What the So-Called "Pro-Life" Crowd Hide From
Budikka666
"In a recent Gallup poll, only 30 percent of Americans identified
malaria as a "very serious" problem, yet the numbers on the ground
tell a different story. Forty percent of the world's population is at
risk of contracting malaria. There are between 350 and 500 million
diagnosed cases each year, resulting in more than 1 million deaths
annually. It remains the number one killer of children under the age
of five in Africa. For too many people, death by mosquito bite is a
daily menace."
The pedophile "we keep one in every diocese" priest scandal cost the
Catholic church over a billion dollars in the USA. How many mosquito
nets do you think that might have bought?
Budikka
Terik
government give away to big business that could buy nets? How much do you
waste on frivolous things to own that can buy nets...throw stones at
yourself first.. how wasteful is the average American and European--that can
buy nets...get a life!
Budikka666
So you couldn't absolve the hypocrites either, huh?
Budikka
Patrick
+ What hypocrites?
+ How many nets did you buy last month?
Budikka666
Not as many as I could have done had I the wealth of the Catholic
chruch at my disposal.
Budikka
Budikka666
rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
Budikka
Lars Eighner
<1177759297.3...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Budikka666
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
human being. There is nothing Biblical in the thought that whatever a soul
is, it is present at the moment of conception. Aside from the Bible, there
is simply nothing in Christian doctrine against abortion until a couple of
hundred years ago.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 633 days to go.
I knew Bush was a liar before knowing Bush is a liar was cool.
Patrick
+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
the good news to the world. You buy a couple of nets and
impress yourself. Check out the Catholic Relief Services
and see what the RCC does.
Patrick
+ Do they?
+ Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
+ Please don't try to AVOID answering.
+ I know how you pro-deathers can';t come up with reasonable
excuses for killing your own children. The only problem is
that you laugh, and I don't.
+ Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
+ I didn't hear you.
duke
But did you buy any, bud the dud?
duke, American-American
*****
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Patrick
>
> Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
> forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
> prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
> human being.
+ Please provide this reference.
> There is nothing Biblical in the thought that whatever a soul
> is, it is present at the moment of conception. Aside from the Bible, there
> is simply nothing in Christian doctrine against abortion until a couple of
> hundred years ago.
Hippocrates of Cos and the Roman Emperor Augustuswrote against
abortion. . Aristotle wrote that, "[T]he line between lawful and
unlawful abortion will be marked by the fact of having sensation and
being alive."[43] In contrast to their pagan environment, Christians
generally shunned abortion, drawing upon the Bible and early Christian
writings such as the Didache (circa 100 A.D.), which says: "... thou
shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill the infant already
born."[44] Saint Augustine believed that abortion of a fetus animatus,
a fetus with human limbs and shape, was murder. However, his beliefs
on earlier-stage abortion were similar to Aristotle's, [45]
^43...Aristotle, Politics, bk. 7, ch. 6 at 294 (T.A. Sinclair trans.
1962) (325 B.C. or thereabouts).
^44... Didache. (c. AD 70-160). Retrieved June 3, 2006.
^45.... [1]. Retrieved March 11, 2007.
duke
>It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
>rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
>plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
The opposite choice to pro-life is PRO-DEATH.
AMBAN
says...
Hypocrite. Who bought babies rather than have the inconvenience of having his
own children?
AMBAN
>
Robert
Missed the first post, what do you mean by nets.
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Kate
It's not an excuse. How do you excuse killing your own children by
not making it manditory for everyone to donate blood and kidneys if
someone needs it.
It's choice that's required - choice over your own body. Birth is
more dangerous than abortion to the mother.
How do you excuse making it illegal for your own wife to save her own
life?
duke
mosquito nets and why didn't the RCC spend the riches of the world's people to
buy more.
A weird discussion.
Ray Fischer
>On Apr 28, 7:21 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
>> rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
>> plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>>
>> Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
>> the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
>> nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
>> bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
>+ Do they?
Yes.
>+ Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
He was a self-professed Christian, like you.
>+ Please don't try to AVOID answering.
>+ I know how you pro-deathers
As opposed to you pro-liar terrorists?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Apr 27, 6:57 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On Apr 27, 5:14 pm, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 27, 12:42 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Apr 25, 10:09 am, "Terik" <rjes...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > so called prolife? You don't makes sense at all. How much does the
>> > > > government give away to big business that could buy nets? How much do you
>> > > > waste on frivolous things to own that can buy nets...throw stones at
>> > > > yourself first.. how wasteful is the average American and European--that can
>> > > > buy nets...get a life!
>>
>> > > So you couldn't absolve the hypocrites either, huh?
>>
>> > + What hypocrites?
>> > + How many nets did you buy last month?
>>
>> Not as many as I could have done had I the wealth of the Catholic
>> chruch at my disposal.
>
>+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
>cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
>the good news to the world.
Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
victims of child molesters.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Pinch
> On Apr 28, 7:21 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
> > rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
> > plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>
> > Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
> > the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
> > nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
> > bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
> + Do they?
> + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>
> + Please don't try to AVOID answering.
> + I know how you pro-deathers can';t come up with reasonable
> excuses for killing your own children.
I wish you'd stay on topic.
Budikka666
> On Apr 28, 7:21 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
> > rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
> > plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>
> > Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
> > the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
> > nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
> > bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
> + Do they?
That's what the evidence shows. I'm sorry you're blind to the
evidence.
> + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family. I'm sorry you're
blind to the facts, but that's what you get for blindly swallowing
mythology and thinking its real.
> + Please don't try to AVOID answering.
This from the pathetic little coward who **will not** address the
topic of the thread but will make any and every excuse to **avoid**
it? Are you trying for a place in the Guinness Book of Records?
Let's talk about avoidance behavior, shall we?
> + I know how you pro-deathers
I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
I'm against *hypocrites* like you.
I'm against those who claim they're "pro-life" but who do not take
even the simplest steps to safeguard it.
I'm against hypcriites who claim they're pro life but are really pro
white babies and pro subjugation of women.
I'm against hypocrites who insanely attack pregnant women, but who do
absolutely nothing whatsoever to protect real, born children
throughout the world.
I'm against hypocrites who withhold vital sex-education from children.
I'm against hypocrites who frown on condom use and then attack people
who have an abortion - people about whom they know the cube root of
squat.
> can';t come up with reasonable
> excuses for killing your own children.
Thanks for admitting that there are reasonable excuses for abortion -
something which is perfectly legal in the USA where 90% of people
believe there's a god, and almost 80% of them accept that there really
was a Jesus who was purportedly the son of this god.
> The only problem is
> that you laugh, and I don't.
That much is patently obvious.
> + Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
> + I didn't hear you.
That's because you're too stupid to hear rational things, Pro Moron.
Budikka
Budikka666
> On Apr 27, 6:57 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 5:14 pm, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 27, 12:42 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 25, 10:09 am, "Terik" <rjes...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > so called prolife? You don't makes sense at all. How much does the
> > > > > government give away to big business that could buy nets? How much do you
> > > > > waste on frivolous things to own that can buy nets...throw stones at
> > > > > yourself first.. how wasteful is the average American and European--that can
> > > > > buy nets...get a life!
>
> > > > So you couldn't absolve the hypocrites either, huh?
>
> > > + What hypocrites?
> > > + How many nets did you buy last month?
>
> > Not as many as I could have done had I the wealth of the Catholic
> > chruch at my disposal.
