in here who
> > >willingly lie.
Now comes a Fischerite Pee Wee Hermanism:
> > He's not associated with you, Asshole.
> Poor Oopsey doesn't get it, just because we all agree that he's a
> fucktard, that means we all lie.
Spare us your phony sympathy, "elizabeth." The fact that you all--
meaning the seven Musketeers--lie, has been thoroughly documented and
has nothing to do with whether Osprey is what you say he is, and you
know it, but so you'll never say that publicly because you know it
won't go over too well with the casual readership.
The seven musketeers and a handful of allies (LC, Tom S., pawaf, and
IAAH) are all your "we all". You are a cozy little clique who have
found a cozy pair of newsgroups where you can even avoid talking about
abortion if you want, and can put on a united front against all
comers. You dominate talk.abortion to an extent that would have been
unthinkable back in 1997, as related in my first post to this new
thread.
>Rather than even consider the
> possibility that we all came to the same conclusion because that's
> where all the evidence, which he provides, points.
That evidence is very scanty--for instance, you and Gwen have never
been able to document Gwen's allegation that Osprey threatened to kill
her. When Osprey gave his version--utterly different from hers--of
what had transpired between them, I saw nary a murmur of dissent from
anyone, not Gwen, not you, not Keegan--and IIRC Keegan was the only
one who even followed up to that post.
> His own online
> "testimony" impeaches him!
This last comment of yours is a standard irresponsible Internet cop-
out. Let's see some of that alleged evidence (or "testimony") for a
change, "elizabeth".
Peter Nyikos
Ray Fischer
>The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
>radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997.
Nah.
> Today, t.a.
>is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
Paranoia is one symptom of Alzheimers. So is an arrogrant belief in
one's own infallibility, such as when repeated errors and dishonesties
are attributed to conspiracies among others.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
IAAH
> The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> living.
You realize that you're perfectly free to, say,
NOT read any of those postings?
Usenet cannot be 'dominated'. Nobody is stopping
you from posting as you like and reading as you
like. This complaint is pretty juvenile.
IAAH
"Osprey", AKA Robert Heishman. Claims to know that
my real name is "Adam", but has yet to provide any
source or evidence for that claim, preferring
instead to run from it at every opportunity, or to
simply manufacture 'evidence' and lie about it.
Has claimed that several regulars have criminal
records, including child molestation and
pedophilia convictions, but will never provide
evidence on that front either. See every paragraph
about every person above.
Has also made various claims about his background
and education, which have been almost universally
disproved by his subsequent writings.
Claims to be pro-choice, but is not. Says he isn't
anti-abortion, but universally supports laws that
restrict abortion access.
IAAH
Addendum: Has forged posts under the names of
several group regulars. Lied about it when caught.
J
"Osprey" <Ospr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Keegan:
Who?
> Fischer
A senile proponent of all legalized killing
> IAAH
Anonymous troll
> Tom S.
Another senile old goat. Pay him no heed
> Elizabeth
An airhead. What did you expect?
> Humphrey
Rice University. Nothing else needs to be said
> Gwen
A slut who has invited numerous men to come visit her.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
pnyikos
> Keegan:
> A self proclaimed author.
> Really?
Well, he does author innumerable posts on Usenet.
> No, not really. He is listed as a co-author, but anyone can be listed
> as a co-author of a book.
I'm not sure about books, but in the lab sciences it is standard
practice to list the head of the lab as a co-author even when that
head has not even seen the article before it appears in print.
[...]
> For someone who claims to be a author and a Graduate studies
> instructor, you would think that with all the time he has on his hands
> that he could find better things to do in life rather than sit in
> alt.abortion just following individuals around and making silly little
> comments.
It's his own little world now, the place where he feels most at home,
by all indications.
[...]
> IAAH
[...]
> Tom S.
[...]
> Elizabeth
[...]
> Humphrey
> Another one who has way too much time on his hands. Busted years ago
> for stalking at Rice University. He has admitted that the stalking is
> a factor in his termination. Anyone entering alt.abortion, he is
> trying to trace them and tries to find out their location, age, and
> other personal things.
"Spartakus" has put a typical spin on his stalking: he bragged how,
just by looking up the headers in Spartakus's posts, Humphrey could
pinpoint his location to a second of a degree of the earth's
circumference--and said it was because Humphrey loves a mystery.
I think it's more a case of Humphrey hating a mystery, and wanting to
feel that he has power over the other person. I think he even bragged
once about how he messed up the sidewalk in front of Ralph Taite's
house--or maybe it was Ralph posted about Hummphrey having done it,
and Humphrey not denying it. He also threatened in an e-mail to come
at Suzanne Forgach with a baseball bat before he knew who she was.
> Gwen
> Another one like Elizabeth. Just stupid and childish.
Have you ever seen Gwen, Tom S., or IAAH do a post on abortion--or
even a post that wasn't directly or indirectly connected with you?
The few times they've attacked me so far, it always had to do with
you.
Gwen and "elizabeth" [from whom I've never seen an unambiguous
statement that 'e is a woman] are truly obsessed with you, and their
claim that YOU are obsessed with THEM is a clumsy misdirection on
their part. Yes, "elizabeth" does take on others from time to time,
but on the other hand 'e is so obsessed with you, 'e's even decided
that I am you despite our huge differences in posting style. I think
'e'll get around before long to claiming that Bill Mosco is you. 'e
is so self-righteous, 'e can't seem to imagine more than one person
thinking ill of her/him. Even your opposition is treated like an
incredible fluke in the eyes of "elizabeth."
Peter Nyikos
elizabeth
Sounding very, very Oopsey, fauxNy.
elizabeth
Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
demanded proof for any assertion.
He seems to think that Oopsey is immune to proving his assertions.
And that his perceived enemies have to "prove" their opinions and
conclusions based on what Oopsey himself posts.
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
And refuses to prove what his job is, well, he refuses to prove any of
his assertions, insisting that his perceived enemies prove the
negative ... . which any real prof would tell you can't be done.
I am still waiting for "proof" of my alleged criminal past.
elizabeth
> "Osprey" <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
some men, come visit him?
IAAH
Ol' Bipolar Bob does seem to occupy a privileged
place in his heart, doesn't he?
For the life of me I can't figure out why Nyikos
is so intent on making osprey into something he isn't.
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
I really think it's time that the head of the math department is
contacted about the obvious impersonater in here . .. all it would
take is one disgruntled math student to google fauxNy and he'd have
enough evidence to get the real Nykios "emeritused" out the door.
Gwen Bennet
> Gwen
> Another one,...
...and it appear one of the ones whom you fear, the most.
Gwen Bennet
...and in J's, so fondly.
> For the life of me I can't figure out why Nyikos
> is so intent on making osprey into something he isn't.
Other than the obvious?
james g. keegan jr.
<81a9c568-0c9a-42ac...@u13g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
i left every word you posted included above, whoever you really are, as
a testament to your dishonesty and psychotic need to rewrite usenet
history.
james g. keegan jr.
<f28b42a4-1c59-4dde...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
elizabeth <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
original (not dissimilar to osprey) and seemingly unable to control
himself. the original woould never in a million years make such a fool
of himself.
elizabeth
> In article
> <f28b42a4-1c59-4dde-98ce-8e7438cf9...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's clear that either fauxNy is an identity thief, or he's gone
completely bonkers, early onset Alzheimers or whatever ... either way,
USC should be contacted. He's not making USC look good, in fact, he's
totally trashing them. Maybe it's a disgruntled former student trying
to make the uni and the prof look bad?
james g. keegan jr.
<7fd8af9b-0386-4e45...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
elizabeth <the_virt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2:09�pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
> > original (not dissimilar to osprey) and seemingly unable to control
> > himself. the original woould never in a million years make such a fool
> > of himself.- Hide quoted text -
>
> It's clear that either fauxNy is an identity thief, or he's gone
> completely bonkers, early onset Alzheimers or whatever ... either way,
> USC should be contacted. He's not making USC look good, in fact, he's
> totally trashing them. Maybe it's a disgruntled former student trying
> to make the uni and the prof look bad?
it could be any of the things you mention, or others. if it really is
the original, then we should treat him with pity if not occasional
kindness for what has happened to him.
the most interesting aspect of this version is how he/she "remembers"
things that happened long in the past which, in fact, never happened.
james g. keegan jr.
the original peter nyikos used the osprey-types of talk.abortion more
than a decade ago much the same way he uses and manipulates osprey now.
back then, he used ralph taite and doug holtsinger but both of them
were well educated and fairly smart guys so they never left him in the
untenuous position he is in now with osprey who is far less well
educated that taite and holtsinger. still, having an easy target loke
those guys were in the past and osprey is now gives the person posting
as peter nyikos some flexibility in position his misrepresentations.
--
he writes:
"Note: NOWHERE...and I'll repeat..NOWHERE do you see me mentioning the
New York Times. "
--scumbag heishman posting as Ospre...@hotmail.com in
news:9a845215-1896-47e0-acb9 fca427f2c...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com
apparently forgetting he had previously written:
"New York Times has all ready sent me a response stating you have been
warned."
-- prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com> in
news:2rCdnZNy7LA...@comcast.com
J
"elizabeth" <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5869702-d507-49d8...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>
> So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
> some men, come visit him?
I don't get to read too many of his posts, so I'll take your word for that.
However, what I have read by him has never shown any indication for me to
believe anything other than he was just being hospital to another human
being in extending such invitations. As far as "old sewer mouth" goes, I
can't imagine anything other than she was inviting strange men to her home
for some perversion or another.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Osprey
> "elizabeth" <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Lets set the record straight.
I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
Boo tried to a few weeks ago and when I gave him the conditions on how
to find me, he refused to cooperate.
Osprey
Is that so?
Do you have this list of several group regulars?
Osprey
You've proven it.
> Has claimed that several regulars have criminal
> records, including child molestation and
> pedophilia convictions, but will never provide
> evidence on that front either. See every paragraph
> about every person above.
Hmm, odd. Adam doesn't care when I'm called a criminal. In fact, Adam
(IAAH) has called me a criminal.
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:47:58 -0500
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:47:58 -0400
From: IAAH <ia...@dodgeit.com>
Message-ID: <z7-dnfoJSIxTNxTb...@giganews.com>
> Are you calling me a "felon"?
Yes.
>
> Has also made various claims about his background
> and education, which have been almost universally
> disproved by his subsequent writings.
>
> Claims to be pro-choice, but is not. Says he isn't
> anti-abortion, but universally supports laws that
> restrict abortion access.-
I proudly stand by my position on abortion no matter how hard you work
at trying to twist it.
I will support ANY woman's right to choose abortion since abortion is
legal and it is her right. I will NOT support "the choice" to abort.
