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J
Mar 15, 2012, 12:46:43 AM3/15/12
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Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
“Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
lives, not one.”
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
“Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
lives, not one.”
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
SkyEyes
Mar 15, 2012, 1:31:45 AM3/15/12
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On Mar 14, 9:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
>
> Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> lives, not one.”
>
> --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com
> Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> lives, not one.”
>
> --
> J Young
Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
of rape?
And we should care...why?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 15, 2012, 2:02:45 AM3/15/12
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On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
[snip -- quoted article]
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
sperm donor.
An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
What the bishops are speaking out on is the perverted extension of the
horrific crime of rape through the entirely unreasonable and irrational
insistence that family values are not important -- any woman who does
not wish to have children, or who wishes to selectively breed with a
particular man or men, should not have to have her freedoms arbitrarily
removed through the denial of her natural right to consent as dictated
by some uncompassionate black-and-white doctrine.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor,
Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love
of the Fatherland."
-- Adolf Hitler
Davej
Mar 15, 2012, 2:40:02 AM3/15/12
to
On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
of being a "baby."
Why be dishonest and pretend this a "baby?" It isn't. It's brainless
just like a Catholic bishop.
http://www.enasco.com/prod/images/products/45/AC063259l.jpg
SLIPPERY
Mar 15, 2012, 2:50:45 AM3/15/12
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On Mar 15, 4:46 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
>
> Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> lives, not one.”
>
> --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com
> Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> lives, not one.”
>
> --
> J Young
Do you know what they used too do too promiscuis woman in ireland if a
woman was found to be carry child other than her husbands then when
the child is takin from the womb it would be buried at the side of the
road as a child born in promiscuity could not be buried on church
proprerty,shame with rape cases.If your daughter was promiscuis with
the local lads she would be sent to convent and have her mind put
right that has all stopped thank god,abortion is illegal and porn is
also illegal and also contrception,divorcee is frownded upon and has
only been legal for a number of years. thank you for your comments
john mccarthy
SLIPPERY
Mar 15, 2012, 2:53:13 AM3/15/12
to
an oath and are respected members of justice and law
SLIPPERY
Mar 15, 2012, 2:59:40 AM3/15/12
to
your cullen,do you know what culen is well suppose there is a diesease
that is being transfered from babies to adults then you could abort a
babies life too save the human race
Kelsey Bjarnason
Mar 15, 2012, 2:22:50 AM3/15/12
to
and abusing the altar boys doesn't qualify.
--
Mark 16:18. I'll pour.
SLIPPERY
Mar 15, 2012, 2:56:09 AM3/15/12
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On Mar 15, 6:02 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
abortion laws
<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
> On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
>
> [snip -- quoted article]
>
> A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> sperm donor.
>
> An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> What the bishops are speaking out on is the perverted extension of the
> horrific crime of rape through the entirely unreasonable and irrational
> insistence that family values are not important -- any woman who does
> not wish to have children, or who wishes to selectively breed with a
> particular man or men, should not have to have her freedoms arbitrarily
> removed through the denial of her natural right to consent as dictated
> by some uncompassionate black-and-white doctrine.
>
> --
> Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
> "There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor,
> Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love
> of the Fatherland."
> -- Adolf Hitler
you idiot the bishops are not saying that there just enforcing anti
> [snip -- quoted article]
>
> A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> sperm donor.
>
> An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> What the bishops are speaking out on is the perverted extension of the
> horrific crime of rape through the entirely unreasonable and irrational
> insistence that family values are not important -- any woman who does
> not wish to have children, or who wishes to selectively breed with a
> particular man or men, should not have to have her freedoms arbitrarily
> removed through the denial of her natural right to consent as dictated
> by some uncompassionate black-and-white doctrine.
>
> --
> Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
> "There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor,
> Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love
> of the Fatherland."
> -- Adolf Hitler
abortion laws
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 15, 2012, 4:46:44 AM3/15/12
to
indicate that you may be feeling threatened by an inability to refute
the rational and logical facts that I presented.
Your claim that the bishops are enforcing anti-abortion laws is not
applicable in most countries because the Roman Catholic Church's bishops
simply don't have legal authority like police officers do.
The enforcement of anti-abortion laws is a violation of the natural
freedoms that are protected under international human rights legislation
in the countries that agree to abide by them. Any country that agrees
to abide by international human rights laws, and actually enforces them
with true impartiality, earns the title of a "responsible modern
civilization" as a result of acting honourably and respectfully in how
it treats all people regardless of citizenship status.
What the bishops are doing is oppressive to personal freedoms, and that
is highly offensive. Anyone who wilfully violates human rights deserves
to be tried for the charges therein and judged by an internationally
recognized court with the proper jurisdiction to try human rights cases,
and this authority must supersede any protections that is often granted
to religious organizations (if not, then this loophole is a failure of
the international human rights legislation that needs to be corrected
post haste for the benefit of human kind).
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
value of life."
-- Charles Darwin
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 15, 2012, 4:52:02 AM3/15/12
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On 2012-Mar-14 23:59, SLIPPERY wrote:
> On Mar 15, 6:40 am, Davej<galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J<jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>>
>> Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>> of being a "baby."
>>
>> Why be dishonest and pretend this a "baby?" It isn't. It's brainless
>> just like a Catholic bishop.
>>
>> http://www.enasco.com/prod/images/products/45/AC063259l.jpg
>
> i think youll find that the bishop agrees abortion is good idea if
This seems out of character for bishops. I hope you're right...
> On Mar 15, 6:40 am, Davej<galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J<jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>>
>> Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>> of being a "baby."
>>
>> Why be dishonest and pretend this a "baby?" It isn't. It's brainless
>> just like a Catholic bishop.
>>
>> http://www.enasco.com/prod/images/products/45/AC063259l.jpg
>
> i think youll find that the bishop agrees abortion is good idea if
> your cullen,do you know what culen is well suppose there is a diesease
> that is being transfered from babies to adults then you could abort a
> babies life too save the human race
there, and interestingly this exception is one that also just happens to
protect the bishop's life. The word "selfish" comes to mind.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
just the same."
-- Mark Twain
W.T.S.
Mar 15, 2012, 5:09:08 AM3/15/12
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In article <5fohoq....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
force rape, forceable rape and incest victims, some as young as nine
years old, to be force birthed, even if it destroys the girl's life,
health, mental health, and future.
By the way, it's not a "baby", it's a fetus. It's often too small to be
seen without a microscope! It can be dealt with by using a morning
after medication, which Catholic hospitals refuse!!! All of this
illustrates the sickness that runs from top to bottom in the Catholic
Church!
>
> http://www.CatholicLiesAgency.com/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/
>
<snip> Catholic nonsense, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: Catholic Church continues to wage war against women and girls,
they're not going to stop. The Catholic Church demands that all women
become gender slaves and/or brood sows!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
Translation: "J" and the sick, degenerate, Catholic Bishops want to
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
force rape, forceable rape and incest victims, some as young as nine
years old, to be force birthed, even if it destroys the girl's life,
health, mental health, and future.
By the way, it's not a "baby", it's a fetus. It's often too small to be
seen without a microscope! It can be dealt with by using a morning
after medication, which Catholic hospitals refuse!!! All of this
illustrates the sickness that runs from top to bottom in the Catholic
Church!
>
> http://www.CatholicLiesAgency.com/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/
>
<snip> Catholic nonsense, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: Catholic Church continues to wage war against women and girls,
they're not going to stop. The Catholic Church demands that all women
become gender slaves and/or brood sows!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
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duke
Mar 15, 2012, 8:09:09 AM3/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
>> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>>
>> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
>[snip -- quoted article]
>
>A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
>sperm donor.
>
>An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
>pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
>appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
>> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>>
>> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
>[snip -- quoted article]
>
>A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
>sperm donor.
>
>An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
>pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
>appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
the one she does or doesn't believe in, that will be her final judge.
Bishops can only provide spiritual guidance.
duke, American - American
*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****
duke
Mar 15, 2012, 8:10:46 AM3/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:46:44 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> you idiot the bishops are not saying that there just enforcing anti
>> abortion laws
>Your ad hominem attack doesn't help your argument, and also seems to
>indicate that you may be feeling threatened by an inability to refute
>the rational and logical facts that I presented.
Then read mine which are almost the same as his.
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> you idiot the bishops are not saying that there just enforcing anti
>> abortion laws
>Your ad hominem attack doesn't help your argument, and also seems to
>indicate that you may be feeling threatened by an inability to refute
>the rational and logical facts that I presented.
>Your claim that the bishops are enforcing anti-abortion laws is not
>applicable in most countries because the Roman Catholic Church's bishops
>simply don't have legal authority like police officers do.
duke
Mar 15, 2012, 8:11:56 AM3/15/12
to
duke
Mar 15, 2012, 8:13:00 AM3/15/12
to
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>
>
>Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>of being a "baby."
That happens at the moment of conception
>On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>
>
>Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>of being a "baby."
MarkA
Mar 15, 2012, 9:18:31 AM3/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> mother;
A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months, and has permanent sequella.
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> mother;
Terminating the pregnancy ASAP is the only compassionate option. It
doesn't undo the rape, but it does limit the collateral damage.
> it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to abort
> his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist. The
> bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
in their own fantasy that they can't see the obvious. When will the RCC
finally collapse completely?
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
W.T.S.
Mar 15, 2012, 9:42:53 AM3/15/12
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In article <urm3m7d9g8qf8pcdp...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
able to think, to give or withhold consent for an abortion, who makes
the decision? Her parents, a judge? Can the young girl be compelled to
have the abortion? Suppose the girl is dying, or the fetus is
nonviable, can she withhold consent even though she and the fetus are
essentially dying?
Can you even begin to see the variables and the possibilities? What if
the fetus is the result of forcable incest, do the parents still have a
say, or a judge?
what? Do the Ob/Gyn Doctors even have a say? If the fetus makes it to
birth alive, and the girl dies, bleeds to death for example, is anyone
guilty of homicide???
At a very young age, there's just too much to go wrong. It's one of
several reasons we have Statutory Rape laws!
>
> duke
@cox.net says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
> >>
> >> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
> >[snip -- quoted article]
> >
> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >sperm donor.
> >
> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
> the one she does or doesn't believe in, that will be her final judge.
