Re: Abortion issue - so what?

[Johnny Football]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:55:58 -0700 (PDT), Robert H
<cra...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Abortion, it's been around for hundreds of years. It's not going to go
>anywhere. Yet, it's one of the most divisive issues in the world. It
>can pit man against woman, woman against man, man against man, and
>woman against woman. People get violent over the issue.
>
>But why? We are all adults and just look at how people attack each
>other in this newsgroup alone. I mean hate! Pure, hate, and
>nastiness. Why? Because our opinions are not the same? I mean
>really? Think about it, people act like children!
>
>Ok, so I don't think abortion is right. So what? Is that going to kill
>you? Is that going to change your life? Is that going to cause you
>to lose sleep? I certainly hope not, because if my opinion causes that
>you got bigger problems than just my opinion not being in align with
>yours.
>
>So you think abortion is great. So what? I don't care. I just don't
>agree, that's all.
>
>But look at how we respond to each other, grown adults. "pro-liar".
>"forced-birther" and so many other unnecessary comments, all because
>we don't agree.
>
>Not one of us, not one single person can actually justify their
>behavior in here towards others. And that includes myself.
>
>Grow up!! Lets act like adults, if that's possible.


I heard that. Abortion is just a hot button used by the Southern
Regional Party as they don't have much else in their arsenal. Abortion
is like prostituion and neither is going anywhere. I say, if you
don't want an abortion, don't have one!

[Robert H]

I agree, but the problem is we have people who take it way too far to
the extreme, and that's on both sides of the issue.

Like I said, I personally think it's wrong. But you're not going to
see me blowing up buildings, killing doctors, or walking in front of
clinics with signs.

[The Echo Chamber]

You threatened to kill one of the regulars hear for "running his mouth". What makes you think we should trust you to not do any of the things you say you won't?

[elizabeth]

> You threatened to kill one of the regulars hear for "running his mouth".  What makes you think we should trust you to not do any of the things you say you won't?- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Oh, Robert "J" "Oopsey Heishman has made so many threats, veiled and
open, over the years, and he follows the tradition of all sociopaths
to blame others for what he does

[Thrinaxodon]

On Jun 7, 9:17 pm, Johnny Football <johnny_footb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Abortion, unlike prostitution, is *morally* justified. The fetus is
not conscience. I agree,with the, "If you don`t want an abortion,
don`t have one."

--
Thrinaxodon

[Stewart]

"Thrinaxodon" <biol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cf17494-9c13-4e76...@10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...

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Same can be said for prostitution. If you don't want a prostitute,
don't have one.

[Robert H]

At what point of the pregnancy do you feel abortion should not be a
free elective?

At some point the fetus is viable.



>
> --
> Thrinaxodon

[elizabeth]

Aswqad, they don't abort viable fetuses when the pregnancy must be
ended for health reasons. They induce labor or perform a C section.

Read some OB/GYN texts so you won't sound so motherfucking
daughterraping stupid

[Robert H]

On Jun 16, 9:23 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:04:33 -0700 (PDT), Robert H
> <craz...@comcast.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <c899c901-53e2-45a4-9bbe-834fe8083...@v2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>

> wrote:
>
> >At some point the fetus is viable.
>

> Then remove it and let it live on it's own.

In your normal fashion, you're being stupid and avoiding the question
I had asked.


>
> --
> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> Every illegal alien is a criminal.
> No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
> Deportation upon identification as the only option.
>
> Religion is the worst monstrosity ever fostered upon the
> human species. Only mental defectives would pay the
> slightest attention to it.
>
> Why should any religion be considered a foreign nation
> with Ambassadors and diplomatic immunity?
>
> Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government
> guaranteed above average income for every person.
>
> You are more likely to by kicked to death than to be killed
> by a rifle or a shotgun in the US.

[Shoe Chucker]

In article
<7cf17494-9c13-4e76...@10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,

Sometimes, just sometimes abortion is the best medical treatment to save
a woman's life.
and we don't need government pushing a minority's "religious" beliefs
onto to people who might have another religion.
it's called separation of church and state. FYI.
Abortion is a medical decision best made with your doctor.
--
Politics; what a concept!

[Dakota]

Prostitution is not, in itself, immoral except in the eyes of
religious busybodies. It is sex between consenting adults. However,
the fact that religious busybodies have made it illegal has led to the
widespread exploitation of women by criminal elements in society.

[elizabeth]

Exploiting women and all of the poor has nothing to do with legality, it has to do with male bullying and female compliance. If women simply killed, by whatever means necessary, all abusive males, we could end both prostitution and other problems. Prostitutes don't do well, look at the rate of homicide, suicide, and drug use among "sex workers" who will insist they chose that line of work and enjoy doing it.