Key words Adam is missing out here.
Supporting the right to choose
and
Supporting the choices.
One does not have to do both.
I support the current laws as they are now, as I've always stated.
Gwen Bennet
> On Oct 22, 12:40 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> > "elizabeth" <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:b5869702-d507-49d8...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
> > > some men, come visit him?
>
> > I don't get to read too many of his posts, so I'll take your word for that.
> > However, what I have read by him has never shown any indication for me to
> > believe anything other than he was just being hospital to another human
> > being in extending such invitations. As far as "old sewer mouth" goes, I
> > can't imagine anything other than she was inviting strange men to her home
> > for some perversion or another.
>
> Lets set the record straight.
> I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
Same thing, pervert.
Osprey
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT), Osprey
> <Ospre...@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <7956fbfa-9d12-4371-8e41-d1fee899a...@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I will support ANY woman's right to choose abortion since abortion is
> >legal and it is her right. I will NOT support "the choice" to abort.
> >Key words Adam is missing out here.
>
> pregnant woman only who cares whether you support it or not? I am
> sure she does not.
So???
>
> The availability of the choice itself is the only important issue, and
> you support that.
I support everyone's rights to choices, as long as those choices are
legal.
Gwen Bennet
> I support everyone's rights to choices, as long as those choices are
> legal.
Legal abortion included.
IAAH
That phrase is only an example of egregious
weaseling, since he's been supporting legislation
that erodes the legal availability of abortion for
quite some time.
It also doesn't square up to the little fits he's
had where he tries to tell us that 'pro-choice'
means having to support the choice that's made,
not simply the right to make it.
Kevin Kelly
>
A year
> or so later I heard from Mark Pundurs that Keegan's staunchest ally,
> Kevin Kelly, had departed the abortion newsgroups in disgrace after
> having "defended the indefensible,"
Dr. Giggles! I am not sure if you are the liar or this Pundurs fellow
is. I left T.A. when my first child was born to spend time
concentrating on what is important, something I expect is beyond your
ability to understand. I made a posting to that effect. In fact if
this whole Internet thing didn't confuse you so much you probably
could find a copy of the posting.
While I appreciate that your obsession with me manifesting itself
after all this time is causing you mental spasms I suggest that you
retire to the Old Mathematicians Home and engage in what for you would
be a rousing game of bingo. This would allow you to categorize the
other players in your famous enemies lists. In this way you can avoid
spouting such transparent falsehoods to so many on the Internet.
Somehow I expect you won't be.
You are if anything a net.masochist. You enjoy the pain and
humiliation you reap upon yourself. In fact I actually feel sorry for
you. I would have hoped after all this time you would have gotten
better. You haven't and that saddens me. I will pray for you.
Toodles.
james g. keegan jr.
<c37d4398-7fdf-4214...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Osprey <Ospr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Lets set the record straight.
> I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
> come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
> not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
careful liar bobby, you haven't had google block all of the posts where
i accepted your challenge and you repeatedly ran away when i did.
Kevin Kelly
> Lets set the record straight.
> I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
> come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
> not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
I would imagine they don't because they question their personal safety
around you. Can't say I blame them. Safety first.
Osprey
> On 10/22/09 9:44 AM, * Gwen Bennet wrote:
>
> > Shihead wrote:
>
> >> I support everyone's rights to choices, as long as those choices are
> >> legal.
>
> > Legal abortion included.
>
> That phrase is only an example of egregious
> weaseling, since he's been supporting legislation
> that erodes the legal availability of abortion for
> quite some time.
This is an example of how Adam (IAAH) is a control freak.
You will find this behavior in a lot of the liberals and those who
consider themselves pro-choice.
Because they will want to fight with you unless you absolutely agree
to what they agree to.
Osprey
Hey, if people are going to talk trash in a newsgroup and be afraid to
talk the same trash in person...then I call them how I see them.
Cowards.
J
"Osprey" <Ospr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hey, if people are going to talk trash in a newsgroup and be afraid to
> talk the same trash in person...then I call them how I see them.
> Cowards.
Just wait. At some point someone will claim that they *did* show up at your
door but that *you* weren't there. They'll even submit a video to YouTube to
back-up their claim. What they won't mention is the video will be taped and
submitted a FULL WEEK after the fact; and that although you can't see or
hear them in said video, they will claim that it was him/her BEHIND the
camera. Of course, you'll just have to take their word for it.
"Cowards" is the perfect description of these people with Usenet muscles.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Ray Fischer
>I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
>not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
Of course, several people have invited Asshole to make the trip
instead, and so far he has offered only excuses.
Just as well, since Asshole seems to be a very violent person.
I would punch you or any one of your cohorts in the mouth in a heartbeat.
Message-ID: <qYidnTur46MLIUjY...@comcast.com>
You wouldn't get five seconds out before you would regret it. Your
next move would be in the horizontal position, but being carried. You
would have a hole in your head to match the one that doesn't ever shut
up now.
Message-ID: <9740e6c2-7dc1-422e...@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Osprey
> Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> >What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> >that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
> >come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
> >not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>
> Of course, several people have invited Asshole to make the trip
> instead, and so far he has offered only excuses.
>
> Just as well, since Asshole seems to be a very violent person.
>
> I would punch you or any one of your cohorts in the mouth in a heartbeat.
>
> You wouldn't get five seconds out before you would regret it. Your
> next move would be in the horizontal position, but being carried. You
> would have a hole in your head to match the one that doesn't ever shut
> up now.
Aw, gee. Look at Ray flexing his mouth.
Lets see how Ray, the big bad strong man, feels about women.
From: rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Date: 24 Aug 2007 02:25:15 GMT
Message-ID: <46ce418b$0$14143$742e...@news.sonic.net>
Because everybody knows that women are not capable of being
responsible for their choices. Men must take care of women.
From: rfisc...@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Message-ID: <b8283v$jq...@bolt.sonic.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:06:56 GMT
DivaSycamore <notha...@none.com> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> DivaSycamore <notha...@none.com> wrote:
>> >Ray Fischer wrote:
>> >> > If in
>> >> >the event that the female turns out to be pregnant, then the man is
>> >> >SUPPOSED to stick around.
>> >> Why? Is she a little girl who can't take care of herself?
>> >Your words, not mine.
>> You're not answering the question.
>No, she's NOT a little girl. There, happy now?
Why is he supposed to stick around?
>> > It's his responsibility to BE A MAN and help out
>> Spare us the sexist bullshit.
>So now it's sexist to be RESPONSIBLE?
And you should shut-up and attend to your RESPONSIBILITIES
around the home.
>>You don't want a man.
>I already HAVE one dearie.
Then why the hell aren't you taking care of him instead of wasting
your time blathering about things you don't understand?
Get back to work, woman. Make yourself useful.
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osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 29, 1:35 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Osprey <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>> >"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> >> osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>> >>> rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >>>> Osprey <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> >>>> >> osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>On Jun 25, 11:01 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> Osprey <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> >"t1gercat" <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> >>>> >> All religions, in the end, are about power and profit. All
>> >>>> >>>> >> religions
>> >>>> >>>> >> want to suffuse people in self-induced neuroses from which they
>> >>>> >>>> >> surrender some self control to the religion. All religions want
>> >>>> >>>> >> money
>> >>>> >>>> >> and control, and all religions want individuals either to abjure
>> >>>> >>>> >> science and rationality or to confine them in a mental
>> >>>> >>>> >> compartment
>> >>>> >>>> >> whose walls keep the religious compulsions intack.
>>
>> >>>> >>>> >Does Science explain everything?
>> >>>> >>>> >Answer: No
>>
>> >>>> >>>> Does religion? Hell no. It doesn't explain much of anything.
>>
>> >>>> >>>You're too narrow minded and short-sighted to understand.
>>
>> >>>> >> And so Asshole Heishman declares victory and runs away, as usual.
>>
>> >>>> >Lets discuss the question I asked you in another thread, just today,
>> >>>> >where
>> >>>> >you cut out the question and ran away.
>>
>> >>>> >Shall we?
>>
>> >>>> Here's a clue, moron: I'm not going to waste my time an every inane,
>> >>>> irrelevant, and stupid question you come up with.
>>
>> >>>What is so stupid about asking you if you would help and/or support a
>> >>>woman who wants to get an abortion?
>>
>> >> It's stupid because it is not relevant.
>>
>> >It is relevant, because it shows you to be aliar when you claim to care
>> >about people.
>>
>> I don't claim to care about people, you dumbshit asshole. That's you
>> hallucinating from those drugs you've been taking.
>
>We both know you don't care about anyone but yourself.
We know that you're a liar and a coward, asshole, and every time you
embarrass yourself you start lying about other people.
> This little
>charade you like to put on, caring about the welfare of women;
I don't give a shit about women, you stupid dumbshit. And you really
need to lay of the drugs, moron, because if you get caught it'll mean
the end of your career.
--
Ray Fischer
rfisc...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Oct 22, 12:29�pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Osprey �<Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>> >What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>> >that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>> >come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
>> >not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>>
>> Of course, several people have invited Asshole to make the trip
>> instead, and so far he has offered only excuses.
>>
>> Just as well, since Asshole seems to be a very violent person.
>>
>> � � I would punch you or any one of your cohorts in the mouth in a heartbeat.
>> � � � � Message-ID: <qYidnTur46MLIUjYnZ2dnUVZ_ryln...@comcast.com>
>>
>> � � You wouldn't get five seconds out before you would regret it. �Your
>> � � next move would be in the horizontal position, but being carried. �You
>> � � would have a hole in your head to match the one that doesn't ever shut
>> � � up now.
>> � � � � Message-ID: <9740e6c2-7dc1-422e-8700-c11d085ac...@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
>
>Aw, gee. Look at Ray flexing his mouth.
They're your words, Asshole. What are you going to do about it?
Travel across the country and shoot me?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
pnyikos
> On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
> > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > living.
>
> NOT read any of those postings?
Cut it out, Humphrey. :-)
Seriously-- do you like to belabor the obvious?
Anyway, your suggestion is a bit like the fox telling the farmer how
to design the henhouse.
> Usenet cannot be 'dominated'.
I think you are confusing "dominated" with "monopolized,", and Usenet
with this cozy little Usenet newsgroup, t..a., that is a shadow of
what it used to be--and your suggestion only plays into the hands of
the dominant clique.
Chris Lyman made that clear back in 1992, when I said that if he
continued with his destructive shenanigans, he would go into my *de
facto* killfile. His response was, "Oh, please, Br'er ... don't fling
me into that briar patch!" [I can't recall now how he addressed me.]
>Nobody is stopping
> you from posting as you like and reading as you like.
You really DO enjoy belaboring the obvious, don't you?
But you are missing the point of "dominate," probably intentionally.
