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JFK Assassination-Related Quotes (Common Sense Included For Free)

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David Von Pein

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A SERIES OF QUOTES PERTAINING TO THE NOVEMBER 22, 1963, ASSASSINATION
OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY BEGINS HERE:

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"Not ONE SPECK of any bullets, bullet fragments, or bullet
shells OTHER THAN THOSE CONCLUSIVELY FROM OR CONSISTENT WITH LEE
HARVEY OSWALD'S MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE were discovered anywhere in
Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the Texas School Book Depository,
Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.

"This fact, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates
to overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to three gunmen and
4 to 10 shots fired in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd, 1963.

"HOW could every single scrap of ballistics evidence be
completely eradicated from the two (or more) non-Oswald weapons almost
immediately after the event? Couldn't have been accomplished by even
Kreskin!" -- David Von Pein; July 2003

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David Von Pein

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"The Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists have
succeeded in transforming a case very simple and obvious at its core--
Oswald killed Kennedy and acted alone--into its present form of the
most complex murder case, by far, in world history.

"Refusing to accept the plain truth, and dedicating their
existence for over forty years to convincing the American public of
the truth of their own charges, the critics have journeyed to the
outer margins of their imaginations. Along the way, they have split
hairs and then proceeded to split the split hairs, drawn far-fetched
and wholly unreasonable inferences from known facts, and literally
invented bogus facts from the grist of rumor and speculation.

"With over 18,000 pages of small print in the 27 Warren
Commission volumes alone, and many millions of pages of FBI and CIA
documents, any researcher worth his salt can find a sentence here or
there to support any ludicrous conspiracy theory he might have. And
that, of course, is precisely what the conspiracy community has done."
-- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Page xxvi; "Reclaiming History: The
Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy" (c.2007)

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showpost.php?p=3200858

www.ReclaimingHistory.com

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 2:02:42 AM10/7/07
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"To kooks, all the Dallas Police are suspects in the conspiracy
also. The world vs. the patsy." -- Bud; April 27, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 2:04:09 AM10/7/07
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"Only a kook would use the time estimates to attempt to debunk
the KNOWN FACT (by way of OTHER things) that Lee Harvey Oswald killed
J.D. Tippit. But I suppose many of the conspiracy-hungry people of the
world figure it's their duty to be kooks and ignore the overriding
"Oswald's Guilty" evidence." -- David Von Pein; August 15, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 2:06:49 AM10/7/07
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"Not the smallest speck of evidence has ever surfaced that any
of the conspiracy community's favorite groups (CIA, mob, etc.) was
involved, in any way, in the assassination. Not only the Warren
Commission, but the HSCA came to the same conclusion.

"But conspiracy theorists, as suspicious as a cat in a new home,
find occurrences and events everywhere that feed their suspicions and
their already strong predilection to believe that the official version
is wrong." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page xlii; "Reclaiming History" (c.
2007)

David Von Pein

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"You {a CT-Kook} think that one piece outweighs all the other
evidence. The WC didn't. Their opinion mattered, as they were tapped
to investigate this matter. The opinions of kooks are immaterial." --
Bud; October 27, 2005

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 2:14:03 AM10/7/07
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"Most of Oswald's lies within his large pack of lies only
surfaced when the questions got close to the topic of his MC rifle and
how he obtained it (or anything about Oswald's precise whereabouts at
12:30 PM and approx. 1:14 PM on November 22nd).

"Other peripheral topics, like lawyers, didn't require any bald-
faced falsehoods from Oswald's mouth. Why would they? But when it came
down to the Brass Tacks of the events of 11/22/63, Oswald was a
literal 'Lying Machine'.....

The rifle.
The two murders.
Alek Hidell.
Having lunch with "Junior".
The backyard photos.
"I didn't shoot anybody, no sir."
"I was just going to the picture show." (Paraphrased.)
"Bill Shelley said to go home." (Paraphrased.)

And gobs more." -- David Von Pein; September 16, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 2:27:14 AM10/7/07
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"Several factors make it clear that Kennedy and Connally WERE
struck by the same bullet. There's absolutely no evidence of the
existence of any separate bullet hitting Connally." -- Vincent
Bugliosi; 1986

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 3:15:46 AM10/7/07
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"Would it matter to kooks if the deformation of {the} bullet in
the test {performed in the 2004 TV Special, "JFK: Beyond The Magic
Bullet"} looked exactly like CE399? They'd find some reason to
disregard it. The people conducting the tests did a fair job of
replicating the wounds, though.

