Liberal Damnocratic lies!!!
mudbum
>
>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>
*** It seems to me that one reason we are in this newsgroup is a direct
consequence of what the LIBERAL congress and the LIBERAL supreme
court decided and passed laws on decades ago. Therefore, it seems
that (taken in context), matters of politics can be discussed here.
mudbum
>This should be a hoot, lets continue reading.....
>
>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, JBomas wrote:
>
>"now?" "NOW"?? We've had liars in the white house for YEARS!
*** True.
>Bush had ties to the S&L Scandal!
*** What are you talking about. His son (who was cleared of all charges)
did. If you mean: Bush's SON had 'ties' to the S&L scandal; then
I would agree to a certain extent.
>Reagan was directly involved in the Iran-Contra Affair!
*** ALL who participated say he knew nothing. Funny how liberals
love to make fun of Ronny by saying how absent-minded he was
(etc) but when it comes to 'iran-contra' he was some sort of
masterminding-genius.
>Nixon had Watergate!
*** Man, you sure are picking bad examples. Nixon KNEW nothing of the
break-in until AFTER the fact, at which time he made the terrible
decision to try and internally correct the situation. Bad choice.
>
>Bush and Reagan directly lied to the public, REPEATEDLY,
*** Then it should be easy for you to document some of these 'lies'.
Please list 3 'lies' told 'directly to the public':
as well as to
>Congress
*** Again, please list a few...
and Bomas has the nerve to act like NOW we have dishonesty???
*** I won't speak for Bomas, but I will say that this administration
has certainly had it's share of 'truth-bending'.
>
>Yeah...the Republicans under Bush and Reagan were smart enough to not
>talk to anyone when they lied... its much simplier and smoother.....
*** What? Nice doublespeak for: Clinton's administration gets caught
lying (etc) and I can't defend them, so I'll make unprovable
soundbites about previous Republican administrations.
>
>Oh really?? Dole fillabusters the government,
*** First of all, Dole did not 'fillabuster' the 'government'. I believe
you mean 'filibuster', which is what takes place in Congress. And,
Dole did nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, I as a
conservative, wished that someone in Congress (the Senate in this
case) would have in many instances where the democratically
controlled congress was screwing the American people.
Gingrich helps shut us
>down twice,
*** What are you talking about? Gingrich... Do you know of any congress
men or Senators other than what you see on the Good Morning America?
The fact is, that the Republicans sent the President a budget
proposal (that he agreed to compromise on) and the President then
backed out (uh, lied). Without the budget allocated, work stops.
That's how it goes. The President is fighting this just as hard as
he can. Stop whining about 'Gingrich'. I'm surprised you haven't
thrown a "RUSH is REICH" in yet.
and you think the Clinton is the one to be watched????
*** 'Nuff said...
>
>Funny...I SWEAR it was the Republicans who shut down the government..TWICE
*** Do you ever read anything other than the headlines or the funnies?
Uh, THE PRESIDENT made a deal. THEN THE PRESIDENT backed out.
That is why the government 'shut down'. I am curious though,
how were YOU directly affected by the 'shutdown'?
Your roadstops along the highway of history seem to detour some
other important events: Viet Nam (find out who started and who
ended this, making sure to read Robert McNamara's books), the
now accepted fact that ROOSEVELT not only knew about and could
have done something about the concentration camps in Germany
from the beginning of the war, but kept the war going by NOT
taking Germany sooner, so as to continue economic growth here
in America, and Bill Clinton and "white-water gate".
Just a few examples of some 'liberal' lies...
By the way, I do not defend the lies of either party since I do
not wish to be either a Republican or Democrat. However, I find
it amusing, your lack of historical perspective.
JBomas
<vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>
>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>material be posted on someother newsgroup
The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as government
dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
here.
Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
***
Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
->>
->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
->
->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
That you're a misinformed idiot?
->
->Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
->following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
->***
->Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
->Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
->Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**
Stop pouting. I suspect you deserved it.
--
Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them
first for seven hours, they always come out tender.
-- W. C. Fields
Lawrence E. McKnight
>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 00:49:01 -0800, Harvin Queen
><star...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>>This should be a hoot, lets continue reading.....
>
>Why did you cut off my source.........I was trying to give credit to
>that particular publication.......you just snipped it eh? That says
>volumes about your character.
>BTW........it is from.......Source:
> The Washington Times
> National Weekly Edition
> Capital Business, p.12
> December 25-31, 1995
>
Jim, you should have been happy that the 'source' was snipped. Usually,
when you use a biased source, you neglect to indentify the source.
If you consider the ownership of the Washington Times, you just might
start to doubt them.
[snip..
---------------
Larry McKnight
(this space unintentionally left blank.....
Lawrence E. McKnight
>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, JBomas wrote:
>
[snipp....
>> Harv: Bush had ties to the S & L ? Proof?
>> Reagan involved in Iran-Contra.......What was the Iran Contra Harv?
>> Yes Nixon had Watergate......he had someone break in a building to
>> take some papers..........Terrible eh? Vincent Foster died where?by
>> whom? Do you believe in Farrakan and Revvvvrent Jessie jjjjjJackson
>> too? You are a follower eh?
>
>You dont know Iran-Contra? Oh, you know. Where Reagan said he wouldnt
>negotiate with terrorists, then turned around and sold weapons to them to
>allegedly "negotiate for hostages" being held in Iran....
> If you had a TV at all, or even read the paper...you could hardly have
>missed it.
>
>The S&L Scandal?? Many of Bush's constituents were placed in charge of
>the Savings and Loan programs through "appointment". When the country
>lost a few Billion dollars, notice these men went to White-Collar
>prisions, and were put on payment plans of $100-$1000 a month (which is
>PIDDLY-CHANGE to multi-millionaires).
Hey, Jim is probably in denial. He doesn't want to deal with the fact
the Bush's son was in the S&L scam up to his eyebrows.
Sami's Mom and Dad
: On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
: <vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
: >
: >The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
: >material be posted on someother newsgroup
: The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
: Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
: Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as government
: dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
: here.
KUDOS!
Stacy
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Loren Petrich
>*** It seems to me that one reason we are in this newsgroup is a direct
> consequence of what the LIBERAL congress and the LIBERAL supreme
> court decided and passed laws on decades ago. Therefore, it seems
> that (taken in context), matters of politics can be discussed here.
What's a "liberal"? Anyone you don't like, Mr. Mudbum??? :-):-)
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>Harvin Queen <star...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>This should be a hoot, lets continue reading.....
>>Bush had ties to the S&L Scandal!
>*** What are you talking about. His son (who was cleared of all charges)
> did.
Mr. Mudbum, I thought you believed in Ed Meese's view that if you
are charged with something, that means that you are guilty.
>>Reagan was directly involved in the Iran-Contra Affair!
>*** ALL who participated say he knew nothing.
If so, then he was absolutely AWOL.
>>Nixon had Watergate!
>*** Man, you sure are picking bad examples. ...
Don't like how embarrassing he was to The Party??? :-)
[other expressions of embarrassment at the conduct of Party
leaders like Dole and GinGrinch deleted...]
> Your roadstops along the highway of history seem to detour some
> other important events: Viet Nam (find out who started and who
> ended this, making sure to read Robert McNamara's books),
You right-wingers were all for the war, remember??? Now you want
to rewrite history in a fashion that would make Stalin proud.
... the
> now accepted fact that ROOSEVELT not only knew about and could
> have done something about the concentration camps in Germany
> from the beginning of the war, but kept the war going by NOT
> taking Germany sooner, so as to continue economic growth here
> in America,
Pure fairy tale. He had a big "America First" isolationist lobby
to contend with ("America First" is more like Pat Buchanan than some
stereotypical liberal).
... and Bill Clinton and "white-water gate".
So?
I will concede that I am disappointed in the First Couple -- for
awhile I thought that this nation would get good leadership, but our
Commander in Chief turned out to be a political invertebrate who gets
involved in some embarrassing real-estate dealings.
JBomas
wrote:
>In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
>-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>->>
>->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>->
>->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>
>Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
>*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
>indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
>the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
clinic..........they send them next door. That makes your statement
true and a big lie. That is how these liberal damnocrats have fooled
everyone. They calmly lie about what they do or what they recommend
done and where to go. My you believe them eh? It show volumes about
who you are. Do you watch ABC,CBS,CNN & NBC also......I thought so.
>->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
>
>That you're a misinformed idiot?
No that I am saying it the way it is......all true. I don't attempt to
fool by saying 5% or so when all they do is send them somewhere else.
Shame on you.
I'll ignore the "idiot' part..........it takes one to know one.
Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
***
Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
JBomas
wrote:
> I will concede that I am disappointed in the First Couple -- for
>awhile I thought that this nation would get good leadership, but our
>Commander in Chief turned out to be a political invertebrate who gets
>involved in some embarrassing real-estate dealings.
>--
>Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
Why didn't Bozo stop the fighting in Bosnia several hundred thousand
casualties ago............what a loser and a pansy.
Its about time you opened your eyes on who Clinton and his
accomplice are..........to get even more intelligent find out how
Reagan single handedly out spent the Communists thus causing their
present bankruptcy and demise. Brilliant is what he is/was. Not one
shot was fired.......and the damnocrats fought him every inch of the
way.
Sami's Mom and Dad
Mark A. Cochran (coc...@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
: JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: ->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
: -><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
: ->>
: ->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
: ->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
: ->
: ->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
: Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
: *some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
: indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
: the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
When I went to PP as a 17 year old, to get a pregnancy test... I was
asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
was assumed because I was there. When I told the lady I would be keeping
my child, she looked at my as if I had lost my mind... Now.. you tell
me.. what does PP expect when a young girl walks through their doors? It
sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently..
they PROVED it to me by their actions..and their desire to see my child
die instead of live... Shes alive and well.. NO thanks to PP .. the name
is VERY misleading!
Stacy
: That you're a misinformed idiot?
No... he has it RIGHT on the money!
Ronald W. Perry
}On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
}<vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
}>
}>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
}>material be posted on someother newsgroup
}The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
}Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
} Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as government
}dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
}here.
I always thought it was Banned Parenthood, or maybe Planned Barenhood.
Ironic that they work so hard at avoiding Parenthood when their name
implies the opposite.
------------
Ron
Lawrence E. McKnight
>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>
>The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
> Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as government
>dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
>here.
Bomas, what abortions has government 'dictated'?
>
>
>Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
>following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
>***
>Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**
>
---------------
HisScreami
: Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?"
Nope. They are called exactly what they are. Planned Parenthood. Not
having a child until you're ready to care for it. Every child a wanted
child. Wanted by the parents.
PP also distributes birth control to people who can't afford it. And
there are many many other abortion clinics in this country besides PP.
What's your point, Tim?
~~~ The Screamer ~~~
It's my body. It's my choice. Stay out of my body, and I'll stay out of
your face.
HisScreami
government
: dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
: here."
My uterus is NONE of your business.
That's the whole pro-choice stance, honey.
Louis Cypher
Ooooo! Anecdotal evidence!
>: That you're a misinformed idiot?
>
>No... he has it RIGHT on the money!
The 'money' is made when the woman carries the pregnancy to term. It
really burns you up inside that nobody takes your proclamations as fact.
'Slaughter house'. It's always sad watching fundies lower into Empty
Rhetoric mode.
HisScreami
to PP as a 17 year old, to get a pregnancy test... I was
> asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
> to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
> was assumed because I was there"
I've worked for PP. NEVER has this EVER been an issue. I think that
either you got a whacked counselor, or you're making it up. If it really
happened, then I am sorry for you. But I have serious doubts of it's
authenticity.
And again, the person says "Now.. you tell
> me.. what does PP expect when a young girl walks through their doors? It
> sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
> PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently.. "
Again, I whole-heartedly disagree. I've worked there. And I have Never
seen or heard of such a thing.
JBomas
wrote:
>mel...@ix.netcom.com (JBomas) wrote:
>
>}On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
>}<vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>
>}>
>}>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>}>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>
>}The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>}Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
>} Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as government
>}dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
>}here.
>
>
>I always thought it was Banned Parenthood, or maybe Planned Barenhood.
>Ironic that they work so hard at avoiding Parenthood when their name
>implies the opposite.
>
>------------
>Ron
Ron......as long as I have been on here the pro-aborts always want to
control the language we speak. Nice words that fit their little minds.
zygote/fetus etc. 'Baby' bothers them. Planned Parenthood was the
same... they liked that name better then Banned Parenthood or Abortion
Clinic. Personally I call them Abortuaries.
They pride themselves in how few abortions the PP really does...of
course they fail to tell you that they send them, down the street to
have an abortion.....looks better.
"Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster."<VBG>
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->wrote:
->>In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->>->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR->>->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
->>->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
->>->
->>->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
->>
->>Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
->>*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
->>indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
->>the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
->
->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
->clinic..........they send them next door.
Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
dung.
->>->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
->>
->>That you're a misinformed idiot?
->
->No that I am saying it the way it is......all true.
I think it's been pretty clearly shown that what you are saying is,
actually, diametrically opposed to 'the way it is'.
->Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
->following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
->***
->Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
->Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
->Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
->
Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
--
"My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling
Alley!!"
-- Zippy the Pinhead
Lawrence E. McKnight
>On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:47:51 GMT, pet...@netcom.com (Loren Petrich)
>wrote:
>
>
>> I will concede that I am disappointed in the First Couple -- for
>>awhile I thought that this nation would get good leadership, but our
>>Commander in Chief turned out to be a political invertebrate who gets
>>involved in some embarrassing real-estate dealings.
>>--
>>Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
>
>Why didn't Bozo stop the fighting in Bosnia several hundred thousand
>casualties ago............what a loser and a pansy.
Sorry, Jim. You got the Presidential Nickname wrong. He appeared in
the movie Bedtime for Bonzo (not Bozo).
> Its about time you opened your eyes on who Clinton and his
>accomplice are..........to get even more intelligent find out how
>Reagan single handedly out spent the Communists thus causing their
>present bankruptcy and demise. Brilliant is what he is/was. Not one
>shot was fired.......and the damnocrats fought him every inch of the
>way.
Yep. that is why all that money was appropriated by a Democratic
Congress.
Of course, it now seem that the CIA had everything all screwed up, and
the money was wasted.
>
>
>Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
>following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
>***
>Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>
---------------
Jamilyn Daniels
On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, JBomas wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
> >-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
> >->>
> >->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
> >->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
> >->
> >->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
> >
> >Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
> >*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
> >indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
> >the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
>
> Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
> clinic..........they send them next door. That makes your statement
> true and a big lie.
Huh?