When you started posting to t.a., why did you decide to pick on
Osprey, besides the fact that he was outnumbered about 10-1 and you
prefer 10-1 odds to 1-10 odds?
And now for a much tougher question: which team the average reader of
t.a. is going to believe when it is the clique's word against that of
a solitary person?
And an even tougher question as far as YOU are concerned: which team
the average reader of t.a. is going to believe when it is the clique's
word against that of a lone person who documents lie after lie after
lie of the clique, while they fail to document any by the lone person?
Peter Nyikos
Osprey
Laugh at you.
Kevin Kelly
They aren't cowards. Given the quotes I have seen you appear to be a
violent thug. I could be wrong so feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
In fact your supposed invitation is a threat in and of itself. I do my
best to avoid violent and unstable people. Others that do that are not
cowards. Simply doing the right thing.
I will leave the comments from others that invited you to come see
them and you refused for when I am bored.
Osprey
> On Oct 21, 1:12 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>
> > On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > > radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > > living.
>
> > You realize that you're perfectly free to, say,
> > NOT read any of those postings?
>
> Cut it out, Humphrey. :-)
You think IAAH is the Chief Idiot Humphrey?
Hmm, it's kind of odd when IAAH said "You realize that you're
perfectly free to, say, NOT read any of those postings?"
That is something the Chief Idiot would say.
I'm still very much convinced that IAAH is Adam H.
HOWEVER, it's always possible that the Chief Idiot Humphrey played the
part of Adam H. and now IAAH.
He is well known for his stalking and known for getting highly upset
when he gets ignored.
Adam H. dissappeared shortly after I had him busted for spamming a
government agents e-mail.
He had submitted the e-mail address to several web sites that spam
your e-mail with junk. It was traced and it was revealed that the
person submitting the e-mail address was the same person using the IP
Host Adam H. used.
Then he dissappeared, and about a year later IAAH comes into the
picture, talking the SAME arguments, giving the SAME responses that
Adam H. would use. And then when IAAH would bring up some issue about
me, he would ALWAYS refer back to something I said to Adam H.
Osprey
> On Oct 22, 11:01 am, Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 22, 10:18 am, Kevin Kelly <kevinbke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Lets set the record straight.
> > > > I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> > > > What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> > > > that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
> > > > come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
> > > > not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>
> > > I would imagine they don't because they question their personal safety
> > > around you. Can't say I blame them. Safety first.
>
> > Hey, if people are going to talk trash in a newsgroup and be afraid to
> > talk the same trash in person...then I call them how I see them.
> > Cowards.
>
> They aren't cowards.
O.k., if you say so.
So, a new user "Kevin Kelly" suddenly appears on alt.abortion. And
just happens to pick this very thread to start conversations in.
Interesting.
Given the quotes I have seen you appear to be a
> violent thug.
Could Kevin Kelly be a sockpuppet for Gwen? Elizabeth? The writing
style seems to be of someone with a basic education so that rules out
Keegan. IAAH? Hmmm
>I could be wrong so feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
You are wrong, period. I don't have to demonstrate that to you.
> In fact your supposed invitation is a threat in and of itself. I do my
> best to avoid violent and unstable people. Others that do that are not
> cowards. Simply doing the right thing.
Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
the same region as Gwen.
>
> I will leave the comments from others that invited you to come see
> them and you refused for when I am bored.
Right, you do that errr Kevin, Gwen...or who ever you are.
pnyikos
> On 10/20/09 6:41 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
[Note: this is actually a follow-up to a post on the thread, "If L.
Frank Baum had encountered someone like Keegan"; I will eventually be
following up to the same post there, approaching it from a different
angle.
>
> > On Oct 16, 2:14 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> >> I guess that Keegan, Tom S., Elizabeth,
> >> Gwen, Humphrey and Fischer are the ones that I
> >> really have to watch out for, because (and I had
> >> no idea of this, before BB was so kind as to share
> >> the knowledge) you are apparently bad persons, and
> >> deserve spankings.
>
> > They deserve being made responsible for their lies. And no amount of
> > histrionics from you can change that.
>
> So does Bipolar Bob, but you don't see me whining
> and trying to make someone else responsible.
I do see you complaining, which amounts to whining as far as the Cozy
Clique is concerned, quite a lot in the post you did immediately
(1:17pm) after the one to which I am replying here. (1:12pm).
> > I've given you the raw material you need for Keegan, Fischer and
> > Spartakus (whose name you neglected to include). The ball is in your
> > court.
>
> That's nice, but I'll tell you what any sane
> person would.
You have an incredibly narrow concept of what "any" sane person would
write in similar circumstances.
Apparently, you consider the following saying of Jesus to be insane:
"Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice, for they shall be
satisfied."
I must admit, I would wonder about its sanity too, did I not cling to
a hope (sometimes strong, sometimes close to the vanishing point) that
there is a life after death and that he has told us a great deal about
how to prepare for it. For I think less than half of those who hunger
and thirst for justice will be satisfied in this life. I for one am
most unsatisfied, despite my great hunger and thirst for justice, and
will continue to be unless justice comes to these newsgroups one way
or another.
Would you say the part of Jesus's saying preceding the comma is
insane? I certainly do not--I live by it.
There are many great injustices in talk.abortion and alt.abortion, and
many injustices of assorted magnitude each day on the average.
For example, don't you maintain that Osprey is unjust to you? [Note,
I'm not saying whether he is or not; I have seen too little evidence
one way or the other so far.]
> I am not responsible for what others write,
> regardless of your or Bipolar Bob's desire to make
> me. Those exchanges don't involve me.
A person who hungers and thirsts for justice IN GENERAL would have
answered very differently. Evidently you only care about justice when
it is your ox that is being gored--or Keegan's when Osprey calls him a
liar for accusing him of forgery wrt the New York Times.
You did interrogate him quite closely about that, you know, even
though exchanges about the New York Times did not involve you at
first.
Have you ever interrogated any of the Seven Musketeers--Gwen,
"elizabeth", Fischer, Hekhuis, Humphrey, Keegan, or "Spartakus" that
closely about anything?
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
> "Osprey", AKA Robert Heishman. Claims to know that
> my real name is "Adam", but has yet to provide any
> source or evidence for that claim, preferring
> instead to run from it at every opportunity, or to
> simply manufacture 'evidence' and lie about it.
That's because he is wearing Cozy Clique Camouflage when he posts like
that.
He is lowering himself to roughly the level of the Seven Musketeers by
that action: the seven have been hard at work for months trying to
convince people that I am not, in fact, who I am: Peter Nyikos,
Professor of Mathematics at the University of South Carolina,
Columbia, SC since 1979.
In the case of Musketeers "elizabeth" and Humphrey, he has only
lowered himself halfway to their level: they have lied point-blank
that I am not who I say I am, and in addition to everything you say
after "Adam" applying to them, they have also failed to apply a
simple remedy for their "ignorance": neither they nor any other
member of the "cozy clique" have ever e-mailed me at my departmental e-
mail address (or any of my e-mail addresses, for that matter) to ask
the man Keegan calls "the real peter nyikos" whether he is really me.
Only sexkitten has done that, and I answered her promptly and
cordially, and thanked her in t.a. for having done it.
Do you have the guts to do it? If you wish, I could even keep it a
secret that you contacted me, if you wish--at least unless and until
you pretend not to have done it.
Peter Nyikos
elizabeth
> In article
> <7fd8af9b-0386-4e45-8c65-7bb6c23a4...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> elizabeth <the_virtuouspa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 2:09 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
> > > original (not dissimilar to osprey) and seemingly unable to control
> > > himself. the original woould never in a million years make such a fool
> > > of himself.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > It's clear that either fauxNy is an identity thief, or he's gone
> > completely bonkers, early onset Alzheimers or whatever ... either way,
> > USC should be contacted. He's not making USC look good, in fact, he's
> > totally trashing them. Maybe it's a disgruntled former student trying
> > to make the uni and the prof look bad?
>
> it could be any of the things you mention, or others. if it really is
> the original, then we should treat him with pity if not occasional
> kindness for what has happened to him.
>
> the most interesting aspect of this version is how he/she "remembers"
> things that happened long in the past which, in fact, never happened
Well, that's just it, if it *is* the real PiNhead, he's not in his
right mind!
Sort of like when you get someone who has dementia and is walking
around naked down the street, you just don't let them embarass
themselves in public, because they would never have done it if their
brains were fully functional.
I would never allow anyone I cared about to do something like that,
and hope that there are those around me who would prevent me from
doing the same!
elizabeth
> "elizabeth" <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b5869702-d507-49d8...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
> > some men, come visit him?
>
> I don't get to read too many of his posts, so I'll take your word for that.
> However, what I have read by him has never shown any indication for me to
> believe anything other than he was just being hospital to another human
> being in extending such invitations. As far as "old sewer mouth" goes, I
> can't imagine anything other than she was inviting strange men to her home
> for some perversion or another.
>
> J Young
> Jvisi...@live.com
Uh, J, you're the only reg who has less brain function than Oopsey so
your post is truly damning him with faint praise in more than one
way. In fact, any sane person would be appalled if you backed them up!
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
He's not intelligent enough to be a good prevaricator.
elizabeth
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT), Osprey
> <Ospre...@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <7956fbfa-9d12-4371-8e41-d1fee899a...@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >I will support ANY woman's right to choose abortion since abortion is
> >legal and it is her right. I will NOT support "the choice" to abort.
> >Key words Adam is missing out here.
>
> pregnant woman only who cares whether you support it or not? I am
> sure she does not.
You got it. I'm sure almost every female in the entire world does not
give a diarrhetic shit if he supports her or not, but just would
prefer him to STAY THE FUCK AWAY . .. as if his "permission" has any
validity to any woman in the entire world, when you get right down to
it .. . as if any woman who can't completely shut him out of her life
would even consult with him about her choice!
> The availability of the choice itself is the only important issue, and
> you support that.
I'm willing to bet that the females in his milieu have a don't tell
don't ask policy concerning their bodies with him.
> --
> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> Every illegal alien is a criminal.
> No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
> Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
>
> Support H.R. 1940: Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
>
> Any organizations with any of the following words or phrases in their name should
> be avoided at all costs:
>
> Catholic Anything
> Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum
> Decency
> Family - Other than Family Planing
> Faith Based Anything
> Justice Institute
> Liberty
> Life
> Moral
> Parents Television Council
> United for Life
> Values
>
> Michael Vick should be stripped naked and put in a pit
> with at least a dozen of his dogs.
elizabeth
Well, a big part of it is he's a fat, nasty, misogynistic creep. Why
would any sane person go out of their way to go face to face with that
diseased, brain rotted fuckstain?
elizabeth
> Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
> >What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
> >that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
> >come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
> >not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>
> Of course, several people have invited Asshole to make the trip
> instead, and so far he has offered only excuses.
