Mother Teresa: The Fruit Of Abortion Is Nuclear War
Sound of Trumpet
The Ripple Effect of Abortion
by Fr. Frank Pavone
Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
whether we are aware of it or not.
The pro-life movement has done much to teach the public about the
destructive harm that abortion does to the unborn child. Most people
also have been informed about the negative impact abortion has on
women's health, as a result of the multiple physical and emotional
complications of the procedure. But taking a brief look at the other
circles of destruction brought on by abortion can be an even more
sobering experience.
The Survivors
First of all, what does abortion do to the children who survive?
Psychologists have now discovered "Abortion Survivor Syndrome," a
cluster of symptoms that mimic those of the soldiers who return from
battle, and instead of feeling happy that they survived, feel guilty
and anxious. "Could I have done something to keep my army buddy from
getting killed? Why was it him and not me?"
Dr. Philip Ney, a Canadian expert and child psychiatrist, explains that
children eventually ask, "I was born because mommy wanted me. What if
she stops wanting me?"
The impact of being an abortion survivor should not be ignored as we
try to understand why children shoot other children in schools. We've
taught them to do so when we taught them that their lives were
disposable. Children will not stop killing children until parents stop
killing children.
The prospect that one could have been legally killed by his or her own
parents is also a significant obstacle for our young people to hear the
Gospel message of the Father's unconditional love for them.
>From Generation to Generation
Abortion leads to more abortion, as well as to various forms of child
abuse. One of the biggest factors that will determine whether someone
will have an abortion is whether her mother had an abortion. The
reasons have to do with the way abortion affects the maternal bond. It
weakens and distorts it, and a woman who has an abortion faces
obstacles in her relationships with later children she brings to birth.
The act of aborting a child, rather than adjusting to the changes that
childbirth brings, constitutes a failure to mature and a regression in
one's development toward adult responsibility. This failure to mature
is one of the contributing causes of child abuse.
The Helpless Cry
Abortion threatens the survival of the human species itself, because it
introduces a distortion into the human response to the infant's
helpless cry. When a crying baby awakens her parents in the middle of
the night, initial annoyance quickly gives way to tenderness toward the
child in need. The very survival of the species depends on our overall
ability to make that transition. Abortion, by definition, is a
deliberate refusal to hear and respond to the helpless cry.
Dr. Ney writes, "Human response to the helpless cry of their young
will determine if the human species survives. The helpless cry is any
sound or signal that alerts a person that some creature is in distress
and cannot help him/herself . . . Anyone with any humanity in him or
herself must react in one way or another. The helpless cry is an
essential crisis . . . It is an accurate gauge of how human we are as
individuals and how civilized we are collectively. It will determine
whether we become more free, more mature, and more loving, or whether
we become insensitive, dehumanized, and hateful."
Marriage
Abortion destroys marriages and male-female relations generally. The
woman who has aborted a child finds it more difficult to trust the man.
Her relationship with him led to the unspeakable pain of abortion.
Meanwhile, the man finds in abortion an easy way to escape
responsibility for his actions. The fact that the law does not give
fathers a say in whether their own unborn children live or die means
that fathers are less willing to take responsibility for those children
before and after birth, and less willing to bond with them. If they are
not attached to the baby, moreover, they are not as supportive of their
partner.
Government
When our government allowed abortion, it became a different kind of
government than what it was founded to be. There are only two forms of
government. The first acknowledges that God gives us our rights, and
that government exists to secure those rights. In such a framework,
government can't tamper with the right to life, and can never
authorize its destruction.
The second form, however, says that government is the source of those
rights, and therefore has full dominion over life and death. The Pope
comments on this in Evangelium Vitae: "In this way democracy,
contradicting its own principles, effectively moves toward a form of
totalitarianism. The State is no longer the 'common home' where all
can live together on the basis of principles of fundamental equality,
but is transformed into a tyrant State, which arrogates to itself the
right to dispose of the life of the weakest and most defenseless
members. . . . When this happens, the process leading to the breakdown
of a genuinely human coexistence and the disintegration of the State
itself has already begun. . . . This is the death of true freedom"
(no. 20).
Abortion has wrought havoc on our political system, practically
destroying one of our national parties and hijacking the
constitutionally provided method for filling positions on federal
courts.
Other effects in law have been described as "the abortion
distortion." In various states, for example, pro-abortion forces have
begun to shut down avenues of free speech, such as specialty license
plate programs or tow banner advertising, just to prevent the truth of
abortion from being told.
The Church
The well-being of the Church is also at stake because of the abortion
controversy. The more the "ethic" of abortion is embedded in the
laws and practices of society, the more strained are the Church's
relations with government. The Church, after all, must interact with
government leaders on a wide range of programs that serve the people
and advance the Church's interests. But as was painfully evident in
recent controversies over whether pro-abortion politicians should be
allowed to receive Holy Communion or even appear on Church property,
the constant presence of legal abortion-and public officials who are
willing to keep it legal-will provide a source of continued conflict.
At the same time, positions on abortion are reduced, in public
commentary, to "political" positions. Given the fact that many
attorneys who advise the Church give unnecessarily restrictive legal
advice, the bottom line is that there is a chilling effect on the
freedom of the clergy-and others in ministry-to comment on
abortion. This strains the credibility of the Church, as people try to
figure out why more leadership is not evident from the pulpit on what
the bishops themselves have called the most fundamental civil rights
issue of our day.
