More Catholic abuse. [URL]

[W.T.S.]

http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref

More priests fall out of the closet.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

One of the final paragraphs reads:

* "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
with a section on the Legion.

In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Anybody who has studied the fate of empires, and the difficulties of
establishing territorial jurisdiction over communities that differ in
religion, language, and marital customs, knows that the task is all but
impossible, and threatens constantly to break down in fragmentation,
tribalism, or civil war."
-- Professor Roger Scruton

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <MPG.2a1797136...@news.west.earthlink.net>,

m1...@earthlink.net wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>
>More priests fall out of the closet.

• This is good news about the RCC W. At least these priests were
apparently having "inappropriate sexual relations with women" - and not
sodomizing altar-boys.

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>
>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>
>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>
> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
>with a section on the Legion.
>
>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.

АА chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 00:03:37 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:

Not to worry. We Christians understand even if you atheist wannabe's don't.

duke, American - American

*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>>
>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>
>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>
>> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
>>with a section on the Legion.
>>
>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>

>€€ chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.

€€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

[Mike Painter]

On 5/12/2012 12:03 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:

> In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
> fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
> actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.

God idea. Just remember that I will be running for Pope again the next
time on the same platform as I did the last time.

You will become a Cardinal if you support me and will not have to wear
the robes.
Pope for a day will now be an option for some.

More than likely the women priests will be allowed first choice.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:27:31 -0700
Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 5/12/2012 12:03 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess wrote:
> > In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> > forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an
> > idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
> > Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky
> > winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>
> God idea. Just remember that I will be running for Pope again the
> next time on the same platform as I did the last time.

I think you'd make a fine Pope -- the Catholic Church is way overdue
for some house cleaning, and I'm confident that you could see this
through to fruition.

> You will become a Cardinal if you support me and will not have to
> wear the robes.
> Pope for a day will now be an option for some.
>
> More than likely the women priests will be allowed first choice.

I have no interest in power (I have no need for it), but I also won't
turn it down for fear of someone else receiving it who might abuse it
as long as I don't have to do any cooking or cleaning.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or
Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify
and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
-- Thomas Paine

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
> >>>
> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
> >>
> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
> >>
> >> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church
> >>finances with a section on the Legion.
> >>
> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an
> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky
> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
> >
> >€€ chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in
> >Purgatory.
>
> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

That means that atheism isn't a sin.

(According to Friedrich Nietzsche, "sin" is a Jewish invention.)

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Homophobia is not a moral standard, it's hatred, and whatever you may
deem "common sense" to be (like believing that wafers are flesh and
wine is blood, or that death is the wages of sin) society has a duty to
define morality as based on truth, reality, respect, and tolerance; it
has failed to do so in this instance because of an overemphasis on
tolerating ignorance and bigotry."
-- David Silverman, Defender of Civilisation

[Uergil]

In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:


> АА Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

Says Duck the Armenian Armenian

But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[Uergil]

In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> you atheist wannabe's

Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>>>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>>>
>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>>
>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>>
>>> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
>>>with a section on the Legion.
>>>
>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>>
>>€€ chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
>
>€€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>

€€ Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.

[The_Echo_Chamber]

On May 12, 7:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 00:03:37 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>

> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> >that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
>
> Not to worry.  We Christians understand even if you atheist wannabe's don't.

The only place you're a "christian" dookie, is in your own mind. Out
here in reality, it's quite easy to see that you don't fit the profile.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist

Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven. As an atheist,
you deny any use for God, and in doing do, reject any desire to go to heaven.
That leaves only hell as the final solution.

>(According to Friedrich Nietzsche, "sin" is a Jewish invention.)

It's defined by God, not fn.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> АА Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.

When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
made a major and unrecoverable mistake.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:48 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> you atheist wannabe's
>
>Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
>into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.

Nope, sorry. An agnostic is one that finds the evidence unconvincing and hence
waits for more to go on. An atheist flat out rejects the evidence and denies
the existence of God. The problem is that there is NO evidence for the
non-existence of God. So therefore you are can be nothing but an atheist
wannabe, and not an atheist because there is zero evidence for the non-existence
of God.

But it's still all over your head. The problem is that you WILL lose.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <7b4vq71pirgrfajdf...@4ax.com>, duke

• Meaning of course the 3 in 1, post 3rd-century, Roman Catholic version
of "God".

> and in doing do, reject any desire to go to heaven.

• those who are considering going to RC Heaven should be semi-comfortable
with seeing fully-repentant priests in hot pursuit of cherubim.

>That leaves only hell as the final solution.
>

• ja wohl herr Weber!

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>

>>> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

>
>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>
>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>

• Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,
hook, line, and sinker

There's one born every minute.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <rm4vq799t5l4gtiim...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:48 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> you atheist wannabe's
>>
>>Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
>>into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.
>
>Nope, sorry. An agnostic is one that finds the evidence unconvincing and hence
>waits for more to go on. An atheist flat out rejects the evidence and denies
>the existence of God. The problem is that there is NO evidence for the
>non-existence of God. So therefore you are can be nothing but an atheist
>wannabe, and not an atheist because there is zero evidence for the
non-existence
>of God.
>
>But it's still all over your head. The problem is that you WILL lose.
>

• In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
Strsight to Hell.

[duke]

Jesus revealed it in 33AD.

>> and in doing do, reject any desire to go to heaven.
>
>• those who are considering going to RC Heaven should be semi-comfortable
>with seeing fully-repentant priests in hot pursuit of cherubim.

Silliness.

>>That leaves only hell as the final solution.
>>
>• ja wohl herr Weber!

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 04:52:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>
>>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>>
>>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
>>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>>
>• Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,
>hook, line, and sinker

You're awful on dates, rl, not even considering AD v CE.

>There's one born every minute.

Where do you keep them all?

[duke]

Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.

[W.T.S.]

In article <7b4vq71pirgrfajdf...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500
> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >

> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.)

> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >> >>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
> >> >>>
> >> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
> >> >>
> >> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
> >> >>
> >> >> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church
> >> >>finances with a section on the Legion.
> >> >>
> >> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an
> >> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
> >> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky
> >> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
> >> >

> >> >?? chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in
> >> >Purgatory.
> >>
> >> ?? Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

> >
> >That means that atheism isn't a sin.
>
> Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven. As an atheist,
> you deny any use for God, and in doing do, reject any desire to go to heaven.
> That leaves only hell as the final solution.
>
> >(According to Friedrich Nietzsche, "sin" is a Jewish invention.)
>
> It's defined by God, not fn.