"Perhaps you can give a better explanation for them, maybe tell
what the bullet that struck Connally hit that caused it to enter his
back sideways if it didn't hit Kennedy first.

"Even when it is painstakingly shown how this thing happened,
you kooks reject it, opting instead to cling to this fantasy you've
nourished." -- Bud; October 21, 2005

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 5:38:07 PM10/7/07
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"And the SBT, in addition to being grounded in the known
evidence surrounding the case, is also based on a whole lot of
regular, ordinary common sense as well. No "Anti-SBT" scenario has
ever come close to matching the Warren Commission's Single-Bullet
Conclusion in the "Evidence" department. Nor has any alternate theory
come close to equalling the SBT in the "Reasonable", "Workable",
"Believable", and "Common Sense" categories as well.

"The Single-Bullet Theory FITS. The Single-Bullet Theory WORKS.
The Single-Bullet Theory is RIGHT." -- David Von Pein; March 2007

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David Von Pein

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"It's a straight line....it {the Single-Bullet Theory} is the
only way it COULD have happened." -- Dale K. Myers; 2004

www.jfkfiles.com

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David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 5:43:20 PM10/7/07
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"You call it the theory; I call it the conclusion; it was a
theory until we found the facts; that's why I refer to it as the
Single-Bullet Conclusion." -- Arlen Specter; 1965

David Von Pein

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"While one of the pieces of physical evidence could conceivably
have been faked by an expert, there is no possibility that an expert,
or team of super-experts, could have fabricated the perfectly
coordinated whole.

"This brings to mind the recurrent theme in most conspiracy
books. {I.E.:} All the officials alternate between the role of
"Keystone Kops", with the inability to recognize the implications of
the most elementary evidence, and "Evil Geniuses", with superhuman
abilities to fake physical evidence that is in complete agreement with
all the other faked evidence." -- Larry M. Sturdivan; Page 246 of "The
JFK Myths" (c.2005)

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David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 5:47:37 PM10/7/07
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"This bullet {a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano missile like CE399} can
penetrate four feet of solid wood or three pine telephone poles side
by side and come out looking completely undeformed.

"On the other hand, if it is fired into the thick bone of the
back of a human skull, the jacket and core of the bullet will separate
{see top link below for verifiable proof of this}, releasing a myriad
of additional fragments of many different sizes." -- Dr. John K.
Lattimer; Page 277 of "Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic
Comparisons Of Their Assassinations" (c.1980)

http://i1.tinypic.com/44t3b0n.jpg

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David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 5:52:45 PM10/7/07
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"The conspiracy theorists have converted Katzenbach's and
Warren's desire to squelch RUMORS that had no basis in fact into
Katzenbach's and Warren's desire to suppress the FACTS of the
assassination.

"But how could Katzenbach and Warren have known way back then
that they had to spell out that ONLY false rumors, rumors without a
stitch of evidence to support them, had to be squelched for the
benefit of the American public?

"How could they have known back then that there would actually
be people like Mark Lane who would accuse men like Warren, Gerald
Ford, John Cooper, and so on...of getting in a room and all deciding
to deliberately suppress, or not even look for, evidence of a
conspiracy to murder the president...or that there would be
intelligent, rational, and sensible people of the considerable stature
of Michael Beschloss and Evan Thomas who would decide to give their
good minds a rest and actually buy into this nonsense?" -- Vincent
Bugliosi; Pages 367-368 of "Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 5:55:53 PM10/7/07
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"When kooks look at the evidence, anything involving Oz's
culpability is "almost, but not quite". He can almost make this shot,
but not quite. He can almost make it downstairs from the 6th floor in
time to encounter Baker, but not quite. He can almost make it to 10th
& Patton from the boardinghouse in time to shoot Tippit, but not
quite. So close, but yet so far, as kooks judge things." -- Bud; June
18, 2006