The Medical Community
Legal abortion distorts the purpose and slows the progress of medicine.
Doctors are being reduced to their pre-Hippocratic oath days when they
were seen as dispensers of both life and death. The inherent link
between the medical profession and the care of life is being denied and
obscured. Moreover, if defects in a child are handled by aborting the
child, motivation to make medical progress in treating such defects is
deterred.
At the same time, if embryos can be destroyed, they can also be
manipulated, experimented on, sold, or combined with other species.
Bioethical oddities of immense proportions aThe fruit of abortion is
nuclear warre on the horizon.
Security
Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Moreover, how can we maintain peace between nations if we cannot
maintain peace between a mother and her own child? As Mother Teresa
warned, "If we say that a mother can kill her own child, how can we
tell other people not to kill each other? . . . The fruit of abortion
is nuclear war."
We have only skimmed the surface here and have truly not begun to
appreciate the destructive power of abortion. May we, as individuals
and as a society, face up to the truth about abortion and its many
dimensions before it is too late.
Dave
> [...]
> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
Johnny
"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You have no culture, fool!
The Chief Instigator
How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost as
many people as are in your whole state.
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Johnny
"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
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> "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>
>>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>>>> imagine. [...]
>
>>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
>
>>You have no culture, fool!
>
> How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost
> as
> many people as are in your whole state.
I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
Pastor Kutchie
"Today her sisters continue to reuse the same blunt dirty needles on
their patients, over and over again, not because they can't afford
clean ones, but because pain is good for the soul, and, they continue
to not give anyone any pain killers, again because pain is good for the
soul, as Mother T. told the reporters, including a story she told of a
man suffering terribly from cancer, she told him, "Jesus is kissing
you," to which the man replied, "then I wish he'd stop." She chuckled
after repeating the suffering man's genuine heartfelt response."
The Chief Instigator
>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
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>> "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>>>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>>>>> imagine. [...]
>>>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
>>>You have no culture, fool!
>> How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost
>> as many people as are in your whole state.
>I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
They're not in your state, moron.
>I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
You'd be better off if you wondered about how you can be something other than
the obnoxious idiot of your little town.
Pr0r3p
Johnny wrote:
> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
> >
> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
> >>>> imagine. [...]
> >
> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
> >
> >>You have no culture, fool!
> >
> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost
> > as
> > many people as are in your whole state.
>
> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
Johnny
"Pr0r3p" <pr0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Johnny wrote:
>> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
>> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
>> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>> >
>> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> >>>> [...]
>> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>> >>>> imagine. [...]
>> >
>> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my
>> >>> culture.
>> >
>> >>You have no culture, fool!
>> >
>> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got
>> > almost
>> > as
>> > many people as are in your whole state.
>>
>> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
>> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>
> More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
More evidence that you are a secretive fool.
Johnny
> "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>
>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
>>news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
>>> "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>
>>>>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>>>>>> imagine. [...]
>
>>>>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my
>>>>> culture.
>
>>>>You have no culture, fool!
>
>>> How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got
>>> almost
>>> as many people as are in your whole state.
>
>>I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
>
> They're not in your state, moron.
>
>>I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>
> You'd be better off if you wondered about how you can be something other
> than
> the obnoxious idiot of your little town.
All those secrets they've been keeping for decades are catching up to them.
LOL!
Now, who is the idiot?
R. Pierce Butler
news:1149708686.5...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
> http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
>
>
Mother Teresa....The Ghoul of Calcutta. Second most disgusting person after
Vlad the Impaler.
Mother Teresa...torturer, thief, slut, and money worshipping cunt.
The fucking bitch should have died a slow death of bone or pancreatic cancer
and been denied any pain meds whatsoever. "It is good to suffer"
Colin Day
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/religion/mother_teresa.html
See also:
http://macintyre.com/content/view/533/105/
Colin Day aa #1500
Mark K. Bilbo
<1149708686.5...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...
> As Mother Teresa warned, "If we say that a
> mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill
> each other? . . . The fruit of abortion is nuclear war."
Do we need anymore proof the old bitch was bat shit crazy?
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The Chief Instigator
>Johnny wrote:
>> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
>> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
>> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> >>>> [...]
>> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>> >>>> imagine. [...]
>> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
>> >>You have no culture, fool!
>> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost
>> > as many people as are in your whole state.
>> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
>> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
At least his village, small as it is, isn't being deprived.
The Chief Instigator
>"Pr0r3p" <pr0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1149711372.6...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Johnny wrote:
>>> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
>>> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
>>> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>>> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>>> >>>> [...]
>>> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>>> >>>> imagine. [...]
>>> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my
>>> >>> culture.
>>> >>You have no culture, fool!
>>> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got
>>> > almost as many people as are in your whole state.
>>> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
>>> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>> More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
>More evidence that you are a secretive fool.
...which paranoia still won't get you a job in the current administration.
The Chief Instigator
Of course, if you get your way, YOUR secrets will be public knowledge. Fair
is fair, and all that.
>Now, who is the idiot?
You're the one who's held the title all along, and there's no danger of you
losing -that- monopoly.