That is how these liberal damnocrats have fooled
> everyone. They calmly lie about what they do or what they recommend
> done and where to go. My you believe them eh? It show volumes about
> who you are. Do you watch ABC,CBS,CNN & NBC also......I thought so.
>
Bomas, have you ever been to, worked in, or been a client in a planned
parenthood? IF not how in h*ll do you think you know what goes on? I
think watching the news is a better way to get info (second to
researching it yourself) than listening to antiabortionbabble.
> >->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
> >
> >That you're a misinformed idiot?
>
> No that I am saying it the way it is......all true. I don't attempt to
> fool by saying 5% or so when all they do is send them somewhere else.
> Shame on you.
Abortion is just a PART of what pp does. Most people are only coming in
to get birth control, pap smears, condoms, etc. I can refer someone to a
clinic that does abortions by reading the name in the phone book. Does
that make me the "abortion provider"??????
> I'll ignore the "idiot' part..........it takes one to know one.
>
Jamilyn Daniels
> Distribution:
>
> : In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> : JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> : ->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
> : -><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
> : ->>
> : ->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
> : ->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
> : ->
> : ->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>
> : Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
> : *some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
> : indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
> : the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
>
> asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
> to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
> sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
> PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently..
> die instead of live... Shes alive and well.. NO thanks to PP .. the name
> is VERY misleading!
I think that was a wrong way for the counselor to act. That is
inappropriate. However, many doctors act in this way too (paternalistic
and directive) in other fields. That does not mean that is the policy of
all doctors, nor is this the policy of planned parenthood. Although it
is everyones right to refuse to go back to a place that mistreated you,
it doesn't mean that that is the only way that everyone is treated at
that place.
>
> Stacy
>
> : That you're a misinformed idiot?
>
> No... he has it RIGHT on the money!
>
One incident does not prove anything, except to the person who
experienced it.
> --
>
> We can be reached at the following addresses:
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>
>
Jamilyn
Mark A. Cochran
Sami's Mom and Dad <ti...@ccnet.com> wrote:
->Mark A. Cochran (coc...@netcom.com) wrote:
->: In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
->: JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->: -><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
->: ->>
->: ->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
->: ->
->: ->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
->: Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
->: *some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
->: indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
->: the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
->
-> When I went to PP as a 17 year old, to get a pregnancy test... I was
->asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
->to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
->was assumed because I was there. When I told the lady I would be keeping
->my child, she looked at my as if I had lost my mind... Now.. you tell
->me.. what does PP expect when a young girl walks through their doors?
The person you encountered was in violation of PP standards. Are you
the sort of fool who judges all by the acts of one? That's the sort of
logic that causes bigots to claim that, since one <insert race> here
did something obnoxious to them, all persons of <race> are scum.
->It
->sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
All you learned is that there may exist some individuals who do not
follow established policy. And what we've learned about you is that
you're the sort of bigot who judges groups by the acts of
individuals. I pity minorities who live near you.
->PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently..
You can choose to be any sort of bigot you like; it's not illegal,
even though it is certainly foolish and reprehensible.
->they PROVED it to me by their actions..and their desire to see my child
->die instead of live... Shes alive and well.. NO thanks to PP .. the name
->is VERY misleading!
->
Nothing misleading in the least, to any with the wit of an 8 year old.
The name means, clearly, that parenthood should be planned, not
something that just happens.
M. Price
>In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>->On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
>->wrote:
>->>In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>->>->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
>->>-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>->>->>
>->>->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>->>->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>->>->
>->>->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>->>
>->>Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
>->>*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
>->>indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
>->>the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
>->
>->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
>->clinic..........they send them next door.
>Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
>I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
>Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
>store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
>across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
>dung.
Just for the record, I'd like to point out that last time I went to
Planned Parenthood, it wasbecause I had a flat tire.
--
"A woman is not a basket you place your buns in to keep them warm, not a
brood hen you can slip duck eggs under, not a purse, holding the coins
of your descendants till you spend them in wars." (Marge Piercy)
mp
Neal
>In a post that's about 15 deep, someone is quoted as saying "When I went
>to PP as a 17 year old, to get a pregnancy test... I was
>> asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
>
>> to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
>> was assumed because I was there"
>
>I've worked for PP. NEVER has this EVER been an issue. I think that
>either you got a whacked counselor, or you're making it up. If it really
>happened, then I am sorry for you. But I have serious doubts of it's
>authenticity.
>
>And again, the person says "Now.. you tell
>> me.. what does PP expect when a young girl walks through their doors? It
>
>> sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
>> PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently.. "
>
>Again, I whole-heartedly disagree. I've worked there. And I have Never
>seen or heard of such a thing.
That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to, the
ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the
same goal, to kill babies.
Neal
Picture of a woman with a t-shirt | Picture of a baby in
that said..... |heaven with a t-shirt that
|said.....
__________________________________|_____________________________
|
"I survived many attempts to | "I didn't!"
end abortion" |
|
__________________________________|_____________________________
Jamilyn Daniels
> >
> >If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
> >uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!! As long as you are financing
> >your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please. Exception: if
> >you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
> >again it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for the interests of
> >the baby.
> >
> >Ginger Stolp
>
> *** Man, Ginger you are so right. That is such a valid point. As long
> as my money is being spent, then YES it is my business. Just
> as it my business how we fund welfare, defense or other things.
> If the proabs want to have the CHOICE they so desperately seek,
> then the first step in that direction is to get their hands out
> of my pocketbook and PAY THEIR OWN WAY. Now, I also agree with
> you that as long as they are murdering babies, then I want them
> stopped, but the hypocrisy of their stand is so evident in there
> use of OUR money to fund THEIR sick 'choice'.
>
> Ginger, "I love you man.."
>
> MudbuM OUT
So it's OK if I pay for it out of my pocket? Then where is your valid
arguement against abortion? Kind of goes down the toilet, doesn't it?
Besides, Ginger's arguement basically is: It's my business if I pay for
it, or if it has to do with abortion of a "small child" (prolifers jargon
for fetus?). Doesn't that seem to simply say "no abortion"?????
Jamilyn
Lawrence E. McKnight
>In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>->***
>->Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>->Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>->Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>->
>Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
Well, he often does put people on his list who just use words like
'fool' and 'fundie', but his official position is that the word is
'fuck', usually in the form of 'Jim is a fuckwit'.
>--
>"My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling
>Alley!!"
> -- Zippy the Pinhead
---------------
mudbum
>
>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!! As long as you are financing
>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please. Exception: if
>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>again it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for the interests of
>the baby.
>
>Ginger Stolp
*** Man, Ginger you are so right. That is such a valid point. As long
as my money is being spent, then YES it is my business. Just
as it my business how we fund welfare, defense or other things.
If the proabs want to have the CHOICE they so desperately seek,
then the first step in that direction is to get their hands out
of my pocketbook and PAY THEIR OWN WAY. Now, I also agree with
you that as long as they are murdering babies, then I want them
stopped, but the hypocrisy of their stand is so evident in there
use of OUR money to fund THEIR sick 'choice'.
Ginger, "I love you man.."
MudbuM OUT
>
>>
Ginger M. Stolp
hissc...@aol.com (HisScreami) wrote:
>TimT says "Of course politics belongs in this News group as long as
>government
>: dictates and pays for abortions. Its OUR BUSINESS and it belongs right
>: here."
>
>
>That's the whole pro-choice stance, honey.
>
If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!! As long as you are financing
your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please. Exception: if
you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
again it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for the interests of
the baby.
Ginger Stolp
>
mudbum
>
>~~~ The Screamer ~~~
>
>It's my body. It's my choice. Stay out of my body, and I'll stay out of
>your face.
>
Jamilyn Daniels
> hissc...@aol.com (HisScreami) wrote:
>
> >In a post that's about 15 deep, someone is quoted as saying "When I went
> >to PP as a 17 year old, to get a pregnancy test... I was
> >> asked, after the "councelor" told me my test was positive, when I wanted
> >
> >> to schedule my "abortion" .. not once was I asked IF I wanted one.. it
> >> was assumed because I was there"
> >
> >I've worked for PP. NEVER has this EVER been an issue. I think that
> >either you got a whacked counselor, or you're making it up. If it really
> >happened, then I am sorry for you. But I have serious doubts of it's
> >authenticity.
> >
> >And again, the person says "Now.. you tell
> >> me.. what does PP expect when a young girl walks through their doors? It
> >
> >> sure aint to help a life into the world.. I learned that first hand.
> >> PP is a slaughter house.. and no one can make me see it differently.. "
> >
> >Again, I whole-heartedly disagree. I've worked there. And I have Never
> >seen or heard of such a thing.
>
>
> That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to, the
> ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
> your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the
> same goal, to kill babies.
>
> Neal
>
>
I can't believe you honestly think that. Maybe I'm a tad bit naive, but
where do you get such outrageous beliefs from? Some obscure pro-life
"news" paper?
Jamilyn
Jamilyn Daniels
Nice response. Idiotic and empty, but nice. Just kidding.
Susan Garvin
Mark A. Cochran <coc...@netcom.com> wrote:
#In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
#JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[text deleted]
#-#Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
#-#following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
#-#***
#-#Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
#-#Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
#-#Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
#-#
#Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
It's not clear. He originally claimed that he put people
on his list if they used the word "fuck." However, lots
of people who have repeatedly used the word (or a variant)
in response to Bomas are not on his list, and at least two
(Fischer and Keegan, oddly enough) who have never used
the word in response to Bomas *are* on the list.
He responds to people on his list, btw. He just changes
the attribution lines and hopes no one notices.
I must have deleted my favorite Bomasquote. It had to
do with women envying men's crotches as if they were
jewels. Did anyone save it?
Susan
Susan Garvin
M. Price <mp...@troi.cc.rochester.edu> wrote:
# Just for the record, I'd like to point out that last time I went to
#Planned Parenthood, it wasbecause I had a flat tire.
Don't stop there - give us the details. Did they strap you to
a table and insist that you have a quick abortion while you
waited for AAA?
Susan
HisScreami
the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
goal, to kill babies."
Wrong.
PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
other way?
Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
HisScreami
concerning __your__ uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!!"
First of all, I've stated again and again that I do not support most
federally funded abortions. In cases where the woman is entirely too poor
to pay for the abortion, or another child, or in cases of rape or incest,
I do support it, otherwise, I do not.
But still. Just because you pay for something doesn't mean you have a
RIGHT to it, hon. Do you have the right to all those Nuclear weapons ol'
Regan built? Nope. And you still don't have any business in my uterus.
Then she says "Exception: if you are planning to kill a small child that
is residing in your uterus then again it becomes my business. Someone has
to look out for the interests of the baby."
So, you're telling me that every woman in this country's uterus is your
business? Come back to earth.
Louis Cypher
Susan Garvin <gar...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>In article <cochranD...@netcom.com>,
>Mark A. Cochran <coc...@netcom.com> wrote:
>#In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>#JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>[text deleted]
>#-#Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
>#-#following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
>#-#***
>#-#Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>#-#Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>#-#Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>#-#
>#Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
>
>It's not clear. He originally claimed that he put people
>on his list if they used the word "fuck." However, lots
>of people who have repeatedly used the word (or a variant)
>in response to Bomas are not on his list, and at least two
>(Fischer and Keegan, oddly enough) who have never used
>the word in response to Bomas *are* on the list.
>
>He responds to people on his list, btw. He just changes
>the attribution lines and hopes no one notices.
He started a new thread with one of my articles attributed to 'some
promoter of abortion'. Maybe he thought I wouldn't recognize my own
words. Also, i've never 'promoted' abortion, but that's just being
nitpicky.
>I must have deleted my favorite Bomasquote. It had to
>do with women envying men's crotches as if they were
>jewels. Did anyone save it?
I remember it. But alas, I don't have it. I do have the old Bomas standby
though -
>{Jim Bomas (Mel...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>{" I see no reason why a woman who has a unsatiable appetite for the
>{male genitals should not be surgically fixed."
Nice to see you again.
Ray Fischer
>hissc...@aol.com (HisScreami) wrote:
>>Neal says "That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to,
>>the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
>>your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
>>goal, to kill babies."
>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>>PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
>>
>Bull! And you know it.
Here's a clue: You are a liar or a fool. Either you're repeating
this disinformation because you're too stupid to know better, or you
do know better and you're flagrantly dishonest.
Clear?
> Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
>to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
A woman who died how many years ago?
Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
taking medicare patients? Did you happen to know that they provide a
wide range of services? Did you know that there are PP clininc that
do NOT do ANY abortions? Did you know that abortions are only a small
part of PP's business?
Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
an abortion.
>>Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
>>spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
>>other way?
>>
>>Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
>
>So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
>Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
>they ever have.
So you don't know. You really haven't a clue, but you're just
spouting the usual "pro-lie" propaganda.
>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>baby? It's all about profit.
Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
because childbirth costs $5000.
--
Ray Fischer Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
r...@netcom.com -- Mark Twain
Neal
>Neal says "That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to,
>the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
>your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
>goal, to kill babies."
>
>Wrong.
>
>PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
>
Bull! And you know it. Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
>Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
>spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
>other way?
>
>Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
they ever have.
BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
baby? It's all about profit.
Neal
Loren Petrich
>I must have deleted my favorite Bomasquote. It had to
>do with women envying men's crotches as if they were
>jewels. Did anyone save it?
And he accused *me* of being obsessed with male genitalia :-)
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
pet...@netcom.com And a fast train
My home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich/home.html
Or ftp to ftp.netcom.com and go to /pub/pe/petrich
Ray Fischer
>That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to, the
>ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
>your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the
>same goal, to kill babies.
Such a reasoned and intelligent response. I don't know _why_ you so
often are referred to as "pro-lie" fundies and extremists and
hypocrites.
Just can't imagine.
Ray Fischer
>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!!
Ah, so if my money is used to support your church, then your church is
my business.
> As long as you are financing
>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please.
Cool. I should be able to control all manner of affairs of yours.
> Exception: if
>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>again it becomes my business.
And if your planning on deliberately letting children die, then your
affairs become my business.
> Someone has to look out for the interests of
>the baby.
Preferably someone who isn't a hypocrite.
Louis Cypher
>
>>
>>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please. Exception: if
>>the baby.
>>
>>Ginger Stolp
>
>*** Man, Ginger you are so right. That is such a valid point. As long
> as my money is being spent, then YES it is my business. Just
> as it my business how we fund welfare, defense or other things.