And "God" is still a lie, along with "Heaven" and "Hell". We all end up
in the exact same place.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38

[W.T.S.]

In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >

> >> ?? Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

>
> >But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
> >after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>
> When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
> flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
> made a major and unrecoverable mistake.

Are you still playing that con game, "duke". It won't work anymore.

[W.T.S.]

In article <jpavq7t1eg00fsek0...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sun, 13 May 2012 04:52:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
> >>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>

> >>>> ?? Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

> >>
> >>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
> >>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
> >>
> >>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
> >>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
> >>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
> >>

> >? Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,

> >hook, line, and sinker
>
> You're awful on dates, rl, not even considering AD v CE.
>
> >There's one born every minute.
>
> Where do you keep them all?

In the hip pocket of the Catholic Church.

[W.T.S.]

In article <rm4vq799t5l4gtiim...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:48 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> you atheist wannabe's
> >
> >Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
> >into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.
>
> Nope, sorry. An agnostic is one that finds the evidence unconvincing and hence
> waits for more to go on. An atheist flat out rejects the evidence and denies
> the existence of God. The problem is that there is NO evidence for the
> non-existence of God. So therefore you are can be nothing but an atheist
> wannabe, and not an atheist because there is zero evidence for the non-existence
> of God.
>
> But it's still all over your head. The problem is that you WILL lose.

The Catholic Church has been losing for centuries, and it's still here.

[W.T.S.]

In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:00 -0700, r...@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (? R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <20120512000337....@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >>>>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
> >>>>>
> >>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
> >>>>
> >>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
> >>>>
> >>>> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
> >>>>with a section on the Legion.
> >>>>
> >>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> >>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: Have a
> >>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
> >>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
> >>>

> >>>?? chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
> >>
> >>?? Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
> >>
> >?? Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.

>
> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.

"Jesus Christ", the Pope's sock puppet.

[duke]

If I got a vote, you might be right. Alas, I don't.
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 05:51:17 -0500

Atheists often do see a use for fictional characters, such as a "god"
being a major element in a larger scheme to control significant numbers
of people using scare tactics, but this in no way validates (or even
attempts to validate) the existence of said fictional character.

There is no position held by atheists as it is merely a classification
of the "absence of belief in deities and supernatural agents." The
oppositional attitude that you incorrectly claim to be a fundamental
characteristic of "atheism" is actually an anti-theistic position that
many, but not all, atheists and theists both happen to hold...

http://www.atheistfrontier.com/glossary/atheist.pl

For example, an atheist who actively opposes theology, and the beliefs
that the theology promotes, is being anti-theistic in doing so. The
same applies to theists who oppose other theologies in the same vein,
except that they have made an exception with not being anti-theistic
about their own theology. (In my experience, it seems to be far less
common for agnostics to hold an anti-theistic view.)

It's important to note the distinction that the atheist classification,
as well as the theistic and anti-theistic positions, are not
categorically applicable when someone challenges proof of a claim
regardless of whether it was presented as part of a theistic or
anti-theistic position -- this is just skepticism.

The challenges often arise in the face of someone prosyletizing, which
really is just another attempt by someone to impose their corrupt moral
views and virtues on others.

> >(According to Friedrich Nietzsche, "sin" is a Jewish invention.)
>
> It's defined by God, not fn.

Nietzsche didn't define it; he merely identified its inventors.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"God (n.); A casual and intellectually sparse rationalisation of nerve
impulses within the human brain, conflated with social and societal
expediencies, such as the division of labour and the wielding of
authority, resulting in a formal definition of a personification of an
authority that should not be questioned."

[FreeThink]

On May 13, 3:51 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500
> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)
> >> wrote:
>

> >> >In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>

> >> >wrote:
>
> >> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >> >>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>
> >> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>
> >> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>
> >> >>   * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church
> >> >>finances with a section on the Legion.
>
> >> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an
> >> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
> >> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky
> >> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>
> >> >€€  chortle.  This one will probably cost you an extra week in
> >> >Purgatory.
>
> >> €€  Heeheehee.   Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >That means that atheism isn't a sin.
>
> Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven.

Is their a coffee service?

[linuxgal]

• R. L. Measures. wrote:

> • In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
> Strsight to Hell.
>

His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII says if you are not subject to the Pope
you go to hell. So I'll be in good company.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <2navq7pqotvvsd54u...@4ax.com>, duke

• nothing

>*****
>1 John 3:4-6
>4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
>sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
>appeared so that he might take away our sins.
>And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
>him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
>sin has either seen him or known him.
>*****

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <jpavq7t1eg00fsek0...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 May 2012 04:52:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>>
>>>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>>>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>>>
>>>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>>>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
>>>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>>>
>>• Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,
>>hook, line, and sinker
>
>You're awful on dates, rl, not even considering AD v CE.
>

• With the exception of Inuit Hell, the latest version of Hell was in the
5th entury.

>>There's one born every minute.
>
>Where do you keep them all?
>

• There's one in Louisana.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3...@4ax.com>, duke

• Is that one of the voices in your head?

[Uergil]

In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> >>>€€ chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
> >>
> >>€€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
> >>
> >€€ Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.
>
> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.

> Duck Armenian - Armenian

There is no objective physical evidence that there is a hell, nor that
anyone has "soul" which will survive his/her body, so the threat of
hellfire is just propaganda.

[Uergil]

In article <rm4vq799t5l4gtiim...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:48 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> you atheist wannabe's
> >
> >Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
> >into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.
>
> Nope, sorry. An agnostic is one that finds the evidence unconvincing and
> hence
> waits for more to go on. An atheist flat out rejects the evidence and denies
> the existence of God. The problem is that there is NO evidence for the
> non-existence of God.

There is just as much evidence for the non-existence of any god as for
the existence of any god, so to choose to believe one over the other
deserves no more than a coin toss.

But a-theists (non-theists) choose not even to flip that coin.

> So therefore you are can be nothing but an atheist
> wannabe, and not an atheist because there is zero evidence for the
> non-existence
> of God.

I can be what I call an atheist, however you choose to miss-use the
term, by failure to have any beliefs at all about the existence of any
gods.

I rather suspect, but cannot be sure, that there are none, on the
grounds that if there really were any, there should be some sort of
objective physical evidence showing it.

>
> But it's still all over your head. The problem is that you WILL lose.
>

> Duck Armenian - Armenian

That presumes that I have anything to lose, like an immortal soul, but
there is no more evidence for the existence of human souls at all, much
less of their surviving their bodies, than there is for gods.