R. Pierce Butler
news:Q5ednWEgadKmERrZ...@megapath.net:
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
> <1149708686.5...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...
>
>> As Mother Teresa warned, "If we say that a
>> mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill
>> each other? . . . The fruit of abortion is nuclear war."
>
> Do we need anymore proof the old bitch was bat shit crazy?
>
i wish all she was was bat-shit crazy. She was an evil person that delighted
in the suffering and torment of others. A torturer of the sick and infirmed.
How sick can one be? Where is Vlad the Impaler when you need him?
Pr0r3p
The Chief Instigator wrote:
> "Pr0r3p" <pr0...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >Johnny wrote:
> >> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
> >> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
> >> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>
> >> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> >> >>>> [...]
> >> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
> >> >>>> imagine. [...]
>
> >> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
>
> >> >>You have no culture, fool!
>
> >> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got almost
> >> > as many people as are in your whole state.
>
> >> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
> >> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>
> >More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
>
> At least his village, small as it is, isn't being deprived.
There's enough idiot there to serve several villages...
The Chief Instigator
>The Chief Instigator wrote:
>> "Pr0r3p" <pr0...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> >Johnny wrote:
>> >> "The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:szku06w...@fnord.io.com...
>> >> > "Johnny" <wxpprof...@msn.com> writes:
>> >> >>"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:1149709342.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> >> >>>> [...]
>> >> >>>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>> >> >>>> imagine. [...]
>> >> >>> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my
>> >> >>> culture.
>> >> >>You have no culture, fool!
>> >> > How the hell would YOU know, Whacksky? He's in an area that's got
>> >> > almost as many people as are in your whole state.
>> >> I wonder how many of them voted for same-sex marriage?
>> >> I also wonder if they are all abortionistic scum.
>> >More evidence that you're a nosey busybody...
>> At least his village, small as it is, isn't being deprived.
>There's enough idiot there to serve several villages...
Fortunately, Greenville, Clemson, and Spartanburg have refused the service.
Bill M
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundof...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/features/prolife/frank_06.asp
>
>
>
> The Ripple Effect of Abortion
>
> by Fr. Frank Pavone
>
>
> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
> imagine. We may at times be tempted to think that we are not
> individually affected by the fact that others legally abort their
> children. But abortion does affect us all, personally and directly,
> whether we are aware of it or not.
Your absolutly correct. Abortion by reducing the growth in world over
population is of untold beneifit
to all of us. It reduces water and air polution; delays the depletion of
natural and vital resources and
slows the depletion of the oceans fish populations. We really need more
abortions!
Antonio Forza
<soundof...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
>threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
>can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
>population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
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•R L Measures
<antoni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
> <soundof...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> >Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
> >threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
> >can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
> >population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
>
> Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
> the last couple hundred years. ...
• My guess is that 1.5B to 6B took closer to 100-years. This planet is
being screwed up by screwing. Mo' humans are not always mo' betta.
anarc...@gmail.com
They are if you enjoy suffering, as MT was reputed to do.
(Other peoples', anyway.)
Peter Michael
The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
growth are truly insane.
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•R L Measures
<joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>
> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
> growth are truly insane.
• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
Ray Fischer
>The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
And most would be dead within a week.
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Gunner
>In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>
>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>> growth are truly insane.
>
>• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
tanks would be manditory.
Gunner
•R L Measures
> Peter Michael <joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>
> And most would be dead within a week.
• Indeed, R. Both the Mormon church and the Roman church are looneytunes
when it comes to over-population.
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
> ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
> >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
> >>
> >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
> >> growth are truly insane.
> >
> >• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
> >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>
> actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
> sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
> tanks would be manditory.
>
• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of shit and piss is not easy
to dismiss.
cheers, Gunner
>
> >>
> >> ...
Malcolm
"Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
>> [...]
>> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
>> imagine. [...]
>
> Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
>
OK.
So I'm allowed to say that no woman who has had an abortion may send her
children to the school my children attend.
I may refuse to employ abortive women in a business, or as teachers, and I
refuse to be bound by any law passed by legislators who accept abortion as
moral, and I have the right to be treated by doctors and nurses who are in
no wise involved with abortions.
And my taxes don't go to supporting pensioners who have aborted the children
who would have helped to produce the wealth needed to pay for their old age.
As long as you stay the hell out of my culture, I will accept that I can
stay out of yours.
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Michael Price
> On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
> <soundof...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> >Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
> >threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
> >can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
> >population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
>
> Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
> the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
> people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
> humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
>
wealth.
The problem of poverty is the problem of coercion not overpopulation.
Africa feeds itself easily when it's not shooting itself, so how can it
be
overpopulated? India is growing fast despite bugger all success in
reducing
their numbers.
That said Mother T. was a useless, vicious bitch.
> Those who are tring to ban abortion are truly insane.
No, they just like pushing people around.
Ray Fischer
>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
>><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>>
>>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>>> growth are truly insane.
>>
>>• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>
>actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
>sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
>tanks would be manditory.
Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>Antonio Forza wrote:
>> On 7 Jun 2006 12:31:26 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
>> <soundof...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> >Ultimately, the economy and security of the nation and the world are
>> >threatened by abortion. Destroying 40 million lives in a generation
>> >can't happen without consequences, starting with the aging of the
>> >population, with fewer younger workers supporting the system.