> If the proabs want to have the CHOICE they so desperately seek,
> then the first step in that direction is to get their hands out
> of my pocketbook and PAY THEIR OWN WAY. Now, I also agree with
> you that as long as they are murdering babies, then I want them
> stopped, but the hypocrisy of their stand is so evident in there
> use of OUR money to fund THEIR sick 'choice'.
Mudbum, another 'proab' made the offer to reimburse your share of the
taxes that are used for abortions. I second the offer. Show me how many
abortions occur per year that are payed for by taxes. Might be easier
for your little brain just to find how much tax money, if any, was spent
on abortions. Then divide that by all the taxpayers, and that is how
much money I owe you. Oh, you couldn't use the extra penny?
> Ginger, "I love you man.."
Quoting mysoginistic beer commercials :)
> MudbuM OUT
Out of what? Ideas?
Charles Don Hall
>
>>
>>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!! As long as you are financing
>>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please. Exception: if
>>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>>again it becomes my business. Someone has to look out for the interests of
>>the baby.
>>
>>Ginger Stolp
>
>*** Man, Ginger you are so right. That is such a valid point. As long
> as my money is being spent, then YES it is my business. Just
> as it my business how we fund welfare, defense or other things.
> If the proabs want to have the CHOICE they so desperately seek,
> then the first step in that direction is to get their hands out
> of my pocketbook and PAY THEIR OWN WAY. Now, I also agree with
> you that as long as they are murdering babies, then I want them
> stopped, but the hypocrisy of their stand is so evident in there
> use of OUR money to fund THEIR sick 'choice'.
>
>
A few days ago, I posted an article with the title "Who Decides?"
where I offered to reimburse people who were paying for
federally-funded abortions against their wills. Let me know if
it's expired at your site, and I'll mail you a copy.
Originally, I was asking people to support legal abortion in
exchange for their refund check. But I'm feeling especially
generous today, so I'm going to make an even better deal.
In order to qualify for a refund, all you need to do is;
1 - Post your application to talk.abortion. (Instructions
for applying are given in the original article.) Also
e-mail me a copy in case I miss it.
2 - Agree to stop whining and complaining about
federal funding of abortions once your refund check
has arrived. You have my permission to continue whining
and complaining about abortion-in-general.
If you're not willing to accept this generous offer, I hope
you'll post a brief message explaining why.
--
===========================================================
Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher (ch...@eco.twg.com)
===========================================================
Jamilyn Daniels
> >the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
> >your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
> >goal, to kill babies."
> >
> >
> >PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
> >
>
> Bull! And you know it. Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
> to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
Care to actually present a quote, rather than just your interpretation?
>
>
> >Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
> >spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
> >other way?
> >
> >Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
>
>
>
> So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
> Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
> Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
> they ever have.
>
> BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
> baby? It's all about profit.
I'm sure there are people that would offer to do an abortion for $10 and
I doubt they'd have any training, clean equipment, or clue about what
they were doing. Can you get any medical procedure or visit for what you
*think* the cost should be? Never.
> Neal
>
>
Jamilyn
Susan Garvin
Louis Cypher <lcy...@netcom.com> wrote:
#In article <4chuqd$s...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
#Susan Garvin <gar...@pitt.edu> wrote:
##In article <cochranD...@netcom.com>,
##Mark A. Cochran <coc...@netcom.com> wrote:
###In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
###JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
##[text deleted]
###-#Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
###-#following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
###-#***
###-#Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
###-#Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
###-#Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
###-#
###Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
##
##It's not clear. He originally claimed that he put people
##on his list if they used the word "fuck." However, lots
##of people who have repeatedly used the word (or a variant)
##in response to Bomas are not on his list, and at least two
##(Fischer and Keegan, oddly enough) who have never used
##the word in response to Bomas *are* on the list.
##
##He responds to people on his list, btw. He just changes
##the attribution lines and hopes no one notices.
#
#He started a new thread with one of my articles attributed to 'some
#promoter of abortion'. Maybe he thought I wouldn't recognize my own
#words. Also, i've never 'promoted' abortion, but that's just being
#nitpicky.
He uses the same attribution line when he replies to my articles
(except, of course, when he forgets his list entirely and
puts my name in the subject line of his response to me.)
I've never promoted abortion either. I'm starting to suspect
that Bomas has never told the truth intentionally.
##I must have deleted my favorite Bomasquote. It had to
##do with women envying men's crotches as if they were
##jewels. Did anyone save it?
#
#I remember it. But alas, I don't have it.
Sniff. I think his early work was his best.
#I do have the old Bomas standby
#though -
#
##{Jim Bomas (Mel...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
##{" I see no reason why a woman who has a unsatiable appetite for the
##{male genitals should not be surgically fixed."
It's still hard for me to believe that someone actually signed
his name to that.
#Nice to see you again.
Back at you.
Susan
JBomas
<jam...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, JBomas wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>> >JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
>> >-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
>> >->>
>> >->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
>> >->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
>> >->
>> >->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
>> >
>> >Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
>> >*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
>> >indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
>> >the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
>>
>> Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
>> clinic..........they send them next door. That makes your statement
>> true and a big lie.
>
>Huh?
>
>That is how these liberal damnocrats have fooled
>> everyone. They calmly lie about what they do or what they recommend
>> done and where to go. My you believe them eh? It show volumes about
>> who you are. Do you watch ABC,CBS,CNN & NBC also......I thought so.
>>
>
>Bomas, have you ever been to, worked in, or been a client in a planned
>parenthood? IF not how in h*ll do you think you know what goes on? I
>think watching the news is a better way to get info (second to
>researching it yourself) than listening to antiabortionbabble.
Have you?
>> >->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
>> >
>> >That you're a misinformed idiot?
>>
>> No that I am saying it the way it is......all true. I don't attempt to
>> fool by saying 5% or so when all they do is send them somewhere else.
>> Shame on you.
>
>Abortion is just a PART of what pp does. Most people are only coming in
>to get birth control, pap smears, condoms, etc. I can refer someone to a
>clinic that does abortions by reading the name in the phone book. Does
>that make me the "abortion provider"??????
If I refer people to a whore house.......am I involved in promoting
prostitution? Yes
>> I'll ignore the "idiot' part..........it takes one to know one.
>>
>> Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
>> following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
>> ***
>> Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>> Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>> Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>>
>>
>>
Due to a {my} computer failure I lost about 200 notes on the
"alt.abortion.inequity" newsgroup. Sorry if I did not answer.
That was the reason.....JBomas
Jamilyn Daniels
> On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:45:12 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >->On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
> >->wrote:
> >->>In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >->>->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
> >->>-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
> >->>->>
> >->>->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
> >->>->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
> >->>->
> >->>->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
> >->>
> >->>Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
> >->>*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
> >->>indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
> >->>the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
> >->
> >->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
> >->clinic..........they send them next door.
> >
> >Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
> >I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
> >Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
> >store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
> >across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
>
> I'm sorry Ray.......I should have known that you wouldn't understand
> the phrase "Next Door" that means sending them somewhere else in town
> or maybe even the next town. I will be more specific when I speak with
> a person such as you. My mistake.
>
> >Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
> >PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
> >related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
> >do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
> >dung.
>
> Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
> his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
Because many people WANT low cost birth control. Some people don't have
doctors. Some people need to have low cost pap smears so they don't die
of undetected cervical cancer. Every need birth control, Jim? Do you
just go to your doctor and pay for a physical, pap, and a $30/month
supply of birth control pills? (Just Try to imagine this impossible
senario, from the woman's perspective.) Guess money is no object for you.
> You lie too don't you? Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
> also? Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
> readership here to be? Fools?
>
If the shoe fits...
> >->>->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
> >->>
> >->>That you're a misinformed idiot?
> >->
> >->No that I am saying it the way it is......all true.
> >
> >I think it's been pretty clearly shown that what you are saying is,
> >actually, diametrically opposed to 'the way it is'.
> >
> >->Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
> >->following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
> >->***
> >->Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
> >->Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
> >->Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
> >->
> >Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
> >--
Oops... I just called him a fool...
Jamilyn
HisScreami
it's there to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library."
Uh huh.
Margaret Sanger believed in what is now called "Pro-Choice."
Planned Parenthood distributes more birth control every year per capita
than they perform abortions.
Don't make me start posting all this information. I will if I have to.
JBomas
You lie too don't you? Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
also? Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
readership here to be? Fools?
>->>->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
>->>
>->>That you're a misinformed idiot?
>->
>->No that I am saying it the way it is......all true.
>
>I think it's been pretty clearly shown that what you are saying is,
>actually, diametrically opposed to 'the way it is'.
>
>->Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
>->following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
>->***
>->Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
>->Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
>->Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>->
>Which {f} word? Fool? Fetus fanatic? Fundie? Flatulant?
>--
>"My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling
>Alley!!"
> -- Zippy the Pinhead
HisScreami
the name
Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
they ever have."
Yes, they do. I've worked there. They tell us, the counselors, that we
are to offer *all* options to a woman who comes in for a pregnancy test
that comes back positive.
And Planned Parenthood does not "SEEK" out pregnant women, as Neal
suggests.
I fear he's been in the to sacramental wine again.
And then he says "BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to
kill the baby? It's all about profit."
I had a D&C in the hospital last year. Cost me over 2000 bucks.
Basically, the same procedure, only I wasn't pregnant. So why did it cost
more?
Do you have any idea how many people are involved with PP? There is no
profit in charging 400 bucks for an abortion. The Doctor himself makes
very little. Most, if any, profit goes to protect against the radical
whackos like you.
Jamilyn Daniels
> On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:54:54 -0800, Jamilyn Daniels
> <jam...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> >On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, JBomas wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
> >> >JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
> >> >-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
> >> >->>
> >> >->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
> >> >->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
> >> >->
> >> >->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
> >> >
> >> >Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
> >> >*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
> >> >indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
> >> >the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
> >>
> >> Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
> >> clinic..........they send them next door. That makes your statement
> >> true and a big lie.
> >
> >Huh?
> >
> >That is how these liberal damnocrats have fooled
> >> everyone. They calmly lie about what they do or what they recommend
> >> done and where to go. My you believe them eh? It show volumes about
> >> who you are. Do you watch ABC,CBS,CNN & NBC also......I thought so.
> >>
> >
> >Bomas, have you ever been to, worked in, or been a client in a planned
> >parenthood? IF not how in h*ll do you think you know what goes on? I
> >think watching the news is a better way to get info (second to
> >researching it yourself) than listening to antiabortionbabble.
>
> Have you?
Still can't answer the questions? Yes I have worked in a planned
parenthood, so I know what goes on there. All I encountered were very
concerned, nice people who wanted to help people know all of their
options. I only participated in the birth control/medical appointments
aspect, and didn't do any counceling. However, we didn't do abortions at
our clinic, there were only two out of about twelve in our area that did.
(rough guess). So what's your answer, know-it-all??????
>
> >> >->Shouldn't they be called "Disposal Centers" instead? Get my drift?
> >> >
> >> >That you're a misinformed idiot?
> >>
> >> No that I am saying it the way it is......all true. I don't attempt to
> >> fool by saying 5% or so when all they do is send them somewhere else.
> >> Shame on you.
> >
> >Abortion is just a PART of what pp does. Most people are only coming in
> >to get birth control, pap smears, condoms, etc. I can refer someone to a
> >clinic that does abortions by reading the name in the phone book. Does
> >that make me the "abortion provider"??????
>
> If I refer people to a whore house.......am I involved in promoting
> prostitution? Yes
>
You didn't say promoting, you said providing. Big difference. Check
your dictionary.
> >> I'll ignore the "idiot' part..........it takes one to know one.
> >>
> >> Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
> >> following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
> >> ***
> >> Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
> >> Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
> >> Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
>
Neal
>Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>>hissc...@aol.com (HisScreami) wrote:
>
>>>Neal says "That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to,
>>>the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
>>>your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
>>>goal, to kill babies."
>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>>
>>>PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
>>>
>>Bull! And you know it.
>
>Here's a clue: You are a liar or a fool. Either you're repeating
>this disinformation because you're too stupid to know better, or you
>do know better and you're flagrantly dishonest.
>
>Clear?
>
>> Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
>>to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
>
>A woman who died how many years ago?
>
>Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
>taking medicare patients?
Ooohh, now that's scary. I wonder who'll put "not normal" ppl on the
list to terminate? <if that ever happens>
> Did you happen to know that they provide a
>wide range of services?
Murder for hire is one of them.
>> Did you know that there are PP clininc that
>do NOT do ANY abortions?
I know some has offices w/o killers inside. But I do know that there
are offices that has "branch killing mills" nearby. This is like
K-Mart that once owned Walden bookstores (part of their stock, a big
one too.) that carried porn mags and ppl boycotted K-Mart for that
support and it nearly killed their business until the board of
directors forced the President of K-Mart to resign and sold their
stock and got rid of Walden Books and now they're back in business.
So, the same idea applies to PP, if they own any non-killing mills
that services other than killing. I will support any of it that will
help provide money to build more killing mills.
>> Did you know that abortions are only a small
>part of PP's business?
Heh, that's bull and you know it. They always have been a large part
of the killing business and has been for years.
>
>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
>an abortion.
And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either. Have
you ever watch a killing in action? See the baby parts on a tray?
>
>>>Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
>>>spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
>>>other way?
One ex-killer who quit the practice and her name was Carol (forget her
last name), she owned 4 killing mills in California. Several years
after Roe, she and many other "doctors" met at a convention in New
Mexico to find ways to make more money on abortion and they came up w/
a idea that they would invent a "Russian Rulette <whatever spells>"
wheel, some of them contained real BC pills while others are not
<fakes>. So, they would wait for their patients <victims> to come back
pregnant and blame them for not following directions carefully and
tells them that they should abort and rakes in the cash.
The reason why she quit the practice is because she finally saw the
killing in progress despite the fact that she had owned the mills for
7 years and never once went inside and didn't think there was any need
to except by trusting the staff's creditials. She went inside because
of a complaint filed by one of the victims over a botched killing and
wanted to verify the claim. She got her verification alright.
She now travels all over the US and speaks against abortion in
Churches and Government housess. Good for her!
>>>
>>>Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
Because you didn't take logic lessons at school, you took emotional
lessons instead and learned to be ruled by emotions rather than your
head!
>>
>>So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
>>Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>>Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
>>they ever have.
>
>So you don't know. You really haven't a clue, but you're just
>spouting the usual "pro-lie" propaganda.
Same ol' scam as usual. Tsk, tsk.
>
>>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>>baby? It's all about profit.
>
>Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
>because childbirth costs $5000.
Life has no price, it's priceless in fact!
Neal
Picture of a woman with a t-shirt | Picture of a baby in
that said..... |heaven with a t-shirt that
|said.....