David Von Pein

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"After assessing the facts in the Tippit case, any person who
can state the blatant falsehood that the evidence surrounding Oswald's
guilt in the Tippit crime is weak or inconclusive (as many CTers often
do claim) is a person who obviously WANTS to have Oswald innocent of
killing Officer J.D. Tippit (no matter how much evidence exists to say
he was guilty)." -- David Von Pein; April 7, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 6:02:14 PM10/7/07
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"With respect to the second shot fired in Dealey Plaza, the
"single-bullet THEORY" is an obvious misnomer. Though in its incipient
stages it was but a theory, the indisputable evidence is that it is
now a proven FACT, a wholly supported conclusion. .... And no sensible
mind that is also informed can plausibly make the case that the bullet
that struck President Kennedy in the upper right part of his back did
not go on to hit Governor Connally." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages
489-490 of "Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

David Von Pein

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"Correcting kooks is a full time job that not many are willing
to take on. I'm not, that's for sure. .... Ultimately, kooks will
believe what they want to believe." -- Bud; January 15, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 6:09:00 PM10/7/07
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"Question --- How many brain-dead plotters does it take to rub
out just one simple-minded patsy before the bastard can talk?? Answer
--- A good-sized number, per the CT-Kooks. {Marrion} Baker failed,
{Gerald} Hill failed, Ruby failed on his first attempt (probably).

"The Patsy Crew finally had to go with Plan 9 From Kooksville,
and kill the bum in the police station on LIVE TELEVISION. THAT did
the cover-up a lot of good, huh?" -- David Von Pein; February 19, 2007

David Von Pein

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Oct 7, 2007, 9:46:58 PM10/7/07
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JOHNNY CARSON -- "Now, you say 'the fact remains' again....as if it IS
a fact. You keep saying 'we know' and 'the fact is'....but that's not
a fact, is it?"

JIM GARRISON -- "Yes."

JOHNNY CARSON -- "What makes it a fact? Because you say so?"

-- Via Johnny Carson's interview with Jim Garrison on "The Tonight
Show" (NBC-TV)(January 31, 1968)

http://www.prouty.org/garrison/carson1.ram

http://www.prouty.org/garrison/carson2.ram

David Von Pein

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JOSEPH BALL -- "Did you say anything to him {Lee Harvey Oswald} about
an attorney the first time you talked to him?"

CAPTAIN J. WILL FRITZ (DPD) -- "Yes, sir; the first time. He asked
about an attorney, and I told him he certainly could have an attorney
any time he wanted it. I told him he could have an attorney any time
he liked, any attorney he wanted. I told him, I said, we will do it.
He said he wanted an attorney in New York. And he gave me his name,
Mr. Abt, and he said that is who he wanted, and I told him he could
have anyone he liked." ....

MR. BALL -- "Was there anything said about calling him on the
telephone?"

CAPT. FRITZ -- "A little bit later."

MR. BALL -- "Not that time?"

CAPT. FRITZ -- "Not that minute. A little bit later, he asked
something else about an attorney and I said, "Did you call an
attorney?" And he said, "You know I can't use the telephone." And I
said, "Yes, you can; anybody can use a telephone." So, I told them to
be sure to let him use a telephone and the next time I talked to him
he thanked me for that, so I presume he called."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm

David Von Pein

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"It's my very firm belief--I'm very, very confident--that no
reasonable, rational person --- and let's underline those words
'reasonable' and 'rational' --- no reasonable, rational person can
possibly read this book {"Reclaiming History"} without being satisfied
beyond all reasonable doubt that Oswald killed Kennedy and acted
alone." -- Vincent Bugliosi; April 30, 2007

www.fora.tv/fora/fora_clip.php?cid=917

David Von Pein

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"We have shown, by carefully-controlled experiments, that a
Mannlicher-Carcano rifle CAN be fired more rapidly and accurately than
the {Warren} Commission believed.

"Now these points strengthen the Warren Report's basic finding.
They make it MORE likely that Oswald shot the President. They
significantly weaken a central contention of the critics....their
contention that Oswald could NOT have done it because he did not have
enough time to fire.

"It is now reasonable to assume that the first shot, fired
through a tree, missed its mark....and that it was this shot that
Governor Connally heard. The Governor has insisted all along that he
was not struck by the first shot. It now appears he was correct. Now
we can answer all our secondary questions ---

"Did Oswald own a rifle? .... He did.

"Did Oswald take a rifle to the Book Depository Building? ....
He did.

