Roofing Paper as Weed Barrier ?

[Magnusfarce]

Is there any reason not to use roofing (tar) paper under pavers to prevent
weed growth? Either way, how long would this be expected to last?

- Magnusfarce

[Roger]

> Is there any reason not to use roofing (tar) paper under pavers to prevent
> weed growth? Either way, how long would this be expected to last?

Landscaping cloth works better - get the pro grade, say at home depot. I
believe it is made of glass fiber felt, which lasts a very long time, yet
allows necessary drainage, which tarpaper does not, and will make the pavers
mossy, sooner. BTW I've seen bug/rodent holes on tarpaper that lays on the
ground.

[Joseph Meehan]

It is of little or no value and may trap water that you want to filter
through.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

[m Ransley]

Weeds will grow above the paper, water will be trapped, Use roundup.

[willshak]

On 11/20/2004 1:19 AM US(ET), Magnusfarce took fingers to keys, and
typed the following:

>Is there any reason not to use roofing (tar) paper under pavers to prevent
>weed growth? Either way, how long would this be expected to last?
>
> - Magnusfarce
>

If the pavers were laid down correctly, there is crushed stone, sand, or
other inorganic material, underneath for at least a few inches, and
possibly up to a foot or more, if done professionally.
Grass and weeds will not grow in this inorganic material, and the pavers
provide protection from light and air borne organic material, both of
which are required for plant growth.
Where the weeds start to grow, is in the sand between the pavers, and
they start to grow from the top. That is because, over time, organic
material, which will support growth, gets into the sand, and wind or
water borne seeds start to grow in this organic material. It seems that
a microscopic piece of organic material is enough to support the
germination of a seed (except where you want seeds to grow, like your
lawn, unless you apply lots of extra organic material and tend to it
regularly).
If you pull out the newly started weeds or grass between the stones, you
will see that the roots are only an inch or so deep. They did not start
growing from beneath the pavers, so the addition of any roofing
material, plastic, or anything else under the pavers will not prevent
wind borne seeds from growing between the pavers.

[Harry K]

ran...@webtv.net (m Ransley) wrote in message news:<13812-41...@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net>...

> Weeds will grow above the paper, water will be trapped, Use roundup.

Good advice...not. Roundup will not, does not and won't ever stop
weed growth. All it will do is kill what is already growing.

Harry K

[Joseph Meehan]

Yep, Triox would be the better product. Apply it once or twice a year.

[Dorie]

No one believes in landscaping cloth any more.

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[Dorie]

Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes cancer. Roundup is just a diluted Agent Orange.

[Bob F]

On 7/15/2022 12:31 PM, Dorie wrote:
> Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes cancer.
> Roundup is just a diluted Agent Orange.
>

I bet you cannot document that claim.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 7/15/2022 3:31 PM, Dorie wrote:
> Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes cancer.
> Roundup is just a diluted Agent Orange.
>

Saw on the news that they tested people's urine and 80% have traces of
Roundup

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/oncology/cancer-causing-herbicide-found-in-80-of-us-urine-samples.html

[Scott Lurndal]

Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> writes:
>On 7/15/2022 3:31 PM, Dorie wrote:
>> Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes cancer.
>> Roundup is just a diluted Agent Orange.
>>
>
>Saw on the news that they tested people's urine and 80% have traces of
>Roundup

Well, they have traces of the chemical glyphosphate, which, since
Monsanto's patent expired, is used by a number of brands of weed killer;
not just roundup.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

[bud--]

On 7/15/2022 3:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/15/2022 3:31 PM, Dorie wrote:
>> Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes
>> cancer.

The main source of the cancer claim seems to be the IARC.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Agency_for_Research_on_Cancer>
"Subsequently, many national regulatory authorities underwent a
reevaluation of the risk posed by the exposure to glyphosate. Regulators
in Europe (ECHA, EFSA), Canada, Japan and New Zealand reported that the
glyphosate was unlikely to pose any carcinogenic risk to humans."

<https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/150616/drinking-very-hot-coffee-can-cause-cancer-who-scientists.html>
The IARC also said drinking hot coffee can cause cancer.

The alleged cancer is a fairly common one.
If you get cancer it must be someone's fault - doesn't it?

>> Roundup is just a diluted Agent Orange.