__________________________________|_____________________________
|
"I survived many attempts to | "I didn't!"
end abortion" |
|
__________________________________|_____________________________
Neal
>On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Neal wrote:
>> hissc...@aol.com (HisScreami) wrote:
>>
>> >Neal says "That would have to depend on which slaughter house she went to,
>> >the ppl there may treat her differently than the ppl that you work for at
>> >your slaughter house. But nonetheless, both slaughter houses have the same
>> >goal, to kill babies."
>> >
>> >Wrong.
>> >
>> >PP exists to prevent the NEED for abortions.
>> >
>>
>> Bull! And you know it. Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
>> to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
>
>
>Care to actually present a quote, rather than just your interpretation?
Don't have a Library card? Awwww, that's too bad. Maybe you can get
someone to borrow the books for you. Yeah, that'll do it! <grin>
>>
>>
>> >Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
>> >spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
>> >other way?
>> >
>> >Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
>> Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>> Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
>> they ever have.
>>
>> BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>> baby? It's all about profit.
>
>
>I'm sure there are people that would offer to do an abortion for $10 and
>I doubt they'd have any training, clean equipment, or clue about what
>they were doing. Can you get any medical procedure or visit for what you
>*think* the cost should be? Never.
$10 is still profit for murder! Blood money at any charge.
Neal
>Ginger M. Stolp <rai...@xroads.com> wrote:
>>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!!
>
>Ah, so if my money is used to support your church, then your church is
>my business.
>
Have you ever heard of "non-profit organization"? Churches survive by
freewill donations, not tax money. Got a problem w/ that?
>> As long as you are financing
>>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please.
>
>Cool. I should be able to control all manner of affairs of yours.
Well, since you want to put it that way, since tax money is passed
around by hand (like you think), I should stop by your house and make
a list of approve and disapprove of what you have and if I see that
you bought an expensive TV out of my money, I'll just get mad and take
it way from you. If you married your wife for $100,000, I'll take your
wife, etc... how's that smartaleck? BTW, how much did you pay for your
car?
>
>> Exception: if
>>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>>again it becomes my business.
>
>And if your planning on deliberately letting children die, then your
>affairs become my business.
>
The usual scam I see.
>> Someone has to look out for the interests of
>>the baby.
>
>Preferably someone who isn't a hypocrite.
Have you looked at the mirror lately, Ray?
Louis Cypher
Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>r...@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>Here's a clue: You are a liar or a fool. Either you're repeating
>>this disinformation because you're too stupid to know better, or you
>>do know better and you're flagrantly dishonest.
>>
>>Clear?
Guess you were, no comment.
>>> Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
>>>to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
>>
>>A woman who died how many years ago?
>>
>>Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
>>taking medicare patients?
>
>Ooohh, now that's scary. I wonder who'll put "not normal" ppl on the
>list to terminate? <if that ever happens>
I wonder where there has ever even been consideration anywhere except the
diseased minds of pro-liars.
>> Did you happen to know that they provide a
>>wide range of services?
>
>Murder for hire is one of them.
Like to see you document that one. Hate to see PP get righteous and
slap you with a civil suit.
>>> Did you know that there are PP clininc that
>>do NOT do ANY abortions?
>
>I know some has offices w/o killers inside. But I do know that there
>are offices that has "branch killing mills" nearby. This is like
>K-Mart that once owned Walden bookstores (part of their stock, a big
>one too.) that carried porn mags and ppl boycotted K-Mart for that
>support and it nearly killed their business until the board of
>directors forced the President of K-Mart to resign and sold their
>stock and got rid of Walden Books and now they're back in business.
>So, the same idea applies to PP, if they own any non-killing mills
>that services other than killing. I will support any of it that will
>help provide money to build more killing mills.
Let's see. There are PP's in most cities in the US. There are also
abortion clinics in most cities. How does PP cause these abortion
clinics to function? If PP was so about money and profits(kinda hard
for a NPO) why wouldn't THEY be doing all the abortions instead of
sending people elsewhere. How can you call something an abortuary
if no abortions occur there?
>>> Did you know that abortions are only a small
>>part of PP's business?
>
>Heh, that's bull and you know it. They always have been a large part
>of the killing business and has been for years.
Please, tone down the libel.
>>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
>>an abortion.
>
>And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either. Have
>you ever watch a killing in action? See the baby parts on a tray?
Do you just like lying, or are you a troll? My guess, is a little bit of
both.
>>>>Hell, if they wanted to do nothing but provide abortions, why would they
>>>>spend so much on providing birth control to those who can't afford it any
>>>>other way?
>
>One ex-killer who quit the practice and her name was Carol (forget her
>last name), she owned 4 killing mills in California. Several years
>after Roe, she and many other "doctors" met at a convention in New
>Mexico to find ways to make more money on abortion and they came up w/
>a idea that they would invent a "Russian Rulette <whatever spells>"
>wheel, some of them contained real BC pills while others are not
><fakes>. So, they would wait for their patients <victims> to come back
>pregnant and blame them for not following directions carefully and
>tells them that they should abort and rakes in the cash.
>The reason why she quit the practice is because she finally saw the
>killing in progress despite the fact that she had owned the mills for
>7 years and never once went inside and didn't think there was any need
>to except by trusting the staff's creditials. She went inside because
>of a complaint filed by one of the victims over a botched killing and
>wanted to verify the claim. She got her verification alright.
>She now travels all over the US and speaks against abortion in
>Churches and Government housess. Good for her!
Yeah, we should believe a known liar just because she says stuff that
supports your cause now. And, BTW, if your bizzarre fantasy were even
close to reality, why couldn't these brainiacs figure out that they
could make ten times the money if they convinced them to carry to term.
>>>>Your arguments are just stupid, Neal.
This says it all.
>Because you didn't take logic lessons at school, you took emotional
>lessons instead and learned to be ruled by emotions rather than your
>head!
Nanny nanny boo boo!
>>>So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
>>>Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>>>Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
>>>they ever have.
>>
>>So you don't know. You really haven't a clue, but you're just
>>spouting the usual "pro-lie" propaganda.
>
>Same ol' scam as usual. Tsk, tsk.
What? Asking for facts and not TbBA?
>>>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>>>baby? It's all about profit.
>>
>>Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
>>because childbirth costs $5000.
>
>Life has no price, it's priceless in fact!
Let's look in the Bible -
Leviticus 27:6 And if it be from a month old, evun unto five years old,
then thy estimation will be of the male five shekels of silver,
and for the female 10 shekels.
This is from the King James version from a list compiled by the Ontario
Centre for religious tolerance. List first posted by L McCrum.
Also infants were not worth anything under a month old.
Louis Cypher
>>>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>>>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!!
>>
>>Ah, so if my money is used to support your church, then your church is
>>my business.
>>
>
>Have you ever heard of "non-profit organization"? Churches survive by
>freewill donations, not tax money. Got a problem w/ that?
Churches have tax-exempt status. I have a problem with that. That is
surviving due to tax money as well. Imagine if Churches had to pay
property taxes on all the property they own? They'd be bankrupt, or
the fellowship would be from trying to sustain them.
>>> As long as you are financing
>>>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please.
>>
>>Cool. I should be able to control all manner of affairs of yours.
>
>Well, since you want to put it that way, since tax money is passed
>around by hand (like you think), I should stop by your house and make
>a list of approve and disapprove of what you have and if I see that
>you bought an expensive TV out of my money, I'll just get mad and take
>it way from you. If you married your wife for $100,000, I'll take your
>wife, etc... how's that smartaleck? BTW, how much did you pay for your
>car?
Exactly what your brand of thinking promotes.
>>> Exception: if
>>>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>>>again it becomes my business.
>>
>>And if your planning on deliberately letting children die, then your
>>affairs become my business.
>>
>
>The usual scam I see.
What scam? You are the one that says that life supercedes liberty.
>>> Someone has to look out for the interests of
>>>the baby.
>>
>>Preferably someone who isn't a hypocrite.
>
>Have you looked at the mirror lately, Ray?
More of that evil 'judging' from our resident Bastion of Truth and Good.
Lawrence E. McKnight
[snip..
>
>Have you ever heard of "non-profit organization"? Churches survive by
>freewill donations, not tax money. Got a problem w/ that?
>
I see. Wehn there is a fire, there is a 'free-will' donation by the
fire department. Or does your particular church have 911 blocked on
their phones?
>
[snip..
---------------
Larry McKnight
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HisScreami
Hell, Neal. The anitbotics cost more than ten dollars. Get a grip.
I tell you what. The next time I see a woman who's having an aboriton
because she can't afford another baby, I'll give her your email address.
You can pay the differernce between the child birth and the abortion, and
then you can support the kid for 18 years.
Put up or shut the hell up.
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:45:12 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->wrote:
->>In article <30e8a446...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->>->On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:43:41 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->>->wrote:
->>->>In article <30e80f20...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
->>->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->>->>->On Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:32:47 -0600, KUSHALNAGAR
->>->>-><vsk...@omega.uta.edu> wrote:
->>->>->>
->>->>->>The name of this newsgroup is alt.abortion.inequity. Shouldn't this
->>->>->>material be posted on someother newsgroup
->>->>->
->>->>->The name of our abortion clinics are called Planned Parenthood.
->>->>
->>->>Utter nonsense. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services at
->>->>*some* clinics, but these are clearly a minority. Public records
->>->>indicate that abortion services account for perhaps 5% of PP's work;
->>->>the vast majority is womens health care totally unrelated to abortion.
->>->
->>->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
->>->clinic..........they send them next door.
->>
->>Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
->>I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
->>Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
->>store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
->>across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
->I'm sorry Ray.......
Huh? Ray is on your 'do not respond' list, and I am *not* him. Look
right up there at the message headers. M-A-R-K is not even remotely
confusable with R-A-Y, unless it's the R that confuses you. Are you
such a simpleton that you don't even know who you're responding to?
->I should have known that you wouldn't understand
->the phrase "Next Door" that means sending them somewhere else in town
->or maybe even the next town. I will be more specific when I speak with
->a person such as you. My mistake.
->
I understand "next door" perfectly well. I suspect that if I give a
patient a referal to a surgeon and tell them his office is "next
door", I had better not mean "somewhere else in town or maybe even the
next town."
->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
->>dung.
->
->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
->You lie too don't you?
No, I do not.
->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
->also?
No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
christianity.
describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
->readership here to be? Fools?
I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
institution.
--
Boren's Laws:
(1) When in charge, ponder.
(2) When in trouble, delegate.
(3) When in doubt, mumble.
Ray Fischer
>The only weapon I got in my inventory is God's word.
Your weapon is only a plastic imitation.
> The bible says
>that God's word is a double edged sword.
Best be careful you don't cut yourself. Again.
Ray Fischer
Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>r...@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>>Here's a clue: You are a liar or a fool. Either you're repeating
>>this disinformation because you're too stupid to know better, or you
>>do know better and you're flagrantly dishonest.
>>
>>Clear?
Apparently not, since he resumes his lies right where he left off.
>>Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
>>taking medicare patients?
>
>Ooohh, now that's scary.
Why?
> I wonder who'll put "not normal" ppl on the
>list to terminate? <if that ever happens>
It won't.
>> Did you happen to know that they provide a
>>wide range of services?
>
>Murder for hire is one of them.
You are lying.
>>> Did you know that abortions are only a small
>>part of PP's business?
>
>Heh, that's bull and you know it.
I know you are a habitual liar. I know that you are a bigot who cares
more for his propaganda than he does for the truth. I know you
haven't looked at the numbers.
>>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
>>an abortion.
>
>And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either.
That statement is another lie. We've had first-hand accounts of women
who went to PP and were given information on adoption. You can look
on the PP web page for yourself and see the references to adoption.
>One ex-killer who quit the practice and her name was Carol (forget her
>last name),
Another propagandist? Or, as you put it: the same old scam?
>>>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>>>baby? It's all about profit.
>>
>>Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
>>because childbirth costs $5000.
>
>Life has no price, it's priceless in fact!
Hah! I knew it! You're a fool AND a liar!
Ray Fischer
>>>If __my__ money is being used to "support" your choices concerning __your__
>>>uterus, then __your__ uterus IS my business!!!!
>>
>>Ah, so if my money is used to support your church, then your church is
>>my business.
>
>Have you ever heard of "non-profit organization"?
Isn't PP a non-profit?
> Churches survive by
>freewill donations, not tax money. Got a problem w/ that?
Yes, because they get services such as fire protection and police
protection and utilities and don't have to pay for them. That's a
free government handout.
>>> As long as you are financing
>>>your own uterus, then you may do with it whatever you please.
>>
>>Cool. I should be able to control all manner of affairs of yours.
>
>Well, since you want to put it that way, since tax money is passed
>around by hand (like you think), I should stop by your house and make
>a list of approve and disapprove of what you have and if I see that
>you bought an expensive TV out of my money, I'll just get mad and take
>it way from you.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. YOU are the one that thinks that tax
money entitles you to intrude in other people's affairs. Since you
think so, then you shouldn't mind me intruding into your affairs.
If we play by my rules, then each person gets to decide who and what
uses their body and rules apply to all people equally.
>>> Exception: if
>>>you are planning to kill a small child that is residing in your uterus then
>>>again it becomes my business.
>>
>>And if your planning on deliberately letting children die, then your
>>affairs become my business.
>
>The usual scam I see.
Chicken-shit coward.
>>> Someone has to look out for the interests of
>>>the baby.
>>
>>Preferably someone who isn't a hypocrite.
>
>Have you looked at the mirror lately, Ray?
Yup. You are a hypocrite because you think you have some right to
force a woman to contribute the use of her body while you sit on your
ass and let people die. You think that you should live by one set of
rules and other people should be forced to live by a different set of
rules.
Neal
>Neal says to Ray ">Well, since you want to put it that way, since tax
>money is passed >around by hand (like you think), I should stop by your
>house and make >a list of approve and disapprove of what you have and if I
>see that >you bought an expensive TV out of my money, I'll just get mad
>and take >it way from you"
>
>Careful, Ray. I think he's got a gun.
>
>
The only weapon I got in my inventory is God's word. The bible says
that God's word is a double edged sword.
Heh!
Neal
>>that services other than killing. I will not support any of it that will
Ray Fischer
for first-class accomodations ...
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>[...] Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
>also? Murder is bad but lying is not good either.
Neal
Oops, accidently hit send before I wrote anything to post. 2nd try.
>In article <30f0134c...@news.iquest.net>,
>Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>>r...@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>Here's a clue: You are a liar or a fool. Either you're repeating
>>>this disinformation because you're too stupid to know better, or you
>>>do know better and you're flagrantly dishonest.