And if the young girl, say around the age of 9, is to devastated to be
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
> >>
> >> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
> >[snip -- quoted article]
> >
> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >sperm donor.
> >
> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
> the one she does or doesn't believe in, that will be her final judge.
able to think, to give or withhold consent for an abortion, who makes
the decision? Her parents, a judge? Can the young girl be compelled to
have the abortion? Suppose the girl is dying, or the fetus is
nonviable, can she withhold consent even though she and the fetus are
essentially dying?
Can you even begin to see the variables and the possibilities? What if
the fetus is the result of forcable incest, do the parents still have a
say, or a judge?
>
> Bishops can only provide spiritual guidance.
Based on what? The dictates of the Pope? The "Bible", tea leaves,
> Bishops can only provide spiritual guidance.
what? Do the Ob/Gyn Doctors even have a say? If the fetus makes it to
birth alive, and the girl dies, bleeds to death for example, is anyone
guilty of homicide???
At a very young age, there's just too much to go wrong. It's one of
several reasons we have Statutory Rape laws!
>
> duke
W.T.S.
Mar 15, 2012, 9:47:15 AM3/15/12
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In article <p4n3m79m2q2o6uoeu...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
fertilized eggs are never implanted, the "Pre-Born" (tongue in cheek),
goes down the toilet without anyone ever knowing it came into existence.
I wonder if it'll go to heaven. If it does, fertilized eggs will
outnumber post-birth persons about a thousand to one (more tongue in
cheek). Boy! It's a good thing that "God" and "Heaven" are lies!
@cox.net says...
> >On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
> >
> >Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
> >of being a "baby."
>
> That happens at the moment of conception
Bull shit! You need a microscope to see it. To make it worse, most
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
> >
> >Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
> >of being a "baby."
>
> That happens at the moment of conception
fertilized eggs are never implanted, the "Pre-Born" (tongue in cheek),
goes down the toilet without anyone ever knowing it came into existence.
I wonder if it'll go to heaven. If it does, fertilized eggs will
outnumber post-birth persons about a thousand to one (more tongue in
cheek). Boy! It's a good thing that "God" and "Heaven" are lies!
Alan Ferris
Mar 15, 2012, 1:58:53 PM3/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
>morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
>The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
No, instead a sick bastard like you is going to remind her of the rape
>Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
>morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
>The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
for the rest of her life.
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
sbalneav
Mar 15, 2012, 3:29:20 PM3/15/12
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In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape. Having
the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
<snip>
> It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
elizabeth
Mar 15, 2012, 4:52:35 PM3/15/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
And since it's now finally accepted that rape and forced gestation are
in fact WAR CRIMES it's Pius all over again . ...
Kenny McCormack
Mar 15, 2012, 7:04:00 PM3/15/12
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Funny how that works, isn't it???
--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...
Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"
kni...@baawa.com
Mar 15, 2012, 8:28:36 PM3/15/12
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>It is morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
You mean like original sin? The BASIC foundation to your
superstition?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Smiler
Mar 15, 2012, 11:15:41 PM3/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:53:13 -0700, SLIPPERY wrote:
> On Mar 15, 5:31 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 9:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted
>> > upon the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father
>> > severely. It is morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the
>> > father and to abort his child only places the mother on the same
>> > level as her rapist. The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking
>> > out.
>>
>> >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>>
>> > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
>> > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
>> > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>>
>> > "Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason
>> > that can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the
>> > tragic and sad case of rape," Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa
>> > Fe, president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news
>> > agency.
>>
>> > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
>> > from the bishops' conference affirming that "abortion is never the
>> > solution" and that "when a woman is pregnant, we are talking
>> > about two lives, not one."
>>
>>
> On Mar 15, 5:31 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 9:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted
>> > upon the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father
>> > severely. It is morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the
>> > father and to abort his child only places the mother on the same
>> > level as her rapist. The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking
>> > out.
>>
>> >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>>
>> > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
>> > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
>> > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>>
>> > "Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason
>> > that can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the
>> > tragic and sad case of rape," Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa
>> > Fe, president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news
>> > agency.
>>
>> > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
>> > from the bishops' conference affirming that "abortion is never the
>> > solution" and that "when a woman is pregnant, we are talking
>> > about two lives, not one."
>>
>>
>> Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
>> of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
>> of rape?
>>
>> And we should care...why?
>>
>>
>> of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
>> of rape?
>>
>> And we should care...why?
>>
>>
> Hey it dont work like that those funny old men in dresses have sworn an
> oath and are respected members of justice and law
Respected by whom? Not me.
> oath and are respected members of justice and law
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:01:00 AM3/16/12
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:02:46 AM3/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:47:15 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <p4n3m79m2q2o6uoeu...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>@cox.net says...
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
>> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> >> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>> >
>> >Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>> >of being a "baby."
>>
>> That happens at the moment of conception
>Bull shit! You need a microscope to see it.
Even you started with the first cell split. And that's hard to believe that God
>In article <p4n3m79m2q2o6uoeu...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>@cox.net says...
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:40:02 -0700 (PDT), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mar 14, 11:46 pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
>> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> >> baby is not going to undo the harm [...]
>> >
>> >Good, so terminate the pregnancy before the embryo reaches the stage
>> >of being a "baby."
>>
>> That happens at the moment of conception
>Bull shit! You need a microscope to see it.
allowed you to do that.
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:03:39 AM3/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>> mother;
>
>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>> mother;
>
>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:04:33 AM3/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> It is
>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>
>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> It is
>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>
>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
Having
>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:04:57 AM3/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
>In article <jjtfuf$ad5$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape. Having
>>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
>Bingo! You score a bulls-eye.
I did. He/she/it didn't.
McCormack) wrote:
>In article <jjtfuf$ad5$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape. Having
>>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
>Bingo! You score a bulls-eye.
>Funny how that works, isn't it???
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:05:18 AM3/16/12
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linuxgal
Mar 15, 2012, 5:41:24 PM3/15/12
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duke wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> Having
>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
The Word of God is of two minds on that issue.
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> Having
>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
EZEKIEL 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,
neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness
of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked
shall be upon him.
MarkA
Mar 16, 2012, 8:54:14 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>>> the mother;
>>
>>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
> wants.
Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>>> the mother;
>>
>>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
> wants.
MarkA
Mar 16, 2012, 8:56:10 AM3/16/12
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has been so successful: you can use it to justify just about anything.
linuxgal
Mar 15, 2012, 6:05:19 PM3/15/12
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MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
>> wants.
>
> Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?
>
Sometimes when babies smile they're not really happy, there's just
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
>> wants.
>
> Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?
>
trying to fart.
sbalneav
Mar 16, 2012, 10:48:27 AM3/16/12
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In alt.atheism duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
No, sorry, the law says otherwise.
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.atheism J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
> Having
>>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
and 4th generation was some time ago, wasn't it?
W.T.S.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:08:11 AM3/16/12
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In article <21b6m753l338t9c1g...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
microscope to see it! It deserves to be crushed into a bloody pulp and
flushed down the toilet. No baby has ever been involved in any
abortion. Stop lying. Thank goodness we live in a country with the
morning after pill and fetus filth is flushed on a daily basis. We can
now do the same thing that Mother Nature does constantly, stop the fetus
in its tracks before it can interfere with the life, health and future
of a woman. Even more effective methods are on the way, praise science
and greedy, capitalist drug companies!!!
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Monster.
@cox.net says...
> >In alt.atheism J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
> >
> >Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
Bull shit, you pro-lying piece of pure filth! It's a fetus, you need a
> >
> >> It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
> >
> >Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
microscope to see it! It deserves to be crushed into a bloody pulp and
flushed down the toilet. No baby has ever been involved in any
abortion. Stop lying. Thank goodness we live in a country with the
morning after pill and fetus filth is flushed on a daily basis. We can
now do the same thing that Mother Nature does constantly, stop the fetus
in its tracks before it can interfere with the life, health and future
of a woman. Even more effective methods are on the way, praise science
and greedy, capitalist drug companies!!!
>
> Having
> >the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
> >one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
> >the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
Ah, the pure stench of religion!
> Having
> >the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
> >one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
> >the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Monster.
W.T.S.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:18:41 AM3/16/12
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In article <hpa6m7tl4hcq2f8md...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
"God" is still a lie. The Pope and his con game of a Church _will_ take
the heat for this and other crimes. You can't hide behind your false
"God" any more, "duke". We know you for what you are, a vile traitor
against all that is good and decent.
"duke", women are just now starting to fight back against the Catholic
Church. You've intersected far too many lives to remain immune from the
results. I hope you live a long time, "duke", I want you to enjoy the
fruits of your sins and crimes, just like every traitor eventually does.
>
> duke, CatholiKKK Traitor!!!
the heat for this and other crimes. You can't hide behind your false
"God" any more, "duke". We know you for what you are, a vile traitor
against all that is good and decent.
"duke", women are just now starting to fight back against the Catholic
Church. You've intersected far too many lives to remain immune from the
results. I hope you live a long time, "duke", I want you to enjoy the
fruits of your sins and crimes, just like every traitor eventually does.
>
> duke, CatholiKKK Traitor!!!
W.T.S.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:33:02 AM3/16/12
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In article <nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>
P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
and his "Church" something?
@cox.net says...
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >> mother;
> >
> >A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >> mother;
> >
> >A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>
P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
and his "Church" something?
W.T.S.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:36:22 AM3/16/12
to
In article <m2b6m71mdk48hocni...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
@cox.net says...
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:04:00 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
> McCormack) wrote:
>
> >In article <jjtfuf$ad5$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
> McCormack) wrote:
>
> >In article <jjtfuf$ad5$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
> >>In alt.atheism J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is
> >>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
> >>
> >>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape. Having
> >>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
> >>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
> >>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
> >
> >Bingo! You score a bulls-eye.
>
> I did. He/she/it didn't.
Only in your sick dreams, "duke".
> >>
> >>> It is
> >>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
> >>
> >>Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape. Having
> >>the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
> >>one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
> >>the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
> >
> >Bingo! You score a bulls-eye.
>
> I did. He/she/it didn't.
>
> >Funny how that works, isn't it???
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
> >Funny how that works, isn't it???