>
> Just as well, since Asshole seems to be a very violent person.
>
> I would punch you or any one of your cohorts in the mouth in a heartbeat.
>
> You wouldn't get five seconds out before you would regret it. Your
> next move would be in the horizontal position, but being carried. You
> would have a hole in your head to match the one that doesn't ever shut
> up now.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net
and he expects his targets to pay their own way to visit that tacky
little state.
pnyikos
> On Oct 21, 10:12 am, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > > radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > > living.
>
> > You realize that you're perfectly free to, say,
> > NOT read any of those postings?
>
> > you from posting as you like and reading as you
>
> Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> demanded proof for any assertion.
Did they now? All profs? Or just math profs? In ordinary
conversation, or in classes? [talk.abortion is not a class, to belabor
the obvious] or just in papers that you handed in? Did you even
attend a university or college?
Have you even MET a real prof?
As any math prof could tell you, you can make any assertion you want
about the members of the empty set. So you might be telling the truth
up there simply because you haven't met any real profs.
Fact is, there are few proofs demanded of our math students in most
courses below the "500 level" (one exception: Math 300). In Math 142,
for example, I am happy if they can just work the straightforward
problems-- although I do expect them to show the work when they work a
problem involving several steps.
I often let even my 500 level students (and sometimes my graduate
students as well) state the answer to a problem without proving that
it is the answer.
> He seems to think that Oopsey is immune to proving his assertions.
Seems to whom? Didn't you see me berating him for playing string-em-
out?
> And that his perceived enemies have to "prove" their opinions and
> conclusions based on what Oopsey himself posts.
Yes, why not display some of what he posts and explain HOW it
justifies some of the things you say about him? I don't think I've
EVER seen you do that--you just keep taking refuge in generalities.
You might start by displaying his post that keeps being characterized
as showing him threatening to kill Gwen.
Peter Nyikos
IAAH
I know what the word means. If you know that too,
then you used the word wrongly.
If you don't know what it means, then you should
find out.
>
> When you started posting to t.a., why did you decide to pick on
> Osprey, besides the fact that he was outnumbered about 10-1 and you
> prefer 10-1 odds to 1-10 odds?
"Pick on"?
Regardless of his or your mental positioning, it's
not the schoolyard in here, you know? I chose to
reply to his posts because he throws out the most
consistently-wrong statements. You're attempting
to throw others' writings into my back yard, which
isn't going to get anywhere.
It's also obvious from your tone and words that
you're not looking for answers - like Bipolar Bob,
you want a platform from which to whinge.
Well, whinge away.
james g. keegan jr.
<04ef145f-10c0-493f...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2:59 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> > demanded proof for any assertion.
>
[..]
> Have you even MET a real prof?
how well do real profs comprehend what they read?
how many might say "Have you even MET a real prof?," after having
someone say to them, "all the real profs I ever met..?"
pnyikos
> On Oct 21, 9:57 am, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Following a rehash of some of my first post, I confront "elizabeth",
> > one of the members of the cozy clique.
>
> > On Oct 21, 12:20 pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > >Today, t.a.
> > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague.
> > > These people would be misfits in just about any other group, but
> > > talk.abortion is nowhere near as "inhabited" as it was back then, so
> > > that by putting up a united front against all comers, they are able
> > > to create a cozy little home for themselves, reassuring each other
> > > with messages to the effect of "I'm OK, you're OK, and anyone who
> > > doesn't see that not only Not-OK, but a nobody."
>
> > Below, in a reply to a post on the thread, "If L. Frank Baum had
> > encountered someone like Keegan" , you see me confronting this "OK-
> > NotOK" mentality.
>
> > On Oct 16, 4:23 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 16, 12:02 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> > > > Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> I'm more honest ....
>
> > > > >Stop there because you just lied.
>
> > > > Everybody is more honest than you, Asshole.
>
> > There's a real whopper from a pathological liar who has the
> > distinction of being the only person another member of the cozy clique
> > admitted (with the understatement of 2008) could be "an asshole
> > sometimes.."
>
> > > > You've lied so often
> > > > about so many people that you have NO credibility left.
>
> > Words that apply many times more strongly to Fischer, Keegan and
> > "Spartakus". In fact, all three--and "elizabeth" too, from whom we
> > hear shortly--seem to live by the adage "Why tell the truth when it's
> > more convenient to lie?"
>
> > [Osprey, to Humphrey:]
>
> > > > >You associate yourself and you take side with people in here who
> > > > >willingly lie.
>
> > Now comes a Fischerite Pee Wee Hermanism:
>
> > > > He's not associated with you, Asshole.
> > > Poor Oopsey doesn't get it, just because we all agree that he's a
> > > fucktard, that means we all lie.
>
> > Spare us your phony sympathy, "elizabeth." The fact that you all--
> > meaning the seven Musketeers--lie, has been thoroughly documented and
> > has nothing to do with whether Osprey is what you say he is, and you
> > know it, but so you'll never say that publicly because you know it
> > won't go over too well with the casual readership.
>
> > The seven musketeers and a handful of allies (LC, Tom S., pawaf, and
> > IAAH) are all your "we all". You are a cozy little clique who have
> > found a cozy pair of newsgroups where you can even avoid talking about
> > abortion if you want, and can put on a united front against all
> > comers. You dominate talk.abortion to an extent that would have been
> > unthinkable back in 1997, as related in my first post to this new
> > thread.
>
> > >Rather than even consider the
>
> > > possibility that we all came to the same conclusion because that's
> > > where all the evidence, which he provides, points.
>
> > That evidence is very scanty--for instance, you and Gwen have never
> > been able to document Gwen's allegation that Osprey threatened to kill
> > her. When Osprey gave his version--utterly different from hers--of
> > what had transpired between them, I saw nary a murmur of dissent from
> > anyone, not Gwen, not you, not Keegan--and IIRC Keegan was the only
> > one who even followed up to that post.
>
> > > His own online
> > > "testimony" impeaches him!
>
> > This last comment of yours is a standard irresponsible Internet cop-
> > out. Let's see some of that alleged evidence (or "testimony") for a
> > change, "elizabeth".
>
> > Peter Nyikos
>
> Sounding very, very Oopsey, fauxNy.
Translation: I am holding the feet of several people to the fire--
members of the Cozy Clique all, and so that makes me "sound very, very
Oopsey," even though our posting styles are MANY times more different
from each other than the posting styles of Tom S. and IAAH, for
example, are from each other.
In a newsgroup in which you were isolated, almost everyone would agree
that you are obsessed with Osprey, but here, the Cozy Clique pretends
that I am a fool for saying things like that--after all, you are one
of its most important members, and the only one posting under a
woman's name who posts on an almost daily basis.
LC
Union Square's Infamous Chicken, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:37mm82....@news.alt.net...
> Just wait. At some point someone will claim that they *did* show up at
> your door but that *you* weren't there. They'll even submit a video to
> YouTube to back-up their claim. What they won't mention is the video will
> be taped and submitted a FULL WEEK after the fact; and that although you
> can't see or hear them in said video, they will claim that it was him/her
> BEHIND the camera. Of course, you'll just have to take their word for it.
Poor 'lil J<unkie>.
He's obviously been deeply psychology traumatized by his being exposed as a
no-show coward.
This is good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSi6BbVPKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0GWGPX7uQ&feature=related
"Run Away J"!
<bok-bok!>
pnyikos
> Ol' Bipolar Bob does seem to occupy a privileged
> place in his heart, doesn't he?
Not much more than Stalin occupied a privileged place in Winston
Churchill's heart during WWII. Did you really miss the post where I
explained my attitude to elizabeth, using this historical reference?
You did say you saw a parallel thread, going on at the same time.
> For the life of me I can't figure out why Nyikos
> is so intent on making osprey into something he isn't.
Do tell me what you think I am making Osprey out to be.
This should be most interesting.
Peter Nyikos
elizabeth
>
>
>
> pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 2:59 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> > > demanded proof for any assertion.
>
> [..]
> > Have you even MET a real prof?
>
> how well do real profs comprehend what they read?
>
> how many might say "Have you even MET a real prof?," after having
> someone say to them, "all the real profs I ever met..?"
Well, actually, I have met any number of real profs ... this is the
sort of statement that proves that fauxNy isn't who he says he is.
Because it's so easily falsifiable.
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dude, that is about as paranoid and delusional as it gets. Really,
get someone who cares about you, if there is anyone, to start editing
your posts. Unless you're trying to set up an insanity defense?
IAAH
Thank YOU, Bipolar Bob. I won my wager and so I
get my next sunny afternoon for beers on the
veranda. I may have to wait until next year, I
suppose.
Given your predilection for preferring the avenue
of greatest paranoia, I was sure you'd accuse him
of being a sockpuppet in the first 6 rounds,
solely on the basis of not being present before.
You made it to 2, and #2 is certainly what you
gave back.
>
>> I could be wrong so feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
>
> You are wrong, period. I don't have to demonstrate that to you.
>
>> In fact your supposed invitation is a threat in and of itself. I do my
>> best to avoid violent and unstable people. Others that do that are not
>> cowards. Simply doing the right thing.
>
> Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
> the same region as Gwen.
Except that his geolocates to Illinois, and Gwen's
to Massachusetts. That's no guarantee of location,
mind.
You can call me a liar (I have no doubt you will,
as that's a reflex as deeply-etched in you as
breathing) but those look to me to be about 1800
Km apart. So, yes, both IPs *are* in the Western
Hemisphere. Is that what you were getting at?
You think that a precision +/- 18000 Km is enough
to say two posters are the same person (without a
doubt, too)?
pnyikos
> I really think it's time that the head of the math department is
> contacted about the obvious impersonater in here
Now Elizabeth contradicts him/herself big time, and she just might be
too stupid to realize that:
> . .. all it would
> take is one disgruntled math student to google fauxNy and he'd have
> enough evidence to get the real Nykios "emeritused" out the door.
Not if I were the impersonator "elizabeth" claims I am.
And even though I AM the real Peter Nyikos , the only reason I would
come under sharp scrutiny is that there are many people lying their
heads off about me, and it takes a long time to get to the truth of
the matter when I am so badly outnumbered. And yet IAAH simulates an
opinion that nobody is dominating talk.abortion.
I say "simulates" for two reasons: first, I think he is all too happy
to belong to a clique that dominates talk.abortion; and second, he
said "Usenet" rather than "talk.abortion," perhaps because he knows
the art of weasel words almost as well as Galen Hekhuis does.
IAAH
Weren't you paying attention when you wrote that
you considered him to be deceiving us all?