[Uergil]

In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> АА Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
> >after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>
> When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
> flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
> made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>

> Duck Armenian - Armenian

Doesn't one of the Gospels promise that only those who follow Jesus
shall have life after death?

If so, all atheists are off the hook!

[Uergil]

In article <7b4vq71pirgrfajdf...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> As an atheist,
> you deny any use for God

> Duck Armenian - Armenian

Nope, only
(1) the certainty that there is one at all, and
(2) the certainty, if there is one, that you have the right one.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:00:44 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <7b4vq71pirgrfajdf...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> As an atheist,
>> you deny any use for God
>
>> Duck Armenian - Armenian
>
>Nope, only
>(1) the certainty that there is one at all, and
>(2) the certainty, if there is one, that you have the right one.

I guarantee both.

Look, I don't care if you continue the "Duck Armenian - Armenian" thing. It
doesn't bother me. But why waste your time with it? What value do YOU get from
wasting your time putting it in. That's the part I don't understand. Like,
if an Armenian is your worst enemy in life, I can see you labeling me like that.
I am what I am, not what you childishly change it to. You could change it to
"duck devil duck devil", and that wouldn't bother me either, but at least it
would be representative of something you don't like.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 13:16:27 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>In article <jpavq7t1eg00fsek0...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 May 2012 04:52:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke
>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>>>
>>>>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>>>>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>>>>
>>>>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>>>>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
>>>>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>>>>
>>>• Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,
>>>hook, line, and sinker
>>
>>You're awful on dates, rl, not even considering AD v CE.
>>
>
>• With the exception of Inuit Hell, the latest version of Hell was in the
>5th entury.

Wow, the 5th entury [sic] no less.

>>>There's one born every minute.
>>Where do you keep them all?
>• There's one in Louisana.

Hell? Where?

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:56:23 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >

>> >> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

>>
>> >But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>> >after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>>
>> When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>> flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to understand you
>> made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>>
>> Duck Armenian - Armenian
>
>Doesn't one of the Gospels promise that only those who follow Jesus
>shall have life after death?

Nope. It actually says those that follow Jesus in "loving one another as he
loves us".

Does this sound familiar?
John 15:13 (New International Version)
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

>If so, all atheists are off the hook!

Atheists are then never Medal of Honor winners.

[duke]

Nope, in their heart.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:20 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> >>>�� chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
>> >>
>> >>�� Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>> >>
>> >�� Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.
>>
>> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.
>
>> Duck Armenian - Armenian

>There is no objective physical evidence that there is a hell, nor that
>anyone has "soul" which will survive his/her body, so the threat of
>hellfire is just propaganda.

And so mankind, next to the bottom of the food chain and just one step above a
mosquito, sees right thru God.

[duke]

Yep, you're be the ridee for satan. Giddy up, lg. Buck harder.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:53:55 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <rm4vq799t5l4gtiim...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:48 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <e4jsq7laf1t3u6b51...@4ax.com>,
>> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> you atheist wannabe's
>> >
>> >Atheists are not "wannabe's", but merely skeptics who are not bulldozed
>> >into belief by threats unsupported by any objective physical evidences.
>>
>> Nope, sorry. An agnostic is one that finds the evidence unconvincing and
>> hence
>> waits for more to go on. An atheist flat out rejects the evidence and denies
>> the existence of God. The problem is that there is NO evidence for the
>> non-existence of God.
>
>There is just as much evidence for the non-existence of any god

I defy you to name one tiny bit of evidence..

>as for
>the existence of any god, so to choose to believe one over the other
>deserves no more than a coin toss.

>But a-theists (non-theists) choose not even to flip that coin.

No, you deny/reject the existence of God. That makes you an atheist wannabe.

Main Entry:1agŁnosŁtic
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown
and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in
either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something *political
agnostics* –agŁnosŁtiŁcism \-t*-*si-z*m\

>> of God.
>I can be what I call an atheist, however you choose to miss-use the
>term, by failure to have any beliefs at all about the existence of any
>gods.

Yet, according to at least the dictionary, I'm right and you're wrong. But go
ahead and call yourself what ever you want.

>I rather suspect, but cannot be sure, that there are none, on the
>grounds that if there really were any, there should be some sort of
>objective physical evidence showing it.

You deny/reject all the evidence.

>> But it's still all over your head. The problem is that you WILL lose.
>>
>> Duck Armenian - Armenian

>That presumes that I have anything to lose, like an immortal soul, but
>there is no more evidence for the existence of human souls at all, much
>less of their surviving their bodies, than there is for gods.

Fine, you can't see electricity or air either.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <26t1r71n8q530biuq...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 May 2012 13:16:27 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <jpavq7t1eg00fsek0...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 13 May 2012 04:52:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <dh4vq7547rl24kdem...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:56 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45...@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>>>>
>>>>>>But there is no objective physical evidence that anyone goes anywhere
>>>>>>after dying. So your claims are based solely on myths.
>>>>>
>>>>>When, and if, you find yourself dancing around as the tips of the white hot
>>>>>flames of hell tickling the cheeks of your ass, you'll come to
understand you
>>>>>made a major and unrecoverable mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>• Duke swallows the post-5th century Christian version of Hell: bait,
>>>>hook, line, and sinker
>>>
>>>You're awful on dates, rl, not even considering AD v CE.
>>>
>>
>>• With the exception of Inuit Hell, the latest version of Hell was in the

>>5th century.

>
>Wow, the 5th entury [sic] no less.

• A toastier Hell helped to increase attendance in the 5th century. The
next improvement was Baptist Hell in the mid 19th century, which was even
hotter than Catholic Hell.

>
>>>>There's one born every minute.
>>>Where do you keep them all?
>>• There's one in Louisana.
>

>Hell? Where?...

• Hell is next door to Purgatory and it has the same manaqgement.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <3ht1r7h5gm1ogjocq...@4ax.com>, duke

• As Massa Duke sees it a Darkie in da White House is an affront.
>Vote Republican in 2012

[Uergil]

In article <8kt1r75egtb0ok31v...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2012 11:09:07 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >• R. L. Measures. wrote:
> >
> >> • In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
> >> Strsight to Hell.
> >>
> >
> >His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII says if you are not subject to the Pope
> >you go to hell. So I'll be in good company.
>
> Yep, you're be the ridee for satan. Giddy up, lg. Buck harder.