>
Smiler
Mar 16, 2012, 7:01:55 PM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:54:14 -0400, MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>>>> the mother;
>>>
>>>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
>> wants.
>
> Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?
The law of diminishing returns applies, as most of his neurons have
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>>>> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
>>>> the mother;
>>>
>>>A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always
>> wants.
>
> Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?
been burnt out.
sbalneav
Mar 16, 2012, 7:17:11 PM3/16/12
to
On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>
> Having
>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2014:18&version=KJV
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>
> Having
>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
18The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the
iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
Unto, duke, *unto*. So, the sins are visited to the first, second,
third and fourth generation.
So, since the father committed a crime of rape (and the mother too,
probably, since the little slut was dressed so sexy), the kid's
gotta pay for that sin, right?
I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
eternity, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem
with aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of
original sin, but also guilty of rape.
So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
The kid deserves it.
I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
Paul Duca
Mar 16, 2012, 8:11:11 PM3/16/12
to
On Mar 16, 8:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:42:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <urm3m7d9g8qf8pcdpfe4fiioa81cn3r...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:42:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <urm3m7d9g8qf8pcdpfe4fiioa81cn3r...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
>
> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> >> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >> >>http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>
> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> >> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >> >[snip -- quoted article]
>
> >> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >> >sperm donor.
>
> >> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> >> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
> >> the one she does or doesn't believe in, that will be her final judge.
> >And if the young girl, say around the age of 9, is to devastated to be
> >able to think, to give or withhold consent for an abortion, who makes
> >the decision? Her parents, a judge? Can the young girl be compelled to
> >have the abortion?
>
> In God's court, it's God. And he gets the only final vote. If He only had something other than sewage to offer.
>
> >> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >> >sperm donor.
>
> >> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> >> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
> >> the one she does or doesn't believe in, that will be her final judge.
> >And if the young girl, say around the age of 9, is to devastated to be
> >able to think, to give or withhold consent for an abortion, who makes
> >the decision? Her parents, a judge? Can the young girl be compelled to
> >have the abortion?
>
Paul Duca
Mar 16, 2012, 8:14:31 PM3/16/12
to
On Mar 15, 12:46 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer
> It is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is society's duty
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer
> to punish the mother severely for not staying in the safety of her husband's
> or daddy's house and ALLOWING herself to be raped.
>
>
> --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com
Paul Duca
Mar 16, 2012, 8:16:28 PM3/16/12
to
On Mar 15, 8:09 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
>
>
> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >>http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
> >[snip -- quoted article]
>
> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >sperm donor.
>
> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
> the one that has no reward for her and in fact considers her evil even before this happened.
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:02:45 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
>
>
> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> >> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> >> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> >> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> >> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> >> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >>http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
> >[snip -- quoted article]
>
> >A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> >sperm donor.
>
> >An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> >pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> >appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> The Bishops can't force any woman against her will. Her problem is with God,
Paul Duca
Mar 16, 2012, 8:18:02 PM3/16/12
to
On Mar 16, 8:03 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >> mother;
>
> >A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's the only thing she'll ever get--certainly nothing from God.
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
> >> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >> mother;
>
> >A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 16, 2012, 9:10:04 PM3/16/12
to
On 2012-Mar-16 05:03, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>> mother;
>>
>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
We smile (after giving birth) because it's finally over.
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>> mother;
>>
>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"A good journalist is not the one that writes what people say, but the
one that writes what he is supposed to write."
-- Todor Zhivkov
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 16, 2012, 9:12:27 PM3/16/12
to
On 2012-Mar-16 08:33, W.T.S. wrote:
> In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> @cox.net says...
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>> mother;
>>>
>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
> My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
> In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> @cox.net says...
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>> mother;
>>>
>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
> My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>
> P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
> family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
> husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
> with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
> and his "Church" something?
> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> women and men alike!
>>
> http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>>
> http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>>
> http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>>
> http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>>
> http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>>
> Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
> Live like pigs, die like rats!
>>
> Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
> complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
> have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
> abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
> expense.
>>
> http://www.imnotsorry.net
>>
> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"My heart, as all of yours, breaks when it sees how the government is
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
robbing the country of its riches, how they sell out our national
interests."
-- Viktor Yushchenko
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 16, 2012, 9:17:24 PM3/16/12
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On 2012-Mar-16 07:48, sbalneav wrote:
> In alt.atheism duke<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>
> No, sorry, the law says otherwise.
...and the law also takes sides with reality on this point.
> In alt.atheism duke<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>
> No, sorry, the law says otherwise.
>> Having
>>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>>
>> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
> So why are we still labouring (supposedly) under original sin? The 3rd
> and 4th generation was some time ago, wasn't it?
are not on par with today's mainstream currencies.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Robert Parker (March 4, 2012; in response to "Have you stopped
beating your wife?")
W.T.S.
Mar 16, 2012, 10:41:30 PM3/16/12
to
In article <ZxR8r.919$OX6...@newsfe13.iad>, god...@fidemturbare.com
says...
by proxy.
his "cover".
says...
> On 2012-Mar-16 08:33, W.T.S. wrote:
> > In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> > @cox.net says...
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
> >>>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
> >>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
> >
> > My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>
> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
For "duke" and the Catholic Church, it's an obsession, both direct and
> > In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> > @cox.net says...
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
> >>>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
> >>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
> >
> > My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>
> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
by proxy.
>
> >> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
> >
> > P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
> > family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
> > husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
> > with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
> > and his "Church" something?
>
> His big problem is feminism, not atheism.
Yes, "duke" is a woman hater, but he hates atheism as atheism takes away
> >> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
> >
> > P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
> > family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
> > husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
> > with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
> > and his "Church" something?
>
> His big problem is feminism, not atheism.
his "cover".
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 17, 2012, 1:44:48 AM3/17/12
to
On 2012-Mar-16 19:41, W.T.S. wrote:
> In article<ZxR8r.919$OX6...@newsfe13.iad>, god...@fidemturbare.com
> says...
>> On 2012-Mar-16 08:33, W.T.S. wrote:
>>> In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>> @cox.net says...
>>>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>>>> mother;
>>>>>
>>>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>>>
>>>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>>>
>>> My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>>
>> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
>
> For "duke" and the Catholic Church, it's an obsession, both direct and
> by proxy.
In a way, the whole lot of them belong in prison if they're not
> In article<ZxR8r.919$OX6...@newsfe13.iad>, god...@fidemturbare.com
> says...
>> On 2012-Mar-16 08:33, W.T.S. wrote:
>>> In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5kl...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>>> @cox.net says...
>>>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>>>> mother;
>>>>>
>>>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>>>
>>>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>>>
>>> My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>>
>> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
>
> For "duke" and the Catholic Church, it's an obsession, both direct and
> by proxy.
certifiable enough for padded cells.
>>>> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>>>
>>> P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
>>> family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
>>> husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
>>> with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
>>> and his "Church" something?
>>
>> His big problem is feminism, not atheism.
>
> Yes, "duke" is a woman hater, but he hates atheism as atheism takes away
> his "cover".
thing, per se).
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Victor Stenger
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 17, 2012, 1:49:13 AM3/17/12
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On 2012-Mar-16 05:04, duke wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
Actually it's a human fetus (which is not a human being yet), not a
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> It is
>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>
>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>
> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
human baby, and so terminating a fetus can't qualify as murder.
Definition of murder: The unlawful killing of one human being by another.
>> Having
>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>
> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Benjamin Franklin
Josh Miles
Mar 17, 2012, 3:22:25 AM3/17/12
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On 3/14/2012 11:46 PM, J wrote:
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-approval-of-abortion-in-cases-of-rape/
> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
>
> “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
>
> Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> lives, not one.”
Well, it's a good thing that these child sexual predator enablers who
dress like wizards are not actually in charge of making any laws.
W.T.S.
Mar 17, 2012, 4:02:01 AM3/17/12
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In article <y8KdneMa3u4upvnS...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
says...
many nations. Ireland, for one, comes to mind. Recently, thanks to the
freer flow of information and facts, Ireland is beginning to sober up
from the drugged condition Catholicism had the Irish people in. It'll
take time, perhaps a century, but they'll get their own legislature
back.
South America has a very long way to go to gain control of its own laws
and legal processes.
The United States is still struggling to take control of its laws and
legislatures, even in the U.S. Congress and Senate. The Vatican still
has control of many of our elected representatives, and it'll be a long
time, and a lot of elections, before the American people sober up from
the religious induced stupor that has dominated the law making process
for so very, very long. (Contraception wasn't always legal, and our
abortion rights are still in danger.)
says...
>
> Well, it's a good thing that these child sexual predator enablers who
> dress like wizards are not actually in charge of making any laws.
For a long, long, long time, the Vatican was in charge of the laws of
> Well, it's a good thing that these child sexual predator enablers who
> dress like wizards are not actually in charge of making any laws.
many nations. Ireland, for one, comes to mind. Recently, thanks to the
freer flow of information and facts, Ireland is beginning to sober up
from the drugged condition Catholicism had the Irish people in. It'll
take time, perhaps a century, but they'll get their own legislature
back.
South America has a very long way to go to gain control of its own laws
and legal processes.
The United States is still struggling to take control of its laws and
legislatures, even in the U.S. Congress and Senate. The Vatican still
has control of many of our elected representatives, and it'll be a long
time, and a lot of elections, before the American people sober up from
the religious induced stupor that has dominated the law making process
for so very, very long. (Contraception wasn't always legal, and our
abortion rights are still in danger.)
Paul Duca
Mar 17, 2012, 7:02:53 AM3/17/12
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On Mar 16, 9:12 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> > In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5klvur489k2imilg7...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
who calls women "evil" but still expects to date 20-year-old
ones...then discard them should he get them pregnant.
Paul
> > In article<nva6m7l6hndmsl5klvur489k2imilg7...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> > @cox.net says...
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
> > My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>
> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
>
> >> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>
> > P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
> > family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
> > husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
> > with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
> > and his "Church" something?
>
> His big problem is feminism, not atheism.
>
>
Says Duke Weber--a 70-year-old who never married and raised a family,
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
> > My, my, "duke", and a fine proxy rapist you are!!!
>
> Rape by proxy? That sounds more like a prison activity.
>
> >> puke, CatholiKKK Proxy Rapist.
