billy defending torture of children
james g. keegan jr.
torture of children
the initial article follows in its entirely followed by an unedited
defense from billy mosco.
he'll delete much in his response and then lie about it.
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From: "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com>
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OpEdNews
Original Content at
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bush-Tortured-Children-an-by-Mary-Shaw-0
90809-133.html
August 9, 2009
Bush Tortured Children, and America Yawns
By Mary Shaw
At an Amnesty International conference a few years ago, I had the honor
of attending a talk by Clive Stafford Smith, a British attorney who
represents some of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.
Smith shared some alarming details about the abuse that his clients
received. Perhaps most shocking was Smith's description of cigarette
burns and other scars that covered the body of a teenage prisoner. This
boy had been taken into custody when he was only 14 years old.
And this kid is allegedly not the only child who has been forced to
experience the nightmare that is Gitmo.
In a forthcoming book, Hearts of Darkness: Torturing Children in the War
on Terror, which was recently excerpted at truthout.org, author Henry A.
Giroux describes some of these cases in horrifying detail. He
righteously condemns the culture of cruelty in which this kind of thing
is even possible, and the "resounding silence" on the part of the media,
which keeps it off the public radar.
But, even if the mainstream media did find the courage to cover these
atrocities, would it make a difference?
It seems as though many Americans have become so desensitized by the
right-wing spin machine that they see all Muslims as the enemy, in an
overly simplistic "us vs. them" kind of mindset.
Influenced by haters like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and
Sean Hannity, they think every Middle Eastern person looks suspicious.
Influenced by those right-wing extremists, they see every Muslim as a
jihadist who wants to finish the job that the 9/11 hijackers started.
And, influenced by those right-wing extremists, they regard the
perceived "enemy" as less than human. Like the "gooks" of World War II
and Vietnam, the "towelheads" and "hajis" of Iraq and Afghanistan are
painted with one big broad brush. Even the children. How else could they
justify the killing and maiming of so many innocent civilian men, women,
and children, and the torture of any human being, let alone a child?
This is what we have become, seduced by the misguided emotional
appeasement of hate.
We attacked an unarmed nation that posed no threat to us or to its
neighbors. Then we tortured human beings. We abused children. And we
killed the innocent. All paid for with our tax dollars.
America has lost its conscience.
If we are ever to regain a moral standing in this world, Americans need
to wake up and see these atrocities for what they truly are: War crimes,
and crimes against humanity
And, if we are ever to regain a moral standing in this world, those who
committed these crimes -- and those who authorized them -- must be held
accountable.
And they must be held up as an example of a foreign policy gone terribly
wrong, a foreign policy gone evil.
Because what is more evil than these things that have been done in our
name in the past eight years?
There is no excuse.
No excuse at all.
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From: william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com>
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> OpEdNews
>
> Original Content at
> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bush-Tortured-Children-an-by-Mary-Shaw-0
> 90809-133.html
>
> August 9, 2009
>
> Bush Tortured Children, and America Yawns
>
> By Mary Shaw
>
> At an Amnesty International conference a few years ago, I had the honor
> of attending a talk by Clive Stafford Smith, a British attorney who
> represents some of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.
>
> Smith shared some alarming details about the abuse that his clients
> received. Perhaps most shocking was Smith's description of cigarette
> burns and other scars that covered the body of a teenage prisoner. This
> boy had been taken into custody when he was only 14 years old.
>
> And this kid is allegedly not the only child who has been forced to
> experience the nightmare that is Gitmo.
>
> In a forthcoming book, Hearts of Darkness: Torturing Children in the War
> on Terror, which was recently excerpted at truthout.org, author Henry A.
> Giroux describes some of these cases in horrifying detail. He
> righteously condemns the culture of cruelty in which this kind of thing
> is even possible, and the "resounding silence" on the part of the media,
> which keeps it off the public radar.
>
> But, even if the mainstream media did find the courage to cover these
> atrocities, would it make a difference?
>
> It seems as though many Americans have become so desensitized by the
> right-wing spin machine that they see all Muslims as the enemy, in an
> overly simplistic "us vs. them" kind of mindset.
>
> Influenced by haters like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and
> Sean Hannity, they think every Middle Eastern person looks suspicious.
>
> Influenced by those right-wing extremists, they see every Muslim as a
> jihadist who wants to finish the job that the 9/11 hijackers started.
>
> And, influenced by those right-wing extremists, they regard the
> perceived "enemy" as less than human. Like the "gooks" of World War II
> and Vietnam, the "towelheads" and "hajis" of Iraq and Afghanistan are
> painted with one big broad brush. Even the children. How else could they
> justify the killing and maiming of so many innocent civilian men, women,
> and children, and the torture of any human being, let alone a child?
>
> This is what we have become, seduced by the misguided emotional
> appeasement of hate.
>
> We attacked an unarmed nation that posed no threat to us or to its
> neighbors. Then we tortured human beings. We abused children. And we
> killed the innocent. All paid for with our tax dollars.
>
> America has lost its conscience.
>
> If we are ever to regain a moral standing in this world, Americans need
> to wake up and see these atrocities for what they truly are: War crimes,
> and crimes against humanity
>
> And, if we are ever to regain a moral standing in this world, those who
> committed these crimes -- and those who authorized them -- must be held
> accountable.
>
> And they must be held up as an example of a foreign policy gone terribly
> wrong, a foreign policy gone evil.
>
> Because what is more evil than these things that have been done in our
> name in the past eight years?
>
> There is no excuse.
>
> No excuse at all.
More liberal hearsay we're supposed to accept as truth.
william mosco
End repost------------------------------------------
Disbelief in the credibility of the claims of this Author does *not*
equate to the defense of child molestation.