Nonsense.
Agent Orange is 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T. The problem with Agent Orange is
it is contaminated with dioxin.
Roundup is completely different.


Just your average homemoanershub post.

>
> Saw on the news that they tested people's urine and 80% have traces of
> Roundup
>
> https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/oncology/cancer-causing-herbicide-found-in-80-of-us-urine-samples.html
>

A twitter tweet with no link to the original study.
Includes a quote from the Environmental Working Group.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Working_Group>
"The accuracy of EWG reports and statements have been criticized, as has
its funding by the organic food industry. Its warnings have been labeled
'alarmist', 'scaremongering' and 'misleading'."

I suspect the quote at the end was added after the original tweet. The
quote provides significance missing in the rest of the tweet.

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I don't know if glyphosate causes cancer. I am certainly not convinced.
Should be lots of cancer in agriculture where massive amounts of
glyphosate are used.

[trader_4]

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:32:01 AM UTC-4, bud-- wrote:
> On 7/15/2022 3:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/15/2022 3:31 PM, Dorie wrote:
> >> Plenty of law suits now against the RoundUp company as it causes
> >> cancer.
> The main source of the cancer claim seems to be the IARC.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Agency_for_Research_on_Cancer>
> "Subsequently, many national regulatory authorities underwent a
> reevaluation of the risk posed by the exposure to glyphosate. Regulators
> in Europe (ECHA, EFSA), Canada, Japan and New Zealand reported that the
> glyphosate was unlikely to pose any carcinogenic risk to humans."
>
> <https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/150616/drinking-very-hot-coffee-can-cause-cancer-who-scientists.html>
> The IARC also said drinking hot coffee can cause cancer.
>
> The alleged cancer is a fairly common one.
> If you get cancer it must be someone's fault - doesn't it?

The juries that came up with the couple of huge awards that started this
clearly ignored all the studies that showed no linkage to cancer and accepted
the few that suggested there might be a linkage. There was one study that
followed farmers and their families in a couple of states for decades. Those
farmers used not only glyphosate but also all kinds of potentially toxic farm
chemicals. They had a lower cancer rate than the general population, including
the lymphoma that glyphosate allegedly causes. There was only one cancer where
the rate was higher, a rare brain cancer and there there were like 3 cases where
it's likely just a statistical fluke because of the small number. So if glyphosate
is causing cancer, why didn't it show up there?

The school janitor that won the case in California, he testified that he used
Roundup to kill weeds around the school and that he was frequently covered
with Roundup. I use it around my house frequently, I've used a two gallon sprayer
and a 3 gallon backpack type. I've never been covered
with it. And if that was part of using it, then you'd have to be a moron to not
put on a tyvek suit after having it happen the first couple times. In short, he sounds
like a liar to me. And the juries just see some poor dying schmuck and hand out
what they think is free money, to help them, without regard to the facts.

[Dean Hoffman]

Roundup was a big improvement over other herbicides like 2-4D. It was especially so after Roundup Ready crops were available. Farmers used to cultivate their crops two, maybe three times after they came up. Now they plant and spray. I don't see many cultivating anymore. Less fuel being burned so less air pollution. Minimum and no till crops are a realistic option now. That leads to less soil erosion.
This is an example of a modern sprayer. It monitors sprayer speed and automatically adjusts the application rate.
<https://www.etsprayers.com/self-propelled-sprayer/as650-small-650-gal/> Farmers would spray long ago but with their field tractors with not much clearance. They'd have to estimate the tractor speed and try to keep sprayer pressure in a range to apply the correct amount.
There's an organic farm about a mile from me. It's a real mess. The weeds compete with the crops for nutrients and water.
These improvements came over time like the improvements in that show Connections. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(British_documentary)>

[Bob F]

If they spray Roundup on a crop, I do not want anything from that crop
in my food. It can screw up you gut biome in risking both cancer and
severe digestion problems.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.556729/full

[Clare Snyder]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 22:05:58 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Far from "Diluted agent orange" - which is a mix of 2-4-D and 2-4-5-T.
Properly used Glysophate is relatively benign in comparison -
When used "as intended" it is "relatively safe". You know water kills
a LOT more people every year than the most dangerous man-made chemical
- even in it's purest form.