There is no more proof of any Satan existing than there is of any other
god. And the very existence of any Satan would prove the your alleged
God is not al powerful.

[Uergil]

In article <3ht1r7h5gm1ogjocq...@4ax.com>,

Then why, with such a supposedly peaceful person as Jesus in their
hearts have your RCs killed so many in the name of Jesus?

You bear guilt for the blood shed by your Church in all its "holy" wars,
including those against the Moslems and against the protestants, neither
group which would have come into existence if your group were a true
religion.

[Paul Duca]

On May 14, 12:32 pm, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article <3ht1r7h5gm1ogjocq4ofks3veee82s3...@4ax.com>, duke

>
>
>
> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 13 May 2012 13:17:33 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>

> >>In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3p3r84n3er4b7dv...@4ax.com>, duke

> >><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:00 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>

> >>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45868tlgsni9k7s1...@4ax.com>, duke

> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>

> >>>>>>In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >>>>>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>

> >>>>>>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >>>>>>>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>
> >>>>>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>
> >>>>>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>
> >>>>>>>   * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >>>>>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >>>>>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances
> >>>>>>>with a section on the Legion.
>
> >>>>>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >>>>>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> >>>>>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:  Have a
> >>>>>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can
> >>>>>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>
> >>>>>>€€  chortle.  This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
>
> >>>>>€€  Heeheehee.   Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >>>>€€  Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.
>
> >>>Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.
>
> >>• Is that one of the voices in your head?
>
> >Nope, in their heart.
> >2012 - end of an error
>
> •  As Massa Duke sees it a Darkie in da White House is an affront.
>

> >Vote Republican in 2012--God pays BIG BUCKS for your vote, if you're white.

[Paul Duca]

On May 14, 8:11 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43:20 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

> >In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3p3r84n3er4b7dv...@4ax.com>,

> > duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>>  chortle.  This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
>
> >> >>  Heeheehee.   Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >> >  Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.
>
> >> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.
>
> >> Duck   Armenian - Armenian
> >There is no objective physical evidence that there is a hell, nor that
> >anyone has "soul" which will survive his/her body, so the threat of
> >hellfire is just propaganda.
>
> And so mankind, next to the bottom of the food chain and just one step above a
> mosquito, sees right thru God.
> 2012 - end of an error

> Vote Republican in 2012--that's why people don't bother to count on God.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article
<75a907c3-8c13-45f4...@w16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 14, 12:32=A0pm, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <3ht1r7h5gm1ogjocq4ofks3veee82s3...@4ax.com>, duke
>>
>>
>>
>> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>> >On Sun, 13 May 2012 13:17:33 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.)=

> wrote:
>>
>> >>In article <7ravq7d2gumbnfiq3p3r84n3er4b7dv...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>

>> >>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:00 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures=

>.) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45868tlgsni9k7s1...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>

>> >>>>>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measur=
>es.) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fid=
>em
>> >>>>>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.co=

>m>
>> >>>>>>wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>> >>>>>>>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>
>> >>>>>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>
>> >>>>>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>

>> >>>>>>> =A0 * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify =
>the
>> >>>>>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berr=
>y,
>> >>>>>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church fina=

>nces
>> >>>>>>>with a section on the Legion.
>>

>> >>>>>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone'=
>s
>> >>>>>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an=
> idea
>> >>>>>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: =A0Have=
> a
>> >>>>>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner=

> can
>> >>>>>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>>

>> >>>>>>=80=80 =A0chortle. =A0This one will probably cost you an extra week=
> in Purgatory.
>>
>> >>>>>=80=80 =A0Heeheehee. =A0 Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>
>> >>>>=80=80 =A0Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doc=

>trine.
>>
>> >>>Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.
>>

>> >>=95 Is that one of the voices in your head?

>>
>> >Nope, in their heart.
>> >2012 - end of an error
>>

>> =95 =A0As Massa Duke sees it a Darkie in da White House is an affront.
>>
>> >Vote Republican in 2012--God pays BIG BUCKS for your vote, if you're whi=
>te.
>>
>> --
>> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org
** _____

[Yap]

On May 13, 8:39 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:00 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45868tlgsni9k7s1...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>

> >>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
> >>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>

> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >>>>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>
> >>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>
> >>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>

> >>>>   * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finances

> >>>>with a section on the Legion.
>

> >>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> >>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:  Have a
> >>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner can

> >>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>

> >>>€€  chortle.  This one will probably cost you an extra week in Purgatory.
>
> >>€€  Heeheehee.   Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >€€  Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctrine.

>
> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.

You don't even have a set of skeleton to talk to, let alone listen to.

>
> duke, American - American

[thomas p.]

Yes, and old copies of the Reader's Digest.

I bet all those souls in Purgatory were glad when the Church decided to
cancel Purgatory's existence. Apparently Purgatory just wasn't showing the
profits it used to. It all comes down to the bottom line.



snip
>
>
>
>

--
* I promise I will format my posts properly in the future.
* Windows Live Mail just can't quote! Luckily, I have found this:
* http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article
<28a06519-a622-4306...@sm6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 13, 8:39=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:00 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) =

>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >In article <q7jsq75o9v75d3f45868tlgsni9k7s1...@4ax.com>, duke
>> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>

>> >>On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.=

>) wrote:
>>
>> >>>In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
>> >>>Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>
>> >>>wrote:
>>
>> >>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>> >>>>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>
>> >>>>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>
>> >>>>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>

>> >>>> =A0 * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the

>> >>>>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,

>> >>>>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church finance=

>s
>> >>>>with a section on the Legion.
>>
>> >>>>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's

>> >>>>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an id=
>ea
>> >>>>that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity: =A0Have a
>> >>>>fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky winner ca=

>n
>> >>>>actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>>

>> >>>=80=80 =A0chortle. =A0This one will probably cost you an extra week in=
> Purgatory.
>>
>> >>=80=80 =A0Heeheehee. =A0 Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>
>> >=80=80 =A0Right - they go Straight to Hell for not swallowing RCC doctri=

>ne.
>>
>> Actually, they do that by not listening to Jesus Christ.
>
>You don't even have a set of skeleton to talk to, let alone listen to.
>

• Duke listens to voices in his head and in his "heart".

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT), FreeThink <zeno7...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On May 13, 3:51 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500

>> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)

>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem
>> >> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>> >> >>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>
>> >> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>
>> >> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>

>> >> >>   * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
>> >> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
>> >> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church

>> >> >>finances with a section on the Legion.