Trust me, he's not deceiving us by pretending to
be unable to string coherent concepts together. He
really is unable to.
pnyikos
> On Oct 21, 3:10 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > > On Oct 21, 10:12 am, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> > >> On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
> > >>> The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > >>> is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > >>> who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > >>> clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > >>> jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > >>> living.
> > >> You realize that you're perfectly free to, say,
> > >> NOT read any of those postings?
>
> > >> you from posting as you like and reading as you
>
> > > demanded proof for any assertion.
> > > conclusions based on what Oopsey himself posts.
>
> > place in his heart, doesn't he?
>
Huh? I don't even recall J acknowledging the existence of Osprey.
Most of the threads I see him in, he just posts an article and then
vamooses. I tried for a long time to pin J down, then finally decided
it wasn't worth the effort.
> > For the life of me I can't figure out why Nyikos
> > is so intent on making osprey into something he isn't.
So tell us all, Gwen, just what YOU think I am making Osprey into.
Without that, your next sentence fragment makes no sense whatsoever:
> Other than the obvious?
You are suggesting there is only ONE obvious reason. What is that,
pray tell?
By the way, Gwen, can you describe a post of yours which had nothing
to do with Osprey nor with your friendship with Keegan and Humphrey
(and maybe other clique members)? I can't recall any.
Peter Nyikos
IAAH
> On Oct 21, 3:18 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I really think it's time that the head of the math department is
>> contacted about the obvious impersonater in here
>
> Now Elizabeth contradicts him/herself big time, and she just might be
> too stupid to realize that:
>
>> . .. all it would
>> take is one disgruntled math student to google fauxNy and he'd have
>> enough evidence to get the real Nykios "emeritused" out the door.
>
> Not if I were the impersonator "elizabeth" claims I am.
>
> And even though I AM the real Peter Nyikos , the only reason I would
> come under sharp scrutiny is that there are many people lying their
> heads off about me, and it takes a long time to get to the truth of
> the matter when I am so badly outnumbered. And yet IAAH simulates an
> opinion that nobody is dominating talk.abortion.
Is anyone stopping you from posting in any way? Is
there a shadowy Oz putting limits on you that
don't exist for any others? Are other people not
as free to read your posts as the posts coming
from this 'clique' that you wax so paranoiac about?
No, I don't think that anything of that sort is
happening at all. Your use of the word "dominate"
was chosen, I believe, to foster the impression
that people that you haven't named to the "clique"
are less-privileged when they post or read.
That impression is shit fine enough to fertilize
many, many crops.
>
> I say "simulates" for two reasons: first, I think he is all too happy
> to belong to a clique that dominates talk.abortion; and second, he
> said "Usenet" rather than "talk.abortion," perhaps because he knows
> the art of weasel words almost as well as Galen Hekhuis does.
No, I use the word "Usenet" because that's what
this *is*. Google groups, among other uses,
provides an interface to Usenet groups.
Talk.abortion is not a Google group; it is a
Usenet group.
elizabeth
> On 10/22/09 3:17 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 3:18 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I really think it's time that the head of the math department is
> >> contacted about the obvious impersonater in here
>
> > Now Elizabeth contradicts him/herself big time, and she just might be
> > too stupid to realize that:
>
> >> . .. all it would
> >> take is one disgruntled math student to google fauxNy and he'd have
> >> enough evidence to get the real Nykios "emeritused" out the door.
>
> > Not if I were the impersonator "elizabeth" claims I am.
Well, it's more imaginative than claiming to be Napoleon, I suppose.
> > And even though I AM the real Peter Nyikos , the only reason I would
> > come under sharp scrutiny is that there are many people lying their
> > heads off about me, and it takes a long time to get to the truth of
> > the matter when I am so badly outnumbered. And yet IAAH simulates an
> > opinion that nobody is dominating talk.abortion.
>
> Is anyone stopping you from posting in any way? Is
> there a shadowy Oz putting limits on you that
> don't exist for any others? Are other people not
> as free to read your posts as the posts coming
> from this 'clique' that you wax so paranoiac about?
I dont' recall the real PiNhead being this paranoid, and echoing,
albeit in somewhat more advanced terminology, the sort in paranoia
that is Oopsey's . ...
> No, I don't think that anything of that sort is
> happening at all. Your use of the word "dominate"
> was chosen, I believe, to foster the impression
> that people that you haven't named to the "clique"
> are less-privileged when they post or read.
Exactly. He is free to make himself look as insane as he wants . ..
but the problem with that is, there really is a person whose
reputation would easily be destroyed by the sort of inanity and
insanity he's been spewing of late.
> That impression is shit fine enough to fertilize
> many, many crops.
>
>
>
> > I say "simulates" for two reasons: first, I think he is all too happy
> > to belong to a clique that dominates talk.abortion; and second, he
> > said "Usenet" rather than "talk.abortion," perhaps because he knows
> > the art of weasel words almost as well as Galen Hekhuis does.
>
> No, I use the word "Usenet" because that's what
> this *is*. Google groups, among other uses,
> provides an interface to Usenet groups.
> Talk.abortion is not a Google group; it is a
> Usenet group.- Hide quoted text -
james g. keegan jr.
IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> On 10/22/09 1:15 PM, * Osprey wrote:
[...]
> > Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
> > the same region as Gwen.
>
> Except that his geolocates to Illinois, and Gwen's
> to Massachusetts. That's no guarantee of location,
> mind.
whatever made you think that l'il bobbi bothered to check ip addresses
before he just made something up and posted it, as he has done several
hundred times before?
it probably never occurred to him that someone noticed the person
posting as peter nyikos' lie about kelly, who hasn't been active in t.a.
for over a decade, and forwarded the posting on to him.
i wonder what the person posting as peter nyikos would say if someone
posted that a long-gone newsgroup regular had confided in them that
nyikos was giving blowjobs to catholic priests and choir and altar boys
after making exactly the same kind of claim about kelly today?
pnyikos
[...]
> > > On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > > > radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> > > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > > > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> > > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > > > living.
> this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
> original
I do believe Keegan is trying to goad me into recalling some things I
did in 1992-97 that most people HERE would regard as far more hateful
than anything I've posted since I resumed posting last November. In
fact, I think this is the ONLY reason he is saying something which he
almost surely knows to be false.
Well...there is one other possibility: Keegan is so self-centered
that perhaps the only things he considers to be hateful are the
things that are directed squarely at him--and I HAVE attacked him more
times since my return than I did the whole time I posted in 1992-97.
But that is only for the reasons that I outlined in my first post: the
radical change, both in numbers and quality, of participants in
talk.abortion. A lot of the time back then, I ignored him because I
had bigger fish to fry.
A change that I didn't spell out very much is that Keegan, Fischer,
and Humphrey have become more openly dishonest and hateful than they
were then. And that is a natural outgrowth of the other things I
talked about: as Lord Acton put it, "Power tends to corrupt, and
absolute power corrupts absolutely."
The Cozy Clique is still very far from absolute power here in
talk.abortion, and one of the reasons I hung around so long after
posting in November is that I aim to ensure that things stay that way.
>(not dissimilar to osprey) and seemingly unable to control
> himself. the original woould never in a million years make such a fool
> of himself.
Don't you ever get tired of telling whoppers, Keegan?
Peter Nyikos
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
fauxNy, I read the posts where Oopsey threatened Gwen, and he has done
it many, many times.
elizabeth
Dude, get a fucking grip on reality.
> The Cozy Clique is still very far from absolute power here
In fact, there is no power of any kind in operation, other than in a
diseased mind.
Only your ISP and sanity can stop you from posting the bullshit you've
been posting of late.
IAAH
> In article <hbqav5$c54$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/09 1:15 PM, * Osprey wrote:
> [...]
>>> Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
>>> the same region as Gwen.
>> Except that his geolocates to Illinois, and Gwen's
>> to Massachusetts. That's no guarantee of location,
>> mind.
>
>
> whatever made you think that l'il bobbi bothered to check ip addresses
> before he just made something up and posted it, as he has done several
> hundred times before?
I doubt very much that he bothered.
I don't doubt at all that he'll reply - assuming
that he replies at all - with a mighty tale about
"methods and applications" that he's not allowed
to tell us about.
It must be the same methods and the same
applications that got him an IP address where none
existed.
>
> it probably never occurred to him that someone noticed the person
> posting as peter nyikos' lie about kelly, who hasn't been active in t.a.
> for over a decade, and forwarded the posting on to him.
I'd be like to simply assume that Kelly's been
lurking off and on, myself.
Gwen Bennet
> On 10/22/09 9:44 AM, * Gwen Bennet wrote:
>
> > Shihead wrote:
>
> >> I support everyone's rights to choices, as long as those choices are
> >> legal.
>
> > Legal abortion included.
>
> That phrase is only an example of egregious
> weaseling, since he's been supporting legislation
> that erodes the legal availability of abortion for
> quite some time.
>
> It also doesn't square up to the little fits he's
> had where he tries to tell us that 'pro-choice'
> means having to support the choice that's made,
> not simply the right to make it.
Nobody should have open-ended dialogue with osprey. It's best to be to
the point and give him a direct hit with an answer that compels him to
lie about something you said; then you know you've broken him.
IAAH
He must be lying about (hah, do you see what I did
there?) in itty-bitty shards by now.
Gwen Bennet
> On Oct 21, 3:53 pm, Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 3:10 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> > > For the life of me I can't figure out why Nyikos
> > > is so intent on making osprey into something he isn't.
>
> So tell us all, Gwen, just what YOU think I am making Osprey into.
Your puppet, impostor. It's obvious.
pnyikos
I call them as I see them. You obviously would like me to see it
differently, but I deleted the sequel because in this one case,
actions really do speak louder than words--and I'm curious to see what
your subsequent actions will be.
> It's also obvious from your tone and words that
> you're not looking for answers
I think you have me confused with Osprey. :-)
Anyway, if you look at the reply I gave Fischer a day or two ago, in
which I respectfully acknowledged that he HAD posted some statements
by Osprey that he, at least, thinks were lies, you should realize that
answers are exactly what I am looking for.
Hell, I looked for answers all through the long thread, "Can Osprey
get a fair trial in the abortion newsgroups," and never got any. None
of the Seven Musketeers was the least interested in giving him
anything resembling a fair trial. Do you think the question was
rhetorical? I'd LOVE to see anyone--and that includes the members of
the Cozy Clique--get the closest thing to a fair trial that anyone can
get in a Usenet newsgroup.
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
> In article
> <04ef145f-10c0-493f-ab07-b9598960b...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 2:59 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> > > demanded proof for any assertion.
>
> [..]
> > Have you even MET a real prof?
>
> how well do real profs comprehend what they read?
