Health care debate on abortion delayed
james g. keegan jr.
An amendment that would determine how the health care legislation moving
through the Senate will handle the potentially explosive issue of
abortion will be put off until Monday at the earliest, the Senate's No.
2 Democrat said today.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said Democrats are working
furiously behind the scenes to find a compromise on abortion and a
proposed government-run health insurance program -- two issues that have
divided the Democratic caucus in recent weeks. Durbin made the comments
in a call organized by Families USA, a group that supports the health
care legislation.
As lawmakers in both parties debate the $848 billion legislation on the
floor, Durbin said there are "pretty serious conversations" taking place
between Democrats. "We feel like we're moving to a point where soon we
can talk about an endgame but we're not there yet," he said. "Our goal
is to finish this bill before Christmas."
The Senate is scheduled to be in session this weekend to continue to
debate other amendments.
The abortion debate flared up after the House passed an amendment Nov. 7
that would prohibit insurance companies from covering an abortion for
any woman who receives a government subsidy to offset premium costs --
even if only private money is used for the procedure. By contrast, the
Senate legislation would require insurance companies to segregate
private premiums from subsidies and use only private money to cover the
procedure.
Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., has said he could not vote for the Senate
health care bill unless the House's stronger abortion restrictions are
included. He is expected to offer an amendment that would attach the
House language to the Senate bill. But, Durbin said, "We don't believe
the � language offered at this moment is likely to pass."
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/12/health-care-debate-on-aborti
on-delayed.html
elizabeth
>
> http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/12/health-care-debate-on-ab...
> on-delayed.html
If they try to ban abortion it's open season on every democrat, esp
FineSwine and BoxerBotox.
pnyikos
If you try to murder Osprey, Delaware police will have you behind bars
in a jiffy and, if you are as old as the San Francisco crone in the
photo that some say is of you, you'll probably be in the slammer for
the rest of your life.
[One good *non sequitur* deserves another.]
Peter Nyikos
james g. keegan jr.
<04260869-87ee-4f2a...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
see how the liar posting as peter nyikos equates abortion with murder.
and he claims to be a phd
pnyikos
> In article
> <04260869-87ee-4f2a-8222-20b38d948...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
--------------------- Keegan posting mode on
Watch how the liar posting as elizabeth equates restricting federal
funding of elective abortion with banning abortion:
--------------------- Keegan posting mode off
> > > If they try to ban abortion it's open season on every democrat, esp
> > > FineSwine and BoxerBotox.
I responded as follows:
> > If you try to murder Osprey,
--------------- begin restoration
>>Delaware police will have you behind bars
>>in a jiffy and, if you are as old as the San Francisco crone in the
>>photo that some say is of you, you'll probably be in the slammer for
>>the rest of your life.
>>[One good *non sequitur* deserves another.]
------------ end of restoration
The liar posting as "James G. Keegan, Jr." deleted text (which I've
restored) to obscure what my statement was all about, so he could lie
as follows:
> see how the liar posting as peter nyikos equates abortion with murder.
>
> and he claims to be a phd
Do you think ANYONE who doesn't have me killfiled will be fooled by
EITHER half of your GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out), you Energizer
Bunny?
If so, you have a very low opinion of the intelligence of as many non-
killfiling readers as you think will be fooled.
Peter Nyikos
james g. keegan jr.
<609efb81-f6c9-4357...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
your post cut after the first misrepresentation
Lefty
Damn it, you derailed yet another good thread with childish personal
bullshit. Get a grip on your raging emotions and stop being such a
drama queen.
Lefty
>
> http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/12/health-care-debate-on-ab...
> on-delayed.html
From a non-American's perspective, this is bizarre. Democrats have to
compromise to placate these PFL nuts about funding a legal medical
procedure, and some of the Democrats are PFL nuts themselves? That
blows my mind. Even under a regressive Conservative gov't, public
funding of abortion services is not an issue here except with a
lunatic fringe which has no power. May it always be so and it may it
be so for you all one day.
james g. keegan jr.
<2a08aad7-ff9d-452f...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Lefty <lefty...@netscape.net> wrote:
i think many people believed that the usa would eventually catch up
with most of the civilized nations in the area of health insurance as
well as other areas. sadly, for at least the past decade, and some argue
longer, we have been going in the opposite direction.
many of my contemporaries hung on to that vision until 2000 or shortly
thereafter and then slowly let it go.
i can't name s single person who is optimistic about the future here,
nor of anyone with practical solutions. the mostly unspoken consensus
seems to be that a minority has stolen the country and little can be
done.
it's not a pretty picture.