>>
>> Human population has skyrocketed from 1.5 billion to 6.5 billion over
>> the last couple hundred years. If we had an additional 40 million
>> people on the planet from each generation, each breeding MORE people,
>> humanity would be even more screwed than it currently is.
>>
> And it's also the period with the greatest increase in per-person
>wealth.
>The problem of poverty is the problem of coercion not overpopulation.
Idiotic propaganda.
>Africa feeds itself easily when it's not shooting itself,
Obviously not.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
anima...@yahoo.com
Clearly, the answer is to eat shit. The provisional answer. After the
population increases some more, Soylent Green will be the answer.
gal...@hotmail.com
> "Dave" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> Abortion harms our entire culture in ways we have not even begun to
> >> imagine. [...]
> >
> > Keep your culture to yourself buddy and stay the hell out of my culture.
> >
> OK.
> So I'm allowed to say that no woman who has had an abortion may send her
> children to the school my children attend.
> I may refuse to employ abortive women in a business, or as teachers, and I
> refuse to be bound by any law passed by legislators who accept abortion as
> moral, and I have the right to be treated by doctors and nurses who are in
> no wise involved with abortions.
> And my taxes don't go to supporting pensioners who have aborted the children
> who would have helped to produce the wealth needed to pay for their old age.
Since Puritan New England is no more, maybe you should move to an
Islamic country where women are treated as property.
brique
.R L Measures <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-1006060...@192.168.1.101...
> >
> > >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
> > ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
> > >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
> > >>
> > >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
> > >> growth are truly insane.
> > >
be
> > >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
> >
> > actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
> > sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
> > tanks would be manditory.
> >
> to dismiss.
They will have a fleet of supertankers off Galveston to ship it all to
Africa to fertilise the Sahara which will be turned into an executive
golf-course and luxury hotel complex offering safari's to kill all the game
now rampant in an uninhabited world.
Alternatively, they will sell it to McDonalds to be recycled into
burgers.....
>
> cheers, Gunner
> >
> > >>
> > >> ...
•R L Measures
Gunner
True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
Gunner
>>
>> >>
>> >> ...
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
Gunner
wrote:
If every one of those homes had a basic septic tank..it would be at
least 8 yrs before any of them would need to be pumped.
On the other hand..getting enough water to flush the toilets for those
people would be the hard part.
Gunner
Gunner
How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
Come on over to my homestead and see one.
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <53sk825aj33v27tcd...@4ax.com>,
> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
> >> ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size
of Texas.
> >> >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
> >> >>
> >> >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
> >> >> growth are truly insane.
> >> >
> >> >• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
> >> >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
> >>
> >> actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
> >> sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
> >> tanks would be manditory.
> >>
> >• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of shit and piss is not easy
> >to dismiss.
> >
> >cheers, Gunner
>
> True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
>
• no shit
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> >Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
> >>><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
> >>>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
> >>>>
> >>>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
> >>>> growth are truly insane.
> >>>
> >>>• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
> >>>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
> >>
> >>actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
> >>sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
> >>tanks would be manditory.
> >
> >Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
>
> How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
>
• The trouble with seepage pits is eventual contamination of ground water.
Ray Fischer
>On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article <53sk825aj33v27tcd...@4ax.com>,
>>gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
>>> ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>>> >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>> >>
>>> >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>>> >> growth are truly insane.
>>> >
>>> >• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>>> >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>>>
>>> actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
>>> sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
>>> tanks would be manditory.
>>>
>>• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of shit and piss is not easy
>>to dismiss.
>>
>>cheers, Gunner
>
>True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>>>>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>>>>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>>>>
>>>>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>>>>> growth are truly insane.
>>>>
>>>>• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>>>>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>>>
>>>actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
>>>sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
>>>tanks would be manditory.
>>
>>Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
>
>How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
>
>Come on over to my homestead and see one.
"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
That's a clue, dimwit.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Gunner
Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of Texas, and
here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
Gunner
Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land. No large
leech field required.
My dry well and septic tank take up an area 30' long, by 10' wide in
total. It could have been less, but I wanted room to drill another dry
well in the future.
Gunner
Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice. Dry well needs replaceing.
Thats not bad
Gunner
Ray Fischer
>On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <53sk825aj33v27tcd...@4ax.com>,
>>>>gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter Michael"
>>>>> ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>>>>> >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>>>>> >> growth are truly insane.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>>>>> >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
>>>>> sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
>>>>> tanks would be manditory.
>>>>>
>>>>• A daily output of 17 to 22 billion pounds of shit and piss is not easy
>>>>to dismiss.
>>>>
>>>>cheers, Gunner
>>>
>>>True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
>>
>>There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
>
>Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
"urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a family.
Idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 11 Jun 2006 16:58:51 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>>> r...@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of Texas.
>>>>>>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain population
>>>>>>> growth are truly insane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>• With 6.3-billion humanoids in an area the size of Texas, they would be
>>>>>>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
>>>>>
>>>>>actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
>>>>>sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
>>>>>tanks would be manditory.
>>>>
>>>>Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
>>>
>>>How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
>>>
>>>Come on over to my homestead and see one.
>>
>>"Homestead"? As in more than an urban-sized plot of land?
>>
>>That's a clue, dimwit.