>>
>> >> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>> >> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an

>> >> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:

>> >> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky

>> >> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>>
>> >> >€€  chortle.  This one will probably cost you an extra week in
>> >> >Purgatory.
>>
>> >> €€  Heeheehee.   Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>>
>> >That means that atheism isn't a sin.
>>
>> Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven.
>
>Is their a coffee service?

Yes, but instant coffee only. The good stuff comes in heaven.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error

Vote Republican in 2012
*****

[duke]

But heaven is free. And a pure joy compared to purgatory.

[duke]

Never happened. Name one instance where Christians killed "in the name of
Jesus". Here's a clue - your references below are not.

>You bear guilt for the blood shed by your Church in all its "holy" wars,
>including those against the Moslems and against the protestants, neither
>group which would have come into existence if your group were a true
>religion.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:30:21 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <8kt1r75egtb0ok31v...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 11:09:07 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >• R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> >
>> >> • In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
>> >> Strsight to Hell.
>> >>
>> >
>> >His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII says if you are not subject to the Pope
>> >you go to hell. So I'll be in good company.
>>
>> Yep, you're be the ridee for satan. Giddy up, lg. Buck harder.
>
>There is no more proof of any Satan existing than there is of any other
>god. And the very existence of any Satan would prove the your alleged
>God is not al powerful.

There is something God requires of you.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT), The_Echo_Chamber
<echoch...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 12, 7:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 00:03:37 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist

>>
>> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> >In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
>> >forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
>> >that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
>>

>> Not to worry.  We Christians understand even if you atheist wannabe's don't.
>
>The only place you're a "christian" dookie, is in your own mind. Out
>here in reality, it's quite easy to see that you don't fit the profile.

Like you would know.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <4fb207e5$0$293$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, "thomas p."

• Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,
2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
official.

[The_Echo_Chamber]

On May 15, 8:04 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT), The_Echo_Chamber
>

> <echochambe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 12, 7:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 00:03:37 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>
> >> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >> >In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >> >forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an idea
> >> >that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:
>
> >> Not to worry.  We Christians understand even if you atheist wannabe's don't.
>
> >The only place you're a "christian" dookie, is in your own mind.  Out
> >here in reality, it's quite easy to see that you don't fit the profile.
>
> Like you would know.

Despite your excuses and whining to the contrary, your postings paint
you as a perfect faux christian dookie.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <ngh4r79oao7rubdqu...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:30:21 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <8kt1r75egtb0ok31v...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 11:09:07 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> >• R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> • In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
>>> >> Strsight to Hell.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII says if you are not subject to the Pope
>>> >you go to hell. So I'll be in good company.
>>>
>>> Yep, you're be the ridee for satan. Giddy up, lg. Buck harder.
>>
>>There is no more proof of any Satan existing than there is of any other
>>god. And the very existence of any Satan would prove the your alleged
>>God is not al powerful.
>
>There is something God requires of you.

• ... and it's not kissing His Holinesses' ring and believing every
utterance that emits from His mouth. .

[Smiler]

So, no more dancing under a stick :-)

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[duke]

Exactly.

[duke]

You have no clue as to what a Christian is, so how can you make such a comment.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <b347r7dv7l391ss7j...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:09:53 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <ngh4r79oao7rubdqu...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:30:21 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8kt1r75egtb0ok31v...@4ax.com>,
>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 11:09:07 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >• R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> • In Duke-World everybody who does not agree with His Holiness goes
>>>>> >> Strsight to Hell.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >His Holiness Pope Boniface VIII says if you are not subject to the Pope
>>>>> >you go to hell. So I'll be in good company.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, you're be the ridee for satan. Giddy up, lg. Buck harder.
>>>>
>>>>There is no more proof of any Satan existing than there is of any other
>>>>god. And the very existence of any Satan would prove the your alleged
>>>>God is not al powerful.
>>>
>>>There is something God requires of you.
>>
>>• ... and it's not kissing His Holinesses' ring and believing every
>>utterance that emits from His mouth. .
>
>Exactly.
>

• But you believe every utterance and if given the opportunity you would
probably kiss the dude's ring.

[The_Echo_Chamber]

I clearly know what a christian is, and you're not one of them.

[duke]

Why wouldn't I believe everything he says. He is tasked by the Lord Jesus to
lead the Christian faith in following the teachings of God. You have your own
favorites like the LA Times; I have mine.

[duke]

Then that proves it. You don't know what a Christian is. Or you would have
revealed as much. You know, echo, sometime in your life, you're going to have
to learn to stand up with your beliefs that doesn't including wanking.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <rvj9r7h5cs4um8dcm...@4ax.com>, duke

• Here's one His Holiness the pope apparently missed: Matthew 18:6 (NIV)
³If anyone causes one of these little ones‹those who believe in me‹to
stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around
their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

>You have your own
>favorites like the LA Times; I have mine.
>

• I don't think the L.A. Times is infallible. For example they failed to
carry an embarrassing story about Mormons that was carried by other major
newspapers in CA. - note - The Mormon church owns a large % of
Times-Mirror stock. This stock purchase came about after the L.A. Times
published a series of eyebrow-raising stories about Mormon beliefs -
including what supposedly goes on in Mormondom's Celestial Impregmatorium
where Mormon guys supposedly copulate their way to Godhood (yes, with a
capital G) and are rewarded with their own earth-like planet to rule over
for eternity.
The bottom line is that if you want straight talk about a religion, try
a newspaper that the religion can not influence. This especially applies
to larger groups such as Mormons, Baptists and Catholics

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <h8k9r7tmbi3r7sdbq...@4ax.com>, duke

• So it is unChristian to "wank" when standing?

[Patrick]

"The_Echo_Chamber" <echoch...@yahoo.com> wrote

I clearly know what a christian is, and you're not one of them.

+ Are you?

[duke]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:28 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


>>>>>>There is something God requires of you.
>>>>>• ... and it's not kissing His Holinesses' ring and believing every
>>>>>utterance that emits from His mouth. .
>>>>Exactly.
>>>• But you believe every utterance and if given the opportunity you would
>>>probably kiss the dude's ring.
>>Why wouldn't I believe everything he says. He is tasked by the Lord Jesus to
>>lead the Christian faith in following the teachings of God.

>• Here's one His Holiness the pope apparently missed: Matthew 18:6 (NIV)
> ³If anyone causes one of these little ones‹those who believe in me‹to
>stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around
>their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Nope, Cardinal Ratziner, now Pope B16, was high instrumental in cleaning the
house.