>
> + The church thinks that money can be used better in other
> cases
Thanks for admitting that the chruch is pro death you fundamental
idiot! LoL!
Budikka
Patrick
> On 28 Apr 2007 06:15:29 -0700, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
> >> Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
> >> the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
> >> nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
> >> bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
> >+ Do they?
> >+ Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>
> >+ Please don't try to AVOID answering.
> >+ I know how you pro-deathers can';t come up with reasonable
> >excuses for killing your own children. The only problem is
> >that you laugh, and I don't.
> >+ Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
> >+ I didn't hear you.
>
> It's not an excuse. How do you excuse killing your own children by
> not making it manditory for everyone to donate blood and kidneys if
> someone needs it.
+ How many people die because of a lack of blood in the blood bank?
+ How many children have been murdered by their OWN mothers
since Roe v Wade? The answer is 40 Million LIVES.
> It's choice that's required - choice over your own body. Birth is
> more dangerous than abortion to the mother.
+ So is overeating. Over drinking. Over-drugging.
+ Murdering your own child should not be allowed merely
for the convenience of the mother. Why murder an innocent
merely because someone feels it is inconvenient?
> How do you excuse making it illegal for your own wife to save her own
> life?-
+ I don't.
+ ABortion merely for the convenience of the mother is murder.
Kate
>On Apr 28, 1:37 pm, cob...@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
>> On 28 Apr 2007 06:15:29 -0700, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
>> >> the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
>> >> nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
>> >> bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>>
>> >+ Do they?
>> >+ Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>>
>> >+ Please don't try to AVOID answering.
>> >+ I know how you pro-deathers can';t come up with reasonable
>> >excuses for killing your own children. The only problem is
>> >that you laugh, and I don't.
>> >+ Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
>> >+ I didn't hear you.
>>
>> It's not an excuse. How do you excuse killing your own children by
>> not making it manditory for everyone to donate blood and kidneys if
>> someone needs it.
>
>+ How many people die because of a lack of blood in the blood bank?
>+ How many children have been murdered by their OWN mothers
>since Roe v Wade? The answer is 40 Million LIVES.
How many die due to lack of a kidney? - you have no excuse for not
donating yours or your bone marrow.
Almost all birth control is based on abortion. All effective ones
are. How many mothers died because they were pregnant - more than 40
million. Before birth control, women were more likely than not died
because of a birth.
If your wife used the pill, she most likely committed an abortion. If
your wife used a sponge or an IUD, she did commit an abortion.
Don't have a wife? Gee I wonder why?
>
>
>> It's choice that's required - choice over your own body. Birth is
>> more dangerous than abortion to the mother.
>
>+ So is overeating. Over drinking. Over-drugging.
And none are forced are they?
>+ Murdering your own child should not be allowed merely
>for the convenience of the mother. Why murder an innocent
>merely because someone feels it is inconvenient?
I'm sorry you think a woman's reguard for her own life is just
convience. Why do you hate women?
>
>
>> How do you excuse making it illegal for your own wife to save her own
>> life?-
>
>+ I don't.
>+ ABortion merely for the convenience of the mother is murder.
Sorry, I'm more important than a fetus. You want to die for a fetus,
we will be happy to implant them all in you and see if you live
through it.
Don't like the idea of spending your life forever more as a fetus
incubator? Well they are more important than your convience.
AMBAN
says...
Ask yourself why you continued your intrinsically disordered behavior for your
own convenience. Sinner that the sin can never be made ordered.
AMBAN
Patrick
> On Apr 28, 8:15 am, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
> > > It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
> > > rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
> > > plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>
> > > Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
> > > the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
> > > nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
> > > bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
> > + Do they?
>
> That's what the evidence shows. I'm sorry you're blind to the
> evidence.
+ Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
category.
If this were so, it would seem that the doctor killers fall closer
to your group of pro-choicers. After all, they are selecting the
choice to kill.
> > + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>
> Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
> hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
+ SO?
+ Weren't you?
> I'm sorry you're
> blind to the facts, but that's what you get for blindly swallowing
> mythology and thinking its real.
+ Mythology and pro-life are not exactly equal.
+ Many atheists are pro-life.
> > + Please don't try to AVOID answering.
>
> This from the pathetic little coward who **will not** address the
> topic of the thread but will make any and every excuse to **avoid**
> it? Are you trying for a place in the Guinness Book of Records?
> Let's talk about avoidance behavior, shall we?
+ OK.
+ You first.
> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>
> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
> pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
anyone
has the right to decide life and death over another. This includes
any
woman who carries life in her body.
> I'm against *hypocrites* like you.
+ That is easy for you to say.
+ You make outrageous claims.
+ I certainly can do the same.
+ and then... you call me a hypocrite.
+ Who really is the hypocrite here?
> I'm against those who claim they're "pro-life" but who do not take
> even the simplest steps to safeguard it.
+ It is called: "One step at a time."
+ We can't stop you from murdering convicts when we can't
stop you from murdering your own parents or your children.
> I'm against hypcriites who claim they're pro life but are really pro
> white babies and pro subjugation of women.
+ Oh stop it.
+ WHo is making shit up now?
+ Are you pro-black baby and pro-superiority of all women?
> I'm against hypocrites who insanely attack pregnant women, but who do
> absolutely nothing whatsoever to protect real, born children
> throughout the world.
+ It is called: "One step at a time."
+ We can't save babies in Somalia if we can't even save babies
in our own country. We have killed 40 million babies since Roe v
wade.
> I'm against hypocrites who withhold vital sex-education from children.
+ Vital?
+ Vital for who?
+ Whose job is it to raise and educate our kids?
+ The public school system?
> I'm against hypocrites who frown on condom use and then attack people
> who have an abortion - people about whom they know the cube root of
> squat.
+ You don't hand out condoms to stop AIDS.
+ You don't give people sunglasses just because
they voluntarily stare directly into the sun for months.
+ As for knowing why abortions take place in this country,
there are plenty of statistics that show the reasons. Well over
90 percent of all abortions take place for the convenience of the
women.
> > can';t come up with reasonable
> > excuses for killing your own children.
>
> Thanks for admitting that there are reasonable excuses for abortion -
+ Of course there is.
+ I am pro-life.
+ If a fetus is causing life-threatening problems to
the mother, then the decision should be made between
the mother, father, doctor, and their God.
+ NOT YOU!
+ And certainly not the courts.
> something which is perfectly legal in the USA where 90% of people
> believe there's a god, and almost 80% of them accept that there really
> was a Jesus who was purportedly the son of this god.
>
> > The only problem is
> > that you laugh, and I don't.
>
> That much is patently obvious.
+ You enjoy laughing at death?
+ At hypocrites like yourself?
> > + Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
> > + I didn't hear you.
>
> That's because you're too stupid to hear rational things, Pro Moron.
+ I am not pro-you.
Patrick
> Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
> >> Not as many as I could have done had I the wealth of the Catholic
> >> chruch at my disposal.
>
> >+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
> >cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
> >the good news to the world.
>
> Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
> victims of child molesters.
+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
+ WHo pays for new churches?
+ Do you actually think the RCC pays for them?
+ As for victims, that money comes directly out of sales
of properties that have been willed to the RCC. Each diocese
has a financial plan, a budget on where to spend monies
given to them. Why not look up a diocese budget. They are
not secret. You might get inspired.
AMBAN
Oh he did. He chose not to have natural children because of a genetic problem.