>
> how many might say "Have you even MET a real prof?," after having
> someone say to them, "all the real profs I ever met..?"
A real mathematical prof, who pointed out that one can say anything
they want about the members of the empty set without it being false. A
real mathematical prof who knows how flagrantly dishonest elizabeth
and you are.
And you just demonstrated your dishonesty again by deleting my words
which even acknowledged the truth of what Elizabeth said, IF 'e never
met any math profs.
Peter Nyikos
IAAH
If you want to do more than call as you see them,
then you should familiarize yourself with Bipolar
Bob's history in the abortion newsgroups.
From what I've seen, he's almost always the
instigator of bad relations with someone else. You
haven't seen that unless you've gone back a few years.
>
>> It's also obvious from your tone and words that
>> you're not looking for answers
>
> I think you have me confused with Osprey. :-)
>
> Anyway, if you look at the reply I gave Fischer a day or two ago, in
> which I respectfully acknowledged that he HAD posted some statements
> by Osprey that he, at least, thinks were lies, you should realize that
> answers are exactly what I am looking for.
>
> Hell, I looked for answers all through the long thread, "Can Osprey
> get a fair trial in the abortion newsgroups," and never got any. None
> of the Seven Musketeers was the least interested in giving him
> anything resembling a fair trial. Do you think the question was
> rhetorical? I'd LOVE to see anyone--and that includes the members of
> the Cozy Clique--get the closest thing to a fair trial that anyone can
> get in a Usenet newsgroup.
>
I tried to give him a fair trial when I first
began posting. He didn't make it two weeks before
descending to his default level - insults and
lies, mostly.
james g. keegan jr.
<ff28bbfd-05f8-4719...@b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 3:02 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <04ef145f-10c0-493f-ab07-b9598960b...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Oct 21, 2:59 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> > > > demanded proof for any assertion.
> >
> > [..]
> > > Have you even MET a real prof?
> >
> > how well do real profs comprehend what they read?
> >
> > how many might say "Have you even MET a real prof?," after having
> > someone say to them, "all the real profs I ever met..?"
>
> A real mathematical prof, who pointed out that one can say anything
> they want about the members of the empty set without it being false. A
> real mathematical prof who knows how flagrantly dishonest elizabeth
> and you are.
i see you blame others for your dishonesty.
could that be a sign of......?????
james g. keegan jr.
<bb3ca204-6803-4fa4...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 2:55 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> > It's also obvious from your tone and words that
> > you're not looking for answers
>
> I think you have me confused with Osprey. :-)
if so, there is a very good reason for that, is there not?
james g. keegan jr.
<080ecea4-40d5-4324...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 5:09 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > > On 10/21/09 12:20 PM, * pnyikos wrote:
> >
> > > > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> > > > > radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> > > > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> > > > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> > > > > avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> > > > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> > > > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> > > > > living.
> [...]
>
> > this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
> > original
>
> I do believe Keegan is trying to goad me into recalling some things I
> did in 1992-97 that most people HERE would regard as far more hateful
> than anything I've posted since I resumed posting last November.
the real peter nyikos often did exactly what you just tried to do:
defend one of your ugly vulnerabilities with a "belief" or an "imo" to
divert the conversation away from whatever ugliness he was currently
running away from.
nice try.
[...]
james g. keegan jr.
IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> On 10/22/09 3:43 PM, * james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> > In article <hbqav5$c54$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/22/09 1:15 PM, * Osprey wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
> >>> the same region as Gwen.
> >> Except that his geolocates to Illinois, and Gwen's
> >> to Massachusetts. That's no guarantee of location,
> >> mind.
> >
> >
> > whatever made you think that l'il bobbi bothered to check ip addresses
> > before he just made something up and posted it, as he has done several
> > hundred times before?
>
> I doubt very much that he bothered.
exactly.
>
> I don't doubt at all that he'll reply - assuming
> that he replies at all - with a mighty tale about
> "methods and applications" that he's not allowed
> to tell us about.
>
> It must be the same methods and the same
> applications that got him an IP address where none
> existed.
he made it up.
>
> >
> > it probably never occurred to him that someone noticed the person
> > posting as peter nyikos' lie about kelly, who hasn't been active in t.a.
> > for over a decade, and forwarded the posting on to him.
>
> I'd be like to simply assume that Kelly's been
> lurking off and on, myself.
you would have assumed incorrectly. i sent him the nyikos2 post.
>
> >
> > i wonder what the person posting as peter nyikos would say if someone
> > posted that a long-gone newsgroup regular had confided in them that
> > nyikos was giving blowjobs to catholic priests and choir and altar boys
> > after making exactly the same kind of claim about kelly today?
the person posting as peter nyikos won't touch that one with a ten foot
pole.
*smirk*
IAAH
> In article <hbqeop$frs$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/09 3:43 PM, * james g. keegan jr. wrote:
>>> In article <hbqav5$c54$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/22/09 1:15 PM, * Osprey wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
>>>>> the same region as Gwen.
>>>> Except that his geolocates to Illinois, and Gwen's
>>>> to Massachusetts. That's no guarantee of location,
>>>> mind.
>>>
>>> whatever made you think that l'il bobbi bothered to check ip addresses
>>> before he just made something up and posted it, as he has done several
>>> hundred times before?
>> I doubt very much that he bothered.
>
> exactly.
Consistency may be the only virtue he owns.
>> I don't doubt at all that he'll reply - assuming
>> that he replies at all - with a mighty tale about
>> "methods and applications" that he's not allowed
>> to tell us about.
>>
>> It must be the same methods and the same
>> applications that got him an IP address where none
>> existed.
>
> he made it up.
Just about certainly.
>>> it probably never occurred to him that someone noticed the person
>>> posting as peter nyikos' lie about kelly, who hasn't been active in t.a.
>>> for over a decade, and forwarded the posting on to him.
>> I'd be like to simply assume that Kelly's been
>> lurking off and on, myself.
>
> you would have assumed incorrectly. i sent him the nyikos2 post.
Uh-oh. I foresee an accusation that you and he are
the same person, and soon.
james g. keegan jr.
IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
he already accused kelly of being gwen, did he not?
(as he happens, we agree. i suggested he would do just that to kelly.)
IAAH
Yup, he did. I don't think that little fact is in
any way a barrier to him accusing anyone else,
though.
The shame here is that I've checked the forecast
and it looks like my beers on a sunny veranda may
have to wait quite a while.
pnyikos
> On Oct 22, 12:02 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <04ef145f-10c0-493f-ab07-b9598960b...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Oct 21, 2:59 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, and unworthy of a real math prof, all the real profs I ever met
> > > > demanded proof for any assertion.
>
> > [..]
> > > Have you even MET a real prof?
----------begin restoration----------
>>>As any math prof could tell you, you can make any assertion you want
>>>about the members of the empty set. So you might be telling the truth
>>>up there simply because you haven't met any real profs.
----------end of restoration---------
> > how well do real profs comprehend what they read?
Very, very well, as my restoration of what Keegan deleted makes clear.
> > how many might say "Have you even MET a real prof?," after having
> > someone say to them, "all the real profs I ever met..?"
Lots of math profs would, as is obvious from what I restored.
Why do I get this feeling that IAAH will act as though he never saw
this post? No matter how often I catch people doing dishonest
things, he feels that he has no need to take notice.
And, no matter that I've caught him twice making ignorant assertions
about things he should have known about: he keeps on sneering at me as
though I had been the one making them.
> Well, actually, I have met any number of real profs ... this is the
> sort of statement that proves that fauxNy isn't who he says he is.
Are you so gullible as to take Keegan's word on this, KNOWING his
propensity to delete things that tend to refute what he says?
Or are you just trying to make the best of a bad deal by taking
advantage of Keegan having deleted what I restored, knowing full well
just what it was he deleted?
> Because it's so easily falsifiable.
You can't falsify that kind of question, you ignorant fool.
And you've added one more data point to my general observation that in
the overwhelming majority of cases where you pretend to cast doubt on
my being a math professor, you rely on pure Garbage In. What's more,
unless you have some software that lets you look ONLY at posts of mine
that Keegan hasn't followed up to, you SAW that it was Garbage In this
time.
And y'all's behavior here provides yet more data points to support my
thesis that you are a very, very cozy clique, especially the Seven
Musketeers ("all for one and one for all") which includes you and
Keegan.
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
> On Oct 22, 12:03 pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 2:58 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 21, 9:57 am, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
[elizabeth wrote:]
> > > > > Poor Oopsey doesn't get it, just because we all agree that he's a
> > > > > fucktard, that means we all lie.
Watch out, folks: Elizabeth is going to call me paranoid and
delusional for saying something that refers to the following:
> > > > Spare us your phony sympathy, "elizabeth." The fact that you all--
> > > > meaning the seven Musketeers--lie, has been thoroughly documented and
Documentation provided on request.--a promise "elizabeth" just might
label "very, very Oopsey" despite the fact that it is diametrically
opposite the behavior of Osprey.
> > > > has nothing to do with whether Osprey is what you say he is, and you
> > > > know it, but so you'll never say that publicly because you know it
> > > > won't go over too well with the casual readership.
[...]
[elizabeth]
> > > > >Rather than even consider the
> > > > > possibility that we all came to the same conclusion because that's
> > > > > where all the evidence, which he provides, points.
And Elizabeth is going to call me paranoid and delusional for saying
something that refers to the following:
> > > > That evidence is very scanty--for instance, you and Gwen have never
> > > > been able to document Gwen's allegation that Osprey threatened to kill
> > > > her.
Also, Elizabeth called me very Oopsey for saying the following PURELY
FACTUAL statement. She could falsify it, but the smart money says she
never will even try:
> > > >When Osprey gave his version--utterly different from hers--of
> > > > what had transpired between them, I saw nary a murmur of dissent from
> > > > anyone, not Gwen, not you, not Keegan--and IIRC Keegan was the only
> > > > one who even followed up to that post.
>
> > > > > His own online
> > > > > "testimony" impeaches him!
>
> > > > This last comment of yours is a standard irresponsible Internet cop-
> > > > out. Let's see some of that alleged evidence (or "testimony") for a
> > > > change, "elizabeth".
>
> > > > Peter Nyikos
>
> > > Sounding very, very Oopsey, fauxNy.
>
> > Translation: I am holding the feet of several people to the fire--
> > members of the Cozy Clique all, and so that makes me "sound very, very
> > Oopsey," even though our posting styles are MANY times more different
> > from each other than the posting styles of Tom S. and IAAH, for
> > example, are from each other.
>
> > In a newsgroup in which you were isolated, almost everyone would agree
> > that you are obsessed with Osprey, but here, the Cozy Clique pretends
> > that I am a fool for saying things like that--after all, you are one
> > of its most important members, and the only one posting under a
> > woman's name who posts on an almost daily basis.- Hide quoted text -
> Dude, that is about as paranoid and delusional as it gets.