> >You have your own
>>favorites like the LA Times; I have mine.
>
>• I don't think the L.A. Times is infallible

You show you do.

>For example they failed to
>carry an embarrassing story about Mormons that was carried by other major
>newspapers in CA. - note - The Mormon church owns a large % of
>Times-Mirror stock. This stock purchase came about after the L.A. Times
>published a series of eyebrow-raising stories about Mormon beliefs -
>including what supposedly goes on in Mormondom's Celestial Impregmatorium
>where Mormon guys supposedly copulate their way to Godhood (yes, with a
>capital G) and are rewarded with their own earth-like planet to rule over
>for eternity.

> The bottom line is that if you want straight talk about a religion, try
>a newspaper that the religion can not influence. This especially applies
>to larger groups such as Mormons, Baptists and Catholics

Yet the religious article writer is usually a religious person knowledgeable of
the faith. An article about pedophilia can be written by anyone with a bone to
pick.

[duke]

It's especially an issue when leaning against a fence.

[duke]

Echo has never even been in a vestibule.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 08:59:40 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
>> "The_Echo_Chamber" <echoch...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> I clearly know what a christian is, and you're not one of them.
>>
>> + Are you?
>
> Echo has never even been in a vestibule.

Well, one time, when he was born.

[� R. L. Measures.]

In article <tbdcr7hv9jhmdmceh...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:28 -0700, r...@somis.org (� R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>There is something God requires of you.
>>>>>>� ... and it's not kissing His Holinesses' ring and believing every
>>>>>>utterance that emits from His mouth. .
>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>� But you believe every utterance and if given the opportunity you would
>>>>probably kiss the dude's ring.
>>>Why wouldn't I believe everything he says. He is tasked by the Lord Jesus to
>>>lead the Christian faith in following the teachings of God.
>
>>� Here's one His Holiness the pope apparently missed: Matthew 18:6 (NIV)
>> �If anyone causes one of these little ones�those who believe in me�to
>>stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around
>>their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
>
>Nope, Cardinal Ratziner, now Pope B16, was high instrumental in cleaning the
>house.

� Cardinal Ratzinger was instrumental in delaying the jackbooting of
pedophile/ephebophile priests ---- although he may have seen the light
after he was elected pope.

>
>> >You have your own
>>>favorites like the LA Times; I have mine.
>>
>>� I don't think the L.A. Times is infallible
>
>You show you do.
>

� YOU APPARENTLY DID NOT READ WHAT I WROTE BELOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
AFTER THE MORMON CHURCH BOUGHT UP A HUGE CHUNK OF TIMES-MIRROR STOCK

>
>>For example they failed to
>>carry an embarrassing story about Mormons that was carried by other major
>>newspapers in CA. - note - The Mormon church owns a large % of
>>Times-Mirror stock. This stock purchase came about after the L.A. Times
>>published a series of eyebrow-raising stories about Mormon beliefs -
>>including what supposedly goes on in Mormondom's Celestial Impregmatorium
>>where Mormon guys supposedly copulate their way to Godhood (yes, with a
>>capital G) and are rewarded with their own earth-like planet to rule over
>>for eternity.
>
>> The bottom line is that if you want straight talk about a religion, try
>>a newspaper that the religion can not influence. This especially applies
>>to larger groups such as Mormons, Baptists and Catholics
>
>Yet the religious article writer is usually a religious person knowledgeable of
>the faith. An article about pedophilia can be written by anyone with a bone to
>pick.

� Reputable newspapers print factual articles without regard to major
stockholders. I no longer subscribe to the Los Angeles Times -- whose
parent company recently filed for bankruptsy.

>
>duke - American American
>
>*****
>2012 - end of an error
>Vote Republican in 2012
>*****

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <cjdcr7dlvl1ld8ebo...@4ax.com>, duke

• An electric fence?

[linuxgal]

• R. L. Measures. wrote:

> • Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,
> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
> official.
>

Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
can contradict another on Limbo.

[� R. L. Measures.]

In article <8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

� The laugher is that whenever the pope fumbles, TBRCs are quick to
excuse it under the plea that the utterance was not ex-cathedra.

[linuxgal]

� R. L. Measures. wrote:
> In article <8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>

>> � R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>
>>> � Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,

>>> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
>>> official.
>>>
>> Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
>> can contradict another on Limbo.
>

> � The laugher is that whenever the pope fumbles, TBRCs are quick to

> excuse it under the plea that the utterance was not ex-cathedra.
>

I was just discussing this with a Catholic on IRC. He wanted the
council where Limbo was cooked up.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

The Catholic Church's belief that Baptism is necessary for salvation was
powerfully expressed in the Decree for the Jacobites at the Council of
Florence in 1442: �There is no other way to come to the aid [of little
children] than the sacrament of Baptism by which they are snatched from
the power of the devil and adopted as children of God�

The Pope contradicted that teaching. So much for the infalliblity of
the magisterium of the Church.

[Mike Painter]

The RCC is petty clear on this and has been for most of it's existence.
The pope is or the magisterium was infallible under rare circumstances.
To date, the pope saying he was infallible and Mary being assumed into
heaven have been the big two things that they said were infallible.

[thomas p.]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:RI-dncwTMo-dtyrS...@giganews.com...

Yes, the existence of Purgatory was not an "infallible doctrine". Of course
this did not prevent Popes from collecting huge sums of money by declaring
(infallibly one assumes) people's times in Purgatory lessened. It must be a
sacred mystery how the Pope can infallibly grant indulgences to lessen time
in a place that does not exist.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[Yap]

On May 15, 8:00 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 09:38:13 +0200, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> >> atheist
>
> >>> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >>> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500
> >>> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.)
> >>> >> wrote:
>
> >>> >> >In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "Fidem

> >>> >> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com>
> >>> >> >wrote:
>

> >>> >> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
> >>> >> >>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>> >> >>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>
> >>> >> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>
> >>> >> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>
> >>> >> >> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify the
> >>> >> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Berry,
> >>> >> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church
> >>> >> >>finances with a section on the Legion.
>

> >>> >> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someone's
> >>> >> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with an
> >>> >> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:

> >>> >> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the lucky
> >>> >> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>
> >>> >> >€€ chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in
> >>> >> >Purgatory.
>
> >>> >> €€ Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.
>
> >>> >That means that atheism isn't a sin.
>
> >>> Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven.
>
> >>Is their a coffee service?
>
> >Yes, and old copies of the Reader's Digest.
>
> >I bet all those souls in Purgatory were glad when the Church decided to
> >cancel Purgatory's existence.  Apparently Purgatory just wasn't showing the
> >profits it used to.  It all comes down to the bottom line.
>

> But heaven is free.  And a pure joy compared to purgatory.