Instead he chose convience and bought his children over seas. From the point of
view of his church he committed a sin. He is a hypocrite when it comes to
abortion.
AMBAN
Ray Fischer
>> > > It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
>> > > rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
>> > > plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>>
>> > > Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
>> > > the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
>> > > nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
>> > > bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>>
>> > + Do they?
>>
>> That's what the evidence shows. I'm sorry you're blind to the
>> evidence.
>
>+ Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
>not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
>category.
We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
is that you're lazier.
>> > + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>>
>> Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
>> hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
>
>+ SO?
>+ Weren't you?
Aren't you?
>> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>>
>> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
>> pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>
>+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
>anyone
>has the right to decide life and death over another.
Except for you, of course.
You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>> >> Not as many as I could have done had I the wealth of the Catholic
>> >> chruch at my disposal.
>>
>> >+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
>> >cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
>> >the good news to the world.
>>
>> Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>> victims of child molesters.
>
>+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>human being.
Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
have loved you. John 13:34.
Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
DanielSan
> On 28 Apr 2007 11:40:37 GMT, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>>human being.
>
>
> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
> have loved you. John 13:34.
>
> Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
Dog fetuses do.
>
> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
So, you'd rather unloved beings come into the world?
Nice.
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duke
>It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
>rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
>plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>
>Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
>the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
>nothing to say.
That's because abortion **IS** a moral failure of the religious nature, bud the
dud.
DanielSan
> On 28 Apr 2007 04:21:37 -0700, Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>>It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
>>rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
>>plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>>
>>Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
>>the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
>>nothing to say.
>
>
> That's because abortion **IS** a moral failure of the religious nature, bud the
> dud.
Just as it's a moral failure of a religious nature to teach kids to hate
other kids because of what those "other kids" are or represent.
I don't see you doing anything about that, duke the puke, except
exasperate it.
duke
>>+ Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
>>not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
>>category.
>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>is that you're lazier.
God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>>> > + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>>> Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
>>> hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
he committed 34 mortal sins.
>You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
When? If you're pro-life, pro-choice means you pro-death.
DanielSan
> On 29 Apr 2007 17:35:47 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>>>+ Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
>>>not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
>>>category.
>
>
>>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>>is that you're lazier.
>
>
> God said abortion is a mortal sin.
Where?
>
>
>>>>>+ Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>>>>
>>>>Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
>>>>hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
>
>
> But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
> cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
> he committed 34 mortal sins.
No, he wasn't.
>
>
>>You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>
>
> When? If you're pro-life, pro-choice means you pro-death.
Right. That's why I don't exist, right? I'm a product of a pro-choice
mother.
Lars Eighner
<1ou933lgr0ums4ktm...@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented duke
broadcast on alt.atheism:
> On 28 Apr 2007 11:40:37 GMT, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>>human being.
> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
> have loved you. John 13:34.
It doesn't say a fetus is a person. Nowhere in the bible does it say that a
fetus is a person, and Ex 21:22 makes it pretty clear, killing a fetus is
not murder.
> Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
The real world is about what is, not what things might become.
> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
Like if a woman takes off her burka. Oooh! You nutcases are so scary.
Not.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 631 days to go.
I knew Bush was a liar before knowing Bush is a liar was cool.
duke
>>+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
>>cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
>>the good news to the world.
>Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>victims of child molesters.
ONly from the dioceses in question. The rest are untouched.
duke
>>> Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>>> victims of child molesters.
>>+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
>How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
Ask those so happy to get the cash for their fabrications.
DanielSan
> On 28 Apr 2007 18:49:32 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>>>+ The church thinks that money can be used better in other
>>>cases, like feeding the sick, caring for the poor, spreading
>>>the good news to the world.
>
>
>>Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>>victims of child molesters.
>
>
> ONly from the dioceses in question. The rest are untouched.
I submit to you, duke, that God does not need dioceses, churches, or any
other place of worship. God can hear you whether you're in a church or
in your closet.
The money spent on building these gigantic churches could be better used
in feeding the hunger, caring for the sick, etc. You know, Jesus type
stuff?
But, then again, Benny Hinn NEEDS a Caribbean vacation every so often...
duke
>Thanks for admitting that the chruch is pro death you fundamental
>idiot! LoL!
>Budikka
Oh, bud the dud - there's just no telling what you stupidity you will come up
with as toilet cleaner swishes thru your arteries and veins.
DanielSan
> On 29 Apr 2007 17:36:27 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>>>>Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>>>>victims of child molesters.
>>>
>>>+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
>
>
>>How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
>
>
> Ask those so happy to get the cash for their fabrications.
They can certainly build other structures instead of churches. You see,
duke, if the church helped out to the tune of $100,000,000 (the figure
given), then the fabricators could build housing for those that are
homeless, for example.
They don't NEED to build churches.
CE
> They can certainly build other structures instead of churches. You see,
> duke, if the church helped out to the tune of $100,000,000 (the figure
> given), then the fabricators could build housing for those that are
> homeless, for example.
>
> They don't NEED to build churches.
Actually, they do.
Building up the church by spreading the Good News is the fundamental
mission of every Catholic because Jesus has said,"Make disciples of
all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have
commanded you."
The construction of church buildings is a key strategy in fulfilling
that mission. Church buildings, by their distinctive designs, allow
people to notice them right away and to know that inside that building
can be found the teachings of Jesus Christ. The buildings keep out the
rain, snow, wind and other inclement weather and noise, allowing
people to worship and follow the Scripture readings.
When the church buildings are not being used for religious services,
they often serve as useful meeting places for community groups. People
being persecuted have been known to seek out church buildings to find
refuge. I've personally met a homeless man who was sheltered in a
church building for a while. Since church buildings are used by a
large number of people who would not otherwise meet regularly, they
have been and are still used to help out food banks by acting as drop-
off locations where the faithful can bring food or other goods for the
poor.
You mentionned the need to construct other types of buildings,
including homes for the homeless. Through its social justice groups,
the church does help meet the many needs of the poorest in our society
- often when no-one else will. The church can accomplish much of this
work because it has foreseen that it will need buildings and an
organizational structure to function most effectively in helping
others and fulfilling its mission. That's why it's common to see
hospitals, schools and homeless shelters that were built and operated
by the church. There are also Catholic agencies working to help the
poor with their day-to-day needs, including their need for shelter. By
that, I don't just mean shelters. The Catholic church is involved in
the construction of houses for needy people as well.
You seem to resent the money spent to build church buildings but
that's a short-sighted view. The Catholic church has taken the longer
view: it helps out the poor now and also works to put things into
place to continue to be able to help them in the future.
duke
>> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>> have loved you. John 13:34.
>It doesn't say a fetus is a person. Nowhere in the bible does it say that a
>fetus is a person, and Ex 21:22 makes it pretty clear, killing a fetus is
>not murder.
A person??? It's guaranteed that he fetus is human life.
No dog comes out of a woman - ONLY a human being.
>> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>Like if a woman takes off her burka. Oooh! You nutcases are so scary.
>Not.
It's your funeral.
duke
>> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>> have loved you. John 13:34.
>> Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>Dog fetuses do.
Not out of the human person that's a woman.
>> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>So, you'd rather unloved beings come into the world?
Yep. It's better than killing them.
duke
>>>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>>>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>>>is that you're lazier.
>> God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>Where?
John 13:34.
>> But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>> cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
>> he committed 34 mortal sins.
>No, he wasn't.