>
>Define homestead. and urban sized plot.
You're the one using the terms and you don't know what they mean?
3000 square feet for a family of four.
>A verticle dry well fits neatly on a urban sized plot of land.
So what? You still can't dump an arbitrary amount of stuff in it.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Gunner
You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system. Millions
of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots. And 3000
sqr feet is mighty damned small for most city lots throughout most of
the US. But still more than doable.
Do you have cites to the contrary? Please provide them
Gunner
Idiot? First it was 3000 sq feet, now its 4000 sq feet. When will you
make up your mind what an " average urban lot" is?
In my area, most urban lots are 50x125 feet to 75x 125
This translates to a bit more than your 3000 morphing to 4000 square
feet.
In my area, most of them are on septic tanks with dry wells, with those
size lots.
Either you are a buffoon (my first guess) or you havent been outside of
whichever shithole you live in.
Ray Fischer
But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas doesn't allow that
much room. It doesn't allow any room for roads, or water delivery, or
food delivery. It doesn't provide the energy needed. All your stupid
idea would allow for is death.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
>There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
Texas.
> Millions
>of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
confined to small lots.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
James A. Donald
> There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
We are talking about a suburban plot. Lots of suburbs rely on septic
tanks, seems to work fine.
--
----------------------
We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
James A. Donald
> > > on an urban plot.
> > Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
Ray Fischer
> "urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
> family.
In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
fine.
The only reason that government does not like septic
tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
competition. They want stuff to be provided by
government - the government disfavors septic and favors
government sewerage, because government favors
government.
anarc...@gmail.com
James A. Donald wrote:
> > > > There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
> > > > on an urban plot.
>
> > > Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
>
> Ray Fischer
> > "urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
> > family.
>
> In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
> on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
> fine.
>
> The only reason that government does not like septic
> tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> government - the government disfavors septic and favors
> government sewerage, because government favors
> government.
I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't need
to use the groundwater, you're all right. It smells odd
when it rains, though.
Gunner
>>You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
>
>Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
Having a septic tank on a normal sized lot is stupid?
>
>>There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
>
>There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
>Texas.
It was simply an illistration of the size of the population in regards
to total land mass of the planet. I take it you missed that part while
you were working up bile and spittle?
>
>> Millions
>>of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
>
>Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
>confined to small lots.
Wasnt it you who said they lived on 3000 and then 4000 sf lots?
Seems to me you are a liar and a wanker.
>
>--
>Ray Fischer
>rfis...@sonic.net
Ill bet your mum is ashamed of you.
Gunner
>>>Idiot.
>>
>>Idiot? First it was 3000 sq feet, now its 4000 sq feet. When will you
>>make up your mind what an " average urban lot" is?
>>
>>In my area, most urban lots are 50x125 feet to 75x 125
>
>But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas doesn't allow that
>much room. It doesn't allow any room for roads, or water delivery, or
>food delivery. It doesn't provide the energy needed. All your stupid
>idea would allow for is death.
Then you are admitting to one and all, that you lied.
Thanks for the confirmation (again) that you are a lying piece of human
debris.
Have a nice day
Ray Fischer
>>>>Idiot.
>>>
>>>Idiot? First it was 3000 sq feet, now its 4000 sq feet. When will you
>>>make up your mind what an " average urban lot" is?
>>>
>>>In my area, most urban lots are 50x125 feet to 75x 125
>>
>>But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas doesn't allow that
>>much room. It doesn't allow any room for roads, or water delivery, or
>>food delivery. It doesn't provide the energy needed. All your stupid
>>idea would allow for is death.
>
>Then you are admitting to one and all, that you lied.
So you're now reduced to lying outright about what I write.
S.O.P. for a right-wing moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
>
>We are talking about a suburban plot.
No, we're not. The thread started with the idiocy of fityting the
world's population into Texas. That's just 1000 square feet per
person, less than the typical suburban plot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>>>You cant put an "arbitrary amount of stuff" in a pickup truck either.
>>
>>Which makes your ideas quite stupid, doesn't it?
>
>Having a septic tank on a normal sized lot is stupid?
>>
>>>There are proper ways to care and maintain any septic system.
>>
>>There are stupid ideas about cramming the world's population into
>>Texas.
>
>It was simply an illistration of the size of the population in regards
>to total land mass of the planet.
You could fit the entire world's population into a single square mile.
Is that also a useful illustration?
>>> Millions
>>>of Americans prove this every day on average size urban lots.
>>
>>Try not to be more dishonest than you have to be. Americans aren't
>>confined to small lots.
>
>Wasnt it you who said they lived on 3000 and then 4000 sf lots?
No, it wasn't.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
James A. Donald
Yes it does.
Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
because there are lots on both sides of the road.
So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
per lot.
Area of Texas 268,601 square miles = 7500 billion square
feet
= 1.6 billion suburban lots
= 6.5 billion people.
Gunner
Odd..the average sized home is from 1200 to 1400 square feet for a
family of 4.
I suspect you realize you fucked up again..painted yourself in a
corner..yet continue this buffoonishness because you, like any
Leftist..has an over inflated sense of "self esteem" and simply cannot
admit to having been shown to be a moron.
Gunner
Ray Fischer
>> But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
>> doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
>> room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
>
>Yes it does.