The greed of believer shows up here....but you have no idea that there
is nothing free in this world, even in your deluded kingdom.

[� R. L. Measures.]

In article <SKWdnWT-fIavhCrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>� R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> In article <8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>

>>> � R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>
>>>> � Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,

>>>> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
>>>> official.
>>>>
>>> Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
>>> can contradict another on Limbo.
>>

>> � The laugher is that whenever the pope fumbles, TBRCs are quick to

>> excuse it under the plea that the utterance was not ex-cathedra.
>>
>
>I was just discussing this with a Catholic on IRC. He wanted the
>council where Limbo was cooked up.
>
>http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html
>
>The Catholic Church's belief that Baptism is necessary for salvation was
>powerfully expressed in the Decree for the Jacobites at the Council of

>Florence in 1442: �There is no other way to come to the aid [of little

>children] than the sacrament of Baptism by which they are snatched from

>the power of the devil and adopted as children of God�

� chortle. Original sin is laughable. Naturally, after it's invention,
it was necessary for the BVM to retroactively have been conceived without
semen, Saint Augustine thought better - but on this one he was ignored.

"Oh what a tangled Web we weave when first we practice to deceive," --
Walter Scott

>The Pope contradicted that teaching. So much for the infalliblity of
>the magisterium of the Church.

� There is nothing majestic about the Magesterium LG.

[Patrick]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
news:8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com...

We don't have any infallible popes.
We never have had one.
The doctrine of Papal Infallibility does not mean the Pope is always right
in all his personal teachings. Catholics are quite aware that, despite his
great learning, the Pope is very much a human being and therefore liable to
commit human error. On some subjects, like sports and manufacturing, his
judgment is liable to be very faulty. The doctrine simply means that the
Pope is divinely protected from error when, acting in his official capacity
as chief shepherd of the Catholic fold, he promulgates a decision which is
binding on the conscience of all Catholics throughout the world. In other
words, his infallibility is limited to his specialty--the Faith of Jesus
Christ.
In order for the Pope to be infallible on a particular statement, however,
four conditions must apply: 1) he must be speaking ex cathedra . . . that
is, ``from the Chair'' of Peter, or in other words, officially, as head of
the entire Church; 2) the decision must be for the whole Church; 3) it must
be on a matter of faith or morals; 4) the Pope must have the intention of
making a final decision on a teaching of faith or morals, so that it is to
be held by all the faithful. It must be interpretive, not originative; the
Pope has no authority to originate new doctrine. He is not the author of
revelation--only its guardian and expounder. He has no power to distort a
single word of Scripture, or change one iota of divine tradition. His
infallibility is limited strictly to the province of doctrinal
interpretation, and it is used quite rarely. It is used in order to clarify,
to ``define,'' some point of the ancient Christian tradition. It is the
infallibility of which Christ spoke when He said to Peter, the first Pope:
``I will give (o thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou
shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven.'' (Matt. 16:19).
Certainly Christ would not have admonished His followers to ``hear the
church'' (Matt. 18:17) without somehow making certain that what they heard
was the truth--without somehow making the teaching magisterium of His Church
infallible.

For a complete understanding of the Pope's infallibility, however, one more
thing should be known: His ex cathedra decisions are not the result of his
own private deliberations. They are the result of many years--sometimes
hundreds of years--of consultation with the other bishops and theologians of
the Church. He is, in effect, voicing the belief of the whole Church. His
infallibility is not his own private endowment, but rather an endowment of
the entire Mystical Body of Christ. Indeed, the Pope's hands are tied with
regard to the changing of Christian doctrine. No Pope has ever used his
infallibility to change, add, or subtract any Christian teaching; this is
because Our Lord promised to be with His Church until the end of the world.
(Matt. 28:20). Protestant denominations, on the other hand, feel free to
change their doctrines. For example, all Protestant denominations once
taught that contraception was gravely sinful; but since 1930, when the
Church of England's Lambeth Conference decided contraception was no longer a
sin, virtually all Protestant ministers in the world have accepted this
human decision and changed their teaching.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/faq-cc.html

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <RI-dncwTMo-dtyrS...@giganews.com>, Mike Painter

• An infallible Assumption? .

[� R. L. Measures.]

In article <4fb7400a$0$282$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, "thomas p."

� Maybe it's a Miracle Tom?

[Patrick]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote

> The Catholic Church's belief that Baptism is necessary for salvation was
> powerfully expressed in the Decree for the Jacobites at the Council of

> Florence in 1442: �There is no other way to come to the aid [of little

> children] than the sacrament of Baptism by which they are snatched from

> the power of the devil and adopted as children of God�

+ Do you actually believe that this is DOGMA?
+ I really don't see where it declares that this is an
infallible teaching.

> The Pope contradicted that teaching. So much for the infalliblity of the
> magisterium of the Church.

+ When did the pope contradict this "teaching" as you claim?

[Patrick]

"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote ...

> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> skrev i meddelelsen

>> On 5/18/2012 7:40 PM, linuxgal wrote:

>>> . R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>
>>>> . Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April

>>>> 20,
>>>> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
>>>> official.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
>>> can contradict another on Limbo.
>>
>> The RCC is petty clear on this and has been for most of it's existence.
>> The pope is or the magisterium was infallible under rare circumstances.
>> To date, the pope saying he was infallible and Mary being assumed into
>> heaven have been the big two things that they said were infallible.
>
>
>
> Yes, the existence of Purgatory was not an "infallible doctrine". Of
> course this did not prevent Popes from collecting huge sums of money by
> declaring (infallibly one assumes) people's times in Purgatory lessened.
> It must be a sacred mystery how the Pope can infallibly grant indulgences
> to lessen time in a place that does not exist.

No one has ever made that claim, tommy.
Stop trying to lie about Catholic beliefs, and then tearing them down.
Strawman?

[� R. L. Measures.]