>>>
>>>Clear?
>
>Guess you were, no comment.
>
>>>> Even the founder of PP admitted that it's there
>>>>to terminate babies. Read her books. They're at the library.
>>>
>>>A woman who died how many years ago?
>>>
>>>Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
>>>taking medicare patients?
>>
>>Ooohh, now that's scary. I wonder who'll put "not normal" ppl on the
>>list to terminate? <if that ever happens>
>
>I wonder where there has ever even been consideration anywhere except the
>diseased minds of pro-liars.
Yeah? How come my mom died in ICU while a doctor argued w/ my sister
about getting her a blood transfusion while claiming she was too old?
>
>>> Did you happen to know that they provide a
>>>wide range of services?
>>
>>Murder for hire is one of them.
>
>Like to see you document that one. Hate to see PP get righteous and
>slap you with a civil suit.
Like I like to see them try. <grin>
>
>>>> Did you know that there are PP clininc that
>>>do NOT do ANY abortions?
>>
>>I know some has offices w/o killers inside. But I do know that there
>>are offices that has "branch killing mills" nearby. This is like
>>K-Mart that once owned Walden bookstores (part of their stock, a big
>>one too.) that carried porn mags and ppl boycotted K-Mart for that
>>support and it nearly killed their business until the board of
>>directors forced the President of K-Mart to resign and sold their
>>stock and got rid of Walden Books and now they're back in business.
>>So, the same idea applies to PP, if they own any non-killing mills
>>that services other than killing. I will not support any of it that will
>>help provide money to build more killing mills.
>
>Let's see. There are PP's in most cities in the US. There are also
>abortion clinics in most cities. How does PP cause these abortion
>clinics to function? If PP was so about money and profits(kinda hard
>for a NPO) why wouldn't THEY be doing all the abortions instead of
>sending people elsewhere. How can you call something an abortuary
>if no abortions occur there?
Not when business support abortion no matter what.
>
>>>> Did you know that abortions are only a small
>>>part of PP's business?
>>
>>Heh, that's bull and you know it. They always have been a large part
>>of the killing business and has been for years.
>
>Please, tone down the libel.
>
>>>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
>>>an abortion.
>>
>>And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either. Have
>>you ever watch a killing in action? See the baby parts on a tray?
>
>Do you just like lying, or are you a troll? My guess, is a little bit of
>both.
How can adoption be part of PP list of "choice" when that supports
LIFE while abortions supports DEATH? Doesn't make sense.
What she lie about? She's still got her expired killing license and
documentation to back her up.
>
>This says it all.
>
>>Because you didn't take logic lessons at school, you took emotional
>>lessons instead and learned to be ruled by emotions rather than your
>>head!
>
>Nanny nanny boo boo!
Nice answer, where did you go to college? Oh wait! Lemme guess, it's
Nanny nanny boo boo?
>
>>>>So, they can actively seek out pregnant women by using the name
>>>>Planned Parenthood like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
>>>>Do you ever hear them offering adoption as an alternative? I doubt
>>>>they ever have.
>>>
>>>So you don't know. You really haven't a clue, but you're just
>>>spouting the usual "pro-lie" propaganda.
>>
>>Same ol' scam as usual. Tsk, tsk.
>
>What? Asking for facts and not TbBA?
>
>>>>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>>>>baby? It's all about profit.
>>>
>>>Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
>>>because childbirth costs $5000.
>>
>>Life has no price, it's priceless in fact!
>
>Let's look in the Bible -
>
>Leviticus 27:6 And if it be from a month old, evun unto five years old,
> then thy estimation will be of the male five shekels of silver,
> and for the female 10 shekels.
>
>This is from the King James version from a list compiled by the Ontario
>Centre for religious tolerance. List first posted by L McCrum.
Like you want to take the bible out of context to make things twisted
to fit your statement.
>
>Also infants were not worth anything under a month old.
See? That's how I view the pro-death community, they treat life like
dirt.
Ray Fischer
>lcy...@netcom.com (Louis Cypher) wrote:
>
>Oops, accidently hit send before I wrote anything to post. 2nd try.
At least in that version you didn't post any new lies.
>>Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
>>>r...@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Did you happen to notice news reports that PP is lloking to start
>>>>taking medicare patients?
>>>
>>>Ooohh, now that's scary. I wonder who'll put "not normal" ppl on the
>>>list to terminate? <if that ever happens>
>>
>>I wonder where there has ever even been consideration anywhere except the
>>diseased minds of pro-liars.
>
>Yeah? How come my mom died in ICU while a doctor argued w/ my sister
>about getting her a blood transfusion while claiming she was too old?
Because she was too old? Why don't you ask the doctor. Assuming,
that is, you can actually listen to what he/she says with anything
resembling an open mind.
>>>> Did you happen to know that they provide a
>>>>wide range of services?
>>>
>>>Murder for hire is one of them.
>>
>>Like to see you document that one. Hate to see PP get righteous and
>>slap you with a civil suit.
>
>Like I like to see them try. <grin>
So would I.
[...]
>>Let's see. There are PP's in most cities in the US. There are also
>>abortion clinics in most cities. How does PP cause these abortion
>>clinics to function? If PP was so about money and profits(kinda hard
>>for a NPO) why wouldn't THEY be doing all the abortions instead of
>>sending people elsewhere. How can you call something an abortuary
>>if no abortions occur there?
>
>Not when business support abortion no matter what.
Which it doesn't, so once again you are the fool.
>>>>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
>>>>an abortion.
>>>
>>>And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either. Have
>>>you ever watch a killing in action? See the baby parts on a tray?
>>
>>Do you just like lying, or are you a troll? My guess, is a little bit of
>>both.
>
>How can adoption be part of PP list of "choice" when that supports
>LIFE while abortions supports DEATH? Doesn't make sense.
No, most of what you write does NOT make sense. Look on their web
page. By the way, when I last went to the local PP clinic, it was to
get a blood test for my marriage. Just one of many services they
offer.
>>>>>BTW, why do you think the killers charge $400 or more to kill the
>>>>>baby? It's all about profit.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, right. Just like all you extremists are in it for the profit
>>>>because childbirth costs $5000.
>>>
>>>Life has no price, it's priceless in fact!
>>
>>Let's look in the Bible -
>>
>>Leviticus 27:6 And if it be from a month old, evun unto five years old,
>> then thy estimation will be of the male five shekels of silver,
>> and for the female 10 shekels.
>>
>>This is from the King James version from a list compiled by the Ontario
>>Centre for religious tolerance. List first posted by L McCrum.
>
>Like you want to take the bible out of context to make things twisted
>to fit your statement.
Just because it shows you to be wrong again doesn't mean it was taken
out of context.
Matt Lupton
murder a baby in order to save the amount of money it
would cost to deliver and bring up a child? Is it a
matter of finances? Someone who gets pregnant isn't
some sort of "victim", who is entitled to murder a
helpless child in order to get themselves out of a
bind. They chose to have sex, and those are simply
the consequences. It is also a mother AND father's
obligation to raise and support that child for the
rest of their lives. It's that simple. Abortion is
simply an 'easy' way out for people who aren't willing
to accept the consequences of their actions, which
equates to legalized murder.
Put up or shut the hell up.
--Broom Man
Jamilyn Daniels
> >Neal <dito...@iquest.net> wrote:
> >>r...@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >
> >Let's see. There are PP's in most cities in the US. There are also
> >abortion clinics in most cities. How does PP cause these abortion
> >clinics to function? If PP was so about money and profits(kinda hard
> >for a NPO) why wouldn't THEY be doing all the abortions instead of
> >sending people elsewhere. How can you call something an abortuary
> >if no abortions occur there?
>
> Not when business support abortion no matter what.
I'm sorry, but HUH? That makes no sense. At all. Can't you just ANSWER
THE QUESTION???
>
> >
> >>>> Did you know that abortions are only a small
> >>>part of PP's business?
> >>
> >>Heh, that's bull and you know it. They always have been a large part
> >>of the killing business and has been for years.
> >
> >Please, tone down the libel.
> >
> >>>Even I'VE been to a PP clinic, and you can bet that it wasn't to get
> >>>an abortion.
> >>
> >>And they never even suggest adoption as an alternative either. Have
> >>you ever watch a killing in action? See the baby parts on a tray?
> >
> >Do you just like lying, or are you a troll? My guess, is a little bit of
> >both.
>
> How can adoption be part of PP list of "choice" when that supports
> LIFE while abortions supports DEATH? Doesn't make sense.
YOu seriously have no capacity to understand logic. I feel sorry for
you. Let's see... CHOICE=many scenarios that a person can choose from.
Do you follow me so far? Abortion = one choice, adoption = one choice,
parenthood = one choice... so far we have THREE choices. WHy cant a
woman choose one of these three choices? Why does offering her three
make one invalid?
[unsubstantiated, silly story deleted]
[bible quote deleted]
> >Also infants were not worth anything under a month old.
>
>
> See? That's how I view the pro-death community, they treat life like
> dirt.
>
Didn't you catch that the comment was about the BIBLE?? Are you calling
the bible pro-death?
I have a hard time believing you are older than 12. Can you tell us your
real age?
Jamilyn
HisScreami
money is passed >around by hand (like you think), I should stop by your
house and make >a list of approve and disapprove of what you have and if I
see that >you bought an expensive TV out of my money, I'll just get mad
and take >it way from you"
Careful, Ray. I think he's got a gun.
JBomas
wrote:
>->>->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
>->>->clinic..........they send them next door.
>->>
>->>Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
>->>I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
>->>Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
>->>store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
>->>across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
>->
>->I'm sorry Ray.......
>
>Huh? Ray is on your 'do not respond' list, and I am *not* him. Look
>right up there at the message headers. M-A-R-K is not even remotely
>confusable with R-A-Y, unless it's the R that confuses you. Are you
>such a simpleton that you don't even know who you're responding to?
Little errors make for big claims to people who have nothing else
going for them eh Mark?
>->I should have known that you wouldn't understand
>->the phrase "Next Door" that means sending them somewhere else in town
>->or maybe even the next town. I will be more specific when I speak with
>->a person such as you. My mistake.
>->
>I understand "next door" perfectly well. I suspect that if I give a
>patient a referal to a surgeon and tell them his office is "next
>door", I had better not mean "somewhere else in town or maybe even the
>next town."
The fact still remains, even after your attempt at changing the
subject, that the Planned Barrenhood Abortuaries recommend their
clients/killers go to a abortuary somewhere else in town because they
don't own any baby grinders in that particular clinic eh?
>->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
>->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
>->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
>->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
>->>dung.
>->
>->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
>->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
>
>Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
>Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
Why not Mark? Why do they need to go to a 'cover up' murder joint to
have their needs met. Don't you want women to have a respectable place
to go? You don't go to some quack to have your plumbing checked do
you? Why can't we recommend the same quality for a woman? All the
women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
women..........isn't that so with the women in your world?
>->You lie too don't you?
>
>No, I do not.
>
>->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
>->also?
>No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
>mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
>christianity.
No comment except to say that the Bible talks about "blinding" those
that are not chosen to be saved.
>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
>->readership here to be? Fools?
>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
>institution.
Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
when they are stuck.
>Boren's Laws:
> (1) When in charge, ponder.
> (2) When in trouble, delegate.
> (3) When in doubt, mumble.
Bomas's laws:
1) When in charge....lead.
2) When in trouble...be responsible.
3) When in doubt....ask.
"People will go to Hell their own way..But must enter Heaven
Gods way."
------
JBomas
Mark A. Cochran
Matt Lupton <mlu...@du.edu> wrote:
->Hey Screamer, are you suggesting that it's worth it to
->murder a baby in order to save the amount of money it
->would cost to deliver and bring up a child? Is it a
->matter of finances?
Sometimes, yes.
->Someone who gets pregnant isn't
->some sort of "victim", who is entitled to murder a
->helpless child in order to get themselves out of a
->bind.
This sort of 'logic' is so simpleminded...
Someone who gets hurt in a car accident isn't some sort of "victim"
who is entitled to medical care to get themselves out of a bind.
->They chose to have sex, and those are simply
->the consequences.
They chose to ride in a car, and those are simply the consequences.
->Abortion is
->simply an 'easy' way out for people who aren't willing
->to accept the consequences of their actions, which
->equates to legalized murder.
->
Medical care is simply an 'easy' way out for people who aren't willing
to accept the consequences for their actions.
->Put up or shut the hell up.
->
Indeed. I think you'd be smarter to choose the second option.
--
Whatever is not nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose is not
nailed down.
-- Collis P. Huntingdon
JBomas
wrote:
>->The fact still remains, even after your attempt at changing the
>->subject, that the Planned Barrenhood Abortuaries recommend their
>->clients/killers go to a abortuary somewhere else in town because they
>->don't own any baby grinders in that particular clinic eh?
>->
>Nope, wrong again. PP is not in the business of telling people what to
>do. At most, if you tell them you want an abortion, they are there to
>provide you with information about the options, and, if you still want
>the abortion, provide information about available providers. Contrary
>to your lies, they do not tell their clients what to do.
Why do we need Planned Barrenhood Mark? Why not have this type of
service independent form the government? Why do our taxes go for this
type of service? BECAUSE ABORTION IS PROMOTED IN THESE PLACES with
OUR TAX DOLLARS. They send them 'next door' to have an abortion so
that they won't look so bad......
>->>->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
>->>->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
>->>->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
>->>->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
>->>->>dung.
>->>->
>->>->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
>->>->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
>->>
>->>Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
>->>Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
>->
>->Why not Mark? Why do they need to go to a 'cover up' murder joint to
>->have their needs met. Don't you want women to have a respectable place
>->to go? You don't go to some quack to have your plumbing checked do
>->you? Why can't we recommend the same quality for a woman?
>
>Because not all conditions *need* a physician, obviously. It's called
>economy, Bomas. Care that can be provideed by non-physician
>practitioners *should* be so provided. It keeps the cost of medical
>care down, and frees up the physician from trivial problems like a
>sore throat, allowing them to concentrate on those problems which *do*
>require their particular training.
Why the government tho Mark? Shouldn't the government stay with
healing people not killing babies with our tax dollars when so many
are against this. That is why we all will vote Republican again this
fall. They do not waste money on killing babies. Clinton funded
abortions the day he took office. It had been side tracked by the
Republican presidents.......this is what makes the demoncratic
liberals look so bad.
>->All the
>->women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
>->women..........
>
>I nominate this for most blatantly misogynistic comment of the year.
>You are a disgusting pig, Bomas.