Lefty
> In article
> <2a08aad7-ff9d-452f-b297-e69a0b5b0...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
There has to be a way to make the public see the lunacy of the
situation and take your country back. Some people believe it's
hopeless because most of the American public is hopelessly stupid. I'm
not sure about that. Your thoughts?
elizabeth
>
> - Show quoted text -
Americans are that stupid. The drift to the left of the bell shaped
curve is the problem. They don't understand politics. And don't want
to deal with causality. And don't learn from history.
james g. keegan jr.
<85f2f392-21c1-49ba...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Lefty <lefty...@netscape.net> wrote:
i'm involved in a few groups who discuss these issues fairly regularly.
most of the participants are scientists of one sort or another; a few
are retired chief technical officers, a small number are in their 30s
and teach at several universities. we're diverse geographically and
politically.
i can speak for these groups and they are as frustrated as i sounded
earlier.
frustrated because we don't know what to do. one guy wants to vote
against ALL incumbents next year not so much to change many faces but to
send a message. that same guy recently had a personal conversation with
harry reid and a few others about health insurance. the basics of the
conversation were that my friend suggested reid investigate the plan
taiwan uses. essentially, taiwan studied several nations healthcare
systems and looked at what was good and what wasn't. then they built a
system on what they saw as good. today, taiwan's might well be the
world's best. reid's response, and that of a few of his colleagues, was
that this was the usa and we'd do it our way. after he told that story,
my friend sighed.
i think there is a growing sentiment that arrogant ignorance will
overcome almost anything that we can do. i'm not even sure who we is.
the groups i talk will ALL believe the public is hopelessly ignorant
.... not stupid, but ignorant and unwilling to let facts alter their
beliefs.
your thoughts?
pnyikos
Lighten up, Lefty. I just chose an unusual way of letting people
know that elizabeth's comment had nothing whatsoever to do with the
topic of the article posted ("non sequitur") and painted a
ridiculously farfetched (one might also say paranoid) scenario.
I estimate the odds against the Senate voting to ban abortion within
the next decade to be greater than those against a mile-wide asteroid
crashing into the earth in the same time frame. I'm not so sure about
the odds against elizabeth attempting to murder Osprey, but I hope
they are at least as great.
I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me with
equating abortion with murder. Does this have anything to do with you
having stopped responding to me on the thread where I called Chilton's
claim that he is a Christian into question, and Keegan has started
posting there?
Keegan was even illogical about it: even with his deletion, and even
using the Leftist Propagandist definition of "equate", the logical
thing for him to do would have been to charge me with equating murder
with the *banning* of abortion. But he is too dedicated to
discrediting me to let mere logic get in his way.
By the way, I hope you don't think you are discussing abortion with
Keegan here: you did talk about it in your first post, but he switched
the topic to healthcare restructuring in general.
Peter Nyikos
james g. keegan jr.
<fe1dc11d-d01e-414d...@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 11:31 pm, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> wrote:
[...]
> > Damn it, you derailed yet another good thread with childish personal
> > bullshit. Get a grip on your raging emotions and stop being such a
> > drama queen.
>
> Lighten up, Lefty. I just chose an unusual way of letting people
> know
what you haev let people know is:
..you are a liar who runs from challenges to your lies
..you attack those tho challenge your lies by misrepresenting their
actions in other, unrelated threads, as lefty noted, derailing those
threads.
james g. keegan jr.
> [...]
> I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
> despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
Dr. Michael Mancini
james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgkeegan-0BFB4D...@news.individual.net...
> In article
> <fe1dc11d-d01e-414d...@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 8, 11:31 pm, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Damn it, you derailed yet another good thread with childish personal
> > > bullshit. Get a grip on your raging emotions and stop being such a
> > > drama queen.
> >
> > Lighten up, Lefty. I just chose an unusual way of letting people
> > know
>
>
> what you haev let people know is:
>
> ..you are a liar who runs from challenges to your lies
Liar, liar, pants on fire! How typical of you, Junior. You can't challenge
him with the facts, so you just call him a liar. Just because you say
something, it doesn't make it so. After all, you're not Joseph Smith (who,
by the way, was another liar).
> ..you attack those tho challenge your lies by misrepresenting their
> actions in other, unrelated threads, as lefty noted, derailing those
> threads.
And you never produce evidence that someone is a liar, just chant it like a
four-year-old. Tell me, Junior, do you play hockey?
--Dr. Michael Mancini
Dr. Michael Mancini
As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
challenge. The mark of a true coward. Tell me, Junior, why do you fear me?
--Dr. Michael Mancini
elizabeth
wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7onsitF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > On 2009-12-14 16:00:04 -0500, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> said:
>
> > > [...]