Sure, dumbass.
duke
>> That's because abortion **IS** a moral failure of the religious nature, bud the
>> dud.
>Just as it's a moral failure of a religious nature to teach kids to hate
>other kids because of what those "other kids" are or represent.
>I don't see you doing anything about that, duke the puke, except
>exasperate it.
I believe in God, bud the dud. And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
DanielSan
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:13:25 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>>>have loved you. John 13:34.
>>>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>>
>>Dog fetuses do.
>
>
> Not out of the human person that's a woman.
Then please be specific.
>
>
>>>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>>
>>So, you'd rather unloved beings come into the world?
>
>
> Yep. It's better than killing them.
So, you're for the protection of unborn fetuses and against the
protection of already born human beings?
DanielSan
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:26:51 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>>>>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>>>>is that you're lazier.
>
>
>>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>>
>>Where?
>
>
> John 13:34.
Sorry, but that doesn't mention abortion. Got another one?
>
>
>>>But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>>cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
>>>he committed 34 mortal sins.
>>
>>No, he wasn't.
>
>
> Sure, dumbass.
He wasn't a mass murdering atheist, dumbass.
DanielSan
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:20:56 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>That's because abortion **IS** a moral failure of the religious nature, bud the
>>>dud.
>>
>>Just as it's a moral failure of a religious nature to teach kids to hate
>>other kids because of what those "other kids" are or represent.
>>I don't see you doing anything about that, duke the puke, except
>>exasperate it.
>
>
> I believe in God, bud the dud.
That's your problem.
> And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
> getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
wagging who's tail here?
Paul Duca
duckg...@cox.net wrote on 4/29/07 4:10 PM:
> On 28 Apr 2007 11:40:37 GMT, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>> forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>> prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>> human being.
>
> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
> have loved you. John 13:34.
>
> Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>
> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>
>
Someplace that CAN'T be that much worse than Duke's Heaven...
Paul
Paul Duca
duckg...@cox.net wrote on 4/29/07 6:21 PM:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:13:25 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as
>>> I
>>> have loved you. John 13:34.
>>> Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>> Dog fetuses do.
>
> Not out of the human person that's a woman.
>
>>> You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>> So, you'd rather unloved beings come into the world?
>
> Yep. It's better than killing them.
>
>
As long as Duke doesn't have to love them (but they have to love
HIM, per his definition of Catholicism).
Paul
Ray Fischer
> Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>>human being.
>
>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>have loved you. John 13:34.
Try it sometime instead of spewing your arrogance and hate at people.
>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
Neither do human sperm.
>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
You don't speak for God, you corrupt fanatic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>+ Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
>>>not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
>>>category.
>
>>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>>is that you're lazier.
>
>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>>>> > + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>>>> Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
>>>> hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
>
>But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>cold blood then committed suicide.
You damn yourself to hell with such lies.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>> Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
>>>> victims of child molesters.
>>>+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
>
>>How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
>
>Ask those so happy to get the cash for their fabrications.
About half of the world's people live on $1 a day or less. Every day
over ten thousand people, mostly children, die of hunger for want of
$20/month worth of food and clean water.
That cathedral could have kept 5,000,000 children alive for a month.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>>We see the irraiotnal hate the comes from almost all abortion
>>>>opponents. The only difference between you and the like of Pual Hill
>>>>is that you're lazier.
>
>>> God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>>Where?
>
>John 13:34.
That passage shows that you're doomed to go to hell when you die.
It says nothing at all about abortion.
>>> But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>> cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
>>> he committed 34 mortal sins.
>>No, he wasn't.
>
>Sure, dumbass.
Lying about people is a mortal sin. That means that you're an atheist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
>>>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>>>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>>>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>>>human being.
>>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>>have loved you. John 13:34.
>Try it sometime instead of spewing your arrogance and hate at people.
What arrogance? What hatred? That comes from you atheists. I'm just trying
to help you. But you atheists say the most stupid things.
You just don't like the truth.
>>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>Neither do human sperm.
But the sperm and the egg DO become a human fetus when "joined", and not a dog..
>>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>You don't speak for God, you corrupt fanatic.
That's what God said, atheist.
Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
one's comfort and convenience. Definitely contrary to John 13:34.
duke
>>>> God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>>>Where?
>>John 13:34.
>That passage shows that you're doomed to go to hell when you die.
>It says nothing at all about abortion.
That passage clearly shows we are called to love of one another, not to butcher
one another.
Maybe you can explain to your audience how you think that butchering your own
unborn for your own comfort and convenience is a loving act.
>>>> But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>>> cold blood then committed suicide. Including harboring feelings of mass rage,
>>>> he committed 34 mortal sins.
>>>No, he wasn't.
>>Sure, dumbass.
>Lying about people is a mortal sin. That means that you're an atheist.
I'm not lying about hui. He was a human disaster of an atheist.
Only God knows his status now.
duke
>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
Not John 13:34, turkey.
>>But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>cold blood then committed suicide.
>You damn yourself to hell with such lies.
A lie??? The worst case of known mass murder in American history is a lie?
You're starting to operate on the mental level of people like peeping tom duca
and his kind.
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>>Actually, "blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible" would be a step
>>>>forward on this issue because there simply nothing in the Bible that
>>>>prohibits abortion, and plenty of scripture that indicates a fetus is not a
>>>>human being.
>
>>>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>>>have loved you. John 13:34.
>
>>Try it sometime instead of spewing your arrogance and hate at people.
>
>What arrogance?
Your believe that you know better than everybody else.
> What hatred?
Your hatred of women, gays, and everybody who doesn't follow your
cult.
> That comes from you atheists.
There's that arrogance. You feel free to lie about anybody you don't
like.
> I'm just trying
>to help you.
You're not capable of helping me. You haven't the brains or the
morals.
>>>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>>Neither do human sperm.
>
>But the sperm and the egg DO become a human fetus when "joined", and not a dog..
Thus, human sperm is human being, according to your "logic".
>>>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>>You don't speak for God, you corrupt fanatic.
>
>That's what God said,
You are a liar.
>Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
There's that seething hatred again.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 30 Apr 2007 05:07:59 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>
>>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>
>Not John 13:34, turkey.
I didn't say it did, moron. You lied. Cope.
>>>But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>>cold blood then committed suicide.
>>You damn yourself to hell with such lies.
>
>A lie???
Yours.
> The worst case of known mass murder in American history is a lie?
No, idiot. Your claim that he was an atheist is a lie.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
>>>>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>>>>have loved you. John 13:34.
>>>Try it sometime instead of spewing your arrogance and hate at people.
>>What arrogance?
>Your believe that you know better than everybody else.
I know John 13:34 as descriptive of Christians, and you didn't.
>> What hatred?
>Your hatred of women, gays, and everybody who doesn't follow your
>cult.
Sorry, I don't hate anyone.
>> That comes from you atheists.
>There's that arrogance. You feel free to lie about anybody you don't
>like.
No, not at all. That's the way you atheists characterize yourselves. Don't
blame me for acknowledging your shortcomings to you.
>> I'm just trying to help you.
>You're not capable of helping me. You haven't the brains or the
>morals.
Good, then you intend to become a Christian?
>>>>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>>>Neither do human sperm.
>>But the sperm and the egg DO become a human fetus when "joined", and not a dog..
>Thus, human sperm is human being, according to your "logic".
No, when human sperm and a human egg join, then we have the beginning of a human
person.
>>>>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>>>You don't speak for God, you corrupt fanatic.