Thank you.......this is a compliment considering the source.
>->isn't that so with the women in your world?
>->
>No, in my world, women are capable, competent people who are well able
>to take care of themselves.
>
>->>->You lie too don't you?
>->>
>->>No, I do not.
>->>
>->>->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
>->>->also?
>->>No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
>->>mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
>->>christianity.
>->
>->No comment except to say that the Bible talks about "blinding" those
>->that are not chosen to be saved.
>->
>Yes yes, and the Greeks were equally certain that *their* mythology
>was the final word in Truth. Babble on, Bomas.
That is what it is to you because your 'eyes are still closed'.
>->>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
>->>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
>->>->readership here to be? Fools?
>->>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
>->>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
>->>institution.
>->
>->Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
>->when they are stuck.
>->
>Or when we're laughing at some idiot.
You are still responding.......why? "We're laughing"?
Ray Fischer
>Little errors make for big claims to people who have nothing else
>going for them eh Mark?
Interesting comment from someone who has little better to whine about
than spelling and typing errors, and who likes to whine about people's
choice of words.
Just another example of your hypocrisy.
HisScreami
I'm suggesting that it's each woman's choice to decide if she can or
cannot afford to carry a pregnancy to term.
Then he says "Someone who gets pregnant isn't
some sort of "victim", who is entitled to murder a
helpless child in order to get themselves out of a
bind. "
Matt, please read all the posts about birth control. We've been over this
a zillion times in the last two weeks. Catch up.
Then " It is also a mother AND father's
obligation to raise and support that child for the
rest of their lives"
That's why so many men hide from the authorities, right? (No, not all do.
There are many men who work very hard to support their children. They
have my utmost admiration.)
And then "It's that simple. Abortion is
simply an 'easy' way out for people who aren't willing
to accept the consequences of their actions, which
equates to legalized murder."
Abortion is *never* an easy decision. If you've never made that decision
as a woman, don't pretend to understand.
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:16:47 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->wrote:
->
[Attributions once again screded up by Dumbass]
->
->>->The fact still remains, even after your attempt at changing the
->>->subject, that the Planned Barrenhood Abortuaries recommend their
->>->clients/killers go to a abortuary somewhere else in town because they
->>->don't own any baby grinders in that particular clinic eh?
->>->
->>Nope, wrong again. PP is not in the business of telling people what to
->>provide you with information about the options, and, if you still want
->>the abortion, provide information about available providers. Contrary
->>to your lies, they do not tell their clients what to do.
->
->Why do we need Planned Barrenhood Mark? Why not have this type of
->service independent form the government? Why do our taxes go for this
->type of service? BECAUSE ABORTION IS PROMOTED IN THESE PLACES with
->OUR TAX DOLLARS.
We need PP because they provide vital health care services at a
fraction of the cost (or free) to people who might not otherwise be
able to access these services. Doh.
Your screaming aside, abortion is most certainly *not* promoted in PP
clinics. It is an option, certainly, but abortion is, by policy, not
promoted.
->They send them 'next door' to have an abortion so
->that they won't look so bad......
->
Another incredibly stupid claim. Clients desiring abortion are refered
to an abortion provider if that particular clinic does not have the
facilities to provide that care. Similarly, if that clinic does not
have the facilities to provide pap-smears, clients desiring that
service will be refered to an outside clinic. Performing abortions
doesn't make anybody 'look bad', Bomas. I've recommended abortions,
and when the situation warrants, I'll do it again. My reputation is
just fine, thanks.
->>->>->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
->>->>->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
->>->>->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
->>->>->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
->>->>->>dung.
->>->>->
->>->>->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
->>->>->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
->>->>
->>->>Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
->>->>Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
->>->
->>->Why not Mark? Why do they need to go to a 'cover up' murder joint to
->>->have their needs met. Don't you want women to have a respectable place
->>->to go? You don't go to some quack to have your plumbing checked do
->>->you? Why can't we recommend the same quality for a woman?
->>
->>Because not all conditions *need* a physician, obviously. It's called
->>economy, Bomas. Care that can be provideed by non-physician
->>practitioners *should* be so provided. It keeps the cost of medical
->>care down, and frees up the physician from trivial problems like a
->>sore throat, allowing them to concentrate on those problems which *do*
->>require their particular training.
->
->Why the government tho Mark?
Because many people (14 million, last time I checked) are inadequatly
insured, or uninsured, and cannot afford private health care. These
people deserve care, and that means govt subsidies.
->Shouldn't the government stay with
->healing people not killing babies with our tax dollars when so many
->are against this.
Nonsensical babble, based on faulty assumptions.
Abortions *do* heal, Dumbass^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBomas.
->That is why we all will vote Republican again this
->fall.
Uh huh. How many personalities do you have, and how many of them are
old enough to vote?
->They do not waste money on killing babies.
Neither do Democrats. Abortion doesn't kill babies.
->>->All the
->>->women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
->>->women..........
->>
->>I nominate this for most blatantly misogynistic comment of the year.
->>You are a disgusting pig, Bomas.
->
->Thank you.......this is a compliment considering the source.
->
Racists don't think there's anything wrong with *their* bigotry
either.
->>->isn't that so with the women in your world?
->>->
->>No, in my world, women are capable, competent people who are well able
->>to take care of themselves.
->>
I take it from you lack of comment that you are not capable of dealing
with capable, competent women?
->>->>->You lie too don't you?
->>->>
->>->>No, I do not.
->>->>
->>->>->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
->>->>->also?
->>->>No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
->>->>mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
->>->>christianity.
->>->
->>->No comment except to say that the Bible talks about "blinding" those
->>->that are not chosen to be saved.
->>->
->>Yes yes, and the Greeks were equally certain that *their* mythology
->>was the final word in Truth. Babble on, Bomas.
->
->That is what it is to you because your 'eyes are still closed'.
->
Were that true, I'd not be seeing your tripe on my screen. My eyes are
fine; so is my brain. You've allowed yoruself to be brainwashed. That
doesn't concern me in the least, since I don't particularly care about
your delusions, but when you try to impose your mythology on others,
I'll object loudly.
->>->>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
->>->>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
->>->>->readership here to be? Fools?
->>->>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
->>->>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
->>->>institution.
->>->
->>->Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
->>->when they are stuck.
->>->
->>Or when we're laughing at some idiot.
->
->You are still responding.......why?
Because I'm finding it amusing to watch you squirm, child. Laughter is
good for the heart, and reading you is doing wonders fro my cardiac
function.
--
Consultants are mystical people who ask a company for a number and then
give it back to them.
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:00:01 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->wrote:
[Attributions screwed up by BrainlessBomas]
->>->>->Of course they don't abort all the babies in a Planned Parenthood
->>->>->clinic..........they send them next door.
->>->>
->>->>Let us look at just how idiotic your claims are.
->>->>I just visited my parents. There are two PP clinics in their town.
->>->>Neither is next door to an abortion provider (one is between a liquor
->>->>store and a 7-11, the other is between a Tandy outlet and the street -
->>->>across the street is a clothing store). Ooops.
->>->
->>->I'm sorry Ray.......
->>
->>Huh? Ray is on your 'do not respond' list, and I am *not* him. Look
->>right up there at the message headers. M-A-R-K is not even remotely
->>confusable with R-A-Y, unless it's the R that confuses you. Are you
->>such a simpleton that you don't even know who you're responding to?
->
->Little errors make for big claims to people who have nothing else
->going for them eh Mark?
->
Actually, incompetency makes for big laughs to people who find your
idiocy amusing.
->>->I should have known that you wouldn't understand
->>->the phrase "Next Door" that means sending them somewhere else in town
->>->or maybe even the next town. I will be more specific when I speak with
->>->a person such as you. My mistake.
->>->
->>I understand "next door" perfectly well. I suspect that if I give a
->>patient a referal to a surgeon and tell them his office is "next
->>door", I had better not mean "somewhere else in town or maybe even the
->>next town."
->
->The fact still remains, even after your attempt at changing the
->subject, that the Planned Barrenhood Abortuaries recommend their
->clients/killers go to a abortuary somewhere else in town because they
->don't own any baby grinders in that particular clinic eh?
->
Nope, wrong again. PP is not in the business of telling people what to
do. At most, if you tell them you want an abortion, they are there to
provide you with information about the options, and, if you still want
the abortion, provide information about available providers. Contrary
to your lies, they do not tell their clients what to do.
->>->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
->>->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
->>->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
->>->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
->>->>dung.
->>->
->>->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
->>->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
->>
->>Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
->>Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
->
->Why not Mark? Why do they need to go to a 'cover up' murder joint to
->have their needs met. Don't you want women to have a respectable place
->to go? You don't go to some quack to have your plumbing checked do
->you? Why can't we recommend the same quality for a woman?
Because not all conditions *need* a physician, obviously. It's called
economy, Bomas. Care that can be provideed by non-physician
practitioners *should* be so provided. It keeps the cost of medical
care down, and frees up the physician from trivial problems like a
sore throat, allowing them to concentrate on those problems which *do*
require their particular training.
->All the
->women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
->women..........
I nominate this for most blatantly misogynistic comment of the year.
You are a disgusting pig, Bomas.
->isn't that so with the women in your world?
->
No, in my world, women are capable, competent people who are well able
to take care of themselves.
->>->You lie too don't you?
->>
->>No, I do not.
->>
->>->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
->>->also?
->>No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
->>mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
->>christianity.
->
->No comment except to say that the Bible talks about "blinding" those
->that are not chosen to be saved.
->
Yes yes, and the Greeks were equally certain that *their* mythology
was the final word in Truth. Babble on, Bomas.
->>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
->>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
->>->readership here to be? Fools?
->>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
->>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
->>institution.
->
->Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
->when they are stuck.
->
Or when we're laughing at some idiot.
->>Boren's Laws:
->> (1) When in charge, ponder.
->> (2) When in trouble, delegate.
->> (3) When in doubt, mumble.
->
->
->Bomas's laws:
->
-> 1) When in charge....lead.
-> 2) When in trouble...be responsible.
-> 3) When in doubt....ask.
->
Ahhhhh, poor little Bomas. Reduced not only to a lame .sig flame, but
to flaming a randomly generated .sig at that.
HOw pathetic.
->"People will go to Hell their own way..But must enter Heaven
-> Gods way."
Which G[h]od[dess] are you talking about?
--
A mathematician is a machine for converting coffee into theorems.
Michelle Anne Steiner
>Picture of a woman with a t-shirt | Picture of a baby in
>that said..... |heaven with a t-shirt that
> |said.....
>__________________________________|_____________________________
> |
> "I survived many attempts to | "I didn't!"
> end abortion" |
> |
>__________________________________|_____________________________
Picture of a doctor with his head blown off by a shotgun, next to the
picture of a retired Air Force officer with his head blown off with the same
shotgum, next to a picture of two women with bullet holes in their bodies,
next to the picture of another doctor with bullet holes in his head:
"Neither did we."
When the so-called "right to lifers" cease their murders, bombings, arson,
acid attack, assaults, and batteries, then they might have some credibility.
When they stop violating the precepts of Christianity while proclaiming that
they are acting as good Christians, then they might have some credibility.
Until then, they are just a bunch of thugs, and deserve to be treated as
such.
--
"Beware the march of ideas." --Michelle Anne Steiner
aDad
>
>->Someone who gets pregnant isn't
>->some sort of "victim", who is entitled to murder a
>->helpless child in order to get themselves out of a
>->bind.
>
>This sort of 'logic' is so simpleminded...
>Someone who gets hurt in a car accident isn't some sort of "victim"
>
Wow. What a leap. From the "life" of an unborn child to the
"entitlement to medical care." My, my, my.
>Whatever is not nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose is not
>nailed down.
> -- Collis P. Huntingdon
and, your cute little quotes: an indication of a pretender to learning.
justaDad.
(Never forget, it only takes 65% to pass.)
mudbum
>When the so-called "right to lifers" cease their murders, bombings, arson,
>acid attack, assaults, and batteries, then they might have some credibility.
>When they stop violating the precepts of Christianity while proclaiming that
>they are acting as good Christians, then they might have some credibility.
>
>Until then, they are just a bunch of thugs, and deserve to be treated as
>such.
>
>--
>"Beware the march of ideas." --Michelle Anne Steiner
>
>(ste...@best.com) (http://www.best.com/~steiner)
*** Nice... It is amazing how easily you classify ALL prolifers by the
actions of a very small minority. I am a Christian and do not
condone the crimes of any of the parties involved. My Christian
faith teaches that coercion cannot be used to sway another.
My beliefs are in direct opposition to those who bomb clinics
or have killed abortion clinic workers.
Your comments that "they" are just a bunch of thugs and your
generalizations of "so-called 'right-to-lifers'" shows a lack
of analysis on your part that is all to typical of the proabortion
stance. You justify your actions by denegrating the actions of
a few wackos.
75% of all Americans surveyed have, year after year, said that
they are antiabortion. You cannot indict an entire country
based on 2 killings.
And, until the proabortionists come to terms with the VIOLENCE
that is abortion, these sorts of incidents will, sadly continue.
You know, Adolf Hitler was a frustrated artist. Somehow, I don't
believe his actions typify the actions of ALL frustrated artists.
MudbuM
aDad
says...
>
>Abortion is *never* an easy decision. If you've never made that
decision
>as a woman, don't pretend to understand.
>
>
>~~~ The Screamer ~~~
>
I've never hit anyone with a car before, but I think I have some idea
how it would feel, which sort of keeps me from doing it. And, I'm not
pretending to understand.
justaDad.
(Always remember, it only takes 65% to pass.)
Neal
>Neal says "$10 is still profit for murder! Blood money at any charge"
>
>Hell, Neal. The anitbotics cost more than ten dollars. Get a grip.
>
>
>I tell you what. The next time I see a woman who's having an aboriton
>because she can't afford another baby, I'll give her your email address.
>You can pay the differernce between the child birth and the abortion, and
>then you can support the kid for 18 years.
>
>Put up or shut the hell up.
Sounds like one heckava deal! I'll take it! Keep my e-mail address
handy! <smiles>
Neal
JBomas
>Bomas says "Ever know
>that part of the problem with the budget stalemate has to do with
>funding abortion? "
>
>Document or retract.
Its all over the news that Clinton vetoed the defense bill because it
would not pay for abortions for service women. Try reading some real
news for a change deary.
>Then he says "Oh we have another abortion worker/promoter admitting his
>involvement? Like I said before.......a very large % of the people
>posting here make a living off of killing babies."
>
>Nobody makes a decent living killing babies. Doctor's make a small amount
>of money performing abortions. Big difference.