>
>Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
>is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
>wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
>because there are lots on both sides of the road.
>
>So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
>per lot.
You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
standard of living.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
>>>On 11 Jun 2006 16:57:32 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>> There is no such thing as a "good" septic system on an urban plot.
>>>
>>>We are talking about a suburban plot.
>>
>>No, we're not. The thread started with the idiocy of fityting the
>>world's population into Texas. That's just 1000 square feet per
>>person, less than the typical suburban plot.
>
>Odd..the average sized home is from 1200 to 1400 square feet for a
>family of 4.
Odd, I didn't make any mention of "average sized home".
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
constan...@gmail.com
Increasing population density raises the standard of living. High
population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown. Low population
areas are called boondocks, backwoods, sticks, hinterland. What
connotations do these words have?
Imagine that you're homeless, without a job, without any salable
skills. Where are you going to go? You're going to go where there's so
much wealth that you can live off the scraps of other people. And
where's that? The countryside? Or the city?
Ray Fischer
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
>> > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
>> >> doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
>> >> room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
>> >
>> >Yes it does.
>> >
>> >Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
>> >is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
>> >wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
>> >because there are lots on both sides of the road.
>> >
>> >So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
>> >per lot.
>>
>> You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
>> standard of living.
>
>Increasing population density raises the standard of living.
Idiot.
> High
>population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown.
Slum.
Cities require large farmlands and roads and services in order
to support them.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
• Where I grew up. the ground water was c. 8ft down.
brique
Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:9apn8210dqeahiocf...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:38 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R L Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <53sk825aj33v27tcd...@4ax.com>,
> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:34:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R L Measures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>, "Peter
Michael"
> >> ><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city the size of
Texas.
> >> >> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited space.
> >> >>
> >> >> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to contain
population
> >> >> growth are truly insane.
> >> >
be
> >> >drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
> >>
> >> actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of about 1500
> >> sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good septic
> >> tanks would be manditory.
> >>
> >to dismiss.
> >
> >cheers, Gunner
>
> True enough..hence the good septic systems requirement
Gonna need a lot of tankers to take it all away when it is pumped, about a
billion persons worth of shit per year or so. Still, there would be the
other 40-odd contiguous states left empty and finally a worthwhile purpose
for DC would have been found....
>
> Gunner
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ...
brique
<constan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150080186.5...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ray Fischer wrote:
> > James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> > > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> > >> But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
> > >> doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
> > >> room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
> > >
> > >Yes it does.
> > >
> > >Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
> > >is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
> > >wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
> > >because there are lots on both sides of the road.
> > >
> > >So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
> > >per lot.
> >
> > You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
> > standard of living.
>
> Increasing population density raises the standard of living. High
> population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown. Low population
> areas are called boondocks, backwoods, sticks, hinterland. What
> connotations do these words have?
How about 'ghetto', 'urban flight', 'gated community', urban blight',
'smog'.....
Of course, it would explain why the poor millionairse keep buying these
tar-paper shacks in 'low population' areas like Westchester.......
>
> Imagine that you're homeless, without a job, without any salable
> skills. Where are you going to go? You're going to go where there's so
> much wealth that you can live off the scraps of other people. And
> where's that? The countryside? Or the city?
>
Logically, it's the countryside. If one is going to live off 'scraps', it's
the better choice.
brique
James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:7pdp821frp616oed4...@4ax.com...
> On 11 Jun 2006 21:12:52 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray
> Fischer) wrote:
> > But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
> > doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
> > room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
>
> Yes it does.
>
> Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
> is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
> wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
> because there are lots on both sides of the road.
Assumes no road junctions, parking areas, filling stations, workshops, new
and used car lots, bulk fuel stores, distribution centres, markets,
hospitals, schools, libraries, malls, power stations, power lines,
sub-stations, water treatment, storage or distribution facilities,
factories, offices, airports, harbours, mass-transit systems, Tv/radio
stations, etc, etc...
Of course, they could all just stay at home and not eat much instead. That
would also help with the sewage problem.
brique
> > > > There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
> > > > on an urban plot.
>
> > > Mine is 25 yrs old, been pumped twice.
>
> Ray Fischer
> > "urban plot", remember? 4000 square feet for a
> > family.
>
> In Sydney's western suburbs, about a million people live
> on lots that size or smaller, using septic tanks. Works
> fine.
>
> The only reason that government does not like septic
> tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> government - the government disfavors septic and favors
> government sewerage, because government favors
> government.
Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis committee to decide on
how to solve the independent shit storage problem.........
James A. Donald
> > The only reason that government does not like septic
> > tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> > competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> > government - the government disfavors septic and
> > favors government sewerage, because government
> > favors government.
> I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't
> need to use the groundwater, you're all right. It
> smells odd when it rains, though.
In my experience, it does not smell odd when it rains.
James A. Donald
> > > There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
> > > on an urban plot.
James A. Donald:
> > We are talking about a suburban plot.
Ray Fischer
> No, we're not. The thread started with the idiocy of
> fityting the world's population into Texas.
If we put the entire population of the world into Texas,
they will be at comfortable density typical of modern
suburbia. The world is not very densely populated. We
could do with considerably more people.
constan...@gmail.com
Ray Fischer wrote:
> <constan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> >> > rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >> But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into Texas
> >> >> doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't allow any
> >> >> room for roads, or water delivery, or food delivery.