>>That's what God said,
>You are a liar.
Uh, no I'm not. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
>>Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
>There's that seething hatred again.
There's that truth from me again. Murder is a one way ticket to hell, and
abortion is basically murder of one's unborn for one's comfort and convenience.
duke
>>>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>>>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>>Not John 13:34, turkey.
>I didn't say it did, moron. You lied. Cope.
Abortion is the opposite of loving one another as Jesus loves us.
>>>>But he himself was a mass murdering atheist who killed 32 innocent people in
>>>>cold blood then committed suicide.
>>>You damn yourself to hell with such lies.
>>A lie???
>Yours.
No lie on my part. You're the one playing with the abortion fire, not me.
>> The worst case of known mass murder in American history is a lie?
>No, idiot. Your claim that he was an atheist is a lie.
His actions describe his beliefs - an atheist. See John 13:34.
Patrick
> >> Cho was from a devout Christian family.
> >+ SO?
> >+ Weren't you?
>
> Aren't you?
>
> >> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>
> >> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
> >> pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>
> >+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
> >anyone has the right to decide life and death over another.
>
> Except for you, of course.
>
> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
+ No, I don't.
+ Since less than one percent of pregnant women
get an abortion because of medical resons, this would
be accepable by everyone - especially if the principal
actors are the mother, the father, the doctor, and their
God. Congress has no say so. You have no say so.
Neither do I.
+ However, when you pro-deathers force me as a taxpayer
to pay for abortions of some lazy pig mother who finds
it inconvenient to bear a child but is too lazy to take her
death control pill, then I have a say.
Patrick
> Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
> >> Spending $100,000,000 on cathedrals and as much on paying off the
> >> victims of child molesters.
>
> >+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
>
> How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
+ You first, bw.
Patrick
>
> They can certainly build other structures instead of churches. You see,
> duke, if the church helped out to the tune of $100,000,000 (the figure
> given), then the fabricators could build housing for those that are
> homeless, for example.
>
> They don't NEED to build churches.
+ Why?
+ You aren't paying for them.
Budikka666
> On Apr 28, 8:05 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 8:15 am, Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
> > > > It's really quite amazing how the anti-choicers consistently fail to
> > > > rebut the argument, and go out of their way to dig up any one of a
> > > > plethora of stock avoidance tactics.
>
> > > > Laughable. Take blind adherence to the so-called Holy Bible out of
> > > > the equation, strip the emotion from it, and they have nowhere to go,
> > > > nothing to say. I guess that's why these "pro-lifers" shoot doctors,
> > > > bomb women's clinics, and support the death penalty.
>
> > > + Do they?
>
> > That's what the evidence shows. I'm sorry you're blind to the
> > evidence.
>
> + Just because some irrational person kills another, this does
> not subject him to falling into a "pro-lifer" or "pro-choicer"
> category.
How convenient that you can move the goalposts as soon as it gets too
tough for you. How convenient that you can miraculously label a
murder as "not pro-life" as soon as he blows up a women's clinic, or
shoots a doctor, when he espouses precisely the same opposition to
women being in control of their own bodies as you do.
> If this were so, it would seem that the doctor killers fall closer
> to your group of pro-choicers. After all, they are selecting the
> choice to kill.
In order to pursue this claim of yours, you are going to have to:
1. Demonstrate that you are qualified to determine what life is
and
2. Demonstrate what life is
and
3. Demonstrate why *you* should control 50% of the planet's
population.
Then you'll have to learn that your Bible doesn't agree with you and
actually places a much lower premium on life than any atheist does.
> > > + Was cho a pro-lifer? Or was he like you?
>
> > Great example of turning the other cheek you pathetic little
> > hypocrite. Cho was from a devout Christian family.
>
> + SO?
So your pathetic attempt at whatever it was you were attempting has
fallen flat on its face. Duhh!
> + Weren't you?
It's entirely immaterial what the religion affiliation is of me or my
parents. Now, are there any *other* ways you want to demonstrate your
ability to dance around the topic instead of actually addressing it
(talking of avoidance)?
> > I'm sorry you're
> > blind to the facts, but that's what you get for blindly swallowing
> > mythology and thinking its real.
>
> + Mythology and pro-life are not exactly equal.
They are when your only "support" for your position is a hypocritical
claim that your god is pro-life! LoL!
> + Many atheists are pro-life.
That's because atheists actually *have* free will.
> > > + Please don't try to AVOID answering.
>
> > This from the pathetic little coward who **will not** address the
> > topic of the thread but will make any and every excuse to **avoid**
> > it? Are you trying for a place in the Guinness Book of Records?
> > Let's talk about avoidance behavior, shall we?
>
> + OK.
> + You first.
Why are you so desperately avoiding addressing the chruch's inability
to save sixty million children's lives? These are real children, not
a cell, not a zygote, not an embryo, not a fetus, but an actual born-
live child, and your chruch is letting them die for the sake of $10
each.
Why are you avoiding *that*?
> > > + I know how you pro-deathers
>
> > I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
> > pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>
> + This is where you and I really disagree.
Oh no, we disagree on a much more fundamental level than you can begin
to grasp.
> I do not believe that
> anyone
> has the right to decide life and death over another.
Yet here you are pontificating about what women must and must not do.
That's why you're a hypocrite.
> This includes
> any
> woman who carries life in her body.
Again, you haven't defined life or why *you* are the one who gets to
say what it is and why *you* should be in control of fifty percent of
Earth's inhabitants.
> > I'm against *hypocrites* like you.
>
> + That is easy for you to say.
Damn straight.
> + You make outrageous claims.
No, that's entirely your preserve.
> + I certainly can do the same.
You've proven that.
> + and then... you call me a hypocrite.
Yes you are. *I've* proven that. And it's going to be proven again
before we're done with this message of yours.
> + Who really is the hypocrite here?
Which part of "you" is it that's beyond your reading grade?
> > I'm against those who claim they're "pro-life" but who do not take
> > even the simplest steps to safeguard it.
>
> + It is called: "One step at a time."
So you pro-lifers are prepared to sit around and let literally SIXTY
MILLION children die while all you do is complain that (so you say) 40
million children have died?
> + We can't stop you from murdering convicts when we can't
> stop you from murdering your own parents or your children.
LIAR.
> > I'm against hypcriites who claim they're pro life but are really pro
> > white babies and pro subjugation of women.
>
> + Oh stop it.
You'd like that, wouldn't you? You'd love it for people like me to
get out of your way while you dictate to women what they do and think
and while you spread your appalling lies and hypocrisy across the
globe, wouldn't you?
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WHILE I DRAW BREATH.
> + WHo is making shit up now?
Which part of "you" is it that's beyond your reading grade?
> + Are you pro-black baby and pro-superiority of all women?
I'm against hypocrites like you who are going to end up forcing the
minorities, and the underprivileged and the economically disadvantaged
and the poorly educated into slavery.
> > I'm against hypocrites who insanely attack pregnant women, but who do
> > absolutely nothing whatsoever to protect real, born children
> > throughout the world.
>
> + It is called: "One step at a time."
Again, so you pro-lifers are prepared to sit around and let literally
SIXTY MILLION children die while all you do is complain that (so you
say) 40 million children have died?
> + We can't save babies in Somalia if we can't even save babies
> in our own country. We have killed 40 million babies since Roe v
> wade.