Denying you work for the Clinics? That you are an abortion 'activist'?
Activist mostly because you didn't heed your parents and the way they
taught you? Aren't you the 3 times out of wedlock lady? Does that tell
you anything?
>Then, :"
>Everyone can get treated........NO ONE CAN BE TURNED AWAY.....ITS THE LAW!
>So don't give me this uninsured baloney.......they can get it for FREE"
>
>Start showing your sources, or detract your spewing.
Not needed.......just walk in and if you need help they WILL HELP YOU!
>Bomas says "Destruction of a developing baby is not considered healing in
>my book son."
>
>Our books differ.
You lost your book dear when you downgraded your parents and how they
raised you. Someday you will wake up.......'screaming.'
>Then, "Don't you have any compassion for those people?"
>
>Mr Compassion himself.
>
>Oh. Wait. That was sarcastic.
>
>Bomas >>"
>56 year old grandpa and you think I'm a child? It shows volumes about your
>ability to judge."
>
>We aren't judging anyone. YOU are. And if you're old enough to remember
>the horrors of back alley abortions, shame on YOU for your point.
I'm judging and not ashamed to do so. I make judgments all day long.
>"
>~~~ The Screamer ~~~
>
>It's my body. It's my choice. Stay out of my body, and I'll stay out of
>your face.
Due to them calling me the {f} word, I shall not respond to the
following. All are pro-aborts....does that surprise anyone?
***
Adam,L McKnight,Lesley,Louis Cypher,Susan Garvin,mks5879,Damon,
Elaine, keegan jr,Julia,Ray Fischer,Piyada Davis,Kate Heher,
Kevin Kelly,Patrick,**vpagan{Miss Ape}**Charles
Mark A. Cochran
JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:53:08 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->wrote:
->>In article <30f2a804...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
->>JBomas <mel...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
->>->On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:16:47 GMT, coc...@netcom.com (Mark A. Cochran)
->>->wrote:
->>->
->>[Attributions once again screded up by Dumbass]
->>->
->>->>->The fact still remains, even after your attempt at changing the
->>->>->clients/killers go to a abortuary somewhere else in town because they
->>->>->don't own any baby grinders in that particular clinic eh?
->>->>->
->>->>Nope, wrong again. PP is not in the business of telling people what to
->>->>provide you with information about the options, and, if you still want
->>->>the abortion, provide information about available providers. Contrary
->>->>to your lies, they do not tell their clients what to do.
->>->
->>->Why do we need Planned Barrenhood Mark? Why not have this type of
->>->type of service? BECAUSE ABORTION IS PROMOTED IN THESE PLACES with
->>->OUR TAX DOLLARS.
->>
->>We need PP because they provide vital health care services at a
->>fraction of the cost (or free) to people who might not otherwise be
->>able to access these services. Doh.
->>Your screaming aside, abortion is most certainly *not* promoted in PP
->>clinics. It is an option, certainly, but abortion is, by policy, not
->>promoted.
->
->Ever hear of the Hyde Amendment? Ever know that Clinton started
->funding the abortuary clinics from the day he was sworn in. Ever know
->that part of the problem with the budget stalemate has to do with
->funding abortion? Better read some REAL news instead of the sound
->bytes from the 4 major networks. Get real will you Mark? Degrading me
->will not change anything......nor will it make you look very good.
->
Pointing out the idiocy in your articles *is* about as hard as beating
a paraplegic in a footrace, true.
->>->They send them 'next door' to have an abortion so
->>->that they won't look so bad......
->>->
->>Another incredibly stupid claim. Clients desiring abortion are refered
->>to an abortion provider if that particular clinic does not have the
->>facilities to provide that care. Similarly, if that clinic does not
->>have the facilities to provide pap-smears, clients desiring that
->>service will be refered to an outside clinic. Performing abortions
->>doesn't make anybody 'look bad', Bomas. I've recommended abortions,
->>and when the situation warrants, I'll do it again. My reputation is
->>just fine, thanks.
->
->Oh we have another abortion worker/promoter admitting his involvement?
->Like I said before.......a very large % of the people posting here
->make a living off of killing babies.
->
Wrong yet again, Bomas. I make my living saving them; some cannot be
saved. In the past, I've posted case histories of abortions (lateterm,
even) in which I have been involved. Not a *single* pro-lifer has ever
given a good reason why those pregnancies should have been continued.
Care to take a shot at it?
->>->>->>->>Further, it is a matter of public record that by far the majority of
->>->>->>->>PP visits are for contraceptives, pap smears, or other non-abortion
->>->>->>->>related services. Too, most of the *pregnancies* which PP centers see
->>->>->>->>do not end in abortion. Your claims, in short, are a load of dingos
->>->>->>->>dung.
->>->>->>->
->>->>->>->Then why in the heck don't we close them up? Each person can go to
->>->>->>->his/her own doctor.......a good way to cut some fat off the budget eh?
->>->>->>
->>->>->>Ah! So in your fantasy world, everybody *has* their own doctor?
->>->>->>Welcome to Earth, where that is not always true.
->>->>->
->>->>->Why not Mark? Why do they need to go to a 'cover up' murder joint to
->>->>->have their needs met. Don't you want women to have a respectable place
->>->>->to go? You don't go to some quack to have your plumbing checked do
->>->>->you? Why can't we recommend the same quality for a woman?
->>->>
->>->>Because not all conditions *need* a physician, obviously. It's called
->>->>economy, Bomas. Care that can be provideed by non-physician
->>->>practitioners *should* be so provided. It keeps the cost of medical
->>->>care down, and frees up the physician from trivial problems like a
->>->>sore throat, allowing them to concentrate on those problems which *do*
->>->>require their particular training.
->>->
->>->Why the government tho Mark?
->>
->>Because many people (14 million, last time I checked) are inadequatly
->>insured, or uninsured, and cannot afford private health care. These
->>people deserve care, and that means govt subsidies.
->
->Everyone can get treated........NO ONE CAN BE TURNED AWAY.....ITS THE
->LAW! So don't give me this uninsured baloney.......they can get it for
->FREE.
How ignorant can you possibly be? Nothing is free, Bomas. One way or
the other, the hospital, the physicians, and everybody else involved
has got to be paid. And in point of fact, you are wrong yet again.
Hospitals *can* refuse to treat; some private facilities do so on a
regular basis. Refusing to provide indigent care means you cannot
apply for medicare payment, but that's not a concern to some
institutions. I do not personally base treatment decisions on the
ability to pay, but that's my choice.
The fact remains that, once again, you don't know what you're talking
about.
-> The failure of the Government Healthcare Plan lies in the lap of
->the liberal witch in the White House.
->
You know, no matter what your politics, the president and his wife
deserve a certain respect for their office.
->>->Shouldn't the government stay with
->>->healing people not killing babies with our tax dollars when so many
->>->are against this.
->>
->>Nonsensical babble, based on faulty assumptions.
->>Abortions *do* heal, Dumbass^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBomas.
->
->Destruction of a developing baby is not considered healing in my book
->son.
->
I am not your son; if I were, I'd change my name.
Fortunately, nobody has to give a damn what 'your book' has to say on
the subject. You don't get to make decisions for anybody but yourself.
->>->That is why we all will vote Republican again this
->>->fall.
->>
->>Uh huh. How many personalities do you have, and how many of them are
->>old enough to vote?
->
->You would be surprised if you ever found out Bud.
->
Nah, I've seen people with MPD before, so I doubt it'd be too big a
suprise. Seek help, Sybil.
->>->They do not waste money on killing babies.
->>
->>Neither do Democrats. Abortion doesn't kill babies.
->
->They closed the government for 3 weeks and one of the reasons is that
->the liberal damnocrats want abortion funding.
->
Good; I think medical care should be provided to all, regardless of
their ability to pay. That means medical care must needs be funded by
the govt.
->>->>->All the
->>->>->women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
->>->>->women..........
->>->>
->>->>I nominate this for most blatantly misogynistic comment of the year.
->>->>You are a disgusting pig, Bomas.
->>->
->>->Thank you.......this is a compliment considering the source.
->>->
->>Racists don't think there's anything wrong with *their* bigotry
->>either.
->
->Duh.
->
So are you a racist as well as a misogynist?
->>->>->isn't that so with the women in your world?
->>->>->
->>->>No, in my world, women are capable, competent people who are well able
->>->>to take care of themselves.
->>->>
->>I take it from you lack of comment that you are not capable of dealing
->>with capable, competent women?
->>
Still don't know how to deal with capable, competent women, eh?
->>->>->>->You lie too don't you?
->>->>->>
->>->>->>No, I do not.
->>->>->>
->>->>->>->Did you know that you can go to hell for lying
->>->>->>->also?
->>->>->>No, I know no such thing. Hell is merely a figment of the deranged
->>->>->>mind of one who accepts the mythology espoused by the cults of
->>->>->>christianity.
->>->>->
->>->>->No comment except to say that the Bible talks about "blinding" those
->>->>->that are not chosen to be saved.
->>->>->
->>->>Yes yes, and the Greeks were equally certain that *their* mythology
->>->>was the final word in Truth. Babble on, Bomas.
->>->
->>->That is what it is to you because your 'eyes are still closed'.
->>->
->>Were that true, I'd not be seeing your tripe on my screen. My eyes are
->>fine; so is my brain. You've allowed yoruself to be brainwashed. That
->>doesn't concern me in the least, since I don't particularly care about
->>your delusions, but when you try to impose your mythology on others,
->>I'll object loudly.
->
->Why would you do that......many people are helped by some form of
->belief. Don't you have any compassion for those people?
->
Sure, the same sort of compassion that I feel for those who need
physical crutches.
->>->>->>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
->>->>->>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
->>->>->>->readership here to be? Fools?
->>->>->>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
->>->>->>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
->>->>->>institution.
->>->>->
->>->>->Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
->>->>->when they are stuck.
->>->>->
->>->>Or when we're laughing at some idiot.
->>->
->>->You are still responding.......why?
->>
->>Because I'm finding it amusing to watch you squirm, child. Laughter is
->>good for the heart, and reading you is doing wonders fro my cardiac
->>function.
->
->56 year old grandpa and you think I'm a child? It shows volumes about
->your ability to judge.
->
Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what your age is; your attitudes are
simple minded, parochial, sexist, bigoted and childish.
--
The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the
`social sciences' is: some do, some don't.
-- Ernest Rutherford
Neal
>In Article <30f17854...@news.iquest.net>, dito...@iquest.net (Neal) wrote:
>>Picture of a woman with a t-shirt | Picture of a baby in
>>that said..... |heaven with a t-shirt that
>> |said.....
>>__________________________________|_____________________________
>> |
>> "I survived many attempts to | "I didn't!"
>> end abortion" |
>> |
>>__________________________________|_____________________________
>
>Picture of a doctor with his head blown off by a shotgun, next to the
>picture of a retired Air Force officer with his head blown off with the same
>shotgum, next to a picture of two women with bullet holes in their bodies,
>next to the picture of another doctor with bullet holes in his head:
>
>"Neither did we."
>
>When the so-called "right to lifers" cease their murders, bombings, arson,
>acid attack, assaults, and batteries, then they might have some credibility.
>When they stop violating the precepts of Christianity while proclaiming that
>they are acting as good Christians, then they might have some credibility.
>
>Until then, they are just a bunch of thugs, and deserve to be treated as
>such.
I see that this individual can't help but love to attack the entire
Christian community as a whole and use Paul Hill as an excuse to
stereotype us all as a gun welding, bomb welding Christians when he
knows that is not entirely true.
There are some that claims themselves to be Christians and yet hurt
ppl when they are truely none of what they claim to be, but a liar and
a hypocrite.
Paul Hill was never a true Christian, even with his warped mind, he
has acted as what a true Christian show never act and neither would
Jesus would have acted like Paul did.
Of course, then again, he just wants Christians to stop protesting on
behalf of the unborn children so he can continue to enjoy supporting
the killing of the unborn w/o feeling some sort of guilt. We're like
his conscience that is reminding him of the difference betwen right
and wrong.
Mark A. Cochran
->In article <cochranD...@netcom.com>, coc...@netcom.com says...
->>
[Attributions screwed up by gaffney]
->>->Someone who gets pregnant isn't
->>->some sort of "victim", who is entitled to murder a
->>->helpless child in order to get themselves out of a
->>->bind.
->>
->>This sort of 'logic' is so simpleminded...
->>Someone who gets hurt in a car accident isn't some sort of "victim"
->>who is entitled to medical care to get themselves out of a bind.
->
->Wow. What a leap. From the "life" of an unborn child to the
->"entitlement to medical care." My, my, my.
->
We note that you offer no refutation.
->>Whatever is not nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose is not
->>nailed down.
->> -- Collis P. Huntingdon
->
->and, your cute little quotes: an indication of a pretender to learning.
->
Has anybody ever told you that .sig flames are considered truely
pathetic? And flaming a randomly generated .sig is, if possible, even
more pathetic.
->justaDad.
->(Never forget, it only takes 65% to pass.)
->
Maybe where *you* went to school.
HisScreami
that part of the problem with the budget stalemate has to do with
Document or retract.
Then he says "Oh we have another abortion worker/promoter admitting his
involvement? Like I said before.......a very large % of the people
posting here make a living off of killing babies."
Nobody makes a decent living killing babies. Doctor's make a small amount
of money performing abortions. Big difference.
Then, :"
Everyone can get treated........NO ONE CAN BE TURNED AWAY.....ITS THE LAW!
So don't give me this uninsured baloney.......they can get it for FREE"
Start showing your sources, or detract your spewing.
Bomas says "Destruction of a developing baby is not considered healing in
my book son."
Our books differ.
Then, "Don't you have any compassion for those people?"
Mr Compassion himself.
Oh. Wait. That was sarcastic.
Bomas >>"
56 year old grandpa and you think I'm a child? It shows volumes about your
ability to judge."
We aren't judging anyone. YOU are. And if you're old enough to remember
the horrors of back alley abortions, shame on YOU for your point.
"
Sabot
>
> In Article <30f17854...@news.iquest.net>, dito...@iquest.net (Neal) wrote:
> >that said..... |heaven with a t-shirt that
> > |said.....
> >__________________________________|_____________________________
> > |
> > "I survived many attempts to | "I didn't!"
> > end abortion" |
> > |
> >__________________________________|_____________________________
>
> picture of a retired Air Force officer with his head blown off with the same
> shotgum, next to a picture of two women with bullet holes in their bodies,
> next to the picture of another doctor with bullet holes in his head:
>
You've got pictures????