>
> > P.S. With "duke", it's not enough to destroy the woman's current
> > family, but to destroy any future family she might have had with a
> > husband of her choice; "duke" wants the woman's ability to cope and deal
> > with being a wife and mother completely ruined forever. Isn't "duke"
> > and his "Church" something?
>
> His big problem is feminism, not atheism.
>
>
who calls women "evil" but still expects to date 20-year-old
ones...then discard them should he get them pregnant.
Paul
duke
Mar 17, 2012, 7:28:53 AM3/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:11 -0500, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>>
>> Having
>>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>>
>> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
>http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2014:18&version=KJV
>
>18The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
>transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the
>iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
>generation.
>
>Unto, duke, *unto*. So, the sins are visited to the first, second,
>third and fourth generation.
Yep, that's what I said.
>On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>>
>> Having
>>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,
>>> one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,
>>> the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>>
>> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
>http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2014:18&version=KJV
>
>18The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
>transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the
>iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
>generation.
>
>Unto, duke, *unto*. So, the sins are visited to the first, second,
>third and fourth generation.
>So, since the father committed a crime of rape (and the mother too,
>probably, since the little slut was dressed so sexy), the kid's
>gotta pay for that sin, right?
themselves to the 4th generation, or maybe they themselves are prone to such..
>I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
>to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
>eternity
Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
self first above all else. God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
decide and not God.
Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
first before all else also just as they did.
Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
follow God rather than ourselves.
Fourthly, it all starts when we undergo Christian cleansing (baptism) via our
parents who promise to lead us properly, and then in our own promises to do so
when we then reach the age of young adult reason.
>, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem
>with aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of
>original sin, but also guilty of rape.
>So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
>has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be. Jesus himself gave us a new command
(actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
John 13:34.
>The kid deserves it.
>I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
>Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
duke
Mar 17, 2012, 7:36:07 AM3/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:10:04 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Mar-16 05:03, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>> mother;
>>>
>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
>We smile (after giving birth) because it's finally over.
Which is fine and expected.
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Mar-16 05:03, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
>>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
>>>> mother;
>>>
>>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
>>
>> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
>
>We smile (after giving birth) because it's finally over.
W.T.S.
Mar 17, 2012, 8:12:41 AM3/17/12
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In article <1ls8m7pmkjl89p1ch...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
_What_ "God". "God" is a lie and a con game.
Abortion is beautiful. The Catholic Church is an abomination.
@cox.net says...
Abortion is beautiful. The Catholic Church is an abomination.
>
> >So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
> >has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
> It's murder of one's own unborn for one's own physical comfort and convenience.
> Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be. Jesus himself gave us a new command
> (actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
> John 13:34.
The ultimate act of love is to stomp the fetus into the dirt.
> >So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
> >has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
> It's murder of one's own unborn for one's own physical comfort and convenience.
> Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be. Jesus himself gave us a new command
> (actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
> John 13:34.
>
> >The kid deserves it.
> >I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
> >Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>
> Now you too know.
>
> >The kid deserves it.
> >I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
> >Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>
> Now you too know.
>
W.T.S.
Mar 17, 2012, 8:15:02 AM3/17/12
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In article <dot8m7hemhsnjm4m7...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
take the baby back to the Doctor to be put to sleep? I've met many,
many, many women who wish they could. I have yet to meet one woman who
doesn't wish she could undo having ever had a baby. Babies are
abominations. Abortions are beautiful!
@cox.net says...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:10:04 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2012-Mar-16 05:03, duke wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
> >>>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
> >>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
> >
> >We smile (after giving birth) because it's finally over.
>
> Which is fine and expected.
If the woman finds the child filth is destroying her life, is it Ok to
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2012-Mar-16 05:03, duke wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:18:31 -0400, MarkA<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:46:43 -0700, J wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> >>>> deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent baby
> >>>> is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon the
> >>>> mother;
> >>>
> >>> A forced pregnancy does harm for nine months
> >>
> >> It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always wants.
> >
> >We smile (after giving birth) because it's finally over.
>
> Which is fine and expected.
take the baby back to the Doctor to be put to sleep? I've met many,
many, many women who wish they could. I have yet to meet one woman who
doesn't wish she could undo having ever had a baby. Babies are
abominations. Abortions are beautiful!
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 17, 2012, 10:59:01 PM3/17/12
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getting medical services for early termination.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 17, 2012, 11:04:34 PM3/17/12
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On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
> In article<y8KdneMa3u4upvnS...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
> says...
>>
>> Well, it's a good thing that these child sexual predator enablers who
>> dress like wizards are not actually in charge of making any laws.
>
> For a long, long, long time, the Vatican was in charge of the laws of
> many nations. Ireland, for one, comes to mind. Recently, thanks to the
> freer flow of information and facts, Ireland is beginning to sober up
> from the drugged condition Catholicism had the Irish people in. It'll
> take time, perhaps a century, but they'll get their own legislature
> back.
> South America has a very long way to go to gain control of its own laws
> and legal processes.
> The United States is still struggling to take control of its laws and
> legislatures, even in the U.S. Congress and Senate. The Vatican still
> has control of many of our elected representatives, and it'll be a long
> time, and a lot of elections, before the American people sober up from
> the religious induced stupor that has dominated the law making process
> for so very, very long. (Contraception wasn't always legal, and our
> abortion rights are still in danger.)
The influence of the Catholic Church is vast, far reaching, and still
> In article<y8KdneMa3u4upvnS...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
> says...
>>
>> Well, it's a good thing that these child sexual predator enablers who
>> dress like wizards are not actually in charge of making any laws.
>
> For a long, long, long time, the Vatican was in charge of the laws of
> many nations. Ireland, for one, comes to mind. Recently, thanks to the
> freer flow of information and facts, Ireland is beginning to sober up
> from the drugged condition Catholicism had the Irish people in. It'll
> take time, perhaps a century, but they'll get their own legislature
> back.
> South America has a very long way to go to gain control of its own laws
> and legal processes.
> The United States is still struggling to take control of its laws and
> legislatures, even in the U.S. Congress and Senate. The Vatican still
> has control of many of our elected representatives, and it'll be a long
> time, and a lot of elections, before the American people sober up from
> the religious induced stupor that has dominated the law making process
> for so very, very long. (Contraception wasn't always legal, and our
> abortion rights are still in danger.)
very powerful because they are so wealthy. Democracy can't fix this
easily, in part for the reasons you highlighted. The day the Catholic
Church loses its stronghold on these influences on other countries is
the day that we'll finally start to see real progress like we've never
seen before.
> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> women and men alike!
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
years, we should have reached the moon around the time the Norse
discovered the long boat."
-- Colanth (January 6, 2012)
duke
Mar 18, 2012, 8:45:43 AM3/18/12
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his call for human morals is the driving force.
>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>> women and men alike!
>That's correct.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 18, 2012, 1:22:17 PM3/18/12
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accountability from "the woman/man upstairs" so-to-speak.
>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>> women and men alike!
>
>> That's correct.
>
> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
early termination of pregnancy. This is a clear sign that you have a
desire to control women, particularly our natural right to freedom with
regard to making decisions about our own health.
Your motives appear immature to me.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win."
-- Leonid Brezhnev
W.T.S.
Mar 18, 2012, 1:31:16 PM3/18/12
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In article <34mbm7laltviu2r6h...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
Pure, lying bull shit. "God" is a lie. Your con game no longer works.
Find a new con game.
you'll be in Satan's mouth for your treason against all that is good and
just.
>
> puke, Traitor to Humanity.
@cox.net says...
Find a new con game.
>
> >> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> >> women and men alike!
> >That's correct.
>
> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
We'll both be in the same place, "duke". Or, if you're not lucky,
> >> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> >> women and men alike!
> >That's correct.
>
> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
you'll be in Satan's mouth for your treason against all that is good and
just.
>
> puke, Traitor to Humanity.
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 18, 2012, 1:36:14 PM3/18/12
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>>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>>> women and men alike!
>>> That's correct.
>>
>> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
>
> We'll both be in the same place, "duke". Or, if you're not lucky,
> you'll be in Satan's mouth for your treason against all that is good and
> just.
them anyway.
>> puke, Traitor to Humanity.
>
> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> women and men alike!
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"In a revolution one wins or dies, if it is a real one."
-- Che Guevara
W.T.S.
Mar 18, 2012, 1:39:57 PM3/18/12
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In article <8Ro9r.3199$532...@newsfe14.iad>, god...@fidemturbare.com
says...
"duke", you and your false "Church" have really done it. If you'd
stayed out of the lives and health of women and stuck to the "usual"
cons, you and your "Church" could've gone on for centuries raking in the
cash. Somewhere along the line, you swallowed your own propaganda,
never a good idea. Now it's happening across the land, people are
shouting, "The Pope is ass naked!" You've started something, just like
the selling of indulgences. It'll take a long, long time to register,
but you've really done it! Enjoy.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
says...
stayed out of the lives and health of women and stuck to the "usual"
cons, you and your "Church" could've gone on for centuries raking in the
cash. Somewhere along the line, you swallowed your own propaganda,
never a good idea. Now it's happening across the land, people are
shouting, "The Pope is ass naked!" You've started something, just like
the selling of indulgences. It'll take a long, long time to register,
but you've really done it! Enjoy.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 18, 2012, 1:50:10 PM3/18/12
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is bad in the sense that drug dealers who use the very product their
selling is bad.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives, and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
-- Unknown
W.T.S.
Mar 18, 2012, 5:13:17 PM3/18/12
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In article <hfp9r.7401$GV1....@newsfe12.iad>, god...@fidemturbare.com
> is bad in the sense that drug dealers who use the very product they're
> selling is bad.
>
That's an exact analogy! Centuries of selling the dope of religion,
darkening the land for a tidy profit. Finally, going an inch too far by
using their own junk combined with selling a form of the product just a
little too effective in destroying the lives, futures and health of
women. How much more stupid could the Vatican have gotten?
>
P.S. As old and outdated as the Usenet is, it has been a real education
to me in learning the full extent of the sickness the permeates the
Catholic Church. The posts/responses from the Catholic members of the
Usenet demonstrate just how rotten to the core the RCC has become.
Nothing else could've worked so effectively in informing me of the exact
nature of Catholicism, long overdue for a good _flush_!