Post some evidence that it is either paranoid or delusional.
Heck, I'd like to see you even take it one clause at a time and even
allege what is paranoid or delusional about it.
Peter Nyikos
james g. keegan jr.
IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
> On 10/22/09 6:36 PM, * james g. keegan jr. wrote:
[...]
> >>>>> it probably never occurred to him that someone noticed the person
> >>>>> posting as peter nyikos' lie about kelly, who hasn't been active in
> >>>>> t.a.
> >>>>> for over a decade, and forwarded the posting on to him.
> >>>> I'd be like to simply assume that Kelly's been
> >>>> lurking off and on, myself.
> >>> you would have assumed incorrectly. i sent him the nyikos2 post.
> >> Uh-oh. I foresee an accusation that you and he are
> >> the same person, and soon.
> >
> > he already accused kelly of being gwen, did he not?
> >
> > (as he happens, we agree. i suggested he would do just that to kelly.)
>
> Yup, he did. I don't think that little fact is in
> any way a barrier to him accusing anyone else,
> though.
nor do i. it will be amusing to observe what he does.
you'd think he would have learned his lesson after he made such a fool
of himself with his mimi cohen lies.
"To anyone reading my words let it be known that Mimi Cohen is aka:
Krisblake, Pauline, Gia, Somewriter, and several other nicks."
--"osprey" <noneedtok...@mail.com>
news:1130988022....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
the person posting as peter nyikos will probably deny ever seeing this
particular osprey lie (although it has appeared in at least a few dozen
posts, if not more). it's too bad the nyikos persona doesn't know a phd
or a researcher to help him with google.
> The shame here is that I've checked the forecast
> and it looks like my beers on a sunny veranda may
> have to wait quite a while.
we're having a heat wave too. the temperature has risen from the 30's of
last week to the 60's today. woo woo
The Chief Instigator
> The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
> radical changes since I went on my 11-year break in 1997. Today, t.a.
> is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
> who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
> avoids abortion-related discussion like the plague. In fact, the only
> clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
> jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
> living.
Some of us know his real name. Dale and I have visited him a few times,
back when he was a bit closer to here.
> These people would be misfits in just about any other group, but
> talk.abortion is nowhere near as "inhabited" as it was back then, so
> that by putting up a united front against all comers, they are able
> to create a cozy little home for themselves, reassuring each other
> with messages to the effect of "I'm OK, you're OK, and anyone who
> doesn't see that not only Not-OK, but a nobody."
Quit whining, Phony.
> When I went on my 11-year break, t.a. was very different. in 1997, Keegan
> was beset with an insurrection by the Peals and an invasion by people
> (from alt.flame, if memory serves) seeking revenge for his success in
> having Andrew Beckwith lose his posting privileges. A year or so later I
> heard from Mark Pundurs that Keegan's staunchest ally, Kevin Kelly, had
> departed the abortion newsgroups in disgrace after having "defended the
> indefensible," and that Keegan was getting more and more isolated.
Free clue that you apparently need: this isn't 1997 any more, and in ten
more weeks it won't be 2009 any more. That's the breaks.
> Even in his heyday, Keegan and his allies didn't even have the run of the
> dominant pro-choice faction of talk.abortion. In 1992, when I started
> posting to talk.abortion, there were numerous intelligent (if often
> heated) on-topic conversations going on between regulars all the time
> where Keegan and his closest allies played little or no role. In
> 1993-1995 there was a gigantic schism in the pro-choice fanatic faction,
> which I have nicknamed The Mother of All Flamewars, in which Ray Fischer
> and Keegan were on opposite sides, Fischer being allied with Keegan's
> chief adversary Larry Margolis.
>
> Even in 1997, when Fischer and Keegan had long buried the hatchet, there
> were enough independent-minded pro-choicers--Bruce Forest, Malapert,
> Elaine McGirr, Pat Winstanley to name just some of the regulars--so that
> people could safely ignore anything the Keegan faction threw at them.
>
> Something has happened in the interim, I know not what -- something so
> drastic that I am reminded of a saying of Jesus, that after a demon is
> exorcised from someone it wanders the world for a number of years, and if
> he finds no home, he returns to the "house" he left and often finds it
> swept and ready for reoccupation, whence he invites seven devils to move
> in with him--"and the last state of the person is worse than the first."
>
> Peter Nyikos
Welcome to your senility, then. (Said supposed saying won't mean much to
those who are atheists.)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Lake Erie 1, Houston 0 (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 23 at San Antonio, 7:05
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 21, 12:20?pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
>> is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
>> who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
>> clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
>> jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
>> living.
>>
>> talk.abortion is nowhere near as "inhabited" as it was back then, so
>> that by putting up a united front against all comers, they are able
>> with messages to the effect of "I'm OK, you're OK, and anyone who
>> doesn't see that not only Not-OK, but a nobody."
>>
>> Keegan was beset with an insurrection by the Peals and an invasion by
>> people (from alt.flame, if memory serves) seeking revenge for his
>> success in having Andrew Beckwith lose his posting privileges. A year
>> or so later I heard from Mark Pundurs that Keegan's staunchest ally,
>> Kevin Kelly, had departed the abortion newsgroups in disgrace after
>> having "defended the indefensible," and that Keegan was getting more
>> and more isolated.
>>
>> started posting to talk.abortion, there were numerous intelligent (if
>> often heated) on-topic conversations going on between regulars all the
>> 1993-1995 there was a gigantic schism in the pro-choice fanatic
>> faction, which I have nicknamed The Mother of All Flamewars, in which
>> Ray Fischer and Keegan were on opposite sides, Fischer being allied
>> with Keegan's chief adversary Larry Margolis.
>>
>> there were enough independent-minded pro-choicers--Bruce Forest,
>> Malapert, Elaine McGirr, Pat Winstanley to name just some of the
>> regulars--so that people could safely ignore anything the Keegan
>> faction threw at them.
>>
>> Something has happened in the interim, I know not what -- something so
>> drastic that I am reminded of a saying of Jesus, that after a demon is
>> exorcised from someone it wanders the world for a number of years, and
>> if he finds no home, he returns to the "house" he left and often finds
>> it swept and ready for reoccupation, whence he invites seven devils to
>> move in with him--"and the last state of the person is worse than the
>> first."
>>
>> Peter Nyikos
>
> as a co-author, but anyone can be listed as a co-author of a book. It
> really isn't that hard. If you look at his grammar, spelling, his
> sentence structure you have to wonder
> a) If he ever graduated High School
> b) If he is mentally handicapped
> c) If he is experimenting with substance
He obviously did, just as I did.
> For someone who claims to be a author and a Graduate studies instructor,
> you would think that with all the time he has on his hands that he could
> find better things to do in life rather than sit in alt.abortion just
> following individuals around and making silly little comments.
Maybe you should beg someone to attempt to teach you how to ignore him.
> Fischer
> Again, another individual who likes to think he is superior and is always
> right. He repeats himself often and if anyone disagrees with him he just
> calls them a liar. He doesn't really have much of anything to say.
Free clue, Oopsey: you don't have much of a mind, if any. You can't read
your own alleged mind, much less anyone else's.
> IAAH
> Used to log on as Adam H.
Prove it, beyond any reasonable doubt.
> Was busted a few years back for spamming a
> government agents e-mail address. He denies being Adam H., but his
> writing style is the same, his arguments are the same. And when he
> references to something said years ago, he ALWAYS goes back to a
> posting by Adam H. A few times I would call him Adam H. and make a
> statement, and he would respond and not deny being Adam H.
...says the illiterate prison babysitter.
> Tom S.
> A person who claims to have been an officer in the Air Force and supposed
> to make hundreds of thousands of dollars. Another one like Fischer. He
> feels he is superior. But he has a child like quality, not able to get
> past acting like...Keegan. I doubt he was ever in the Air Force at all.
> Another one who can't find better things to do with his time.
You're supremely stupid, Blobby...you were USAF, so how the hell could you
*not* prove he wasn't in it?
> Elizabeth
> She is just a wacko. A person who has made terrible choices in life and
> she pays for those choices today. She hates men and children. She allows
> her obsessions to control her. She is willing to lie on a dime and make
> up accussations and when she is asked to show proof, she never does. She
> uses some excuse and when that excuse is used back, she is not willing to
> accept it.
She's likely laughing at your fantasy.
> Humphrey
> Another one who has way too much time on his hands. Busted years ago for
> stalking at Rice University. He has admitted that the stalking is a
> factor in his termination. Anyone entering alt.abortion, he is trying to
> trace them and tries to find out their location, age, and other personal
> things.
Free clue, since you need many of them badly: I was not fired for stalking.
Maybe you should provide documents to back up your fantasy...oops! You
aren't a party to the administrative process that resulted in my removal,
and the University doesn't listen to those, like you, who weren't involved
in the situation. Bet your life on that. (No legal charges were ever
contemplated.)
> Gwen
> Another one like Elizabeth. Just stupid and childish.
>
> Now, I strongly suspect that they are not all seperate individuals. I
> strongly suspect that a few of them have created other alias or they
> know someone and have asked them to create those alias and they all
> play off of each other.
Lay off the psychotropics, Moron Heishman. (She took the picture of us when
we stopped by about 16 months ago on our way home to Houston.)
> Regardless, they just have WAY too much time on their hands. For
> people who think they are superior and like to brag about themselves
> and making more money than others, they don't show the behavior of
> someone who would be successful. They show many behavior issues, such
> as anti-social, mentally challenged, anger issues, strong compulsions
> and obsession, ability to lie and want to lie, they support each
> others lies.
>
> I feel sorry for them, I truly do.
...says the liar who's been popped by his employers a few times (who are
regarded by a few media as a fairly corrupted agency).
The Chief Instigator
>
> "Osprey" <Ospr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ef51276c-ed5c-4dd5...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Keegan:
>
> Who?
Drunk again, Junkie?
>> Fischer
>
> A senile proponent of all legalized killing
Why should you care? You'll never put a female in such a condition.
>> IAAH
>
> Anonymous troll
...in other words, someone you can't stalk down so you can reveal his
identity.
>> Tom S.
>
> Another senile old goat. Pay him no heed
You might want to appreciate his service to our country.
>> Elizabeth
>
> An airhead. What did you expect?
You skipped ahead...that's you, Junkie.
>> Humphrey
>
> Rice University. Nothing else needs to be said
They'll never say anything to you.
>> Gwen
>
> A slut who has invited numerous men to come visit her.
So, you saw the shot she took of us last year? (We were home after a
15-hour drive from there.)