> > > I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
> > > despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
>
> > as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
>
> As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
> challenge. The mark of a true coward. Tell me, Junior, why do you fear me?
>
> --Dr. Michael Mancini
Just kill yourself, Oopsey.
james g. keegan jr.
"Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > ..you attack those tho challenge your lies by misrepresenting their
> > actions in other, unrelated threads, as lefty noted, derailing those
> > threads.
>
> And you never produce evidence that someone is a liar
as is my practice, i cut your post after your first lie bobby?
tell me, does the real mancini know that you are posting using his name
again?
james g. keegan jr.
"Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7onsitF...@mid.individual.net...
> > On 2009-12-14 16:00:04 -0500, pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> said:
> >
> > > [...]
> > > I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
> > > despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
> >
> >
> > as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
>
> As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
> challenge.
Dr. Michael Mancini
> In article <a5b31$4b3b86f8$6211a844$76...@ALLTEL.NET>,
> "Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > ..you attack those tho challenge your lies by misrepresenting their
> > > actions in other, unrelated threads, as lefty noted, derailing those
> > > threads.
> >
> > And you never produce evidence that someone is a liar
>
>
> as is my practice, i cut your post after your first lie bobby?
Wooo...thank you, Mistress. May I have another?
Dr. Michael Mancini
> In article <25a08$4b3b876a$6211a844$19...@ALLTEL.NET>,
> "Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7onsitF...@mid.individual.net...
> > > On 2009-12-14 16:00:04 -0500, pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> said:
> > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
> > > > despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
> > >
> > >
> > > as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
> >
> > As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
> > challenge.
>
>
> as is my practice, i cut your post after your first lie bobby?
No, your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their claim.
james g. keegan jr.
"Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jgkeegan-6A48B5...@news.individual.net...
> > In article <25a08$4b3b876a$6211a844$19...@ALLTEL.NET>,
> > "Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > > james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7onsitF...@mid.individual.net...
> > > > On 2009-12-14 16:00:04 -0500, pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> said:
> > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
> > > > > despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
> > >
> > > As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
> > > challenge.
> >
> >
> > as is my practice, i cut your post after your first lie bobby?
>
> No
yes bobby. and everyone knows it.
how long do you think you'll get away with using mancini's name this
time bobby/
Ray Fischer
>james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> "Dr. Michael Mancini" <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> > james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7onsitF...@mid.individual.net...
>> > > On 2009-12-14 16:00:04 -0500, pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> said:
>> > >
>> > > > [...]
>> > > > I see you and Keegan are getting along swimmingly in this thread,
>> > > > despite the fact that he indulged in a dirty deletion to libel me
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > as is a common practice, i cut your post at your first lie.
>> >
>> > As is your common practice, you delete portions of posts you can't
>> > challenge.
>>
>>
>> as is my practice, i cut your post after your first lie bobby?
>
>No, your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their claim.
Smirk. You've admitted that you're lying about people. You've also
admitted that you're a convicted felon and registered sex offender.
So why should anyone take you seriously?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Dr. Michael Mancini
Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4b3c10ea$0$1623$742e...@news.sonic.net...
Don't let Keegan catch you lying and misrepresenting, Ray. He'll spank you,
and smirk when he does so.
> So why should anyone take you seriously?
You appear to be, but that's not saying much, is it.
Ray Fischer
>> >No, your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their claim.
>>
>> Smirk. You've admitted that you're lying about people. You've also
>> admitted that you're a convicted felon and registered sex offender.
>
>Don't let Keegan catch you lying and misrepresenting,
your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their claim.
mancini, just above
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Dr. Michael Mancini
Obviously you are too lazy or stupid to read the post in its entirity. The
practice of calling othes liars is Keegan's, not mine. It's his standard
M.O. God, you're stupid, Ray. I first thought you were having a senior
moment, or you were getting paranoid, but I can see now it's just plain
stupidity.
Ray Fischer
>Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> Dr. Michael Mancini <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>> >> Dr. Michael Mancini <don...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >No, your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their
>claim.
>> >>
>> >> Smirk. You've admitted that you're lying about people. You've also
>> >> admitted that you're a convicted felon and registered sex offender.
>> >
>> >Don't let Keegan catch you lying and misrepresenting,
>>
>> your practice is to call anyone a liar if you can't refute their
>claim.
>> mancini, just above
>
>Obviously you are too lazy or stupid to read the post in its entirity.
LOL! The hypocritical sleazebafg makes excuses!
> The
>practice of calling othes liars is Keegan's, not mine.
You're the one doing it, moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net