> selling is bad.
>
That's an exact analogy! Centuries of selling the dope of religion,
darkening the land for a tidy profit. Finally, going an inch too far by
using their own junk combined with selling a form of the product just a
little too effective in destroying the lives, futures and health of
women. How much more stupid could the Vatican have gotten?
>
P.S. As old and outdated as the Usenet is, it has been a real education
to me in learning the full extent of the sickness the permeates the
Catholic Church. The posts/responses from the Catholic members of the
Usenet demonstrate just how rotten to the core the RCC has become.
Nothing else could've worked so effectively in informing me of the exact
nature of Catholicism, long overdue for a good _flush_!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
duke
Mar 19, 2012, 7:35:09 AM3/19/12
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:22:17 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
No, not a chance of that. The Church provides spiritual leadership as given to
mankind by God almighty. Jesus Christ gave us a new command to love one another
as he loved us. And he went to the cross for us. Those that wish to follow
themselves instead are free to do so, but in the end will answer to God for that
decision.
>>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>>> women and men alike!
>>
>>> That's correct.
>>
>> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
>You're using scare tactics to try to coerce people not to engage in the
>early termination of pregnancy.
Haahaahaa - "early termnation of pregnancy". Sounds cool. But it's the
ultimate act of selfishness - to murder one's own unborn for one's personal
comfort and convenience. Make a baby enjoying the flesh, and if you don't like
it, throw it in the garbage.
> This is a clear sign that you have a
>desire to control women, particularly our natural right to freedom with
>regard to making decisions about our own health.
No, it's a clear sign that one better learn to respect human life or you're
going to find yourself forfeiting your own. It's ok to ignore your eternal
future if you don't complain that you found out you made a mistake.
>Your motives appear immature to me.
Isn't the immature the one who tries to pretend that a human life is ripped
apart in the womb for mommie's comfort and convenience is neat?
mankind by God almighty. Jesus Christ gave us a new command to love one another
as he loved us. And he went to the cross for us. Those that wish to follow
themselves instead are free to do so, but in the end will answer to God for that
decision.
>>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>>> women and men alike!
>>
>>> That's correct.
>>
>> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
>You're using scare tactics to try to coerce people not to engage in the
>early termination of pregnancy.
ultimate act of selfishness - to murder one's own unborn for one's personal
comfort and convenience. Make a baby enjoying the flesh, and if you don't like
it, throw it in the garbage.
> This is a clear sign that you have a
>desire to control women, particularly our natural right to freedom with
>regard to making decisions about our own health.
going to find yourself forfeiting your own. It's ok to ignore your eternal
future if you don't complain that you found out you made a mistake.
>Your motives appear immature to me.
apart in the womb for mommie's comfort and convenience is neat?
duke
Mar 19, 2012, 7:38:23 AM3/19/12
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> If you'd
>stayed out of the lives and health of women and stuck to the "usual"
>cons, you and your "Church" could've gone on for centuries raking in the
>cash. Somewhere along the line, you swallowed your own propaganda,
>never a good idea. Now it's happening across the land, people are
>shouting, "The Pope is ass naked!" You've started something, just like
>the selling of indulgences. It'll take a long, long time to register,
>but you've really done it! Enjoy.
W.T.S.
Mar 19, 2012, 8:22:49 AM3/19/12
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In article <os5em7lv2sbnekdic...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
"God" and "Jesus Christ" are lies, a con game. Find a new con game,
"duke", this one doesn't work so well anymore.
a manipulative lie, a con game. Find a new con game, "duke", this one
doesn't work so well anymore.
convenience of the woman is far, far, more important than _any_ fetus
filth. Yank the damned fetus to pieces, flush it down the toilet! Do
you have a problem with that, "duke"? I sure don't! And, I did, three
times!!!
"comfort and convenience".
By the way, "duke", get a new slogan. Anyone can see through that one!
Sex, good. Catholic Church, a pure abomination!!!
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - Woman Hater!
@cox.net says...
"duke", this one doesn't work so well anymore.
>
> >>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> >>>> women and men alike!
> >>
> >>> That's correct.
> >>
> >> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
Bull shit. Abortion and sterilization are normal and decent. "Hell" is
> >>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> >>>> women and men alike!
> >>
> >>> That's correct.
> >>
> >> And it's a virtual lock on an eternity in the fires of hell for the pursuers.
a manipulative lie, a con game. Find a new con game, "duke", this one
doesn't work so well anymore.
>
> >You're using scare tactics to try to coerce people not to engage in the
> >early termination of pregnancy.
>
> Haahaahaa - "early termnation of pregnancy". Sounds cool. But it's the
> ultimate act of selfishness - to murder one's own unborn for one's personal
> comfort and convenience. Make a baby enjoying the flesh, and if you don't like
> it, throw it in the garbage.
Pure, lying bull shit. It's no baby until birth. The comfort and
> >You're using scare tactics to try to coerce people not to engage in the
> >early termination of pregnancy.
>
> Haahaahaa - "early termnation of pregnancy". Sounds cool. But it's the
> ultimate act of selfishness - to murder one's own unborn for one's personal
> comfort and convenience. Make a baby enjoying the flesh, and if you don't like
> it, throw it in the garbage.
convenience of the woman is far, far, more important than _any_ fetus
filth. Yank the damned fetus to pieces, flush it down the toilet! Do
you have a problem with that, "duke"? I sure don't! And, I did, three
times!!!
>
> > This is a clear sign that you have a
> >desire to control women, particularly our natural right to freedom with
> >regard to making decisions about our own health.
>
> No, it's a clear sign that one better learn to respect human life or you're
> going to find yourself forfeiting your own. It's ok to ignore your eternal
> future if you don't complain that you found out you made a mistake.
Oh, stop your con games, "duke", they're not working.
> > This is a clear sign that you have a
> >desire to control women, particularly our natural right to freedom with
> >regard to making decisions about our own health.
>
> No, it's a clear sign that one better learn to respect human life or you're
> going to find yourself forfeiting your own. It's ok to ignore your eternal
> future if you don't complain that you found out you made a mistake.
>
> >Your motives appear immature to me.
>
> Isn't the immature the one who tries to pretend that a human life is ripped
> apart in the womb for mommie's comfort and convenience is neat?
Let's make your pregnant, "duke", and see how much you value your
> >Your motives appear immature to me.
>
> Isn't the immature the one who tries to pretend that a human life is ripped
> apart in the womb for mommie's comfort and convenience is neat?
"comfort and convenience".
By the way, "duke", get a new slogan. Anyone can see through that one!
Sex, good. Catholic Church, a pure abomination!!!
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - Woman Hater!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
W.T.S.
Mar 19, 2012, 8:25:31 AM3/19/12
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In article <qf6em71vfe6ii7ob5...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
Go ahead, try it, "duke", you and the Pope both. In the end, the
Catholic Church will be on the scrap heap of history.
hangnail. There is no "God", find a new con game.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - Woman Hater.
@cox.net says...
Catholic Church will be on the scrap heap of history.
>
> > If you'd
> >stayed out of the lives and health of women and stuck to the "usual"
> >cons, you and your "Church" could've gone on for centuries raking in the
> >cash. Somewhere along the line, you swallowed your own propaganda,
> >never a good idea. Now it's happening across the land, people are
> >shouting, "The Pope is ass naked!" You've started something, just like
> >the selling of indulgences. It'll take a long, long time to register,
> >but you've really done it! Enjoy.
>
> God demands that I stop you from murdering your unborn baby.
There is no "unborn" baby, you damned fool!!! It's just tissue, like a
> > If you'd
> >stayed out of the lives and health of women and stuck to the "usual"
> >cons, you and your "Church" could've gone on for centuries raking in the
> >cash. Somewhere along the line, you swallowed your own propaganda,
> >never a good idea. Now it's happening across the land, people are
> >shouting, "The Pope is ass naked!" You've started something, just like
> >the selling of indulgences. It'll take a long, long time to register,
> >but you've really done it! Enjoy.
>
> God demands that I stop you from murdering your unborn baby.
hangnail. There is no "God", find a new con game.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - Woman Hater.
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Alan Ferris
Mar 19, 2012, 8:32:04 AM3/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:38:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>God demands that I
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke (Earl Weber),
explaining why it was patriotic for
him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
>God demands that I
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke (Earl Weber),
explaining why it was patriotic for
him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
Alan Ferris
Mar 19, 2012, 8:33:33 AM3/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:35:09 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>No, it's a clear sign that one better learn to respect
A priests view of Duke (Earl Weber)
>No, it's a clear sign that one better learn to respect
"I think, way back been I spent time (wasted, really) trying to get
some idiot from Louisiana (Earl Weber?) to leave y'all the hell
alone." - Rev. Dye
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=B844BF08.33A0A%25htduck.geo%40yahoo.com
"I spoke to some folks on the phone re: Earl Webber. My impression is
that he is either a very sick man, or a very evil man, or quite
possibly both. It's saddenening for me, and frustrating that he won't
leave you in peace." - Rev. Dye
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=B845F14D.33BEE%25htduck.geo%40yahoo.com
=========================
"Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest." - Earl
====
Well, he told me that it was his understanding that you would not be
posting here anymore. If you didn't lie to him outright, you certainly
deceived him.
No, it was not Andy, at least not when I called Fr. Vu. And I don't
have to lie to say I am a priest in good standing, I *am* a priest in
good standing. I tried six ways from Sunday to explain to you why you
ought not post here. I tried an appeal from Christian Charity. I tried
an appeal from good manners. I tried an appeal simply from what is
*right.*
You weren't having any of it.
You embarrass me, Earl. If the Church were even halfway what your
example presents it to be, I'd have left a long time ago.
And as for that nonsense about how you "listen to priests who are in
good standing," I think we all know by now (participants and lurkers
alike) the true value of ANY statement you make.
Rob (a.k.a The Rev. Robert M. Dye, Diocese of Tulsa, Oklahoma)
=============================
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35AD7A9D.233F%40writeme.com&output=gplain
sbalneav
Mar 19, 2012, 10:29:49 AM3/19/12
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That's what your religion says.
>
>>I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
>>to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
>>eternity
>
> Well, you see, actually it doesn't.
own theology?
> Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
> self first above all else.
image", and coupled with his own omnipotence, should have known WAS there.
If you believe the stories in the Bible, God created us broken, then commands
us to fix ourselves.
> God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
> decide and not God.
If you set up someone for failure, and they fail, how can you hold them
responsible for it?
> Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
> were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
> first before all else also just as they did.
we are". God very *specifically* curses them. Please don't make me quote the
relevant passages at you; it will make you look incredibly ignorant of your own
fairy tale.
> Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
> follow God rather than ourselves.
devout Hindu who devotedly follows the tennants of Hinduism his entire life?
> Fourthly, it all starts when we undergo Christian cleansing (baptism) via our
> parents who promise to lead us properly, and then in our own promises to do so
> when we then reach the age of young adult reason.
theology, what is the everlasting fate of someone who does not receive the
Catholic Sacraments?
>>, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem
>>with aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of
>>original sin, but also guilty of rape.
>
> Abortion = still haven't got the message from God.
offspring inherit the sins of the father, but you're unwilling to carry this
to it's logical conclusion.
>>So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
>>has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
> It's murder of one's own unborn for one's own physical comfort and convenience.
> Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be.
You haven't addressed, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, the fundamental point of my
argument, to whit:
Why is it acceptable that the sins of the father are visited on the offspring
IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, but not in this particular case? What makes this case
a special exception?
> Jesus himself gave us a new command
> (actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
> John 13:34.
automatically damning *all* of us to hell unless we actively take steps to
avoid it. He loves us in such a way that he clearly enunciates that the sins
of the father will be visited unto the children. So again, I ask, why does
the Holy Roman Catholic Church have a problem with abortion in the case of
rape?
>>The kid deserves it.
>>I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
>>Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>
> Now you too know.
linuxgal
Mar 19, 2012, 7:34:58 AM3/19/12
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W.T.S. wrote:
> Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
> complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
> have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
> abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
> expense.
Not just Christians, but any hardcore Libertarian. Do whatever you
> Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
> complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
> have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
> abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
> expense.
want, just not on my nickel.
Paul Duca
Mar 19, 2012, 10:42:49 PM3/19/12
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On Mar 19, 7:35 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:22:17 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
>
>
> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> >> goddess"<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:22:17 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
>
>
> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
> >>> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
> >>>> In article<y8KdneMa3u4upvnSnZ2dnUVZ_smdn...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
> >>> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
when you get her knocked up, and DEMANDS you help support YOUR child?
Don't worry...by then she certainly won't want to MARRY you.
Paul
Paul Duca
Mar 19, 2012, 10:46:45 PM3/19/12
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it's alright to interfere with people's sexual issues, regardless of
who is or isn't paying--because the hard-core GOP who vote in the
primaries want that.
Paul
Paul Duca
Mar 19, 2012, 10:44:17 PM3/19/12
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On Mar 19, 8:32 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
(I just think that his mommy wouldn't let him go and have sex with
hookers while on leave)
Paul
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 06:38:23 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >God demands that I
>
> "Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
> -Duke (Earl Weber),
> explaining why it was patriotic for
> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
Funny...he told me he served Stateside working in a defense plant.
> >God demands that I
>
> "Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
> -Duke (Earl Weber),
> explaining why it was patriotic for
> him to skip out on Vietnam, 3/30/2004
(I just think that his mommy wouldn't let him go and have sex with
hookers while on leave)
Paul
W.T.S.
Mar 20, 2012, 1:31:44 AM3/20/12
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In article <Fd-dnaTS4fWtcPrS...@giganews.com>,
linu...@cleanposts.com says...
Pay with a nickel for prevention or a dollar for cure, but you _will_
pay.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
linu...@cleanposts.com says...
pay.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
duke
Mar 20, 2012, 8:34:22 AM3/20/12
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W.T.S.
Mar 20, 2012, 11:28:29 AM3/20/12
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In article <s7ugm71enfmrptk30...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
No, the sock puppet "God" is on the Pope's hand.
>
> duke
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
>
> duke
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
duke
Mar 20, 2012, 2:50:32 PM3/20/12
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>>>I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
>>>to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
>>>eternity
>>
>> Well, you see, actually it doesn't.
>
>Sure it does. That's what "original sin" is. Are you THAT unaware of your
>own theology?
>> Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
>> self first above all else.
>Which, of course, God knowingly put there, as he created them "after his own
>image", and coupled with his own omnipotence, should have known WAS there.
decide and not God.
>If you believe the stories in the Bible, God created us broken, then commands
>us to fix ourselves.
>> God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
>> decide and not God.
>As God supposedly knew they would.
Stay alert.
>If you set up someone for failure, and they fail, how can you hold them
>responsible for it?
>> Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
>> were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
>> first before all else also just as they did.
>That is *not* what the bible says.
decision. That's exactly what human beings do every day and so they will pay.
Live carefully.
> It's not simply a case of "so they were, so
>we are". God very *specifically* curses them. Please don't make me quote the
>relevant passages at you; it will make you look incredibly ignorant of your own
>fairy tale.
or with satan in the flames. Choose carefully.
>> Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
>> follow God rather than ourselves.
>So, answer me this question: according to your theology, what is the fate of a
>devout Hindu who devotedly follows the tennants of Hinduism his entire life?
a live of love towards his fellow human beings will live in one of them. Unlike
you atheists, a hindu doesn't know better.
>> Fourthly, it all starts when we undergo Christian cleansing (baptism) via our
>> parents who promise to lead us properly, and then in our own promises to do so
>> when we then reach the age of young adult reason.
>Again, I ask the above question; Hindus are not Baptized. According to your
>theology, what is the everlasting fate of someone who does not receive the
>Catholic Sacraments?
In the end, it's all boils down to "love one another as I have loved you". John
13:34.
>>>, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem
>>>with aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of
>>>original sin, but also guilty of rape.
>> Abortion = still haven't got the message from God.
>No, it's an inconsistency in your idiotic myth. Your religion preaches that
>offspring inherit the sins of the father, but you're unwilling to carry this
>to it's logical conclusion.
and is thus cleansed of original sin. But like unbaptized babies that die
without baptism, we can't answer except to profess our belief that God cares for
the dead infants in his own way, and the hindu if they lived a lifestyle as
called for that Christians are intimately familiar with.
>>>So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
>>>has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>> It's murder of one's own unborn for one's own physical comfort and convenience.
>> Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be.
>No, it's visiting the sins of the father on the children.
>You haven't addressed, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, the fundamental point of my
>argument, to whit:
>Why is it acceptable that the sins of the father are visited on the offspring
>IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, but not in this particular case? What makes this case
>a special exception?
did make it clear that we are seen in accordance with our individual faiths.
>> Jesus himself gave us a new command
>> (actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
>> John 13:34.
>He loved us in such a manner that he supposedly invested us with original sin,
extraordinarily easy to overcome in Christian baptism which, after all, a simple
decision on our part.
>automatically damning *all* of us to hell unless we actively take steps to
>avoid it. He loves us in such a way that he clearly enunciates that the sins
>of the father will be visited unto the children. So again, I ask, why does
>the Holy Roman Catholic Church have a problem with abortion in the case of
>rape?
can say no.
>>>The kid deserves it.
>>>I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
>>>Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>>
>> Now you too know.
>
>I already know; it's you who's still fumbling in the dark.
duke
Mar 20, 2012, 2:51:22 PM3/20/12
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W.T.S.
Mar 20, 2012, 3:03:49 PM3/20/12
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In article <gckhm7dskin5itefq...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
Beside the Pope, I'm a real life Saint, "duke". And where ever I am
after death, you'll be with me. If there is a Hell, and there isn't,
lucky for you, I'll get to watch Satan chew, swallow, digest, excrete,
repeat, you for all eternity. You are a traitor, "duke", to all
humanity and all that is good and decent.
>
> puke, Catholic Con Man.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
after death, you'll be with me. If there is a Hell, and there isn't,
lucky for you, I'll get to watch Satan chew, swallow, digest, excrete,
repeat, you for all eternity. You are a traitor, "duke", to all
humanity and all that is good and decent.
>
> puke, Catholic Con Man.
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
Alan Ferris
Mar 20, 2012, 3:19:03 PM3/20/12
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:51:22 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Not I nor the Pope can do that, wanker. It's all in God's hands.
>>No, the sock puppet "God" is on the Pope's hand.
>
>You're a really evil person, wanker. The fires could be extra hot for you.
James 26:13 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not
>>> Not I nor the Pope can do that, wanker. It's all in God's hands.
>>No, the sock puppet "God" is on the Pope's hand.
>
>You're a really evil person, wanker. The fires could be extra hot for you.
bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, his religion
is vain.
sbalneav
Mar 20, 2012, 5:28:11 PM3/20/12
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that. So why is the Catholic Church trying to overrule God?
>>>>I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
>>>>to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
>>>>eternity
>>>
>>> Well, you see, actually it doesn't.
>>
>>Sure it does. That's what "original sin" is. Are you THAT unaware of your
>>own theology?
>
> Original sin is telling God we are his equal. You did't understand this?
thing, why not do what he says?
You're making a lot of noise, but still not providing a rationalization.
>>> Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
>>> self first above all else.
>
>>Which, of course, God knowingly put there, as he created them "after his own
>>image", and coupled with his own omnipotence, should have known WAS there.
>
> Doesn't matter who put it there. God said "do not...." and A&E said they'd
> decide and not God.
1) Gave them the propensity to say "We'll decide"
2) Should have known ahead of time what the result would be.
I'm not exactly prescient myself, but I do have a fairly good grasp of
how the world operates. If I try to perform the "plate spinning trick"
on the end of poles with my good china, and the plates fall off and
break, I can hardly be pissed off at the situation; I knew that there
was a risk that would happen when I started. God's in an even worse
situation; he supposedly MADE Adam and Eve how they were, and according
to Catholic doctrine, he can see the future. He KNEW how things
were going to turn out.
So, again, why the punishment?
>
>>If you believe the stories in the Bible, God created us broken, then commands
>>us to fix ourselves.
>>> God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
>>> decide and not God.
>>As God supposedly knew they would.
>
> And he also knows our own final decision, but WE don't know our final decision.
> Stay alert.
>>If you set up someone for failure, and they fail, how can you hold them
>>responsible for it?