That is an obscene stretch of logic bordering on ludicrous.
The opening line is a lie. Bush did not torture children.
Retract your claim that I defended the molestation of children.
james g. keegan jr.
<ad3dadfd-847b-47c3...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
of course it does, billy.
you've gone so far in dozens of torture posts to define torture as non
torture to help you overcome the shame of your remarks.
william mosco
You are insane.
james g. keegan jr.
<484767aa-16dc-46f6...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
you can keep calling me names. that'll make readers forget about your
hateful positions.
pnyikos
> In article
> <ad3dadfd-847b-47c3-b7a4-f1f37e7fe...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Keegan shows his bizarre side, with his nonstandard use of the word
"defended".
> > james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> > > here is one lengthy discussion in which billy repeatedly defended the
> > > torture of children
Keegan probably knows just how un-standard his use of the word
"defended" is, because he tries to buttress it with a ridiculous
prediction which is meant to convey the impression that it is
necessary for Mosco to delete *anything* to defend himself from this
irresponsible charge by Keegan:
> > > he'll delete much in his response and then lie about it.
He did neither.
Adding to the irony of the situation is that Keegan is known far and
wide for his blatantly self-serving selective deletia.
[headers deleted]
> > > August 9, 2009
>
> > > Bush Tortured Children, and America Yawns
>
> > > By Mary Shaw
>
> > > At an Amnesty International conference a few years ago, I had the honor
> > > of attending a talk by Clive Stafford Smith, a British attorney who
> > > represents some of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.
>
> > > Smith shared some alarming details about the abuse that his clients
> > > received. Perhaps most shocking was Smith's description of cigarette
> > > burns and other scars that covered the body of a teenage prisoner. This
> > > boy had been taken into custody when he was only 14 years old.
It isn't customary to call a teenager a "child", but let that pass.
> > > And this kid is allegedly not the only child who has been forced to
> > > experience the nightmare that is Gitmo.
Nowhere does the article support the claim in the title that Bush,
himself, tortured children--and no evidence is given justifying the
word "children" as opposed to "at least one child."
I've deleted a really flaky far-left rant by the author, painting the
whole conservative movement with a brush designed for tarring true
bigots. And, like a typical member of the leftist intelligensia, she
uses the word "we" when she obviously means "they":
> > > This is what we have become, seduced by the misguided emotional
> > > appeasement of hate.
>
> > > We attacked an unarmed nation that posed no threat to us or to its
> > > neighbors. Then we tortured human beings. We abused children. And we
> > > killed the innocent. All paid for with our tax dollars.
Now we shift to the words of Mosco, from a later post where Mosco
added exactly this much (so much for "repeatedly"):
> > > More liberal hearsay we're supposed to accept as truth.
> > Disbelief in the credibility of the claims of this Author does *not*
> > equate to the defense of child molestation.
>
> of course it does, billy.
Keegan, do you disbelieve Wilson Woods's allegation that Ray Fischer
is a child rapist?
If so, does your logic impel you to admit that you defend child rape?
Peter Nyikos
james g. keegan jr.
<cca5aa2c-b20a-4ec3...@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 9:47�pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ad3dadfd-847b-47c3-b7a4-f1f37e7fe...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> > �william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> Keegan shows his bizarre side, with his nonstandard use of the word
> "defended".
let's agree, whoever you are, that i'll respond only to your first lie
in each post and cut everything that follows as i ddi here.
[...]
pnyikos
>
> pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 9:47 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <ad3dadfd-847b-47c3-b7a4-f1f37e7fe...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> > > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Keegan shows his bizarre side, with his nonstandard use of the word
> > "defended".
>
> let's agree, whoever you are, that i'll respond only to your first lie
> in each post and cut everything that follows as i ddi here.
>
> [...]
Since we totally disagree on what sort of things fit your description,
we obviously can't agree on the policy you propose. Besides, you
really did a big exception to your alleged policy in "Evidence that
Keegan is a fruitcake, a sociopath, and a sicko."
Anyway, you deleted a question of mine. Here it is again, in context:
------------------------ begin repost, identifiers added:
[Mosco:]
> > > More liberal hearsay we're supposed to accept as truth.
[Mosco again:]
> > Disbelief in the credibility of the claims of this Author does *not*
> > equate to the defense of child molestation.
[Keegan:]
> of course it does, billy.
Keegan, do you disbelieve Wilson Woods's allegation that Ray Fischer
is a child rapist?
If so, does your logic impel you to admit that you defend child rape?
Peter Nyikos
-------------------- end of repost
james g. keegan jr.
<9dc937ea-5a4f-42eb...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 5:27�pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <cca5aa2c-b20a-4ec3-9af3-a70420a0c...@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Oct 9, 9:47�pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <ad3dadfd-847b-47c3-b7a4-f1f37e7fe...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > �william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Keegan shows his bizarre side, with his nonstandard use of the word
> > > "defended".
> >
> > let's agree, whoever you are, that i'll respond only to your first lie
> > in each post and cut everything that follows as i ddi here.
> >
> > [...]
[...]
Dr. Michael Mancini
james g. keegan jr. <jgke...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The "liar posting a peter nyikos?" Something tells me someone drug Junior's
arse to court and he was ordered not to defame Peter Nyikos in any way,
shape or form. So he's saying this in order to avoid penalties. Is that it,
Junior?
Or is it that Peter Nyikos is much more intelligent and a skilled flamer
than you are, or ever hope to be? You seem to THINK you know who I am, yet
you seem to not have the slightest udea who HE is. Of course, the possiblity
of someone more intelligent than you are isn't a stretch, since you're
pretty stupid to begin with. And you've grown more senile and paranoid with
each passing year, I've observed.