> >> >
> >> >Yes it does.
> >> >
> >> >Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road and
> >> >is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28 feet
> >> >wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2 (divide by two
> >> >because there are lots on both sides of the road.
> >> >
> >> >So we need 4600 square feet per lot. Assume four people
> >> >per lot.
> >>
> >> You must be willing and eager to lower drastically your
> >> standard of living.
> >
> >Increasing population density raises the standard of living.
>
> Idiot.
>
> > High
> >population areas are called city, metropolis, downtown.
>
> Slum.
Slums are created by the rural poor who move into the city seeking a
better life. Slums are proof, then, that the city is perceived to raise
the standard of living in comparison with the rural countryside. And so
many people are unlikely to be wrong about something like that.
> Cities require large farmlands and roads and services in order
> to support them.
Since you mention farmland I take it you conceded the other points
(roads and delivery).
•R L Measures
• religious fundamentalists put their logic units in sleep mode.
•R L Measures
Gunner
So again you admit to lying.
Sure as shit.
Gunner
River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
constan...@gmail.com
I'm an atheist so I presume you're talking about Ray Fischer. Why do
you think he's a religious fundamentalist, and how is that relevant to
the current discussion anyway?
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
• Oxnard, CA. 2mi South the ground water emerged in a park.
Gunner
Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
is likely over a river.
Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
brique
James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:to3q82lkf1fkht6so...@4ax.com...
> Ray Fischer
> > > > There is no such thing as a "good" septic system
> > > > on an urban plot.
>
> James A. Donald:
> > > We are talking about a suburban plot.
>
> Ray Fischer
> > No, we're not. The thread started with the idiocy of
> > fityting the world's population into Texas.
>
> If we put the entire population of the world into Texas,
> they will be at comfortable density typical of modern
> suburbia. The world is not very densely populated. We
> could do with considerably more people.
And there are all these single mothers out there fucking for freedom,
producing all these necessary extra people and yet, rather than salute their
sterling efforts, you want to take away their welfare and use it to kill
even more people... so, James, just how on earth are you going to manage to
get all these vital necessary extra people in the world? Clone Constance?
•R L Measures
gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
• The location where water is 8' down is c. 45-feet above sea-level.
>
James A. Donald
> > Imagine that you're homeless, without a job, without
> > any salable skills. Where are you going to go?
> > You're going to go where there's so much wealth that
> > you can live off the scraps of other people. And
> > where's that? The countryside? Or the city?
"brique"
> Logically, it's the countryside. If one is going to
> live off 'scraps', it's the better choice.
Yet strangely, we observe such people heading to the
cities, and, by and large, areas with small population
and immense resources, for example Saudi Arabia and much
of Africa, are poor.
anarc...@gmail.com
James A. Donald wrote:
> James A. Donald wrote:
> > > The only reason that government does not like septic
> > > tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> > > competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> > > government - the government disfavors septic and
> > > favors government sewerage, because government
> > > favors government.
>
> anarc...@gmail.com
> > I lived in an area like that. As long as you don't
> > need to use the groundwater, you're all right. It
> > smells odd when it rains, though.
>
> In my experience, it does not smell odd when it rains.
Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
capacity for sewage.
James A. Donald
> > > But your stupid idea of fitting everyone into
> > > Texas doesn't allow that much room. It doesn't
> > > allow any room for roads, or water delivery, or
> > > food delivery.
James A. Donald:
> > Yes it does.
> >
> > Assume each lot has a forty foot frontage on a road
> > and is a hundred feet deep. Assume the roads are 28
> > feet wide, so the road area per lot is 40*30/2
> > (divide by two because there are lots on both sides
> > of the road.
"brique"
> Assumes no road junctions, parking areas, filling
> stations, workshops, new and used car lots, bulk fuel
> stores, distribution centres, markets, hospitals,
> schools, libraries, malls, power stations, power
> lines, sub-stations, water treatment, storage or
> distribution facilities, factories, offices, airports,
> harbours, mass-transit systems, Tv/radio stations,
> etc, etc...
Looks to me that that stuff occupies are rather small
portion of the space, compared with suburban living.
The point of the comparison is that we could have a lot
more people than at present without resulting in
physical crowding.
The current shortage of urban land is because of
government policies banning subdivision, not a real
shortage.
James A. Donald
> > > > The only reason that government does not like
> > > > septic tanks in the suburbs is that it does not
> > > > like the competition. They want stuff to be
> > > > provided by government - the government
> > > > disfavors septic and favors government sewerage,
> > > > because government favors government.
anarc...@gmail.com
> > > I lived in an area like that. As long as you
> > > don't need to use the groundwater, you're all
> > > right. It smells odd when it rains, though.
James A. Donald:
> > In my experience, it does not smell odd when it
> > rains.
> Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
> capacity for sewage.
I can assure you that none of my properties are anywhere
near that limit.
James A. Donald
> > The only reason that government does not like septic
> > tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> > competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> > government - the government disfavors septic and
> > favors government sewerage, because government
> > favors government.
"brique"
> Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis
> committee to decide on how to solve the independent
> shit storage problem.........
In fact the government does every day have crisis
committees to decide on the problem of preventing
independence.