And yet you and your ilk won't lift a finger to help the SIXTY MILLION
who have died in Africa over that same time period. SIXTY MILLION
REAL CHILDREN - not cells, not zygotes, not embryos, not fetuses, but
actual, real born-live children that would still be alive if the
Catholic chruch had sent them $10 each for mosquito nets or medicine.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE A PATHETIC LITTLE HYPOCRITE. GET IT NOW, MORON?
> > I'm against hypocrites who withhold vital sex-education from children.
>
> + Vital?
> + Vital for who?
For those who don't want to get pregnant Dimwit. Duhh!
> + Whose job is it to raise and educate our kids?
Society's - or society pays. Did you think we should leave something
as critical as that to a lying cowardly hypocrite like you?
> + The public school system?
Whatever works.
> > I'm against hypocrites who frown on condom use and then attack people
> > who have an abortion - people about whom they know the cube root of
> > squat.
>
> + You don't hand out condoms to stop AIDS.
So condoms don't prevent AIDS? LoL! Are you now going to argue that
there's no such thing as HIV?
> + You don't give people sunglasses just because
> they voluntarily stare directly into the sun for months.
Obviously you don't. You'd rather make them pay. Great christian
viewpoint you have there!
> + As for knowing why abortions take place in this country,
> there are plenty of statistics that show the reasons. Well over
> 90 percent of all abortions take place for the convenience of the
> women.
LIAR.
> > > can';t come up with reasonable
> > > excuses for killing your own children.
>
> > Thanks for admitting that there are reasonable excuses for abortion -
>
> + Of course there is.
> + I am pro-life.
> + If a fetus is causing life-threatening problems to
> the mother, then the decision should be made between
> the mother, father, doctor, and their God.
>
> + NOT YOU!
That's got you a nomination. For hypocrisy. Here *you* are,
dictating what women should do, how they should live, how they should
feel, how they should think, what they should do with their lives and
you have the flaming hypocrisy to suggest *I* want to control them?
Just how much more pathetic can you get? On your record so far, I'm
guessing you've not reached rock bottom yet.
> + And certainly not the courts.
If that's what it takes to keep your filthy hands off women, then
yes. Otherwise, you're advocating rape, aren't you?
> > something which is perfectly legal in the USA where 90% of people
> > believe there's a god, and almost 80% of them accept that there really
> > was a Jesus who was purportedly the son of this god.
>
> > > The only problem is
> > > that you laugh, and I don't.
>
> > That much is patently obvious.
>
> + You enjoy laughing at death?
> + At hypocrites like yourself?
At hypocrites like you who just plain lie and think they can get away
with it. Lies might be the currency in your chruch and your favorite
religious news goup, but they don't fly in a.a.
Only 5% of American adults would actually outright ban abortion.
You'e in the tiny minority, Dimwit.
> > > + Where do you plan to go from here, pro-deather?
> > > + I didn't hear you.
>
> > That's because you're too stupid to hear rational things, Pro Moron.
>
> + I am not pro-you.
I'm relieved to hear that. The last person I want on my team is a
lying, cowardly, hypocritical jerk like you.
Now shall we get back to addresisng the topic of this thread, or do
you have yet more lies and straw men to toss out first?
Budikka
Budikka666
> duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On 30 Apr 2007 05:07:59 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> >>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
Hos 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
2Ki 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and
the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him,
therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child
he ripped up."
Clearly Yahweh delights in killing children or allowing them to be
killed. And he just loves to demand child sacrifices.
Budikka
Budikka666
>
> >>>That's because abortion **IS** a moral failure of the religious nature, bud the
> >>>dud.
>
> >>Just as it's a moral failure of a religious nature to teach kids to hate
> >>other kids because of what those "other kids" are or represent.
> >>I don't see you doing anything about that, duke the puke, except
> >>exasperate it.
>
> > I believe in God, bud the dud.
>
> That's your problem.
>
> > And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
> > getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
>
> Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
> wagging who's tail here?
He's just beside himself with grief because I refuse to talk to him
until he gets down on his cowardly, lying, hypocritical knees and begs
for forgiveness for his sins.
Budikka
Budikka666
> On Apr 29, 7:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > They can certainly build other structures instead of churches. You see,
> > duke, if the church helped out to the tune of $100,000,000 (the figure
> > given), then the fabricators could build housing for those that are
> > homeless, for example.
>
> > They don't NEED to build churches.
>
>
> Building up the church by spreading the Good News is the fundamental
> mission of every Catholic because Jesus has said,"Make disciples of
> all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
> and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have
> commanded you."
Why is the fact that there's a LIAR on the loose not a surprise?
Mat 15:24 "But [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the
lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Mat 10:5,6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them,
saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house
of Israel."
So either Jesus lied or you lied. Which is it?
Budikka
duke
>> >>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>Hos 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
>against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
>dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
>2Ki 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and
>the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him,
>therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child
>he ripped up."
>Clearly Yahweh delights in killing children or allowing them to be
>killed. And he just loves to demand child sacrifices.
Jewish war stories. The Christian God loves all.
duke
>> I believe in God, bud the dud.
>That's your problem.
Not for me. Not believing in God is definitely a problem of eternal
ramifications for you, though.
>> And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
>> getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
>Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
>wagging who's tail here?
No, I don't. I just keep hanging the truth about her wagging tongue thru
others.
CE
What is the "lie" you think you've found?
Paul Duca
duckg...@cox.net wrote on 4/30/07 6:49 PM:
> On 30 Apr 2007 14:23:44 -0700, Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>> God said abortion is a mortal sin.
>> Hos 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
>> against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
>> dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
>> 2Ki 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and
>> the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him,
>> therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child
>> he ripped up."
>
>> Clearly Yahweh delights in killing children or allowing them to be
>> killed. And he just loves to demand child sacrifices.
>
> Jewish war stories. The Christian God loves all.
>
That's good only if it were of any use...
Paul
Ray Fischer
>On 30 Apr 2007 17:30:50 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>>>Well, Jsus stated: I give you a new command - that you love one another as I
>>>>>have loved you. John 13:34.
>>>>Try it sometime instead of spewing your arrogance and hate at people.
>>>What arrogance?
>>Your believe that you know better than everybody else.
>
>I know John 13:34 as descriptive of Christians, and you didn't.
I know that your hate proves you to be a liar. And your wish to make
women suffer proves that you really do NOT do as Jesus commanded.
>>> That comes from you atheists.
>>There's that arrogance. You feel free to lie about anybody you don't
>>like.
>
>No, not at all.
You're a liar.
> That's the way you atheists characterize yourselves.
There's that lie again.
>>>>>Remember, the fetus does not become a dog.
>>>>Neither do human sperm.
>>>But the sperm and the egg DO become a human fetus when "joined", and not a dog..
>>Thus, human sperm is human being, according to your "logic".
>
>No, when human sperm and a human egg join,
and is born alive.
> then we have the beginning of a human
>person.
>>>>>You participate in an unrepentant abortion, you're booked to go.
>>>>You don't speak for God, you corrupt fanatic.
>>>That's what God said,
>>You are a liar.
>
>Uh, no I'm not. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
That's another lie.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 30 Apr 2007 17:32:00 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>>>>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>>>Not John 13:34, turkey.
>>I didn't say it did, moron. You lied. Cope.
>
>Abortion is the
Stop lying, puke.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Apr 29, 1:35 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>> >> Cho was from a devout Christian family.
>
>> >+ SO?
>> >+ Weren't you?