>
> Good judgment which also comes from God..
Cognitive dissonance kicking in?
>>> Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
>>> were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
>>> first before all else also just as they did.
>
>>That is *not* what the bible says.
>
> Yes it is. Exactly. They decided it was their right to decide and not God's
> decision. That's exactly what human beings do every day and so they will pay.
> Live carefully.
evil, it can be assumed that they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil,
right? So, how can they be held accountable for deciding to find out for
themselves? They wouldn't have known disobeying God was an evil act.
>> It's not simply a case of "so they were, so
>>we are". God very *specifically* curses them. Please don't make me quote the
>>relevant passages at you; it will make you look incredibly ignorant of your own
>>fairy tale.
>
> No, he does no such thing. He allows us our final decision, with him in heaven
> or with satan in the flames. Choose carefully.
Genesis 3:17-19:
17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the
tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
You might actually want to try *reading* that book you beleive in.
>>> Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
>>> follow God rather than ourselves.
>
>>So, answer me this question: according to your theology, what is the fate of a
>>devout Hindu who devotedly follows the tennants of Hinduism his entire life?
>
> God says his kingdom has many mansions. A hindu that doesn't know God but lives
> a live of love towards his fellow human beings will live in one of them. Unlike
> you atheists, a hindu doesn't know better.
>
>>> Fourthly, it all starts when we undergo Christian cleansing (baptism) via our
>>> parents who promise to lead us properly, and then in our own promises to do so
>>> when we then reach the age of young adult reason.
>
>>Again, I ask the above question; Hindus are not Baptized. According to your
>>theology, what is the everlasting fate of someone who does not receive the
>>Catholic Sacraments?
>
> Nor do they know of it like you do.
never received the Catholic sacraments.
>
> In the end, it's all boils down to "love one another as I have loved you". John
> 13:34.
>
>>>>, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem
>>>>with aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of
>>>>original sin, but also guilty of rape.
>
>>> Abortion = still haven't got the message from God.
>
>>No, it's an inconsistency in your idiotic myth. Your religion preaches that
>>offspring inherit the sins of the father, but you're unwilling to carry this
>>to it's logical conclusion.
>
> The obvious conclusion is that one receives the Christian Sacrament of Baptism
> and is thus cleansed of original sin. But like unbaptized babies that die
> without baptism, we can't answer except to profess our belief that God cares for
> the dead infants in his own way, and the hindu if they lived a lifestyle as
> called for that Christians are intimately familiar with.
>
>>>>So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church
>>>>has got it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
>>> It's murder of one's own unborn for one's own physical comfort and convenience.
>>> Now how disgusting and unGodly can that be.
>
>>No, it's visiting the sins of the father on the children.
>
> But in your case, it's mommie "visiting those sins" on them.
>>You haven't addressed, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, the fundamental point of my
>>argument, to whit:
>
>>Why is it acceptable that the sins of the father are visited on the offspring
>>IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, but not in this particular case? What makes this case
>>a special exception?
>
> I can't possibly explain what God hasn't made known to me. But God in the NT
> did make it clear that we are seen in accordance with our individual faiths.
>
>>> Jesus himself gave us a new command
>>> (actually somewhat of a new wording) that we love one another as he loved us.
>>> John 13:34.
>
>>He loved us in such a manner that he supposedly invested us with original sin,
>
> Any way you put it, it's still a) a natural sinfulness in all men, and b)
> extraordinarily easy to overcome in Christian baptism which, after all, a simple
> decision on our part.
>
>>automatically damning *all* of us to hell unless we actively take steps to
>>avoid it. He loves us in such a way that he clearly enunciates that the sins
>>of the father will be visited unto the children. So again, I ask, why does
>>the Holy Roman Catholic Church have a problem with abortion in the case of
>>rape?
>
> Not automatic. Becuase you have the opportunity to be baptized. It's you that
> can say no.
baptisms until the age of 18 when I wasn't looking?
>>>>The kid deserves it.
>>>>I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary.
>>>>Check with your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>>>
>>> Now you too know.
>>
>>I already know; it's you who's still fumbling in the dark.
>
> I rest my case.
does have a rest state, so technically, you're not incorrect.
Budikka666
Mar 20, 2012, 5:43:30 PM3/20/12
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Budikka writes:
> On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>>
>> Having
>>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well
>>> aware, one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions.
>>> Without that, the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>>
>> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2014:18&version=KJV
>
> 18The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
> transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the
> iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
> generation.
>
> Unto, duke, *unto*. So, the sins are visited to the first, second,
> third and fourth generation.
>
> On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbal...@alburg.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>> morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father
>>>
>>> Christians should have no problem with abortions in cases of rape.
>>
>> It's still a human baby and not somebody else's right to murder it.
>>
>> Having
>>> the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well
>>> aware, one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions.
>>> Without that, the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.
>>
>> The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.
>
> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2014:18&version=KJV
>
> 18The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
> transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the
> iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
> generation.
>
> Unto, duke, *unto*. So, the sins are visited to the first, second,
> third and fourth generation.
>
> So, since the father committed a crime of rape (and the mother too,
> probably, since the little slut was dressed so sexy), the kid's gotta
> pay for that sin, right?
>
> probably, since the little slut was dressed so sexy), the kid's gotta
> pay for that sin, right?
>
> I mean, if some schmuck in a garden ate some fruit he wasn't supposed
> to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
> eternity, and that's considered *just*, then there's no problem with
> to, and that damns all of humanity to hell automatically for all
> aborting the kid, who by extention, is not only guilty of original sin,
> but also guilty of rape.
>
> but also guilty of rape.
>
> So I really don't understand why the Holy Roman Catholic Church has got
> it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
> it's panties in a twist over abortion.
>
> The kid deserves it.
>
> I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary. Check with
> your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>
>
> I'd love to hear some kind of rationalizaton to the contrary. Check with
> your Bishop and let us all know what he says.
>
>> duke, American - American
>>
>> *****
>> 1 John 3:4-6
>> 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But
>> you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in
>> him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who
>> continues to sin has either seen him or known him. *****
I think we all agree that Duck & Run is a blathering moron - he's a
>>
>> *****
>> 1 John 3:4-6
>> 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But
>> you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in
>> him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who
>> continues to sin has either seen him or known him. *****
theist, after all. The problem isn't that he's a blathering moron, but
that so many people let him and his ilk get away with blathering horse-
shit from the Bible without first *forcing* them to actually establish
the authority *they* claim the Bible has!
Budikka
Paul Duca
Mar 20, 2012, 10:07:43 PM3/20/12
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On Mar 20, 8:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:25:31 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <qf6em71vfe6ii7ob5eevnht2alu3m7f...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:39:57 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <8Ro9r.3199$532....@newsfe14.iad>, godd...@fidemturbare.com
> Not I nor the Pope can do that, wanker. It's all in God's hands. And it They go down my pants, so be it.
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:25:31 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <qf6em71vfe6ii7ob5eevnht2alu3m7f...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:39:57 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <8Ro9r.3199$532....@newsfe14.iad>, godd...@fidemturbare.com
> >> >says...
> >> >> On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >> >> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> >> >> > goddess"<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >> >> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
> >> >> >> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
> >> >> >>> In article<y8KdneMa3u4upvnSnZ2dnUVZ_smdn...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
> >> >> >> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
Paul Duca
Mar 20, 2012, 10:13:04 PM3/20/12
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On Mar 20, 2:50 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
> >In alt.atheism duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
It does make me understand why Duke so likes those who tell HIM others
are his inferior.
>
> >> Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
> >> self first above all else.
> >Which, of course, God knowingly put there, as he created them "after his own
> >image", and coupled with his own omnipotence, should have known WAS there.
>
> Doesn't matter who put it there. God said "do not...." and A&E said they'd
> decide and not God.
>
> >If you believe the stories in the Bible, God created us broken, then commands
> >us to fix ourselves.
> >> God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
> >> decide and not God.
> >As God supposedly knew they would.
>
> And he also knows our own final decision, but WE don't know our final decision.
> Stay alert.
>
> >If you set up someone for failure, and they fail, how can you hold them
> >responsible for it?
>
> Good judgment which also comes from God. like wealth and power and status.
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
> >In alt.atheism duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:11 -0500, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> >>>On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav<sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> >>>On 12-03-16 07:04 AM, duke wrote:
>
> >>>>> In alt.atheism J<jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
are his inferior.
>
> >> Firstly, fruit was just a prop. The sin was man's natural propensity to put
> >> self first above all else.
> >Which, of course, God knowingly put there, as he created them "after his own
> >image", and coupled with his own omnipotence, should have known WAS there.
>
> Doesn't matter who put it there. God said "do not...." and A&E said they'd
> decide and not God.
>
> >If you believe the stories in the Bible, God created us broken, then commands
> >us to fix ourselves.
> >> God said "do not ....", and A&E said they would
> >> decide and not God.
> >As God supposedly knew they would.
>
> And he also knows our own final decision, but WE don't know our final decision.
> Stay alert.
>
> >If you set up someone for failure, and they fail, how can you hold them
> >responsible for it?
>
>
> >> Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
> >> were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
> >> first before all else also just as they did.
> >That is *not* what the bible says.
>
> Yes it is. Exactly. They decided it was their right to decide and not God's
> decision. That's exactly what human beings do every day and so they will pay.
> Live carefully. It will NEVER be as good in Catholic Heaven.
> >> Secondly, as the first of the human species of which we too are human, what they
> >> were is what we are. Hence is it our natural pattern as human to put ourselves
> >> first before all else also just as they did.
> >That is *not* what the bible says.
>
> Yes it is. Exactly. They decided it was their right to decide and not God's
> decision. That's exactly what human beings do every day and so they will pay.
>
> > It's not simply a case of "so they were, so
> >we are". God very *specifically* curses them. Please don't make me quote the
> >relevant passages at you; it will make you look incredibly ignorant of your own
> >fairy tale.
>
> No, he does no such thing. He allows us our final decision, with him in heaven
> or someplace not boring as hell. Choose carefully.
> > It's not simply a case of "so they were, so
> >we are". God very *specifically* curses them. Please don't make me quote the
> >relevant passages at you; it will make you look incredibly ignorant of your own
> >fairy tale.