James A. Donald
> > The world is not very densely populated. We could
> > do with considerably more people.
"brique"
> And there are all these single mothers out there
> fucking for freedom, producing all these necessary
> extra people and yet, rather than salute their
> sterling efforts, you want to take away their welfare
> and use it to kill even more people...
Some people are less valuable than others.
See my posts on the hap map for my recommended solution
to this problem.
Gunner
Not uncommon. One often finds entire lakes above the 5000' level.
As I said..you are probably over a river.
Gunner
wrote:
One simply needs look at Japan, Hong Kong and so forth for examples of
tight quarters in 5 million dollar homes.
anarc...@gmail.com
James A. Donald wrote:
> James A. Donald wrote:
> > > > > The only reason that government does not like
> > > > > septic tanks in the suburbs is that it does not
> > > > > like the competition. They want stuff to be
> > > > > provided by government - the government
> > > > > disfavors septic and favors government sewerage,
> > > > > because government favors government.
>
> anarc...@gmail.com
> > > > I lived in an area like that. As long as you
> > > > don't need to use the groundwater, you're all
> > > > right. It smells odd when it rains, though.
>
> James A. Donald:
> > > In my experience, it does not smell odd when it
> > > rains.
>
> anarc...@gmail.com
> > Tastes differ. I assure you the earth has a finite
> > capacity for sewage.
>
> I can assure you that none of my properties are anywhere
> near that limit.
You aren't living with six billion Texans yet.
Frank Mayhar
> You aren't living with six billion Texans yet.
Okay, when I wake up from a horrible nightmare in the wee hours tonight,
I'm calling _you_.
(Six billion Texans. *shudder*)
--
Frank Mayhar fr...@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
brique
> James A. Donald
> > > The only reason that government does not like septic
> > > tanks in the suburbs is that it does not like the
> > > competition. They want stuff to be provided by
> > > government - the government disfavors septic and
> > > favors government sewerage, because government
> > > favors government.
>
> "brique"
> > Ummm.. yeh,,,,, everyday the government has a crisis
> > committee to decide on how to solve the independent
> > shit storage problem.........
>
> In fact the government does every day have crisis
> committees to decide on the problem of preventing
> independence.
Sources? Like a department name perhaps? House Standing Committee on
Preventing Free-lance Cess-Pits, perhaps?
brique
> Constantinople:
> > > Imagine that you're homeless, without a job, without
> > > any salable skills. Where are you going to go?
> > > You're going to go where there's so much wealth that
> > > you can live off the scraps of other people. And
> > > where's that? The countryside? Or the city?
>
> "brique"
> > Logically, it's the countryside. If one is going to
> > live off 'scraps', it's the better choice.
>
> Yet strangely, we observe such people heading to the
> cities, and, by and large, areas with small population
> and immense resources, for example Saudi Arabia and much
> of Africa, are poor.
>
Of course, have't you heard, in the cities the streets are paved with
gold....
brique
> James A. Donald
> > > The world is not very densely populated. We could
> > > do with considerably more people.
>
> "brique"
> > And there are all these single mothers out there
> > fucking for freedom, producing all these necessary
> > extra people and yet, rather than salute their
> > sterling efforts, you want to take away their welfare
> > and use it to kill even more people...
>
> Some people are less valuable than others.
I see, and who gets to decide if these people are valuable or not?
>
> See my posts on the hap map for my recommended solution
> to this problem.
Killing all the males and castarting the male children whilst fomenting
civil war and bombing the shit out of their country? And you need a map?
brique
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:36:14 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R L Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <686r82524ft30u331...@4ax.com>,
> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> >In article <63nq82dc16a9o4hh7...@4ax.com>,
> >> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >> >
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <rflo82tqonb9ifooq...@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >> >> >
wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <qdpn821rqbkff52rk...@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jun 2006 15:19:13 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >Measures) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>In article <8fednXPxss1IsRfZ...@comcast.com>,
"Peter
> >> >> >Michael"
> >> >> >> >> >>><joh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> The populaton of the entire world could fit into a city
> >the size of
> >> >> >> >Texas.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> The ENTIRE rest of the planet would be open, uninhabited
space.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> With these facts, those who argue we need abortion to
contain
> >> >> >population
> >> >> >> >> >>>> growth are truly insane.
> >> >> >> >> >>>
they
> >> >> >would be
> >> >> >> >> >>>drowning in their own feculence within a fortnight.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>actually..they all could have a split level ranch house of
> >about 1500
> >> >> >> >> >>sqr feet on a urban sized lot and still fit in Texas. Good
septic
> >> >> >> >> >>tanks would be manditory.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Septic tanks on a urban-sized lot would be worthless.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How so? Never seen a vertical dry well?
> >> >> >> >>
ground
> >> >water.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ah..in some places with a high water table, indeed. Most of
Texas, and
> >> >> >> here in California..ground water is 300-500 feet down.
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> River bank or the Ofikanoi Swamp?
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Indeed. Oxnard is largely tidal marsh turned into farming and your area
> >> is likely over a river.
> >>
> >> Oxnard is about 80 miles from me. Our water table runs 350-500 feet
> >>
> >>
> Not uncommon. One often finds entire lakes above the 5000' level.
>
> As I said..you are probably over a river.
Maybe its a low-flying rain cloud?