"Where was Oswald when the shots were fired? .... In the
building, on the sixth floor.

"Was Oswald's rifle fired from the building? .... It was.

"How many shots were fired? .... Three.

"How fast could Oswald's rifle be fired? .... Fast enough.

"What was the time span of the shots? .... Seven or eight
seconds.

"Did Lee Harvey Oswald shoot President Kennedy? .... CBS News
concludes that he did." -- Walter Cronkite; CBS News; Via the 1967 TV
Special, "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report"

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David Von Pein

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"Any assassins who would have needed only Oswald fingered for
the two murders on 11/22/63 must have all (to a man!) been under the
influence of large quantities of hallucinogenic drugs when they
decided to place a variety of different shooters throughout Dealey
Plaza (and on 10th Street for Tippit's killing), as many CTers
advocate.

"And these powerful drugs they must have been on I guess must
have had a crazy type of "Miracles Are Possible" effect on all of the
shooters and behind-the-scenes schemers -- because only a "miracle"
could have rescued such an inane multi-shooter "Patsy" plan from
certain failure on that 22nd day of November back in '63." -- David

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David Von Pein

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"OLIVER STONE, IN HIS MOVIE "JFK", NEVER SAW FIT TO PRESENT FOR
HIS AUDIENCE'S CONSIDERATION ONE SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT OSWALD
KILLED KENNEDY!

"So a murder case (the Kennedy assassination) where there is an
almost unprecedented amount of evidence of guilt against the killer
(Oswald) is presented to millions of moviegoers as one where there
wasn't one piece of evidence at all.

"There oughta be a law against things like this." -- Vincent
Bugliosi; Page 1386 of "Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

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David Von Pein

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"There's not a thing "dubious" about C2766 (except in a CT-
Kook's mind, of course). The "Mauser" mis-identification was fully
explained by Deputy Boone and others. "Mauser" = A generic-type term
for "bolt-action rifle". And before it was moved, CE139 looked like it
might have been a Mauser to Boone and Weitzman. Big deal. It wasn't.
And no one can deny that C2766, in general terms, and from a distance,
resembles a Mauser.

"There's certainly not a shred of a doubt that Oswald owned
Rifle C2766. Do the kooks think that the virtually-impoverished Oswald
dished up $21.45 for a rifle to give to somebody else? The WC
determined that Oswald DID pay for the rifle.

"Only a goofball who is bent (at all costs) to let Oswald slip
through the smallest of cracks would suggest that C2766 was NOT owned
and possessed by Lee Oswald from March 1963 thru 11/22/63." -- David
Von Pein; August 21, 2006

David Von Pein

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EDDIE BARKER (CBS NEWS) -- "What kind of gun did you think it was?"

SEYMOUR WEITZMAN -- "To my sorrow, I looked at it and it looked like a
Mauser, which I said it was. But I said the wrong one; because just at
a glance, I saw the Mauser action....and, I don't know, it just came
out as words it was a German Mauser. Which it wasn't. It's an Italian
type gun. But from a glance, it's hard to describe; and that's all I
saw, was at a glance. I was mistaken. And it was proven that my
statement was a mistake; but it was an honest mistake."

-- Via the CBS-TV Special, "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren
Report" (June 1967)

David Von Pein

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"Very few people are more critical than I. And I expect
incompetence wherever I turn, always pleasantly surprised to find its
absence. Competence, of course, is all relative, and I find the Warren
Commission operated at an appreciably higher level of competence than
any investigative body I know of.

"It is my firm belief that anyone who feels the Warren
Commission did not do a good job investigating the murder of Kennedy
has never been a part of a murder investigation." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
"Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

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David Von Pein

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"Obsessing about conspiracy, and seeing evidence of conspiracies
everywhere, has become a major part of many people's lives. .... None
of these things have anything to do with whether Oz took his rifle to
work and shot JFK. I could give far more examples of unstable human
beings doing unstable things than you could ever produce examples of
conspiracies." -- Bud; August 23, 2004

David Von Pein

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"Another point re. any miraculous "3 Shots Line Up Perfectly To
Seem Like A SBT" bull that the CTers wish to believe --- I've yet to
hear EVEN ONE CTer explain the likelihood of THREE DIFFERENT GUNMEN
AND THREE SEPARATE BULLETS causing the wounds in JFK & JBC and
miraculously having ALL of these wounds LINE UP to perfection in order
to (apparently, per CTers) "fool" Specter & the WC into just THINKING
that maybe these THREE separate shots by THREE gunmen (2 rear; 1 in
front) were actually caused by just a single LHO missile.