In article
<154e56c3-cc0d-4a82...@st3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 15, 8:00=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 09:38:13 +0200, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote=

>:
>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> >> atheist
>>
>> >>> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> >>> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:44:32 -0500
>> >>> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>

>> >>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 04:11:42 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Meas=
>ures.)
>> >>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >In article <20120512000337.174742a8.godd...@fidemturbare.com>, "F=
>idem
>> >>> >> >Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.=

>com>
>> >>> >> >wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:38:02 -0500
>> >>> >> >>"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >>>http://tinyurl.com/6ojtref
>>
>> >>> >> >>> More priests fall out of the closet.
>>
>> >>> >> >>One of the final paragraphs reads:
>>

>> >>> >> >> * "The Vatican should stop this charade of secrecy, identify th=
>e
>> >>> >> >>perpetrators and provide the victims fair compensation," said Be=

>rry,
>> >>> >> >>author of "Render unto Rome," an award-winning book on church
>> >>> >> >>finances with a section on the Legion.
>>

>> >>> >> >>In looking at the picture of the Pope putting his hand on someon=
>e's
>> >>> >> >>forehead as if he had a supernatural power, I was inspired with =

>an
>> >>> >> >>idea that could help the Vatican regain some of its popularity:

>> >>> >> >>Have a fundraiser activity called "Pope for a day" where the luc=

>ky
>> >>> >> >>winner can actually fill in for the Pope for a whole day.
>>

>> >>> >> >=80=80 chortle. This one will probably cost you an extra week in
>> >>> >> >Purgatory.
>>
>> >>> >> =80=80 Heeheehee. Atheists don't go to purgatory.

>>
>> >>> >That means that atheism isn't a sin.
>>
>> >>> Nope, purgatory is the stopping off point on the way to heaven.
>>
>> >>Is their a coffee service?
>>
>> >Yes, and old copies of the Reader's Digest.
>>
>> >I bet all those souls in Purgatory were glad when the Church decided to

>> >cancel Purgatory's existence. =A0Apparently Purgatory just wasn't showin=
>g the
>> >profits it used to. =A0It all comes down to the bottom line.
>>
>> But heaven is free. =A0And a pure joy compared to purgatory.

>
>The greed of believer shows up here....but you have no idea that there
>is nothing free in this world, even in your deluded kingdom.
>

** A curious thing about Catholic Heaven and Catholic Hell is that the
thing heterosexual humans seem to prize most on Earth is apparently only
available in Catholic Hell from succubuses and incubusses.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 06:22:21 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>In article <tbdcr7hv9jhmdmceh...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 05:02:28 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>There is something God requires of you.
>>>>>>>• ... and it's not kissing His Holinesses' ring and believing every
>>>>>>>utterance that emits from His mouth. .
>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>• But you believe every utterance and if given the opportunity you would
>>>>>probably kiss the dude's ring.
>>>>Why wouldn't I believe everything he says. He is tasked by the Lord Jesus to
>>>>lead the Christian faith in following the teachings of God.
>>
>>>• Here's one His Holiness the pope apparently missed: Matthew 18:6 (NIV)
>>> ³If anyone causes one of these little ones‹those who believe in me‹to
>>>stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around
>>>their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
>>
>>Nope, Cardinal Ratziner, now Pope B16, was high instrumental in cleaning the
>>house.

>• Cardinal Ratzinger was instrumental in delaying the jackbooting of
>pedophile/ephebophile priests ---- although he may have seen the light
>after he was elected pope.

He was active in cleaning the house all the way back to the 1960's.

>>> >You have your own
>>>>favorites like the LA Times; I have mine.
>>>
>>>• I don't think the L.A. Times is infallible
>>
>>You show you do.

>• YOU APPARENTLY DID NOT READ WHAT I WROTE BELOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
>AFTER THE MORMON CHURCH BOUGHT UP A HUGE CHUNK OF TIMES-MIRROR STOCK

You believe the LATimes over the studies on pedophilia by the independent
JJCollege of Criminal Justice.

[duke]

Depends on whether or not the fence is Christian.

[duke]

ONLY if he was baptized in a Chruch.

[duke]

Well, you're finally getting close after all this time. But you still missed
the point - no residents of Hell enjoy the succubuses and incubusses - only
satan does.

[duke]

That's an EASY one.

1. They have NEVER contradicted each other.
2. Reason - Limbo was never an ex-cathedra statement.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:31:17 -0700, r...@somis.org (� R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>In article <8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>>� R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>
>>> � Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,
>>> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
>>> official.
>>>
>>
>>Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
>>can contradict another on Limbo.
>
>� The laugher is that whenever the pope fumbles, TBRCs are quick to
>excuse it under the plea that the utterance was not ex-cathedra.

Right, there have only been 2 such statements in the history of the RCC - and
both involved the Blesses Virgin Mary - her Immaculate Conception and her
Assumption into Heaven, body and soul.

You're actually finally starting to catch on, rl.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:50:35 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>� R. L. Measures. wrote:
>> In article <8rGdnXm0qPNQlSrS...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>

>>> � R. L. Measures. wrote:
>>>
>>>> � Limbo was just a theory that was nixed by the present pope on April 20,

>>>> 2007 Pope Benedict XVI.. Purgatory (593, Pope Gregory I). is still
>>>> official.
>>>>
>>> Catholics have to bend over backward explaining how one infallible Pope
>>> can contradict another on Limbo.
>>

>> � The laugher is that whenever the pope fumbles, TBRCs are quick to

>> excuse it under the plea that the utterance was not ex-cathedra.
>>
>
>I was just discussing this with a Catholic on IRC. He wanted the
>council where Limbo was cooked up.

>http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

>The Catholic Church's belief that Baptism is necessary for salvation was
>powerfully expressed in the Decree for the Jacobites at the Council of

>Florence in 1442: �There is no other way to come to the aid [of little

>children] than the sacrament of Baptism by which they are snatched from

>the power of the devil and adopted as children of God�

Yep, John 3:5-7 confirms it.

>The Pope contradicted that teaching. So much for the infalliblity of
>the magisterium of the Church.

Actual scripture takes preference over the Council of Florence.

[duke]

Psalm 51:5 (New International Version)
5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Romans 5:12-13 (New International Version)
Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned�
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not
charged against anyone�s account where there is no law.

Gosh durn, rl, it's amazing how bad you get embarrassed by Holy Script.

>"Oh what a tangled Web we weave when first we practice to deceive," --
>Walter Scott

Did WS get baptized? If not, he may be toying with the flames.

>>The Pope contradicted that teaching. So much for the infalliblity of
>>the magisterium of the Church.

>� There is nothing majestic about the Magesterium LG.

It's better than that. It's led by the Holy Spirit.