[Shoe Chucker]

In article <kp9k9j$iva$1...@dont-email.me>, "Stewart" <gort...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Believe it not. there are still some people who would just love to shove
their "religion" down yo throat.
It has a lot to do with their close minded views about SEX.
Let hope they heal.
--
Karma ; what a concept!

[Shoe-Chucker 2]

In article <cl1sr8pj1sdegcuoi...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT), Robert H
> <cra...@comcast.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <78845270-0563-4752...@20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 16, 9:23�am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:04:33 -0700 (PDT), Robert H
> >> <craz...@comcast.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <c899c901-53e2-45a4-9bbe-834fe8083...@v2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >At some point the fetus is viable.
> >>
> >> Then remove it and let it live on it's own.
> >
> >In your normal fashion, you're being stupid and avoiding the question
> >I had asked.
> >
>

> You poised a problem. I gave a solution.

and; the Catholic Death Panels get sued!
I hope the ACLU wins
https://www.aclu.org/religion-belief-womens-rights/aclu-sues-bishops-beha
lf-pregnant-woman-denied-care-catholic-hospital

> > > > The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Michigan have filed a
> > > > lawsuit on behalf of a pregnant woman who miscarried and was denied
> > > > appropriate medical treatment because the only hospital in her county is
> > > > required to abide by religious directives. The directives, written by the
> > > > United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, prohibited that hospital
> > > > from complying with the applicable standard of care in this case.

terminating her pregnancy was an option and the safest course for her
condition.

"The best interests of the patient must always come first and this
in a crisis situation was put at risk because religious directives were
allowed to interfere with her medical care. Patients should not be
forced
to suffer because of a hospital�s religious affiliation."
Because she received neither the information nor the care appropriate
for
her condition, Means was unable to direct her course of treatment and

suffered unnecessarily. Her story is not unique. Research, including
that
of Lori R. Freedman, PhD, and Debra B. Stulberg, MD, recounts other

stories of patients being denied information and appropriate care at
hospitals bound by the bishops� directives.
Based the "care" they were giving her, she would have did have died
had she not started to miscarriage right in front of those bastards.

[elizabeth]

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:50:10 AM UTC-8, Shoe-Chucker 2 wrote:
> In article <cl1sr8pj1sdegcuoi...@4ax.com>,
snip

>
>
>
> terminating her pregnancy was an option and the safest course for her
>
> condition.
>

This is why, in my day, most Catholics gave birth at NON CATHOLIC hospitals, because they didn't want to die. Bad Tx killed a lot of women, because priority was always given to the fetus, which usually died with the woman anyway!

And this is part of the talmud . . . never "rescinded" anywhere in the bible even though abortion was common then, the woman always takes priority. So, even though the bible does not talk about OB/GYN matters, because it squicked out the males writing the stuff, they just left that to the women to deal with. The women had their own trads.

[W.T.S.]

In article <2e01f2b1-1c2a-49b7...@googlegroups.com>,
elizabet...@gmail.com says...

> On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:50:10 AM UTC-8, Shoe-Chucker 2 wrote:
> > In article <cl1sr8pj1sdegcuoi...@4ax.com>,
> snip
> >
> > terminating her pregnancy was an option and the safest course for
> > her condition.
> >
> This is why, in my day, most Catholics gave birth at NON CATHOLIC
> hospitals, because they didn't want to die. Bad Tx killed a lot of
> women, because priority was always given to the fetus, which
> usually died with the woman anyway!
> And this is part of the talmud . . . never "rescinded" anywhere in the
> bible even though abortion was common then, the woman always takes
> priority. So, even though the bible does not talk about
> OB/GYN matters, because it squicked out the males writing the stuff,
> they just left that to the women to deal with. The women had their
> own trads.
>
> > "The best interests of the patient must always come first and this
> > in a crisis situation was put at risk because religious directives
> > were
> > allowed to interfere with her medical care. Patients should not be
> > forced

> > to suffer because of a hospital?s religious affiliation."

> > Because she received neither the information nor the care
> > appropriate for
> > her condition, Means was unable to direct her course of treatment
> > and
> > suffered unnecessarily. Her story is not unique. Research, including
> > that
> > of Lori R. Freedman, PhD, and Debra B. Stulberg, MD, recounts other
> > stories of patients being denied information and appropriate care at

> > hospitals bound by the bishops? directives.

> > Based the "care" they were giving her, she would have did have died
> > had she not started to miscarriage right in front of those bastards.
> >

> > Karma ; what a concept!

If the Republicans keep getting elected to state and federal offices,
expect many more women to die or be maimed for life. Think about it.
Why do you think so many Republican and conservative states are passing
voter suppression laws?

[Shoe-Chucker 2]

In article <kr2178$utq$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

Prohibition of just about anything the people want. never works. Only
makes matters worse and quality control is absent.
was; bath tub gin.