"The odds of the above occurring if three riflemen had performed
this amazing CONNECT-THE-WOUNDS feat is so low as to be totally
dismissed after one second of thought time. ....

"And CTers actually think this THREE GUNMEN & THREE BULLETS
CAUSING A PERFECT "SBT RUSE" makes MORE logical sense than just one
bullet traversing JFK/JBC. Absolutely incredible CT idiocy!" -- David
Von Pein; April 6, 2005

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 3:10:34 AM10/8/07
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"The plain fact is that it is absolutely necessary to the
findings of the Commission to determine whether the same bullet that
pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds.
Otherwise, where did that first bullet go?

"Governor Connally was simply wrong in his testimony, just as
President Johnson was wrong in some of his observations, and just as
almost every witness to a sudden and startling event is incapable of
being completely accurate." -- David Belin; Page 347 of "November 22,
1963: You Are The Jury" (c.1973)

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 3:12:52 AM10/8/07
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"The reader {of pro-conspiracy books} will understand the
difficulty these writers have sidestepped if he or she tries to invent
a story that explains why an INNOCENT Oswald went to Irving for
'curtain rods', left his wedding ring behind the next morning, brought
a package into the Depository, and so on.

"Because the evidence against Oswald is strong, any detailed
reconstruction that argues a frame-up will inevitably sound less
plausible than one that argues his guilt." -- Jean Davison; Page 276
of "Oswald's Game" (c.1983)

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David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 3:16:58 AM10/8/07
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"I'm not a ballistic expert, but I believe if there were shots
that were coming by my right ear, I would hear a different sound. I
heard shots coming from--I wouldn't know which direction to say--but
it was proven from the Texas Book Depository. And they all sounded
alike; there was no different sound at all." -- Abraham Zapruder; June
1967

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 3:24:36 AM10/8/07
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"Are we just left with conjecture to reach a conclusion on the
issue of how Ruby entered the police basement? No, there is evidence,
common sense, and Ruby's knowledge of events that prove he entered
through the Main Street ramp. ....

"The virtual proof that Ruby came down the Main Street ramp is
that within a half hour of his arrest, and right after he was taken
from the basement to the jail on the fifth floor (which was long
BEFORE {DPD officers} Pierce, Putnam, Vaughn, and Maxey had been
interviewed and given their statements), Ruby told Dallas police
detective Barnard Clardy and other detectives that he had entered
through the Main Street ramp and had seen Pierce driving out of the
ramp.

"How could Ruby possibly have known this if he hadn't, in fact,
been at the entrance to the Main Street ramp? I mean, Pierce himself
didn't even receive instructions to drive out of the Main Street ramp
until around 11:15 a.m., just six minutes before Ruby shot Oswald." --
Vincent Bugliosi; Pages 108-109 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)(c.
2007)

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 5:47:25 AM10/8/07
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"Jim {Garrison}, aren't you taking inconsistencies in testimony
during the emotional time, even self-contradictory testimony, from
even sometimes the most truthful of witnesses....and using THAT as
tainting everything else that is very well explained?" -- Johnny
Carson; January 31, 1968

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David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:11:52 AM10/8/07
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"It is my belief....my conviction....no one but Lee was involved
--- period. .... He had problems at home. He had problems on his job.
He was completely frustrated about what was going on around him. This
is not EXCUSING what he did. This is UNDERSTANDING what he did.

"He wanted to be somebody. And this opportunity came about
coincidental. Nothing planned. Nothin' organized. It HAPPENED that
way. It's one of those happenstances of history." -- Robert Oswald
(Brother of Lee Harvey Oswald); 2003

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:13:15 AM10/8/07
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"I have seen too many biological and physical variations occur
in forensic pathology to say that it would have been impossible. I say
that it is quite unlikely; I say that it is difficult for me to
accept....but I would have to admit that it is a possibility that his
{JFK's} body could have moved in that direction {toward the gunman}
after having been struck by a bullet that hit him in the back of the
head." -- Dr. Cyril H. Wecht; 1967

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David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:17:34 AM10/8/07
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"This bullet {a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano missile like CE399} can
penetrate four feet of solid wood or three pine telephone poles side
by side and come out looking completely undeformed.