>>
>> Aren't you?
>>
>> >> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>>
>> >> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky
>> >> pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>>
>> >+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
>> >anyone has the right to decide life and death over another.
>>
>> Except for you, of course.
>>
>> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>
>+ No, I don't.
Of course you do. You demand that pregannt women be forced
to give birth, even though women will die as a result.
>+ Since less than one percent of pregnant women
>get an abortion because of medical resons, this would
Even with abortion being legal, childbirth kills several hundred women
each year in the US.
>+ However, when you pro-deathers
As opposed to you pro-lie terrorists?
>force me as a taxpayer
>to pay for abortions
Nobody forces you to pay for abortions, terrorist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
You pro-liars claim to be pro-life but the truth is that you prefer
to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on yourself while letting
children die.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
DanielSan
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:41:15 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>I believe in God, bud the dud.
>>
>>That's your problem.
>
>
> Not for me. Not believing in God is definitely a problem of eternal
> ramifications for you, though.
Sorry, duke. I'm not going to buy into your scare tactics.
>
>
>>>And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
>>>getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
>
>
>>Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
>>wagging who's tail here?
>
>
> No, I don't. I just keep hanging the truth about her wagging tongue thru
> others.
So, she has super mystical magic powers that make me and others type
things that she wants?
Hey, Budikka, I think duke just paid you a compliment! ;-D
--
*******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
*******************************************************
duke
>>>Your believe that you know better than everybody else.
>>I know John 13:34 as descriptive of Christians, and you didn't.
>I know that your hate proves you to be a liar. And your wish to make
>women suffer proves that you really do NOT do as Jesus commanded.
Awww, poor little cry baby. Now you're pushing the idea that women who can't
butcher their own unborn for your comfort and convenience are being made to
suffer.
>>>There's that arrogance. You feel free to lie about anybody you don't
>>>like.
>>No, not at all.
>You're a liar.
Nope.
>> That's the way you atheists characterize yourselves.
>There's that lie again.
Nope.
>>>Thus, human sperm is human being, according to your "logic".
>>No, when human sperm and a human egg join,
>and is born alive.
A human sperm and a human egg are"born alive"????????
>>Uh, no I'm not. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
>That's another lie.
Nope.
duke
Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
one's comfort and convenience.
duke, American-American
duke
>>> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>>+ No, I don't.
>Of course you do. You demand that pregannt women be forced
>to give birth, even though women will die as a result.
Women have been given birth for years. You were even a result of a birth.
>>+ Since less than one percent of pregnant women
>>get an abortion because of medical resons, this would
>Even with abortion being legal, childbirth kills several hundred women
>each year in the US.
Abortion as birth control is evil.
duke
>> Not for me. Not believing in God is definitely a problem of eternal
>> ramifications for you, though.
>Sorry, duke. I'm not going to buy into your scare tactics.
You needn't fear me. satan is the one you need to fear.
>>>>And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
>>>>getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
>>>Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
>>>wagging who's tail here?
>> No, I don't. I just keep hanging the truth about her wagging tongue thru
>> others.
>So, she has super mystical magic powers that make me and others type
>things that she wants?
One must wonder.
>Hey, Budikka, I think duke just paid you a compliment! ;-D
Yep, satan's got her tongue.
DanielSan
> On 01 May 2007 03:22:07 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 30 Apr 2007 17:32:00 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>>>>>>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not John 13:34, turkey.
>>>>
>>>>I didn't say it did, moron. You lied. Cope.
>>>
>>>Abortion is the
>>
>>Stop lying, puke.
>
>
> Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
> one's comfort and convenience.
Actually, now that aborted fetuses get a guaranteed ticket to heaven,
it's the ultimate act of selflessness. They are guaranteed to NOT be
stained by "original sin" and are, therefore, never tempted to tell God
"no."
Catholic logic blew up in your face, duke.
DanielSan
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:36:45 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Not for me. Not believing in God is definitely a problem of eternal
>>>ramifications for you, though.
>
>
>>Sorry, duke. I'm not going to buy into your scare tactics.
>
>
> You needn't fear me. satan is the one you need to fear.
I fear neither you, nor fictional characters. I do not buy either scare
tactice.
>
>
>>>>>And yes, dave, I know what I just said. You're
>>>>>getting to be a real tailwagger for her.
>>>>
>>>>Yet you seem to want to respond to everything Bud says, dave. Who's
>>>>wagging who's tail here?
>>>
>>>No, I don't. I just keep hanging the truth about her wagging tongue thru
>>>others.
>>
>>So, she has super mystical magic powers that make me and others type
>>things that she wants?
>
>
> One must wonder.
>
>
>>Hey, Budikka, I think duke just paid you a compliment! ;-D
>
>
> Yep, satan's got her tongue.
It's really interesting how duke thinks that Budikka controls the rest
of us. :-)
Ray Fischer
>On 01 May 2007 03:21:42 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>>Your believe that you know better than everybody else.
>>>I know John 13:34 as descriptive of Christians, and you didn't.
>
>>I know that your hate proves you to be a liar. And your wish to make
>>women suffer proves that you really do NOT do as Jesus commanded.
>
>Awww, poor little cry baby.
"Declare victory".
> Now you're pushing the idea that women who can't
>butcher their own unborn for your comfort and convenience are being made to
>suffer.
For somebody who claims to not lie you sure are lying rather stupidly
and obviously.
>>>>There's that arrogance. You feel free to lie about anybody you don't
>>>>like.
>>>No, not at all.
>>You're a liar.
>
>Nope.
You prove it constantly.
>>> That's the way you atheists characterize yourselves.
>>There's that lie again.
>
>Nope.
Prove that I'm an atheist.
>>> Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
>>That's another lie.
>
>Nope.
Prove that aboriton is murder. I can prove that it's not.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 01 May 2007 03:22:07 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>On 30 Apr 2007 17:32:00 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>You're lying again, pro-liar. Not even the Bible says that. Quite
>>>>>>the contrary, the Bible iven commands abortion.
>>>>>Not John 13:34, turkey.
>>>>I didn't say it did, moron. You lied. Cope.
>>>
>>>Abortion is the
>>
>>Stop lying, puke.
>
>Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness
Stop lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 01 May 2007 03:23:54 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>>>+ No, I don't.
>
>>Of course you do. You demand that pregannt women be forced
>>to give birth, even though women will die as a result.
>
>Women have been given birth for years.
And died.
> You were even a result of a birth.
And you will die.
>>>+ Since less than one percent of pregnant women
>>>get an abortion because of medical resons, this would
>>Even with abortion being legal, childbirth kills several hundred women
>>each year in the US.
>
>Abortion as birth control is evil.
Your hatred and lies are evil.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Patrick
> Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
> >> >> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>
> >> >> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>
> >> >+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
> >> >anyone has the right to decide life and death over another.
>
> >> Except for you, of course.
>
> >> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>
> >+ No, I don't.
>
> Of course you do. You demand that pregannt women be forced
> to give birth, even though women will die as a result.
+ I have NEVER made that claim, skippy.
+ I am merely against 97 percent of all the abortions
that are merely for the convenience of the mother.
+ The fed government should never have gotten in the
middle of the argument. Once it did, it should have
left those decisions to each state, as to what they
feel they should fund.
> >+ Since less than one percent of pregnant women
> >get an abortion because of medical resons, this would
>
> Even with abortion being legal, childbirth kills several hundred women each year in the US.