The Chief Instigator
>
> "elizabeth" <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b5869702-d507-49d8...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
>> some men, come visit him?
>
> I don't get to read too many of his posts, so I'll take your word for that.
> However, what I have read by him has never shown any indication for me to
> believe anything other than he was just being hospital to another human
> being in extending such invitations. As far as "old sewer mouth" goes, I
> can't imagine anything other than she was inviting strange men to her home
> for some perversion or another.
I can see why you think her taking a picture of a married couple would be a
perversion, Junkie.
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 21, 11:56?pm, Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 22, 1:25?am, Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 22, 12:40?am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > "elizabeth" <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:b5869702-d507-49d8...@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > > So, what do you call Oopsey, who has demanded that several women, and
>> > > > some men, come visit him?
>>
>> > > I don't get to read too many of his posts, so I'll take your word for that.
>> > > However, what I have read by him has never shown any indication for me to
>> > > believe anything other than he was just being hospital to another human
>> > > being in extending such invitations. As far as "old sewer mouth" goes, I
>> > > can't imagine anything other than she was inviting strange men to her home
>> > > for some perversion or another.
>>
>> > I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>> > What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>> > that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>> > come see me...
>>
>> Same thing, pervert.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
It's just a coincidence that on more than a few days, he hasn't enough sense
to find a way across a street.
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 22, 10:18?am, Kevin Kelly <kevinbke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Lets set the record straight.
>> > I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>> > What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>> > that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>> > not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>>
>> I would imagine they don't because they question their personal safety
>> around you. Can't say I blame them. Safety first.
>
> Hey, if people are going to talk trash in a newsgroup and be afraid to
> talk the same trash in person...then I call them how I see them.
> Cowards.
It's just a coincidence that you refuse to go to them.
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 22, 1:08?pm, Kevin Kelly <kevinbke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 22, 11:01?am, Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 22, 10:18?am, Kevin Kelly <kevinbke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Lets set the record straight.
>> > > > I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>> > > > What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>> > > > that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>> > > > come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
>> > > > not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>>
>> > > I would imagine they don't because they question their personal safety
>> > > around you. Can't say I blame them. Safety first.
>>
>> > Hey, if people are going to talk trash in a newsgroup and be afraid to
>> > talk the same trash in person...then I call them how I see them.
>> > Cowards.
>>
>
> O.k., if you say so.
>
> So, a new user "Kevin Kelly" suddenly appears on alt.abortion. And
> just happens to pick this very thread to start conversations in.
>
> Interesting.
>
> Given the quotes I have seen you appear to be a
>> violent thug.
>
> Could Kevin Kelly be a sockpuppet for Gwen? Elizabeth? The writing
> style seems to be of someone with a basic education so that rules out
> Keegan. IAAH? Hmmm
>
>>I could be wrong so feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
>
> You are wrong, period. I don't have to demonstrate that to you.
>
>> In fact your supposed invitation is a threat in and of itself. I do my
>> best to avoid violent and unstable people. Others that do that are not
>> cowards. Simply doing the right thing.
>
> Without a doubt, Kevin Kelly is a sock puppet. The IP Address is in
> the same region as Gwen.
>
>> them and you refused for when I am bored.
>
> Right, you do that errr Kevin, Gwen...or who ever you are.
Stupidity becomes you, Oopsey...she's nowhere near there. (Dale and I have
spent a night where the IP is located, fourteen years ago.)
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 22, 9:29?am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Osprey ?<Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >I've NEVER demanded anyone come visit me.
>> >What I have said, to those who run their mouths in this newsgroup, is
>> >that if they have the guts to talk their trash in here, then let them
>> >come see me in person and see if they have the same guts then. So far,
>> >not one person in this newsgroup has been willing to step forward.
>>
>> instead, and so far he has offered only excuses.
>>
>> Just as well, since Asshole seems to be a very violent person.
>>
>> ? ? I would punch you or any one of your cohorts in the mouth in a heartbeat.
>> ? ? ? ? Message-ID: <qYidnTur46MLIUjYnZ2dnUVZ_ryln...@comcast.com>
>>
>> ? ? You wouldn't get five seconds out before you would regret it. ?Your
>> ? ? next move would be in the horizontal position, but being carried. ?You
>> ? ? would have a hole in your head to match the one that doesn't ever shut
>> ? ? up now.
>> ? ? ? ? Message-ID: <9740e6c2-7dc1-422e-8700-c11d085ac...@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> --
>> Ray Fischer ? ? ? ?
>> rfisc...@sonic.net ?
>
> and he expects his targets to pay their own way to visit that tacky
> little state.
Dale and I did that, eight years ago, and he's still whining because we
didn't let him know that we'd been there twice in one afternoon. If it's
that important, he'll just have to hike his fat ass down here. (That's a
long-winded way of saying "never".)
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 21, 12:42 pm, Osprey <Ospre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Keegan:
>> A self proclaimed author.
>> Really?
>
>
>> No, not really. He is listed as a co-author, but anyone can be listed
>> as a co-author of a book.
>
> practice to list the head of the lab as a co-author even when that
> head has not even seen the article before it appears in print.
> [...]
>> For someone who claims to be a author and a Graduate studies
>> instructor, you would think that with all the time he has on his hands
>> that he could find better things to do in life rather than sit in
>> alt.abortion just following individuals around and making silly little
>> comments.
>
> by all indications.
> [...]
>> IAAH
> [...]
>> Tom S.
> [...]
>> Elizabeth
> [...]
>> Humphrey
>> Another one who has way too much time on his hands. Busted years ago
>> for stalking at Rice University. He has admitted that the stalking is
>> a factor in his termination. Anyone entering alt.abortion, he is
>> trying to trace them and tries to find out their location, age, and
>> other personal things.
>
> just by looking up the headers in Spartakus's posts, Humphrey could
> pinpoint his location to a second of a degree of the earth's
> circumference--and said it was because Humphrey loves a mystery.
>
> I think it's more a case of Humphrey hating a mystery, and wanting to
> feel that he has power over the other person. I think he even bragged
> once about how he messed up the sidewalk in front of Ralph Taite's
> house--or maybe it was Ralph posted about Hummphrey having done it,
> and Humphrey not denying it. He also threatened in an e-mail to come
> at Suzanne Forgach with a baseball bat before he knew who she was.
You're one sorry SOB, whoever you are...at the time Taite was going cuckoo,
he was at UT, and strongly implied he'd be watching for me at the end of the
annual MS 150 fundraiser, which in that year ended at an office park about
five miles east of the UT campus. He graduated, and as far as I know,
headed home to where his parents were, in a larger metropolitan area in
Texas. As for Forgach, the closest I got to her was probably when Dale and
I made our first trip to LAX, and the westward flight stopped off at Sky
Harbor for a few minutes, one day in 1999.
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 21, 5:09 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> > > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
>> > > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
>> > > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
>> > > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
>> > > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
>> > > > living.
>
>> this version of peter nyikos is far more filled with hate than the
>> original
>
> I do believe Keegan is trying to goad me into recalling some things I
> did in 1992-97 that most people HERE would regard as far more hateful
> fact, I think this is the ONLY reason he is saying something which he
> almost surely knows to be false.
>
> Well...there is one other possibility: Keegan is so self-centered
> that perhaps the only things he considers to be hateful are the
> things that are directed squarely at him--and I HAVE attacked him more
> times since my return than I did the whole time I posted in 1992-97.
> But that is only for the reasons that I outlined in my first post: the
> radical change, both in numbers and quality, of participants in
> talk.abortion. A lot of the time back then, I ignored him because I
> had bigger fish to fry.
>
> A change that I didn't spell out very much is that Keegan, Fischer,
> and Humphrey have become more openly dishonest and hateful than they
> were then. And that is a natural outgrowth of the other things I
> talked about: as Lord Acton put it, "Power tends to corrupt, and
> absolute power corrupts absolutely."
>
> The Cozy Clique is still very far from absolute power here in
> talk.abortion, and one of the reasons I hung around so long after
> posting in November is that I aim to ensure that things stay that way.
>
>>(not dissimilar to osprey) and seemingly unable to control
>> himself. the original woould never in a million years make such a fool
>> of himself.
>
> Don't you ever get tired of telling whoppers, Keegan?
Thanks for confirming you're not Nyikos, or else you're going senile: alt.
groups aren't organized for moderators.
Spartakus
> pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > A year or so later I heard from Mark Pundurs that Keegan's
> > staunchest ally, Kevin Kelly, had departed the abortion
> > newsgroups in disgrace after having "defended the indefensible,"
> Dr. Giggles! I am not sure if you are the liar or this Pundurs fellow
> is. I left T.A. when my first child was born to spend time
> concentrating on what is important, something I expect is beyond
> your ability to understand. I made a posting to that effect. In fact if
> this whole Internet thing didn't confuse you so much you probably
> could find a copy of the posting.
Well, that wouldn't even slow him down - he'd just move on to
misrepresenting other talk.abortion events from the previous century.
It's an unexpected pleasure to see you again, Mr. Kelly. Steve
Methias (spelling?) made a brief appearance, and Malapert tantalized
us with a test posting. But I hope you'll share with us what you know
of what goes on at the Old Mathematicians' Home. :-)
ps - just as there seems to have been several Al Qaeda #3s killed or
captured, there appears to be multiple "staunchest allies" of Keegan.
There can only be *1* staunchest! Somebody's gotta make up his mind
on this.
The Chief Instigator
> On Oct 22, 1:05?pm, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 21, 1:12 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exist> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > > The abortion newsgroups, especially talk.abortion, have undergone some
>> > > is dominated by a cozy little clique centered around Keegan--a person
>> > > who, though he occasionally posts articles having to do with abortion,
>> > > clique member who regularly posts on abortion is "Spartakus", a prize
>> > > jerk who has neither revealed his real name nor what he does for a
>> > > living.
>>
>> > NOT read any of those postings?
>>
>
> You think IAAH is the Chief Idiot Humphrey?
Do you think at all, Blobby? (I have precisely two Internet addresses, and
you know this one. You're not getting the other.)
> Hmm, it's kind of odd when IAAH said "You realize that you're
> perfectly free to, say, NOT read any of those postings?"
>
> That is something the Chief Idiot would say.
Get off your freeway-wide ass and prove it. (You can't, without lying.)
> I'm still very much convinced that IAAH is Adam H.
>
> HOWEVER, it's always possible that the Chief Idiot Humphrey played the
> part of Adam H. and now IAAH. He is well known for his stalking and
> known for getting highly upset when he gets ignored.
Pure Heishman bullshit. There's only 1440 minutes in a day, and you're free
to ignore me...and maybe go back to school and get a reading ability
post-third-grade.
[the rest of Busted Prison Babysitter's meandering, 86ed]