"On the other hand, if it is fired into the thick bone of the
back of a human skull, the jacket and core of the bullet will separate
{see the link below for verifiable proof of this}, releasing a myriad
of additional fragments of many different sizes." -- Dr. John K.
Lattimer; Page 277 of "Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic
Comparisons Of Their Assassinations" (c.1980)

http://i1.tinypic.com/44t3b0n.jpg

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:22:38 AM10/8/07
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"CT{ers} pretend they know exactly when {Police Officer Marrion}
Baker confronted Oz. They're crazy that way. The reason nothing like
what you suggest happened could happen is because each person is a
variable whose actions couldn't be predicted. You and the other kooks
plug in things knowing how people reacted. There are only millions of
other ways they could have, ways unknown by any planners.

"If the floor-laying crew goes back to the 6th floor (as Jarman
thought they were going to), any planning of planted evidence on that
floor is out the window (the bag, shells, etc). Who knows who was
going to do what, when, where, most of the people themselves didn't
know. But Oz had the huge advantage of being able to monitor movements
and intentions. Could an outsider?" -- Bud; July 29, 2005

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:25:09 AM10/8/07
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"One of the CT Mottos seems to be -- Why believe anything in the
official report...when you could just as easily believe in crazy stuff
that shall forever remain unprovable (and crazy-sounding)? Good
motto....if you're a kook." -- David Von Pein; August 19, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:26:52 AM10/8/07
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"I can tell the readers of this book that if anyone in the
future maintains to them that Oswald was just a patsy and did not kill
Kennedy, that person is either unaware of the evidence against Oswald
or simply a very silly person. .... Any denial of Oswald's guilt is
not worthy of serious discussion." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 969 of
"Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:29:03 AM10/8/07
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"You know like I told you earlier...he {Lee Harvey Oswald}
didn't take his lunch {on 11/22/63} because I remember right when I
got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was
going to buy his lunch that day." -- Buell Wesley Frazier; Via Warren
Commission Testimony; 1964

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David Von Pein

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Oct 8, 2007, 6:33:02 AM10/8/07
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"If you want to hear {Linnie Mae} Randle's voice saying the bag
was about "two and a half feet" long, get out that 1964 documentary
narrated by Richard Basehart. You know the one, "Four Days in
November" or something like that. That's 30 inches. Try fitting THAT
under your armpit!" -- Jean Davison; August 11, 2005

MOVIE REVIEW -- "FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER":
www.google.com/group/alt.video/msg/5093634b419405d5

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 1:41:23 AM10/9/07
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"{Dr. Vincent} Guinn's data, which is the most representative
set available for WCC/ MC bullets, show that the probability of an
accidental match to one of the two groups of fragments from the
assassination (i.e., a fragment from another shooter) is 2% to 3% at
best, and orders of magnitude less under more-expected circumstances
(i.e., the other shooters using some other kind of lead).

"In other words, Kennedy and Connally were hit by two and only
two bullets, both fired from Oswald's rifle. If there were other
shooters, they missed and left no trace of themselves. The question
about what a given metallurgist thinks about these documented data is
a side issue at best." -- Prof. Kenneth A. Rahn; September 23, 2007

www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/eb37702e231d5365

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Noncons

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 2:55:00 AM10/9/07
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"If CE399 had been plucked from inside Connally's or Kennedy's
body, the CTers would still find some reason to bark "No way; it was
PLANTED there!"." -- David Von Pein; March 4, 2006

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 2:59:53 AM10/9/07
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"Perhaps the clearest visual evidence of the fact that the
entrance wound in the {President's} back was definitely above the exit
wound in the throat appears in one of {the} autopsy photos taken of
the left side of the president's head as he is lying on his back, his
head on a metal headrest.