>
> When the so-called "right to lifers" cease their murders, bombings, arson,
> acid attack, assaults, and batteries, then they might have some credibility.
> When they stop violating the precepts of Christianity while proclaiming that
> they are acting as good Christians, then they might have some credibility.
>
And if I can get them to stop and act like good boys and
girls, you'll make the clinics stop killing all those
babies? Right? We got a deal?
Boy, that was easy....
Sabot
----------------------------
First it's your guns,
then it's your library card.
----------------------------
Patrick L. Humphrey
[to Mark Cochran]
>Oh we have another abortion worker/promoter admitting his involvement?
>Like I said before.......a very large % of the people posting here
>make a living off of killing babies.
Yeah, and you couldn't document it in the least...so it's hardly a surprise
that you'd trot out your lie again and hope no one remembers.
As long as you're running loose, I don't have to do any arguing against
pro-lifers. You provide all the illustrations of the pitfalls of their
position by yourself.
--Patrick L. "so, take a bow" Humphrey
JBomas
wrote:
<Childish drivel snipped:>
>->Oh we have another abortion worker/promoter admitting his involvement?
>->Like I said before.......a very large % of the people posting here
>->make a living off of killing babies.
>->
>Wrong yet again, Bomas. I make my living saving them; some cannot be
>saved. In the past, I've posted case histories of abortions (lateterm,
>even) in which I have been involved. Not a *single* pro-lifer has ever
>given a good reason why those pregnancies should have been continued.
>Care to take a shot at it?
No because we are not talking about some of the exceptions. We are
talking about the millions of healthy babies that are killed.
In Calif buster no one can be denied medical help. Period. Either the
state or government {taxpayers=us} pay. Of course PRIVATE FACILITIES
can refuse........they own their own facilities......not dependent on
the government teat.
>-> The failure of the Government Healthcare Plan lies in the lap of
>->the liberal witch in the White House.
>->
>You know, no matter what your politics, the president and his wife
>deserve a certain respect for their office.
It is a two way street Mark.......if they constantly deceive and lie
like these two jerks do, then they do NOT deserve the respect that the
office deserves.
>->>->Shouldn't the government stay with
>->>->healing people not killing babies with our tax dollars when so many
>->>->are against this.
>->>
>->>Nonsensical babble, based on faulty assumptions.
>->>Abortions *do* heal, Dumbass^H^H^H^H^H^H^HBomas.
>->
>->Destruction of a developing baby is not considered healing in my book
>->son.
>->
>I am not your son; if I were, I'd change my name.
>Fortunately, nobody has to give a damn what 'your book' has to say on
>the subject. You don't get to make decisions for anybody but yourself.
I'll post them here any time tho............not only that it is people
like you that read them. Why?
>->>->That is why we all will vote Republican again this
>->>->fall.
>->>
>->>Uh huh. How many personalities do you have, and how many of them are
>->>old enough to vote?
>->
>->You would be surprised if you ever found out Bud.
>->
>Nah, I've seen people with MPD before, so I doubt it'd be too big a
>suprise. Seek help, Sybil.
>
>->>->They do not waste money on killing babies.
>->>
>->>Neither do Democrats. Abortion doesn't kill babies.
>->
>->They closed the government for 3 weeks and one of the reasons is that
>->the liberal damnocrats want abortion funding.
>->
>Good; I think medical care should be provided to all, regardless of
>their ability to pay. That means medical care must needs be funded by
>the govt.
Thank God for Hillary.......she stopped that nonsense totally. In fact
she stopped any future chance for a feminist to ever come near the
White House again.
I think the government should tax each person $2500 less a year and
require them to buy Health Insurance with it. Just as we require a
drivers license for driving a car so everyone should be required to
buy insurance. Tax the people less and allow them to spend their own
money instead of providing million dollar pension plans for the
politicians such as Schroeder and Foley.
>->>->>->All the
>->>->>->women I know have their own doctors......we men take care of our
>->>->>->women..........
>->>->>
>->>->>I nominate this for most blatantly misogynistic comment of the year.
>->>->>You are a disgusting pig, Bomas.
>->>->
>->>->Thank you.......this is a compliment considering the source.
>->>->
>->>Racists don't think there's anything wrong with *their* bigotry
>->>either.
>->
>->Duh.
>->
>So are you a racist as well as a misogynist?
What the hell does race have to do with the subject anyway?
So you don't have any compassion eh? If people are healed and helped
by believing in a God .........what is that to you? Why do so many
abortionists.........baby killers, dislike religion. Many people are
healed and do kind things because of it. It sure beats gang warfare
and drug addiction wouldn't you say?
>->>->>->>describing the idiocy of their own personal mythoogy system.
>->>->>->>->Murder is bad but lying is not good either. What do you take the
>->>->>->>->readership here to be? Fools?
>->>->>->>I think *most* of them are considerably brighter than you. That's a
>->>->>->>good thing, too, since you seem to be only one step out of an
>->>->>->>institution.
>->>->>->
>->>->>->Liberal jazz..........calling people dumb.........usually they do that
>->>->>->when they are stuck.
>->>->>->
>->>->>Or when we're laughing at some idiot.
>->>->
>->>->You are still responding.......why?
>->>
>->>Because I'm finding it amusing to watch you squirm, child. Laughter is
>->>good for the heart, and reading you is doing wonders fro my cardiac
>->>function.
>->
>->56 year old grandpa and you think I'm a child? It shows volumes about
>->your ability to judge.
>->
>Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what your age is; your attitudes are
>simple minded, parochial, sexist, bigoted and childish.
All of those terms because I think different than you eh?
Well I happen to have raised 5 kids the ole fashion way. We have 12
almost 13 grand-children. I am married 35 years to my sweetheart and
my business career has been blessed from the day I got married. I just
wish people would understand that success and love don't come by
themselves......it is an investment you make into life. The rewards
are tremendous........spiritually and financially.
>The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the
>`social sciences' is: some do, some don't.
> -- Ernest Rutherford
That is correct "Some do and some don't"
Sabot
>
> ste...@best.com (Michelle Anne Steiner) wrote:
>
> >When the so-called "right to lifers" cease their murders, bombings, arson,
> >acid attack, assaults, and batteries, then they might have some credibility.
> >When they stop violating the precepts of Christianity while proclaiming that
> >they are acting as good Christians, then they might have some credibility.
> >
> >such.
> >
> >"Beware the march of ideas." --Michelle Anne Steiner
> >
> >(ste...@best.com) (http://www.best.com/~steiner)
>
> *** Nice... It is amazing how easily you classify ALL prolifers by the
> actions of a very small minority. I am a Christian and do not
> condone the crimes of any of the parties involved. My Christian
> faith teaches that coercion cannot be used to sway another.
> My beliefs are in direct opposition to those who bomb clinics
> or have killed abortion clinic workers.
>
> Your comments that "they" are just a bunch of thugs and your
> generalizations of "so-called 'right-to-lifers'" shows a lack
> of analysis on your part that is all to typical of the proabortion
> stance. You justify your actions by denegrating the actions of
> a few wackos.
>
> 75% of all Americans surveyed have, year after year, said that
> they are antiabortion. You cannot indict an entire country
> based on 2 killings.
>
Lifers need to come to terms with the nature of the battle. This
is a fight about death and it will be fought to the death. There
is no reason to expect fairness, consistency or honor from the
abortiphiles -- they are, after all, baby killers (or at least,
advocates of the practice).
They justify killing 1.5 million babies in the U.S. each year
by appealing to a hand full of hard cases, so it should come
as no surprise to us that they would indict all lifers based
on the crimes of the few. For them, this is standard procedure.
Their claptrap about all lifers being violent is primarily
for media consumption -- it's part of the political front in
this war: Separate a generally pro-life public from pro-life
activists by marginalizing the latter as violent fanatics, and
disspirit the activists by making them feel guilty. Nothing
particularly unique here -- happens in politics and war all
the time. And especially on talk.abortion!
But here's the bottom line. What's ultimately behind the
broad brush attacks these sociopaths make is that they hate
the lifers because the lifers identify with the babies. They're
able to suck the little ones into their killing machines and
never see their small bodies unless driven to by curiosity.
Their murder protocols give them a certain plausible
deniability. But the picketers and the sidewalk counselors are
a constant reminder that their bloody business is not about
helping women exercise their choice or removing an unwanted
blob of tissue but is, instead, about the systematic execution
of innocent human beings.
Their hatred rose to a fever pitch when the rescue movement
began because here were hundreds of people -- whose "humanness"
and "personhood" were not up for debate -- who so identified
with the babies that they would risk arrest by the police or
assault by the goons recruited by the clinics to keep the
machines running.
So now, we have a situation where lifers exercising time-honored
First Amendment rights of picketting and handing out literature
on public sidewalks are subjected to draconian punishments
that others are not subjected to. But then, the lifers identify
with the babies and since they have cast their lot with those
who have no rights, their rights are disposable as well.
Lifers -- they hate you because you love their victims. The
more resolute you are in defense of the unborn, the more vicious
and slanderous they will become because your choice to stand-in
for their victims -- to be living memorials to those that the
abortinazis have flushed down the toilet -- reminds them of their
guilt. They know how thin is the facade that hides their crimes.
They know that if the public ever throws off its willingly
ignorance about what has been going on for the last 23 years
in its name, there will be hell to pay.
So, it's not going to get easier. The baby killers are not
going to get nicer, fairer or more reasonable -- particularly
if lifers refuse to back away from their identification with
the unborn. As Joshua said, "Be strong and very courageous!"
"If you dip into any [culture] at a given
point in its history, you will always find
that there was a time before that point when
there was more elbow room and contrasts
weren't quite so sharp; and that there's going
to be a time after that point when there is
even less room for indecision and choices are
even more momentous. Good is always getting
better and bad is always getting worse: the
possibilities of even apparant neutrality are
always diminishing. The whole thing is sorting
itself out all the time, coming to a point,
getting sharper and harder."
-- C.S. Lewis, *That Hideous Strength*
Susan Garvin
In article <4d2bjt$t...@falcon.ns.net>, Sabot <gil...@ns.net> wrote:
[everything else deleted - there was so much hatred here that
even the OR-CA buddies of the shoe might be taken aback]
#They justify killing 1.5 million babies in the U.S. each year
#by appealing to a hand full of hard cases, so it should come
#as no surprise to us that they would indict all lifers based
#on the crimes of the few. For them, this is standard procedure.
The shoe went on to generalize about those he hates most.
I guess I should have said dishonesty, ignorance,
hypocrisy and hate.
Since he's reverted to his anti-Semitic attacks again, I
guess it's time to plonk him again. (Hey, he made it
10 days without appealing to revisionism. That may
be a record for him.)
Susan
HisScreami
survive by
>freewill donations, not tax money. Got a problem w/ that?"
NOW is a non-profit organization, as is NARAL. As are 4 of the abortion
clinics I've worked in.
Sabot
Dishonesty, ignorance, hypocricy, hate and anti-Semitic
attacks... So, is your random slander generator stuck on
automatic or have you gone congenital-Hillary on us?
Which will it be? Pistols or sabers at sunrise? Or perhaps
you would prefer to arm yourself with the evidence instead...
C.J.Dean
>Lifers need to come to terms with the nature of the battle. This
>is a fight about death and it will be fought to the death. There
>is no reason to expect fairness, consistency or honor from the
>abortiphiles -- they are, after all, baby killers (or at least,
>advocates of the practice).
>They justify killing 1.5 million babies in the U.S. each year
>by appealing to a hand full of hard cases, so it should come
>as no surprise to us that they would indict all lifers based
>on the crimes of the few. For them, this is standard procedure.
>Their claptrap about all lifers being violent is primarily
>for media consumption --
Nope, it's a fact. The media hasn't "made up" the murders committed by
pro-lifers - they actually happened.
it's part of the political front in
>this war:
Only you call it a war. Therefore you must support the violence.
Separate a generally pro-life public from pro-life
>activists by marginalizing the latter as violent fanatics, and
>disspirit the activists by making them feel guilty. Nothing
>particularly unique here -- happens in politics and war all
>the time. And especially on talk.abortion!
>But here's the bottom line. What's ultimately behind the
>broad brush attacks these sociopaths make is that they hate
>the lifers because the lifers identify with the babies. They're
>able to suck the little ones into their killing machines and
>never see their small bodies unless driven to by curiosity.
>Their murder protocols give them a certain plausible
>deniability. But the picketers and the sidewalk counselors are
>a constant reminder that their bloody business is not about
>helping women exercise their choice or removing an unwanted
>blob of tissue but is, instead, about the systematic execution
>of innocent human beings.
"Picketers"? "Sidewalk counsellors"? How about goons with guns and bombs?
>Their hatred rose to a fever pitch when the rescue movement
>began because here were hundreds of people -- whose "humanness"
>and "personhood" were not up for debate -- who so identified
>with the babies that they would risk arrest by the police or
>assault by the goons recruited by the clinics to keep the
>machines running.
The police are upholding the law. The clinic "goons" are there to protect the
incoming women and doctors from your "soldiers".
>So now, we have a situation where lifers exercising time-honored
>First Amendment rights of picketting and handing out literature
>on public sidewalks are subjected to draconian punishments
>that others are not subjected to. But then, the lifers identify
>with the babies and since they have cast their lot with those
>who have no rights, their rights are disposable as well.
Yawn.
>Lifers -- they hate you because you love their victims. The
>more resolute you are in defense of the unborn, the more vicious
>and slanderous they will become because your choice to stand-in
>for their victims -- to be living memorials to those that the
>abortinazis have flushed down the toilet -- reminds them of their
>guilt. They know how thin is the facade that hides their crimes.
>They know that if the public ever throws off its willingly
>ignorance about what has been going on for the last 23 years
>in its name, there will be hell to pay.
Er, I don't think anyone's actually ignorant of what an abortion is.
>So, it's not going to get easier. The baby killers are not
>going to get nicer, fairer or more reasonable -- particularly
>if lifers refuse to back away from their identification with
>the unborn. As Joshua said, "Be strong and very courageous!"
<Quote snipped out of boredom>
So you're identifying with born again Catholic C S Lewis? How nice. The fact
is that your picketers and sidewalk counsellors are ugly thugs who scream
abuse and hatred at anyone entering these clinics, who throw fire bombs, carry
guns, and ain't afraid to use them to murder doctors and support workers. How
can anyone supporting the right to life support these murders? It's a sure
sign that you're losing your "war" that you and your ilk descend to this kind
of behaviour.
Cj