+ Not as many as guns kill children.
+ Sure ... childbirth kills.
+ So does lightning, shark bites and sharp sticks.
+ Stop leaning on the exception.
+ Put more thought on the rule.
> >+ However, when you pro-deathers
>
> As opposed to you pro-lie terrorists?
>
> >force me as a taxpayer
> >to pay for abortions
>
> Nobody forces you to pay for abortions, terrorist.
+ Look, skippy, you really need to get informed.
+ Let me know when you do.
+ And then we'll try to have further discussions.
Patrick
> >> >+ How many cathedrals did we build last year?
>
> >> How many lives could have been saved with $100,000,000?
>
> >+ You first, bw.
>
> You pro-liars claim to be pro-life but the truth is that you prefer
> to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on yourself while letting
> children die.
+ How dare you judge one entire class of people!
+ How much money did you pro-deathers spend on
make-up last year. Look it up. How much money
did you pro-deathers spend on cigarettes?
+ Wake up, grow up, and get on the stick, skippy.
AMBAN
says...
Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
heartburn and indigestion
constipation
weight gain
dizziness and light-headedness
bloating, swelling, fluid retention
hemmorhoids
abdominal cramps
yeast infections
congested, bloody nose
acne and mild skin disorders
skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
mild to severe backache and strain
increased headaches
difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
increased urination and incontinence
bleeding gums
pica
breast pain and discharge
swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
inability to take regular medications
shortness of breath
higher blood pressure
hair loss
tendency to anemia
curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and
are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
extreme pain on delivery
hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section
-- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully
recover)
Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
stretch marks (worse in younger women)
loose skin
permanent weight gain or redistribution
abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former
child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary
and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
changes to breasts
varicose veins
scarring from episiotomy or c-section
other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by
women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
Occasional complications and side effects:
hyperemesis gravidarum
temporary and permanent injury to back
severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional
pregnancies)
dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other
pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and
enterocele)
pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of
pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
gestational diabetes
placenta previa
anemia (which can be life-threatening)
thrombocytopenic purpura
severe cramping
embolism (blood clots)
medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of
many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or
baby)
diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
hormonal imbalance
ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
hemorrhage and
numerous other complications of delivery
refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present
in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment
prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
severe post-partum depression and psychosis
research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female
fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival
rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and
a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
Less common (but serious) complications:
peripartum cardiomyopathy
cardiopulmonary arrest
magnesium toxicity
severe hypoxemia/acidosis
massive embolism
increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced
cancer)
malignant arrhythmia
circulatory collapse
placental abruption
obstetric fistula
More permanent side effects:
future infertility
permanent disability
death.
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
duke
>> Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness - to butcher one's own unborn for
>> one's comfort and convenience.
>Actually, now that aborted fetuses get a guaranteed ticket to heaven,
Actually, you're wrong as usual, dave. Nobody knows what happens to an aborted
fetus or an infant that dies without baptism. Limbo was an unofficial
assumption.
>it's the ultimate act of selflessness. They are guaranteed to NOT be
>stained by "original sin" and are, therefore, never tempted to tell God
>"no."
That's makes another mistake. Original sin enters the soul at conception, not
birth.
Your are one dumb, Ignorant atheist.
>Catholic logic blew up in your face, duke.
You need to learn what you're talking about before you continue to make an ass
of yourself as you usually do.
duke
>>Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness.......
>Stop lying.
....where one butchers their own unborn for their comfort and convenience.
Strictly atheist stuff.
duke
>>Women have been given birth for years.
>And died.
Rarely.
>> You were even a result of a birth.
>And you will die.
Were you hatched?
duke
>On Apr 30, 11:23 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Patrick <barker...@erinet.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > + I know how you pro-deathers
>>
>> >> >> I'm not pro death. I'm against those who blindly believe in magic sky pixies thinking that qualifies them to force their insanity on women.
>>
>> >> >+ This is where you and I really disagree. I do not believe that
>> >> >anyone has the right to decide life and death over another.
>>
>> >> Except for you, of course.
>>
>> >> You demand the right to decide life and death of pregnant women.
>>
>> >+ No, I don't.
>>
>> Of course you do. You demand that pregannt women be forced
>> to give birth, even though women will die as a result.
>
>+ I have NEVER made that claim, skippy.
>+ I am merely against 97 percent of all the abortions
>that are merely for the convenience of the mother.
That's right - abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness in that one butchers
one own unborn for one's comfort and convenience.
duke
>> You needn't fear me. satan is the one you need to fear.
>I fear neither you, nor fictional characters. I do not buy either scare
>tactice.
When you die, you don't get a vote, dave.
duke
>> Now you're pushing the idea that women who can't
>>butcher their own unborn for your comfort and convenience are being made to
>>suffer.
>For somebody who claims to not lie you sure are lying rather stupidly
>and obviously.
Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness where one butchers their own unborn
for their comfort and convenience.
>>>You're a liar.
>>Nope.
>You prove it constantly.
I never lie on the ng.
>>>> That's the way you atheists characterize yourselves.
>>>There's that lie again.
>>Nope.
>Prove that I'm an atheist.
You support all the things that God hates - sin.
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<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2007 14:23:44 -0700, Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>>God said abortion is a mortal sin.
> >Hos 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
> >against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
> >dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
> >2Ki 15:16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and
> >the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him,
> >therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child
> >he ripped up."
>
> >Clearly Yahweh delights in killing children or allowing them to be
> >killed. And he just loves to demand child sacrifices.
>
> Jewish war stories. The Christian God loves all.
>
• Does the Judeo-Christian God love homosexual guys?
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• I attended Jr. High school with a bunch of guys who probably should
have been aborted.
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• The Catholic God handsomely rewards right-to-lifers who lie about
pro-choicers.
Budikka666
> On Apr 30, 6:48 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 4:26 pm, CE <jlris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 7:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> > > > They can certainly build other structures instead of churches. You see,
> > > > duke, if the church helped out to the tune of $100,000,000 (the figure
> > > > given), then the fabricators could build housing for those that are
> > > > homeless, for example.
>
> > > > They don't NEED to build churches.
>
> > > Actually, they do.
>
> > > Building up the church by spreading the Good News is the fundamental
> > > mission of every Catholic because Jesus has said,"Make disciples of
> > > all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
> > > and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have
> > > commanded you."
>
> > Why is the fact that there's a LIAR on the loose not a surprise?
>
> > Mat 15:24 "But [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the
> > lost sheep of the house of Israel."
>
> > Mat 10:5,6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them,
> > saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
> > Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house
> > of Israel."
>
> > So either Jesus lied or you lied. Which is it?
>
> What is the "lie" you think you've found?
I'm so sorry you're too dumb to see it. Let me spell it out for you.
You claimed that you need to build churches because this mythical
Jesus of yours (yes, we're all *still* waiting on you providing even
the first shred of evidence that there ever was a Jesus Christ,
miracle-working son-of-a-god) wanted to make disciples of all nations.
Not that there's a shred of urgence in the Bible to actually build
churches - another piece of fiction on your part.
I provided two verses (with citations, which you, predictably, failed
to provide) which directly contradict your claim. So either Jesus
lied when he said he was come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
only/when he instructed his disciples ot avoid gentiles, or he lied
when he said he wanted to send disciples to all nations, or you lied
when you made that "quote" that this mythical Jesus purportedly said.
Get it now?
Budikka