"Only the wound to the throat is visible, not the wound to his
upper right back. However, it couldn't be clearer from this photo
{linked below} that the wound to the back was definitely ABOVE the
exit wound in the throat." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 424 of
"Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/images/jfk_zeroang.jpg

www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d1d7ea222703d800

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:03:58 AM10/9/07
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"He {Lee Oswald} said he didn't have any kind of a package but
his lunch. He said he had his lunch and that is all he had, and Mr.
{Wesley} Frazier told me that he got out of the car with that package,
he saw him go toward the building with this long package. I asked him
{Oswald}, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long
package?" He said, "No, I didn't carry anything but my lunch"." -- DPD
Captain J. Will Fritz; WC Testimony; 1964

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:05:42 AM10/9/07
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"When the {test} bullet {simulating "CE399" and the "SBT"}
traversed an experimental neck, it was slowed down, tumbled, and did
not shatter the leg bone {of a simulation of John Connally}.

"Since Connally's leg bone was NOT shattered {during the actual
shooting event on 11/22/63}, the bullet that hit him must have hit
something else first, such as Kennedy's neck, to slow it down." -- Dr.
John K. Lattimer; Page 273 of "Kennedy And Lincoln" (c.1980)

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:10:12 AM10/9/07
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"In any political assassination, ladies and gentlemen, almost as
inevitably as death and taxes, there is always a chorus of critics
screaming the word 'conspiracy' before the fatal bullet has even come
to rest.

"The evidence that will be presented at this trial will show
that there is no substance to the persistent charge by these critics
that Lee Harvey Oswald was just a patsy, set up to take the fall by
some elaborate conspiracy.

"We expect the evidence -- ALL of the evidence -- to show that
Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, was responsible for the assassination
of John F. Kennedy." -- Vincent Bugliosi; July 23, 1986; "On Trial:
Lee Harvey Oswald" (Television Docu-Trial)

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David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:18:37 AM10/9/07
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DAN RATHER (CBS NEWS) -- "About the head wound....there was only one?"

DR. JAMES J. HUMES -- "There was only one entrance wound in the head;
yes, sir."

DAN RATHER -- "And that was where?"

DR. HUMES -- "That was posterior, about two-and-a-half centimeters to
the right of the mid-line posteriorly."

DAN RATHER -- "And the exit wound?"

DR. HUMES -- "And the exit wound was a large, irregular wound to the
front and right side of the President's head."

DAN RATHER -- "Now can you be absolutely certain that the wound you
describe as the entry wound was in FACT that?"

DR. HUMES -- "Yes, indeed, we can. Very precisely and
incontrovertibly. The missile traversed the skin and then traversed
the bony skull....and as it passed through the skull it produced a
characteristic coning or bevelling effect on the inner aspect of the
skull. Which is scientific evidence that the wound was made from
behind and passed forward through the President's skull."

DAN RATHER -- "This is very important....you say there's scientific
evidence....is it conclusive scientific evidence?"

DR. HUMES -- "Yes, sir; it is."

DAN RATHER -- "Is there any doubt that the wound at the back of the
President's head was the entry wound?"

DR. HUMES -- "There is absolutely no doubt, sir."

-- Via the CBS-TV Special, "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren
Report" (June 1967)

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:46:44 AM10/9/07
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"Conspiracy Kook Rule #16B applies here, which states -- "When
all else fails, just say something is 'fake' or 'phony' or 'doesn't
look quite right', and the CTer is off the hook".

"As Vince Bugliosi would say -- You can tell when someone has a
very weak physical-evidence case....because they'll start arguing
impossible-to-prove theories re. evidence manipulation or
contamination or cover-up, etc. This invariably occurs when there
simply is nothing else for the defense TO argue.

"Attempts to deflect attention away from the basic core of
ballistics (and other) evidence in the JFK case (which all leads
inexorably to Lee Oswald) by crying "It's All Fake" is a sign of a
patently-weak case with which these kooks try to combat the physical
evidence.

"And, I'm sorry, but the "Nothing Is What It Seems To Be"
argument with respect to virtually everything surrounding the JFK
assassination is about as likely to be true (and provable) as a
blizzard in Phoenix." -- David Von Pein; January 11, 2007

David Von Pein

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Oct 9, 2007, 3:49:37 AM10/9/07
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"True to form, you tried to hide from the person who could best
demolish your fabricated case. .... Once again I challenge you, Mark
Lane, to thirty minutes on film -- that is all I need to demolish your
manufactured case." -- David Belin; From a 12/23/66 letter written by
Belin to M