>
> No, he does no such thing. He allows us our final decision, with him in heaven
>
> >> Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
> >> follow God rather than ourselves.
> >So, answer me this question: according to your theology, what is the fate of a
> >devout Hindu who devotedly follows the tennants of Hinduism his entire life?
>
> God says his kingdom has many mansions. A hindu that doesn't know God but lives
> a live of love towards his fellow human beings will live in one of them--of course, not as nice as MINE.
> >> Thirdly, as is evident, we overcome this problem by our **elective** desire to
> >> follow God rather than ourselves.
> >So, answer me this question: according to your theology, what is the fate of a
> >devout Hindu who devotedly follows the tennants of Hinduism his entire life?
>
> God says his kingdom has many mansions. A hindu that doesn't know God but lives
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 20, 2012, 10:30:52 PM3/20/12
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In article <a0mhm7hrf2n4begcg...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
€€ good one Alan.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Mar 20, 2012, 11:30:50 PM3/20/12
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> P.S. As old and outdated as the Usenet is, it has been a real education
> to me in learning the full extent of the sickness the permeates the
> Catholic Church. The posts/responses from the Catholic members of the
> Usenet demonstrate just how rotten to the core the RCC has become.
> Nothing else could've worked so effectively in informing me of the exact
> nature of Catholicism, long overdue for a good _flush_!
severe that I wonder if it might be a disease that could be cured with
some medicine? Unfortunately, because progress has been hindered for so
long by superstition and religion, we're probably not going to figure
this out for quite some time yet.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they
often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do
little harm, for everyone takes a salutary pleasure in proving their
falseness."
-- Charles Darwin
SkyEyes
Mar 21, 2012, 1:21:16 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 14, 11:53 pm, SLIPPERY <mccthy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 5:31 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> > > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> > > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> > >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>
> > > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> > > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> > > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> > > “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> > > can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> > > and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> > > president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> > > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> > > from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> > > solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> > > lives, not one.”
>
> > > --
> > > J Young
> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>
> > Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
> > of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
> > of rape?
>
> > And we should care...why?
>
> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>
> Hey it dont work like that those funny old men in dresses have sworn
> an oath and are respected members of justice and law
By whom?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
> On Mar 15, 5:31 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:46 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> > > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> > > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> > >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>
> > > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
> > > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
> > > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>
> > > “Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason that
> > > can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the tragic
> > > and sad case of rape,” Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
> > > president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agency.
>
> > > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
> > > from the bishops' conference affirming that “abortion is never the
> > > solution” and that “when a woman is pregnant, we are talking about two
> > > lives, not one.”
>
> > > --
> > > J Young
> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>
> > Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
> > of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
> > of rape?
>
> > And we should care...why?
>
> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>
> Hey it dont work like that those funny old men in dresses have sworn
> an oath and are respected members of justice and law
By whom?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
SkyEyes
Mar 21, 2012, 1:23:14 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 14, 11:02 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>
> A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> sperm donor.
>
> An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> What the bishops are speaking out on is the perverted extension of the
> horrific crime of rape through the entirely unreasonable and irrational
> insistence that family values are not important -- any woman who does
> not wish to have children, or who wishes to selectively breed with a
> particular man or men, should not have to have her freedoms arbitrarily
> removed through the denial of her natural right to consent as dictated
> by some uncompassionate black-and-white doctrine.
It's because the bishops - and the Catlick church in general - worship
pregnancy (fecundity). They don't care about the woman, and aside
from rape-bait, they don't care about the child. They only care that
the pregnancy be maintained.
<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-14 21:46, J wrote:> Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
> > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>
> [snip -- quoted article]
> > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted upon
> > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It is
> > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
> > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapist.
> > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>
> >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr...
>
>
> A rapist is not a father, for he is nothing more than a non-consentual
> sperm donor.
>
> An unintended pregnancy is a terrible burden (more so than an intented
> pregnancy), and forcing any woman against her will to give birth to
> appease an unwanted sperm donor is an immoral crime against humanity.
>
> What the bishops are speaking out on is the perverted extension of the
> horrific crime of rape through the entirely unreasonable and irrational
> insistence that family values are not important -- any woman who does
> not wish to have children, or who wishes to selectively breed with a
> particular man or men, should not have to have her freedoms arbitrarily
> removed through the denial of her natural right to consent as dictated
> by some uncompassionate black-and-white doctrine.
It's because the bishops - and the Catlick church in general - worship
pregnancy (fecundity). They don't care about the woman, and aside
from rape-bait, they don't care about the child. They only care that
the pregnancy be maintained.
SkyEyes
Mar 21, 2012, 2:17:10 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 20, 8:30 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> > In article<hfp9r.7401$GV1.6...@newsfe12.iad>, godd...@fidemturbare.com
Stupidity *is* a disease, but not one that can be fixed with
medicine. Which comic is it who has the tagline, "Yew cain't fix
stupid!"
> > In article<hfp9r.7401$GV1.6...@newsfe12.iad>, godd...@fidemturbare.com
> > says...
> >> On 2012-Mar-18 10:39, W.T.S. wrote:
> >>> In article<8Ro9r.3199$532....@newsfe14.iad>, godd...@fidemturbare.com
> >> On 2012-Mar-18 10:39, W.T.S. wrote:
> >>> says...
> >>>> On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> >>>>> goddess"<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2012-Mar-18 05:45, duke wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:04:34 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
> >>>>>> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article<y8KdneMa3u4upvnSnZ2dnUVZ_smdn...@sigecom.net>, n...@thanks.com
> >>>>>> On 2012-Mar-17 01:02, W.T.S. wrote:
medicine. Which comic is it who has the tagline, "Yew cain't fix
stupid!"
John Baker
Mar 21, 2012, 3:35:37 AM3/21/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Mar 21, 2012, 5:28:21 AM3/21/12
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In article
<3082efaf-c15d-4c1a...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 11:53=A0pm, SLIPPERY <mccthy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 15, 5:31=A0am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>on
>> > > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It =
> that
>> > > can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the trag=
>ic
>> > > and sad case of rape,=94 Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
>> > > president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agen=
>> > > solution=94 and that =93when a woman is pregnant, we are talking abou=
>t two
>> > > lives, not one.=94
coverup, and the attack on victims. .
<3082efaf-c15d-4c1a...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 11:53=A0pm, SLIPPERY <mccthy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 15, 5:31=A0am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 14, 9:46=A0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> > > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>> > > baby is not going to undo the harm that has already been inflicted up=
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 14, 9:46=A0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Rape is one of the most horrible crimes a woman can suffer and she is
>> > > deserving of the public's full support. However, to kill an innocent
>on
>> > > the mother; it is the court's duty to punish the father severely. It =
>is
>> > > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>> > > abort his child only places the mother on the same level as her rapis=
>> > > morally wrong to punish the child for the sins of the father and to
>t.
>> > > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>>
>> > >http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentinean-bishops-decry-appr.=
>> > > The bishops are to be congratulated for speaking out.
>>
>..
>>
>> > > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
>> > > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
>> > > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>>
>> > > =93Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and there is no reason=
>>
>> > > Buenos Aires, Argentina, Mar 14, 2012 / 12:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).-
>> > > Bishops in Argentina condemned a March 13 ruling by the country's
>> > > Supreme Court legalizing abortion in cases of rape.
>>
> that
>> > > can justify the elimination of an innocent life, not even in the trag=
>ic
>> > > and sad case of rape,=94 Archbishop Jose Maria Arancedo of Santa Fe,
>> > > president of the Argentinean bishops' conference, told AICA news agen=
>cy.
>>
>> > > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
>> > > from the bishops' conference affirming that =93abortion is never the
>>
>> > > Archbishop Arancedo additionally pointed to an August 2011 statement
>> > > solution=94 and that =93when a woman is pregnant, we are talking abou=
>t two
>> > > lives, not one.=94
>>
>> > > --
>> > > J Young
>> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>>
>> > Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
>> > of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
>> > of rape?
>>
>> > And we should care...why?
>>
>> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>>
>> Hey it dont work like that those funny old men in dresses have sworn
>> an oath and are respected members of justice and law
>
>By whom?
• By those who are unfamiliar with the altar-boy scandal. the ongoing
>> > > --
>> > > J Young
>> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>>
>> > Supposedly celibate old men in funny dresses want to control the lives
>> > of women and make a horrible crime worse by making them bear the fruit
>> > of rape?
>>
>> > And we should care...why?
>>
>> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>>
>> Hey it dont work like that those funny old men in dresses have sworn
>> an oath and are respected members of justice and law
>
>By whom?
coverup, and the attack on victims. .
>
>Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
duke
Mar 21, 2012, 6:57:19 AM3/21/12
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:30:50 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> That's an exact analogy! Centuries of selling the dope of religion,
>> darkening the land for a tidy profit. Finally, going an inch too far by
>> using their own junk combined with selling a form of the product just a
>> little too effective in destroying the lives, futures and health of
>> women. How much more stupid could the Vatican have gotten?
>
>It depends on how much money they've got left.
It just keeps coming in.
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> That's an exact analogy! Centuries of selling the dope of religion,
>> darkening the land for a tidy profit. Finally, going an inch too far by
>> using their own junk combined with selling a form of the product just a
>> little too effective in destroying the lives, futures and health of
>> women. How much more stupid could the Vatican have gotten?
>
>It depends on how much money they've got left.
>> P.S. As old and outdated as the Usenet is, it has been a real education
>> to me in learning the full extent of the sickness the permeates the
>> Catholic Church. The posts/responses from the Catholic members of the
>> Usenet demonstrate just how rotten to the core the RCC has become.
>> Nothing else could've worked so effectively in informing me of the exact
>> nature of Catholicism, long overdue for a good _flush_!
>It's an unfortunate state of reality. Sometimes the stupidity is so
>severe that I wonder if it might be a disease that could be cured with
>some medicine? Unfortunately, because progress has been hindered for so
>long by superstition and religion, we're probably not going to figure
>this out for quite some time yet.
duke
Mar 21, 2012, 7:07:38 AM3/21/12
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I see my soul going one way and yours the other way. Now the God that willed
the universe into existence will have no problem reanimating our soul. You
won't need a new one because it will likely burn away again in the flames.
Enjoy your time on earth, old lady. 70 years is likely all you'll get out of
eternity.
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